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Treatment Abuse, Behavior Modification, Thought Reform => The Troubled Teen Industry => Topic started by: Jeff_Berryman on September 15, 2003, 01:20:00 PM
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Dear Melissa R.
Since you decline to E-mail me privately as I requested, I shall make this public.
Young lady, I have been an activist in this cause for six years. In that time, the only compensation I have ever received is a magazine subscription in payment for an article that I wrote. Aside from that I have NEVER recieved one penny of compensation of any kind from anyone, not in cash, nor in kind, not in favors returned nor good and valuable consideration of any kind, not from PURE as an organization nor from Sue Scheff as an individual. I do this because I care about the kids, and for no other reason. Aside from once having had a girlfriend who was a victim of institutional child abuse (Not WWASP) I have no personal irons in this fire of any kind. (Came close though. Thirty years ago my father tried to con my mother into letting him send me off to Provo Canyon. I'm kind of sorry I wasn't there for the riot.) So don't acuse me of money grubbing. If there was a way to make money off of this cause I wish someone would tell me what it is. I'd love to turn professional and quit my day job.
It seems that your issue with me is that you lump me together with PURE. Well it so happens that I know Sue Scheff a lot better than you do, and your condemnation of PURE is misplaced. The sad truth is that there are some kids out there who are a danger to themselves or others. In some cases, intervention is simply necessary, and Sue steers parents to reputable programs and away from abusive ones. You have a problem with that?
It is true of course that these kids should have the right to due process of law, represenatation by counsel, and all that other good stuff adults would expect in a similar situation. I have been working for six years to make that happen. At various times I have written, faxed, or E-mailed the entire United States Congress. I have E-mailed every major newspaper in the country, and the Los Angeles Times expose was a direct result (I was hoping for something a LOT more impressive, of course.) I maintain a contact list of more than thirty journalists and government officials whom I keep posted. My associates have things happening that should result in more media attention, and legal or legislative action on a number of fronts in the near future. I have given every spare moment to this cause for six years to make this happen, so I am DAMNED WELL ENTITLED TO YOUR RESPECT!!!!
Henceforth young lady, I will thank you to keep your sniping to yourself. Some of the other people on this board can't be held responsible for their actions, but you are clearly sane and rational and there is no excuse for this behavior on your part. If you have a problem with PURE, then E-mail Sue Scheff personally. She has no idea who you are or why you have your nose out of joint about her. Her web site is at: http://www.helpyourteens.com/ (http://www.helpyourteens.com/)
VTY
Jeff Berryman
When I mount my horse, ALL THE WINDMILLS IN SPAIN TREMBLE!
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But, at the end of the day, ya'll are still circumventing due process; flawed as the system is in this day.
The sole criteria for involuntary commitment to these facilities is still the parents stayed belief that the kid needs involuntary commitment and their ability to pay for it.
Would the same kids get the help you think they need in the criminal justice system? Don't look now, but our "friends" in high places have been working toward that goal for decades an they've made some headway. But, for the most part, no. They won't have anyone messing with their heads on the level they do in these other places, at least not under color of law or with the crazy-making appearance of legitimacy.
There is not a "fragment" in all nature, for every relative fragment of one thing is a full harmonious unit in itself.
-- John Muir
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Jeff- what was your purpose, if not marketing, to add the PURE link?
What was your role in the wwasps vs pure court hearing? Your name is on the documents? I don't trust you or your word at this time.
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PURe has still not divulged which programs they refer to, so thinking they are better is only your opinion. Their whole website doesn't give credibiilty to what they are doing. It's just another "slam" site as far as I'm concerned.
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In no way, Jeff, has my opinion of you changed. Not one bit. Simply because you're a candid speaker, (and you have a big mouth I should add) should I all of a sudden believe you.... I know better, I read up on things, and I simply don't trust you. I didn't want to go to war with you, but nagging me for information about Adam Wolfe to use against WWASP is not okay. I feel that with the Adam Wolfe situation, it would be wrong to commercialize the loss of my friend so you, Sue, Satan, whoever the hell else you're associated with make a quick dollar. AS they say.... Fuhgeddaboutit!
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^---------Melissa
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Jeff has to support Sue. If they go down, they go down together.
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Jeff wrote: "Henceforth young lady, I will thank you to keep your sniping to yourself. Some of the other people on this board can't be held responsible for their actions, but you are clearly sane and rational and there is no excuse for this behavior on your part."
Jeff - is this some sort of threat? It's hard to tell for sure?
