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Treatment Abuse, Behavior Modification, Thought Reform => Straight, Inc. and Derivatives => Topic started by: seamus on January 19, 2010, 12:05:21 PM
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Does anybody else think this as a diagnosis is horseshit? Kinda like add/hdd...etc.....? Just wonderin.... :soapbox:
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NO. It's legit.
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Does anybody else think this as a diagnosis is horseshit? Kinda like add/hdd...etc.....? Just wonderin.... :soapbox:
Definitely not.
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Totally legit. Sometimes misdiagnosed, sometimes over diagnosed. I would have certainly been diagnosed with it had I grown up in the aughts and not the 1990s, so what you call it is up for debate. But the series of traits that can be found in certain individuals in the population that Asperger's describes is certainly there, and depending on how one deals with it, does not need to be a disorder in any way shape or form.
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Totally legit. Sometimes misdiagnosed, sometimes over diagnosed.
What I was about to say. The same can be said for ADD/ADHD. It does exist but is often slapped on far too quickly as a label without enough verification.
That being said I don't think Aspergers is something that necessarily needs to be treated. People with Aspergers are just like others, just a little more quirky.
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Good source to start from: http://www.wrongplanet.net/article112.html (http://www.wrongplanet.net/article112.html)
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What Is Anorexia?
Anorexia is an eating disorder where people starve themselves. Anorexia usually begins in young people around the onset of puberty. Individuals suffering from anorexia have extreme weight loss. Weight loss is usually 15% below the person's normal body weight. People suffering from anorexia are very skinny but are convinced that they are overweight. Weight loss is obtained by many ways. Some of the common techniques used are excessive exercise, intake of laxatives and not eating.
Anorexics have an intense fear of becoming fat. Their dieting habits develop from this fear. Anorexia mainly affects adolescent girls.
People with anorexia continue to think they are overweight even after they become extremely thin, are very ill or near death. Often they will develop strange eating habits such as refusing to eat in front of other people. Sometimes the individuals will prepare big meals for others while refusing to eat any of it.
The disorder is thought to be most common among people of higher socioeconomic classes and people involved in activities where thinness is especially looked upon, such as dancing, theater, and distance running.
A personal story about struggling with anorexia.
A Family Member has an Eating Disorder
If you have a family member that with an Eating Disorder, they need a lot of support. Suggest that your family member see an eating disorder expert. Be prepared for denial, resistance, and even anger. A doctor and/or a counselor can help them battle their eating disorder.
Symptoms of Anorexia
There are many symptoms for anorexia, some individuals may not experience all of they symptoms. The symptoms include: Body weight that is inconsistent with age, build and height (usually 15% below normal weight).
Some other symptoms of anorexia are:
* Loss of at least 3 consecutive menstrual periods (in women).
* Not wanting or refusing to eat in public
* Anxiety
* Weakness
* Brittle skin
* Shortness of breath
* Obsessiveness about calorie intake
Medical Consequences of anorexia
There are many medical risks associated with anorexia. They include: shrunken bones, mineral loss, low body temperature, irregular heartbeat, permanent failure of normal growth, development of osteoporosis and bulimia nervosa.
Continued use of laxatives is harmful to the body. It wears out the bowel muscle and causes it to decrease in function. Some laxatives contain harsh substances that may be reabsorbed into your system.
Anorexia and Pregnancy
In order to have a healthy child, the average pregnant woman should gain between 25 and 35 pounds. Telling this to a person with anorexia is like telling a normal person to gain 100 pounds. If you are anorexic, you may have trouble conceiving a baby and carrying it to term. Irregular menstrual cycles and weak bones make it more difficult to conceive. If you are underweight and do not eat the proper variety of foods, you and your baby could be in danger.
Women with eating disorders have higher rates of miscarriages and your baby might be born prematurely which puts them at risk for many medical problems.
All pregnant women should receive proper prenatal care. Those recovering from anorexia or bulimia need special care. You should always take your prenatal vitamins and have regular prenatal visits. You should not exercise unless your doctor says it is okay and it is a good idea to enroll in a prenatal exercise class to be sure you are not overexerting yourself.
Anorexia in the News
Anorexia and Aging. Anorexia may be a serious disease for old men. Read more
Good news about Anorexia
* Anorexia can be overcome.
* With proper care, you can overcome your eating disorder and have a healthy child.
Anorexia Statistics
* One percent of teenage girls in the U.S. develop anorexia nervosa and up to 10% of those may die as a result.
Difference between anorexia and bulimia
The biggest difference between anorexia and bulimia is that people suffering from bulimia eat large amounts of food and then throw up. This is called binge and purge. Anorexics do not eat large amounts and throw up. Bulimics do.
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No offense, but why anorexia now (the thread is about asperger's)?
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No offense, but why anorexia now (the thread is about asperger's)?
Evidently, exposecedu does not have Aspergers! :roflmao:
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Yeah I geuss its just overused and in my mind the cleche o the week. Seems like anybody these days who is kind of a geek and mayhap a little odd just gets slapped with aspergers,and it seems like kinda "so what"? :soapbox:
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I wonder if the 7 steps will cure it?...............I d bet a buck to a bent dime ol virgie boys lil summer camp by the sea can......... :rofl:
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Totally legit. Sometimes misdiagnosed, sometimes over diagnosed.
What I was about to say. The same can be said for ADD/ADHD. It does exist but is often slapped on far too quickly as a label without enough verification.
That being said I don't think Aspergers is something that necessarily needs to be treated. People with Aspergers are just like others, just a little more quirky.
I agree 100%. I have known a couple of people with the diagnosis and they tend to be a bit on the quirky side. The people I know are also very creative artistically, and of above average intelligence. While they can be annoying, and socially somewhat awkward at times, they tend to be more interesting conversationalists than are more mundane folks. I don't think it is something that necessarily needs to be treated, either, and the tendency to label people as one thing or another for the sake of dispensing pharmaceuticals is just more business as usual from the shrinks and their pals in the legal drug dealing industry.
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While they can be annoying, and socially somewhat awkward at times, they tend to be more interesting conversationalists than are more mundane folks. I don't think it is something that necessarily needs to be treated, either, and the tendency to label people as one thing or another for the sake of dispensing pharmaceuticals is just more business as usual from the shrinks and their pals in the legal drug dealing industry.
My niece has it, and I agree fully. I try and make a point of listening to her as she sometimes continues to talk away, seemingly oblivious to the fact that the "normal" people are no longer listening to her....truth is, I know the feeling, all too well... (Is asperger's hereditary?)
