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#1 Post by Guest » Wed Jun 19, 2002 7:45 pm
Some of you know that the current staff and former staff that worked and still do at Elan went through the program themselve's.
But the question is do you know why they were sent to Elan in the first place?
Jeffery Gottlieb was sent to Elan for drug abuse and other petty crimes which associate with drugs.He is a director up there to this date and has no qualifications to work with troubled teenagers except what he learned at Elan
Marc Rosenberg also another director was sent to Elan for the same reason's as Jeffery but never seemed to be able to stop his drug problem.The man even brings drugs to work with him and is an abuser towards females.Rosenberg was areested in the mid 90's for spousel abusive and possesion of a controlled dangerous substance.Great to know are kids are in such safe hands huh?
Martin Kruglik "Marty" was sent to Elan school for molesting a small child in the early 70's.He was facing a long jail term if he didn't attend Elan school.During his stay at Elan Marty and Joe Ricci became very good friends and Joe offered him a job to work there.After Marty completed Elan he feared for his life to go back home due to the nature of his outrageous crime.So he was more then happy to liv in Maine and work at Elan.
So do you still think Elan is a good place to send your kids?Before you decide to send them there, you should ask yourself, are my kids safe in the hands of these criminals that run this place?
#2 Post by Guest » Wed Aug 28, 2002 10:59 am
how about the guy who used to piss shit and throw up in his hands and then throw it on people.
or the time they tied him to the chair with restaints and then his sp's dumped him down the stairs while still tied to the chair.
or the time when two kids ran away from elan 3 and the strength sent after them from elan 7 beat the living shit out of them in the woods, and never told staff, how do i know, i was one of them( the strength).
or the time when one of the children there was sexually molested by a staff memeber and they covered it up by sending him to another house.....
the list keeps getting bigger....
and bigger.....
#3 Post by Guest » Sun Dec 22, 2002 6:52 pm
"or the time when one of the children there was sexually molested by a staff memeber and they covered it up by sending him to another house..... "
Would this staff member have the name Marty Kruglik?If a male was molested then that sounds like the work of Martin Kruglik.
If it was a female student who got molested then that would be th work of Linda Roy."Fuckin Dike"
This was this feamle resident there at my time that got pregnant by one of the councilers and they gave her a speedy graduation.The counciler was let go and nothing every came of it.I beleive that the female student was 18 yrs old, so i guess Elan saw nothing wrong with it because she was an adult.
Every one of the staff members that work there have a shady back ground,some are very serious.Why parents send their kids there and leave them in the care of these people I will never know.
You know it's just a matter of time before Marty's sexual erges kick in and he goes after another male student.I think all the male and feamle students should be issued mace in case a staff member becomes sexual frustrated and rapes them.
#4 Post by davbetz » Sat Jan 11, 2003 11:29 am
This couldn't possibly be the same Elan I was at in the 80's.Allthough what you mentioned was not appropriate, Much worse things happened there. I witnessed a close fried die in the boxing ring. Phil was a Coordinator Trainee,who complained of headaches. The Staff felt he was malingering so as not have to be C.O.D. and give haircuts from the incident book. it all boiled down to a GM and Phil was put into the ring. after 2 rounds, he fell to the floor, started vomiting and was dead. The next day, they had that hack they called a nurse come tell us he died of an anorism. There were far too many attrocities for me to post here, People on house rejection in the dead of winter, people scrubbing out dumpsters with tooth brushes. And a post above told of "strengths" beating a splitee. This was a common practice. Trackers were give what was called "open physical violence" against anyone who ran away. The house I was in was Elan 7 aka the State house. Many degrading and yes abusive things happened there. Even when you walked in the door, you were made to clean toilets with your bare hands. It was like being thrust into an alien world. I'll agree, there was some "bad" staff there, but remember, they didn't do much of the dirty work, they had us, the residents to run the asylum.
I hope things have gotten better there. They used to call themselves the "Last Resort". It's like no resort I ever want to return to..... :skull:
What are politicians going to tell people when the Constitution is gone and we still have a drug problem?
--William Simpson
#5 Post by Guest » Tue Feb 18, 2003 12:37 pm
You are a fucking idiot. The people who run the school may have fucked up backgrounds, even though i know Marty never raped a kid, but who cares? They saved my life. Just because you were too big of a pansy to make it through the program and someone hurt your petty feelings doesnt mean you have the right to degrade them. And for the guy who said your friend died of an aneurism from the ring, please please please. Spare me. One student died from Meningitis, maybe that was him. But i have a feeling that if Elan KILLED someone, well there would be some legal issues you liar. That is what all of you are, liars. So grow up and leave people alone, it HURTS FEELINGS.
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#6 Post by Guest » Wed Feb 19, 2003 12:16 am
Where do you get the impression that these folks didn't graduate?
#7 Post by Guest » Fri Feb 21, 2003 11:53 am
:wstupid:
Blame. A strong word. Who can you blame? Create a mathematical equation blame=who? Blame Elan. Blame your parents? Blame yourself for getting yourself put into Elan through your own actions? Blame your Grand parents for having your parents and in turn you. Truth is there is no one to blame. Perhaps the people who go to Elan are there for another reason. Perhaps it served as a holding tank, so those inside could aviod another possible destiny. Perhaps if they hadn't been in Elan they would have done something that would have got them killed on the outside. Perhaps, this was all part of a grand plan, someone else's plan for us. Keep a diary, maybe it will help you to unlock the secrets of your own twisted life. Truth is, every where yo go there you are. When you turn around, your all alone.
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Elan's purpose was to change people and change people it did. I saw kids come in as something, and leave as something completely different. It was unbelievable but later on in college psychology it reminded me of Pavlov's dog. Good or bad I don't know. I still lack the self- confidence to judge for my self. I guess Peter Rowe was right when he said to me " you cannot compete with everyone". I didn't see life as a competition then, and i still don't today. Perhaps, competiton is whats wrong with society. If we could all help each other instead of trying to one-up one another, we could all get a lot further together.
#8 Post by Guest » Sat Feb 22, 2003 6:38 am
you state that elan's purpose was to change people and it did.
There are people in prison,there are people who roam the earth as emotional cripples,and there are some people that are dead. All for having been "changed" by elan .
I beg to differ with you as to what elan's purpose was .elan's purpose was to make money ,at the expense of the aforementioned people,and many others
ricci and his confederates got very wealthy by running the biggest scam on parents and states ,while psychologically and physically abusing the people that were intrusted to them (to save ). It is a sad that ricci is not alive to have all this reality shoved down his throat as he is led to prison .
There is still hope (closure) that elan will be shotdown and his (ricci's) cretins that are still alive that ran it, will be put in prison for the rest of their natural ,and hopefully long lives.
kruglik,gotlieb,zaretzky,mccann will be judged (eventually)and may God have mercy on their souls.Yet it would be nice to see them get long prison sentances before that time arrives (closure)at least for me.
Pizzazz
#9 Post by Guest » Sat Feb 22, 2003 12:31 pm
I would like to see Marty executed by a firing squad.After all he did rape a 9 year old boy and sodomize him.Who knows how many other vitums are out there.
#10 Post by Guest » Thu Feb 27, 2003 3:47 pm
I was messing around on the computer and just happened to come across this section on elan. now i call myself "realness" cause that is exsactly the same thing that elan could not stand about me i refused to fall in that trap that i saw when i first entered that hell hole. i was a resident of elan and i left there finally after 3 years but not with some stupid ass graduation (which is cheep as fuck considering that the fuking place cost so much to be there) and some phony ass dipolma. i left that bitch with something and the only thing that will benifit me in the future a high school dipolma, which not to mention the school there is currupt as shit. i have seen the most stupid people that could not even read get diplomas. all the staff at that place hated me they did not trust me they could not stand me and they practically handed me my diploma (which i bairley did shit in school to get it but thats ok cause i always been street smart and have been through so much shit in my life thats why i saw right threw the fake shit elan tried to throw at me)and kicked me out. they even moved my release date up one month because they wanted me out.
I read through some of the shit that people put on this and some of it is stupid shit that if anybody would believe it is just fuking stupid and to all those people that keep putting that shit down grow the fuck up and get a life cause i know what your doing but your it wrong so let me show you how to do this, kid! dont lie just tell the truth about the fuking place that is all you need to do cause the place is fuked up. now i wish i could reveal who i am but for some reason i have a feeling that pete rowe faggot ass (i might not have time to put all the shit about pete rowe but if you really want to know respond to me i will tell you how he was fuking a girl named Cary Fabaini and i will explain it to you in detail then you can tell me what you think!)is reading this shit to see what is said about him and all the other staff and after reading this there jaws will drop and then they will see that the "Realness" has been exposed. This is directly to pete "you did always sat that it comes out in the wash, HAHA!!!) i know every thing about How pete fuked a staff named Tracy who was under the caring hands of pete when she was a resident i know about deb the staff that was just a fuking slut that fuked all the staff and two residents Ryan Blair and the famous Al Gould (you know petes ass budy that pete sweet his balls all day long and talk about him but really pete and Al were huge contracts and i could tell you more that that too!) and if you wonder how do i know all this shit is cause there was a point were i pretended that i was invested in the program and pete and me were cool as shit and then when me and him really started to know eachother that is when i saw what pete was really about it did not really surpise me because i always knew that there was some shady shit behind the scene. So if you dont believe me ask me anything that went down in elan from 1998-2001. and to those pussy motherfuckers that catch feelings reading this talking about how elan saved your life and that i dont know what the fuck i am talking about suck a dick. elan works for some peole mabey for you but not me elan could not handel "realness". i know someone out there wants to know who i am but i am going to let the exposed people suffer bitch. i am like 50 cent i am going to bring a cange to this shit call "THE ELAN SCOOL".
This should refresh someones memory, Guess whos back? a member of the "FAM"
LISTEN CARFULLY YOU CAN HEAR THE EXPOSED PEOPLES JAW DROP. FUCKERS, I ALWAYS GET THE LAST WORD, SO DONT REACT TO THAT SHIT PUSSY!!!!!!!
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#11 Post by Guest » Thu Feb 27, 2003 3:47 pm
I was messing around on the computer and just happened to come across this section on elan. now i call myself "realness" cause that is exsactly the same thing that elan could not stand about me i refused to fall in that trap that i saw when i first entered that hell hole. i was a resident of elan and i left there finally after 3 years but not with some stupid ass graduation (which is cheep as fuck considering that the fuking place cost so much to be there) and some phony ass dipolma. i left that bitch with something and the only thing that will benifit me in the future a high school dipolma, which not to mention the school there is currupt as shit. i have seen the most stupid people that could not even read get diplomas. all the staff at that place hated me they did not trust me they could not stand me and they practically handed me my diploma (which i bairley did shit in school to get it but thats ok cause i always been street smart and have been through so much shit in my life thats why i saw right threw the fake shit elan tried to throw at me)and kicked me out. they even moved my release date up one month because they wanted me out.
I read through some of the shit that people put on this and some of it is stupid shit that if anybody would believe it is just fuking stupid and to all those people that keep putting that shit down grow the fuck up and get a life cause i know what your doing but your it wrong so let me show you how to do this, kid! dont lie just tell the truth about the fuking place that is all you need to do cause the place is fuked up. now i wish i could reveal who i am but for some reason i have a feeling that pete rowe faggot ass (i might not have time to put all the shit about pete rowe but if you really want to know respond to me i will tell you how he was fuking a girl named Cary Fabaini and i will explain it to you in detail then you can tell me what you think!)is reading this shit to see what is said about him and all the other staff and after reading this there jaws will drop and then they will see that the "Realness" has been exposed. This is directly to pete "you did always sat that it comes out in the wash, HAHA!!!) i know every thing about How pete fuked a staff named Tracy who was under the caring hands of pete when she was a resident i know about deb the staff that was just a fuking slut that fuked all the staff and two residents Ryan Blair and the famous Al Gould (you know petes ass budy that pete sweet his balls all day long and talk about him but really pete and Al were huge contracts and i could tell you more that that too!) and if you wonder how do i know all this shit is cause there was a point were i pretended that i was invested in the program and pete and me were cool as shit and then when me and him really started to know eachother that is when i saw what pete was really about it did not really surpise me because i always knew that there was some shady shit behind the scene. So if you dont believe me ask me anything that went down in elan from 1998-2001. and to those pussy motherfuckers that catch feelings reading this talking about how elan saved your life and that i dont know what the fuck i am talking about suck a dick. elan works for some peole mabey for you but not me elan could not handel "realness". i know someone out there wants to know who i am but i am going to let the exposed people suffer bitch. i am like 50 cent i am going to bring a cange to this shit call "THE ELAN SCOOL".
This should refresh someones memory, Guess whos back? a member of the "FAM"
LISTEN CARFULLY YOU CAN HEAR THE EXPOSED PEOPLES JAW DROP. FUCKERS, I ALWAYS GET THE LAST WORD, SO DONT REACT TO THAT SHIT PUSSY!!!!!!!
#12 Post by Maren » Sat Mar 01, 2003 1:17 am
:em:
#13 Post by Guest » Sat Mar 01, 2003 3:04 pm
to whoever put the above statement has no fucking clue what they are talking about why dont you state your name so "realness" can get a peice mother fucker!!!
#14 Post by Guest » Tue Mar 04, 2003 4:16 am
On 2003-02-27 07:47:00, Anonymous wrote:
"I was messing around on the computer and just happened to come across this section on elan. now i call myself "realness" cause that is exsactly the same thing that elan could not stand about me i refused to fall in that trap that i saw when i first entered that hell hole. i was a resident of elan and i left there finally after 3 years but not with some stupid ass graduation (which is cheep as fuck considering that the fuking place cost so much to be there) and some phony ass dipolma. i left that bitch with something and the only thing that will benifit me in the future a high school dipolma, which not to mention the school there is currupt as shit. i have seen the most stupid people that could not even read get diplomas. all the staff at that place hated me they did not trust me they could not stand me and they practically handed me my diploma (which i bairley did shit in school to get it but thats ok cause i always been street smart and have been through so much shit in my life thats why i saw right threw the fake shit elan tried to throw at me)and kicked me out. they even moved my release date up one month because they wanted me out.
I read through some of the shit that people put on this and some of it is stupid shit that if anybody would believe it is just fuking stupid and to all those people that keep putting that shit down grow the fuck up and get a life cause i know what your doing but your it wrong so let me show you how to do this, kid! dont lie just tell the truth about the fuking place that is all you need to do cause the place is fuked up. now i wish i could reveal who i am but for some reason i have a feeling that pete rowe faggot ass (i might not have time to put all the shit about pete rowe but if you really want to know respond to me i will tell you how he was fuking a girl named Cary Fabaini and i will explain it to you in detail then you can tell me what you think!)is reading this shit to see what is said about him and all the other staff and after reading this there jaws will drop and then they will see that the "Realness" has been exposed. This is directly to pete "you did always sat that it comes out in the wash, HAHA!!!) i know every thing about How pete fuked a staff named Tracy who was under the caring hands of pete when she was a resident i know about deb the staff that was just a fuking slut that fuked all the staff and two residents Ryan Blair and the famous Al Gould (you know petes ass budy that pete sweet his balls all day long and talk about him but really pete and Al were huge contracts and i could tell you more that that too!) and if you wonder how do i know all this shit is cause there was a point were i pretended that i was invested in the program and pete and me were cool as shit and then when me and him really started to know eachother that is when i saw what pete was really about it did not really surpise me because i always knew that there was some shady shit behind the scene. So if you dont believe me ask me anything that went down in elan from 1998-2001. and to those pussy motherfuckers that catch feelings reading this talking about how elan saved your life and that i dont know what the fuck i am talking about suck a dick. elan works for some peole mabey for you but not me elan could not handel "realness". i know someone out there wants to know who i am but i am going to let the exposed people suffer bitch. i am like 50 cent i am going to bring a cange to this shit call "THE ELAN SCOOL".
This should refresh someones memory, Guess whos back? a member of the "FAM"
LISTEN CARFULLY YOU CAN HEAR THE EXPOSED PEOPLES JAW DROP. FUCKERS, I ALWAYS GET THE LAST WORD, SO DONT REACT TO THAT SHIT PUSSY!!!!!!!
cary fabiani is such a whore. i actually feel bad that she had to fuck pete rowe in the coordinators thatt fine sunday afternoon. let's be serious. how often have you seen pete rowe come in on a sunday. cary!!!! get your shit together.
#15 Post by Guest » Tue Mar 04, 2003 4:32 am
i just wanted to let people know that that ronnie dorsa is the sexiest man i ever laid eyes on. if any body else feels this way. pleas say something
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#16 Post by Guest » Tue Mar 04, 2003 4:39 am
i'll tell you my name if you tell me yours.
#17 Post by Guest » Tue Mar 04, 2003 5:22 am
hey, this m.kyle hart and ronnie dorsa from the infamous family. we found this site today from our good friend danny lavelle. ronnie and myself really hope that didn't happen cary.Talia me and ronnie love you sweetie. hey marv, we love you man!!! hey cary, we hope your doing good. danny prager , we all know that you lied about everything in there except how touched your little sister and sucked dick for coke, we know all about it you disgusting fagggot. nobody likes you. hey kate birney, ronnie wants my sloppy seconds and he wants you to move out to new york that was the nastiest thing i've ever done. please get yourself together, your fowl. does anybody miss us???lavelle says hi!!to pete rowe:i'm on my second semester of college and i'm already more successful than you. ronnie says:your not hard just because you listen to rap pete and i'll kick the shit out of you(except for kyle) no one liked you you fucking poser. .also, chinese lettering tattoos went out in the early nineties brotha.FROM KYLE: to pete and tonia and everyone else. i'm doing great!!!!i'm sorry to disappoint you that i'm not dead or jail yet but wat can i say. i'm the fucking greatest ramrod of kitchen ever to come there.and to all the people that were always there for me and saved my life, you know who you are. i love ya me and ronnie both know the reason your on marv's dick. does ten grand a month sound familiar.Ronnie would like to give a shout out to all the hoes in the female dorms .
#18 Post by ehm » Tue Mar 04, 2003 5:38 am
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#19 Post by Guest » Tue Mar 04, 2003 9:36 pm
no, that's just the way i am. what did you go there for. oh yeah , being a slutty whore. you know our name, what's your's you dirty cunt. sporto? yeah, your cool
#20 Post by Guest » Thu Apr 03, 2003 10:35 am
hey kyle how the fuck are you man?its Andrina, :rofl: this website is funny as hell.
if anyone wants to mingle email me at em0azfk@aol.com
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#21 Post by Powerful Attitude » Fri Apr 04, 2003 6:05 am
I'm not from ELAN, can't even say I know what the hell it's all about. I assume it is some deranged place that no one cares to do anything about, and who the hell expects anyone to help. I can gather that you all are fresh meat, I mean, just got out of whatever the hell it was. How about you assholes filling me in about ELAN cause it really seems to have fucked you up. Yeah, I thought I would check out ELAN, see what the hell it was all about, but I ended up finding some really stupid shit from some really ignorant, young, dumb, mother fuckers who can?t see shit. My point is why don?t ya?ll tell me about this f------place instead of cussing each other out, because I would really like to hear about it. Comprehension Mother Fuckers? I forgot to write stupid in front of that. I guess y?all will get the point here shortly. I came here to take the heat if you want to cuss at someone just to ventilate, you prick, and well here I am. Bring it on Punk. You really sound like some young ass punks talking that smack. Can?t even say you know the taste. If there are any sensible humans among you, please post something intelligent. Or else I will have to make a post for all you called ?fucking idiots?. Some of your posts are just sick, black, and demented. Who in the hell is talking to you up there? Comprehension? Lay off your brothers and sisters .
