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General Interest => Open Free for All => Topic started by: Antigen on September 20, 2003, 11:10:00 AM
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There's a discussion going on in the Teen Help forum under the topic "Must Read: Does Hillary's "Global Village" include "EG" Programs?" that ambled onto politics, religion and the scary Skull & Bones story. I can't say whether this stuff is more or less reliable than your typical CNN fluff job. But it is a lot more interesting.
Eventually, S&B came to be dominated by BROWN BROTHERS HARRIMAN, the largest private investment bank in AMERICA. The CEO of this power group, Averell Harriman, was the mentor of George Bush's father, Prescott Bush. George Bush's grandfather George Herbert Walker, served as president of BROWN BROTHERS HARRIMAN. The Bush family has SPENT three generations in service to the Harriman interests. That is why it is downright nefarious that it was the widow of Averell Harriman, Pamela Harriman, who was the principle backer of Bill Clinton for President. When Clinton lost the campaign for Governor of Arkansas, it was Pamela who picked him up, dusted him off and made him chairman of PAM-PAC--the largest fund raising source for the Democratic
Party. Some cynics think that George Bush is still president, using Bill Clinton as a front, just as he had used Ronald Reagan. Remember, anyone who wanted to meet with President Reagan had to first go through Bush's former campagn manager, Chief of Staff James Baker.
Full article: http://indymedia.org/front.php3?article ... up=webcast (http://indymedia.org/front.php3?article_id=347515&group=webcast)
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The abpve seems to be a bad link - maybe you can check it and try again?
I'd like to see the artical.
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Typo. My bad. Try it now.
To the extent that a society limits its government to policing functions which curb the individuals who engage in aggressive and criminal actions, and conducts its economic affairs on the basis of free and willing exchange, to that extent domestic peace prevails. When a society departs from this norm, its governing class begins, in effect, to make war upon the rest of the nation. A situation is created in which everyone is victimized by everyone else under the fiction of each living at the expense of all.
--Edmund A. Opitz
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This subject just fascinates me!
It seems so crazy to think a hand full of powerful men could be running the whole show, so to speak; and yet at the same time - its so believable!
From my perspective, its also interesting how all the secret societies have such deep occultic roots. They are all very clearly satanic, when one learns about the blood oaths, and the pagan beliefs and practices they all incorporate.
You can't read very long about any of them, and not run across a connection to higher order Masonry - About which, they themselves have stated, (the Higher order Masons) have the seething power of Lucifer in their hands.
Its not widely known; seldom explained in history class, that the Nazis & SS were deeply emeshed in the occult and believed the power of the pagan faith they had resurrected, would lead them to certain victory.
Some believe WWII was a kind of trial run - what is called a prefillment of prophecy. Some think there is a phenomenon in Biblical Prophecy - were the prophecy comes to pass in a minor way; the prefillment; And then later the actual event occurs - the Full fillment.
Its become my belief that these secret society groups are to be the political and economic power behind the Beast when he rises.
The stage is being set.
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Also, a little known historical fact: After WWII, the US gov't employed the same German chemical manufacturers that produced substances like zyklon-b (I can't believe I remembered its name) which were used to snuff the Jews in the gas ovens or chambers or whatever. :scared:
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rare thing indeedAn Animated Cartoon Theology:
1. People are animals.
2. The body is mortal and subject to incredible pain.
3. Life is antagonistic to the living.
4. The flesh can be sawed, crushed, frozen, stretched, burned, bombed, and plucked for music.
5. The dumb are abused by the smart and the smart destroyed by their own cunning.
6. The small are tortured by the large and the large destroyed by their own momentum.
7. We are able to walk on air, but only as long as our illusion supports us.
-- E. L. Doctorow "The Book of Daniel"
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Since we wondered into the mystical and prophetic; And since tomorow is Rosh Hashana, or the Feats of Trumpets; I thought this might be of interest. I have only copied a portion of the article. It may be read in its entirety at:
http://www.lamblion.com/prophecy/Jews-I ... ews-10.php (http://www.lamblion.com/prophecy/Jews-Israel/Jews-10.php)
What the Jewish people did not seem to realize is that all of the feasts were also symbolic types. In other words, they were prophetic in nature, each one pointing in a unique way to some aspect of the life and work of the promised Messiah.
