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Treatment Abuse, Behavior Modification, Thought Reform => The Troubled Teen Industry => Topic started by: Oscar on April 11, 2010, 01:36:09 AM
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My boss has me writing an "impact letter" to his son. What do you think about this?, Yahoo Answers (http://http://answers.yahoo.com/question/index?qid=20100406004154AAnoA8X)
The letter is meant to bring the kid back to reality and stop the cycle of denial.
He wrote the basics down of what he wants to say, but then he gave me his notes, and the assignment from the school and told me to write the letter.
The school is one of those boot camp type places for kids who need a lot of discipline. It is a really sad and personal situation. I feel so weird writing such a personal and emotional letter. What do you think? What can I even do about it? Nothing, right?
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One of the answers they got was...
“Interesting to note that his apparent habit of delegating and passing down his parental duties might have something to do with the problems his son has, but you can't say that to him.”
Yeah, it figures that they delegated parental responsibility to a program and would delegate this also. Maybe if the kid dies at the program this parent will send a donation in lieu of flowers (probably to STICC) and an assistant in lieu of themselves to the funeral.
"Everywhere, everywhere, children are the scorned people of the earth.“— Toni Morrison
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:shamrock: :shamrock: :shamrock:
Which goes to my whole point, of the parents responsibility.....none.
Danny
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Anyone can say that buckwheat.
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That kind of shit is why programs exist. Parents outsourcing their responsibilities. HOWEVER.......that does not, in any way, shape or form excuse or exonerate programs from the atrocities they heap upon these kids.
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What about the very committed parent that has tried everything to reach their son and has shown nothing but support and love for their child? Sometimes it is not a question of bad parenting. Sometimes it is more complicated than that.
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Anyone can say that buckwheat.
:shamrock: :shamrock:
The only problem Fat Boy is nobody does say it, including yourself. There is nothing I say that you even come close to having the balls to say.
So please stay on your politically correct road of less concern and only do what you can to get by with.
Danny
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That kind of shit is why programs exist. Parents outsourcing their responsibilities. HOWEVER.......that does not, in any way, shape or form excuse or exonerate programs from the atrocities they heap upon these kids.
:shamrock: :shamrock:
Anne spoke: "HOWEVER.......that does not, in any way, shape or form excuse or exonerate programs from the atrocities they heap upon these kids."
DannyBII spoke: I agree a 100%.......
Danny
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What about the very committed parent that has tried everything to reach their son and has shown nothing but support and love for their child? Sometimes it is not a question of bad parenting. Sometimes it is more complicated than that.
:shamrock: :shamrock:
Why would a parent send their child to these hellholds.
Danny
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That kind of shit is why programs exist. Parents outsourcing their responsibilities. HOWEVER.......that does not, in any way, shape or form excuse or exonerate programs from the atrocities they heap upon these kids.
I agree somewhat. Responsibility, yes. Moral guilt, no. Parental intentions are often good. Some parents feel they're just not good enough, and that others can do better. Programs prey on that. Whether that's out of malice and greed, misguided inherited cultic philosophy (Synanon, LifeSpring, est), gradual power corruption, or some combination of the above is up to debate but when you come down to it, parents are victims. Can you imagine the pain it causes parents who realize the truth and realize they put their kids through that? It's what I think keeps most of em from even examining the possibility. The possibility of guilt is too much. It's why a long time ago, when I realized that fact, i forgave them, and I told them I didn't hold them responsible because they were fooled. It was only they that they really started to open up. They always knew somewhere there was something wrong but couldn't admit it to themselves. The possibility of that guilt had to go before they admitted the truth to themselves and nothing cures guilt like forgiveness.
See. My philosophy is that a person cannot be found morally (not necessarily legally) guilty of a wrong if they do not believe it to be wrong. The vast majority of parents, if not the totality, have no clue what goes on in programs at the beginning and get sucked into the weirdness bit by bit under the guise that it's necessary to save their child's lives. Parents hang out with other parents and others who support the cultic mindset. They're encouraged to avoid critics of think of them as crazies, rebels, or druggies in denial. Would you as a parent deny a doctor permission to operate on your unconscious kid if he was in immediate perceived danger of dying. You don't know everything the doctor knows but surely he has the best knowledge and intentions. Most of the time it's true and parents certainly don't have all the time in the world to read enough medical books while the child lies dying. Granted there is a lot of information out there about programs but a lot of it, and yes I'm pointing to you Heal, sounds like hippie bullshit and conspiracy theories. Would you listen to some disheveled homeless guy screaming "the doctor is a quack!" in the next room?
Well what if he was? Back when I trusted in those in power i never would have believed that places like programs could exist. The first shock for me after landing in the program was "this can't be real". Turns out it was. If I hadn't actually been there and somebody from a program came up to me and told me their experiences, I probably wouldn't believe it. I might not say it (i actually probably would), but I probably wouldn't believe it... and whenever I talk to a parent about the program to this day I keep it in mind, i keep website links on hand, and I make damn sure I hold interest long enough to plant a seed of doubt. It might not be enough, and it's a lot to overcome, but it can be done, it has to be done, and it has to be done by those who were there. So the next time you talk to a parent, erase everything you know, absorb the mindset of common knowledge, and honestly ask yourself that if your child was in serious danger of dying, who would you go to for help and who would you listen to.