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people stop listening to me pretty quickly, sometimes even before I start talking. :lala: In all seriousness I'm convinced that this is a real 'condition'. Heredity's a bitch!!! :eek:
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While they can be annoying, and socially somewhat awkward at times, they tend to be more interesting conversationalists than are more mundane folks. I don't think it is something that necessarily needs to be treated, either, and the tendency to label people as one thing or another for the sake of dispensing pharmaceuticals is just more business as usual from the shrinks and their pals in the legal drug dealing industry.
My niece has it, and I agree fully. I try and make a point of listening to her as she sometimes continues to talk away, seemingly oblivious to the fact that the "normal" people are no longer listening to her....truth is, I know the feeling, all too well... (Is asperger's hereditary?)
There is a genetic component to it, though not absolute, nor always.
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Aspergers, like autism, is real.
The problem with aspergers is not only who is diagnosed, but when. As far as the psychiatric community as a whole is concerned, (at least from what I've read) an adult diagnosis of aspergers is impossible. By that time, it's impossible to distinguish if they are suffering from a biological condition, or they were simply "raised by wolves." I agree with this opinion.
In addition, there are those adults who feel that an aspergers diagnosis gives them carte blanche to act like an asshole. It also contributes to this understanding of "specialness", which really helps no-one, independent of any sort of medical evaluation.
My brother-in-law has aspergers. He was diagnosed at around 17 which is still kind of late, IMO. I'm no expert, but there is definitely something different about him that social upbringing can't account for. (Especially since I know his parents) I also know of some of the stuff he did as a kid, and it certainly seems to be consistent with aspergers. There's that arrogant part of me which wants to say "Trust me, the dude has aspergers.", cause seriously, he does.
I certainly noticed some similarities between my bro-in-law and my nephew, who is autistic. Different, but same. I know they call it a spectrum disorder, as in: there are degrees of severity, but I felt there was something intrinsically different. i.e. If I pushed aspergers to its extreme, it would not end up as autism. So I honestly dont know what the story is currently about how the two relate to each other. I think at one point it was viewed similar to a spectrum relationship/degrees of severity, but I think there are some schools of thought who now say that it's not. It's part of the same "family", but they don't populate the same axis.
I can't speak to that, however, but I tend to agree with the family instead of axis theory.
I don't think it is something that necessarily needs to be treated, either.
There is no treatment for aspergers syndrome, nor is there with autism. It's like saying there is a treatment for dwarfism. It's a condition, not a disease. There is special education which can assist with cognitive as well as social skills, as well therapy, both emotional and physical. (Then there are also those nightmare places like the Rotenberg center) But there's no *treatment* to help them *not* have aspergers, and there is actually a pretty vocal part of the autistic community who have a serious problem with the attitude that the condition is something to "cure".
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The problem with aspergers is not only who is diagnosed, but when. As far as the psychiatric community as a whole is concerned, (at least from what I've read) an adult diagnosis of aspergers is impossible. By that time, it's impossible to distinguish if they are suffering from a biological condition, or they were simply "raised by wolves." I agree with this opinion.
I disagree, although I imagine it is more difficult. There is also the relative degree of severity of Aspergers, which can vary. The more severe the Aspergers, the easier it is to diagnose, irregardless of age.
I certainly noticed some similarities between my bro-in-law and my nephew, who is autistic. Different, but same. I know they call it a spectrum disorder, as in: there are degrees of severity, but I felt there was something intrinsically different. i.e. If I pushed aspergers to its extreme, it would not end up as autism. So I honestly dont know what the story is currently about how the two relate to each other. I think at one point it was viewed similar to a spectrum relationship/degrees of severity, but I think there are some schools of thought who now say that it's not. It's part of the same "family", but they don't populate the same axis.
I can't speak to that, however, but I tend to agree with the family instead of axis theory.
I would definitely agree with you here. The similarity resides in the impact on social interaction, the cause of which may be for different reasons.
According to THIS site (http://http://www.aspergercounseling.com/executive.html), the three main areas of dysfunction in Aspergers are:
- Executive Function
- Sensory / Motor
- Social-Cognitive
I've also read of Aspergers being described as a bottleneck in the exchange and integration of info between upper brain and lower brain, which might help explain some of the difficulties with social skills. By the time the info gets processed and has some context applied (context often being yet another problem), the actual social interaction has long passed, thereby limiting what can actually be learned from it. It might also help explain their difficulty in comprehending certain forms of humor, which involves a lot of back and forth between upper and lower brain.
There's also something called "mind-blindness," which involves, amongst other things, a difficulty in comprehending deviousness and mal-intent on the part of others. These kids are often bullied and victimized by their peers, when in less than ideal circumstances. Gotta love that "positive peer culture!" :suicide:
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I don't believe (irregardless) is a word. Not trying to be a ass here or there. lol
Anyway this whole read is interesting really, you are helping alot with a situation that a friend of mine is involved with. I've let
him read your posts. I believe it is sending him to recieve more clinical help for his son. Thanks from Harry (a friend).
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I don't believe (irregardless) is a word.
lol. It is. It means the exact same thing as "regardless". It's a combination of the words "regardless" and "irrespective". Kind of the same way that "empathetic" is a combination of "empathic" and"sympathetic."
Both of these are recent words, both informal, and both, IMO, are totally retarded. (I refuse to acknowledge the existence of either.) However, I *do* recognize the term "whimsicle fuckery", as started by April Winchell as recently as Several Months Ago.
Alternately, the order of "flammable" vs. "inflammable" is reversed, as "inflammable" was the original term (latin), then some 19th century fuck coined "flammable" (french) and Fucked Everything Up.
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I don't believe (irregardless) is a word. Not trying to be a ass here or there. lol
You are almost right! It is a "nonstandard" word. I decided to use it anyway, even though I had something else written in its place prior to the posted version, just because it had better rhythm in the sentence and ... I'm an ursine (http://http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/ursine) ass! :D
Taken from my favorite etymological authority, Merriam-Webster:
ir·re·gard·less (http://http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/IRREGARDLESS)
Pronunciation: ?ir-i-?gärd-l?s
Function: adverb
Etymology: probably blend of irrespective and regardless
Date: circa 1912
nonstandard : regardless
usage Irregardless originated in dialectal American speech in the early 20th century. Its fairly widespread use in speech called it to the attention of usage commentators as early as 1927. The most frequently repeated remark about it is that "there is no such word." There is such a word, however. It is still used primarily in speech, although it can be found from time to time in edited prose. Its reputation has not risen over the years, and it is still a long way from general acceptance. Use regardless instead.[/list]
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I don't think it is something that necessarily needs to be treated, either.