Seriously, tell me about ELAN. And post something worth wanting to look at cause I can?t even tell what you?re all about.
When I first got out of the dungeon, I sounded like an insane man, too
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#22 Post by dterrel » Mon Apr 07, 2003 6:54 pm
I'll tell you a little about this place. Elan is a place for teen-agers who have little to no respect for authority. They attempt to try to change our lives, partly, but ultimately, Elan forces us to change each other. As far as I am concerned, I hated the place, but I tried to fake it so that I could get out. It would not have worked, had the court order not have already expired when I turned 18, but since I WAS 19 when I graduated, they knew that I had to get the hell out of Dodge. I was only an coordinator trainee, and everyone thought that I would fail when I left. They were right, temporarily. I failed miserably, getting kicked out of Iowa State University for grades, mostly because of the drinking and the fraternity (Theta Xi,) but that is just an excuse. What I really needed, Elan could not give to me. I just needed to grow up, experience life myself, I always pick myself up somehow.
I do want the world to know that Elan isn't as bad as everyone says it is, because I did see a lot of people leave there that really made a positive change in their lives. The cost of living there is pricey, but if that is what it takes for some people to change, so be it. There are bad people there, people that really have no chance to be anything but criminals, but at least graduating from Elan gives them a faint glimmer of hope for something differant. The one thing that really makes me mad about Elan is the fact that when a person leaves/graduates from there, after 24 to 30 months of intense supervision, when you leave you have no direction as to what the hell you want to do. I wanted to go to school, mostly because I am really smart, and I was harassed about how smart I was by everyone. I went to school at that time for them, not for me. If there was a way to change that, it would be great, but unfortunately, change, for the most part, is a horrendous event to undertake.
Just so that you know, I am back in school now, and I graduate in June, and start grad school in september. I have a great GPA, and I am actively involved in the Student Senate, Student Tutoring Services, Best Buddies of Iowa, Blood Center Events Coordination, I bartend 12-16 hours a week, and I am an administrative assistant for the Iowa DNR full time. I have got my shit together, I just needed to do it for me, not anyone else.
Reply at dterrel_dm@hamiltonia.edu
#23 Post by Powerful Attitude » Tue Apr 08, 2003 4:02 am
On 2003-04-07 11:54:00, dterrel wrote:
"I'll tell you a little about this place.
Thanks a lot for some insight. I'm impressed you didn't respond badly to my statements. Very impressive! What kind of tight supervision were you under? 24--30 months is a killer. Were all subjected to this time frame? I can understand "fakin' it" you had to, always looking to the day of freedom. That's just the way it was. Apply or die inside. Good move on the education. I'd like to hear a little more about how you survived, it sounds like you have some direction. Talk to you later.
#24 Post by dterrel » Mon Apr 14, 2003 8:47 pm
On 2003-04-07 21:02:00, Powerful Attitude wrote:
What kind of tight supervision were you under? 24--30 months is a killer.
Every day, awake at 8:00, asleep at 12:00. Rarely away from staff supervision. NO CONTACT BETWEEN MALE and FEMALE (this includes both physical and emotional)!!! This was the killer, and way painful, hopefully I am not the only one that agrees! When people ask about where I went to high school, I let them either look for themselves on the elan website, or if it is someone that I really do not care about, I tell them that it was like a military school. This, for all intensive purposes, is a lie, but if you were to compare the differences between elan and a military school, you will see quite a bit of similarities. If we are bad, we get PT (Physical Training) and are forced to "GI" everything (from toilets, sinks, floors, once, peter rowe left someone in the toilets GI'ing for about eight hours, talk about cruelty!) Sometimes, if you break a serious enough rule, you get "in a ring" with a guy that is obviously bigger than you, much like being confronted by drill sarge! There are "rats" and "finks" there as well, who seem to pleasure in your pain/misfortune, I'd like to call them MP's. There is a "headcount" of the people, this occurs EVERY TEN MINUTES during certain times of the day. There are guards (who are not the smartest people in the world, by the way ***NIGHTOWL MAKE A RUN PLEASE!!***) and they are stationed in each house at night, and sentry around the campus. The thing is, that it is necessary to take all of these precautions, because, like me, there were a lot of court ordered people there who were a great flight-risk and there are several accounts in which someone ran from Elan and either died or was raped, or never heard from again. Although I would have never run (I enjoy life more than freedom), there was one instance in which someone from our house ran (Nick Thompson) and that was a big reality check for all those people that were involved in that incident.
I can't stress enough how hard it was for 99% of the people that were there, as it is an experience that would sober a 25-year drug addiction in less than a week flat. There is one more thing that I would like to point out. "Image." I hated that shit. "Oh, that's your image coming out," or "You need to stop imaging out!" Man, that shit was the most annoying demand that anyone could have possibly placed. Some people (will not say any names, Rick Diaz) had a big problem with this, but in no sense at all was this a legitimate demand on someone. If we wanted to be more accurate, people should have said "be yourself, not what you think others will like." There was an incident that sticks out in my mind, to explain this better. A friend, Whitney long, has always been a big fan of classic rock (greatful dead, pink floyd, etc.) and I really do not see anything wrong with this. He is excellent at drawing. Part of the work that we were required to do was to put artwork on posterboard saying something specific about the area of the house that you work in. Whitney had a CD case (I think it was the case for Shakedown Street, Greatful Dead) and this had a really detailed drawing of a 3D street and other things as well (NO DRUG REFERENCES, A CERTAIN STAFF LIED ABOUT THIS TO TANYA S!) Whitney drew and colored this as his artwork, and these guys took whitney's position for it, and made him admit that he made drug references when he didn't. This was quite possibly the best piece of art that I ever saw at Elan, but they hated him because he could draw?! They shot him down because of a stupid drawing, which "brought out his image." Just because he likes the music. You know what, I like metal. I really, really like Metal. I had APPROPRIATE (no swearing, drug references, etc.) cd's that were taken away, yet others could have tupac, biggie, etc. These guys would always make Matt Webb (another person that likes metal, even more than I do) be my roommate. I didn't mind that, because we were the only two people (in the entire complex, i think) that like metal. We sort of had a little contract (comfortability issue). What I cannot believe is that they were angry at us because of the contract, like they did not set us up to fail in the first place. This idiot (who was in charge of the dorm charts) didn't like me, as I have always been a smart-ass, and non-conformist. I didn't "fit-in" with his master plan.
In other words, at elan, the people who are the most successful are the ones that pretend, until they are out. In real life, people have personality traits that sometimes take on the form of the culture that they grew up in. It is not "image" or "contracting out," I wish that people could discern between the two. The other type of person who does well is on one of Peter Rowe's sports teams. I have never seen favoritism in such an extreme case as I see in these people who are atheletes. Man, you remember your star, your diamond in the rough? Remember mr rick diaz? I think a little bird told me that he's not doing so well. Won't say as to the extent, but where's you star now, Mr. Rowe? If you should ever read this, I want you to know that out of all the staff I had the pleasure dealing with, I hate you. I would rather be on fear factor with a funnel in my mouth feeding me human excrement than to see you again. I used to have a picture of you that I have glued to my dart board at home, and for the first six months after elan, it would give me great pleasure throwing a dart through your head (it gave me a bullseye!)
Anywho, that is more negative than I have been in a few months, I should stop while I am ahead!
Peace, love and all those things! I hope that all elan survivors are doing well, go bucs!
Ps. Is elan seven not the greatest house in the world? I don't remember ever losing a carnival while I was there, did we (1995-1997)? I hope everyone is doing well!
~Doug Terrel~
#25 Post by Guest » Tue Apr 15, 2003 5:38 pm
Your a fucking faggot Doug Yeah Elan 7 rules. Congratulations on the Carnivals you stupid fucking rat. :wstupid:
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#26 Post by Guest » Wed Apr 16, 2003 6:25 am
who are you???? if you were in the fam.....I want to know who you are e-mail me km22j@aol.com
#27 Post by Guest » Thu Apr 17, 2003 5:09 am
kyle hope you are really doin as well as you say you are, and if you are keep it up....
people wondered what ever happened to you
from fellow peer in nj from elan7
#28 Post by Guest » Tue Apr 22, 2003 1:02 pm
LEARN TO FUCKING SPELL
#29 Post by Guest » Tue Apr 22, 2003 10:04 pm
man I totally forgot about the "shakedown Street" envelope sign out. That was a big load of horse shit. I was "taking pride" in my dept. and lost my job for it. Do you remember when they put me in broadcasting and I had to do the morning report. Tania was always denying my song selection but was too dumb to realize all the dead offshoot bands I snuck by her. Good Times, yeah right. And the whole pete playing favorites thing is way too true. Take it from me and teddy, the worst asthmatics in elan, sorry that I am not athletically inclined. Pete set my grad date back by 16 months , milking yet another 200 g's that my dad didn't have. As twisted as the reality of being a "resident" was, I feel bad for the staff who ever try to leave, having such guilt weighing down their conscience. And doug, don't forget teds music ban (no phish, dead) I think he was down to listening to the top 40 for a while. Who has the right to tell you what vibrations ccan enter your ear canal? Oh I forgot...elan, remember that piece of paper you signed on day 1 at elan 1. I will be compiling some information about elan past and present,anyone who has a story to tell, email me this is your chance to be heard. write me at EnozLihpEht(at)aol.com. Of course replace (at) with @ but Im sure you all knew that. Please write from your point of view, first person, everyone is guaranteed anonymity or credit which ever you choose. thanks and everyone take care.
#30 Post by Guest » Tue Apr 22, 2003 10:08 pm
Oh yeah, i FORGOT, imagine that! This is WHIT LONG youll be sending your stories to, I have not one enemy from elan, anyone who knows me knows Im honest and kind, write me with the confidence that your stories will not be altered, except for grammatical errors and spelling. Hope to hear from you. Take care Ya'll.
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#31 Post by Guest » Tue Apr 22, 2003 10:11 pm
sorry one more thing- enozlihpeht is simply "the phil zone" backwards if anyone gets confused (listen to the music play) peace.
#32 Post by davbetz » Thu Apr 24, 2003 7:58 am
Listen you little snert, who ever said I was a liar and an idiot, you couldn't find you ass with both hands. Your obviously "brainwashed" to feel something like that never happened.
I was there, saw it.....you must be one of the products of the "New Improved Elan". A person, Phil Williams, died in the ring. I obviously can't convince your myopic mind, so I won't bother.
Next time, you have something to say to me, E-Mail me, nfieldsmith@aol.com (http://mailto:nfieldsmith@aol.com)
#34 Post by Guest » Wed Apr 30, 2003 7:00 am
danny lavelle and mark de victoria live five minutes from me in tampa. i see them often. i knew i would do well. who are you. whoever you are i hope your doing well. kyle hart
#35 Post by Guest » Wed Apr 30, 2003 7:08 am
for anyone who want's to know. i finish my first year of college next week. and me and dan lavelle live down in tampa.i knew i would do fine
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#36 Post by Guest » Fri May 09, 2003 1:57 pm
I was in Elan when Phil died in the ring.
There were many fucked up things that happened at Elan. I find it strange that in the past 3 years so many Elan "residents" from the late 70's and 80's have died, commited suicide, ended up incarcerated or having their lifes fall apart.
Especially if they told the truth about the abuses at Elan! Hi Dave I remember you!!
Glad to see you are still alive, you were always a nice guy.I would like to know what the FAM is and what they plan to do about injustice??? :evil:
#37 Post by Guest » Sun May 11, 2003 6:55 am
"When Phil died in the ring" ??
Ive stood by and watched the bullshit and constant lies for quite some time, but this one tops them all.
Phil didnt die in the ring, Phil died from an anurism which he was born with. A ticking time bomb. Coincidentally he was in the ring for a short time prior to his death. He was not placed in the ring against his will.
The state of Maine medical examiner performed an autopsy which confirmed the cause of death and the death certificate stated ANURISM. Nothing to do with physical abuse, a physical confrontation or otherwise.
This site is a farce. a few reasons why:
Posting anonomously
No regard for the truth
BIASED board owners/mods
The simple fact that its exsistance is of a negative motivation. And more
There are some really fucked up people here, but then again, theres some people who want others to simply THINK they are fucked up.
What a joke this place is. A stressful, negative unpleasant place to fabricate stories, say the most outrageous things you can think of, and piss and moan about a place you DESERVED to be for being the people you were, and in most cases, still ARE.
P. S.
Open ANY year book from ANY school, public or private, and the same "death, suicide, incarcerated..." stats will apply.
Elan isnt the source of the problems we all face after leaving, SOCIETY IS! deal with it.
If you feel bad about being in an allegedly abusive environment, GET HELP!, there are many many resources for help...THIS FUCKING FARCE WEBSITE (developed by a former, self proclaimed "abused person") IS NOT ADEQUATE FOR PROVIDING THE HELP YOU MIGHT NEED...nor is anyone here qualified to offer help.
P.S.S. Ginger, with your infinite wisdom and
knowledge, shouldnt this be an OBVIOUS OBSERVATION?
#38 Post by dterrel » Tue May 13, 2003 4:19 pm
Too many people are trying to make this place seem like it was a problem. If so, then why wasn't it shut down after that whole ordeal a couple of years ago? Obviously the state of Illinois agrees that Elan is a good place to send people that are in a "last resort" situation, as I was court-ordered to matriculate there.
I agree, it was hard and sucked because it took away a lot of freedoms that we had. Elan didn't, however, take away all of our freedoms... we did that to ourselves by acting the way we acted in high school! Get over it! I would like to hear about a forum for Elan graduates that does require people to log in to post, as I would like to see how some of my peers are doing now.
I have a hard time believing that all these people are this angry at elan as a system. Are you really angry at elan, or are you angry at the world? As Corey Taylor says; "Do you serve purposely, or do you purposely serve?" Are you the type that makes things happen, or are you the type that things happen to? Obviously if you have no time to look at the positives, and truths of life, you will never learn from them, and never grow up. I see these people that graduated from Elan at the same time as I did, making fun of people like Fred K or Peter M and to this I have to say that if you have nothing better to do than this, I want to know how many people in this world consider you a friend? I personally do not know anyone that would want me to be their friend after I vented like that on someone like this. Especially behind their backs (anonymous posting.)
As I close out, I want everyone to consider one final thought; "live like you have one day left to live, and play like you will never play again. After all of that is gone, you will regret not living life to the fullest. Carpe Dium."
#39 Post by Bad Muther Fucker (Ezekie » Thu May 15, 2003 2:30 pm
On 2003-05-10 23:55:00, Anonymous wrote:
""When Phil died in the ring" ??
Ive stood by and watched the bullshit and constant lies for quite some time, but this one tops them all.
Phil didnt die in the ring, Phil died from an anurism which he was born with. A ticking time bomb. Coincidentally he was in the ring for a short time prior to his death. He was not placed in the ring against his will.
The state of Maine medical examiner performed an autopsy which confirmed the cause of death and the death certificate stated ANURISM. Nothing to do with physical abuse, a physical confrontation or otherwise.
This site is a farce. a few reasons why:
Posting anonomously
No regard for the truth
BIASED board owners/mods
The simple fact that its exsistance is of a negative motivation. And more
There are some really fucked up people here, but then again, theres some people who want others to simply THINK they are fucked up.
What a joke this place is. A stressful, negative unpleasant place to fabricate stories, say the most outrageous things you can think of, and piss and moan about a place you DESERVED to be for being the people you were, and in most cases, still ARE.
P. S.
Open ANY year book from ANY school, public or private, and the same "death, suicide, incarcerated..." stats will apply.
Elan isnt the source of the problems we all face after leaving, SOCIETY IS! deal with it.
If you feel bad about being in an allegedly abusive environment, GET HELP!, there are many many resources for help...THIS FUCKING FARCE WEBSITE (developed by a former, self proclaimed "abused person") IS NOT ADEQUATE FOR PROVIDING THE HELP YOU MIGHT NEED...nor is anyone here qualified to offer help.
P.S.S. Ginger, with your infinite wisdom and
knowledge, shouldnt this be an OBVIOUS OBSERVATION?"
You're wrong. You're also a dickless moron.
Just an observation.
#40 Post by Guest » Sun May 18, 2003 6:18 am
hey good come-back "sad mother fucker"... you're such a pansy
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#41 Post by Bad Muther Fucker (Ezekie » Sun May 18, 2003 2:41 pm
On 2003-05-17 23:18:00, Anonymous wrote:
"hey good come-back "sad mother fucker"... you're such a pansy
This site is a farce. a few reasons why:
Posting anonomously
No regard for the truth
BIASED board owners/mods
The simple fact that its exsistance is of a negative motivation.
WHERE'S YOUR NAME SNATCH?
CAREFUL WHO YOU CALL A LIAR.
It's called the first amendment COW.
Why don't you buy yourself a big black dildo and cram it up that tight fat ass-hole of yours. Meanwhile, I'll wait here. I want pictures.
#42 Post by Guest » Sun May 18, 2003 5:11 pm
Another brilliant rebuttal from the sad mother fucker.
Get a life retard, you ARE a liar ("be careful"?.. :rofl: ) fuckin liar... In one post you say you were not in Elan, yet you say I am wrong about Phil? I was there dumbass...uhh, how the fuck would you know? And how would you know a thing about Becky?
You are trully pathetic.
As far as my name is concerned, I wouldnt think of embarassing myself by telling everyone who it is wasting thier time bickering with your sick ass.
Help clean up this internet scumbag...NO FURTHER REPLIES TO "SAD MOTHER FUCKHEAD"
#43 Post by Bad Muther Fucker (Ezekie » Sun May 18, 2003 5:32 pm
On 2003-05-18 10:11:00, Anonymous wrote:
Another brilliant rebuttal from the sad mother fucker.
Get a life retard, you ARE a liar ("be careful"?.. :rofl: ) fuckin liar... In one post you say you were not in Elan, yet you say I am wrong about Phil? I was there dumbass...uhh, how the fuck would you know? And how would you know a thing about Becky?
You are trully pathetic.
As far as my name is concerned, I wouldnt think of embarassing myself by telling everyone who it is wasting thier time bickering with your sick ass.
Help clean up this internet scumbag...NO FURTHER REPLIES TO "SAD MOTHER FUCKHEAD"
Lick me
#44 Post by Guest » Sun May 25, 2003 9:34 am
once again ,, clarifications must be made,, the elan that i went to in early 80s is nuthin at all like some u peeps are describing.as the crap we went through was diff from early elan and daytop.carnivals??? maybe bedlam,,they use to really cut your hair in daytop,,in my day they justpounded you psycologicly,,and if that didnt work,, physically , till you rolled belly up.lets not even address the still twisted staff members with all that control,,the name alice dunn ring a bell?stand right there?? tight house?the only way elan stayed open was riccis money,, surprise inspections,, we knew about them for weeks,and when they really started to get looked at ,,, whaddya kno,, whole new facelift,,, :idea: the thing that makes me mad is that just becouse they dont beat people in restraints anymore doesnt justify that they did
#45 Post by Paul St. John » Thu Jun 12, 2003 6:24 am
Hey,
I never went to Elan. I went to Daytop.
Just found out tonight that Elan is based on Daytop. I ve read through this thread.( brought back a lot of memories- terms, and such)
I saw that one poster stated the idea that the people who were successful were those good at pretending. I saw that another posted stated that
what they really did not like around there, is people who were REAL. In reguards to the place that I went to, which sounds evry familair other then that we did not have a boxing ring, these things were entirely true.
The fact of the matter is quite clearly that these programs go against human nature, and the very fundamentals of objective human psychology. Therefore, a person would have to be pretending or manipualting to succeed in such an environment.
I also saw that there are people who violently defend the programs.. LOL.. I remember that shit form when I was in there.
These programs are destructive in spite of which stoiries being told here are true or not.