In other news. ISAC really needs to get back online. Does anybody have asp experience?
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This whole blame it on the parent thing is another way of dodging out on attacking the real bastards, the program owners. Going after the parents is a short term band aid on a long term problem. As long as there is someone out there willing to profit off the pain and suffering of kids, there will always be idiot parents out there willing to part with their money to fatten the wallets of the Program owners.
Now I understand the sentiment of attacking parents, I really do, but in the end it doesn't accomplish much. Programs have been shut down by going after the owners, that is something that works.
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Edited: Wednesday, October 06, 2010
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This whole blame it on the parent thing is another way of dodging out on attacking the real bastards, the program owners. Going after the parents is a short term band aid on a long term problem. As long as there is someone out there willing to profit off the pain and suffering of kids, there will always be idiot parents out there willing to part with their money to fatten the wallets of the Program owners.
Now I understand the sentiment of attacking parents, I really do, but in the end it doesn't accomplish much. Programs have been shut down by going after the owners, that is something that works.
Look, I'm all for slimming down the blah blah blah to get to the point but consider this... Irresponsible parenting is the life blood that fuels this industry. Fact is, if it weren't for the mass media fueled hysteria about the average teenager transforming into some kind of drug crazed murderous monster, these schools wouldn't even exist. The problem is too many dumbass people let their paranoia and lack of patience consume any chance they ever had at being a good parent. A good parent knows their child well enough to know what they are capable of, and that certain extreme measures aren't necessary for most teenagers because as we all know the notorious teenage years have been a constant since the dawn of time. Its just something you have to get though, there isn't enough money in the world that could prevent nature from taking its due course.
and ya know what?... I don't feel sorry for you that jr. is stealing money out of your purse to buy pot, if you weren't prepared to actually parent your child you should have never had kids in the first place.
I think it not only appropriate to lay shame on the parenting skills of a person who would stoop so low as to send their kids off, but it can also be a significantly effective strategy for "going after the industry"... in my book anyways. I know this sounds harsh, and I probably look like an asshole for saying that, but I view it as creating the kind of stigma that NEEDS to be attached to this industry in order for it to loose its popularity. If parents can't see the injustices in this industry clearly by simply hearing the truth then maybe they need to be blamed... It takes a certain level of ignorance in order to live in that kind of denile, only a sick and twisted kind of mind would wish harm upon their own children, and maybe thats what needs to be portrayed to the rest of the world in order to get them thinking. As sad as it is, some parents care more about their reputation than about the welfare of their children and for those people the best way to get their attention is to shine a spotlight on their flawed decision making. In my opinion, sending your kid off to bratcamp is just about the definition of irresponsible parenting.
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Children often blame their parents for sending them to a program. They do due this to avoid taking responsibility for drinking alcohol, smoking drugs, running away from home, stealing, skipping school, abusing animals, abusing people and manipulating people. Counselors in programs deal with these problems on a daily basis. The truth is juveniles in programs need guidance to make mature decisions that will lead them to success.
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Children often blame their parents for sending them to a program. They do due this to avoid taking responsibility for drinking alcohol, smoking drugs, running away from home, stealing, skipping school, abusing animals, abusing people and manipulating people. Counselors in programs deal with these problems on a daily basis. The truth is juveniles in programs need guidance to make mature decisions that will lead them to success.
Parents often are to blame for the kids' perceived problems. Truth is, many normal teenagers end up shipped away because their parents outsource their responsibilities.
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Do you blame your parents because they sent you to a program?
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Do you blame your parents because they sent you to a program?
I'm assuming you're speaking to me. Yes, I do. I was a normal teenager doing normal teenage stuff. I did not have a drug problem, never been in any legal trouble, screwing up in school a little but nothing major (I went to private school grades 1 - 8 and then switched to public for high school). My parents got divorced and my father didn't like the fact that he couldn't completely control my every action anymore, so he sent me to a place where they goddamned-well would control every action. Including when and how long I could sit on the can and take a shit. I was the 'lightweight' of my group of friends before going in. I had smoked some pot and drank. That's it. I was told, however, on my intake by the director that I had done cocaine numerous times and he could tell that I had done it the night before my intake. His diagnostic process?? Looking in my eyes. Somehow all those friends that I was hanging out with, the ones that Straight told me were horrible people and would end up dead/insane/in jail....ALL of them, who were doing much "worse" (using that term loosely) things than I was, turned out just fine and are living great lives to this day. They were encouraged through their troubles, not degraded and humiliated on a daily basis. They didn't have to live under a microscope. They weren't told that they were fuck-ups. They got out of adolescence with their self esteem intact. They didn't have to suffer through the PTSD that I did from my two years of incarceration. I didn't think it could get much worse than Straight. The beatings, extreme sleep deprivation, isolation from the outside world, the daily humiliation..... then I found Fornits (eons ago now) and found out that kids are actually DYING in these places. We are "helping" our children to death now.