There is no treatment for aspergers syndrome, nor is there with autism. It's like saying there is a treatment for dwarfism. It's a condition, not a disease. There is special education which can assist with cognitive as well as social skills, as well therapy, both emotional and physical. (Then there are also those nightmare places like the Rotenberg center) But there's no *treatment* to help them *not* have aspergers, and there is actually a pretty vocal part of the autistic community who have a serious problem with the attitude that the condition is something to "cure".
No, ya really can't exactly rewire an entire human brain. And some of the medications prescribed for certain commonly associated diagnoses such as ADD, OCD, anxiety disorder and the like, are sometimes contraindicated by the Aspergers. IMO, that is. But these would be different approaches entirely from supportive and targeted education like learning appropriate social protocol, how to pick up on certain social cues, social anxiety coping skills, etc. ...and from which someone with Aspergers usually benefits greatly from.
This kind of thing was initially not so universally offered (still isn't), even when Aspergers Syndrome finally made the DSM, 'cuz people made assumptions based on individuals' IQ levels. When you consider that approximately 22% (depending on yer source) are in the "superior" range, it's easy to understand why neurotypicals often assume Aspies should "know better."
As far as that hellhole otherwise known as the Judge Rotenberg Center goes, it is absolutely the worst thing you can do to someone with Aspergers, as evidenced by the plethora of anti-JRC autism/asperger activism out there in the blogosphere. Even Matthew Israel himself observed that the more intelligent the client, the worse they seem to fare with his particular brand of "treatment."
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Recommended reading on the subject of the ASD: anything by Tony ATTWOOD or Temple GRANDIN.
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I don't believe (irregardless) is a word.
It is if you use it enough.
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I don't believe (irregardless) is a word.
It is if you use it enough.
LMAO....
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Our kind are the next step in human evolution.
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Good source to start from: http://www.wrongplanet.net/article112.html (http://www.wrongplanet.net/article112.html)
ISNT (http://http://isnt.autistics.org/)
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Good source to start from: http://www.wrongplanet.net/article112.html (http://www.wrongplanet.net/article112.html)
ISNT (http://http://isnt.autistics.org/)
:roflmao: :roflmao: :roflmao:
What Is NT? (http://http://isnt.autistics.org/)
Neurotypical syndrome is a neurobiological disorder characterized by preoccupation with social concerns, delusions of superiority, and obsession with conformity.
Neurotypical individuals often assume that their experience of the world is either the only one, or the only correct one. NTs find it difficult to be alone. NTs are often intolerant of seemingly minor differences in others. When in groups NTs are socially and behaviorally rigid, and frequently insist upon the performance of dysfunctional, destructive, and even impossible rituals as a way of maintaining group identity. NTs find it difficult to communicate directly, and have a much higher incidence of lying as compared to persons on the autistic spectrum.
NT is believed to be genetic in origin. Autopsies have shown the brain of the neurotypical is typically smaller than that of an autistic individual and may have overdeveloped areas related to social behavior.[/list]
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That's awesome! Thank you for posting this, Antigen.
Tragically, as many as 9625 out of every 10,000 individuals may be neurotypical.
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Good source to start from: http://www.wrongplanet.net/article112.html (http://www.wrongplanet.net/article112.html)
ISNT (http://http://isnt.autistics.org/)
:roflmao: :roflmao: :roflmao:
What Is NT? (http://http://isnt.autistics.org/)
Neurotypical syndrome is a neurobiological disorder characterized by preoccupation with social concerns, delusions of superiority, and obsession with conformity.
Neurotypical individuals often assume that their experience of the world is either the only one, or the only correct one. NTs find it difficult to be alone. NTs are often intolerant of seemingly minor differences in others. When in groups NTs are socially and behaviorally rigid, and frequently insist upon the performance of dysfunctional, destructive, and even impossible rituals as a way of maintaining group identity. NTs find it difficult to communicate directly, and have a much higher incidence of lying as compared to persons on the autistic spectrum.
NT is believed to be genetic in origin. Autopsies have shown the brain of the neurotypical is typically smaller than that of an autistic individual and may have overdeveloped areas related to social behavior.[/list]
LOL. Very funny.
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Its an autism spectrum disorder. Like a mild form of autism. There is a possiblility that a lot of kids who are shy or who simply march to their own band have become misdiagnosed in a world that no longer has much tolerance for harmless eccentrics. I agree with psy that in some ways it is just a different way of looking at the world.
I guess if I had a kid with it I would want them to be able to recognize the differences that they have to live with and to be able to try and put themselves in their peer's shoes simply so that being a part of society is easier for them. But i dont know if i would try and "cure" them. I guess it is hard to know if you dont live with it or have a loved one who does
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Asperger's Officially Placed Inside Autism Spectrum (http://http://www.npr.org/templates/story/story.php?storyId=123527833&ft=1&f=1001)
by Jon Hamilton
February 10, 2010
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Many people with Asperger's take pride in a diagnosis that is thought to describe many important historical figures, including Albert Einstein (pictured above) and Isaac Newton. AP
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Morning Edition · [4 min 26 sec][/list]
Asperger's syndrome is really just a form of autism and does not merit a separate diagnosis, according to a panel of researchers assembled by the American Psychiatric Association.
Even though many researchers already refer to Asperger's as high-functioning autism, it hasn't been listed under the autism category in the official diagnostic guide of mental disorders, called the Diagnostic and Statistical Manual, or DSM. The DSM serves as a guide for mental health professionals and government agencies.
But a new draft fifth edition released Wednesday moves Asperger's officially into the autism category, provoking a wide range of responses among people with Asperger's — some of whom say they do not want to be labeled as autistic.
Redefining A Disorder
Instead of including a diagnostic category for Asperger's, the DSM 5 (http://http://www.dsm5.org/Pages/Default.aspx) draft includes traits associated with Asperger's, such as difficulty with social interactions and limited, repetitive behaviors, in a broad category called autism spectrum disorder.
"The intent is to try to make the diagnosis of autism clearer and to better reflect the science," says Catherine Lord, director of the University of Michigan Autism and Communication Disorders Center. Lord is part of the group that decided to consolidate autism-related categories, including Asperger's.
But the change is going to be hard for some people with Asperger's, says Michael John Carley, executive director of the Global and Regional Asperger Syndrome Partnership in New York and author of Asperger's From the Inside Out. "I personally am probably going to have a very hard time calling myself autistic," says Carley, who was diagnosed with Asperger's years ago.
