Fornits
General Interest => Open Free for All => Topic started by: Oscar on February 28, 2010, 05:36:51 AM
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I have learned that Provo Canyon School (http://http://wiki.fornits.com/index.php?title=Provo_Canyon_School) is in the process of silencing HEAL-online.
I know that in the resent time the feelings between some of the posters here and the persons behind HEAL-online have not been good.
But regardless of the present situation, we need to realize that various members of the industry are in the process of targeting any anti-BM website they can think off. They know that they have to silence the survivors, so they can continue their nasty work with children.
So I urge people here to digg down and find every kind of information, which can hurt PCS.
If they can shoot down one Anti-BM webpage, they have the method ready when targeting the next one.
Please help HEAL-online: While you may not agree of their methods or like the persons behind the organizations, the battle against the BM-industry must have the focus.
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Oscar, we need some details here. What, are they suing them? Trying to use more DMCA bullshit? What?
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What is the issue between HEAL and posters on this site....you can tell me to mind my business....just asking.
Seems like a reasonable request from a poster here, problem is I'm just learning about Provo Canyon today and I don't have a tendency of running down the road before I have info. Which is usually a lot of digging on the inter net, so if there is some info out there (I will look here) please send it my way or post it.
:shamrock: :shamrock: ...........Danny.....
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Edited: Wednesday, October 06, 2010
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I have learned that Provo Canyon School (http://http://wiki.fornits.com/index.php?title=Provo_Canyon_School) is in the process of silencing HEAL-online.
I know that in the resent time the feelings between some of the posters here and the persons behind HEAL-online have not been good.
But regardless of the present situation, we need to realize that various members of the industry are in the process of targeting any anti-BM website they can think off. They know that they have to silence the survivors, so they can continue their nasty work with children.
So I urge people here to digg down and find every kind of information, which can hurt PCS.
If they can shoot down one Anti-BM webpage, they have the method ready when targeting the next one.
Please help HEAL-online: While you may not agree of their methods or like the persons behind the organizations, the battle against the BM-industry must have the focus.
Personally, I could care less if HEAL's website is shut down.
:shamrock: :shamrock:
Why??????? If you don't mind answering.... :shamrock:
..........Danny....
:shamrock: :shamrock:
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Personally, I could care less if HEAL's website is shut down.
I understand your point of view based on their treatment of you. Mildly said they were totally out of line.
However, I believe that we need to be the adult in this entire case. We don't have to agree with everyone, but let them do what they do best at least until the BM-industry are hurt.
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Edited: Wednesday, October 06, 2010
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the battle against the BM-industry must have the focus.
And the battle will go on with or without Heal.
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I couldn't care less about the drama between you faggots, but Oscar, don't just post "going after" and refuse to give details. What the hell is Provo whining about, what have they tried to do, and
Fuck HEAL. Their site is a piece of crap run by hippies. But there's something here that could possibly be used to put Provo out of existence, and Oscar needs to get off his ass and tell us what it is.
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I couldn't care less about the drama between you faggots, but Oscar, don't just post "going after" and refuse to give details. What the hell is Provo whining about, what have they tried to do, and
Fuck HEAL. Their site is a piece of crap run by hippies. But there's something here that could possibly be used to put Provo out of existence, and Oscar needs to get off his ass and tell us what it is.
:shamrock: :shamrock:
Well..Well.. That's one way to get results....hows it work'in for ya....lol
I appreciate what your saying b/cuz I can't seem to find out what the hell he is
talking about either, yet calling everybody faggots (sounds so much like hate'in) isn't
probably going to help motivate.
:shamrock: :shamrock:..........Danny....
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Edited: Wednesday, October 06, 2010
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No doubt, Joel....
:shamrock: ........Danny...
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Could it be the documents that Angie claims link Provo Canyon to a CIA mind control experiment?
- not kidding either... wish I was.
