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Treatment Abuse, Behavior Modification, Thought Reform => The Seed Discussion Forum => Topic started by: justonemore on July 12, 2010, 04:18:00 PM
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Some years ago, i spoke with a clergyman on Fl's west coast. He told me a story. As follows. he said that he's been appointed to a commission by Gov. Reuben Askew to "bust the seed" He said that the commission kept asking the seed to 'open the books'. Thereafter,a group of seventeen young people came forward to state that this clergyman had smoked dope with them, made advances, etc. The same story with minor variation was reported to me by two different teachers of mine, who apparently had had the temerity to protest my incarceration. I recall stories of Ellen Morphonius, recall bomb- threat, recall much more than that. Any one who has information, corroborative or even aneccdotal, please come forward now. J.O.M.
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Am I to uderstand you were in the seed?
Where and when?
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None ya; You have annoyed me and I you. Let's put the axes down for a while and discuss. I'll start by answering your question. Yes I was in the seed, dade County fl, tropical park, late 72- early 73. Your turn, P.M. Me if confidentiality is a factor, but I'll only discuss if conventional courtesies are respected. J.O.M.
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No hard feelings here pal. I've said many times here , I was in the seed st. pete summer '73. Managed to run away as a newcomer living at home. Was on 10-10's for 5 months. Could'nt take it anymore. Never thought much about it and then I found fornits and well......
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To none ya; Gratefully accepted. Now, It's my undersanding that St pete was run slightly differently, than other locations.. some ways better some ways worse.. Either way, a hell of a railroad. Don't know if you recall, but Sen. sam ervin chaired hearings on the seed. Antigen indicates it (or rather Barker was not a big deal, but if he wasn't, the seed was) That cleregyman told me that the children of the prominent were especially targeted, as the seed wanted political influence. And political influence they got. A common practice in tropical park was to haul a kid into an office and have a staff member or a parent hit him. When he hit back, police were called, and an appropriate number of witness would swear the kid attacked. Friendly prosecutors would haul the kid before Judge ellen " Maximum' Morphonius. she would compassionately remand the young miscreant to custody of the seed, til 21.. presto-chango, no more age of majority, no petition for emancipated minor.. almost happened to me, i took the beating instead. (hard to convince a cop you are the attacker when you're bleeding and they're not. Morphonius was years later dumped from the bench.. seems she was taking bribes. My point is that in dade county they (Barker and true-believers), committed many very serious felonies.. that they owned or influenced judges, lawyers, corrections people, cops, teachers, doctors, anyone and every one.
You can't do that without serious juice and serious money.
Antigen maintains, and i disagree, that Barker was no big deal. Lives and careers were destroyed by these folk, and why after all would the Gov. have to appoint a commission to 'bust them', why senate hearings on the subject,why the almost surreal lack of investigative reporting, the lack of documentation. It's there I believe, we just ain't found it yet.
gotta admit, in it's way, the perfect crime.. kidnapping on a grand scale, and because the accused are called 'druggies', they've lost all credibility, testimony is worthless.
In my case, although i had smoked rope many times, i got bored with it and stopped. by the time i went in, i could have passed a drug test. The evidence against me was planted ( yes, i know who, and no, I don't forgive) and later found to be a 'plant by a tox lab. I think it's very wide very deep and very very criminal. Thoughts, anyone?
J.O.M.
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There were always stories about parents being brought in to beat their kids I never saw it myself, and I figured a lot it was hype to scare us. But it is true that they recruted from all white afluent neighborhoods. The only poorer kids there were sent there by the courts.(like me) And still even with all the court ordered kids, there wasn't a single african american (male or female) in the group when I was there.There was one black staff member though. Arthur was a big intimidating (ex?) junkie, who used to stand up little white kids , screaming at them to the point that he spat on them. that if they were to meet on the street, he'd be pimping thier asses for money. Imagine if the roles were reversed the riots it would have caused. Yes the seed was a big deal and the old man ran the show. Still with all his controversy, why can't I find a single artical anywhere that mentions his passing?