1) Passover - Pointed to the Messiah as our passover lamb whose blood would be shed for our sins. Jesus was crucified on the day of preparation for the Passover, at the same time that the lambs were being slaughtered for the Passover meal that evening.
2) Unleavened Bread - Pointed to the Messiah's sinless life, making Him the perfect sacrifice for our sins. Jesus' body was in the grave during the first days of this feast, like a kernel of wheat planted and waiting to burst forth as the bread of life.
3) First Fruits - Pointed to the Messiah's resurrection as the first fruits of the righteous. Jesus was resurrected on this very day, which is one of the reasons that Paul refers to him in I Corinthians 15:20 as the "first fruits from the dead."
4) Harvest or Pentecost - (Called Shavuot today.) Pointed to the great harvest of souls, both Jew and Gentile, that would come into the kingdom of God during the Church Age. The Church was actually established on this day when the Messiah poured out the Holy Spirit and 3,000 souls responded to Peter's first proclamation of the Gospel.
The long interval of three months between Harvest and Trumpets pointed to the current Church Age, a period of time that was kept as a mystery to the Hebrew prophets in Old Testament times.
That leaves us with the three fall feasts which are yet to be fulfilled in the life and work of the Messiah. Because Jesus literally fulfilled the first four feasts and did so on the actual feast days, I think it is safe to assume that the last three will also be fulfilled and that their fulfillment will occur on the actual feast days. We cannot be certain how they will be fulfilled, but my guess is that they most likely have the following prophetic implications:
5) Trumpets - (Called Rosh Hashana today.) Points to the Rapture when the Messiah will appear in the heavens as a Bridegroom coming for His bride, the Church. The Rapture is always associated in Scripture with the blowing of a loud trumpet (I Thessalonians 4:13-18 and I Corinthians 15:52)
6) Atonement - (Called Yom Kippur today.) Points to the day of the Second Coming of Jesus when He will return to earth. That will be the day of atonement for the Jewish remnant when they "look upon Him whom they have pierced," repent of their sins, and receive Him as their Messiah (Zechariah 12:10 and Romans 11:1-6, 25-36).
7) Tabernacles - (Called Sukkot today.) Points to the Lord's promise that He will once again tabernacle with His people when He returns to reign over all the world from Jerusalem (Micah 4:1-7).
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http://store.aetv.com/html/search/index ... &x=12&y=12 (http://store.aetv.com/html/search/index.jhtml;jsessionid=XBS3RDVRMNTLQQOXHDDSAO0B022MOIY4?search=Skull+and+Bones&x=12&y=12)
Worth buying if your intrested in the subject.
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This might be the one I'm thinking of - sounds more like it; But I'm not sure they are the same program - I don't think so - I think this one is the more detailed _
http://store.aetv.com/html/product/index.jhtml?id=70720 (http://store.aetv.com/html/product/index.jhtml?id=70720)
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http://www.orwelltoday.com/ (http://www.orwelltoday.com/)
I think the above link might beof some intrest.
I've also found a very Very intresting little book
The New World Order:
the ancient plan of secret societies
by
William T. Still
[ This Message was edited by: Anon on 2003-11-24 11:55 ]
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Currently reading a popular novel, " The DiVincie Code".
Its a current best seller, so you can find it anywhere. Not completely finished with it yet, but nearly, and thought I'd tell you folks about it.
It's a novel, so not a 'true' story; but the subject matter is 'real'. Its about a secrete society; and a very old form Catholic sect; who are at odds with one another, you might say.
The sect, and the secrete society, are real. They do exist. The line gets fuzzy as to how much of what is explained about them is accurate, but I suspect a lot, or even all, is.
Its a tight and well written mystery / thriller, and worth reading for that reason alone, if you like this kind of thing - but be warned - the author is slanted in his view as to which of the adversaries hold the more correct view of a serious matter - Christianity; Jesus the Christ and Mary Magdelin.
I don't wish to tell to much, as I wouldn't want to spoil any of the intreg; but if you will be upset to have your faith questioned by such a book as this (assuming the reader is Christian) you might do better to leave it on the shelf.
If you lean towards Pagan beliefs you'll love this book with out reserve.
What it boils down to is the age old battle.