Fact is, most of the kids I was locked up with were normal teenagers whose parents were scared out of their wits by the big bad Drug Warriors. Just like today. Look at any of the online "assessments" at the various programs' websites. They're a joke! The "symptoms" they list could apply to pretty much any teenager, which is what they want. More clients = bigger profits, which is their bottom line.
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Anne normal teenagers don't get sent to therapeutic boarding schools. You admit to drinking alcohol and smoking pot which seems like a good reason to get you professional help.
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Anne normal teenagers don't get sent to therapeutic boarding schools. You admit to drinking alcohol and smoking pot which seems like a good reason to get you professional help.
Seriously?? So, any kid who drinks or smokes pot, no matter the degree of usage, needs therapeutic intervention?? Wow. I hope you never have kids.
Yes, normal teenagers get sent away all the damn time.
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Anne normal teenagers don't get sent to therapeutic boarding schools. You admit to drinking alcohol and smoking pot which seems like a good reason to get you professional help.
Seriously?? So, any kid who drinks or smokes pot, no matter the degree of usage, needs therapeutic intervention?? Wow. I hope you never have kids.
Yes, normal teenagers get sent away all the damn time.
Anne kids who drink and smoke pot are breaking the law. Children who smoke drugs, drink put relations with other family members in jeopardy. Considering what I wrote, professional therapy could benefit juveniles so they would become emotionally stable.
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Anne kids who drink and smoke pot are breaking the law. Children who smoke drugs, drink put relations with other family members in jeopardy. Considering what I wrote, professional therapy could benefit juveniles so they would become emotionally stable.
Well, you're a piece of work aren't ya little one?
I hope you never have kids.
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Anne normal teenagers don't get sent to therapeutic boarding schools. You admit to drinking alcohol and smoking pot which seems like a good reason to get you professional help.
Nigga, please...lol.. tell it to someone who buys it.
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Froderik you are offending black people which is something I want everyone to know about. Are you a closet racist?
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Froderik you are offending black people which is something I want everyone to know about.
Ok....we know. Now what?
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Froderik you are offending black people which is something I want everyone to know about. Are you a closet racist?
No, I'm BLACK, you asshole.
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A black person who thinks it's acceptable to say "Nigga" degrades Martin Luther Kings efforts in Birmingham Alabama.
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Your MOM degrades Martin Luther Kings efforts in Birmingham Alabama..
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My boss has me writing an "impact letter" to his son. What do you think about this?, Yahoo Answers (http://http://answers.yahoo.com/question/index?qid=20100406004154AAnoA8X)
The letter is meant to bring the kid back to reality and stop the cycle of denial.
He wrote the basics down of what he wants to say, but then he gave me his notes, and the assignment from the school and told me to write the letter.
The school is one of those boot camp type places for kids who need a lot of discipline. It is a really sad and personal situation. I feel so weird writing such a personal and emotional letter. What do you think? What can I even do about it? Nothing, right?
/bump
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Anne normal teenagers don't get sent to therapeutic boarding schools. You admit to drinking alcohol and smoking pot which seems like a good reason to get you professional help.
Let us just discuss what is normal. Teenagers who drinks alcohol once they are confirmed are normal in my part of the world. In fact now where we are at war it is a matter of concern (http://http://alcoholcultureindenmark.blog.com/2010/03/14/school-schootings/) if a teenager is acting as a bomb belt is being prepared to be activated.
In our culture the parents offer the child alcohol when they are 14 or 15 years of age in relationship with the confirmation. The "Blue monday" the day after the confirmation it the first day where the teenagers enters town and drink alcohol in public for the first time. Reports from our soldiers in Afghanistan tell the story about how a sober teenager is a potential threat where it is a good idea to shoot first and then ask questions afterward. Enforcing Christianity abroad is a dangerous job. However fifth column activities mean that we have to observe possible dangers in our high schools also so we have set up traps like friday bars for the students where the administration can monitor suspicious activities among the students. Who is not interacting with their peers and etc.
I can not understand that you view a teenager who is drinking as a problem. A huge industry in Europe is the travel business which arrange binge drinking traveling as a kind of community service project in Bulgaria. Bulgaria was a you properly know among the countries which suffered the most under the 50 years of communist rule. Teenagers and young adults have helped them to rebuilt their country by buying drinks at Sunny Beach. They are today among the most developed countries in the former Eastern block. Other countries like the Czech republic are not that serviceminded (http://http://danish-xenophobia-victims.blogspot.com/2010/02/czech-republic-is-not-ready-for.html) and seem to have little understanding about what it takes to succeed, but the messsage is that you as individual can help the local economy by speinf money for alcohol.
Smoking pot is a different thing. It is not very common here because alcohol is legal. Maybe it could be an issue which should be treated. However due to the lack of professionalism in the rehab business worldwide treatment could be done outpatient as well. If you break a leg you can go down to hospital and get it fixed by someone who have studied for years. If you suffer from addiction your therapist is an amateur who in most cases have graduted a program as the only qualification. Addiction is an official registered illness. Why is it not cured by visiting a hospital just as if you have broken a leg? Shouldn't addicts be entitled to professional treatment?