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I have seen this time and again here on fornits. I believe Antigens remarks reflect her bitterness towards this Barker fellow and not giving him an inch of credit for anything even down to the small obit. comment shows there was no intention of conveying credible information just an attempt to discredit him.
Many posters here will describe their time in programs by tearing down every aspect of the place from the food, staff, groups, wall paper and the clothes they wore. You rarely even hear them speak about a good friend that they met or a counselor who helped them out. These are red flags that should alert you to the fact you are not getting the facts. These accounts are not intended to convey or share information about their time inside a program but rather intent to hurt the program or industry and it comes across loud and clear.
We would expect a person who had a difficult stay in a program to describe it like this:
The place was like a prison, I met a few friends and the counselors were nice for the most part but there was this one counselor who was downright abusive. I did learn a few things about myself and am grateful for that but overall I think it was a waste of time. I wish I could have spent more time working on my writing instead of the group therapies which were a waste of time. The food was okay, but I would never want to go back.
Someone who is intent on just hurting the program or industry would answer like this:
I was kidnapped and held captive in a Gulag where I was abused 24/7. The place should be shut down. Every program is abusive and performs brainwashing on people. Not one child has ever benefited from a program. If they tell you this then they must be brainwashed.
Just by living life and meeting people we all know it is not our human nature to wake up each morning wanting to go to work to hurt people, beat them up and restrain them or to find enjoyment in other peoples' pain. People like this do exist but they are few and far between so we all know which stories are credible and which are not if by anything their underlying intent/ motive.
Generally (not being specific to people who went to the seed) I don’t particularly blame these people for their slamming of the programs they attended, but I don’t think we can take their account as fact because their intent is not to convey honest and balanced information and their motive prevents them from being fair and open.
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Ya know Whooter I was thinking the same thing, I expected more out of JOM. He usually is lucid when he posts but hey down there in gator land they could be roping again.
Mighty strange shit coming out of him tonight.
Not trying to make enemies, JOM.
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Whooter, I've never had words withn you 'till now. I understand why nobody here much likes you. it's because you are
TOTALLY AND COMPLETELY FULL OF SHIT.
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Oh no! danny b and whooter? Pretty scary tag team. Is it true you guys share a 1 bedroom flat in Key West?
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Whooter, I've never had words withn you 'till now. I understand why nobody here much likes you. it's because you are
TOTALLY AND COMPLETELY FULL OF SHIT.
NO, NO, NO just around the edges. The body is right on target every time.
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Oh no! danny b and whooter? Pretty scary tag team. Is it true you guys share a 1 bedroom flat in Key West?
You should know.....lol.
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None ya... see what happens, Danny B and whooter have nothing to do with the seed, no knowledge, yet they are such manipulative addicts that they compulsively weigh in.. classic manipulation. I'd say it's a guilty dog barking loud. See the attempt to discredit my testimony, see the false piety. Another 'tell' is the speed of response, and the effort to deflect from topic.
Be of good cheer, the more they post, the more they reveal about themselves. People who habitually abuse others are really not as shrewd as they think.
Thoughts, anyone?
P.S. None ya..Yeah, some of it in dade co was simply an intimidation tactic, some of it was real.. actually think I knew 'arthur' think i'd put a bullet in him now. poor kids as far as i knew 'filled the ranks' and maintained the larger social fiction of 'for the children' Get it? it plays well to the public. Please consider what i've said, think, and respond. I think it best to ignore whooter and danny, their agenda is clear and can be of no use.
J.O.M. oh yeah, I was watching to see how fast they'd respond, just to prove a point to myself. J.O.M. ::unhappy:: Aww, he's back ::unhappy::
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None ya... see what happens, Danny B and whooter have nothing to do with the seed, no knowledge, yet they are such manipulative addicts that they compulsively weigh in.. classic manipulation. I'd say it's a guilty dog barking loud. See the attempt to discredit my testimony, see the false piety. Another 'tell' is the speed of response, and the effort to deflect from topic.