It is always the pagan and the Christian at odds; as Christianity is the only rival to Paganism to ever exist.
This book seems to be about the struggle between the Gnostics and the Christian. You can read about it in the New Testament as well. Its been going on from the very beginning.
While I personally believe all Pagan practice and belief to be evil and straight from Hell; There is still much thats brought out about how the Catholic church twisted the meaning of the scriptures that I believe to be valid.
I would maintain this is why the Catholic church fought so hard to keep the scriptures unavailable to the common man. Once they could read for themselves what is Biblical, they could plainly see it often goes in opposition to what the Church teaches.
The Gnostics however, take their arguments to far and so fall into serious (even diabolical) error.
Anyway - as the book is about secret societies and sects, I thought some of you might want to check it out.
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From page one:
Its not widely known; seldom explained in history class, that the Nazis & SS were deeply emeshed in the occult and believed the power of the pagan faith they had resurrected, would lead them to certain victory.
Some believe WWII was a kind of trial run - what is called a prefillment of prophecy. Some think there is a phenomenon in Biblical Prophecy - were the prophecy comes to pass in a minor way; the prefillment; And then later the actual event occurs - the Full fillment.
Also, a little known historical fact: After WWII, the US gov't employed the same German chemical manufacturers that produced substances like zyklon-b (I can't believe I remembered its name) which were used to snuff the Jews in the gas ovens or chambers or whatever.I know this no thanks to history class...
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I?d like to talk about this just a little more.
Last night the history channel was running a set of shows on the SS. They made the above point that the SS / Nazis were following a Pagan/Occultic religion. They went on explain how the ?final solution? was just the beginning. As with all other such Pagan groups; there are some things known only to the higher members. One of the things kept hidden from the lower ranks; but well understood by the higher order SS men, was that next in line for final solution treatment was the Christian Faiths. There had even already begun some desecration of Churches, like that which took place with the Synagogues at the start.
It got me wondering about something. I wonder if the inquisition and other horrors inflicted upon European Jews, wasn?t as is thought, the work of Christians; but rather, the work of these secret pagan societies. It seems very likely to me such is the case, tho I have never herd it said so. Most people think the Nazi persecution was the same kind of Christian persecution as the inquisition, only multiplied. I wonder if it wasn?t indeed generated from the same source; but a Pagan (and thus demonic) source and not a Christian one.
It never made sense to me that believing Christians could persecute the Jews. Even casual reading of the Bible makes it clear this is a very dangerous thing to do; and the book of Romans makes the point that gentile believers are grafted onto the Jewish vine; and that this is a honor and a privilege. So Christian persecution of the Jews makes no sense at all; But Pagan persecution does, and has been the normal state of affairs sence Abraham left Ur.
And the Crusades - that was the Knights Templer. They too, hid behind a Christian mask, but were in fact (so the conspiracy buffs say, anyway) Luciferian Paganist; which became the Illuminati.
Food for thought.
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http://fornits.com/wwf/viewtopic.php?So ... =9&start=0 (http://fornits.com/wwf/viewtopic.php?Sort=&topic=4095&forum=9&start=0)
A must read!
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http://educateyourself.org/mc/mcsvaliinterviewpt1.shtml (http://educateyourself.org/mc/mcsvaliinterviewpt1.shtml)
This is a link to information about the Illuminati in America today.
Its interesting.
Some of you post program people will reconise some aspects of what is discribed.
What is discribed is not what I have in past reading on the subject understood the Illuminatti to be.
I have in the past thought of the Illuminatti as a very few very powerful people at the higest point of the secreat society web.
This link maintains something different; but the basic history, and agenda remains as always, the New World Order.
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try this link -
http://educate-yourself.org/mc/mcsvalii ... wpt1.shtml (http://educate-yourself.org/mc/mcsvaliinterviewpt1.shtml)
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The Current Drive for One World Government
by J. R. Church
In 1994, an economic summit was held in Miami, Florida, which could cause Americans to lose control of their own destiny. Proponents of FTAA (Free Trade Area of the Americas) say it will improve our economy. But opponents say we will lose our constitutional government and become enslaved to a world bureaucracy.
