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Treatment Abuse, Behavior Modification, Thought Reform => The Troubled Teen Industry => Topic started by: Awake on June 04, 2010, 12:07:38 AM
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What do we call a Program Teen? student? prisoner?...
I keep having this problem with trying to describe the ‘Troubled Teen’ in a program. ‘student’ does not reflect the context of therapy, ‘patient’ is misleading because they are not under the direct care of therapists and they are not free participants with a right to be informed of the process, and ‘detainee’ or ‘prisoner’ does not work because the context that calls it ‘therapy’ denies the aspect of force that is inherent in that identification. So what the hell is it?
It makes sense to me that there be a specific word to define a teen that is held without their free consent within a therapeutic context. The idea that therapeutic terminology can be used without any delineation between someone that is there by force and one there by choice is a massive distortion in my book.
I’d really like to see this become an accepted part of therapeutic terminology because it can clear up a lot of ambiguity in discussing it. So any suggestions?
I’ll give it a shot…. Projectipant
Psychological projection or projection bias (including Freudian Projection) is the unconscious act of denial of a person's own attributes, thoughts, and emotions, which are then ascribed to the outside world, such as to the weather, the government, a tool, or to other people. Thus, it involves imagining or projecting that others have those feelings.
The action of projecting or throwing or propelling something.
Projectipant- One who is viewed as a patient, and participant in therapy, as a result of projection from the therapeutic environment which has control over him……
Anyone else?
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What do we call a Program Teen? student? prisoner?...
I keep having this problem with trying to describe the ‘Troubled Teen’ in a program. ‘student’ does not reflect the context of therapy, ‘patient’ is misleading because they are not under the direct care of therapists and they are not free participants with a right to be informed of the process, and ‘detainee’ or ‘prisoner’ does not work because the context that calls it ‘therapy’ denies the aspect of force that is inherent in that identification. So what the hell is it?
It makes sense to me that there be a specific word to define a teen that is held without their free consent within a therapeutic context. The idea that therapeutic terminology can be used without any delineation between someone that is there by force and one there by choice is a massive distortion in my book.
I’d really like to see this become an accepted part of therapeutic terminology because it can clear up a lot of ambiguity in discussing it. So any suggestions?
I’ll give it a shot…. Projectipant
Psychological projection or projection bias (including Freudian Projection) is the unconscious act of denial of a person's own attributes, thoughts, and emotions, which are then ascribed to the outside world, such as to the weather, the government, a tool, or to other people. Thus, it involves imagining or projecting that others have those feelings.
The action of projecting or throwing or propelling something.
Projectipant- One who is viewed as a patient, and participant in therapy, as a result of projection from the therapeutic environment which has control over him……
Anyone else?
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Shit please do tell what do we call all the folks from ages 12-100 that are in detention (prison,juvie) against there will. Thousands of these kids were/are in programs instead of being incarcerated in juvie, all in all it is against there will. So what do we call these chaps. I mean they committed crimes but they do not want to go to jail for them. At least I did not. In some cases those folks are giving a choice to go to programs and they accept. What do we call them.
Danny
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We used to call them "Detainees" because they are detained in the programs. Because we don't want to scare parents away while we tell the truth about what is going on at such places, we just call them teenagers.
I agree that it would be an insult to other schools to call them "students". A lot of the teenagers discover once they have graduated the programs that they have wasted a lot of time academically because the local school districts demand that they retake parts or all school work done at the facilities.
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@ Danny
When someone is in prison we call them prisoners, perhaps detainees. When someone is in therapy we call them a patient. A teen in a program is somewhat of a combination of the two. It’s unique, and a unique context for therapy to be conducted under. Just because there is no word for it does not mean there shouldn’t be.
As for that last bit about the folks who choose to go, I believe this would go a long way to protecting against generalized results that do not make those depictions. There is no excuse. In fact it is suspicious that a (how many?) multi- million, billion? dollar a year industry has not, itself, given it a specific name, unless ‘teenager’ just fits the bottom line. Wouldn’t it be odd if you applied at a mega corporation as a janitor and they said, ‘ what’s a janitor? We have a position available for ‘worker’.'
@ Oscar
Thanks for clarifying that. So this is really the position that is settled on in this issue? Teenager? That is so general it is just a step away from ‘Person’. It is disappointing to me that, normally, when a person takes on a position in a specific environment (social, etc.) we give it a name that reflects the situation they are in. Employee, juror, audience member. If there really is no name for it there should be don't you think?