Be of good cheer, the more they post, the more they reveal about themselves. People who habitually abuse others are really not as shrewd as they think.
Thoughts, anyone?
P.S. None ya..Yeah, some of it in dade co was simply an intimidation tactic, some of it was real.. actually think I knew 'arthur' think i'd put a bullet in him now. poor kids as far as i knew 'filled the ranks' and maintained the larger social fiction of 'for the children' Get it? it plays well to the public. Please consider what i've said, think, and respond. I think it best to ignore whooter and danny, their agenda is clear and can be of no use.
J.O.M. oh yeah, I was watching to see how fast they'd respond, just to prove a point to myself. J.O.M. ::unhappy:: Aww, he's back ::unhappy::
Now JOM your starting to show those cinks in your armour, as a friend of mine said (DJ), you don't have to be able to engineer a computer to email someone.
So no, I did not go to the Seed, have read about it, talked with folks who went through it (not many folks though) and have a general opinion from being in treatment during the early 70's. So please spare me the mellow dramatics and just stick to the facts, for christ sake.
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Addendum to foregoing; Whooter says those who want to "hurt" the program or industry. WoW! that's a near complete 'hive' identification.
A transfer of identity to the group. Spooky as hell, you ask me.
J.O.M.
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Thanks for quoting me, it would be gratifying, if only it were profitable.
However, "chinks in my armor" is a more or less meaningless phrase, sounds good, means nothing. Further, not to be a kvetch, it's melodramatics, not 'mellow dramatics' it has a specific meaning you see, words have meaning, they represent ideas, and ideas have consequences.
None ya.. You watching this, it's really an excellent example of hive or group think. again, classic pathologic manipulation. Couldn't ask for better from these folk.
J.O.M.
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Thanks for quoting me, it would be gratifying, if only it were profitable.
However, "chinks in my armor" is a more or less meaningless phrase, sounds good, means nothing. Further, not to be a kvetch, it's melodramatics, not 'mellow dramatics' it has a specific meaning you see, words have meaning, they represent ideas, and ideas have consequences.
None ya.. You watching this, it's really an excellent example of hive or group think. again, classic pathologic manipulation. Couldn't ask for better from these folk.
J.O.M.
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Don't correct me, I meant mellow dramatics, you try and come across as Mr. Mellow, "they call me mellow yellow". That is how I think of you.
Ya know my pseudo-intellectual friend, who sits around reading books hoping he can remember what he is going to write, like you really know the history and study of "pathological manipulation", no my friend you are another "classic" phony dude hanging around a web site regurgitating long ago memories you energize with the help of a aphrodisiac.
Please if you want to impress, go figure out how to stop the oil from killing in the gulf, now that would be worth writing about then the shit your writing.
Like I said, chinks in your armour (it is British) don't correct my spelling unless you know the word I'm using, therefore you will not be dumbfounded by the phrase.
You try to sound educated I wonder how much money you spent or brain cells you exhausted, I hope not much.
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Danny B wrote;
So no, I did not go to the Seed, have read about it,
Really where? All I can find are a couple of newspaper clips from back in the day.
http://ficanetwork.net/seed/art-barker- ... reactions/ (http://ficanetwork.net/seed/art-barker-the-seeds-chief-sows-a-mixed-crop-of-people-reactions/)
http://www.thestraights.com/people/medi ... search.htm (http://www.thestraights.com/people/medical-doctors/medical-research.htm)
Nothing in either article is flattering to say the least.
There were rumors of a seed book , but I don't think it ever happened.
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Here is one more for you Danny.
Sill pretty much an indictment
Where did you read anything pro seed? I'd love to see that prapaganda.
http://www.insidersview.info/theseed.htm (http://www.insidersview.info/theseed.htm)
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Here is one more for you Danny.