Many people with Asperger's take pride in a diagnosis that probably describes some major historical figures, including Albert Einstein and Thomas Edison, Carley says. Under the new system, those people would represent just one extreme of a spectrum. On the other extreme is "somebody who might have to wear adult diapers and maybe a head-restraining device. This is very hard for us to swallow," he says.
Yet Carley says he agrees with the decision to fold Asperger's into the autism spectrum disorder diagnosis.
Blurred Lines From The Start
Since 1994, when the fourth edition of the DSM added the Asperger's category, health care professionals have struggled to find a way to separate Asperger's from autism, Carley says. "Every time they've tried to draw that line it's been proven false in practice," he says.
Right now, the diagnosis often hinges on a person's language skills. But that's pretty subjective and can change as a child grows up, researchers say. "The categories are just not used by clinicians in a reliable fashion," Lord says. A single category for autism spectrum disorder will let clinicians stop agonizing over which diagnostic category to put someone in and focus on their specific difficulties with communication, or social interaction, or information processing, he says.
The change makes a lot of sense, says Roy Richard Grinker, an anthropologist at George Washington University who has studied autism in various cultures. He is also the author of Unstrange Minds, a book about his daughter, who has autism. "As somebody who has a child with a diagnosis of autism, I want to be able to turn to the official criteria and see a description that sounds like my child," Grinker says. "Right now my child sounds like three or four different disorders."
When his daughter was 4, she met the criteria for classic autism, Grinker says. Now that she's in high school, she would probably be considered Asperger's or maybe just a quirky kid, he says.
Eliminating the Asperger's diagnosis won't mean that people in that category will lose access to services, Grinker says. That's because "almost anybody with an Asperger's diagnosis also could qualify for what is called autistic disorder," he says, adding that the change could make it easier for some parents to get help for a child with Asperger's.
Right now, states including California provide services to children with autism but not those with Asperger's, Grinker says. "So removing Asperger's really removes what is a false barrier to parents getting care for their kids."
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Undiagnosed Asperger's Leads To 'Life As An Outsider' (http://http://www.npr.org/templates/story/story.php?storyId=113744905&ps=rs)
October 13, 2009
(http://http://media.npr.org/assets/artslife/books/2009/10/parallel.jpg?t=1255457393&s=1)
Parallel Play: Growing Up with Undiagnosed Asperger's
By Tim Page
Hardcover, 208 pages · Doubleday
List price: $26
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Fresh Air from WHYY · [19 min 46 sec][/list]
For most of his life, music critic Tim Page felt like an outsider. Restless and isolated, he was overstimulated and uneasy around others. Finally, when he was 45, Page was diagnosed with Asperger's, a syndrome that falls within the autism spectrum.
As Page explains in the prologue of his new memoir, Parallel Play: Life As An Outsider, the diagnosis came as a relief: "Here, finally, was an objective explanation for some of my strengths and weaknesses," he writes.
People with Asperger's often struggle to interact with groups and understand social norms. Page describes himself growing up as a "very lost little kid" who acted out in school by making faces at teachers and being aggressive with the other students. His ability to connect to others didn't improve with age.
"I can remember all sorts of trivia, but I don't notice what somebody has on," Page tells Terry Gross. "I guess it's sort of like your absent-minded professor times five, if that makes any sense."
Music — particularly the repeating patterns of melody — provided him with a refuge from an early age. He remembers listening to his mother's record collection and experiencing a "passage into a world where everything made sense."
He compares listening to music to watching clouds change slowly over the course of an afternoon. "I love process. I love patterns. I love seeing things just change slightly but also still catching you up in the whole process, and that's something that I remember from being very, very young, and I love the fact that there are some wonderful musicians who are exploring that now."
"It was always very easy for me to talk about music," he adds.
Page went on to become a music critic at The New York Times and Newsday. He was awarded the Pulitzer Prize in 1997 for his work as the chief classical music critic at The Washington Post.
As for his diagnosis with Asperger's, Page says it has helped him accept the parts of his nature that are "not very changeable." Wearing eyeglasses, for instance, makes him feel like he is "being intimate with everybody on the street." As a result, he rarely wears them now — even though he received his first prescription for glasses when he was in kindergarten.
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Music — particularly the repeating patterns of melody — provided him with a refuge from an early age. He remembers listening to his mother's record collection and experiencing a "passage into a world where everything made sense."
He compares listening to music to watching clouds change slowly over the course of an afternoon. "I love process. I love patterns. I love seeing things just change slightly but also still catching you up in the whole process, and that's something that I remember from being very, very young, and I love the fact that there are some wonderful musicians who are exploring that now."
"It was always very easy for me to talk about music," he adds.
Page went on to become a music critic at The New York Times and Newsday. He was awarded the Pulitzer Prize in 1997 for his work as the chief classical music critic at The Washington Post.
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I'm surprised, reading this thread, that there has not been a discussion of Asperger's in relation to residential programs for teens. The diagnosis of Asperger's is, in my experience, being used as a catch-all to keep kids in residential programs.
The symptoms of Asperger's often overlap with other conditions (like ADHD), with medication side effects (like poor motor skills), and with other normal human behaviors (like being shy). This leads to both underdiagnosis and overdiagnosis. Symptoms are generally obvious by age 3. For many children, an accurate diagnosis is helpful; it means that school and home environments will be adapted to the child's needs so he or she can function better. An example would be a school allowing a child with Asperger's to ask for a "time out" in a quiet area when he or she feels overstimulated. The child is able to calm down and return to study when ready. The environment is adapted to the child rather than forcing the child to adapt to the environment.
Different story altogether at programs, as you can guess. Programs are all about forcing the child to adapt to the environment.
For my niece, the first whiff of an Asperger's diagnosis came after her wilderness program when the parents were being encouraged to send her--guess where?--to a therapeutic boarding school. Suddenly, we were told she was "not normal" and would have to go to a school where they could "accomodate her needs." The diagnosis was, and is, patently absurd. When she finally came home, I asked (gritting my teeth) why she did not seem to exhibit the symptoms of Asperger's. "Oh," they said, "they treated her for that at the boarding school. She's better now." As noted above, you don't treat Asperger's and you don't get cured of it. It does not magically go away.
ALL her symptoms are readily explained by other conditions, medications, and events. Her parents (and other family members complicit in sending her away) repeatedly told me her diagnosis was based on her angry outbursts, and gee, for some reason. she continued to be angry for 3 years while they kept her incarcerated. Well, hey, I have a much simpler explanation for her anger: she's royally pissed at you!
Auntie Em
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I can't think of a WORSE place for a kid who truly has Asperger's than a program.