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You must be new to fornits.
Proper Grammar
Program = Gulag
Employees = Nazis
Patients/Students = Prisoner
Troubled Teen Industry in general = Holocaust
No I didn't make these up, the posters here have used these I searched and checked.
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You must be new to fornits.
Proper Grammar
Program = Gulag
Employees = Nazis
Patients/Students = Prisoner
Troubled Teen Industry in general = Holocaust
No I didn't make these up, the posters here have used these I searched and checked.
Well, this is kind of what i'm getting at here. When I see what's going on here. Some words are used to fill in missing descriptions, or because there is a related history or quality, but as of yet there is no real word for this very unique situation. What do you think a proper label would be?
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duckfarm- program
fucked- program detainee
totally fucked- program detainee in Tranquility Bay
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Che,
I'm talking about a reference that can be used in society, in front of a board, or comittee. A word that can actually become part of the language of therapy. I believe patients of force have the right to define that term, as a serious part of a socially accepted epistemology. If one is a survivor now, what were you then? A 'teenager'.
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I'm talking about a reference that can be used in society, in front of a board, or comittee. A word that can actually become part of the language of therapy. I believe patients of force have the right to define that term, as a serious part of a socially accepted epistemology. If one is a survivor now, what were you then? A 'teenager'.
Contact Lon Woodbury, educational consultant who could clarify for you.
1-800-262-5269 (toll free)
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I'm talking about a reference that can be used in society, in front of a board, or comittee. A word that can actually become part of the language of therapy. I believe patients of force have the right to define that term, as a serious part of a socially accepted epistemology. If one is a survivor now, what were you then? A 'teenager'.
Contact Lon Woodbury, educational consultant who could clarify for you.
1-800-262-5269 (toll free)
You think I should call him? What is he going to clarify exactly?
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1. Slaves
2. Auschwitz child
3. Prisoners of War
4. Dumpster babies
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Thinking this through you need to choose a terminology that best represents the group. For example the Pope(representing all Catholics) may say:
“Homosexuality will result in the person not sitting at the right hand of God.”
This phrase represents a large number of people
Another way of stating this is:
“Faggots will burn in hell”
This clearly represents a small number of people or a fringe/Hate group. Typically seen on signs help by people (in groups of 8 or 9) down south in the Bible belt.
Another example:
Intelligent people will discuss the moral dilemmas of abortion citing arguments from both sides of the issue. Each side will accept the others opinion on the issue. Fringe or hate groups will assemble with signs on street corners saying: “Abortion is Murder” (no discussion is encouraged). They have no need of information from opposing viewpoints because they feel they are right and facts may cloud the issue for them and force them to think.
The majority of society refers to the schools as Therapeutic boarding Schools or residential Treatment Centers and the kids as troubled teens or students. But since fornits represents a small fringe/Hate group (or sub set) which discourages opposing views by labeling the people programmies, trolls, apologists, shills etc. they need to utilize wording which will represent themselves clearly and separate themselves from society as such. So phrases like:
“I was kidnapped and held prisoner in a gulag” would better represent fornits posters’ depiction of the industry.
So based on this logic I would suggest “Hostage” since there is a great deal of money involved and the child was most likely kidnapped at the onset.
A few other acceptable terms might be:
Detainee
Prisoner
Victim
Captive
Lifer
This way when new readers come to fornits they will quickly get an idea of how large of a group fornits represents and whether your group is main stream thinkers or a closed minded fringe group.
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@ Danny
When someone is in prison we call them prisoners, perhaps detainees. When someone is in therapy we call them a patient. A teen in a program is somewhat of a combination of the two. It’s unique, and a unique context for therapy to be conducted under. Just because there is no word for it does not mean there shouldn’t be.
Awake thank you for pointing out the obvious......lol.
I'll try again to explain my point. How about the thousands of kids who are in the judicial system that say, "hey ya I'll go to this program, it is better then juvie. What do we call them.
My opinion here now, this whole overly exploited insecurity about programs and children being forced to do this and that is just that, exploitation. What has happened here on fornits is just about as bad as the marketing job the Corporations do that own these programs. Your just using the ugly misfortunes that can happen in all walks of life and exploit it here. Why are you doing this, what is the motivation. It is not as clear and precise as you folks have let on but I do believe each and every one of you have a ax to grind, (lol no shit). Well that makes me judgmental now doesn't it.