Sill pretty much an indictment
Where did you read anything pro seed? I'd love to see that prapaganda.
http://www.insidersview.info/theseed.htm (http://www.insidersview.info/theseed.htm)
Who said I read something pro Seed??????
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Danny B wrote;
So no, I did not go to the Seed, have read about it,
Really where? All I can find are a couple of newspaper clips from back in the day.
http://ficanetwork.net/seed/art-barker- ... reactions/ (http://ficanetwork.net/seed/art-barker-the-seeds-chief-sows-a-mixed-crop-of-people-reactions/)
http://www.thestraights.com/people/medi ... search.htm (http://www.thestraights.com/people/medical-doctors/medical-research.htm)
Nothing in either article is flattering to say the least.
There were rumors of a seed book , but I don't think it ever happened.
Govt.....
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Addendum to foregoing; Whooter says those who want to "hurt" the program or industry. WoW! that's a near complete 'hive' identification.
A transfer of identity to the group. Spooky as hell, you ask me.
J.O.M.
I agree, very disquieting. This mentality describes children as "products" with "no rights" and anthropomorphizes corporations and facilities by ascribing feelings to them. It's a twisted paradigm to say the least.
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Just spoke with the law office of deb. goodall, Suggest folks call that office (don't be rude, that gains you nothing), further suggest folks call Miami herald to inquire of morgue re records, unfiled stories, etc. Be relentlessly friendly, and then ask to be referred to investigative reporters, sooner or later, one will be hungry and bored..
On another note.. danny, whooter. crazy-talk, stupid -talk is a form of battery, too, so.....
Chinks in my armour is british? What the hell does that mean? Is british another language, suddenly?( if you talk to people from wales or cornwall or belfast or south alabama, it probably really is) it's just one of the many wacky, wacky, wonderful things you say. i wouldn't call myself 'educated', but you may. as for myself, i'm not sure what 'educated' really means. I know stuff, and can do lots of useful stuff, people like my work, and pay me good money for it, but as to educated? well, just don't know.
I know men who know interesting stuff, and other men who know useful stuff, and I'm inclined more to the useful. It's clear you resent those you consider 'educated'.
think two things.. Everyone Knows Something You Don't. Education is like Conversion, It Takes a Lifetime to Accomplish, And Then, You're Only Half-way There. J.O.M.
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Just spoke with the law office of deb. goodall, Suggest folks call that office (don't be rude, that gains you nothing), further suggest folks call Miami herald to inquire of morgue re records, unfiled stories, etc. Be relentlessly friendly, and then ask to be referred to investigative reporters, sooner or later, one will be hungry and bored..
On another note.. danny, whooter. crazy-talk, stupid -talk is a form of battery, too, so.....
Chinks in my armour is british? What the hell does that mean? Is british another language, suddenly?( if you talk to people from wales or cornwall or belfast or south alabama, it probably really is) it's just one of the many wacky, wacky, wonderful things you say. i wouldn't call myself 'educated', but you may. as for myself, i'm not sure what 'educated' really means. I know stuff, and can do lots of useful stuff, people like my work, and pay me good money for it, but as to educated? well, just don't know.
I know men who know interesting stuff, and other men who know useful stuff, and I'm inclined more to the useful. It's clear you resent those you consider 'educated'.
think two things.. Everyone Knows Something You Don't. Education is like Conversion, It Takes a Lifetime to Accomplish, And Then, You're Only Half-way There. J.O.M.
Thanks for seeing things my way, I accept your apology.
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Some years ago, i spoke with a clergyman on Fl's west coast. He told me a story. As follows. he said that he's been appointed to a commission by Gov. Reuben Askew to "bust the seed" He said that the commission kept asking the seed to 'open the books'. Thereafter,a group of seventeen young people came forward to state that this clergyman had smoked dope with them, made advances, etc. The same story with minor variation was reported to me by two different teachers of mine, who apparently had had the temerity to protest my incarceration. I recall stories of Ellen Morphonius, recall bomb- threat, recall much more than that. Any one who has information, corroborative or even aneccdotal, please come forward now. J.O.M.