Thye are not helpful. I watched the mind s of innocent children broken around me everyday, and also battled tool and nail in holding my own mind together there throughout my stay.
My veiw of life was darkenned, and I belived it to be permanent. Fortunately, I am working through it, and hope to extirpate the negative effects permanently from my mind, and if anything turn it into a value form whatever knowledge I can extract from it, not to mention, in spite of all, I did have some good times in the place, and met a lot of decent people( the hard thing was watching these decent people fall apart with time)
Where I was, we were all constanly referred to as manipulators, by both the counselouyrs who played good cop, and the pones who played bad cop.
Almost all of the students there, accepted this very quickly as a fact. Now, let me ask you, once a person accpets that they are at nature a manipulatpor, is it suprising that they become manipulative? The funny thing is that the whole program is based on manipulation. I said it many times while there.
Reality is flexible there and based on convenience. Logic is used as a whore. There is no consistency. Whatever will beat the child is the logic or cliche that they will use at the time. Half the counselours were far from intelliegent, and a lot of them looked like they were still on drugs.
I remember saying to a friend.. " Ya know, before I came to this placeif I seen the average 40 year old man walking down the street with a bat in hand, I would just assume that he was coming from a baseball game. If I seen one ofthese counselour guys, I d think he was looking to mug or beat somebody" They had a criminals look behind their eyes, no matter what altruistic and fine role they now played played for society or how many their hardships or what great survivors they were.
I spent every day with these people, and I admit that I do feel some compassion towards them as being humans, and I even have some small part of me that feels bad for them, but that is how I saw them. A spade is a spade. A criminal is a criminal. I could often see a hatred for life and a hiunger in their eyes. Each day they fed on children, supplied to them by naieve parents, public shool systems, and the judicail system.
I could tell stories of shit that I seen go on in there forever, though I did not ever witness anyone being beaten nor any deaths while inside. Of course I did see the beating and murderring of spirits of children( some very young).
Paul St. John
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#46 Post by Paul St. John » Thu Jun 12, 2003 7:25 am
On 2003-04-07 21:02:00, Powerful Attitude wrote:
What kind of tight supervision were you under? 24--30 months is a killer.
On 2003-04-14 13:47:00, dterrel wrote:
. NO CONTACT BETWEEN MALE and FEMALE (this includes both physical and emotional)!!! This was the killer, and way painful, hopefully I am not the only one that agrees!
Dude,
I totally agree. That shit sucked.. I hated that. The idea of male-female relations, apparently had to be negated in the name of the great higher cause of " sobriety", when in actuality, it only fucks a person up more which will only lead to more dependence on drugs or something else that is equally as destructive.
Well, anway, I hear ya with that one. That shit was totally painful, and fucked me up for awhile after I left there too. Yo, where you were, did they refer to romantic involvement as things such as " seeking feelings" and " playing games"?
I love the way they make love out to be false, and unreal, and as well criminal. Sick fucks! It s not suprising. Love and romance are very inspiring things to individuals. They make a person hard to be controlled, and also increase a person s self-value, and increase self-concern.
Brain-washing really is not all that efficient under conditions such as those. :wink:
Paul St. John
#47 Post by Guest » Thu Jun 12, 2003 11:44 pm
Amen something worth reading ::read:: hope to see more interesting post such as your............ TY
#48 Post by Paul St. John » Fri Jun 13, 2003 6:32 am
Thank you
#49 Post by Guest » Sun Aug 17, 2003 4:21 pm
There was a student that went to elan name Priscilla Page who had sexual relations with a psychiatrist and he got her pregnant.Elan could'nt figure it out and therefore thought it was best to give her a speedy graduation.Though she was an adult at 18 it wasnt ruled statutory rape.THe psychiatrist did resign and I guess took responsibility and both him and Prisicilla got married.
#50 Post by Guest » Mon Aug 18, 2003 3:23 am
Wow.. That s almost like
a fucking romance story.
:smile:
Paul
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#51 Post by Guest » Thu Sep 04, 2003 2:43 am
INTRODUCTION
On June 19 and July 8, 2002, the Commissioner of Education, J. Duke Albanese, dispatched a School Approval Team to the Elan School. This is a State of Maine approved special purpose private school located in Poland, Maine. The purpose of the visitations was to determine program compliance with Chapter 125 Basic Approval Standards (as applicable to a special purpose program through the operation of Chapter 101), and Chapter 33 Regulations Governing Timeout Rooms, Therapeutic Restraints and Aversives in Public Schools and Approved Private Schools. The Team also met with members of the Elan School administrative team on August 5, 2002 to review a draft of the Elan School Policy pertaining to the use of wrist and ankle protective devices. Although at the time of the Team's review, a number of allegations had been discussed in the press regarding events at Elan during the 1970s, 1980s, and 1990s, the focus of the Team's review was on the issue of program compliance as the Elan program is operated at the present time.
The School Approval Team was comprised of the following Department of Education staff members:
Edwin N. Kastuck, Ph.D., Team Chairman, Learning Systems Team
Rose Mary Muir, Esq., Certification Legal Consultant
David N. Stockford, Director, Division of Special Services
The format for the onsite visitations included the following:
A tour of the facilities;
A review of the Elan School policies, practices and procedures;
Private interviews with the Elan School administrators, teachers, staff, parents, students and an alumnus.
A telephone interview was also conducted with the school nurse.
A total of 37 people participated in the review.
The following commendations, findings, recommendations and requirements represent the unanimous positions and conclusions of the School Approval Team.
COMMENDATIONS
The School Approval Team commends:
1. The Elan School administration, faculty, staff, students and parents, who, without exception, were cordial, cooperative and forth coming with all information requests and responses to interview questions;
2. The members of the Elan School community who expressed a strong commitment to the education and well being of the students in the program;
3. The administration, teachers, and staff for their strong support and participation in the expansion of the athletic program at the Elan School because of the positive impact that the program has upon affective learning and for the plans to increase student participation by providing sports activities that are new to the program;
4. The educators at the Elan School for their commitment to individualized educational programming and a high degree of academic accountability;
5. The program staff for their facilitation of family groups and student groups;
6. The program for the documentation and record keeping regarding student needs, requests and behavior incidents including parental notification that exceeds current state regulations or Department of Education requirements;
7. The Elan School administration for creating increased opportunities for student interaction with their families;
8. The Elan School administrators for their willingness to explore and expand student participation in community based opportunities such as sports, field trips, and student participation in post secondary courses on college campuses and through distance learning;
9. Everyone who participated in the making of the Elan School promotional CD Rom and the overall new initiative to provide informational resources in order to increase awareness about the program.
FINDINGS
1. There was no indication that students enrolled in the Elan School are placed at risk for their safety or well-being.
2. There was no indication that any families or any other placement agencies have removed their children from the program based upon their concern for the safety or well being of their child or client. The reasons students leave the program include graduation from high school and the house program, graduation from high school and the placing school unit will not continue to provide funding for the house program, and eighteen (18) year old students who sign themselves out of the program.
3. It was reported by the Elan administrative team and in the interviews that since at least October 2000, the Elan School no longer employs the use of the 'Ring', where students were subjected to boxing fights with other students as a part of a system of student discipline. An example of how the Elan School currently addresses student discipline issues, is a student court system that examines incidents and determines consequences. The outcome from the student court system is that students are required to perform community service on the campus as a way to atone for misdeeds or inappropriate actions. Student issues are also examined in an adult supervised peer mediation process.
4. The present policy of the Elan School states that wrist and ankle protective devices are available for use only in situations when students may injure themselves or others. In any case, the program psychologist must authorize the use. The Elan administrative team has submitted a draft amended policy that addresses the Department of Education's concerns regarding the use of the wrist and ankle protective devices.
5. Although there have been specific allegations regarding the excessive use of restraints and use of the 'Ring' in the several years prior to October 2000, the Department of Education, after conducting a thorough investigation, cannot substantiate the allegations.
6. The year round education program includes up to six (6) hours of instructional time, Monday through Friday. This exceeds the instructional day requirement of five (5) hours contained in Chapter 125 Rules Governing Basic School Approval. It should be noted, that the average student enrollment period in the Elan School is two and one-half (2.5) years. In total, the education program exceeds the state instructional day (5 hours per day) and instructional year (175 days) requirements.
7. The education program staff is involved in a comprehensive review and update of the curriculum and assessment process at the Elan School.
8. Students have daily opportunities to express their needs and concerns through the daily log system and other lines of communication.
9. Due to the geographic composition (from several states and countries) of the student body, the program is required to meet the educational and other programming needs from a number of states and institutions besides Maine.
10. The application of technology in systems management and instruction is very limited.
11. The science coursework does not provide adequate laboratory experiences for the students.
12. Formalized professional development plans for the staff and teachers do not exist.
13. Although all new students are provided with an orientation program and a student mentor, when this review was conducted there was no student handbook, a written set of rules and regulations or a student code of conduct.
14. There is no handbook for the residential staff.
REQUIREMENTS
1. The Elan School administrators shall agree to meet with the School Approval Team within thirty-days (30) of the issuance of this report to present a set of written policies and procedures pertaining to Chapter 33 and other campus policies and procedures pertaining to student programming and discipline. NOTE: Since the on-site review, the Elan School administration has submitted a draft of the Elan Student Handbook and has agreed to submit additional policies and procedures within the thirty-day (30) requirement.
2. The Elan School administrators shall agree not to use the wrist and ankle protective devices except in extreme situations when a student is in danger of injuring themselves or others. In the event that the devices are used, during the next six months, the school will notify the Department of Education of the use. The administrators shall also continue to explore alternative therapeutic restraints and their applicability and appropriateness to the Elan School program. Note: Since the on-site review, the Elan administration has submitted a draft amended policy that addresses the Department of Education's concerns regarding the use of the wrist and ankle protective devices.
3. Except as provided by Title 20-A M.R.S.A. Section 4009, individuals who implement or supervise the implementation of therapeutic restraints shall have successfully completed an appropriate training program in the identification and de-escalation of potentially harmful behaviors and the safe use of passive physical therapeutic restraints.
4. The Elan administration shall affirmatively represent that the school has not used the 'Ring' since at least October 2000, and that it will not be used. Note: The Department of Education and the Elan School agree that use of the so-called 'Ring' would be a violation of Chapter 33. The Department of Education did not substantiate individual allegations concerning use of the 'Ring' and excessive use of mechanical restraints in the several years prior to October 2000. Nevertheless, the Elan School has agreed to comply with these requirements, and to submit these representations and revised policies and procedures to provide additional assurance that inappropriate uses will not occur.
5. The Elan School administration shall submit in writing to the Commissioner of Education, J. Duke Albanese, agreement to immediately comply with items 1-4 of this section.
RECOMMENDATIONS
1. Although there is no statutory requirement or regulation, it is advisable that all schools should develop a student handbook that includes a student code of conduct. Therefore, the Elan School should plan to develop a student handbook (per Title 20-A M.R.S.A. Section 1001, subsections 15,16,17,18) in order to have the handbook available for students by the fall of 2002. The student handbook should also include a student code of conduct. Note: As indicated in the requirements section item 1, of this report, since the on-site review, the Elan School administration has submitted a draft of the Elan Student Handbook.
2. Professional development plans for the Elan School administrators, teachers and staff should be developed. To do so will require the creation of a Professional Development System that includes representative participation from all the stakeholder groups on campus. The system should include a process for identifying and approving requests for personal and cohort group professional development needs. Sufficient financial resources should be allocated for the campus wide professional development system.
3. A technology plan should be developed which includes the application of new technologies to program management and classroom instruction. The plan should include the utilization of computers, instructional software, laboratory simulation software, videotapes and DVDs, computer networking on campus, distance learning, inter-library networking and other appropriate technology applications. The use of computer simulation software in science lab coursework could enable students to acquire science skills in a safe format. The technology plan should also include the development of a set of policies and procedures for supervised student access to the Internet. A campus wide Internet access policy should also be included in the technology plan.
4. As moving on to higher education becomes a major focus for the students, administrators and educators at the Elan School should assess student readiness for post secondary experiences and utilize the results of the assessment to develop and adjust the curriculum, instruction and assessment. Research skills is one area that warrants attention.
5. As the athletic program grows and develops at the Elan School, the construction of an up-to-date sports facility should be explored. The facility could be designed for multiple uses including the performing arts.
6. The Elan School administrators should open discussions with the Judicial Department, and the Departments of Corrections and Human Services, regarding the placement of youths who might be better served in the Elan program.
7. The Elan School should annualize the graduation data including the postsecondary plans of the graduates.
8. A handbook of policies, practices and procedures should be created for use with the residential staff. This should also include the information contained in the student handbook and the student code of conduct.
9. The Elan School should seriously consider the installation of centralized climate control systems in the residential houses.
CONCLUSION
The work of all schools in Maine is work on behalf of children. All parties associated with the Elan School, including the Department of Education, recognize that the needs of the students enrolled in the Elan School are unique and extremely challenging. The Elan School was found to have a strong commitment to the education and well being of the students and there was no indication of any student being at risk. Individualized educational programming and a high degree of academic accountability were found to be a significant part of the program. The staff's facilitation of family groups and student groups is one of the many positive aspects of the program.
The Department of Education does impose several requirements on the Elan School to provide revised policies and formal representations regarding various aspects of the school program, use of restraints, and disciplinary procedures, in order to provide further assurances that the School's practices are consistent with applicable laws and regulations. The Elan School has complied or is already in the process of complying with these requirements. The Department of Education will conduct regular follow-up visitations to the Elan School to assure compliance with the Requirement section contained in this report and with the requirements of basic school approval. The Department of Education will continue to work with the Elan School's administration, faculty, staff, students, and parents, who, without exception, were cordial, cooperative and forthcoming with all information. It is imperative that all Elan School administrators, faculty, staff, and the Board of Directors, move forward with respect and cooperation, championing the needs and general well being of the students enrolled in the Elan School.
#52 Post by Guest » Thu Sep 04, 2003 3:27 am
Where did you get this info from????
i was put in restraint for spilling a cup of water while in the corner!!!! what fukin brainwashed kids did they interview??? i need to talk w/ these people.
SyN
#53 Post by Guest » Thu Sep 04, 2003 3:31 am
I found it on the internet.I did a search on goolge for "Elan school" and it came up on the second or third page.There is more out there.
I thought by now everyone would have read this but I copied and pasted it here just in case someone didn't.
Turns out that you are that someone Syn.I cant beleive they found no wrong doings at elan, what a bunch of shit.
#54 Post by SyN » Thu Sep 04, 2003 3:18 pm
yeah i should check up more on news articles on elan. thanks though. i really want to see the 60 min interview w/ joe, and what kinda b.s ran out his mouth on that show.it is bullshit how elan slides through everything just by greasing some pockets. i guess joe passed on all his contacts to sharon terry. i know that the school has online computers the students use, i wonder how to i.m them while the kids are online. bet they have all kinds of "reality blocks" well gotta start packin for saturday, hopefully all will work out to me being able to do a visit to elan, im trying to find a bullhorn.
SyN
#55 Post by Guest » Fri Sep 05, 2003 1:43 am
the fam ended just after i got to Elan and we were forbiden to talk bout it, of course i got alotta details but i still have questions, u still around?
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#56 Post by Guest » Fri Sep 05, 2003 1:46 am
wrong thread, ignore that
#57 Post by Paul St. John » Fri Sep 05, 2003 3:23 am
I guess the way the state of Maine looks at it...
The people who were victimised previousely.. were
all just part of a great big learning process for
Elan..
How nice of them to be SOOO understanding towards
Elan...
"Well, the torture at Elan seems to have been brought down to an acceptable, level.. I see no reason that they should not continue to operate their business!!"
FUCK YOU!!
and every blind bureacratic asshole involved!!
Low-Life Piece of Shit, Scumbag Assholes!!
The government officails of any state are elected with the purpose, of SERVING the WELL-BEING of it's citzens.( not just some of the time, or when it's conveniuent but all of the time) They are payed for this!
If, and when this shit does go down, they will have as much to answer for as does the Elan School!
Paul St. John
As for this idiot School Review Team, or whatever the fuck it was... Would they send their kids there???????
#58 Post by Paul St. John » Fri Sep 05, 2003 3:29 am
Yo gotta love the fact that these
assholes got commendments!!
"Well, are so glad that you, now, only use the shackles sometimes!! You get a Gold Star, Elan!"
or wait, what was it.. They only use them when necessary?
Hmmmm..
Ya know..
In all the high schools that I went to, shackles were never necessary!
A bunch of bullshit!
I suppose they "Manipulated" the school review team, that on that one plot of earth in the world, physics changes and there are times where it becomes ?N?E?C?E?S?S?A?R?Y? to shackle kids!
Paul St. John
#59 Post by Paul St. John » Fri Sep 05, 2003 3:41 am
1. The Elan School administration, faculty, staff, students and parents, who, without exception, were cordial, cooperative and forth coming with all information requests and responses to interview questions;
No!! They are gonna be assholes to someone who has the power to shut them down, and end their fucked up livelihood.....LOL!!
2. The members of the Elan School community who expressed a strong commitment to the education and well being of the students in the program
Well-being, my ass!
3. The administration, teachers, and staff for their strong support and participation in the expansion of the athletic program at the Elan School because of the positive impact that the program has upon affective learning and for the plans to increase student participation by providing sports activities that are new to the program;
Too little... Too late!
4. The educators at the Elan School for their commitment to individualized educational programming and a high degree of academic accountability;
Well, then I guess that that is different from Daytop, where they had me taking RCT's in fucking ninth grade, that I had already taken between 6th and 8th!
5. The program staff for their facilitation of family groups and student groups;
Fuck them, and their groups!
6. The program for the documentation and record keeping regarding student needs, requests and behavior incidents including parental notification that exceeds current state regulations or Department of Education requirements;
Of course, it exceeds state regulations.. They hardly have any kids there, compared to a whole entire real school!
7. The Elan School administration for creating increased opportunities for student interaction with their families;
If they weren't there, they'd actuallt share homes woith their families.. The stupidity is beyond me!
8. The Elan School administrators for their willingness to explore and expand student participation in community based opportunities such as sports, field trips, and student participation in post secondary courses on college campuses and through distance learning;
I'm tellin ya people.. as soon as you hear, " community based activities" get scared!!
What about individuality! The shit that they are talking about looks good on the surface.. That is all!
9. Everyone who participated in the making of the Elan School promotional CD Rom and the overall new initiative to provide informational resources in order to increase awareness about the program.
WELL, I AM SO GLAD THAT YOU TOOK THE TIME TO THANK THEM FOR ***ADVERTISING***, YOU STUPID FUCKING IDIOTS!!!!!
#60 Post by Paul St. John » Fri Sep 05, 2003 3:55 am
9. Everyone who participated in the making of the Elan School promotional CD Rom and the overall new initiative to provide informational resources in order to increase awareness about the program.
Yes, Indeed!.. And I, Paul St. John would like to commend all the company's whose commercails interrupted my TV show. Thank you so much! And I commend you with the highest of honors, for "INCREASING MY AWARENESS", of your product
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OK, Mark Babbitz was criticized for doing this or something close. I think he was questioned as to "flooding," but then again he wasn't well liked. Jeesh is this how you have helped your treatment center forum (do you have one) to repost. Did you ever go through one, work at one or just study them. Please enlighten there are more folks then you think that would like to know.
Felice is not the only member of Elan. What are your credentials Ursus. Fair question???? Don't expect a answer but would be surprised.
Danny... :shamrock:
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OK, Mark Babbitz was criticized for doing this or something close. I think he was questioned as to "flooding," but then again he wasn't well liked. Jeesh is this how you have helped your treatment center forum (do you have one) to repost. Did you ever go through one, work at one or just study them. Please enlighten there are more folks then you think that would like to know.