What do we call a kid in a program, "resident" not hard been calling them that for over thirty years. Awake what were you called....?????
There was a young girl taken from her family in Florida brought to Georgia, raped and sodomized then buried alive. The perp is still squirming his way thru the court system, this incident happened almost 3 years ago
Everyday thousands upon thousands of young kids are abused horribly, what say you.
We have people here on this thread and site peacocking around saying things like slaves, Auschwitz babies, dumpster babies, drones, clones ect.....WTF.
This is just reckless but hey it is your audience your trying to attract.
As for that last bit about the folks who choose to go, I believe this would go a long way to protecting against generalized results that do not make those depictions.
Well whether you want to believe it or not you are wrong very wrong. I personally know many folks who chose a TC over juvie/prison and would consciously do it again. So Awake this is not, "a generalized result this is a actual direct experience result". Yes I would choose Elan over any juvie or penal system.
Now I think I know where we go next. Well Daniel you really did not have a choice and/or you were incarcerated with either choice. Well this is true it was do to my actions. My actions Awake. Don't forget about my people, Awake. See my parents did not pay $5000.00 a month for treatment, we don't go to Wilderness Camps, Hyde School ect....Were State folks.
There is no excuse.
Your sure???????
In fact it is suspicious that a (how many?) multi- million, billion? dollar a year industry has not, itself, given it a specific name, unless ‘teenager’ just fits the bottom line. Wouldn’t it be odd if you applied at a mega corporation as a janitor and they said, ‘ what’s a janitor? We have a position available for ‘worker’.
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:shamrock: :shamrock:
@ Oscar
Thanks for clarifying that. So this is really the position that is settled on in this issue? Teenager? That is so general it is just a step away from ‘Person’. It is disappointing to me that, normally, when a person takes on a position in a specific environment (social, etc.) we give it a name that reflects the situation they are in. Employee, juror, audience member. If there really is no name for it there should be don't you think?
:shamrock: :shamrock:
Danny
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@ Whooter,
Hostage just can’t work. It certainly works to describe my personal experience as i was taken out of my home in my sleep, my family was gone, and I was not given any answers to where I was being taken except that it would just be for a weekend and I was going to have fun.
But the word hostage implies that the context is, overtly, one that utilizes force over it’s victim. Hostage is a word that dances around the issue in the same way as ‘patient’, only on the other side of the coin.
Again, this is unique. If an individual is a prisoner the environment will reflect that. It will be clearly understood that the guards are there to keep him by force, same with the walls and bars. It is also very clear that this is not for his good, but to protect the larger society. Everyone’s roles are clearly spelled out.
The same goes for the mainstream understanding of the term ‘patient’, which is why I believe the TTI doesn’t use it because it would betray that definition. If we describe an individual as a patient there is a clear understading that the therapist is working with him within a frame of agreement, and that the overall effort is to relieve the symptoms of the patient, to help the patient. This is in contrast with a prison that is, overtly, operating forecully upon individuals (prisoners) for the purpose of relieving symptoms on the societal level.
But we have a very real situation in the TTI where teens are placed there by force, often times in areas that hold little possibility for escaping, yet the environment is one that reflects itself as one that is therapeutic and gives results construed to be with relation to personal growth and achievement. This context is unique, and prevalent in the TTI. Seeing that they have developed a context that functions so profitably it only seems right that there be a proper epistemology with which to discuss it.
I think my word provides an apt description for the position of many program teens, Projectipant.
“I was a projectipant at CEDU. I was not a patient, or a student, it was like prison only with the added frustration of being told that it was not, and that if I was there I was agreeing to be there, as there were no rules only agreements curiously, so no, the words prisoner or hostage don’t capture the experience. The results of the program offered as emotional or personal growth were not mine, I was a projectipant of the process.”
@ Danny, you wrote, "Well whether you want to believe it or not you are wrong very wrong. I personally know many folks who chose a TC over juvie/prison and would consciously do it again. So Awake this is not, "a generalized result this is a actual direct experience result". Yes I would choose Elan over any juvie or penal system."