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A message relayed from Angela Smith:
"HEAL is currently being sued by Provo Canyon School. If you are a Provo Canyon School survivor or victim, please contact HEAL at heal@heal-online.org. This may be the best opportunity for all of us to have our day in court. Thanks in advance for your help."
Yes, we all know Angela can be pretty loco. Ok, very loco at times. But so can most of the posters on Fornits. The bottom line is that the HEAL website (personal feelings aside) is a great asset in the fight against the troubled teen industry.
If asked to pick who to defend between HEAL or Provo canyon school, I will pick a highly flawed HEAL any day of the week.
The bigger picture is that these abusive programs need to be fought against and exposed.
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An admission of loco from a heal member? Fascinating, and yet despite my total and absolute repugnance for that vile creature Angie I'll agree with WDtony's point regarding the need to fight provo.
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Edited: Wednesday, October 06, 2010
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Oscar, unless there's some kind of gag order going on, this is a matter of public record. Someone should post the complaint in its entirety.
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There has to be some sort of public notice posted in a local paper if I'm not mistaken... might be something else I'm thinking of though.
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As much as I'm not a fan of Angela as a person, I wish Heal the best of luck in this lawsuit. If one website is shut down it sets a bad precedent.
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I'd probably willing to agree with you if Angela took down that bullshit PDF about me. However, she hasn't and probably won't so personally I don't give two pounds of puppy shit if she gets sued into oblivion.
Fuck her.. Good riddance to bad rubbish. She's stirred up more shit amongst advocates with her idealogical jihads than anyone around. That's her schtick... and she's got the gall to accuse others of being provocateurs.
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I'd probably willing to agree with you if Angela took down that bullshit PDF about me. However, she hasn't and probably won't so personally I don't give two pounds of puppy shit if she gets sued into oblivion.
Fuck her.. Good riddance to bad rubbish. She's stirred up more shit amongst advocates with her idealogical jihads than anyone around. That's her schtick... and she's got the gall to accuse others of being provocateurs.
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Now Che you weren't saying that just recently. I have read and been explained what she did to you, just bad shit. BUT...THis can not happen at all and you know it. I was kind of counting on you and a few others to steer the way to shows us how to help.
Actually we (associations I'm with) have done some monetary giving but we could use more, folks are starting to ramp up in that department.
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Danny
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I'd probably willing to agree with you if Angela took down that bullshit PDF about me. However, she hasn't and probably won't so personally I don't give two pounds of puppy shit if she gets sued into oblivion.
Well if we lived in a vacuum and her destruction didn't affect anybody else, I'd probably agree with you, but if she gets shut down it tells everybody else to watch out and creates a chilling effect. Other people start to become afraid of speaking out about their abuse...
Fuck her.. Good riddance to bad rubbish. She's stirred up more shit amongst advocates with her idealogical jihads than anyone around. That's her schtick... and she's got the gall to accuse others of being provocateurs.
Yeah, she's a bitch, no doubt, and in regards to you and your brother, got her facts wrong. I still don't want to see others hurt as a result.
What I fear is her personality and penchant towards the dramatic will torpedo her case. As much as Angela might want to have her "day in court", she's not the plaintiff (as I wasn't in the Benchmark case), and most of what she might want to present or think is relevant will not be admissible (unless it goes to her state of mind at the time she wrote the website). Trying to do so will hurt her case and piss the Judge off. If the plaintiff doesn't bring the topic up, or accuse a statement to be libelous, she won't be able to bring it up either. They get to pick the battleground.
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Yep, which is why I'm laughing my ass off at little Ms. Lawyer girl.
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I hope her and her shit smear of a website burns in legal hell. There are far better and far more reputable organizations than her fruitcake collective.
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A message relayed from Angela Smith:
"HEAL is currently being sued by Provo Canyon School. If you are a Provo Canyon School survivor or victim, please contact HEAL at heal@heal-online.org. This may be the best opportunity for all of us to have our day in court. Thanks in advance for your help."