From what I gather, there was a real push to beef up so-called stats, e.g., Barker claimed at one point that at least 70% of all adolescents had tried drugs (early 1970s! lol), and that a lot of these kids had gotten the drugs from "trusted adults," e.g., their teachers, clergy, etc. And of course, the dangerous Mary-J was all hopped up to be the penultimate gateway to the hardcore material.
I'm not sure if it was an attempt to aggrandize himself and his own operation, or to create fear in the hearts of parents (the better to manipulate them into placing their kid). But... as time went on, the extreme asseverations became less and less believable. At some point, Barker even made the wild claim that a very large number of teachers (~200?) had been fired due to "testimony" provided by "his kids," and he ... had spoke too soon. Some admin from some school or the Board of Ed eventually went on record that Barker's claim was highly overstated, and that particular sand castle began to crumble. I think it even made the papers that some folk got fingered unfairly or that the alleged testimonies did not hold up under questioning...
Makes ya kinda wonder if these teachers got fingered as "punishment" for not going along with kids' incarcerations whom they knew to be innocent or, at the least, not in any need for this degree of "rehab." Certainly it could have worked as a preemptive, making teachers afraid to speak out knowing what might befall them.
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Ursus,, thanks, very good post.. was unaware of any public claims and threats, but that sheds light. where were those claims made, do you know? is this anecdotal or documented? Two of my teachers told me decades after the fact that their jobs had been openly threatened when they questioned my incarceration, and when i returned to school, there was clearly a climate of fear among teachers re; the seed. also, some of the best teachers left under odd circumstance at that time.... Please say more J.O.M.
Please don't say it in 'british', as that's not a language i know, thanks
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Danny B wrote;
"Thanks for seeing things my way, I accept your apology."
I'm not so sure that's really what happened.
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Danny B wrote;
"Thanks for seeing things my way, I accept your apology."
I'm not so sure that's really what happened.
:rofl: I couldn't have said it better. Actually, I really couldn't have. At all.
None-ya: Master of tact and understatement. Par excellence.
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Ursus,, thanks, very good post.. was unaware of any public claims and threats, but that sheds light. where were those claims made, do you know? is this anecdotal or documented? Two of my teachers told me decades after the fact that their jobs had been openly threatened when they questioned my incarceration, and when i returned to school, there was clearly a climate of fear among teachers re; the seed. also, some of the best teachers left under odd circumstance at that time.... Please say more J.O.M.
Please don't say it in 'british', as that's not a language i know, thanks
"British?" lol...
Interesting info re. your teachers take on the whole shebang. My guess is that they were not exaggerating. I actually have a bunch of old newspaper articles pertinent to the Seed and/or Barker that I was planning to crank out in my ol' particular 'n' pedantic way (ya wouldn't believe how this seems to piss SOME PEOPLE off their rocker), and I do recall this issue being addressed in at least a couple of them... Lemme get my act a lil more organized, and I'll post them, probably in a separate thread as per date. As I recall, this came up in 1972 or 73, but I may be wrong and it's a little later...
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Ursus wrote
"None-ya: Master of tact and understatement. Par excellence."
And I just thought i was being sarcastic.
Now I want barker pics
Does anyone have info (and by anyone I mean Ursus) have a line on an old documentary called Seed of Hope?
Seems I remember an open meeting and there were t v cameras brought in . I don't recall what network.
God i'd love to see that footage.