I think the issue of who is given the option as an alternative to a criminal sentence is just important to identify, and there is plenty worth discussing. I think that this word gives us an opportunity to measure results coming from distinct groups rather than lumping everyone together uncategorically. It’s a bit like when the banks decided not to file the high risk home loans with the low risk ones. They bundled them all together and traded them on the open market. We payed pretty dearly for a mistake that distorted the profit potential of that industry. I think if we don’t concern ourselves now we will find we have to be concerned about it later.
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@ Awake
Hmmm.. good points. My post was more tongue and cheek. But I think there should be a suitable name given to kids who enter programs.
Projectipant….
A project is a plan and a participant can be defined as a person who takes part or shares. So a projectipant may be one who participates (willingly or unwillingly) in a plan. So I think this would be a very good definition to describe a teen entering a program. Because there is a plan of action and the child will participate (willing or not).
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No that in not my term. The word Projectipant is not from the word ‘project’ even though it has the same spelling.
Projectipant comes from the the psychological term ‘projection’ and its more general definition. I’ll reiterate.
Psychological projection or projection bias (including Freudian Projection) is the unconscious act of denial of a person's own attributes, thoughts, and emotions, which are then ascribed to the outside world, such as to the weather, the government, a tool, or to other people. Thus, it involves imagining or projecting that others have those feelings.
Projection- The action of projecting or throwing or propelling something.
Projectipant- One who is viewed as a patient, and participant in therapy, as a result of projection from the therapeutic environment which has control over him.
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The most suitable term is “detainee”
These terms portray citizens held in captivity without due process with the complicity of the state. The state is unaware that many of these “schools” have prisoners, but aware of the conduct of others. Also acceptable are “torture victims” for victims of the Synanon , CEDU and Aspen Education Group cult.
The proper term for Aspen Education Cult victim, Michael Reuben, son of John David Reuben (alleged to be whooter) is “corpse.” That is also the appropriate term for the approximately 1,000 other Aspen Education Cult murder victims, if we accept the projected suicide rate of thought reform victims, plus the roughly (at least) one murder victim a year who dies in Aspen from abuse.
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Patient wouldn't work because these programs provide a torture model, not a therapy model. That's because kidnap and imprison gulags are all descended from Synanon. In fact, the kidnap and imprison system was pioneered by Synanon. It was taken from Synanon to respective gulags still functioning today such as the Aspen Eduction Group cult. It reached Aspen through it's first generation spin-off CEDU
And 3 generations post Synaon, its spin offs are still torturing, as investigators have corroborated. For example, the state found that ALL detainees of the Aspen Education Group cult gulag, MBA, were abused in the course of being subjected to the 'program model' of ritual sexual abuse, and psychological and physical abuse. It also found that no one licensed or qualified to treat adolescents for mental health issues worked at the "school."
Place to start research into the Aspen Education Group Cult offenses:
http://motherjones.com/mojo/2009/11/sch ... it-re-open (http://motherjones.com/mojo/2009/11/school-using-lap-dances-treat-add-closed-your-tax-involved-will-it-re-open)
http://www.cafety.org/solutions-and-suc ... my-closing (http://www.cafety.org/solutions-and-successes/791-aspen-education-group-mount-bachelor-academy-closing)
""The investigation was conducted by the Office of Investigation and Training (OIT) at DHS. Investigators with OIT reported that ALL students at MBA were required to participate in "emotional growth" workshops, called Lifesteps, which included activities that were coercive, intimidating and humiliating -- including sexualized role play and reenactment of past traumatic events, such as prior physical or sexual abuse.""
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The most suitable term is “detainee”
These terms portray citizens held in captivity without due process with the complicity of the state. The state is unaware that many of these “schools” have prisoners, but aware of the conduct of others. Also acceptable are “torture victims” for victims of the Synanon , CEDU and Aspen Education Group cult.
The proper term for Aspen Education Cult victim, Michael Reuben, son of John David Reuben (alleged to be whooter) is “corpse.” That is also the appropriate term for the approximately 1,000 other Aspen Education Cult murder victims, if we accept the projected suicide rate of thought reform victims, plus the roughly (at least) one murder victim a year who dies in Aspen from abuse.
:roflmao: :roflmao: :roflmao: :roflmao: From the highly respected members of fornits. Thank You....
We love the syndrome you are suffering from, "Chronic Hyperbole Syndrome".