Felice is not the only member of Elan. What are your credentials Ursus. Fair question???? Don't expect a answer but would be surprised.
Danny... :shamrock:
Danny,
Discuss in private with Ursus or Psy/Ginger. Whatever works best for you.[/quote
NO....it stays in public....why is it OK for them to be public.
Danny :shamrock:
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OK, Mark Babbitz was criticized for doing this or something close. I think he was questioned as to "flooding," but then again he wasn't well liked. Jeesh is this how you have helped your treatment center forum (do you have one) to repost. Did you ever go through one, work at one or just study them. Please enlighten there are more folks then you think that would like to know.
Felice is not the only member of Elan. What are your credentials Ursus. Fair question???? Don't expect a answer but would be surprised.
Danny... :shamrock:
We've gone through this before, Danny, but no matter. You did seem to, however, remember the answer to your own question just four days ago:
"So let me understand this you have a person from Daytop Moderating ELan Forum and a Hyde whatever person also moderating Elan. This is your idea of a de-federalized fornits. Oh I know you asked, Sharon in a polite way if you could jamb both these people down are throats. Sharon......That's it nobody else."
viewtopic.php?f=22&t=30009&p=357860#p357860 (http://www.fornits.com/phpbb/viewtopic.php?f=22&t=30009&p=357860#p357860)[/list]
As to the reposting of material from this thread, I was under the impression that these posts were of historical value and warrant being saved if possible. I take it you feel differently?
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#76 Post by SyN » Sun Sep 21, 2003 9:48 pm
i havent received any problems from it.. i'll check it out though
SyN
#77 Post by Tatiana » Wed Sep 24, 2003 3:44 am
got another failure delivery notice today.. thought i'd let u know.. it couldn't be from my end because i'm not having a problem sending to anyone else...
#78 Post by Antigen » Tue Nov 18, 2003 12:54 am
On 2003-02-18 04:37:00, Anonymous wrote:
But i have a feeling that if Elan KILLED someone, well there would be some legal issues you liar.
Ok, let's say you're a police investigator working for whatever DA has jurisdiction in Poland Maine. The coronor has ruled this a suspicious death, due to evidence of sustained illness, lack of medical records showing minimum proper care and unexplained bruising on the body due to the kid having been in the ring.
Who are your witnesses? Can they speak freely and candidly without fear of retribution? Nope. All witnesses are either potential suspects (staff) or children subject to retribution of the most serious kinds at the hands of any potential suspects. Did the alleged victim recently have any serious disagreements with anyone? Sure, everyone. After all, you don't go in the ring for nothing, right? Well... right?
Every stinking day I watched kids get assaulted, physically and verbally and in other, more subtle ways in Straight.
Some people think I'm just about a cold hearted bitch for not helping with the attempted prosecution. But you know what happened in the end? They couldn't make any of it stick. All the witnesses were accused (thought not properly diagnosed) drug addicts, and even half of those (those still in the program or in jeapordy of being sent back) swore up and down that they were there, they saw it all, and it didn't go anything like what the others were saying. Instead, they had the injured kid going psycho for absolutely no reason on some poor, innocent staffer or other client who, after all, had only been trying to help him!!
You see the problem here?
History gives us a kind of chart, and we dare not surrender even a small rushlight in the darkness. The hasty reformer who does not remember the past will find himself condemned to repeat it.
--John Buchan
#79 Post by Antigen » Tue Nov 18, 2003 2:07 am
Tatiana, so glad you came back around here.
The story's coming out. Little by little, the truth wins out over all the bull.
Give me the youth, and Germany will rule the world.
--Hitler
#80 Post by Guest » Wed Nov 19, 2003 8:26 pm
What a horrible place. I was in straight inc., which was similar in a lot of ways. Good post.
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#81 Post by Guest » Sat Nov 22, 2003 7:07 am
Obviously you know nothing about anything. Elan has been paying off people for years; if not, how can the boxing ring be tolerated by the state of Maine? Elan is an example of naked capitalism at its worse, read the Communist Manifesto and 1984 and stop trying to brainwash us because we're not "in concept" anymore. Oh, by the way, as I'm writing this, I'm "imaging out" with multiple piercings, stdded bracelets, a black leather jacket, and steel toe boots. So fuck you.
PS I am also smoking cigarettes and drinking beer and listening to "inappropriate" music, only here I don't have to use headphones to hide it from the snitches.
#82 Post by Guest » Mon Nov 24, 2003 3:48 am
I meant that for some brainwashed person who posted earlier in the thread, but it wound up being posted at the end for some reason
Speaking of snitches, I noticed Tatiana on here. She used to live down in the women's re-entry dorms and used to book all the females in 8 for ridiculous things, like hospital corners not straight, and it got so out of control there that I was moved out, because I was one of the less "Elanified" students. I was the only one to book you back, though. Snitches from other houses were a big problem. Tatiana, I WILL kick your ass if I see you, along with that stupid bitch Erin Kelly who got me shot down for something that I didn't do. I know where Erin Kelly lives and it's not too far way from me, and her family owns a pub there, so it is more likely that I will run into her than you. It's not like inter-house snitches were even trying to save their own asses, they went above and beyond what was needed. Tatiana, you were the only one down there, it's not like you would have gotten in trouble if you kept your mouth shut. And you were even INVENTING shit besides. Everyone here is saying how great you, so I just wanted to expose you.
#83 Post by SyN » Mon Nov 24, 2003 4:26 am
hey anonymous how'd the e-3 girls do? some were fukn cunts too but most were chill when were you there?
SyN
#84 Post by Guest » Mon Nov 24, 2003 11:07 pm
On 2003-02-18 04:37:00, Anonymous wrote:
"You are a fucking idiot. The people who run the school may have fucked up backgrounds, even though i know Marty never raped a kid, but who cares? They saved my life. Just because you were too big of a pansy to make it through the program and someone hurt your petty feelings doesnt mean you have the right to degrade them. And for the guy who said your friend died of an aneurism from the ring, please please please. Spare me. One student died from Meningitis, maybe that was him. But i have a feeling that if Elan KILLED someone, well there would be some legal issues you liar. That is what all of you are, liars. So grow up and leave people alone, it HURTS FEELINGS."
There are no legal issues because they probably bribe people. You can't think that the boxing ring is legal anywhere in the U.S. unless you're an idiot
#85 Post by Guest » Mon Nov 24, 2003 11:30 pm
The Elan 3 girls that some of friends were in track with were nice. The only experiences I had were in college and that snitch Erin Kelly. If you wanna snitch, you could at least have the courtesy to snitch me out for something I ACTUALLY did, you cunt. Wait until I get my hands on you! She was also in my college class, and her and two other kiss asses, one was named Gena R. ,actually did reports about how Elan saved their lives. They were so nauseating that even the biggest snitch in our house (who also got me shot down. I used to be friends with this girl, though, until she became WAY too much of a snitch that I would avoid even standing within a ten foot radius of her for fear of getting demoted)- this girl even wanted to throw up. Our house was fairly corrupt at that time, so this girl obviously would not even compare to what 3 or 7 had to deal with.
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#86 Post by SyN » Tue Nov 25, 2003 1:45 am
yeah 8 was pretty rugged. The chikaz all seemed chill to me but a few. One was this huge bitch named Jen something. God she was nasty.
SyN
#87 Post by Guest » Tue Nov 25, 2003 1:55 am
when were you there? do you mean Jenn Cushman, because Jenn Hussman was way too small to fit your description.
#88 Post by SyN » Tue Nov 25, 2003 2:14 am
94-97 e-3
#89 Post by Guest » Tue Nov 25, 2003 2:55 am
I'm betting Jenn Ferro. She was out of control, but she told on everybody to get them in trouble. She was just trying to be a bitch because if she was working the program she would have gotten higher than shingle after almost 4 years. If I see her, she's leaving in an ambulance, and I'm not the only one that feels that way. I was fairly "corrupt" in the house and had a "contract" with virtually everyone, so I heard many people planning to kick her ass. One of the Illinios girls, Jenn's from Chicago, was going to hunt her down and kick her ass. I wonder if that's why her phone # and address was unlisted, because all the Illinios kids tried to kick her ass. She's lucky I'm in New England. Were you in the house with Gena Ross and Erin Kelly?
#90 Post by Guest » Tue Nov 25, 2003 3:15 am
I can't believe so many people are writing about Pete Rowe cuz i thought only a few people thought he was mean to women, but now he's a racist too. one girl went over to 7 cuz there was a trip and she said peter rowe books all the girls for eating deserts and forces them to diet. you think with cardinal rules you wouldnt have to watch youre weight, bc your not suppossed to be looking for hot guys anyways. he reminds me of an eminem wannabe and made fun of one kid on the track team for liking punk rock music or death metal. he was like 35 years old and thought he was some big tough gangsta. isn't your mid30s just a little too old to be wearing tommy hilfigger and doorags and acting like your black? someone needs to buy him a mirror & tell him he's a white middle aged man from Maine. if ice-t or 50cent met him, they'd pound the shit out of him, if they could stop laughing long enough
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#106 Post by hidingout » Sat Dec 20, 2003 3:51 pm
Last month month he was with a nice looking woman she was having a great time but he looked like hewas scared
#107 Post by 88 » Sat Dec 20, 2003 3:53 pm
Marty with a nice looking woman? :lol: Are you sure you didnt kidnap her?I guess it could be possible it was him, too bad you didnt take pictures.
#108 Post by hidingout » Sat Dec 20, 2003 3:56 pm
Me kidnap her what do you mean.... actually I know the woman and I am worried now about her if all the things you guys say about him are true
#109 Post by IH8 Elan » Sun Dec 21, 2003 1:47 pm
Sounds like to me this guy really loved abusing his power.I could just picture it now , an encounter group ran by Peter asswipe.Funny thing is if he ever ran into any of you on the streets "The people he mind fucked" I;m sure he would be all open arms with hugs and kisses.People like Peter , Marty, Jeffery, and Marc need to be removed from places like Elan, all they like is to enforce punishment and watch the students suffer.And believe me they get off on watching students suffer.
I remember one time Rosenberg waited until the last minute to blow someone;s home visit and shoot them down.The student was all packed up and scheduled to leave elan wihin an hour or so and Rosenberg shot him down.He was shotdown because he reacted to a teacher in school and mumbled something under his breath.No one understood what he said to the teacher but Marc selected the appropiate words which would result in this punishment.
The way I see it, at least the student din't make it known what he said when he mumbled under his breath.What a asshole Marc is was and always will be.
#110 Post by E7haterJe » Tue Dec 23, 2003 6:50 am
WOW...!!! I am very impressed and moved by what u typed!!! You are a great writer. Everything u said was so to the T, it made your post so CLEAR & understanding. Who r u? When were u in Elan? I was in 7, but 94-96
publicrelationsjenny26@yahoo.com
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#111 Post by Ville_Valo » Tue Dec 23, 2003 6:54 am
Marc Rosenburg sucked
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#112 Post by Guest » Fri Feb 27, 2004 3:47 am
HEY THE STILL CALL THEMSELVES THE "LAST RESORT" OR "THE LAST STOP, LAST CHANCE"
#113 Post by Guest » Fri Feb 27, 2004 4:22 am
I HAVE A LOT TO SAY ABOUT THIS PLACESOMEGOOD BUT MAJORITY NOT, JUST FOR THE FUCKIN RECORD JUST CUZ U GRADUATE DOESNT MEAN A DAMN THING WHOEVER THINKS THAT IS STILL BRAINWASHED! I GRADUATED BEARLY BUT I DID. I DONT THINK IT WAS THE COUNCILORS THAT GOIT ME THROUGH THAT FUCKIN PLACE IT WAS THE REALNESS OF MY FRIENDS WHO WERE THERE WHETHER I WAS IN A CORNER, GUILT, OR WHATEVER THEIR NOT THE ONES WHO TRIED TO BE PEOPLE THEY WEREN'T NOR WILL EVER BE. THEIR WHAT U CALL FRIENDS! I THINK THE STAFF HAD A LOT OF SHIT TO HIDE AND THATS WHY THEY WORKED THERE FOR A POWER ISSUE, TO FEEL THAT THEY HAD CONTROL OVER SOMEONE ELSE, IN A LOT OF WAYS, THEY KNEW WHAT THEY SAID WENT FOR THE MOST PART BECAUSE IF U TALKED BACK OR DISAGREED U WERE THREATIN WITH THE CORNER OR GM AND ALL THIS BULLSHIT THAT THEY HAD THE POWER TO COMMAND AND USE IT AGAINT U....ALOT OF THEM TALKED ABOUT US AS IF THEY WERE THERE AND COULD RELATE TO THE THINGS THAT WE HAVE DONE OR THEY HAD GREAT ADVICE TO GIVE US AND CHANGE OUR LIVES FOREVER WHEN HALF OF THEM COULD NEVER IN THEIR RIGHT MIND UNDERSTAND WHERE WE WERE COMMING FROM, OR NEVER WENT THROUGH IT THEMSELVES ITS LIKE A GAME FOR THEM WHO COULD TAKE MORE CEDIT THEN OTHER "PETER FUCKING ROWE" HE HAD SOMENERVE THE FUCKING CONCIETED ONE FUCK MOTHER FUCKER, HE GOT A THRILL OUT OF WEARING SHIRTS OPEN OR JERSEYS AND WHATEVERTHE FUCK HE FELT LIKE WEARING BECAUSE HE THOUGHT HE LOOKED GOOD AND GOT AROUSED OUT OF IT...THE UGLY FUCK. GOD I GET SO ANGREY WHEN I THINK BOUT THIS PLACE.I THINK A LOT OF PEOPLE WERE FAKE AND STILL TOTHIS DAY, ARE....I HSVEMUCH MORE TO SAY BUT QUITE FRANKLY IM SICK SO OI WILL ADDMORE TOMMID LIEK TO READ MORE, OF WHAT POEPLE HAVE TO SAY..........FOR THE RECORD I DID GRADUATE AND ITS NOT DIFFERENT U GET AFUCKIN FAKE ASS PLAQUE, HOODIE FUCKIN DOO
#114 Post by Froderik » Fri Feb 27, 2004 4:29 am
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i have a lot to say about this placesomegood but majority not, just for the fuckin record just cuz u graduate doesnt mean a damn thing whoever thinks that is still brainwashed! i graduated bearly but i did. i dont think it was the councilors that goit me through that fuckin place it was the realness of my friends who were there whether i was in a corner, guilt, or whatever their not the ones who tried to be people they weren't nor will ever be. their what u call friends! i think the staff had a lot of shit to hide and thats why they worked there for a power issue, to feel that they had control over someone else, in a lot of ways, they knew what they said went for the most part because if u talked back or disagreed u were threatin with the corner or gm and all this bullshit that they had the power to command and use it againt u....alot of them talked about us as if they were there and could relate to the things that we have done or they had great advice to give us and change our lives forever when half of them could never in their right mind understand where we were comming from, or never went through it themselves its like a game for them who could take more cedit then other "peter fucking rowe" he had somenerve the fucking concieted one fuck mother fucker, he got a thrill out of wearing shirts open or jerseys and whateverthe fuck he felt like wearing because he thought he looked good and got aroused out of it...the ugly fuck. god i get so angrey when i think bout this place.i think a lot of people were fake and still tothis day, are....i hsvemuch more to say but quite frankly im sick so oi will addmore tommid liek to read more, of what poeple have to say..........for the record i did graduate and its not different u get afuckin fake ass plaque, hoodie fuckin doo
#115 Post by Guest » Fri Feb 27, 2004 4:35 am
WHO IS THIS TALKING BOUT CAREY AND PETE I OBV. KNOW U I LIVED WITH U...I AGREE BUT I WASHER BEST FRIEND...I AGREE WITH THAT FUCKING CONTROLLING ASS HOLE HES A FUCKING PRICK I HATEHIMAND HIS CARMA IS COMMING 1000 HARDER THEN EVER
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#116 Post by Guest » Fri Feb 27, 2004 4:39 am
IS THIS DANNY LAVALLE?
#117 Post by Froderik » Fri Feb 27, 2004 4:40 am
who is this talking bout carey and pete i obv. know u i lived with u...i agree but i washer best friend...i agree with that fucking controlling ass hole hes a fucking prick i hatehimand his carma is comming 1000 harder then ever
Two things: Caps make it seem like you're shouting...and they're harder to read..
You may want to consider registering or at least signing your posts (with initials, maybe) so we know which "anonymous" is doing the talking..
I wasn't in Elan, but I read this forum sometimes..
Thanks.
#118 Post by Guest » Fri Feb 27, 2004 4:46 am
FUCK U KYLE OR WHOEVER IS CALLING ALL THE GIRLS HOES CUZI KNOW I AINT A HOE, YALL ALLSWEATED MY COUSIN...HES A COOL KID Y NOT BUT DONT FRONT ONIT I THOUGHT KYLE WE WERE COOLAT POINTSBUT OBV NOT. :???: MAYBE IT WAS JUST CUZ MY COUSIN....YEAH I WAS IN THAT LMP SHIT BUT WHATEVER I DIDNT WANAS SEE U GO EITHER, IM GLAD YALL ARE GOOD..IMIN MY SECOND SEMSTER OF COLLEGE THEM PEOPEL I HATE EM TOO BUT WHATEVER. C YALL LATER GOOD LUCK IN LIFE IF I NEEVFR SEE YALL AGAIN
#119 Post by Marina » Fri Feb 27, 2004 7:08 pm
"PETER FUCKING ROWE" HE HAD SOMENERVE THE FUCKING CONCIETED ONE FUCK MOTHER FUCKER, HE GOT A THRILL OUT OF WEARING SHIRTS OPEN OR JERSEYS AND WHATEVERTHE FUCK HE FELT LIKE WEARING BECAUSE HE THOUGHT HE LOOKED GOOD AND GOT AROUSED OUT OF IT...
This is so, so true. I couldn't word it better myself, I agree with the things you've said about Peter Rowe and some other staff members that have the need to feel poweful, as If they were "above" people. In Elan they were "above"us, I guess, but what a sick way of being "superior", don't you think? Maybe they were in a position of "power" over some troubled adolescents, but take a look at where they stand in terms of society. Are they any good?
#120 Post by Guest » Tue Mar 02, 2004 5:40 am
Many of you look like victims of the Elan educational system.
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#121 Post by xres8182 » Wed Mar 03, 2004 2:14 am
You people don't know shit about elan's secrets,Phil Williams,or much else for that matter.Your quick to correct spelling errors though.Kudos to you Jackasses
Jim S
#122 Post by Marina » Wed Mar 03, 2004 2:21 am
Fine, then you tell us! Since we don't know jack shit about the Elan secrets, take your shot. Go ahead and reveal them to us, I'm sure we'd all like to hear it. This would be a rather productive way of participating in this forum, dude.
Peace!
#123 Post by xres8182 » Wed Mar 03, 2004 2:41 am
What would you like to know? I could give you my opinion of the ring as a therapeutic instrument,I could tell you what happens when a psyco eats a dozen crushed up glass salt & pepper shakers.I could tell you about actual prison cells in E-4.Do you people like elan or don't you,sometimes it's hard to tell
#124 Post by Guest » Wed Mar 03, 2004 8:21 am
how bout scrubbing dumptsers with toothbrushes??
#125 Post by Marina » Wed Mar 03, 2004 4:42 pm
I remember this kid, Dave Lovallo, who used to get "GI Dumbster" LE's. Was it with a toothbrush??? Peter Rowe sent me to GI the toilet with my hands (no gloves) for like 8 hours once.
Whenever I was accused of "being gamy", they used to mention this girl Diane Jacobs, who was once on a FULL BAN from the males. That must have been unconfortable!