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Ursus.. thanks again..Some things that puzzle me are the vast gulf that seems to surround the Ervin hearings, why there was no teachers union action re the seed, odd things like that. You seem to be a hell of a researcher, and yeah, I think none ya is funny and sharp, bet he's a hillbilly or a cracker. other things the jackie Gleason/Mob connection, at the time, don't forget the advent of the law enforcement assistance administration. see also the international organization of chiefs of police, glencoe, ga. places to look Just sayin' J.O.M.
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wasn't the old man an extra in some old "b" movies?
Anybody know the names of these cinamatic jems?
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Ursus,, thanks, very good post.. was unaware of any public claims and threats, but that sheds light. where were those claims made, do you know? is this anecdotal or documented? Two of my teachers told me decades after the fact that their jobs had been openly threatened when they questioned my incarceration, and when i returned to school, there was clearly a climate of fear among teachers re; the seed. also, some of the best teachers left under odd circumstance at that time.... Please say more J.O.M.
Please don't say it in 'british', as that's not a language i know, thanks
"British?" lol... (Main Entry: armour chiefly British variant of armor armory)
Interesting info re. your teachers take on the whole shebang. My guess is that they were not exaggerating. I actually have a bunch of old newspaper articles pertinent to the Seed and/or Barker that I was planning to crank out in my ol' particular 'n' pedantic way (ya wouldn't believe how this seems to piss SOME PEOPLE off their rocker), and I do recall this issue being addressed in at least a couple of them... Lemme get my act a lil more organized, and I'll post them, probably in a separate thread as per date. As I recall, this came up in 1972 or 73, but I may be wrong and it's a little later...
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JOM, I didn't mean it that way. Of course the old megalomaniac did a load of damage to a lot of people. Just that, at the end of the day, nobody remembered him. As far as I can tell, there was no obit at all. I suppose that's because whatever dedicated seedlings there may be left didn't want to invite the evil outside world to the funeral. That's just a guess. I've asked a lot of friends and acquaintences over the years if they knew about the Seed. Very few knew anything at all about the history and not one had any idea the place was still operating into the `90's.
So.... Art kicked the bucket, no one gave a damn. Probably very few attended the funeral. I'm sure that's not what he envisioned. But is anyone really surprised?
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Antigen; point taken.. Please don't accuse me of' beating a dead horse'. horses have dignity and worth. However, to return to beating a dead art. Consider if you will ( i sound just like rod serling, don't i ?) I find it very odd that Art died with a considerable fortune, a fortune that we know he made by destroying many lives.An enterprising boy, our art was, yeah ? And there's no public comment.
Of Course I come to this argument with a geographic pre-judice. I see the problem from a Miami perspective, and I have knowledge that perhaps others don't. Just for the hell of it, I know and have worked with Virgilio Gonzales. He's a fine man, and didn't deserve the burns he received over watergate. I knew a man ( didn't like him much) who was almost certainly the miami 'chief of station' at that time. Those are oblique references, but true none-the-less. So, perhaps i incline toward paranoia, but again, it's only paranoia if you're wrong.
I do, of course have a personal investment in finding justice, such as we may.Both stripe and greg have rendered the opinion that financial recompense would be stratospherically difficult. I accept that. HOWEVER ( wow! that's a big however !) This guy, art, this dirty bird, damaged me, damaged people that i love, and those i respected. He didn't do it alone. I guess i'm just sick to death of creeps profiting while others say "take the high road". Me, I want a little blood. I know it's there, i just want to find it.
For a parallel, see the death of Kathy Mcpherson, Clearwater fl, '96. The scientologists got her. I knew her.Took ten years, but there was finally a tepid prosecution. Enough of the cults !
J.O.M.
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Danny. I guess you're real smart. Much smarter than anyone else. Thanks for the dictionary reference (bet it's webster's) But, you see. to say Armour is a "british variant" is to say that 'british' is a dialect, not a language.The ' british use the character 'U' in their spelling because it most closely approximates their speech .
It is helpful, I've found, to think that all language is spoken, that all written language is representational. here's the working model.