Whether you know this or not, 90% of viewers here recognize your pathological biased opinions (fears) that are spewed everyday and we recognize where they come from, they usually are projections of your life, not necessarily verbatim but we get the picture. So as they say let the circus move on.
DANNY
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The most suitable term is “detainee”
These terms portray citizens held in captivity without due process with the complicity of the state. The state is unaware that many of these “schools” have prisoners, but aware of the conduct of others. Also acceptable are “torture victims” for victims of the Synanon , CEDU and Aspen Education Group cult.
The proper term for Aspen Education Cult victim, Michael Reuben, son of John David Reuben (alleged to be whooter) is “corpse.” That is also the appropriate term for the approximately 1,000 other Aspen Education Cult murder victims, if we accept the projected suicide rate of thought reform victims, plus the roughly (at least) one murder victim a year who dies in Aspen from abuse.
:roflmao: :roflmao: :roflmao: :roflmao: From the highly respected members of fornits. Thank You....
We love the syndrome you are suffering from, "Chronic Hyperbole Syndrome".
Whether you know this or not, 90% of viewers here recognize your pathological biased opinions (fears) that are spewed everyday and we recognize where they come from, they usually are projections of your life, not necessarily verbatim but we get the picture. So as they say let the circus move on.
DANNY
Disengage from the endless cycle of internet rage posting that you and some others engage in here, do some research and get back to me. We’re on the same side, Danny. What happened to the guy who wanted to get the word out about Elan? Got distracted by flame wars? Maybe youre better than that?
You can start here:
http://motherjones.com/politics/2007/08 ... n-industry (http://motherjones.com/politics/2007/08/cult-spawned-tough-love-teen-industry)
The CEDU, Synanon, Aspen Education Group Cult, troubled teen industry in general, connection is quite corroborated. And so is being kidnapped, imprisoned and tortured, for that matter.
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...kidnap and imprison gulags are all descended from Synanon. In fact, the kidnap and imprison system was pioneered by Synanon. It was taken from Synanon to respective gulags still functioning today such as the Aspen Eduction Group cult. It reached Aspen through it's first generation spin-off CEDU.
Got any proof of that?
I respectfully beg to differ with that pat assertion. Synanon was small potatoes, my dear, when it comes to where all this started.
The United States government had already been experimenting with uses for therapeutic community modalities for at least a decade by the time Chuckie D hit the scene. In fact, he probably learned some of his trade from them. After all, he was an ex-con.
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The most suitable term is “detainee”
These terms portray citizens held in captivity without due process with the complicity of the state. The state is unaware that many of these “schools” have prisoners, but aware of the conduct of others. Also acceptable are “torture victims” for victims of the Synanon , CEDU and Aspen Education Group cult.
The proper term for Aspen Education Cult victim, Michael Reuben, son of John David Reuben (alleged to be whooter) is “corpse.” That is also the appropriate term for the approximately 1,000 other Aspen Education Cult murder victims, if we accept the projected suicide rate of thought reform victims, plus the roughly (at least) one murder victim a year who dies in Aspen from abuse.
:roflmao: :roflmao: :roflmao: :roflmao: From the highly respected members of fornits. Thank You....
We love the syndrome you are suffering from, "Chronic Hyperbole Syndrome".
Whether you know this or not, 90% of viewers here recognize your pathological biased opinions (fears) that are spewed everyday and we recognize where they come from, they usually are projections of your life, not necessarily verbatim but we get the picture. So as they say let the circus move on.
DANNY
Disengage from the endless cycle of internet rage posting that you and some others engage in here, do some research and get back to me. We’re on the same side, Danny. What happened to the guy who wanted to get the word out about Elan? Got distracted by flame wars? Maybe youre better than that?
You can start here:
http://motherjones.com/politics/2007/08 ... n-industry (http://motherjones.com/politics/2007/08/cult-spawned-tough-love-teen-industry)
The CEDU, Synanon, Aspen Education Group Cult, troubled teen industry in general, connection is quite corroborated. And so is being kidnapped, imprisoned and tortured, for that matter.
Why not disengage from the cycle of rage posting at random people, for petty reasons, that you & others engage in here, do some research and get back to me? We’re on the same side, Danny. What happened to the guy who wanted to get the word out about Elan? Got distracted by flame wars? Maybe youre better than that?