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Agreed.
A dependable routine is a recommended approach to helping a child with autism or Asperger's (Autism Spectrum Disorder, ASD). Programs rip children out of their normal routine.
I have learned, correct me if I'm wrong, that many programs, especially the CEDU-based programs (see Fornits Wiki here http://wiki.fornits.com/index.php?title=Category:CEDU (http://wiki.fornits.com/index.php?title=Category:CEDU)), force children into "smushing," where kids are forced to hug or lie around on top of each other. See Liam Scheff's documentary clip here: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6Uzkg0mw ... re=related (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6Uzkg0mw6u8&feature=related). For kids with ASD, touching and physicality can be uncomfortable, unwelcome and/or totally traumatic.
Another example of exactly what you say, Anne: programs are the worst possible environment for a child with Asperger's or autism!
Auntie Em
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The way programs are structured today I couldn’t see kids with autism being treated successfully there. Kids with Aspergers need a more individualized therapy and modeling from kids with well adjusted social skills, a much more softer approach than is presently offered.
Wow, I cant believe this many of us agree !!!
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The way programs are structured today I couldn’t see kids with autism being treated successfully there. Kids with Aspergers need a more individualized therapy and modeling from kids with well adjusted social skills, a much more softer approach than is presently offered.
Wow, I cant believe this many of us agree !!!
Speak for yourself dickhead. Parents of kids with aspergers need to do their jobs instead of looking to outsource it to strangers.
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The way programs are structured today I couldn’t see kids with autism being treated successfully there. Kids with Aspergers need a more individualized therapy and modeling from kids with well adjusted social skills, a much more softer approach than is presently offered.
Wow, I cant believe this many of us agree !!!
Speak for yourself dickhead. Parents of kids with aspergers need to do their jobs instead of looking to outsource it to strangers.
Well, I had just composed a brief response to that who post, but I think Anne Bonney’s succinct reply says enough and says it well.
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Agreed.
A dependable routine is a recommended approach to helping a child with autism or Asperger's (Autism Spectrum Disorder, ASD). Programs rip children out of their normal routine.
I have learned, correct me if I'm wrong, that many programs, especially the CEDU-based programs (see Fornits Wiki here http://wiki.fornits.com/index.php?title=Category:CEDU (http://wiki.fornits.com/index.php?title=Category:CEDU)), force children into "smushing," where kids are forced to hug or lie around on top of each other. See Liam Scheff's documentary clip here: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6Uzkg0mw ... re=related (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6Uzkg0mw6u8&feature=related). For kids with ASD, touching and physicality can be uncomfortable, unwelcome and/or totally traumatic.
Another example of exactly what you say, Anne: programs are the worst possible environment for a child with Asperger's or autism!
Auntie Em
There's also the impossible dynamic of the whole social interaction scene -- GROUP confrontation -- as well as difficulties with reading social cues, taking things too literally and at face value, etc... The therapeutic milieu allows for no alone-time to process, which these kids badly need. I'd say: mincemeat.
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I concur about difficulties with social interaction and programs being a lousy place for kids with ASD.
But I want to be sure folks hear me on this one: Kids WITHOUT Asperger's are being sent to, and kept in, programs using this bogus diagnosis.
Auntie Em
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The way programs are structured today I couldn’t see kids with autism being treated successfully there. Kids with Aspergers need a more individualized therapy and modeling from kids with well adjusted social skills, a much more softer approach than is presently offered.
Wow, I cant believe this many of us agree !!!
Speak for yourself dickhead. Parents of kids with aspergers need to do their jobs instead of looking to outsource it to strangers.
Anne, you are wrong once again. (I love pointing this out to you)…….You should read up (outside of fornits) once in awhile. Almost any professional that you speak with will tell you that early detection of Aspergers/autism is the key to helping these kids. Virtually every community has early intervention and local services who are set up and trained to help. I doubt that you could find many credible sources who would say that parents are equipped to raise an autistic child on their own without, as you call it, outsourcing to strangers.
Do you deny taking your kids to the dentist because this would be outsourcing your parental duties? Have you failed as a parent? Buy them a toothbrush!!! LOL
Our neighbor has a stranger come to their house 2 days a week to work with their autistic child.
You are grossly uneducated (..and dont go blaming straight again). Stick with the comedy, I enjoyed that.
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I concur about difficulties with social interaction and programs being a lousy place for kids with ASD.
But I want to be sure folks hear me on this one: Kids WITHOUT Asperger's are being sent to, and kept in, programs using this bogus diagnosis.
Auntie Em
I know I keep pressing this issue but this is why it is important for all children to be screened by a third party prior to being placed into a program. As far as Aspergers/Autistic programs I dont think the present programs are designed to handle these kids and they shouldnt be accepting them. They require a different type of intervention therapy which specialize in these childrens needs.
Its important that these children continue to get help but as far as I know there isnt much effective therapy beyond local services at this time.
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I concur about difficulties with social interaction and programs being a lousy place for kids with ASD.
But I want to be sure folks hear me on this one: Kids WITHOUT Asperger's are being sent to, and kept in, programs using this bogus diagnosis.
Auntie Em
I know I keep pressing this issue but this is why it is important for all children to be screened by a third party prior to being placed into a program. As far as Aspergers/Autistic programs I dont think the present programs are designed to handle these kids and they shouldnt be accepting them. They require a different type of intervention therapy which specialize in these childrens needs.
Its important that these children continue to get help but as far as I know there isnt much effective therapy beyond local services at this time.
Mmm... I'm surprised that you didn't mention the Aspen program Cedars Academy, Whooter, but then... they went out of business (http://http://www.strugglingteens.com/artman/publish/CedarsAcademyBN_090825.shtml) this past August, iirc.
This Bridgeville, DE program offered a college preparatory boarding school and young adult transitional program experience for such students, specifically those who were diagnosed with Asperger's Disorder, Non-Verbal Learning Disorder (NVLD) and Attention Deficit Hyperactivity Disorder (ADHD).
I'm sure then executive director John Singleton's prior experience at New Leaf Academy of North Carolina stood him good stead when it came to the "much more softer approach" these kids seem to require! :D
See also:
- Extended Insights (http://http://www.strugglingteens.com/artman/publish/CedarsAcademyEI_070821.shtml), Posted: Aug 21, 2007
- Visit Report (http://http://www.strugglingteens.com/artman/publish/CedarsAcademyVR_090120.shtml) by Stephen Migden, Ph.D., ABPP (East Coast Liaison for Woodbury Reports); Visit on: November 4, 2008
- Letter to the Editor (http://http://www.strugglingteens.com/news/lettertoeditor/ONeal_AlanMaureen.htm) from unhappy parents (2008 or 2009?)