If you combine two alphabetic character, you have a 'phoneme', two or more phonemes represent complex or compound concept, Simple concept-_+='Dog' "Duck" "Dock" two phonemes. One concept. Simpler concept.' Ma' or 'Pa' One phoneme, one concept.
It's largely why native american and chinese are such difiicult languages, they are so inflected that representation is near impossible.
Hope this helps! ( or bores the crap out of you so you'll shut up!)
Yup! Still a cracker, still a redneck!J.O.M. ::unhappy::
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Danny. I guess you're real smart. Much smarter than anyone else. Thanks for the dictionary reference (bet it's webster's) But, you see. to say Armour is a "british variant" is to say that 'british' is a dialect, not a language.The ' british use the character 'U' in their spelling because it most closely approximates their speech .
It is helpful, I've found, to think that all language is spoken, that all written language is representational. here's the working model.
If you combine two alphabetic character, you have a 'phoneme', two or more phonemes represent complex or compound concept, Simple concept-_+='Dog' "Duck" "Dock" two phonemes. One concept. Simpler concept.' Ma' or 'Pa' One phoneme, one concept.
It's largely why native american and chinese are such difiicult languages, they are so inflected that representation is near impossible.
Hope this helps! ( or bores the crap out of you so you'll shut up!)
Yup! Still a cracker, still a redneck!J.O.M. ::unhappy::
Why thank you, Anne and yourself are so kind. Must be that Floridian sea air.
Now this was mean, "Hope this helps! ( or bores the crap out of you so you'll shut up!)".
Maybe those chic peas are pestering you.
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Danny. I guess you're real smart. Much smarter than anyone else. Thanks for the dictionary reference (bet it's webster's) But, you see. to say Armour is a "british variant" is to say that 'british' is a dialect, not a language.The ' british use the character 'U' in their spelling because it most closely approximates their speech .
It is helpful, I've found, to think that all language is spoken, that all written language is representational. here's the working model.
If you combine two alphabetic character, you have a 'phoneme', two or more phonemes represent complex or compound concept, Simple concept-_+='Dog' "Duck" "Dock" two phonemes. One concept. Simpler concept.' Ma' or 'Pa' One phoneme, one concept.
It's largely why native american and chinese are such difiicult languages, they are so inflected that representation is near impossible.
Hope this helps! ( or bores the crap out of you so you'll shut up!)
Yup! Still a cracker, still a redneck!J.O.M. ::unhappy::
Why thank you, Anne and yourself are so kind. Must be that Floridian sea air.
Now this was mean, "Hope this helps! ( or bores the crap out of you so you'll shut up!)".
Maybe those chic peas are pestering you.
YOU SUPPLY MUCH HUMOR I AM LAUGHING MY ASS OFF :cheers:
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Danny. I guess you're real smart. Much smarter than anyone else. Thanks for the dictionary reference (bet it's webster's) But, you see. to say Armour is a "british variant" is to say that 'british' is a dialect, not a language.The ' british use the character 'U' in their spelling because it most closely approximates their speech .
It is helpful, I've found, to think that all language is spoken, that all written language is representational. here's the working model.
If you combine two alphabetic character, you have a 'phoneme', two or more phonemes represent complex or compound concept, Simple concept-_+='Dog' "Duck" "Dock" two phonemes. One concept. Simpler concept.' Ma' or 'Pa' One phoneme, one concept.
It's largely why native american and chinese are such difiicult languages, they are so inflected that representation is near impossible.
Hope this helps! ( or bores the crap out of you so you'll shut up!)
Yup! Still a cracker, still a redneck!J.O.M. ::unhappy::
Why thank you, Anne and yourself are so kind. Must be that Floridian sea air.
Now this was mean, "Hope this helps! ( or bores the crap out of you so you'll shut up!)".
Maybe those chic peas are pestering you.
YOU SUPPLY MUCH HUMOR I AM LAUGHING MY ASS OFF :cheers:
Thanks Felice......