You can start here:
http://motherjones.com/politics/2007/08 ... n-industry (http://motherjones.com/politics/2007/08/cult-spawned-tough-love-teen-industry)
The CEDU, Synanon, Aspen Education Group Cult, troubled teen industry in general, connection is quite corroborated. So is being systematically tortured, kidnapped (teen escort, they call it) brainwashed, and held captive, for that matter.
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...kidnap and imprison gulags are all descended from Synanon. In fact, the kidnap and imprison system was pioneered by Synanon. It was taken from Synanon to respective gulags still functioning today such as the Aspen Eduction Group cult. It reached Aspen through it's first generation spin-off CEDU.
Got any proof of that?
I respectfully beg to differ with that pat assertion. Synanon was small potatoes, my dear, when it comes to where all this started.
The United States government had already been experimenting with uses for therapeutic community modalities for at least a decade by the time Chuckie D hit the scene. In fact, he probably learned some of his trade from them. After all, he was an ex-con.
It can be proved for MOST gulag - cults. Synanon disciples can be traced through each gulag permutation back to the mother cult, or influence of disciples can be traced.
Are you saying SOME gulags can be traced back to someplace that is NOT Synanon?
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Lon Woodbury wrote:
Why not disengage from the cycle of rage posting at random people, for petty reasons, that you & others engage in here, do some research and get back to me? We’re on the same side, Danny. What happened to the guy who wanted to get the word out about Elan? Got distracted by flame wars? Maybe youre better than that?
You can start here:
http://motherjones.com/politics/2007/08 ... n-industry (http://motherjones.com/politics/2007/08/cult-spawned-tough-love-teen-industry)
The CEDU, Synanon, Aspen Education Group Cult, troubled teen industry in general, connection is quite corroborated. So is being systematically tortured, kidnapped (teen escort, they call it) brainwashed, and held captive, for that matter.
I'm first off I not raging and usually don't. Your allowing yourself to be confused. Second I am not interested in Mother Jones it is the equivalent to fornits here, same loons.
Third when did I ever stop doing that, oh I'm sorry because you don't see it here it means I'm not doing it somewhere else. Yes please judge me totally on the behavior I show on fornits, thanks there buddy.
When are you fucking people going to get it through your heads that I don't want to have your views or prejudices, not one ounce. I don't agree with your foundation or to say it better I'm not sure if I believe where your(fornits) is coming from. I will elaborate at another time still formulating in the thoughts. It has been bugging me for months.
Danny
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LOL, Danny..
Someone extends a hand and you chop it off.
You really would get further if you would stop being such a dick.
Why do you feel the incessant need to prove how tough and resilient you are?
Danny, the all-powerful does not exist. Why don t you just be yourself?
Ya know, most people here, think that you have secret hidden agenda. I don't.
I don t even think you know why you are here.
There's nothing wrong with that. You could just come out and admit it.
Don't tell me that I want to date you now.
You are the purple elephant in the room, in case you haven t noticed. You attract a lot of people's attention.
But as long as you hate everybody so much, you are not gonna get anywhere. Just being honest again..
Paul
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LOL, Danny..
Someone extends a hand and you chop it off.
You really would get further if you would stop being such a dick.
Why do you feel the incessant need to prove how tough and resilient you are?
Danny, the all-powerful does not exist. Why don t you just be yourself?
Ya know, most people here, think that you have secret hidden agenda. I don't.
I don t even think you know why you are here.
There's nothing wrong with that. You could just come out and admit it.
Don't tell me that I want to date you now.
You are the purple elephant in the room, in case you haven t noticed. You attract a lot of people's attention.
But as long as you hate everybody so much, you are not gonna get anywhere. Just being honest again..
Paul
Thanks there lill `johnny. Now how about a grown up perception. Remember perceptions there johnny. Your doing it again.
Danny
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Okay, how about an adult perception?
See, if you actually had anything to back up what you said, you would then go into what the adult perception would be. But as usual you are not actually saying anything- only hurling insults.
Ya know Danny, age-bigotry is a terrible thing. You have no idea the restraint that i have exercised with you... because it would just be too easy. You are dumb, and you are delicate.
and in case, you haven t noticed, in a message board, perceptions are very important.. particularly, when you are talking to someone who is incapable of formulating sane thoughts, that others can understand, and then typing them.
It's your job to make people understand you. I mean.. you don t have to, if you don t want to, but you are only wasting your own time.