Expetidors weren't really good at busting dowm on ppl playing games, I played games for a long time and I was always confronted on staring at the wrong ppl. So I used to fuck with the X's and say "I was starring at this person or that person, I can't help it, I feel so attracted to him". And then they'd make a huge deal of it and we'd spend many groups talking about diversions. That way no one ever knew who I was really playing games with or what my real issues were.
It's funny how we could manage to find ways of getting away with shit, isn't it? I wasn't staff's favourite and I didn't have it easy, but it felt as If some people were "immune"to the consequences. I don't blame them, those lucky bastards!
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#126 Post by xres8182 » Wed Mar 03, 2004 4:59 pm
I had to P.O.a guy named John D in the dumpster at E-5 when I first made expeditor in the early days.One day he was bored and jumped out of the thing and started running around with a bunch of us chasing him.Insane making someone sit in a filthy dumpster as a form of punishment.I remember it was like July 81 and I was in a
leather jacket because I "thought I was cool".Lunacy = concept
#127 Post by E7haterJe » Sun Mar 07, 2004 7:22 am
hahaha some how your post got pushed in to my mail box...i just got a "flashback,,,""" of Peter Rowe..."he would come with that Dr. Seuss Jim Carey, (dumb ass) grin on his face, oraLLy fixated on his Twizzler, swaying from side to side from one leg to the other, with his tacky running sneakers on, cheap polo shirts with a few bottons undone of the top, revealing his scrawny unatractive chest, with that swoopy twirl on his head, that tacky "Im COOL" wave hairsprayed im sure...(that loser).... and I think he wore a gold chain i dont remember? He had that ugly big grill smile...oh that guy..yuck...and now that m on a "syncal" role, Tana and her short summer dresses and dog, god only knows what shes done to or wth that dog...
#128 Post by Guest » Sun Mar 07, 2004 4:54 pm
Jen, its Jordan, i need to get in touch with you, about the film, we got disconnected last time..hit me up
#129 Post by Guest » Thu Mar 11, 2004 9:12 pm
E7 haterje, who are you, thats some funny shit, you hit pete right on the nose with that one, also remember how he used to bulge his eyes out and wear that stupid heart monitor watch all the time, like he needed it, he was the laziest "coach" i'd ever seen... it was probably to measure his heart rate when he would get turned on in mens group
Whit e7 95-98
#130 Post by E7haterJe » Sat Mar 13, 2004 5:56 am
anonymous- Whit who are you?
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#131 Post by E7haterJe » Sat Mar 13, 2004 6:22 am
I remember Diane Jacobs. She was there when I was, we were on a ban once, I think I was accused of glamorizing the outside world with her. I remember Diane, and I remember me. The staff confronted the wrong issues, in us young women at the time. I remember Diane and I and other girls at that time, were young, naive, girls. We manouvered our bodies in ways as natural young women our age would. Running through as an X or shingle, or ramrod or whatever with tons of responsibilities and worries on our mind, through a crowded dining room with chairs and giers all over, was very difficult not to bump into someone. obviously issues were way blown out of proportion and young womens femininety was disapproved and dealt with innapropriatly with the bans shit and stuff.
#132 Post by Guest » Wed Mar 17, 2004 2:44 am
I don't want to sound naive, but my parents are abusive, sadistic bastards who don't want to get in trouble...anyway, after many years of fighting they're sending me in April to Elan...so, I guess this is a bad thing? someone? help?
#133 Post by Guest » Wed Mar 17, 2004 2:46 am
*looks around site some more*
yea, this is looking very bad...what the hell should i do?
#134 Post by Marina » Wed Mar 17, 2004 2:47 am
Trust me, you DON'T wanna go there.
#135 Post by Guest » Wed Mar 17, 2004 4:20 am
Whoever you are, run away from home, and get out of state. I wouldn't advise this normally, but you're being sent to elan. I hope you don't have that long until you turn 18.
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#136 Post by Guest » Wed Mar 17, 2004 5:34 am
if you can emancipate i would suggest doing so. otherwise your screwed. I would never suggest running away from your problems cause they just come back and bite you in the ass. I would recomend you to send your parents here for some elan feed back, something tells me they will get it from many of us.
#137 Post by Guest » Wed Mar 17, 2004 10:28 am
People happened to just wake up one day and surprise... there's an agent or whatever that's called... and he'll physically force you to go down there. Ask people, this wasn't my case, but be aware.
#138 Post by SyN » Wed Mar 17, 2004 2:38 pm
Yep, many a kid came in via bounty hunter. I know if they do get these bounty hunters to take you there, they do it at like 4 am.
But i dont know many people who were told they were going to be going to elan, until of course they were in the parking lot. What a treat for them.
SyN
#139 Post by artman11111 » Wed Mar 17, 2004 3:07 pm
anon
i would hire yourself an attorney or go to your local public defenders office
Elan is no kiddi camp... though alot different today.Leopards dont change their spots.From all I read here about "present day Elan",The abuse still exists as does the deception,manipulation,and shoddy billing practices.
Maybe you oughta consider your behaviors and put yourself "In check".Noone EVER got to Elan or places like it on a winning streak.
Just because someone calls you an asshole,doesnt mean you have to prove them right
art
#140 Post by artman11111 » Wed Mar 17, 2004 3:11 pm
Syn
In my day it was called "the goon squad". Unfortunately i was a part of it for a time..
Was a crazy time in my life.Would wake us up at 2am and fly us to whatever destination to intimidate and / or force a person to come with.
I remember a trip to hartford like that.The kid who's name i dont remember,was cryin,mom was cryin.. it was a very emotional experience.
Then we forced him into the car and jlater Joe's plane.
Never felt good about it,but as you may have heard,we never said no in those days for fear of the consequences
art
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#141 Post by Pete » Wed Mar 17, 2004 3:51 pm
I would rather live in a teen shelter than go back to Elan. Even though it helped me -- I hated it.
Let's get this straight. Your parents are getting rid of you because of their own problems? Or are you a troubled teen? Be honest with yourself.
If I were you, I would point out these sites. If that doesn't work, I would consult an attorney and if he could not act in a day or two, I would only run away from home if I knew I didn't need help and that I wouldn't hurt my parents because they didn't care anyway. But then again, think of what will happen if you are caught (you will probably get sent to Elan sooner)-- that should be an ABSOLUTE last resort. And you should only run away if you are sure your parents don't have your best interests at heart. I wouldn't advocate running away, but if your parents don't give a shit about you and don't love you, then you shouldn't give them too much regard.
Even if you have to live in a shelter or go to school in another state, it is better than Elan. There are few things worse than being confined somewhere against your will. You will miss the most formative years of your adolescence if you go to Elan. Unless your life is truly (and I mean truly) in danger or you're facing a prison sentence, there is no need to go to Elan.
If your life gets a little uncomfortable, you might think -- OK, I'll just go along with the Elan thing. DON'T! You will kick yourself. And don't let them turn on the tears either to make you feel guilty.
However, if you need some kind of help or guidance, I would try to strike a bargain with them to go somewhere other than Elan. There are several other therapeutic schools that are better than Elan. Grove School in Madison, CT is a good place where there's a lot of freedom and you probably won't want to leave anyway -- it's fun! Hyde School in Bath, Maine, is tough, but only in that you have to do a lot of athletics.
Good luck to you.
#142 Post by E7haterJe » Wed Mar 17, 2004 5:13 pm
I saw these posts...about a kid bein sent to elan...
I kicked myself as Pete put it, (I think it was Pete) I said, well it will be probally chill like in the hospital, I can do whatever I want, another place I can call home away from home. I was better off, way better of at The John Dewey Academy, where I first was sent, which really wasnt now that I think about it , abusive at all. They didnt give verbal repermands, or GMS or you had to do things like you were living in the army, you could walk around town at your own risk, have money, cook, talk on the phone whenever you wanted to, go to the bathroom, bed, class etc whenever you wanted to. You could look in to that place, but It is EXPENSIVE... I fucked up, by assuming it to be a horrible place, I was a little pussy girl, rebelling against reality I guess you can put it..Being in Great Barrington, MA, was too much for a girl who practically grew up with family al the time all the way down in MIami... This school is also Co-ed and theres no such thing as a 1 on 1... Graduation from this school is also agood thing, educational wise.(as I have heard)... It is a voluntary program, so if you run away after 3 times, (as I did) they call your parents, and tell them they dont really want to try to keep you or help you ,because you dont want to be helped). But it is a beautiful place to live. It is at the Seres Castle (a real castle) and nice atmosphere and enviornment, if you have ever been to Marthas Vinyard, or Key West it is that sort of strange, yet neato vibe goin on.
If you can't persuade your parents to send you somewhere else, or to the John Dewey Academy, well then how old are you???? Do you have a friend far away you could run away to? Who will not phone your parents?? Do you suffer from anything? Drug or psychological abuse of any kind? Think about it....Honestly...do you have a problem? Or a problem you may not think is a problem, something natural you are going through, but as an "ADULT" they would think is a problem, from a concerned, parents eye??? If yes..what is it??? Try to find a solution??? Go through your parents stuff when they are not home, PAPERS etc, see if they are really reading or investigating The Elan School, see how serious it is. Read all the sights, print all the material, about the forums, the posts, the info on the Moxley murder etc,. the diff things people think, reviews on different schools. Suggest your parents send you to Outward Bound Program those are fun and summer is nearby.
Hope any of this helps...
Let me know...
Jenn
#143 Post by Guest » Wed Mar 17, 2004 8:26 pm
Thank you everyone...
Peter Moore--yes, they (parents) are not sending me away because they are sick people. And there are no laws against sick people, so I can't really do anything about it. Note that in my first post I put down that I don't want to sound naive...anyway, the only mistake I made was not preparing for this sooner. I have $250 not in the bank and no real escape plan. I have an IQ of 160 (very high), no identifiable problems, and I just moved 2 years ago to a town where my life is finally back on track...I have really everything I could have ever wanted (friends, popularity, decent grades), outside of my home. But there are really some horrible people in this world who can take advantage of you when you can't fight back, since you are a minor...
Thanks for the help everyone. I still don't really know what I'm going to try to do...this is all very hard. Noone should force change, and I don't think I've accepted that I'm going to be leaving for one place or another soon..God help me (pity moment).
#144 Post by Guest » Wed Mar 17, 2004 8:35 pm
arrgh...I had a reply, but I used the wrong button. I'll try to re-write it.
I meant that the parents are sending me away because they are bad people. I am perfectly fine. Which is odd, seeing how this has been going on for as long as I can remember, but I guess the result is an eventual thing. I've heard of these bounty hunter atrocities, and tho I don't expect them, I have to sleep with a fucking knife under my pillow.
I need a good psychologist. What really scares me is that no matter what happens, I will probably be destroyed forever, or become some sort of damn shell. And noone will ever know about this, because of these damn school situations. I just want to be a good person. I really can't take much more of this. If I do get out of this, tho, I will have to do something to fix all this someday :cry2:
#145 Post by Pete » Wed Mar 17, 2004 8:48 pm
"I need a good psychologist. What really scares me is that no matter what happens, I will probably be destroyed forever, or become some sort of damn shell."
No, you won't. The fact that you're willing to reach out and ask for help --whether it's to us or a psychologist -- shows inner strength. With that, you can succeed anywhere, regardless of circumstance.
"And noone will ever know about this, because of these damn school situations. I just want to be a good person. I really can't take much more of this. If I do get out of this, tho, I will have to do something to fix all this someday"
I don't know what you can do to "fix" it -- but you can avoid the nightmare many of us endured -- a long period of confinement. Strike a bargain with them to go somewhere else -- one of the places we've mentioned or to live somewhere else. And if that doesn't work, get out of state. Do not use that knife -- those bounty hunters are acting with the consent of your parents (therefore within the law) and you will likely go to jail if you stab them. Get a lawyer -- this minute!
Best of luck... hurry up!
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#146 Post by artman11111 » Wed Mar 17, 2004 9:44 pm
anon
Violence will only convince those around you how badly you need to be in a place like Elan which as you can see,everyone here is against.
We all have our own perspective axes to grind with the Elan School.From whatever era we attended.The stories run a chill up my spine today (over 25 years later).They are truly sick/perverse people.
Running away is not the answer you will be caught ... where could you go ? and for how long ?
Not the answer !!!
Child advacacy ( however its spelled) specialists are available in EVERY social service organization,state and otherwise.
Get plugged in,act now as Peter says .. He is right...
Throw that knife away before someone bigger takes it from you and uses it on ya
my email is listed and you can call anytime collect
God Bless and GOOD LUCK
Art
(wondering if this is an Elan troll)
#147 Post by Full Coor BC » Wed Mar 17, 2004 9:57 pm
anon-
I would take everything that these people are saying to you very seriously, i had to go to elan-court ordered until i graduated, which ended up being 34 months later. If i had known before what was in store for me i would have thrown on a backpack and headed west, i wouldn't have stopped until i hit the ocean.
You need to avoid being sent to elan if possible, listen to these peoples suggestions, find a trustworthy freind and discuss your options. Be very, very careful not to slip up and tell your plan to the wrong person, remember: "loose lips sink ships". You need to put your smarts to work and think things out, save as much money is possible in the meantime while making your plan. And have a "sense of urgency".
You do not want to go to elan, the time lost is reason enough and the time that you lose as a teenager can never be replaced, its really hard for me to hear about what i missed while i was disconnected to from the world.
My best description of how i remember it is that it was a bad trip that lasted three years and anyone who has ever had a bad trip knows that it seems like it will never end and there is hardly anything you can do about it, nothing is right, everyone seems out to get you (accept in elan they usually were/are).you feel like you are losing your mind and the people you may be attracted to seek out for comfort end up being the people they won't let you talk to.
Its a sad scene to look around the dining room of one of elans "houses" on a holiday and see 50 miserable homesick kids and if not home sick then sick with themselves for having to be there.
sorry about the rant but its hard for me to make sense when describing elan to someone who has never been.lets just put it this way : I had never seen a place like elan before i went there and I would not wish it on my worst enemy.
I graduated and was not a major problem when i was there but it was still a living hell, every time i thought i was doing good and on my way out they pulled me back down and added more time. I was there 9-95 to 6-98 and i was supposed to be there 18 months. Don't let the best ( and as peter said "most formative") years of your life be stolen from you.
please take this warning seriously if you take your freedom seriously, don't wait until the police or bounty hunters have you cornered. You need to go before this becomes a problem. I wish i had the forethought of escape before i was captured. Keep checking in with us and let us know how you are.
#148 Post by Marina » Thu Mar 18, 2004 1:56 am
"my email is listed and you can call anytime collect" - Can I call you collect too, Art?
::bigsmilebounce::
If anyone'd have the chance to go back in time and not be sent to Elan, trust me, they would. I know we can't change our pasts and I can't deny the fact that I've grown from this experience, so In learned to accept the facts and be thankful that it's over. Think about all the possible alternatives and act fast. There's nothing else I could say to you that wasn't mentioned previously. Listen to these guys, they are very sincere and they want to help you. Oh, by the way, don't call me collect, I live in Brazil, but you're welcome to e-mail me at any time.
Take care yo!
#149 Post by Guest » Thu Mar 18, 2004 2:42 am
yes feel free to call Art collect anytime!!!!
#150 Post by E7haterJe » Thu Mar 18, 2004 4:28 am
Whitney Long- are you male??? You were in 7?? rightand you were very thin?? Ithink I remember you if this is who u r?
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#151 Post by Marina » Thu Mar 18, 2004 5:10 am
Whitney? Red hair, blue eyes, tall, good looking, played the guitar... I remember him.
#152 Post by artman » Thu Mar 18, 2004 12:33 pm
Marina
Buy a fone card !!!! cheapskate !!!! :rofl: :rofl: :rofl:
your collect call would break me !
#153 Post by Marina » Thu Mar 18, 2004 1:56 pm
A phone card is no fun!!!!!!!!
::mecry::
#154 Post by Full Coor BC » Thu Mar 18, 2004 5:08 pm
Yep jenn, you got me i was in your house for a while before your visit with deenah j. And marina youre making me blush but thank you. jenn, it took me a while to cook up your picture in my brain but it came to me after a little reminding from jordan, i have a hard time putting names with faces of people from when i first got to elan and right before i left. I remember all the people who i was there with for several months with a little easier though. It has been very strange and exciting remembering all these people.
_________________
Whit(ney) Long
Elan 7 Veteran
09-01-95 to 06-12-98
"Leave no turn unstoned"-Jerome Garcia
"I'd rather be a free man in my grave than living as a puppet or a slave"- Jimmy Cliff
#155 Post by O.U.2 » Thu Mar 18, 2004 10:25 pm
Some one said something about Dave Lovallo. Is he the kid who got sent to E-7 from E-8 to keep him close to his gay ass brother? I was on a ban from him because we had a split contract and one day he went to E-7 for the day because he couldn't go on a trip and he told his gay ass brother about it and if you went to elan you know the rest HELL!!!! :cry2:
Also, Peter M. I was the one who asked about Eric L. and Bill M. but i was not signed in. i also wanted to know if Jeff Ortiz really killed his mom with a sledge hammer?
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#156 Post by Pete » Thu Mar 18, 2004 10:31 pm
OU2, Jeff was indeed convicted in 1998 of killing his mom with a sledgehammer the previous year. He is serving life plus 10 years (the 10 years for robbery -- he apparently took her credit cards after killing her) at the Indiana State Prison. A few years ago, a girl with whom he was in Elan told me that Jeff wrote her a letter in which he maintained his innocence.
There is a denial of Jeff's appeal on the Internet, look up "Rebecca Ortiz" (in quotes) on Google.
Who are you? If you came to E-8 in '95, I definitely know you.
#157 Post by E7haterJe » Fri Mar 19, 2004 12:23 am
wait a minute...the Whitney long i remember and i am unsure? bc when i saw u...u were there after you had short hair... i may be thinking of someone else...but that is cool you know me... Jenny i am theres pictures on a sight i can give you the link now. to see me now. of cource WAY diff from eating mud pies all day or that slop they fed us which i dont remember its name. that we gorged in daily and put like lbs on us...(of which totally shedded off upon living back in miami) but ANYWAY---
the whitney i want to try to put you with, is the whitney or guy, who was tall thin quiet, you were a new resident fairly as i remember you, you were the guy that accused Peter Rowe of making passes on you, and all this shit and then u were moved to another house after you "coped to your guilt" that you made it up? was that you? if that isnt you ...help me out to remember who u are that you remember me? I think its cool to communicate with people from the house of which we all lived in for so long together, years later. I spoke to Amanda Moore and it was cool, to see how many great strides shes made for herself and ive chilled out a few times with Miluska Martinez because her parents lived in Miami too... and that was cool.. send me a picture so i can try to remember.
#158 Post by E7haterJe » Fri Mar 19, 2004 12:26 am
oh..and oh yea... ive chilled out with shaya charm..that was some IRONIC CRAZY SHIT HOW WE BUMPED IN TO EACH OTHER... i was chillen one night at one of my friends apartments on south beach, and in through the door, walks three guys...none of which i knew...and then i take a DOUBLE TAKE ON SHAYA, AND IM LIKE NOOO WAY...WHAT THE F*** IS THIS KID DOIN IN MIAMI???? then i ask him did u go to this boarding school in MAINE!!! hes like YEA,,, and we go on and on with the questions and he and i are completly BAFFLED THE IRONICNESS OF BUMPING TO EACH OTHER like that!!!
#159 Post by O.U.2 » Fri Mar 19, 2004 2:42 pm
Was that person who wrote him the letter Lindsy B.
Peter you were a Guru right??