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Jeff,
Well said! I appreciate all that you do,have done on behalf of the kids.I know that you care and that you work tirelessly to strive to make a difference.
Thank you! thank you! thank you!
Thanks for sharing the Tico Times article too.
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Furthermore, JEFF... I do NOT appreciate your grilling me publicly. I did not even SEE your request that I email you until there was a whole topic about me. I am 17 years old and I do not appreciate being threatened by you. I don't trust you, you remind me of program staff, honestly. Sue can kiss my ass. I don't care if she knows who I am or not, it makes no difference, I know what SHE is all about, I know what YOU are all about... END OF STORY. You should be ashamed of yourself, Jeff. Because I would not tell you about a tremendous loss I have suffered, you throw a temper tantrum and go as far as to THREATEN ME? What, are you broke? Can't pay the rent? I will NEVER, EVER associate with ANYONE who is untrustworthy such as you are. Holy shit, you say you're not involved with PURE... then why is your name ALL OVER THE LAWSUITS!? Don't take advantange of me, Mr. Berryman! I am kindly requesting that you remove that attack from the forum, and I can promise you that if you choose to leave it up, there will be consequences. I PROMISE YOU THAT, seventeen or not!
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Exactly what in my posting do you perceive as a threat?
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Jeff, very not cool to go off on mellissa like that. If you want respect then your gonna have to show her some respect. Your not helping by yelling at her publicly on this board. I would appreciate it if you apoligized and took off the post about mellissa. I might not know much about her but i know shes only helped, and she definatley deserves my support-i gotcha back-
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Jeff - :wave: :wave: :wave:
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this is Devlin Graves. Those out there who know me will know the name. I am posting annonimisly because i am just too lazy to regester. Anyway your attack on Melessa R. was uncalled for Jeff. You should appoilgize to her immeadieatly. Both you and Sue have told me to back away from PURE. I have for now as there are bigger fish to deal with now. When Mountain Park is gone and WWASP is gone PURE is next. Rest be asssured they are on my hit list for programs/referal agencys to close. I have always been suspiciouse of you Jeff, Why does out name come up so many times along with PURE? Now you FUCKED up WWASP'IES dont look at me as no friend i am your not on your side. I hope WWASP and PURE sues each other out of busness!!!! Pass this message along to Sue please, Tell her as long as she runs PURE the way she is doing now they are on the list. By that i mean when i first hit her site i see the apporoved escort list! What the FUCK!!!!
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If she won't show me respect, why should I respect her? Why is it all right for her to flame me and anyone else she feels like, but not the reverse? I'm not getting any apologies, so why should I make any?
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I am beginning to strongly suspect that Melissa R is actually an alter ego of Carey Bock. My "attack" was largely an experiment to try to prove this theory. I don't claim it's proven, but I'm more suspicious than ever. The attitudes are similar, the preconceived notions are similar, the vitriol tastes pretty much the same. As for Devlin Graves, he lost my respect a long time ago.
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Jeff, you are mistaken. Melissa and I are not one in the same.
It does not surprise me that you accuse me of posting under two different names. You make all kinds of accusations based on what you "think" to be the case.
It must be really uncomfortable for you to have to be so paranoid.
[ This Message was edited by: Carey on 2003-09-16 06:59 ]
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Anon,
Jeff's request to Melissa to keep her sniping to herself, sounds like just that . A REQUEST.
No need to create a argument over requests.
There are bigger problems in our world.
Get a grip and strive toward working together .
Melissa, If you are who you say you are hook up with the law firm to REALLY make a difference.
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Melissa, If you are who you say you are hook up with the law firm to REALLY make a difference.
Some of us can't or won't hook up with the law firm because of Sue's affiliation with them. If one is going to stand up for the rights of children, then they should do it across the board. They should not substitute one bad for another.
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Carey,
That is an ignorant commnet,misconception.
You snooze you looze.....
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Naming calling in itself is ignorant, it ususally means you can't argue your case.
By the way, learn how to spell if you are going to call someone ignorant.
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Carey,
I did'nt call YOU ignorant .I stated your comment was ignorant. As in lack of knowledge.
Uninformed,unaware.Not having all of the facts.
You are incorrect in assuming Sue is Huron.
Huron is handling this case with confidence.
They will achieve what they have set out to accomplish.
Sue is not the issue.Holding wwasp accountable is.
Get over the Sue thing. Move forward.