But hey, do what you like. You are very entertaining. I mostly get as kick out of your consistent lies, that are SO transparent, I cannot even believe that a grown man, is attempting to pass them off as truth.
I have to go back to what I said originally. Nothing that you are doing here, is going to amount to anything. You are not ready, and may never be, to take on Elan. But hey that s just my perspective.
Paul
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Okay, how about an adult perception?
See, if you actually had anything to back up what you said, you would then go into what the adult perception would be. But as usual you are not actually saying anything- only hurling insults.
Ya know Danny, age-bigotry is a terrible thing. You have no idea the restraint that i have exercised with you... because it would just be too easy. You are dumb, and you are delicate.
and in case, you haven t noticed, in a message board, perceptions are very important.. particularly, when you are talking to someone who is incapable of formulating sane thoughts, that others can understand, and then typing them.
It's your job to make people understand you. I mean.. you don t have to, if you don t want to, but you are only wasting your own time.
But hey, do what you like. You are very entertaining. I mostly get as kick out of your consistent lies, that are SO transparent, I cannot even believe that a grown man, is attempting to pass them off as truth.
I have to go back to what I said originally. Nothing that you are doing here, is going to amount to anything. You are not ready, and may never be, to take on Elan. But hey that s just my perspective.
Paul
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Why would I have to explain the obvious. Your doing a good job dude here, move on. There are many more things here to do.
Danny
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So, I am going to try to say why I think identifying this terminology is integral to motivating any real change. It is true that there are linkages to cults, gulags, mind control, thought reform, synanon, and other factors that just don’t get examined very deeply within mainstream society. I went to Cedu and it certainly would be fitting to find words that portray that experience. The last suggestion I heard was ‘detainee’. It’s not like I don’t relate to that word, but the fact is that these programs are currently accepted institutions in our society as therapeutic communities. We can call them cults or gulags, and it may be a more accurate description in many cases, but it won’t make it true out in the world. The same goes for if we use words like ‘hostage’. It’s not like we can’t talk about it that way in many circumstances, but we can’t deny that the generally accepted language holds that these are therapeutic communities, and as distorted as that may be it makes it real and that is what I’m trying to respond to.
The real situation that is created from the TTI (which I truly believe is becoming a global epidemic) is kind of like this. Take 2 identical prisons. In one the person is called a prisoner, if they say they are imprisoned they will be told they are right. In the other ‘prison’ it is not called a prison and the person is not identified as a prisoner. If they say they are imprisoned they will be told they are wrong, and that it is their choice to be there. As bizarre as it is this is the very commonly occurring context in the TTI in which the program becomes a living paradox for it’s … (I hope my word makes sense) Projectipants.
My view is that the TTI functions by hiding behind the veil of ‘therapy’, but when you begin to apply therapeutic terminology the definitions just don’t add up. It is something is relatively new in it’s current evolution, it’s full of vague, distorted definitions of itself, and it’s full of unique phenomenon that are undeniably real and distinct but have no name. I want definitions, if they want to give them or not.
Projectipant is not a real word, yet, but it is a real thing, and it was made real by them creating this previously unreal context. It is impossible to deny that there are projectipants in programs, there is no way to tell who is genuinely choosing the therapy for their own personal growth and who is just going through the motions due to the variety of motivational factors utilized. It does not matter if you don’t want to do it, you are in therapy and you can’t escape that scrutiny. These insinuations that projectipants have developed ‘personal life goals’ and achieved ‘individual autonomy’ or were ‘failures’ in therapy are a blatant denial of reality.
I know I sound like a parrot here, but I think Projectipant has a useful and proper function in today’s language.
Projectipant- One who is viewed as a patient, and participant in therapy, as a result of projection from the therapeutic environment which has control over him.
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Even in the non-extreme cases they are quasi-prisoners. When I worked at Sunset Bay Academy it was common for 13 y/o children sent with just basic behavioral problems to be exposed to things like two students with a foot fetish inserting water bottles up their rear ends or blanket parties.
Also some were actually making hooch using the extra sugared drink that the upper levels have access to in their personal possession.
I will give the full scoop on this place within a month, once a legal matter gets settled.
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Edited: Wednesday, October 06, 2010
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Psycosocial Research Lab Rat
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Those who are about to die...
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Edited: Wednesday, October 06, 2010