#160 Post by Full Coor BC » Fri Mar 19, 2004 3:54 pm
hey jenny- i don't remember accusing pete of making passes but i definitely was in your house and remember you, i just moved down to florida so i don't have my pictures unpacked, when i do i'll scan some to refresh your memory, i'd love to see some of you though, people seem to look so much different than you remember, nine or so years will do that sometimes i guess. I remember shaya, he luke ( i can't remember his last name) was in dorm c with me my first week at elan. talk to you soon.
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#161 Post by Pete » Fri Mar 19, 2004 7:27 pm
OU2, no, it was someone else. E-mail me about it, publicrelationsjenny26@yahoo.com (http://mailto:publicrelationsjenny26@yahoo.com)
See ya
Jenn
#165 Post by E7haterJe » Mon Mar 22, 2004 7:31 am
whitney everytime i try to send you an email it sends me to a weird screen and mail gets returned????? send me a pm with another email address or somethin?
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#166 Post by Guest » Mon Mar 22, 2004 11:59 pm
The kid whose parents are going to send them to Elan. There's this thing called traveler's aid, and they will buy you a bus ticket to get home. If you know someone who's 18, have them get in contact with someone on the other coast and have them say that you live there, and they buy you a ticket for free. Don't even show your parents stuff from this site, they won't listen, because Elan brainwashes people. To this day, my mother still thinks Elan is a great place and that she knew what the place was like and that everyone else on these sites is wrong.
#167 Post by Guest » Tue Mar 23, 2004 12:01 am
For the same kid, what part of the country do you live in, email me at thegreathal@mindless.com (http://mailto:thegreathal@mindless.com) :oops:
#170 Post by Full Coor BC » Tue Mar 23, 2004 10:27 pm
good luck and godspeed, brave one, we are here if you need us, sleep with one eye open.
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#171 Post by Guest » Tue Mar 23, 2004 10:40 pm
What is going to happen when this kids parents (if it really is a kid and not some sorta cop plant) call the police or the feds to report that whit long, and other people have contributed to the delinquency of a minor (encouraging an under age person to run away from home)in public, in print, leaving evidence that anyone anywhere can see?
God Speed, stupid one.
#172 Post by Full Coor BC » Tue Mar 23, 2004 10:49 pm
hey anon, have some balls post who you are. i just said what i wish someone had said to me. i find it hard to believe that my input can be called contributing to delinquency, im sure the police would find the blatent hate crimes ie:racism, harassment a bit more interesting than my kind words. keep hiding under that paper bag you wimp.
#173 Post by Guest » Tue Mar 23, 2004 11:52 pm
hahahah....
"keep hiding under that paper bag you wimp" hahaha
LMAO
:lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:
whatever...
if that.... god only knows this kid is a fake, or has more SEVERE problems, he is not telling us. Based on what he or she has told us...stuff like...he. she has no REASON why he/she is being sent to Elan is NO reason, why someone should be totured and sent to a place like Elan... So therefore, our advice, is ADVISE...he/she did not sign on any dotted line, nor did we provide any sort of address to our home providing in house safety. Right? So whatever we say is up to that he/ or she top follow, advise if he/she is really living with psycho parents that want to send he/she to Elan for NO REASON....
#174 Post by Guest » Wed Mar 24, 2004 12:05 am
If you were just giving me advice, then why were you so worried 2 posts up (unless this is a different person, in which case you should identify yourself)?
If I had anything important, I would have said it already. No point in hiding anything in this situation. I guess Elan doesn't have the best English department, as it took me maybe 5 times to actually understand what you wrote.
So...you're saying that the advice is just untrackable answers to the situation, and that I'm a fake or a liar. Next time post some evidence or apologize, please.
#175 Post by E7haterJe » Wed Mar 24, 2004 12:08 am
i dont apologize to you i apologize that i was not LOGGED on... :lol: :lol: :lol:
Jenn Jenn
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#176 Post by Guest » Wed Mar 24, 2004 4:37 am
There is nothing untrackable on the internet
#177 Post by E7haterJe » Wed Mar 24, 2004 6:18 am
i never said nor insinuated that nothing is untrackable. I just said the posters here that i know of, and myself never said anything incriminating. we only gave advice. Like I said we never had them sign nor said you have to do this. He/she will make his or her own moves. And if you have a responce to this well whatever... Im tired of responding to your posts about if He/ or She will do what we said, or will get hurt from doing what we said, needed to , or didnt need to whatever I only care that he/she makes the right decision based on what is right or wrong going on in his or her home. And that no one is ever sent to Elan for the wrong reasons. Elan is no place to fuck around with. It can cause serious long term damaging memories to go there, if he or shes parents have no real reason to send he or she there. Makes no sence. Oh well gotta go eat my brownie bites while I work on my homework. See ya.
Jenny
#178 Post by artman11111 » Wed Mar 24, 2004 11:55 am
This looks and smells just like a troll. I havent been in contact with Elan since 1981 or 2,however this "kid" feels and sounds just like a sharon/deanne troll.
With the documentary in the making,and Syn's isea of a grass roots movement,it only seems like they
"Elan" are looking to disrupt and/or discredit anyone here from this site.
I could be wrong and have been many times but ive got a funny feeling about it
There's my 2 cents
art
#179 Post by SyN » Wed Mar 24, 2004 2:05 pm
I dont think thats the only one Art, but i do agree. i dont know anyone who was told they were going to elan, untill they are in cuffs, or in my case hog tied. I think they just wanna get a rise out of us.
SyN
#180 Post by artman11111 » Wed Mar 24, 2004 7:45 pm
Anyone remember Alice "The Hun" Dunn...
The song Time will be etched in my mind forever as Alice would play it at every gm she ran.Wonder what Chris C would have to say to her today for paddling him so many times he was blistered for weeks.
Mike P and I changed his dressing every day for him... Was disgusting !!!
Alice,your behaviors,then statements at Skakel's trila only further discredit you from being a part of the human race.You put the fear of god into hundreds of kids,only to feed your sick demented ego
Wonder how many adults are still in therapy over your antics..Burn in hell
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#181 Post by Marina » Thu Mar 25, 2004 1:57 am
Hey... I was told I was going to Elan. My mother described "Elan" as a "study abroad program" for students who had problems adapting to the regular school system.
#182 Post by E7haterJe » Thu Mar 25, 2004 4:24 pm
I was at the John Dewey Academy, which I voluntarilly agreed to go to with my mom. When I arrived there, my mom said to me "Jenn you dont have to stay if you dont want to" and I said "No mom, this seems real cool, I think it will be good for me" after 2 weeks, I was calling my mom daily, crying that I wanted her to come get me, and by then she realized life without my drama, was better, and said "stay there till you graduate, I changed my mind, you have to stay", thats when I rebelled and ran away to NYC, (because you could there) and after 3 shots, the president of the academy Tom Bratter, was like "no, this is a voluntary program, we recommended The Elan School to your mom, and he kept insinuating I remember of this kid SHIT I cant remember him name, who was sent there from the John Dewey Academy too, and he was like THERE U CANT GET AWAY WITH THIS...
#183 Post by Pete » Thu Mar 25, 2004 4:31 pm
That kid from John Dewey was probably Louis Mayerson. Nice guy.
#184 Post by E7haterJe » Thu Mar 25, 2004 4:40 pm
no i do remember his name started with a J
#185 Post by Guest » Thu Mar 25, 2004 6:03 pm
there were sorta...complications...on going yesterday. so I don't know. I could either hastily run away today, or wait for a more suitable time even though I have only a week or two to decide.
As for everyone saying I'm a troll, I was trying to be nice about it, but I don't appreciate having accusations thrown at me, so FUCK YOU.
that felt good. Anyway, you were saying how you weren't told about Elan--I believe that;
-everyone involved is to squeamish to hire a bounty hunter for whatever reason, I guess lest they look really bad, and
-they wouldn't get or keep me in a car for long either lying or not telling me where I was going.
e7, or anyone, what exactly did you do in NYC? I have everything worked out, except I still don't have much of an idea where I can stay.
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#186 Post by artman11111 » Fri Mar 26, 2004 12:09 pm
Thanks Deanna ::bangin:: ::spam:: ::spam:: ::spam::
#187 Post by Pete » Fri Mar 26, 2004 3:54 pm
Art don't do that. I don't think the kid's a troll.
If you try to seek out a Catholic charity shelter like Covenant House, they will probably put you up. But should you really run away? Have you tried to reason with your parents?
#188 Post by artman11111 » Fri Mar 26, 2004 7:08 pm
just too many coincidence's
i could be wrong .. and hope i am
But i am a synic at heart and put nothing past the Elan corp...
#189 Post by SyN » Sat Mar 27, 2004 3:24 am
sorry to say your a troll kid if you aren't. But survivors dont seem to trust much, thats why we congregate together, and are striving to end the elan program and hopefully others.
Nothing personal, but if you do go to Elan you will understand.
First piece of advice. Dont run. from experience you cant comprehend untill your older. dont run. thats what they want, it seals, and sells the deal. you run your deamed out of controll and cant be trusted. Equaling incarceration for your own good. DIG?
Second, if your not there yet, you have unlimited hope. Share this site with them, as well as jackies site.
http://groups.msn.com/TIMETOCLOSETHEDOORSOFELAN (http://groups.msn.com/TIMETOCLOSETHEDOORSOFELAN)
honestly no one here knows what goes on in elan alums forums dedicated to parents, so i cannot say or recomend that one fully but the open forums tells the tale.
Start finding out for your self where you stand with them at this imediate time so as to know what you need to do to not get enrolled.
Third. straighten the fuk up and play the game right. Something your doing is getting you sent to a horrible place ment as " tough love." Even if you dont agree staighten the fuk up and play the game right. Game being life man.
Its how everyone else plays and gets by, there will be hella time to define your self and create the reality you want now, but cant have. Teen years are rough, dont loose them. Most of us dont know what it was like to be 15 16 17 18. We lost that time and will never get it back. dont fuk your time up man, or chik, w/e
recap and define your self, but do it subtly and without harm to anyone, (anyone includes you).
The only philosophy that stuck with me through my elan time
Seeing yourselves in the eyes of others shall demand change.
It is actually showing its'self now. Be well and feel free to email me if you want some help or a person to talk to.
you can change it all if you want to.
hopefully you arent a fukn troll and i didnt just waste all this time and space for nada.
SyN
#190 Post by E7haterJe » Mon Mar 29, 2004 1:15 am
Wow!!!!! That was beautifully said!!! I love the way you put all your thoughts together...
All so true...
Jenny :nworthy:
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#191 Post by SyN » Mon Mar 29, 2004 3:22 am
thanks, my ghetto keeps slippin out though. lol ::hehehmm::
Syn
#192 Post by Guest » Sun Apr 04, 2004 1:33 pm
ELAN IS HELL RUN FOR YOUR FUCKING LIFE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!NOW STOP READING AND GO!
#193 Post by Guest » Sun Apr 04, 2004 11:58 pm
RUN RUN LIKE AN ANTELOPE
ROLL ROLL LIKE CANTELOPE
#194 Post by Guest » Thu Apr 08, 2004 4:21 am
On 2002-08-28 03:59:00, Anonymous wrote:
how about the guy who used to piss shit and throw up in his hands and then throw it on people.
or the time they tied him to the chair with restaints and then his sp's dumped him down the stairs while still tied to the chair.
or the time when two kids ran away from elan 3 and the strength sent after them from elan 7 beat the living shit out of them in the woods, and never told staff, how do i know, i was one of them( the strength).
or the time when one of the children there was sexually molested by a staff memeber and they covered it up by sending him to another house.....
the list keeps getting bigger....
and bigger.....
are you talking about chris williams? the pathetic kid from maine or the kid that got booted from 7 to 3?
#195 Post by Guest » Thu Apr 08, 2004 4:26 am
Hey, I was looking up criticisms of John Dewey Academy on the net, and very suprisingly i found almost none. This isn't to say that JDA is not a beneficial school for those who complete it, but my story as a very brief student there (a few years ago by now) was outright ridiculous. When my parents came down to help me out after I was having trouble in my second week, Mr. Bratter called my Mother a "stupid bitch" because she disagreed with his idea of making me wear an eight inch dildo around my neck, to signify that I was going to be raped if i ever left the school. Then i was also told that I would be selling myself out on the street to make a living as a 15 year old boy. Tom Bratter may have helped a lot of people out, and I don't deny it, but I just want people to have a better idea of the bullshit that he will pull when provoked (and i certainly did provoke it) By the way i was also threatened to go to Elan, and managed to convince my parents to turn back about 40 minutes from the entrance. Thank fucking God
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#196 Post by Guest » Thu Apr 08, 2004 10:45 am
On 2004-04-07 21:26:00, Anonymous wrote:
By the way i was also threatened to go to Elan, and managed to convince my parents to turn back about 40 minutes from the entrance. Thank fucking God
Consider yourself touched by an angel.
#197 Post by xres8182 » Thu Apr 08, 2004 12:59 pm
Dildo around your neck? That's some funny shit
#198 Post by Guest » Fri Apr 09, 2004 12:04 am
hey marina,this is valerie martinez just thought id say whats up luv y lots
#199 Post by Guest » Fri Apr 09, 2004 3:17 am
yeah, i was stouched by an angel instead of a fucking Mainer Heroin addict. Maine Sucks worse than a vietnamese jizz whore.
OH yeah, i forgot to mention this, Tom's desk drawer and the "leave at anytime policy is bullshit" i left and Tom called the cops on me, only to bring me back so he could tell me "think of me when you're getting raped" and then sent me to the police station.
#200 Post by SyN » Fri Apr 09, 2004 5:42 am
got a # we can reach this prick at?
SyN
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#201 Post by E7haterJe » Sat Apr 10, 2004 9:33 pm
Who are you???? That you went to JDA?? I went there...ugh....
Were you there around the time...when Tom Bratter was getting acussed of molesting a girl in Scarsedale? I looked it up online to see if I could find any stories about it but I couldnt find it.
I remember, when I first met him with my mom, and heard he was being accused of those rape charges, I felt he was capable of those things, from thevibe I got from him....(If your a girl, you can get vibes from men by the way they look at you) ewwww.....
He used to plan outings, which involved going to his actual house!
What kind of owner at a theraputical boarding school, plans an all day event at his personal house? I remember we all went to his house, we had a huge bar-b-que, and me and like 2 girls and a couple of guys and Tom Bratter, sat in this huge jacuzzi/hot tob on his back porch. The only things I can remember loving about JDA now that I think back is, being able to do whatever you wanted when you needed too, the beautiful ceiling in my bed room,the huge Castle the I lived in, the painting I have that I painted of JDA while sitting under a tree outside of the whole front of the school actually, it was the back. Playing sports in front. Sitting on the pay phone down stairs by the main bathroom with my feet up. Walking to the store to buy shampoo and stuff. Talking to the strange yet intresting people in that small town of Great Barrington.
Whatever...and more....
I left 3 times--from JDA on the bus t Port Authority to stay in NYC with my cousin. I remember I used to buy my ticket at that store across the road, that sold ickets and I was 16 yrs old, which in that town was a legal age for smoking traveling etc...like 18 is here, 16 then was like being 18. I remember saying fuck it, buying a pack of smokes(bc you couldnt smoke there) and smoking smokes while waiting for the bus, and like 3 people from the school saying come on Jenn come back to JDA. I was like hell no. They couldnt restrain, grab or force youthere that was in humane-not even thought of behavior.
OH- and about the kid who feced on himself and vomited and threw it on people- he was in my house in E7, his name was Jesse. He went through a faze....He was reaLLY depressed, and lost his pride for a whle in the corner, I guess he forgot who he was, he was so desperate to get out of Elan, he stooped sOOOO low!! Eventually, Jesse got a GM with a ring against Luke Thomas at our house, he got a few rounds of I thought was abuse! I cried in every RING i saw...I knew it JUST wasnt right! Tania Merrett and a few people used to be like Jenny, cheer get in it...I would sit in the dining room or cry. I remember there was a GM/RING when I was an Expeditor. It took me sooo long to get Expeditor from shot doiwn, and when I heard we were having a RING i was like OH SHIT>>cause I knew Id break. They made me cry. And I got shotdown. for not partiipating. Anyway- Jesse got a ring...i remember he begged for it to stop, and Tania Merett was right there on the side saying "NO NO...what are you gonna do to change blah blah" like 5-6 rounds I remember...Jesse got knocked up pretty bad...Luke was real mad too I remember!! It was just plain wrong....
And yes, they moved him to 3 I think. I think SYN knew him after. I remember when Jesse first gotn to 7, he was a nice kid, Elan just tore him up...to revert to what he did do there....
The other kid, I cant remember his name he was this kid who looked maybe Spanish or Indian, tall and REALLLLLLY skinny1!! like a boney tooth pick...He had short hair around his head like a bowl cut.
He came out with these acusations, that Peter Rowe had sexually molested him. Peter Rowe and Tania Merret cam in front of the house, and Peter Rowe put on the lamest tearey eye, I m so depressed, pitty party for him because he said this kid accused him, and his parents want an investigation and he wasnt able to work out of E7 till the charges were solved. Later--that kid said he made it up...Who knows??? Id believ it...if Peter Rowe did molest him....Eventually- they moved him too....Poor guy....
Then there was Shane. I liked Shane...He was SOOO nice,,,He reminded me of a Kurt Cobain. He was soo cool....He eventually made it in to the corner.. He didnt go to the bathroom or vomit on himself, or acuse anyone of sexual buse, he REFUSED to EAT!
That guy didnt eat ANYTHING FOR A WHOLE WEEK OR 2!!!! He said he wanted to die and starved himself laying down in the corner. Eventually the nurse had to come and they were going to put a tube in him. To feed hm, but his parents were worried and pulled him out...Lucky KID...
Then there was this kid Nick White who was from Maine....Someohow he got HOOKED UP...He was aloud to see his parents and family LIKE EVERY DAY!!! I was soo jealous..
and also----
there was this kid named: Ryan Montemerlo, he was from Massachusetts somewhere....
his parents would come all the time too...nd he would get special treatment visits outings all the TIME!!!
Anyways--
what else can I say? Mike should call him up and say"Hey I was intrested in sending my daughter there, although I was a little concerned because I heard the owner(Tom Bratter) was acussed of molesting a girl at JDA....
#202 Post by Guest » Sat Apr 10, 2004 10:06 pm
wow another useless story from that whacko bitch!
#203 Post by E7haterJe » Sat Apr 10, 2004 10:08 pm
Oh, SYN, what happened with the documentary thing?
#204 Post by Guest » Sat Apr 10, 2004 11:20 pm
Are you guys still coming to chicago for stories?
#205 Post by Guest » Sun Apr 11, 2004 12:03 am
What kind of releases do you need and why?
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#206 Post by SyN » Sun Apr 11, 2004 12:13 am
Jen, are you refering to Jesse Campbell? He was a cherokee i think or something, but was from west virginia. I knew Jesse well and he did do some messed up stuff, but all in all I really liked him. He was a super funny guy with a great personality once you got to know him. And he wailed on a harmonica. Elan changed alot of people, especially the young kids who were going to be stuck there for years since they were 14 when enrolled. One kid was 13 when enrolled and he was crazy, just cause he knew he was going to be there forever.
SyN
#207 Post by MorIi » Sun Apr 11, 2004 1:15 am
Yerbouti, do you take it in the booty you flaming homo?
#208 Post by MorIi » Sun Apr 11, 2004 1:15 am
yipeeeee
#209 Post by Guest » Sun Apr 11, 2004 2:12 am
I'm not the poster from chicago . Now what kind of release do you need and why?
This is a very simple question . really
#210 Post by Guest » Sun Apr 11, 2004 3:12 am
You have no idea what you are talking about. A boy did die at Elan 7 during the early 80's from a brain aneurysm, i remember him. I don't believe that anything done by Elan was the cause of his death, however. Aneurysm's are almost impossible to detect, even today. But the medical care at that time was certainly less than adequate.