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I concur about difficulties with social interaction and programs being a lousy place for kids with ASD.
But I want to be sure folks hear me on this one: Kids WITHOUT Asperger's are being sent to, and kept in, programs using this bogus diagnosis.
Auntie Em
I hear ya, Ems. Tragically, as you have also related to me, programs seem to dole out labels and consequent recommendations as per how they best figure into the program's bottom line. Namely, the greed factor. The actual well-being of the child is rarely professionally addressed (save by "program professionals").
When I was at Hyde, there were a handful of kids who definitely had, IMO, some real learning and/or developmental disorders or handicaps. Hyde called these "character flaws." Life at Hyde can be a grueling gauntlet of maneuvering through the pecking order. Guess who usually ends up at the bottom?
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Mmm... I'm surprised that you didn't mention the Aspen program Cedars Academy, Whooter, but then... they went out of business (http://http://www.strugglingteens.com/artman/publish/CedarsAcademyBN_090825.shtml) this past August, iirc.
This Bridgeville, DE program offered a college preparatory boarding school and young adult transitional program experience for such students, specifically those who were diagnosed with Asperger's Disorder, Non-Verbal Learning Disorder (NVLD) and Attention Deficit Hyperactivity Disorder (ADHD).
I'm sure then executive director John Singleton's prior experience at New Leaf Academy of North Carolina stood him good stead when it came to the "much more softer approach" these kids seem to require! :D
See also:
- Extended Insights (http://http://www.strugglingteens.com/artman/publish/CedarsAcademyEI_070821.shtml), Posted: Aug 21, 2007
- Visit Report (http://http://www.strugglingteens.com/artman/publish/CedarsAcademyVR_090120.shtml) by Stephen Migden, Ph.D., ABPP (East Coast Liaison for Woodbury Reports); Visit on: November 4, 2008
- Letter to the Editor (http://http://www.strugglingteens.com/news/lettertoeditor/ONeal_AlanMaureen.htm) from unhappy parents (2008 or 2009?)
Interesting, I dont recall this place
That’s kind of nutty to me. Why would they mix ADHD kids with Aspies, that would have been a nut house. I can see why they failed. They would be a poor model for each other and would even make their conditions worse. If they had Apergers and then accepted kids with selective PDD/ “Not otherwise specified” or kids with other social difficulties they could have a calmer environment where some of the kids would get along and even learn from each other socially. But even then they would have to have constant social modeling (24/7) by trained staff and lots of them. It would be very expensive if done right.
But even in public schools they separate the hyperactive kids and trouble makers from the Aspies. Its not clear to me why Cedars Academy chose to accept that mix of kids.
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When I was at Hyde, there were a handful of kids who definitely had, IMO, some real learning and/or developmental disorders or handicaps. Hyde called these "character flaws." Life at Hyde can be a grueling gauntlet of maneuvering through the pecking order. Guess who usually ends up at the bottom?
"Character flaws"? That's rich. And consistent with the way my niece was treated. The program actively worked on the parents to downgrade their expectations for this girl--once an A and B student--to the point where "she's not normal" came to define her as a person (NOT by me). The Asperger's was the label used by Aspen and Boulder Creek Academy to convince the parents of this. It was supposedly the reason for all her anger and acting out. A stressful family environment that included addiction did not require introspection on the part of the parents--it was all her fault for being "not normal." I can't emphasize enough that she does not meet the diagnostic criteria for an Aspie. She was scapegoated, plain and simple.
Programs will say anything--they will lie and manipulate--to convice parents to continue writing checks. We have to be strong and not listen to programs.
Auntie Em
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When I was at Hyde, there were a handful of kids who definitely had, IMO, some real learning and/or developmental disorders or handicaps. Hyde called these "character flaws." Life at Hyde can be a grueling gauntlet of maneuvering through the pecking order. Guess who usually ends up at the bottom?
"Character flaws"? That's rich. And consistent with the way my niece was treated. The program actively worked on the parents to downgrade their expectations for this girl--once an A and B student--to the point where "she's not normal" came to define her as a person (NOT by me). The Asperger's was the label used by Aspen and Boulder Creek Academy to convince the parents of this. It was supposedly the reason for all her anger and acting out. A stressful family environment that included addiction did not require introspection on the part of the parents--it was all her fault for being "not normal." I can't emphasize enough that she does not meet the diagnostic criteria for an Aspie. She was scapegoated, plain and simple.
Programs will say anything--they will lie and manipulate--to convice parents to continue writing checks. We have to be strong and not listen to programs.
Auntie Em
Some Programs will say anything--they will lie and manipulate--to convice parents to continue writing checks.
A requirement to prescreen these children by a third party will eliminate most of these problems.
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Anne, you are wrong once again. (I love pointing this out to you)……
You love being incorrect???
I know what you meant and that's typical of program parents. You have a deep need to be in control, have the last word, be "right".
.You should read up (outside of fornits) once in awhile. Almost any professional that you speak with will tell you that early detection of Aspergers/autism is the key to helping these kids. Virtually every community has early intervention and local services who are set up and trained to help. I doubt that you could find many credible sources who would say that parents are equipped to raise an autistic child on their own without, as you call it, outsourcing to strangers.
And again, typical of program parents and in this case a paid shill, you misrepresent what others are saying to fit your own agenda. I didn't say no one needed any help....what I DID say was that they should get that help without outsourcing their child to strangers. But again......so typical.
You are grossly uneducated (..and dont go blaming straight again). Stick with the comedy, I enjoyed that.
And you're a program shill and a prick.
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I know I keep pressing this issue but this is why it is important for all children to be screened by a third party prior to being placed into a program.
You know the answer but you keep pressing the issue in a failed attempt to deflect, distract and derail the debate. A third party is necessary because programs and their shills (like you) would find that ANY kid "needs" a program. An outside, unbiased opinion (unlike the bogus dx from programs who depend on enrollment) is always beneficial. Even a "grossly uneducated" person like me (you really are getting pathetic with the insults. I must have hit a nerve) can see that.....surely a paid program shill can too.
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what I DID say was that they should get that help without outsourcing their child to strangers. But again......so typical.
.. and again you are wrong….Well unless they have a specialist in the family they are going to have to outsource to strangers now won’t they? But I think you know this……But once they work with these strangers for a few weeks then they are no longer strangers anymore.
You can be so short sighted at times, Anne.