The Current Drive for One World Government
In 1994, an economic summit was held in Miami, Florida, which could cause Americans to lose control of their own destiny. At that time, a proposal was set forth to establish free trade throughout the western hemisphere. It was called "Free Trade Area of the Americas" (FTAA). Proponents called it "a bold move to foster economic progress, enhance domestic prosperity, and raise living standards."
The goal is to open the borders for "free trade" all the way from Canada in the North, to Argentina in the South, using a single currency. However, opponents say that the proposal is shrouded in deception and misrepresentation. Upon close examination, it was learned that the real objective is to consolidate power, not to expand prosperity.
The FTAA would bring all of the nations in this hemisphere, especially the United States, under the control of a new "regional authority," having none of the checks and balances of our constitution. To accomplish this globalist goal for political control, a step-by-step plan would dismantle every government in favor of a single union, similar to the current move toward the European Union.
The ultimate goal is to establish ten of these regional power blocks around the world. The uniting of all nations in Europe is simply the prototype for uniting North and South America, Africa, the Middle East, the Far East, etc., until the United Nations goal for dividing up the world into ten political/economic regions (ten kingdoms) is achieved.
Remember the dream of the Babylon-ian king, Nebuchadnezzar? The man in his dream represented the "times of the Gentiles." It consisted of a head of gold (Babylon), arms of silver (Medo-Persia), a belly of brass (Greece), legs of iron (Rome), and feet with ten toes mixed with iron and clay. The ten toes of a future world government will enslave the world.
Such a proposal was first introduced in 1974, in a report by a group called "The Club of Rome," published in their book, Mankind At the Turning Point. The United Nations has been sponsoring this move toward world government ever since.
Under the FTAA, Americans would lose control of their property, suffer taxation by anti-American socialist bureaucrats, and watch helplessly as standards of justice (i.e., Bill of Rights) are trampled. National borders would cease to exist.
The promise for greater prosperity is merely the bait for an internationalist trap that would destroy America?s middle class and undermine any opportunity for the people of Latin America to increase their standards of living.
Sound incredible? Our congress is currently drafting legislation to make it happen as soon as next year! Implementation is scheduled for 2005.
http://www.prophecyinthenews.com/articl ... cle_ID=122 (http://www.prophecyinthenews.com/articledetail.asp?Article_ID=122)
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"...If you will enter into life, keep the commandments." Matthew 19:17
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On 2004-02-24 17:44:00, Anonymous wrote:
"http://educateyourself.org/mc/mcsvaliinterviewpt1.shtml
This is a link to information about the Illuminati in America today.
Its interesting.
Some of you post program people will reconise some aspects of what is discribed.
What is discribed is not what I have in past reading on the subject understood the Illuminatti to be.
I have in the past thought of the Illuminatti as a very few very powerful people at the higest point of the secreat society web.
This link maintains something different; but the basic history, and agenda remains as always, the New World Order."
Thanks KayZee.
:rofl:
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I want to address another misconception. That is, the one that the Illuminists know that they are evil. When I was in the group, I and those around me were idealogically committed to the agenda as being GOOD. I thought I was helping others reach their full potential when I was a trainer.
http://educate-yourself.org/mc/mcsvalii ... wpt3.shtml (http://educate-yourself.org/mc/mcsvaliinterviewpt3.shtml)
This could be anyone, including any Christian or other religion.
Even more to the point:
Most Illuminists I knew weren't evil, they were deceived. Only the top leadership perhaps were consciously being hurtful.
No, I don't think that's so. I think there's a certain mystique surrounding ppl higher up in any heirachy and that they seem to be more in control (and therefore more complicit) than those at our own or lower levels. But it's just more smoke and mirrors. At the end of the day, we're all born naked, bloody and screaming and we all, but a lucky few, go down in similarly undignified fashion.
"From the bottom of any large organization looking up through the ranks, human greed and stupidity look a lot like a conspiracy."
--S. Gilbert
Is uniformity [of opinion] attainable? Millions of innocent men, women, and children, since the introduction of Christianity, have been burnt, tortured, fined, imprisoned; yet we have not advanced one inch towards uniformity. What has been the effect of coercion? To make one half the world fools, and the other half hypocrites.
Anonymity Anonymous (http://fornits.com/anonanon)
[ This Message was edited by: Antigen on 2004-03-10 07:53 ]
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Antigen,
I agree with your assessment of the statements and could point out a bit more.