I believe Psy is right about this. This isn’t going to be HEAL’s day in court. Its going to be Provo’s canyon’s day in court. If Angela wants a day in court she will have to book an appointment herself for a different day. She wont be able to stand on a soap box and spread anti program crap or read testimonials from survivors. She will only be allowed to defend herself against the specific allegations brought up by Provo.
The lesson learned here is you have to be honest. You cant just run around, angry, telling people that a program abused you if it didnt. If they crossed the line or had terrible staff then let it be known. If you are pissed off the let it out. But dont make up stories about places just to try to hurt their business.
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There are far better and far more reputable organizations than her fruitcake collective.
Right, but ISACcorp is offline at the moment, leaving only Cafety, which is too politically to the left for my tastes. At least ISACcorp didn't take a political stance at all. It just presented information. That site really needs to come back online. I'm going to call around and see what's going on with it.
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The lesson learned here is you have to be honest. You cant just run around, angry, telling people that a program abused you if it didnt. If they crossed the line or had terrible staff then let it be known. If you are pissed off the let it out. But dont make up stories about places just to try to hurt their business.
Whooter. That's not the lesson here. Just because Angela may have distorted the facts about Aaron does not mean she did that with Provo Canyon. I think she probably will win. Please wait for due process before passing judgment, and even then read all the court documents from both sides.
Personally, it makes me very sad that she lied about Aaron, Joel, and even myself, because it allows people like you to say what you just did and place doubts in people's minds. It's irrational to judge guilt by association but it's also human nature. Unfortunately Angela's actions reflected badly on Heal as a whole and cast doubt on her entire operation in the public eye. It's unfair to the mountains of people who have submitted sworn statements to Heal to be attached to that.
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However, that is the bed she made, now she can lay in it. Karma is a bitch ain't it?
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Whooter. That's not the lesson here. Just because Angela may have distorted the facts about Aaron does not mean she did that with Provo Canyon. I think she probably will win. Please wait for due process before passing judgment, and even then read all the court documents from both sides.
Personally, it makes me very sad that she lied about Aaron, Joel, and even myself, because it allows people like you to say what you just did and place doubts in people's minds. It's irrational to judge guilt by association but it's also human nature. Unfortunately Angela's actions reflected badly on Heal as a whole and cast doubt on her entire operation in the public eye. It's unfair to the mountains of people who have submitted sworn statements to Heal to be attached to that.
I understand all of that and I thought it was weird that she came out like she did with the whole Aaron, Joel thing and then went after you. I dont know the history and dynamics with the 4 of you. Only starting with that recent outburst in Oct of '09 did I begin to read up.
I think HEAL was destined for trouble because they tried to play the double standard and therefore exposed themselves as disingenuous and corrupt. I feel bad for those who wrote to them with their stories hoping for HEAL to support them and stand behind them.
HEAL appeared to have no intentions in helping anyone besides themselves. They openly attack programs for not wanting to be licensed and/or avoiding regulation when they admit themselves that they stepped back from registering as a legitimate charitable organization because they didn’t like the rules and paperwork. Then when pressed on the issue they said they were not required to have a business license.
Link (http://http://www.fornits.com/phpbb/viewtopic.php?p=348463#p348463)
Why wouldn't a legitimate organization not practice what they preach? How have they reacted when programs state that they are not required to be licensed?
I wouldn’t take a website like that seriously either and I would attempt to sue them myself if they solicited people to act against me (write stories) for the purpose of hurting my business. Provo is just dragging HEAL out into the open, shinning a very bright light on them and holding their feet to the fire and making them toss their evidence on the table so everyone including the judge can take a look at it.
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As far as the evidence against Provo Canyon, I'm laughing even more, particularly given Angela's statements about having evidence that Provo was involved with the CIA for mind control experiments. I think that it was Provo, not entirely sure, my memory on the 1 meeting that she and I had in Seattle is spotty in places. I got absurdly drunk and spent the night in a strip club right after the meeting soooo... It could be some other outfit.
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Edited: Wednesday, October 06, 2010