What is a better way to hold the perpetrators of abuse,inhumane treatment of kids accountable than to support each other?
How are YOU making a difference in this quest?
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You are incorrect in assuming Sue is Huron.
You seem to be the one doing the assuming.
Where did I say Sue is Huron? I did not say that. Sue is very involved, as are her attorneys with Huron. I choose not to be a part of that. I will not fight one bad apple with another bad apple.
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That was me.
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Carey,
Again.What are you choosing to do to help the children still incarcerated in the Program?
I see lots of comments ,very little positive action.
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Some one writes:
Some of us can't or won't hook up with the law firm because of Sue's affiliation with them. If one is going to stand up for the rights of children, then they should do it across the board. They should not substitute one bad for another.
For anyone considering the class action; who feels they disapprove of Sue and/or her business; Rest assured, you needn?t have anything to do with one, to take part in the other.
They are not affiliated or connected.
It really has nothing to do with her.
Its intierly possible to call and request information, and give information, and never hear or speak her name.
No one with the law firm would care what you think about her; or if you know her - its a complete non factor.
Also, like any client, you would have attorney/client privilege - no one would be gossiping about who you are, or that you called or what you said - Just not gonna happen.
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They are not affiliated or connected.
Are you saying that Sue is not involved in the class action law suit that is being filed? Are you saying that her attorneys have not provided the Huron Law group with information?
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I can't remember WHERE I read it, so I can't PROVE it, but it was stated as fact when I saw it - Jeffery Berryman,(maybe?) wrote it somewhere.
It had to do with the class action being filed in direct relation to the wwasp vs pure court hearing. Kind of a retaliation, of sorts.
Wish I could be more definite and specific. Sorry, if this is not the case.
Maybe it doesn't matter....but I am not going to get sucked into this web of deceit.
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There are folks with whom I would not want to be too closely affiliated and who I'm pretty sure would jump right onto a class action against Straight, DFAF or whoever we could manage to drop a class action on. Doesn't matter who I'm talking about so please don't anyone make a mountain out of that mole hill. I'm sure there are folks who feel just the same about me.
That, however, would not stop me from joining in the action. Ya'll only need to look at the cause of action and decide whether or not it's apropriate and worthwhile for you to join. It doesn't matter what else is going on in the frey.
The WWASPies seem to be operating under the delusion that all this criticizm springs from Sue and PURE, even though it dates back to long before Sue ever put her daughter in a WWASP facility. This, of course, is a bizarre thing to believe. But don't let their monkey wrenching keep you from doing what your concience and intilect tell you you ought to.
"Narcotics have been systematically scapegoated and demonized. The idea that anyone can use drugs and escape a horrible fate is an anathema to these idiots. I predict that in the near future right-wingers will use drug hysteria as a pretext to set up an international police apparatus."
--William S. Burroughs
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I have been talking directly with Huron law firm for many months now. Sue and PURE have nothing to do with this class action suit. Huron has been in contact with Sue and her lawyers to get background information, and that is all. Sue has her own law suit going on. Huron does not represent her.
This is a suit to hold WWASP accountable for things they have done to many of us and our children.
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Are you saying that Sue is not involved in the class action law suit that is being filed? Are you saying that her attorneys have not provided the Huron Law group with information?
I would still like the questions answered.
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Yes Carey, Sue is involved. As much as the rest of us that have provided them with information.
And yes Carey, her lawyers have provided them with info also.
What is your point?
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Really it was just a question. Someone in this tread stated that Sue was in no way affiliated with the class action law suit. I wanted to know if that is truely the case. Obviously it is not. Thanks for answering the question...given your answer is accurate.
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Carey - why don't you answer the question of what you are doing to help kids currently in programs? We know what others are doing - what is your plan of action?
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Carey,
You are only hurting your own children by not allowing them to participate in a lawsuit- why is it your decision? - they were the ones held by WWASP
OOps I forgot it was all about what everyone has done to hurt you.
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i dont care about what others think. When you claimed i lost your respect is when i first spoke against Sue and i also was asking my sorces of your connection to PURE. I never could confirm your connection, but i came close. I still think you are neck deep in PURE. Hopefully WWASP will do some good for a change (instead of evil) and expose you and Sue Schefe (PURE). U are all lucky Mountain Park is taking all my time and energy. However i am monitering things and when i am freed up i am looking in PURE'S direction. That will be soon we almost got Mountain Park gone.
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No, you lost my respect a long time earlier. Shortly after we spoke on the phone, in fact.