I am not trying to suggest anything in the link is true; just interesting, If your interested in this subject.
On a related note; Did you happen to catch the A&E Bio on Jim Jones last night?
That too, was interesting. A couple of "defectors" used some interesting language.
One young woman was describing how even your parents would 'come after you' if you complained, b/c that was being negative. They weren't allowed to be negative.
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(Commentary updated at bottom of page)
Another step closer to the new world order
by Michael G. Mickey
(6-24-04)
Recently, the United Nations has been upset with the United States over its refusal to participate in the International Criminal Court, but that is about to change, as documented in a Globe and Mail article.
According to the article, the United States, which has traditionally opposed placing its soldiers in jeopardy of an international community that is becoming more and more anti-American in sentiment, has agreed to submit to the United Nations a compromise that will, if accepted by the UN Security Council, result in U.S. soldiers being exempt from international prosecution for only one more year. After that, the International Criminal Court will have the authority to bring charges against U.S. soldiers - a frightening prospect.
On May 6, 2002, as documented in a BBC news story, the United States delivered a letter to the United Nations stating it would not consider itself bound to a treaty former President Bill Clinton had earlier signed in support of the International Criminal Court.
At the time, the position of the Bush administration was it didn't want its soldiers and diplomats placed in a position where they could be brought before an international court to be tried for war crimes or crimes against humanity. I suspect, largely as a result of the backlash caused by the recent Abu Ghraib prisoner abuses in Iraq, the Bush administration has decided to flip-flop on the issue in John Kerry-like fashion to appease an international community which still resents the invasion of Iraq which led to the abuses.
As I state here often, there are very few events that draw large scale media attention that are insignificant in the end times we're living in. As odd as it may sound, I believe the irresponsible and inexcusable actions of a few U.S. soldiers in Iraq have placed the entire military and diplomatic wing of the United States government in position to potentially be judged by an international court which will scrutinize every minute detail of their actions in an attempt to discredit and bring harm to the United States. Trust me when I say there is a global conspiracy underway to weaken the United States and strip it of its superpower status.
The United States has many enemies. Some of them are hiding in mountainous caves in Afghanistan while others are hiding in palaces, mansions, and governmental headquarters around the world. Some of them are even in New York! No, I'm not referring to Senator Clinton. I'm talking, of course, about the peace-loving United Nations headquartered in New York.
The leaders of the international community, whether they consciously know it or not, are bringing us closer and closer to the fulfillment of Bible prophecy concerning a global government that will take control of the earth in the aftermath of the Rapture of the Church during the Tribulation Period to come. How are they doing so? By supporting the creation and utilization of a court which will have jurisdiction over all the nations of the earth!
Next year, if the United Nations accepts the United States' compromise proposal to join the world in support of the International Criminal Court after one more year of immunity from international prosecution, United States soldiers, diplomats and leaders will live under the threat of prosecution from an international court.
In 2005, it seems highly likely we're going to take yet another step closer to the new world order.
6-25-04 UPDATE
The United States has already surrendered to the will of the international community by dropping its plan to introduce a Security Council resolution that could have extended prosecutorial immunity to its armed forces for one more year, according to a United Nations story.
I ended this commentary written, ironically, the day after the United States surrendered to the United Nations by saying it seemed likely we were going to take another step closer to the new world order in 2005.
STEP TAKEN!
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From World Net Daily News Report
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Posted: June 4, 2004
1:00 a.m. Eastern
The 50th anniversary conference of the elite Bilderberg group ? which many believe conspires semi-annually to foster global government ? is under way in Stresa, Italy.
The conference, which began yesterday and will run through Sunday, is being hosted at the Grand Hotel des Iles Borromees.
Since 1953, the Bilderberg group has convened government, business, academic and journalistic representatives from the U.S., Canada and Europe with the express purpose of exploring the future of the North Atlantic community.
According to sources that have penetrated the high-security meetings in the past, the Bilderberg meetings emphasize a globalist agenda and promote the idea that the notion of national sovereignty is antiquated and regressive.
'Shadowy aura'
"It's officially described as a private gathering," noted a BBC report last year, "but with a guest list including the heads of European and American corporations, political leaders and a few intellectuals, it's one of the most influential organizations on the planet."