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#211 Post by xres8182 » Sun Apr 11, 2004 2:44 pm
[ This Message was edited by: xres8182 on 2005-08-30 12:57 ]
#212 Post by Guest » Sun Apr 11, 2004 3:19 pm
are you refering to the ring Claires husband was in?
#213 Post by E7haterJe » Sun Apr 11, 2004 6:16 pm
wow!! theres some wacky replys in this category...
OK---
Jordan--
I have not ignored you...Where is the confusion? Im sorry? Didnt I say, if you guys werent coming to Fl, that I wasnt going to Philly? If I was in a forgetful state of mind, and confused that point of information with someone else..my bad... no I am not going to be able to be part of your documentary, due to----I cant GO to Philly, and dont want to go to Philly. Its too far, too foregin to me, and just something I am not prepared to do in SOO many ways...I wish you well though in it. I have not been around so much on the boards,. This is the only topic I have really been in to, I HAVE checked some of the other ones, but very quickly and I have made some responces but very skimming like. :???: The whole idea sounds very intresting and I was VERY in to the whole idea, but I need to be in Miami right now. Sorry.
SYN---yes, jesse campbell was his name....
WOW,,,he played the harmonica, cool. Do you have his email? How is he doing now do you know?
Do you know Rob Pheffier or benjamin?> He has been emailing me. He says he is from 7? Right before I probably got in, I remember Tania Merett using him as an example of an unsucessful Elanney? during General Meetings?
#214 Post by xres8182 » Sun Apr 11, 2004 8:40 pm
Baghead is referring to the Phil Williams incident.How can you say elan had nothing to do with his death.They put him in a boxing ring after hearing him complain of headaches for months.Phil was my friend and he was a mild guy considering the fact his father put a bullet in his mother's brain.This truly is one of elan's secrets.I wish I could remember why he was put in the ring.I would bet money it had something to do with his headaches,because he was not someone to act out phisically.Anon do I know you
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#215 Post by Guest » Mon May 17, 2004 2:34 pm
Rumors are one thing, fact is another! And starting a rumor is yet another ... usually, for revenge. As I have had my bouts with addiction which seem to hit every 15 years or so, I make sure I don't work where I am helping others. I seek therapy, go to meetings and stop it before any damage is done to myself or others. It's something I openly admit and must live with. If you consider me abusive, that is an opinion and you are entitled to it for sure. FACT ... I have never been arrested for possesion and have never been arrested for spousal abuse. The fact is I have never HIT, HURT or EVEN threatend any woman let alone my wife. For the people that eat-up the negative comments about others on this site concerning arrest records the FACTS are easy enough to find. Any web detective check site will do the trick. If you rebel don't do it in a way where others are hurt intentialy or hurt yourself ... Only ONE soul to a customer!!! Evaluate all sides. Are you a king or a pawn? Or in this case are you just sheep?
This is the first and last time I will read anything on this site or address anything on this site. Life is too short to entertain rumors and arguments in cyber space, or to entertain lying and the need to over defend oneself, plus it's like hanging around negative people. For the most part "You are who you hang with" at least in my situations. I've learned a lot of lessons in life by making mistakes. For those of you that have pointed out things like arrogance etc. THANK YOU, for without looking at these things and trying really hard to change them I risk a spiritual death! Life is not linier nor is it black and white. If I don't embrace the struggles that change offers I risk stagnation.
Concerning Elan ... I never believed in the ring, having someone sit in the corner for a lengthy time or general meetings where people stand up close and yell. My opinion ... GMs should happen from one's chair where they expound on their anger and not necessarily yelling. I was one of the people that fought to have the crowd stand back at least 10ft. As for the ring, people that are violent and afraid to work in groups and be honest in conversations and confrontaions with staff and other students just don't belong there. And the corner can be affective but if the students and staff are smarter and use those smarts and compassion that situation can be avoided.
Marc
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#216 Post by xres8182 » Mon May 17, 2004 4:34 pm
Everything I have ever shared with this board is the absolute truth and I can find the people to back it up.
#217 Post by Marina » Tue May 18, 2004 1:32 pm
Marc (Just in case you DO read this)-
I don't know if what they are saying is true or not, but I agree with you that not everything you read here is true and some people like to start rumors. Most people that post here hold on to some sort of anger and resentment from their experience in Elan, yet that does not make them negative. I've learned much from being in Elan and so did a lot of people but we can't deny the fact that we've been treated horribly at some point and exposed to some level of humilliation that was totally unecessary. I don't blame Elan for my problems, from my understanding, they've helped and damaged me at the same time. I'm still thankful for the people who were supportive toward me and although I might not like every staff member there, I don't hate anyone there, except Peter Rowe.
I understand that some people that post here might have been unfair to you by sarting rumors or twisting the facts (Quite frankly: I don't know, wasn't there, can't relate to the situation), but don't you think that you're being unfair by generalizing? I don't hang out with negative people, this is just a web site not my life, and If you take the time to read some of these posts, you'll notice there are good and bad posts. Some people contribute with this site with intelligent remarks, some criticizing, some talking about memories, some really speaking from the heart.
Why do people post here? Because Elan was a rather intense experience for most people and we feel that we need some sort of link with our past. We've been through the same experience, this is where we may find people that undestand exactly what we've gone through and at the same time, we get to share some memories and find old friends.
I think it'd be nicer If you addressed the specific people that might have upset you.
Peace!
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#218 Post by O.U.2 » Wed May 19, 2004 2:54 pm
Fuck this motherfucker and if it really is Marc, Fuck you even harder.
Not once in all that bullshit he wrote did he apologize for any of the people he hurt, misguided, or was just a plain old DICK to. As for myself I could care less if he apolgize's or no or even if he risks his "spiritual death."
My hatered towards this man goes beyond any point imagenable but, i would have a world of respect for him if he just came out and said he was wrong and im sorry.
At least apologize to everyone in general.
#219 Post by Guest » Thu May 27, 2004 6:24 am
Jordan, who was your favorite teacher? Remember the teachers??
#220 Post by Guest » Thu May 27, 2004 12:41 pm
MR LAVALEEE was up dawg, you were my favorite teacher, hands down, u let gave me credit for writing about pink floyd, and english soccer, to bad we couldn't hang out and kick a ball around. i always could tell in your eyes how u recall thought about élan and their staff, but u were still the man, i also apologize for any time that i might have gotten stupid in your class, but i gotta thank you for that 98 u gave me the summer of 97, those 3 months were the best i had at élan, they actually let me take my night man sleep by going out and playing soccer by myself, nothing could have been better to get away form the crazy elan 7 house. just an update, i never really did much with writing, i started a band in 99 and wrote a bunch of songs, which they promptly stole after i left the band, lol now i work in philadelphia as a video editor/camera man doing commercials for local bars and clubs, and covering the entire music scene. i was certified by apple computers in their editing software back in 2001, and have made more money doing what i do, than i would have had i gotten with bullshit bachelors in whatever from whatever. i tried to produce a film on elan with my old man, but my father is having like a 3rd mid life crisis and im going through my own career and personal changes. Whitney long and i are moving out to california in the fall. where i we'll be living in north hollywood, i plan to land THE JOB before i move out there. anyway, my life has turned out alot better than elan had me thinking, when i signed out of there they told me i was on to fuck up my life, fuck them for saying that,with the exception of my crazy ass family, i have tried to maintain ambition in my life and my career, and once again there isn't a summer that goes by where i don't think about being in elan, but ill tell ya having a good, inspiring teacher is what education is all about, just so ya know my freshman year in college i brought in Floyd's time and was able to get the whole class to write about it, i got an A (probably the only i had ever gotten, lol) thanks again man and stay in touch..
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#221 Post by E7haterJe » Fri May 28, 2004 11:44 am
Was it Mr. Remey? bear belly, bald, glasses? Looked like a resemblence of a sexual offender? I liked him, up until I found out--although--- he was being nice to me, and Rebecca Foreman and a couple of us others--he was going behind our backs, and telling staff we were being this way or that way, when we werent being this way or that way. and we would get gi buckets during movies. that was wrong!! fucked up teacher./ i dont remember his name, but i liked the math teacher. he hooked me up! in high school that is...cause then when i got in to college!!! i didnt know what that FUCK i was doing!!! in elan though...he made my mom think--i was learning, i was acing math...NOT! but he was down...
and the art teacher was deep... im sure there are others but i cant remember. :question:
#222 Post by E7haterJe » Fri Jun 04, 2004 12:07 pm
is anyone going to answer this?
Whats Hirem Sibleys new email? someone told me on this sight, that the reason why he didnt respond to my first email, years ago, wasnt because i was such a defiant girl, or because he was a traiter like i thought, but he really is a nice guy and i had the wrong email. this is what i was told on this sight. so i want to attempt to send him another email...someone please respond..thankx
jenn
#223 Post by Guest » Wed Jul 14, 2004 4:22 pm
This was a good thread before Jordan and others changed the subject.Does Mr Lavalley have any secrets
#224 Post by Guest » Wed Jul 14, 2004 4:24 pm
If Rosenbergs working there again,I bet he's got some secrets
#225 Post by XPrincessX » Fri Jul 23, 2004 7:27 am
You are a faggot under an anonymous name,step up bitch and face the real music!
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#215 Post by Guest » Mon May 17, 2004 2:34 pm
Rumors are one thing, fact is another! And starting a rumor is yet another ... usually, for revenge. As I have had my bouts with addiction which seem to hit every 15 years or so, I make sure I don't work where I am helping others. I seek therapy, go to meetings and stop it before any damage is done to myself or others. It's something I openly admit and must live with. If you consider me abusive, that is an opinion and you are entitled to it for sure. FACT ... I have never been arrested for possesion and have never been arrested for spousal abuse. The fact is I have never HIT, HURT or EVEN threatend any woman let alone my wife. For the people that eat-up the negative comments about others on this site concerning arrest records the FACTS are easy enough to find. Any web detective check site will do the trick. If you rebel don't do it in a way where others are hurt intentialy or hurt yourself ... Only ONE soul to a customer!!! Evaluate all sides. Are you a king or a pawn? Or in this case are you just sheep?
This is the first and last time I will read anything on this site or address anything on this site. Life is too short to entertain rumors and arguments in cyber space, or to entertain lying and the need to over defend oneself, plus it's like hanging around negative people. For the most part "You are who you hang with" at least in my situations. I've learned a lot of lessons in life by making mistakes. For those of you that have pointed out things like arrogance etc. THANK YOU, for without looking at these things and trying really hard to change them I risk a spiritual death! Life is not linier nor is it black and white. If I don't embrace the struggles that change offers I risk stagnation.
Concerning Elan ... I never believed in the ring, having someone sit in the corner for a lengthy time or general meetings where people stand up close and yell. My opinion ... GMs should happen from one's chair where they expound on their anger and not necessarily yelling. I was one of the people that fought to have the crowd stand back at least 10ft. As for the ring, people that are violent and afraid to work in groups and be honest in conversations and confrontaions with staff and other students just don't belong there. And the corner can be affective but if the students and staff are smarter and use those smarts and compassion that situation can be avoided.
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If this in fact is Marc as his name would indicate in the end, then I would like a opportunity to challenge him on his claim that he never believed in the ring, corner, signs and GM's ect... because his actions say something different.
I spoke with Marc last in 1993 and most of our conversation was concerning Elan's discipline. How barbaric it was and how it was allowed to continue. Marc said, (not verbatim) well were still getting a lot of state kids and this is all they respond to. State kids poor white kids, African Americans and Hispanic. I was one of them. State pays primarily 100% of fee.
Now I also know ex-employees of these places go through a shift in conscious and start to realize that hey maybe I really did not want to be this way or act this way, I just went along like sheep. It can be very baffling experience to go through. Not to say oh lets feel sorry for Marc or me. No please don't read that into this.
I just wish if it was him that he would of posted more and wrote a apology letter. It seems he was just starting to set the table then he quit.
Well Marc if you read these posts like I've been told you do at times. Read this, reach down deep and help someone like you have never done it before in your life. Make amends. They do transcend.
Danny
P.S. I did not mean to say that "State Kids" were the only ones being abused with the violence or the corner. No, you and I know that is not true. This was his bigoted perception.
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#226 Post by Guest » Fri Dec 24, 2004 10:39 am
who are you? this is matt shakespeare.. you were there during my time
#227 Post by Guest » Fri Dec 24, 2004 11:54 am
Matt you are a faggot stop fucking pete rowes asshole you cock sucker
#228 Post by Guest » Tue Dec 28, 2004 8:34 pm
I used to go over to elan 8 for school. You all know where i'm coming from when I swear it was the highlight of my day to get out of my house and come over there, even if I couldnt' talk with you all.
#229 Post by Guest » Wed Dec 29, 2004 7:32 pm
hey I probably went to school with you, I had Mr Lavalee and Mr. Pallin and I was from e3.
#230 Post by Guest » Tue Jan 11, 2005 5:33 pm
Yes Peter was arrogant and i did not get along with him. I was one of the ones praying that i was not in his group partially because he will not stop until you admit that he is 100% correct in anything that he says but also because i had done something wrong. The scales tip both ways...we must admit that to ourserlves if no one else.
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#231 Post by Guest » Tue Jan 11, 2005 5:43 pm
Marina F. from 7??? From Brazil?? Remember E. Hill??
#232 Post by Guest » Tue Jan 11, 2005 5:48 pm
Shakespeare...what are YOU doing on this site???
--Hill
#233 Post by Sweet Girl » Tue Jan 11, 2005 6:38 pm
Is that really Eric Hill?!!! If so this is Kate B. from 7. Yes, that is THE "Marina from Brazil"!
Well, if it is you email me at katiescarlet3@hotmail.com It would be really great to hear from you and to catch up with eachother. I hope all is well!! :grin:
#234 Post by Jane2 » Sun Jan 16, 2005 2:27 pm
On 2004-03-25 08:24:00, E7haterJe wrote:
I was at the John Dewey Academy, which I voluntarilly agreed to go to with my mom. When I arrived there, my mom said to me "Jenn you dont have to stay if you dont want to" and I said "No mom, this seems real cool, I think it will be good for me" after 2 weeks, I was calling my mom daily, crying that I wanted her to come get me, and by then she realized life without my drama, was better, and said "stay there till you graduate, I changed my mind, you have to stay", thats when I rebelled and ran away to NYC, (because you could there) and after 3 shots, the president of the academy Tom Bratter, was like "no, this is a voluntary program, we recommended The Elan School to your mom, and he kept insinuating I remember of this kid SHIT I cant remember him name, who was sent there from the John Dewey Academy too, and he was like THERE U CANT GET AWAY WITH THIS...
Hey... my name's Josie and I went to John Dewey, ran away, then got sent to Elan. I graduated from Elan and then my mom sent me BACK to JDA. She said that she didn't want me to go home and fuck up again. Well, I ran away again. That place made no sense. It was like, we would have these groups and Tom would get in my face and tell me I wasn't getting to my issues, and I was like, "what issues? Please tell me what you're talking about it, and I'll do the best I can to work through them." Well, he never did. I just used to sit in groups and cry while he screamed at me for something, I have no idea what.
I called up Tania M crying, telling her it wasn't fair that I busted my ass at Elan and then I was back at that fucking place. It was nice, it was a castle, but there was something not right about it, you know? Did you ever go in the basement? It was an old slaughterhouse and there was a big hook hanging from the ceiling.
My first time through, I was in with the girl that ended up suing him for abuse. I don't think that she would have lied about it. Tom B was a creep from hell. I can't believe that he still runs that place. He should be locked up.
#235 Post by Guest » Wed Nov 30, 2005 5:54 am
FUCK YOU :exclaim: :exclaim: :exclaim: :exclaim: :exclaim: :exclaim: :exclaim: :exclaim: :exclaim: :exclaim: :flame: :flame: :flame: :flame: :skull: :skull: :skull: :skull: :skull: :skull: :skull: :skull: :skull: :skull:
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#236 Post by Guest » Wed Nov 30, 2005 6:22 am
Run as fast as you can. :exclaim: :exclaim: :exclaim: :exclaim: :exclaim: :exclaim: :wave: :wave: :wave: :wave: :wave:
#237 Post by Guest » Wed Nov 30, 2005 6:32 am
That bitch put me in the ring 5 times. Fucken CUNT . :exclaim: :exclaim: :exclaim: :exclaim: :skull: :skull: :skull: :skull: :skull: :skull: :skull: :skull: :skull: :skull: :skull:
#238 Post by Guest » Wed Nov 30, 2005 6:50 am
Marc, you are a FUCKEN liar. Im A woman and you treated me like shit my whole time there in the late 70s. You put me in the RING 4 rounds at Elan 4. Who the hell are you running your BULLSHIT too. Poor Jimmy Poluckus. Remember what you did to him you sick fuck.By the way asshole my name is Diane Schriver . You made my life a living hell. Ill never forget you you skinny coked out piece of shit. I know who the real Marc Rosenberg is. Dont I.1978/1981. :skull: :skull: :skull: :skull: :skull: :skull: :skull: :skull: :skull: :skull: :skull: :skull: :skull: :skull: :skull: :skull: :skull: :skull: :skull: :skull: :skull: :skull: :skull: :skull: :skull: :skull:
#239 Post by Guest » Wed Nov 30, 2005 11:41 am
Thank you Diane Schriver You are a girl a that means the world too this board that fucking heroin addict has no place in child care!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Thanks HUN I Love YAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
#240 Post by Guest » Wed Nov 30, 2005 11:43 am
Seriously you have ni idea I cant stand the arrogant prick........ Rissign ROSENBUBURB,,, HAVE A STAND WITH US... YOU WILL LOSE....
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#241 Post by Guest » Wed Nov 30, 2005 11:45 am
Okay don't side with us if you can't spell.
#242 Post by SS esq » Wed Nov 30, 2005 8:41 pm
form the looks of it, it seems like to me some elan staf members had came to this site in the past and threw in their 2 cents. I would love to see some elan staff members step forward and participate in a debate here and answer questions, how about it? Marty? Jeff? Marc? you guys man enough to come forward?
#243 Post by Guest » Wed Nov 30, 2005 10:15 pm
Now your talking but I asure you that will never happen not til the day they close Elan, maybe not even then these men will not admit to their GUILT!!!!!!
#244 Post by Guest » Thu Dec 01, 2005 1:38 am
that was undermining right there, cop to it, drop a slip.
#245 Post by Guest » Thu Dec 01, 2005 2:00 am
I would love to drop a slip ya gotta slip box? An encounter group would be great I would love to get some feelings off....
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#246 Post by Guest » Thu Dec 01, 2005 2:11 am
feelin froggy motherfucker??
#247 Post by Mr. Pink's Attorney » Thu Dec 01, 2005 4:28 pm
that sounded undermining too, verbal reprimand, GI the stalls
#248 Post by SHH Anon Classics » Thu Dec 01, 2005 4:56 pm
What is drop a slip?
#249 Post by Guest » Thu Dec 01, 2005 8:18 pm
you put your feelings toward someone on a slip and drop it in the box, the staff log them, and usually you end up in an encounter group to fuckin rip them apart...thats pretty much it bro, hope I helped you out!