You know the answer but you keep pressing the issue in a failed attempt to deflect, distract and derail the debate. A third party is necessary because programs and their shills (like you) would find that ANY kid "needs" a program. An outside, unbiased opinion (unlike the bogus dx from programs who depend on enrollment) is always beneficial.
You just repeated (an agreed to) what I have been saying all along. You are finally starting to listen instead of reacting to the person posting.
Many unnecessary placements would be avoided if there was a requirement, in place, to have a third party evaluate the child prior to placement. I have always been "for" (not against) having a third party evaluate each child prior to placement.
you really are getting pathetic with the insults.
So what you are saying is we shouldn’t insult other posters who disagree with us? Hmmmm. Maybe we should all try that!!
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twisted words of other people
Oh bite my ass. At least I'm straightforward with my feelings and insults. I don't like you because you make money off the abuse of kids. You hide behind the persona you've created here and you're veiled insults tell me I've, yet again, struck a nerve. Fornits obviously has or you wouldn't still be here trying to derail, deflect, discredit and generally disrupt. Fornits is quite obviously having an impact on "the industry" or there would be no need for you to stick around.
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I have always been "for" (not against) having a third party evaluate each child prior to placement.
Then why keep "pressing the issue" asshole?
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Tell him, Anne. You did hit a nerve again, but Whooter has always been especially nasty toward you. He's always been particularly nasty to his female critics. Hmmm...not too fond of women, John? They're not fond of you either.
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Ursus wrote:
When I was at Hyde, there were a handful of kids who definitely had, IMO, some real learning and/or developmental disorders or handicaps. Hyde called these "character flaws." Life at Hyde can be a grueling gauntlet of maneuvering through the pecking order. Guess who usually ends up at the bottom?
"Character flaws"? That's rich. And consistent with the way my niece was treated. The program actively worked on the parents to downgrade their expectations for this girl--once an A and B student--to the point where "she's not normal" came to define her as a person (NOT by me). The Asperger's was the label used by Aspen and Boulder Creek Academy to convince the parents of this. It was supposedly the reason for all her anger and acting out. A stressful family environment that included addiction did not require introspection on the part of the parents--it was all her fault for being "not normal." I can't emphasize enough that she does not meet the diagnostic criteria for an Aspie. She was scapegoated, plain and simple.
Programs will say anything--they will lie and manipulate--to convice parents to continue writing checks. We have to be strong and not listen to programs.
Auntie Em
Some Programs will say anything--they will lie and manipulate--to convice parents to continue writing checks. We have to be strong and not listen to programs.
A requirement to prescreen these children by a third party will eliminate most of these problems.
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FINALLY, Whooter admits what we all have been saying all along: PROGRAMS CAN'T BE TRUSTED. But, by Whooter's tortured logic, the program CAN'T be trusted to SCREEN the child properly, but they CAN be trusted to TREAT the child properly. This is as illogical a statement as can be. If they can't SCREEN properly, how on earth can they TREAT properly?
@Anne - Isn't it grand how Whooter squeals like a pig when he feels he's been insulted and rails against the "unfairness" of ad hominems while accusing everyone who disagrees with him of being "full of hatred," but when he gets any opportunity whatsoever, he slams anyone he can with the most personal and vile insults?
Again, folks, CONSIDER THE SOURCE. The reason Whooter and parents like him have so much trouble raising their own kids is because they model these awful behaviors and have these terrible attitudes while simultaneously demanding that their kids don't follow their parents' lead. The program tells them "It's not your fault, it's the kid's fault. We'll take care of that for you." and off they go!
And, as an aside, Whooter is one of the most uneducated people here. And it shows. He couldn't even manage to finish college and yet he sits here telling everyone else how uneducated THEY are. Lols.
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I have always been "for" (not against) having a third party evaluate each child prior to placement.
Then why keep "pressing the issue" asshole?
I press the issue because I think it would keep kids, who are misdiagnosed, from being placed into programs. If a program tells a parent that their son has Aspergers and they subsequently have their child evaluated by a third party (local hospital/therapist) and the hospital/therapist states they feel your child does not have Aspergers then it raises a red flag.
This will force the parents to take a closer look at their childs problem and seek more opinions besides just what a program admittance team would recommend.
Some parents just dont know any better and some programs or admittance personel may misdiagnose a kid in order to fill an empty bed.
Thanks for coming around on the issue. I know it is tough for you. I also think this brings us back on topic.
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^^What a condescending douchebag^^
BTW, can you make a list for us of the programs that lie to fill beds? At least you could be of some use then.
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Mmm... I'm surprised that you didn't mention the Aspen program Cedars Academy, Whooter, but then... they went out of business (http://http://www.strugglingteens.com/artman/publish/CedarsAcademyBN_090825.shtml) this past August, iirc.
This Bridgeville, DE program offered a college preparatory boarding school and young adult transitional program experience for such students, specifically those who were diagnosed with Asperger's Disorder, Non-Verbal Learning Disorder (NVLD) and Attention Deficit Hyperactivity Disorder (ADHD).
I'm sure then executive director John Singleton's prior experience at New Leaf Academy of North Carolina stood him good stead when it came to the "much more softer approach" these kids seem to require! :D
See also:
- Extended Insights (http://http://www.strugglingteens.com/artman/publish/CedarsAcademyEI_070821.shtml), Posted: Aug 21, 2007
- Visit Report (http://http://www.strugglingteens.com/artman/publish/CedarsAcademyVR_090120.shtml) by Stephen Migden, Ph.D., ABPP (East Coast Liaison for Woodbury Reports); Visit on: November 4, 2008
- Letter to the Editor (http://http://www.strugglingteens.com/news/lettertoeditor/ONeal_AlanMaureen.htm) from unhappy parents (2008 or 2009?)
Interesting, I dont recall this place
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Probably can't recall any shuttered-for-abuse Aspen facilities on his "master list"... (http://http://www.fornits.com/phpbb/viewtopic.php?f=9&t=25324&p=309076&hilit=+cedars#p309076)
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Some parents just dont know any better and some programs or admittance personel may misdiagnose a kid in order to fill an empty bed.
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This is very true of what happened to John D. Reuben and his son Michael at Aspen's ASR. Reuben is a clueless parent and his son was misdiagnosed and not treated properly for the addiction that killed him.
The immoral, unethical personnel using false diagnoses to fill program beds are bad enough, but clueless parents who are too caught up in their careers to parent properly make it easier. We can get the shitty programs shut down, but what about shitty parents like Reuben?
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More twisting of words
Fuck off.
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Man , I wasnt tryin to start a shitstorm here,I just wondered if the term was thrown around with abandon. Holy fuck.
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Man , I wasnt tryin to start a shitstorm here,I just wondered if the term was thrown around with abandon. Holy fuck.
:rofl: :rofl:
For similarly brewed discussion along these very same lines, see also:
Autistics at Hyde School
viewtopic.php?f=43&t=27220 (http://www.fornits.com/phpbb/viewtopic.php?f=43&t=27220)[/list]
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Man , I wasnt tryin to start a shitstorm here,I just wondered if the term was thrown around with abandon. Holy fuck.
No, your thread generated a healthy discussion regarding Aspergers and Programs. Thanks for starting it. What you are referring to as a shitstorm were some people who don’t like opposing points of view and resort to name calling or personal attacks to vent their frustration of not being agreed with. This happens in open forum discussion especially here on fornits… overall there were some great points made.
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No, your thread generated a healthy discussion regarding Aspergers and Programs. Thanks for starting it. What you are referring to as a shitstorm were some people who don’t like opposing points of view and resort to name calling or personal attacks to vent their frustration of not being agreed with. This happens in open forum discussion especially here on fornits… overall there were some great points made.
Nobody minds opposing points of view here (well, except Danny). What we don't like is liars and people who profit off of the abuse and humiliation of kids.
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No, your thread generated a healthy discussion regarding Aspergers and Programs. Thanks for starting it. What you are referring to as a shitstorm were some people who don’t like opposing points of view and resort to name calling or personal attacks to vent their frustration of not being agreed with. This happens in open forum discussion especially here on fornits… overall there were some great points made.
Nobody minds opposing points of view here (well, except Danny). What we don't like is liars and people who profit off of the abuse and humiliation of kids.
What I typically do is ask for a link to an outside source if I feel a person’s information isn’t correct or ask the poster if he is just expressing his opinion. This is usually enough to clarify a given point and separate out the lies from opinion.
As far as posters who “profit off the abuse and humiliation of children” I would contact the authorities and give them your proof and they will very quickly obtain a court order to have the persons IP address turned over to them and his plug would be pulled. So apparently if this person is still openly posting here then that means you do not have the proof to back up your allegations and therefore needs to be treated as an opinion. This brings us full circle to my first point.
So we can conclude that if the person is still posting here then this must be just an opinion (not fact). Otherwise the person would be in prison.
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Hmmmmm...I think Whooter's point fails the smell test.
Correct me if I'm wrong here, but weren't several Aspen facilities closed in WA last fall explicitly for "systematic child abuse and neglect"? Were these facilities not profitable? Since they were profitable, that means that all of Aspen's employees there (and all who share in profits through 401k or profit-sharing accounts and the like) did in fact profit from child abuse. Yet none are in jail.
Whooter's simplistic and fallacious logic is, once more, an epic failure.
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................Yet none are in jail.
Exactly!! In fact there was so little evidence that no one was ever even taken to trial. Even If someone was convicted then you would need to tie that person back to the poster here on fornits that you thought was abusing kids and profiting from it. This hasn’t been done yet. See you need evidence that the person worked there or drew a profit of some type and then tie it back to the person you think is posting here.
You claim that staff at HLA abused kids …… you were a staff member yourself and drew a paycheck from the industry. So you participated first hand and profited from it (Oh wait!, Maybe you didn’t inhale), Yet you are not in jail. See the fact is that we can tie you directly to the industry and all you can do is speculate and question other people’s motives, names and background via links that go nowhere .
Interesting how this fact finding works isn’t it?
Now that I lead you to the pile and you stepped in it you can go back to trolling me again to purge your anger!!
I will respond to your every 10th troll post (bumps dont count), just to keep you tagging along and avoid feeding into your trollness (is that a word?).
Starting now, Go!!!
Wiggle, wiggle LOL.
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buncha squirmy bullshit
You are such a sanctimonious prick.
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buncha squirmy bullshit
You are such a sanctimonious prick.
Lols, yes, Anne, you got that right. But let me illustrate my point here a bit better...
Whooter's premise: Anyone abusing children for profit will be in jail.
The truth: Many who abuse children for profit, like Aspen employees at facilities closed specifically for "systematic child abuse and neglect," are in fact NOT in jail.
Therefore: Whooter's premise is false.
OK, now let's keep going.
Whooter's new statement: DJ abused kids for profit and is not in jail.
Therefore: Whooter's original premise is DOUBLY false.
See, Anne, he's so dumb he proves himself wrong. And gets giddy over it because he doesn't even understand he killed his own argument by trying to attack me personally.
And don't forget this:
What you are referring to as a shitstorm were some people who don’t like opposing points of view and resort to name calling or personal attacks to vent their frustration of not being agreed with.
Then, right after I disagree with him AND prove he is wrong, and HE proves he is wrong:
Now that I lead you to the pile and you stepped in it you can go back to trolling me again to purge your anger!!
He starts the namecalling...
What an ignoramus. Whooter is just a total failure at everything he tries to do.
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Wow.....this is great and all, but can we get back to talking about Asperger's and off of this annoying mud-slinging contest?
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................Yet none are in jail.
Exactly!! In fact there was so little evidence that no one was ever even taken to trial. Even If someone was convicted then you would need to tie that person back to the poster here on fornits that you thought was abusing kids and profiting from it. This hasn’t been done yet. See you need evidence that the person worked there or drew a profit of some type and then tie it back to the person you think is posting here.
You claim that staff at HLA abused kids …… you were a staff member yourself and drew a paycheck from the industry. So you participated first hand and profited from it (Oh wait!, Maybe you didn’t inhale), Yet you are not in jail. See the fact is that we can tie you directly to the industry and all you can do is speculate and question other people’s motives, names and background via links that go nowhere .
Interesting how this fact finding works isn’t it?
Now that I lead you to the pile and you stepped in it you can go back to trolling me again to purge your anger!!
I will respond to your every 10th troll post (bumps dont count), just to keep you tagging along and avoid feeding into your trollness (is that a word?).
Starting now, Go!!!
Wiggle, wiggle LOL.
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Anyone else note the tight, nearly hysterical shrill tone of that post? Note the triple exclamation points, like the cretin's fingers were spasmodically hitting the keys in a shuddering rage. Rein it back in, Johnnny, you're showing the weakness!
...and who are you to bitch about being trolled, you squirrel-y bastard? I'm surprised you haven't brought your "Nigel" persona over to defend you. You're showing the cracks, Johnny! Keep it up and you'll be in the grown-up RTC. Now THAT would be Karma well served.
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