And according to a current BBC report on the conference in Stresa: "Not a word of what is said at Bilderberg meetings can be breathed outside. No reporters are invited in and while confidential minutes of meetings are taken, names are not noted. The shadowy aura extends further ? the anonymous answerphone message, for example; the fact that conference venues are kept secret. The group, which includes luminaries such as Henry Kissinger and former UK chancellor Kenneth Clarke, does not even have a website."
But, counter participants, the secrecy is not evidence of a grand conspiracy, but only an opportunity to speak frankly with other world leaders out of the limelight of press coverage and its inevitable repercussions.
"There's absolutely nothing in it," argues the UK's Lord Denis Healey, one of the four founders of Bilderberg. "We never sought to reach a consensus on the big issues at Bilderberg," he told the BBC. "It's simply a place for discussion."
Here is the partial guest list of the current meeting obtained by WorldNetDaily ? which includes Senators John Edwards, D-N.C. and Jon Corzine, D-N.J., Henry Kissinger, Richard Perle, Melinda Gates (wife of Bill Gates), David Rockefeller, Timothy F. Geithner, president of the Federal Reserve Bank of New York, Donald Graham, chairman and CEO of the Washington Post Company, and even Ralph Reed, former head of the Christian Coalition:
N - Auser, Svein - CEO, DnB NOR ASA; D - Ackermann, Josef - Chairman, Group Executive Committee, Deutsche Bank AG; I - Ambrosetti, Alfredo - Chairman, Abbrosetti Group; TR - Babacan, Ali - Minister of Economic Affairs; P - Balsemao, Francisco Pinto - Chairman and CEO, IMPRESA, SGPS, Former Prime Minister; ISR - Barnavie, Elie - Department of General History, Tel-Aviv University; I - Benedetti, Rodolfo De - CEO, CIR; I - Bernabe, Franco - Vice Chairman, Rothschild Europe; F - Beytout, Nicolas - Editor In Chief, Les Echos; INT - Bolkestein, Frits - Commissioner for the Internal Market, European Commission, former leader of Dutch right wing Liberal Party VVD; USA - Boot, Max - Neoconservative, Council on foreign Relations, Features Editor, Wall Street Journal; CH - Borel, Daniel - Chairman, Logitech International S.A.; I - Bortoli, Ferrucio de - CEO, RCS Libri; S - Brock, Gunnar - CEO, Atlas Copco AB; GB - Browne, John - Group Chief Executive, BP plc; NL - Burgmans, Antony - Chairman, Unilever NV; F - Camus, Phillipe - CEO, European Aeronautic Defence and Space NV; I - Caracciolo, Lucio - Director, Limes Geopolitical Review; F - Castries, Henri de - Chairman, AXA Insurance; E - Cebrian, Juan Luis - CEO, PRISA (Spanish language media company), former Chairman, International Press Institute; TR - Cemal, Hasan - Senior Columnist, Milliyet Newspaper; GB - Clarke, Kenneth - Member of Parliament (Con.), Deputy Chairman, British American Tobacco; USA - Collins, Timothy C - MD and CEO, Ripplewood Holdings LLC, Yale School of Management, Trilateral Commission; USA - Corzine, Jon S. - Senator (D, New Jersey), Chairman and CEO, Goldman Sachs; CH - Couchepin, Pascal - Former Swiss President, Head of Home affairs Dept.; GR - David, George A. - Chairman, Coca-Cola Hellenic Bottling Company SA; B - Dehaene, Jean-Luc - Former Prime Minister, Mayor of Vilvoorde; TR - Dervis, Kemal - Member of Parliament, former senior World bank official; GR - Diamantopoulou, Anna - Member of Parliament, former European Commissioner for Social Affairs; USA - Donilon, Thomas L - Vice-President, Fannie Mae, Council on Foreign Relations; I - Draghi, Mario - Vice Chairman and Managing Director, Goldman Sachs; USA - Edwards, John - Senator (D. North Carolina), Democratic Presidential Candidate; DK - Eldrup, Anders - Chairman, DONG gas company (becoming privatised) A/S; DK - Federspiel, Ulrik - Ambassador to the USA; USA - Feith, Douglas J. - Undersecretary for Policy, Department of Defense; I - Galateri, Gabriele - Chairman, Mediobanca; USA - Gates, Melinda F. - Co-Founder, Gates Foundation, wife of Bill Gates; USA - Geithner, Timothy F. - President, Federal Reserve Bank of New York; I - Giavazzi, Francesco - Professor of Economics, Bocconi University; adviser, world bank and European Central bank; IRL - Gleeson, Dermot - Chairman Allied Irish Bank Group (currently being investigated for personal and corporate tax evasion); USA - Graham, Donald E. - Chairman and CEO, Washington Post Company; USA - Haas, Richard N. - President, Council on Foreign Relations, former Director of Policy and Planning staff, State Department; NL - Halberstadt, Victor - Professor of Economics, Leiden University; B - Hansen, Jean-Pierre - Chairman, Suez Tractabel SA; S - Heikensten, Lars - Governor, Swedish Central Bank; USA - Holbrooke, Richard C - Vice Chairman, Perseus, former Director, Council on Foreign Relations, former Assistant Secretary of State; USA - Hubbard, Allen B - President E&A Industries; USA - Issacson, Walter - President and CEO, Aspen Institute; USA - Janow, Merit L. - Professor, International Economic Law and International Affairs, Columbia University; USA - Jordan, Vernon E. Senior Managing Director, Lazard Freres & Co LLC; USA - Kagan, Robert - Senior Associate, Carnegie Endowment for International Peace; GB - Kerr, John - Director, Shell, Rio Tinto, Scottish American Investment Trust; USA - Kissinger Henry A. - Chairman, Kissinger Associates Inc.; TR - Koc, Mustafa V. - Chairman, Koc Holdings AS; NL - Koenders, Bert (AG) - Member of Parliament, president, Parliamentary Network of the World Bank; USA - Kovner, Bruce - Chairman Caxton Associates LLC, Chairman, American Enterprise Institute; USA - Kravis, Henry R. - Founding Partner, Kohlberg Kravis Roberts & Co., acquisitions financier; USA - Kravis, Marie Josee - Senoir Fellow, Hudson Institute Inc.; FIN - Lehtomaki, Paula - Minister of Foreigh Trade and Development; FIN - Lipponen, Paavo - Speaker of Parliament; CHN - Long, Yongtu - Secretary General, Boao forum for Asia; P - Lopes, Pedro M. 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In addition, according to the Bilderberg.org website, two reporters ("rapporteurs") from the British publication The Economist will also be attending: Gideon Rachman, Brussels correspondent, and Adrian D. Wooldridge, the magazine's foreign correspondent.
That may afford slightly more transparency than in the past. In 1998, British free-lance journalist Campbell Thomas attempted to cover the conference in Turnberry, Scotland, for the Daily Mail. Thomas began by seeking the opinions of neighbors to the secret meeting being held nearby. One of those was a young woman who told him he was in the hotel's staff quarters and should leave immediately, which he did. A short while later, two local police officers arrested Thomas, who reportedly remained in custody for eight hours.
British journalist Jon Ronson, who is the author of a book on Bilderberg, had this to say: "I'm a sort of semi-conspiracy theorist when it comes to Bilderberg because I think they wouldn't go to that much trouble of having this incredibly expensive international conference every year and they'd go to all this trouble to keep themselves out of the press and be really secret and invite the world's most powerful people if it was just a chat and a game of golf, which is basically what they say it is. So I do think they have some impact on world affairs."
Some observers are even speculating that President Bush will make an appearance at this year's event, just as Bill Clinton did at the group's 2000 meeting. By coincidence, it just happens that Bush will be in Italy over the weekend ?
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Is it almost time for those of us who have placed our trust in Jesus Christ to be airlifted out of a world that has forgotten its God? It's certainly beginning to look that way, isn't it?
Keep looking up!
Never entrust your future to people who don't believe there will be one.Everything that people say to you is personal. Whether it is constructive criticism or not will determine whether it cam from and asshole or not.
----Bill Warbis
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Its not, not believing in a future, to believe in the concept of the rapture; Or in the rule of a diabolical world leader; or in the Second Coming at which point the future begins anew.
Its just believing that these things are part of the future; and that many of the preceding events as told by the Christ and the prophets are taking place before our eyes.
I personally would advise trusting no one with your future, except the architect of all -Yeshua ha Messiah
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