#250 Post by Guest » Thu Dec 01, 2005 8:19 pm
You get a GI Movie mutha fucka nigga hoe bitch, word up ..hahaa
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#251 Post by Guest » Fri Dec 02, 2005 3:08 am
This is Diane and I would love to hear that mother fucker O D ed on some bad shit. I d piss on his grave. ::armed:: ::armed:: ::armed:: ::armed:: ::armed:: ::armed:: ::armed:: ::armed:: ::armed:: :skull: :skull: :skull: :skull: :skull: :skull: :skull: :skull: :skull: :skull: :skull: :skull: :skull: :skull: :skull: :skull:
#252 Post by Guest » Fri Dec 02, 2005 3:10 am
On 2005-11-30 12:41:00, SS esq wrote:
form the looks of it, it seems like to me some elan staf members had came to this site in the past and threw in their 2 cents. I would love to see some elan staff members step forward and participate in a debate here and answer questions, how about it? Marty? Jeff? Marc? you guys man enough to come forward?
They aer pussies. I love to meet up with one of them out here. :skull: :skull:
#253 Post by Guest » Wed May 02, 2007 8:17 pm
how about the guy who used to piss shit and throw up in his hands and then throw it on people.
or the time they tied him to the chair with restaints and then his sp's dumped him down the stairs while still tied to the chair.
or the time when two kids ran away from elan 3 and the strength sent after them from elan 7 beat the living shit out of them in the woods, and never told staff, how do i know, i was one of them( the strength).
or the time when one of the children there was sexually molested by a staff memeber and they covered it up by sending him to another house.....
the list keeps getting bigger....
and bigger.....
I remember a kid back in the 90's who did that..What was his name? Chris?...It was 91 or 92 and he had dreds and was in the corner his entire stay! He was in 7 then for some reason ended up in the corner of 3 and Marc took him into 3 cuz he was getting along with us all. He got out of the corner and ended up right back in the corner 1 or 2 days later..So much for a house switch for the better huh? He could barely walk when he ended up getting taken out by his dad cuz he had been in the corner for so long he got sick from lack of excercise and sunlight. Was his name craig? I forgot his fucking name! I hate that!
I heard Marc say to SP's to not talk to him, not humor him, etc..Marc started talking mad shit to him and calling him a fucking loser and saying he was going to die in the corner, his dad would never get him out, etc..In one second Marc went from being his best fucking friend to his worst enemy. He would feed him 1-2 hours later than everyone else, refuse his daily showers for 3-4 days at a time (he stunk), kept him in the stairwell going up to 3's mens dorms instead of in a room where there was a window and stimulation.
I went on an SP in 7 once during their gym time It was for a girl named Sherry or Chery whatever the spelling. She used to act out ALL the time! She gave every Sp holy hell. She said she would not act out if I was on her Sp so they put me on it. I liked the girl a lot she was mad cool. We were a lot alike. I talked to her the entire time and it went fast. I felt bad leaving her there. 7 sucked. As soon as her Sp came in the room she turned her chair into the corner and went mute. I wrote a vague report for her staff and said maybe she would do better in 7 if the ppl would lighten up a little bit and remember that they were in her posistion and that they were not staff but kids like her trying to survive in a rotten place. I got in SOOOO much trouble! Marc gave me a VR/TT personally! I almost got demoted to RR but I wangled my job back. You see Sherry had been on my Sp many times and I never fucked with her either cuz she was cool. I saved the shit for the Sp's from my house. Hypocrites!
#254 Post by Guest » Wed May 02, 2007 8:28 pm
On 2004-03-25 08:24:00, E7haterJe wrote:
I was at the John Dewey Academy, which I voluntarilly agreed to go to with my mom. When I arrived there, my mom said to me "Jenn you dont have to stay if you dont want to" and I said "No mom, this seems real cool, I think it will be good for me" after 2 weeks, I was calling my mom daily, crying that I wanted her to come get me, and by then she realized life without my drama, was better, and said "stay there till you graduate, I changed my mind, you have to stay", thats when I rebelled and ran away to NYC, (because you could there) and after 3 shots, the president of the academy Tom Bratter, was like "no, this is a voluntary program, we recommended The Elan School to your mom, and he kept insinuating I remember of this kid SHIT I cant remember him name, who was sent there from the John Dewey Academy too, and he was like THERE U CANT GET AWAY WITH THIS...
Hey... my name's Josie and I went to John Dewey, ran away, then got sent to Elan. I graduated from Elan and then my mom sent me BACK to JDA. She said that she didn't want me to go home and fuck up again. Well, I ran away again. That place made no sense. It was like, we would have these groups and Tom would get in my face and tell me I wasn't getting to my issues, and I was like, "what issues? Please tell me what you're talking about it, and I'll do the best I can to work through them." Well, he never did. I just used to sit in groups and cry while he screamed at me for something, I have no idea what.
I called up Tania M crying, telling her it wasn't fair that I busted my ass at Elan and then I was back at that fucking place. It was nice, it was a castle, but there was something not right about it, you know? Did you ever go in the basement? It was an old slaughterhouse and there was a big hook hanging from the ceiling.
My first time through, I was in with the girl that ended up suing him for abuse. I don't think that she would have lied about it. Tom B was a creep from hell. I can't believe that he still runs that place. He should be locked up.
I remember you Josie, you did do well in Elan. Why you were sent back to JDA is beyond me. Why JDA even accepted you is beyond me also. You were NOT appropiate for their school. You were not what they took in criteria wise.
It would be like sending a innocent off of the streets to prison. Makes no sense.
You say you ran away from JDA. Were you almost 18? What happened with you after that?
Are you OK now?
#255 Post by Guest » Wed May 02, 2007 8:32 pm
Anyone looking for help from Tania M. is a crazy and will realize she is a fraud!
She was a disgusting, cruel, heartless, sick woman.
I hope real estate is a better career choice for her!
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#256 Post by Guest » Wed May 02, 2007 8:35 pm
This couldn't possibly be the same Elan I was at in the 80's.Allthough what you mentioned was not appropriate, Much worse things happened there. I witnessed a close fried die in the boxing ring. Phil was a Coordinator Trainee,who complained of headaches. The Staff felt he was malingering so as not have to be C.O.D. and give haircuts from the incident book. it all boiled down to a GM and Phil was put into the ring. after 2 rounds, he fell to the floor, started vomiting and was dead. The next day, they had that hack they called a nurse come tell us he died of an anorism. There were far too many attrocities for me to post here, People on house rejection in the dead of winter, people scrubbing out dumpsters with tooth brushes. And a post above told of "strengths" beating a splitee. This was a common practice. Trackers were give what was called "open physical violence" against anyone who ran away. The house I was in was Elan 7 aka the State house. Many degrading and yes abusive things happened there. Even when you walked in the door, you were made to clean toilets with your bare hands. It was like being thrust into an alien world. I'll agree, there was some "bad" staff there, but remember, they didn't do much of the dirty work, they had us, the residents to run the asylum.
I hope things have gotten better there. They used to call themselves the "Last Resort". It's like no resort I ever want to return to..... :skull:
What are politicians going to tell people when the Constitution is gone and we still have a drug problem?
--William Simpson
What's house rejection?
#257 Post by Guest » Wed May 02, 2007 9:19 pm
Rumors are one thing, fact is another! And starting a rumor is yet another ... usually, for revenge. As I have had my bouts with addiction which seem to hit every 15 years or so, I make sure I don't work where I am helping others. I seek therapy, go to meetings and stop it before any damage is done to myself or others. It's something I openly admit and must live with. If you consider me abusive, that is an opinion and you are entitled to it for sure. FACT ... I have never been arrested for possesion and have never been arrested for spousal abuse. The fact is I have never HIT, HURT or EVEN threatend any woman let alone my wife. For the people that eat-up the negative comments about others on this site concerning arrest records the FACTS are easy enough to find. Any web detective check site will do the trick. If you rebel don't do it in a way where others are hurt intentialy or hurt yourself ... Only ONE soul to a customer!!! Evaluate all sides. Are you a king or a pawn? Or in this case are you just sheep?
This is the first and last time I will read anything on this site or address anything on this site. Life is too short to entertain rumors and arguments in cyber space, or to entertain lying and the need to over defend oneself, plus it's like hanging around negative people. For the most part "You are who you hang with" at least in my situations. I've learned a lot of lessons in life by making mistakes. For those of you that have pointed out things like arrogance etc. THANK YOU, for without looking at these things and trying really hard to change them I risk a spiritual death! Life is not linier nor is it black and white. If I don't embrace the struggles that change offers I risk stagnation.
Concerning Elan ... I never believed in the ring, having someone sit in the corner for a lengthy time or general meetings where people stand up close and yell. My opinion ... GMs should happen from one's chair where they expound on their anger and not necessarily yelling. I was one of the people that fought to have the crowd stand back at least 10ft. As for the ring, people that are violent and afraid to work in groups and be honest in conversations and confrontaions with staff and other students just don't belong there. And the corner can be affective but if the students and staff are smarter and use those smarts and compassion that situation can be avoided.
Marc
He is so full of fucking shit! He was right up front in every gm encouraging ppl to spit in ppl's faces! He was cruel! He was ruthless! He is a hypocrite! He never tried to prevent a corner situation from going down. He was the 1st to yell at a person and to put them in a corner. He never tried rational non screaming yelling first. He screamed, humiliated then tried to be a buddy to you!
Fuck you Marc! Why don't you go back to that alley with the needle in your arm place you so fondly spoke of countless times!
#258 Post by 1991 » Wed May 09, 2007 3:33 am
WOW
Ok..I was at elan in the late 80's/early 90's and I was totally unaware of any murder and i was definitely not someone who bought into the program...I would have loved to have known some info like that so I am not sure that the story is true.
.In any event the whole cardinal rules thing is a joke..its a pack of wild teens living together in a stressfull situation..of course they are gonna turn to each other in that way. I personally had some teamy make out sessions behind the infirmary! But sex was out of the question..NO BABIES FOR ME..especially not back then! If the kids there need a little physical connection to get them through it than thats ok by me as long as they dont take it too far..in any event knowing that we could get in trouble made it so much hotter!
Oh about Pete Rowe he was a good guy..I think he got caught up in the whole thing..he was young..I spent a few all nighters talking with him and he was always a gentleman...and I was pretty hot back then if I do say so myself!
#259 Post by Demetria » Fri May 18, 2007 10:11 pm
Displayed right on their website
Look at these and see how badly they want to hide everything from the public. So, funny how they would put their true agenda up, right on their website.
Elan School (http://http://www.elanschool.com/schedule.htm)
Scroll down half-way to the middle box... and read lines 4-6
Funny, shit.
#260 Post by Toetag Inc. » Fri Jun 08, 2007 4:43 pm
how about the guy who used to piss shit and throw up in his hands and then throw it on people.
or the time they tied him to the chair with restaints and then his sp's dumped him down the stairs while still tied to the chair.
or the time when two kids ran away from elan 3 and the strength sent after them from elan 7 beat the living shit out of them in the woods, and never told staff, how do i know, i was one of them( the strength).
or the time when one of the children there was sexually molested by a staff memeber and they covered it up by sending him to another house.....
the list keeps getting bigger....
and bigger.....
I remember a kid back in the 90's who did that..What was his name? Chris?...It was 91 or 92 and he had dreds and was in the corner his entire stay! He was in 7 then for some reason ended up in the corner of 3 and Marc took him into 3 cuz he was getting along with us all. He got out of the corner and ended up right back in the corner 1 or 2 days later..So much for a house switch for the better huh? He could barely walk when he ended up getting taken out by his dad cuz he had been in the corner for so long he got sick from lack of excercise and sunlight. Was his name craig? I forgot his fucking name! I hate that!
I heard Marc say to SP's to not talk to him, not humor him, etc..Marc started talking mad shit to him and calling him a fucking loser and saying he was going to die in the corner, his dad would never get him out, etc..In one second Marc went from being his best fucking friend to his worst enemy. He would feed him 1-2 hours later than everyone else, refuse his daily showers for 3-4 days at a time (he stunk), kept him in the stairwell going up to 3's mens dorms instead of in a room where there was a window and stimulation.
I went on an SP in 7 once during their gym time It was for a girl named Sherry or Chery whatever the spelling. She used to act out ALL the time! She gave every Sp holy hell. She said she would not act out if I was on her Sp so they put me on it. I liked the girl a lot she was mad cool. We were a lot alike. I talked to her the entire time and it went fast. I felt bad leaving her there. 7 sucked. As soon as her Sp came in the room she turned her chair into the corner and went mute. I wrote a vague report for her staff and said maybe she would do better in 7 if the ppl would lighten up a little bit and remember that they were in her posistion and that they were not staff but kids like her trying to survive in a rotten place. I got in SOOOO much trouble! Marc gave me a VR/TT personally! I almost got demoted to RR but I wangled my job back. You see Sherry had been on my Sp many times and I never fucked with her either cuz she was cool. I saved the shit for the Sp's from my house. Hypocrites!
Name
His name was Jesse, don't remember his last name. I was on his sp we carried him from the B.O. to the coordinators restrained to the chair (actually tied to the chair with the restraints instead of handcuffed like they used to do) and he spit on my face so I dumped his fucking ass down the stairs, with the chair. He landed on the landing on his face with the chair on top of him, this was while the house was swimming at the lake, I was on his sp with another guy and pissed becuase I was missing all the female in their bathing suits.Guess what that nasty little shit never spit on me again.
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#261 Post by Marty Crudelick » Mon Jun 18, 2007 12:37 pm
All of me-suhs brainwashed children dump corner people down stairs.
It is the way of the Crudelick.
#262 Post by Marty Crudelick » Mon Jun 18, 2007 12:39 pm
Also like to add.
After dumping corner people down the stairs, we then dump on them.
New policy effective June 1, 2007.
#263 Post by The Elan Reporter » Wed Jun 20, 2007 4:04 pm
I wonder if Elan holds rings in one of those buildings that they no longer use? Would make a great place for privacy away from the media?
I know what the luggage cabin *Old E-7* was used for, but how about the rest of the unoccupied buildings?
#264 Post by ok » Fri Jun 22, 2007 11:34 pm
luggage cabins? were they off on the left hand side just down the path a bit?
If so those were the re-entry dorms back in my day.
#265 Post by java.gurl » Mon Jun 25, 2007 1:50 am
Jesse huh? Yeah, that kid was a fuckin handfull. He came from some type of money. I was shocked his little game actually worked with his parents and they came and got him outta there.
He did not have a pleasant experience at Elan huh?
I would of dropped him too.
If a person spits on you for no reason then he deserved to be dropped.
What was the shower thing about though? Was that his doing or someone elses.
I felt bad for them SP's in that stairwell on a hot day!
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#266 Post by Che Gookin » Sun Dec 02, 2007 12:31 am
Some of you know that the current staff and former staff that worked and still do at Elan went through the program themselve's.
But the question is do you know why they were sent to Elan in the first place?
Jeffery Gottlieb was sent to Elan for drug abuse and other petty crimes which associate with drugs.He is a director up there to this date and has no qualifications to work with troubled teenagers except what he learned at Elan
Marc Rosenberg also another director was sent to Elan for the same reason's as Jeffery but never seemed to be able to stop his drug problem.The man even brings drugs to work with him and is an abuser towards females.Rosenberg was areested in the mid 90's for spousel abusive and possesion of a controlled dangerous substance.Great to know are kids are in such safe hands huh?
Martin Kruglik "Marty" was sent to Elan school for molesting a small child in the early 70's.He was facing a long jail term if he didn't attend Elan school.During his stay at Elan Marty and Joe Ricci became very good friends and Joe offered him a job to work there.After Marty completed Elan he feared for his life to go back home due to the nature of his outrageous crime.So he was more then happy to liv in Maine and work at Elan.
So do you still think Elan is a good place to send your kids?Before you decide to send them there, you should ask yourself, are my kids safe in the hands of these criminals that run this place?
And they let the dude work with kids?
#267 Post by java.gurl » Mon Dec 03, 2007 3:55 am
:o :o :o
WOW! There are a shit load of skeletons in the closets of our old Elan teachers huh guys and gals?
I remember Marc's tales about growing up in Detroit. He was forever saying how he was a junkie in the gutter with a needle hanging out of his arm. It was a great image for us 12+ year old who had only seen a joint if that! Some Elan-ites saw the harder shit but no one was at Marc's level. No where fucking near his level that takes decades of hard core junkie-ism.
I wrote my dad once and said "How do needles hang out of your arms and not fall out and why do they hang in the first place"? I wondered about it.I had a lot of corner and GI time to think about the mundane things in life as a 15 y.o. It just was so weird for me to hear these stories and I was your basic semi-sheltered kid up to that point. Smoking pot a few times and a few drunks did not prepare me for the junkie tales Marc told! LOL. I was in awe. I also remember when he showed the house "Boys in the Hood" and gave a seminar on it for the "gangstas" in the house. Actually Jeffy boy was the "Gangsta Guru" for a white dude from Boston he knew a lot about gangs and stuff. Them white kids were wild in Boston back in the day. They (the kids) were all like "Yeah it's rough slingin drugs in the hood" I was like "HUH" I knew a few of them were the "real deal". Some were fakes, some were not. That is life. Even now that's the reality of the situation most of the time. I got me an edumacation in dat dere Elan place.
It's like rehab though, A lot of the counselors are formers druggies themselves and no one questions their credentials. Is that because they are not shaping and molding the minds of our future leaders? It must be different when it comes to people like Marty & Marc counseling kids and them being in a adult rehab for fellow junkies.
I think if our parents/guardians knew the real raw dog deal about these counselors and Elan we woulda been yanked outta there so fast our zits woulda fallen off! Then again maybe not. My dad always said (after the fact) why didn't you tell me the shit that happened there, I would of driven up there and yanked you out. I said "Dad they told you I would kill myself if you took me to my own Grandma's funeral that fell about 1 month before my kick out of Elan date, they needed to soak up the last drop of cash from our state". He was in shock about that place when he came up to get me and for a parent group. He pulled me to the side and said "Would they do anything if I just took you home?" I was like "Leave my SP here in downtown?!" He thought they'd come get her!! I told him to leave it be and I would be outta there real soon and I was. So it was all good.
#268 Post by Mister Pink » Fri Dec 07, 2007 6:12 pm
i remember that day I got out of that place.
:rofl: :D :lol:
#269 Post by The Elan Reporter » Fri Dec 07, 2007 6:30 pm
I remeber the time I spit in Krugliks lunch and brought it over to him at elan 1.
Never fuck with the people that handle your food Marty..
It's a shame I didn't urinate on it too, if I could go back in time I would.. :lol:
#270 Post by Eliscu2 » Sat Dec 08, 2007 4:48 am
"Jeffery Gottlieb was sent to Elan for drug abuse and other petty crimes which associate with drugs.He is a director up there to this date and has no qualifications to work with troubled teenagers except what he learned at Elan"
-Jeffery Gottlieb, I doubt you are reading this but Happy Channuka.
Jeff was my Brothers' director in 78 long before me.
He knew all about my Family and had my Father sized up for the Asshole he is already.
My Brother and I are both brutally honest.
My Brother had a "Mean Streak" ok he was an Ass too before and after Elan.
Jeff would come and get me out of the corner and the house.
NOBODY said shit to Jeff he would give them that GM look.
He would take me on a walk and say "Your Father is an Asshole, you do not belong here"
He would let me smoke, he even had my brand!
Most but not all of the Directors and staff left me alone or showed somethin special.
My peers were Brainwashed fucktards trying to graduate out of there on the pain and suffering of others.
Of course there were a few good souls among them I somehow got pictures!
Jim Lehman the Director of Elan6 was at Elan3 for some reason.
I was leaving soon so I hung out in the dining room of Elan3 and smoked, trying to not freak out.
I was standing by the backdoor,by the E-3 stage, when 13 year old Elaine H. came screaming
through the dining room. Ripping flesh from her beautiful young face at the same time.
Right behind her were 4-5 Guys ready to jump her. I turned around and my Eyes met Jims.
I started to shake and cry. They had the restraints with them. I lived in those things.
He took me outside.
Now Anne Flynn is a Bitch ass ho and Joanne Ginn too :rofl: