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Treatment Abuse, Behavior Modification, Thought Reform => Straight, Inc. and Derivatives => Topic started by: Powerful Attitude on September 11, 2003, 04:45:00 PM
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Thanks to yOu. My wife has decided that I am one of you and is divorcing me because of you pathetic motherfuckers. You tell me I have problems. You wallow in your own shit making excuses so you don't have to take responsability for YOURSELVES. I CALL THAT BEING A FUCKING PUSY. To my much despise that I have for you already, I get to hear her call me psycho from Straight, Controller, I restrained her, I'm an Addict. You fucking weak bastards need to mind to your own affairs and leave the ones that stand alone, alone. I will hate ya'll forever like I always have. You are no better than the group, you are the fucking group, the cult, the one's that have separated my wife and I. Is that not what the seed and straight did? Fuckers. Keep crying and I will keep bashing your cultic fucking brains in. Ya'll have brain washed my wife, She wants nothing to do with me as she yells straight driving away in another mans car with my children, surely, I pray for you to pay the consequences of your actions, surely you are the weak and for me the despised. Ya'll definitely are the Sick. Cry, Cry, Cry. You fucking make me sick. Talk to some others about being a skitz, surely you must pay. Pay the price pound for pound. Can you assholes bring me back my children and wife? I mean you have done such a great job. The one with 12 years, you?re a goddamn pro. You fucking bitch, and the rest of you may die. Feel Free. ANYTIME, DIE. Bring it on you fucking bastards; I'm ready this time. I hate. Jenn if you reply I will chomp and devour and spit you out like the rest. Bring it on FUCK HEADS. :rofl:
P.A.
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You know, just the other day, as I was watching my favorite minister on television, I was convicted of the bitterness and hatred that is in my heart towards people who I feel have harmed me.
And truly, many of those people ARE on this board. Some have spread lies about me, some believe those lies and will no longer speak to me, and others, like your spouse, have left me.
But in the end, my anger and my bitterness and my hatred only hurt me because it doesn't affect those who have harmed me in the slightest.
I know that you have encountered many enemies on this board, P.A. and I know that you have come against a lot of opposition for speaking about God.
But I have always defended you and even though I have never spoke to you personally, I am your friend in Christ.
Please, get on your knees and praise God that you have a wife and children to cry over, and ask Him to mend the anger and the bitterness in your heart. Hating these people is NOT going to change them. All it's going to do is lead to YOUR destruction. Turn off the computer, P.A. and turn onto the voice of your Lord.
And last, I'm going to tell you what my Mom always said to me when I thought I was going to self-destruct and explode, and couldn't take it anymore: Is it as bad as what they did to Jesus?
I'm sure your wife left you because of that anger and bitterness in your heart. So, how do you change that? You have to surrender that anger to the One who died for you.
My God, my God, why have you forsaken me? He felt your despair and He shed his blood to give you hope. I'm not telling you what you don't already know. I'm just reminding you of what you seem to have forgotten.
Now, no matter how you may or may not lash out at me, I'm not going to respond in kind.
I love you brother, and I'm praying for you, right now! Please, get on your knees and let those feelings go. Give it to Him and He will heal both you, and your broken family. Trust that everything happens for a reason and allow Him to work by being willing to try something new.
When I lost someone dear to me and I still grieve that loss, I throw my hands in the air and I thank God that I was able to have a love to miss. I know praise may seem crazy, but trust me, it really does work.
Stay off of this board, P.A. It is toxic for you. And you deserve better. In that way, your wife is correct. Let these people go and concentrate on healing your heart first, and your family second.
It will all work out if you trust in Him.
God bless you, brother.
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On 2003-09-11 13:45:00, Powerful Attitude wrote:
"Thanks to yOu. My wife has decided that I am one of you and is divorcing me because of you pathetic motherfuckers. You tell me I have problems. You wallow in your own shit making excuses so you don't have to take responsability for YOURSELVES. I CALL THAT BEING A FUCKING PUSY. To my much despise that I have for you already, I get to hear her call me psycho from Straight, Controller, I restrained her, I'm an Addict. You fucking weak bastards need to mind to your own affairs and leave the ones that stand alone, alone. I will hate ya'll forever like I always have. You are no better than the group, you are the fucking group, the cult, the one's that have separated my wife and I. Is that not what the seed and straight did? Fuckers. Keep crying and I will keep bashing your cultic fucking brains in. Ya'll have brain washed my wife, She wants nothing to do with me as she yells straight driving away in another mans car with my children, surely, I pray for you to pay the consequences of your actions, surely you are the weak and for me the despised. Ya'll definitely are the Sick. Cry, Cry, Cry. You fucking make me sick. Talk to some others about being a skitz, surely you must pay. Pay the price pound for pound. Can you assholes bring me back my children and wife? I mean you have done such a great job. The one with 12 years, you?re a goddamn pro. You fucking bitch, and the rest of you may die. Feel Free. ANYTIME, DIE. Bring it on you fucking bastards; I'm ready this time. I hate. Jenn if you reply I will chomp and devour and spit you out like the rest. Bring it on FUCK HEADS. :rofl:
P.A.
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You need professional help, you are mentally unstable. If I was your wife, I'd leave you too. You probablly scare the hell out of her. You seriously scare me and I'm in cyberspace. Get a good psychiatrist!
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Powerful Attitude, if your name truly is Preston K. I would like to invite you to go canoeing with me sometime. There is just something about piloting a watercraft under your own power that makes you see just where you are in the world. Now while I may have wrote a rather scathing account of one of my last encounters with you, I really am over it now. You need some help and compassion to deal with the cards you have been dealt with lately. I am sorry if my words caused you any harm or grief. Feel free to e-mail me and let me know how things are going with you. This board is not about hurting, it is supposed to be about healing, and it seems that you are in need of some right about now. Please write, I would like to hear from you. take care, Bob in St. Pete.
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Just guessing, but from your post I am guessing she would have bailed without any input from anyone here. Not lashing out at ya, just speaking the truth.
We have all been broken just like you. We have all placed blame elsewhere. Unfortunately no matter where the blame truely lies or belongs the healing only starts with you.
I challenge you to look inside and not out. Good luck bro. You have a long road ahead of you. I am sorry for your pain, no one deserves to hurt like that, no matter what.
Just my opinion...be safe...
Will
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Just curious, which Jenn don't you want to hear from? So as not to piss you off further?
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You always know just when to jump in and just what to say.
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Buddy, I'm so sorry to hear things aren't going well for your family. I know I don't know the whole story. Woulsn't put it on you to make me know all of that. Maybe she can't handle the rough stuff. Maye she can and you're not handling things so well. I don't know and I have no premis to think I do.
So I have to fall back on my lifes' experience and just tell you what I could see from where I was at the time.
My dad was faulty, often drunk to staggaring, most often critical, foul mouthed and cruel. I was taught to quietly accept but privately abhor his cussing and yelling, but to publicy admonish the amicable, friendly and unthreatening, but opinionated drunk that he was on occasion. When the shit hit the fan and I really needed a solid ally, he'd figured out that, on the important issues, he could trust me and I had figured him the same way.
Your wife may be right. Maybe you're too absorbed in this drama for yours and your kid's good. Or maye not. Maybe she doesn't get that there's little that these people can do to you that could compare to what they can do to your kids and grandkids if you stay mum. I wrestle with that daily and, daily, come to different conclusions depending on what's at stake and what's on the table that day.
No matter what, though, do what's right for your kids. As the best revenge is living well, that is the Holy Grail.
Allow the President to invade a neighboring nation whenever he shall deem it necessary to repel an invasion, and you allow him to do so whenever he may choose to say he deems it necessary for such purpose, and you allow him to make war at pleasure. Study to see if you can fix any limit to his power in this respect, after having given him so much as you propose. If today he should choose to say he thinks it necessary to invade Canada to prevent the British from invading us, how could you stop him? You may say to him,--"I see no probability of the British invading us"; but he will say to you, "Be silent: I see it, if you don't."
--Abraham Lincoln
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Sorry Powerful attitude that your going through so much @ this time....We the survivos of Straight have been victims of one the worst political propagandas & Drug War Cults which resulted in McCarthy like scare tactics. Injustice & shit happens in the world even in this great country of ours. However, what others survivors are saying is true....Anger is nothing but a cancer that will rob you of your future & quility of life.....
I encourage you to read about other individuals that experienced great injustice and horror like: Mandela, Eli Wiesel, & the Hurricane....These men like us were falsely inprisoned, abused, tortured etc etc....Eli Wiesel watched his entire family march to the gas chambers of the camps, Mandela & the Hurricane spent 20 plus yrs in prison for being black. These stories were an inspiration to me once I got out of Straight.....I too was extremely angry...These men were able to channel their anger they had towards their oppressors & work towards productive ways.
I hope that you find help with ethical professionals & above all else inner peace! Let me know if I can assist you with finding help. I have connections due to the field that I'm in.
Be Well,
Nicole
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I am looking for someone who can put me in my place, someone who can beat me down. I say and I do when the time is needed, I will not fail nor loose because of a fucking excuse such as straight. Straight will die and the demons that follow, they shall chew the flesh of those who inflicted the innocent. There are none who stick to their word and there are none who do as they say they will. Nor are there any who will die for the sake. I myself lay my life down for my brother at will, I do not, I hear not, nor will I speak if it is needed. I will give you my all, and as I have watched my brothers and sisters run as I lay my life down for the cause. Not sometimes but always. I began a new carrier the time ya'll began your personal attack, I didn't really care. It was a time, that moment I look for when that little door is opened that one must enter before it shuts, the one that separates you from the rest, a door that may never be seen again and not seen by those who look not. Within three months I had designed, improved, and accomplished 650k worth of remodeling contracts that would provide for my wife who thought all I did for 18 hours a day was cheat on her. Fuck her and the group that led her while I was gone. We will all pay the price for being false-prophets; don't think we are excluded do you. You are what you are and shall surely pay the price. There shall be wailing and gnashing of teeth. My JV felt it necessary to fuck me out of all my monies. He will be dealt with in my way, harms fucking way that is. As I return my wife tells me after I smell the rotten stench of deceit lingering in the halls, all things had changed and I knew she was dead to me, she now knew were my heart was, money, damn she knew me well, well enough to hit me when I'm looking for her and family the most. But she also reminded me of the wonderful life I was taught by Straight. Surely I hate. Then to top it off my friends managed to get 3,000.00 more from the weak soul that I had become. I tell you not for any correction nor do I look for advice. All that shit is gone. 150k + 3 family members taken away, and two that I will never see again. All in a blink of an eye, and all friends have become not, like I said I lay down my life. I am here to win it back because I am back trusting none as a shred you Fuckers apart nor will I settle for less. False Prophets listen to my speech you preach but with the words of deceit. Destroyers know that my sites are on you; you shall surely sink, to the depths of your own deceit. Tell me your sorry, as I piss on you in a time of need nor would I reach to keep you from harm. Deceivers now my speech is to you, you will fall in your time of need, and I will smile at your falling. You are not like me nor will you recover, as I will. For I have already laid my life down for the cause nor will I sway from the path that has been chosen for me. I live on. None shall enter, none shall pass, and none shall cause me to stumble. All that get in my way will remember my name. All will pass destroyed and broken. No longer do I trust, no longer do I walk together, no longer will I be like any other. Hey, Familiar FUCK, come lick what you love the most, come eat what I shove down your throat, cum suck what you need to feel alive. I despise your riddle of lies. I speak the words that no-one else dare speak, I stand up to those who nobody else does, I tread all those that dish out, I create new paths that no-one seeks nor do they look my way, I see what others do not, I live for one more day, I give to those who ask not, I look for the light in obscure places, I take it to the line, I look at you I to I, I feel no remorse because you and I know what you have donefrom before. I will not wait, I shall not bow down, I will never give in, I will get beaten but know I always return better, stronger, wiser, and with a new life I begin. I win. I think like no other, I am my own and I only follow one. I pray he put me on the line, he test me for what I speak, do not let me slide, that is for the weak, give to me as I deserve, burn me when I'm in the way , come strive with me, take me to the top only if I deserve, listen not to those that speak what they know not, keep me from the false prophets of light, let me not speak as they, let me not act as they do, let me know what I see not, show me the enemy as I divide them in two, I tread upon those you choose, I lead not astray , I'm the man looking the other way, not your way, nor your will, nor your heart, nor what lies deep beneath your skin. When we meet you will never forget what I am nor will you forget my WAY. They came to take me away, they came to knock me off my feet, they came to bury me in their deceit, they came again when I was most weak, they know not what I have inside, nor what it speak. She came for me in my sleep, she had my heart but she was full of deceit, she brought me to my knees, she lied as she cried, she planned his defeat, get him when he's weak, she left him no more to speak, she left him for her deceit, she tried to take his life, but he took all they could give, no more they thought he lived. He walks on to defeat, he faces all that he meets, he takes what he earns, and feeds who he leads. Alone he has conquered those that went for his defeat. Now he stands at their feet, now he sees their defeat, straight fucking ahead he's coming today to look at you straight in your face, He's come for you today, at your disgrace, he will find you today, and he will spit in your face as he moves along at his own pace. Watch out he's in your face, ready to beat you down into your place.
P.A.
P.A.
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:tup: Yeah OK....hope you feel better...nothing like alittle word play for that right buddy?
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Spoken like a true Christian soul.
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"HEY CHARLIE, WE GOT A GODDAMN NUT DOWN HERE WITH A FUCKIN BAZOOKA!!! (street construction scene from the Joel Shumacker film "Falling Down" starring Micheal Douglas and Robert Duvall)
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On 2003-09-12 09:45:00, 85 Day Jerk wrote:
""HEY CHARLIE, WE GOT A GODDAMN NUT DOWN HERE WITH A FUCKIN BAZOOKA!!! (street construction scene from the Joel Shumacker film "Falling Down" starring Micheal Douglas and Robert Duvall)"
"I'm sorry sir, we stop serving breakfast at 11:00." :grin:
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Lovely, Carmel. When you asked for prayer in YOUR time of need, just WHOM do you think was praying for you and to WHOM do you think we were praying?
Being a Christian doesn't exempt a person from being angry. If you think it's so easy to be a "Christian soul" then why you don't you give it a whirl and try holding YOUR tongue?
"Out of the abundance of the heart, the mouth speaks." (That's Scriptural).
And you know what I see in your heart Carmel? Prejudice.
So right back at you: spoken like a true white woman. How does that feel? Fair, or unfair to judge all white women by your example?
Or how about, spoken like a true Texan. Is that fair to judge all Texans by your behavior?
Stereotypes are for the ignorant. I always thought you were more intelligent than that, girlfriend. :cry:
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"Heil Hitler!" (Madman Mundt played by John Goodman, before he blows off the head of one of the detectives in the Cohen Bros. film "Barton Fink") :flame:
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And for you two with the psychiatric disorders:
Are you actually standing in your glass houses and throwing stones at others? :flame:
It's a rare thing when someone manages to both suck and blow at the same time, but you two have somehow made it possible, haven't you? :mad:
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After reading all these replies I was left wondering are we all so worried about sounding correct that it is wrong to point out this guy is unstable? Or is the correct wording "in need of counseling" please someone tell me b/c I don't speak PC. Look I am sorry for the break up of a marriage and home...statiscally speaking the majority of us will experience this same thing in our lifetime. Would I ever think it was ok to lash out and threaten others? Doubt it...why b/c I am not currently off my medication.
Oh one more thing of course christians become angry....but can one of you advocates out in cyber space justify the filth he spouted with religion?
I am also sure that post would help a visitation request wouldn't it? Or will someone let the judge know he really is a christian?
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On 2003-09-11 16:35:00, not a fuckhead wrote:
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On 2003-09-11 13:45:00, Powerful Attitude wrote:
"Thanks to yOu. My wife has decided that I am one of you and is divorcing me because of you pathetic motherfuckers. You tell me I have problems. You wallow in your own shit making excuses so you don't have to take responsability for YOURSELVES. I CALL THAT BEING A FUCKING PUSY. To my much despise that I have for you already, I get to hear her call me psycho from Straight, Controller, I restrained her, I'm an Addict. You fucking weak bastards need to mind to your own affairs and leave the ones that stand alone, alone. I will hate ya'll forever like I always have. You are no better than the group, you are the fucking group, the cult, the one's that have separated my wife and I. Is that not what the seed and straight did? Fuckers. Keep crying and I will keep bashing your cultic fucking brains in. Ya'll have brain washed my wife, She wants nothing to do with me as she yells straight driving away in another mans car with my children, surely, I pray for you to pay the consequences of your actions, surely you are the weak and for me the despised. Ya'll definitely are the Sick. Cry, Cry, Cry. You fucking make me sick. Talk to some others about being a skitz, surely you must pay. Pay the price pound for pound. Can you assholes bring me back my children and wife? I mean you have done such a great job. The one with 12 years, you?re a goddamn pro. You fucking bitch, and the rest of you may die. Feel Free. ANYTIME, DIE. Bring it on you fucking bastards; I'm ready this time. I hate. Jenn if you reply I will chomp and devour and spit you out like the rest. Bring it on FUCK HEADS. :rofl:
P.A.
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You need professional help, you are mentally unstable. If I was your wife, I'd leave you too. You probablly scare the hell out of her. You seriously scare me and I'm in cyberspace. Get a good psychiatrist!"
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't is a little thing Dropp'd in the heart's deep well; The good, the joy, that it may bring Eternity shall tell.
-- G. W. Langford: Speak gently.
Folks, let's be real here. We're all a little fucking crazy. Probably no more or less, on average, than anyone else. But that tie that binds us all together tends to bring out the worst in us quite often.
PA, buddy, you're not the first and you won't be the last to suffer fucked up relationships and loss over dancing with draggons. Did you get took? Who took your money and flushed it down the toilet? Who talked shit about you to your wife while you were out busting your hump to bring presents to her feet? Who so abused your trust?
I can't tell you, because I don't know, who fucked up the most or the least or if any of this is worthwhile or not.
All my brothers and sisters say no, it's not. The world is a fucked up place and your best bet is to just insulate yourself and your loved ones from the most immediate reminders and pretend like we're all bit players in some blithely sappy sitcom. I envy them. I honestly do. I tried to pull off that feat of self delusion for years but my mind just doesn't work that way. It's like insomnia; I'm tired, I'm not worried about anything in particular, in fact looking forward to some pleasant task or event the next day. I lie down, close my eyes... but nothing happens.... slower than in the day when the sun is up.
So my fellow McNultys can't abide my company. I invest a lot of time and attention in trying to figure out how to undo the drug war. That makes them very uncomfortable, because it's either an affront to their proud Seedling identity or just opening old wounds, depending on which one of them we're talking about.
So, because I'm the crazy one, I had no say and could not stop them as they litterally burned all of my dads books, magazines, most of his writings and even tore to bits the ugly but sound storage trailer in which all of that was stored and threw IT on the bonfire too. All but the valuable pieces and parts, for which they invited a couple of scrap men to come haul off "for free" (what a deal, eh?)
I had no say in the way the money was divided, either, unless I want to divert whater may be left of Dad's earnings and savings to the cause of helping to put a couple of lawyers' kids through school.
I had no say in my dad's care in his dying days. And I have no brothers or sisters, except the type who will sink the knife and give it a good twist each and every time I let down my guard.
I can't say I know what it's like for you, at this stage in life to be where you are right now. It don't look pretty from where I sit and I'm all bent out of shape and distracted worrying about you. Fucked up, eh? I don't even know your name, never seen your face. But I'm worried for you and utterly helpless to do anything to help.
Am I crazy? Is it a normal human function to be able to pretend everthing's wonderful and just unsee all the clues to the contrary? I don't fuckin' know, so I won't try to tell you.
Are we tilting at windmills here? More like tilting at jet turbines set to takeoff speed with blindfolds on, I think. Is it worth it? I don't know.
I do know this, though. There are things I will do and other things I won't do in the interest of righting these ongoing wrongs and raising a proper "hue and cry". I don't dig martyrdome. That's my mom's gig, not mine.
No one is any better off, and lots of folks are worse off, if any of us throw ourselves under the wheels in a heroic, though futile, act of martyrdome. I don't know exactly what kinds of things you have in mind to do. I just hope, sincerely, earnestly that you don't make any permanent decisions while your at your absolute worst. Whatever it is, it shall soon pass. That's trite, but it's also true.
Did I somehow help cause this crisis in your life? I don't know. I hope not. But if you think I did, please tell me how so I can avoid making the same mistake again.
I don't know what else to say. How `bout we all go out and get Harleys and be rugged, independent outsiders like normal former POWs with permanent psych injuries?
"...In general, it's just an overall sign in America that there doesn't seem to be as much respect for authority figures, and that's a bad trend. It just strikes me that people can say whatever they want to and get away with it, and that's not good."
--But David Murrell, exec. dir. of the Florida Police Benevolent Association
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Ginger Warbis ~ Antigen
American drug war P.O.W.
10/80 - 10/82
Straight South (Sarasota, FL)
Anonymity Anonymous
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I think we ALL should read some Bukowski, makes me feel better :grin:
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On 2003-09-12 10:23:00, Anonymous wrote:
"And for you two with the psychiatric disorders:
Are you actually standing in your glass houses and throwing stones at others? ::bigsmilebounce::
I cannot speak for Morli, but when the fuck did I become a poster child for the politically correct mentally ill? I mean if I am the poster child, then you must owe me some royalty payments then right?
Well enough of all that. Anyone with half a brain can see that I made an offer to take Mr. Powerful Attitude out canoeing, but apparently he is too busy hating the world right about now. I even went as far as to say I apologize for the way I remembered him, and then WHAMMO!! Instead of merely being an twisted and tortured soul that was an A hole just in my memory alone, he has to go and give himself CARPUL TUNNEL SYNDROME typing out his venomous manifesto for all to see!!! So yeah, you're damn right I called him a nut. I'm just calling a spade a spade here. As far as me being a nut, I don't recall being placed in a hospital at any time in my life. I was in a clinic twice, but that hardly counts for anything.
I have driven school buses twice for Pinellas County, and that is not the kind of job that any "Nut" can obtain now is it? Come to think of it, they will not even consider "Anonymous" applicants for a damn interview!!
Before I leave everyone to go on with their lives and their fat ugly wives, I want to make one thing perfectly clear.......I AM NOT MY DISORDER, I DID NOT ASK FOR IT, OR DESERVE IT, BUT I HAVE IT, AND ACCEPT IT. I AM NOT "CURED" NOR DOES SCIENCE SAY I EVER WILL BE. I AM JUST BOB, THE 85 DAY JERK, NO MORE AND NO LESS. Any one wants to walk a mile in my shoes, I'll leave them out on my doorstep.
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In case anyone cares, I just removed the ban on username Wes Faker. I'm pretty well satisfied that there's no real threat.
Doesn't mean I approve or disaprove or deem myself worthy to judge anything the guy thinks or says or his reason for being so damned pissed off to begin with. Just that there's no good reason for me to medal and so I won't.
May your days be joyously challenging and your words artfully true.
--Ginger Warbis
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On 2003-09-12 21:49:00, 85 Day Jerk wrote:
"On 2003-09-12 10:23:00, Anonymous wrote:
"And for you two with the psychiatric disorders:
Are you actually standing in your glass houses and throwing stones at others? ::bigsmilebounce::
I cannot speak for Morli, but when the fuck did I become a poster child for the politically correct mentally ill? I mean if I am the poster child, then you must owe me some royalty payments then right?
Well enough of all that. Anyone with half a brain can see that I made an offer to take Mr. Powerful Attitude out canoeing, but apparently he is too busy hating the world right about now. I even went as far as to say I apologize for the way I remembered him, and then WHAMMO!! Instead of merely being an twisted and tortured soul that was an A hole just in my memory alone, he has to go and give himself CARPUL TUNNEL SYNDROME typing out his venomous manifesto for all to see!!! So yeah, you're damn right I called him a nut. I'm just calling a spade a spade here. As far as me being a nut, I don't recall being placed in a hospital at any time in my life. I was in a clinic twice, but that hardly counts for anything.
I have driven school buses twice for Pinellas County, and that is not the kind of job that any "Nut" can obtain now is it? Come to think of it, they will not even consider "Anonymous" applicants for a damn interview!!
Before I leave everyone to go on with their lives and their fat ugly wives, I want to make one thing perfectly clear.......I AM NOT MY DISORDER, I DID NOT ASK FOR IT, OR DESERVE IT, BUT I HAVE IT, AND ACCEPT IT. I AM NOT "CURED" NOR DOES SCIENCE SAY I EVER WILL BE. I AM JUST BOB, THE 85 DAY JERK, NO MORE AND NO LESS. Any one wants to walk a mile in my shoes, I'll leave them out on my doorstep."
I don't mind mentioning AGAIN that I've been seeing a wonderful psychiatrist for over three years now and I don't need or require medications. That doesn't mean they are not good for some people. Besides Bob, I think he was talking to you and Alex, but then again, I've been wrong before and apologize in advance if this is wrong. Being polite and nice helps us get our messages across to others. :grin:
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My point was that instead of being mean you two could be understanding and nice since you both have gone to a psychiatrist and received help for your troubles. It wasn't an indictment on who you are, or your need of help, or what that place did to us. It was a call for you to back the hell off and pretend that PA is you or someone you love, simply because at one point in your life, you needed damn help too. And yes, Bob, you were kind. And when the response was the same that it was from the beginning, you decided to get mean. What good did you do by calling PA a nut? All it did was encouraged Morli to jump in and then others followed like dominoes.
You have a guy on the edge and you're standing there yelling Jump! So I said what I said in hopes that you will pretend that he is your father or your brother or your son or even yourself, and no matter what he says, try extending some empathy, sympathy, and love. This isn't about you and your mental state.
That's all I'm saying. I think we all understand PA needs help, but did you consider that your words could very well make the difference in how he reacts? Sure, he's ultimately responsible for his actions, but we could intercede, we can have an impact one way or another.
But I by no means was trying to judge any of you or trying to be mean in any way. I was simply speaking as the relative of someone with a mental illness who took a few innocent people with him when he went over that edge. I spoke as the co-worker of a woman whose husband orphaned their child in a rage, and I speak as a person who knows what it feels like to be in despair and grief over loss. But mostly, I just want you to think about his children and his wife. Your words could make all the difference in how he reacts.
I'm sorry if I angered you. I only meant to convict you of throwing stones. I never meant to hurt your feelings. My apologies.
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On 2003-09-13 07:18:00, Anonymous wrote:
"My point was that instead of being mean you two could be understanding and nice since you both have gone to a psychiatrist and received help for your troubles. It wasn't an indictment on who you are, or your need of help, or what that place did to us. It was a call for you to back the hell off and pretend that PA is you or someone you love, simply because at one point in your life, you needed damn help too. And yes, Bob, you were kind. And when the response was the same that it was from the beginning, you decided to get mean. What good did you do by calling PA a nut? All it did was encouraged Morli to jump in and then others followed like dominoes.
You have a guy on the edge and you're standing there yelling Jump! So I said what I said in hopes that you will pretend that he is your father or your brother or your son or even yourself, and no matter what he says, try extending some empathy, sympathy, and love. This isn't about you and your mental state.
That's all I'm saying. I think we all understand PA needs help, but did you consider that your words could very well make the difference in how he reacts? Sure, he's ultimately responsible for his actions, but we could intercede, we can have an impact one way or another.
But I by no means was trying to judge any of you or trying to be mean in any way. I was simply speaking as the relative of someone with a mental illness who took a few innocent people with him when he went over that edge. I spoke as the co-worker of a woman whose husband orphaned their child in a rage, and I speak as a person who knows what it feels like to be in despair and grief over loss. But mostly, I just want you to think about his children and his wife. Your words could make all the difference in how he reacts.
I'm sorry if I angered you. I only meant to convict you of throwing stones. I never meant to hurt your feelings. My apologies."
In my lifetime there have been times that nothing anyone could say was going to get me to listen. But, over time hearing the same thing over and over opened my eyes and my mind and helped me stop blaming others and look at myself. Personally, I like that Michael Douglas movie and my quote meant nothing more than that. However, I'm not going to tiptoe around the fact that PA has been angry at this 'board' for as long as I can remember and the amount of blame he lays on others is definately remarkable. Spewing cockamamie dogma is and does sound like the rantings of sheer insanity.
I would like to add that I've had a boyfriend that sounds just like PA. He was schizophrenic. I really do hope the best for PA.
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Look, folks, I don't know that PA is a nut. I don't know who he is. I did think, or at least suspect, that he and WF were the same person. But I was mistaken. For that matter, I don't know that WF is mentally ill, either.
All I know for sure is that both of these guys have recently posted some very angry, a little scary, stuff. For all I know, they're the sane ones, we're all crazy and that's why they're so distressed.
Let me give you a real life example. Say you're walking down the street when you see this burly guy in full battle warp kicking the living shit out of a year old Rottweiler with his bare feet and fists. When the dog finally cows and runs for home, the guy chases her down, kicks her one more time, tries to catch her, calls the owner by name and threatens to pick the bitch up and break her in half right in front of him before moving on to kill the owner.
What a fuckin lunatic, right? Not just mean and dangerous, but seemingly endowed by his obvious insanity with super-human strength, right?
Well, if you'd come on the scene just a few minutes prior, you would have seen this same man taking his little girl and her new puppy out for a walk to the neighborhood dog run and this poor victimized Rottweiler playing the part of the predator. She comes out from behind a bush, snatches the puppy and starts shaking him like a rabbit. Then the man kicks the dog in the head, telling her "Drop it! Drop it!" till she drops the pup. While he's scooping up the puppy, who by then is in full shock and covered in piss and a little blood, the big dog goes after the panicked and hysterical little girl.
Still think he's a lunatic? Miguel (the Rottweiler's owner) does, but I just think he's less than objective about his pets and what they're capable of.
There's probably little or nothing that I can do to help either WF or PA. I don't even know if they want anything from me. Neither has asked me for a damned thing or contacted me at all, except through this public forum. But I damned sure won't be fucking with them, either.
Cops; you wake `em up you gotta dance with `em. They lead.
-- Jack McNulty
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Ginger Warbis ~ Antigen
American drug war P.O.W.
10/80 - 10/82
Straight South (Sarasota, FL)
Anonymity Anonymous
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I joined this board in July of 2002 and this particular thread is one of the truly genuine examples of what it means to be a survivor. I think the fire is out finally, but it was damn cool while it lasted. I learned alot about myself and the way I come across to people and the harmful influence I can have on others, just like the day I got 23 guys to start acting like jerks before Mrs. Pete blew her stack and had me thrown in the "Think Room."
For the past year far too many of us have gotten ourselves involved in completely retarded endeavors to "get back" at the Semblers, board of directors and spin-off programs and the efforts have caused more harm than good. Out of the 9 or 10 original core group I met in Pinellas County, there are only 3 I can stand to be around and only 1 that I would trust with my house keys. That is simply the way it is, and I don't like it.
I want to get back to my original idea of having a place for Survivors to go and just simply be. No protest, no "proving" anything to anyone, just hanging out and having fun. In the old days these places were called lodges and the people that went to them were called drunks, but I'm sure we can take the basic formula and make it work. Down here we have someone that can pilot fishing boats, only nobody is going out fishing because they can't stand her. We got someone else that is really good at marketing things only nothing is being made or sold because he spends too much time getting baked. Other people want to create music, but live in separate states and can never seem to get together. I myself was about 3 hours shy of leaving for Orlando when I caught wind that some people I did not want to meet were going to be there, so I went fishing off the seawall instead. I caught a beautiful Spotted Sea Trout, and while it may have looked damn good in my frying pan, it looked even better swimming away gracefully once I let it go. As the sun came up and ate up what was left of the stars, I felt the first playful tickling of the Autumn breeze, and I felt like a fool for letting Summer slip away without ever really getting to enjoy it.
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Bob, I'm shocked! Put yourself in that troute's place for just a moment. Right now, he's probably off nibbling the exotic and dangerous variety of algae in the company of sharks and bottom feeders, all because his wife and friends think he's finally gone over the edge with this crazy abduction tale.
Shame on you! He would have been far better off in the fry pan. Especially if it was a nice, stoute iron one and he were basking in the glow of fresh butter, garlic, onion, basil, a little lemon maybe some rosemerry...
:em: In God's wildness lies the hope of the world x the great fresh unblighted, unredeemed wilderness. The galling harness of civilization drops off, and wounds heal ere we are aware.
-- John Muir
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American drug war P.O.W.
10/80 - 10/82
Straight South (Sarasota, FL)
Anonymity Anonymous
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Bob, It's funny that you are having this idea of a sort of lodge, or simply just "a place to be." I had a conversation with MG8 a while back, and had said something to him along the same lines. I just kind of mentioned it in passing and then I was like, yeah, that's a nice idea, but how could a thing like that ever be possible..., and that was that. I think it's a great idea. No protest stuff, just a place for us survivors (or whatever we want to call ourselves) to hang out together. A sanctuary of sorts.
Also I wanted to say to PA: I'm sorry about the joking around with the Madman Mundt stuff. Even though I found this to be humorous, it was at your expense...I think we were just trying to lighten things up a little, and I hope that this wasn't taken the wrong way. I definitely have my moments, as I'm sure most of us do. It's all relative. Take care..
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My perspective on PA is that if he would only "work his program" his life would truly turn around for the better. 1st things first, easy does it! Remember to admit your wrongs. And, most importantly, use your awareness that comes from the strength of the program. Remember, you too can be straight (again) Don't take this as a joke people, the steps and others, like the RSA, 3 signs, can be a "powerful" thing PA.
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Brian, shut the fuck up you sadistic, child abusing lunatic!
If we choose to violate the rights of the innocent in order to discover and act against the guilty, then we have transformed our country into a police state and abandoned one of the fundamental tenants of a free society. In order to win the war on drugs, we must not sacrifice the life of the Constitution in the battle.
--US District Judge H. Lee Sarokin
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On 2003-09-13 16:23:00, Froderik13 wrote:
"Bob, It's funny that you are having this idea of a sort of lodge, or simply just "a place to be." I had a conversation with MG8 a while back, and had said something to him along the same lines. I just kind of mentioned it in passing and then I was like, yeah, that's a nice idea, but how could a thing like that ever be possible...,
Well, folks, that's pretty much the primary function of this forum. Or at least that's one of the reasons why I keep it open and uncensored. Why can't we all just get Harleys and hang out in dirty, rough bars like normal shell-shocked former POWs?
What kind of humanism expresses its reluctance to sacrifice military casualties by devastating the civilian economy of its adversary for decades to come?
Henry Kissinger
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I really dont see how prejudice has anything to do with anything. PA seems to be very devout. Sometimes coming down hard on those who dont follow his particular doctrine. I would assume that someone with that amount of faith, someone who felt so strongly everyday about their faith....would be a little less prone to acting out with such voltility. I dont know about you, but after re-reading his post, it is decidedly directed at the people of this board. I dont claim to be a better Christian, or even a Christian at all...or anything better or worse than PA....It just frightens me that in MY experience with devout Christian people, that this sort of violent duality is not uncommon. If this sort of hate and toxicity is what it means to be close to God, well then I am glad I dont chose to beleive as they do. Thats all. It has nothing to do with being black, white, female....or even Texan. It has to do with the fact that he next time PA jumps all over someone about not having faith or love or forgivenss in their heart....that maybe he should reflect on what it is he truly believes, given his recent posting here.
PA has obviously had a rough time of it, I dont dispute that, but perhaps he needs to really grab hold to that faith and love that he seemed to be so strongly adherent to before, you know?
And I am not making a generalization about Christians, everyone is different. I can only speak about what I personally have been confronted with in this arena. My motto is be what you are, if PA is so strong and has such faith, he needs to let it carry him now more than ever. I dont see that happeneing and it makes me feel sympathy towards the people he has so firmly ground down about these very issues. I dont think thats unreasonable.
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Shit aren't there 2 s's in pussy I missed this place I am back online! yeah
First management had plans and then strategic plans. Now we have vision, and we're only one small step from hallucination.
-- Ansley Throckmorton upon assuming the presidency of Bangor Theological Seminary in Bangor, Main per Information World 8-4-`97
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I said this last time...and I'll say it now. Glad to see you back online again, Cady. I love your cynical sense of humor. Please don't take that the wrong way. That's just an impression I get of you I guess...
Take it easy..
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not taken the wrong way at all Alex! So glad to be back. I am happy to see this place so lively.
much love, cadySave our planet; it's the only one with chocolate!
--Andi, domestic goddess
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PA, don't worry about what you read on this site. These people are not well. Remember the love and friendships from straight? remember the happiness that you received from working the steps? Remember the oneness with the group and the ex directors and staff. You can have that again. work the program, admit your powerlessness. You can have ahppiness again. Just let yourself go to theprogam ways. confront yoruself. be a man for once damnit!
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This must be the notorious Preston Kune.....Maybe you have not got the message but your Pro Straight Miller loving cultish opinions are NOT welcomed here!!!!! As previously stated start your own PRO Straight websight where you can worship Miller Newton, Mel Sembler and your self righteous LIP SERVICE!!!! This is a place for healing & like I said before we have suffered ENOUGH emotional,sexual & physical abuse.....If you choose to be an anti social Jim Jones perpetrator do IT SOMEWHERE ELSE!!!! :flame:
What do others think?????? :???:
Nicole
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I say let the fucker be. Maybe he/she will see the light of day. It has happened to others. Maybe this "straightling" will come around (nah, I doubt it though)
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Are ya'll fairly certain this isn't a joke? I mean... come on! If it's not a joke, then I guess I just feel sorry for the poor sap.
Peace and abstinence from European interferences are our objects, and so will continue while the present order of things in America remain uninterrupted.
--Thomas Jefferson
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:idea: as a whole we are actually more advanveced then most other humans on a emotional scale as well as a surviving intelluectuell scaleas well
.you me well be advaanced in one way but not in others which is you down fall
as darwin says idiot
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OOPPS I DID IT AGAIN I PLAYED WITH YOUR HEART , GOT LOST IN THE GAME
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The Fishing Schizo's
That would be a GREAT band name. Hmmm, break out my 12 string Yamaha....
Bob, Marti might be a captain, but I fish without politics or vendettas. Lets go.
I advocated a relaxing fun get together, but others can't get over the anger. Shit happens. We cried, bitched, than adjusted to life.
Ginger, you now know why I ride a motorcycle...
...loudly and quite antisocial at times.
Lets go riding next time u are back down here.
If Powerful attitude IS PK, what a waste.
A South Tampa rich boy, still as spoiled as ever.
When I figured out that I was responsible for bad things happening to me, bad things stopped happening.
Where is your GAWD now? Gee, devotion got you far.
Seek thorazine. Get a fuckin clue. If you talked to her like you talk to us, you deserved to be left.
Better hope her attorney doesnt copy/paste these rants of yours and show them to the court.
Well, Bob, you reminded me of a time, right before straight when my dad and I were fishing Anclote Key. He caught a huge Spotted sea trout, as you noted, one of the prettiest fish around. I saw it gasping in the cooler as he waded back out for more. I released the fish, as it was too majestic and artful to kill. I almost had to swim back to Tarpon Springs that day when my dad got back to the boat.
The Falling Down references are GREAT. I have used the breakfast at 11 line for years when bueracracy rears its head and I want to go off.
Gimme a bazooka baby.
Have a nice day.
Bill
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Well Hot Damn!! It is good to hear from you Bill. Your editing skills are extraordinary. You would make a most excellent critic for either Rolling Stone, or Playboy Magazine. The way you filtered through everything in this topic and came up with your own rather unique synopsis is really great. On the homefront, I have taught Charo how to play basketball with a little toy set that I got her from Big Lots. I also got her a stainless steel Goat Bell on a chain that she enjoys shaking the hell out of. I only knew Preston for a short while in my program, as I was on 4th phase when him and his brother came in. They both had DADDIES BOY FIREBIRDS once they had 7 stepped. I believe one was Metallic Blue and the other Metallic Burgundy and I think Preston had the blue one. Holy Crap! I just remembered another chick from the program. Her name was Kathy Guy and she had a brother named Tim. I think Kathy went out with Pierce, but I am not really sure. Newton had me trespassed from the property November 4th of '81 so it all gets blurry after that. Well anyway, I am gonna try and do more uplifting posts in the future. Thanks for the imput, it was really appreciated by me at least.
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On 2003-09-24 06:26:00, Tampa survivor wrote:
"The Fishing Schizo's
That would be a GREAT band name. Hmmm, break out my 12 string Yamaha....
Bob, Marti might be a captain, but I fish without politics or vendettas. Lets go.
I advocated a relaxing fun get together, but others can't get over the anger. Shit happens. We cried, bitched, than adjusted to life.
Ginger, you now know why I ride a motorcycle...
...loudly and quite antisocial at times.
Lets go riding next time u are back down here.
If Powerful attitude IS PK, what a waste.
A South Tampa rich boy, still as spoiled as ever.
When I figured out that I was responsible for bad things happening to me, bad things stopped happening.
Where is your GAWD now? Gee, devotion got you far.
Seek thorazine. Get a fuckin clue. If you talked to her like you talk to us, you deserved to be left.
Better hope her attorney doesnt copy/paste these rants of yours and show them to the court.
Well, Bob, you reminded me of a time, right before straight when my dad and I were fishing Anclote Key. He caught a huge Spotted sea trout, as you noted, one of the prettiest fish around. I saw it gasping in the cooler as he waded back out for more. I released the fish, as it was too majestic and artful to kill. I almost had to swim back to Tarpon Springs that day when my dad got back to the boat.
The Falling Down references are GREAT. I have used the breakfast at 11 line for years when bueracracy rears its head and I want to go off.
Gimme a bazooka baby.
Have a nice day.
Bill
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Do you really think to give a shit if they hear the way I speak to you or her or anyone. I chew the asses of the hypocrites and the doers of unjustice. Those who feel they can at their own will, those who lie to make war, those who know not how to act or know not what their actions or words do to others. Give me a bazooka so I can shove it up your ass where you like it. Did you love what I shoved down your throat. I see you came back for some more. I'd be glad to give you the feeling again. You talk about my wife as though you know her? You pathetic survivor you don't even know the laws of nature. Be glad I'm not just around the corner for I would surely wisper in your ears as I made you eat the weight of your mouth. I would give you something to remember and stamp my name in your head. Be glad you have 2k miles away from me because it would be your last. Your last time talking about my wife. I can tell by the way you talk you are an adultery you care not nor know not. Evil lives within and the mouh can not help from speaking it. Evil loves its-self. You think you have it, you will have it one day, that day you will be awakened to the fact that you are blackened by your inner thoughts and desires. Do you score on wives, are you the sick fuck those hunt for, they will find you and your days, let's say, nature will take place, population control. Let's talk about what lies beneath your skin. Lies, deceat, immorality, adultery, fucking your best friend over just to get a little ass because you are NOT MAN enough to find it alone. You prey off the weak or the strong in their weakest moments. All for your gain too. It is your game. You have taken some of the tools we all learned and turned them to create abbundance only for your need. You help no-one or nothing- in your mind there is only you-dark isn't it? It is what I see in people that pisses me off , a dark seed among the crowd nipping at the heels of those trying to find the light or little truth that does not exist here. You lAY and wait for the right time to strike, no remorse, no care, just I is all you can hear. So I say let you fall in your time, let the snake have another, I say catch him when he is not aware, let his wife bow down unto other men/s, and for sure let him stumble upon his own traps. Basically, eat the corn out of my shit and die you pathetic fuck and if you want a drink, well, come suckin babe, I got what you need.
You are my example of the fucking weak.
Fuck Straight and all that if formed from the disease. Set yourselves free, understand the truth and where you stand today. Don't dare take my side for the gates of hell will follow to destroy the one who tells truth. Shut him up quick. This is my battle. Just know it in your hearts that I will conquer and shake your hands one-day. Keep your friends close but keep the enemy closer. I'm obviously not far away.
P.A.
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Wow PA, that lovin Christian spirit shines through so brightly.
Tampa survivor talks as if he knows your wife? I'll tell you what, not NEARLY as well as you seem to know HIM, PA. Your diseased rhetoric smacks of anything evil as I have ever come close to. I cant believe you can really espouse what you do and not see that, being the "Onward Christian Soldier" that you are.
PS....to all those ready to pounce me about the Christian thing, save it. I am speaking here not about Christianity, but how PA uses it to twist and burn any true meaning out of the faith. I dont see how anyone here would want this person representing their belief system.
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When you're down in trouble and you need a helping hand, and nothing oh nothing is going right.....
Close your eyes, think of Dawn DeShawn, and soon you'll lose your mind, and have a Nursie pump you full of Haldol every night.......
You just call out my name and you know wherever I am I'll crank up my tunes louder, to drown out your cries.......
Winter, Spring, Summer or Fall, all you have to do is call, we'll still be here...........
CUZ YOU GOT A PROBLEM! aint it good to know that YOU GOT A PROBLEM? ::bangin:: :silly: :silly:
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Beautifully put...I don't think anyone can outdo that one...
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now that is the tune I wish we sang in straight...it would have been beautifully honest!
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I usually don't fuck with the weak but in your case I believe I will have to make an exception, freak. Obviously the post was not the correct one. I was talking to the fuck who keeps talking as my family counselor. Shove it up your ass. Now, Carmel fuck, am I talking of Chritianity, or am I talking about you sick fuck. The demons cry out of you so It must apply. Duh. Keep licking and I will keep sticking, sticking it in your face, you like the taste, because it is in you Carmel. There is a time when you are surrounded by the enemy, start kicking, give them a taste, find those you can trust, fuck the rest, lead the best. I will leave it short, don't like beating the women and children, but sometimes they don't know when. Are you sure you have all your apple's Carmel. Keep dunking I'll be sure to stick one.
P.A.
On 2003-10-13 07:42:00, Carmel wrote:
"Wow PA, that lovin Christian spirit shines through so brightly.
Tampa survivor talks as if he knows your wife? I'll tell you what, not NEARLY as well as you seem to know HIM, PA. Your diseased rhetoric smacks of anything evil as I have ever come close to. I cant believe you can really espouse what you do and not see that, being the "Onward Christian Soldier" that you are.
PS....to all those ready to pounce me about the Christian thing, save it. I am speaking here not about Christianity, but how PA uses it to twist and burn any true meaning out of the faith. I dont see how anyone here would want this person representing their belief system.
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That may very well be the most profound thing anyone has ever said to me. :nworthy:
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PA get a life. Your boring wordplay is tiresome. Of course your not beating the wife and kids now, they left your ass. Grow up and spend more time worrying about your life...not ours. Oh yeah how arrogant that you feel your verbal attacks make anyone feel "surrounded by the enemy." What you should do is go find some gothic loser friends and you guys could spend the day amazing each other with poems about demons, making the weak bow down in front of you and scary dark places in your minds...Cause the rest of us aren't impressed or interested. But hey look on the bright side most cities have venues for people like you (mostly coffee shops) and the best part employment not required.
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Say it with me... P-S-Y-C-H-I-A-T-R-I-S-T.
I'm telling you this as a friend PA. I've been as angry as you, it's miserable & lonely. Find peace with yourself. Get help. Weakness is when you have no control over your impulses. You have been saying crazy/mean things for a long while now and it's not paying off or freeing your spirit is it? Take control of your happiness and get yourself the help you deserve. God only works for you if you work with him.
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Okay, I know Ive been gone a while from daily posting, but I gotta keep an eye out for the fearsome and demon slaying anonomous & PA poster peoples. I shake as I pick through shit for corn!!!
Well, I see someone has popped a cog in the gearworks.
Go jump off the skyway looser. Need a ride? Nah, why pollute the local waterways.
I again advise psycotropic drugs and a good DR. Or a cage....
This guy is fun.
Ladies, do you see your kinda man here??
Bye Slime weasel
Bill
Lead guitarist for
THE FISHING SCHIZOS
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I agree, I can just see it now, an 8th grade Marine Biology field trip out at Maximo Park. What do we have here class? That thing floating in the water is a perfect specimen of Tampa Elitis Maximus Self Hatredus Preston Imbicilucus Splatterus! Notice the Crocodile emblem on what is left of the Izod shirt that the specimen was wearing, and the shattered crystal on the Rolex watch...........hmmm he must have hit the water at a usual rate of 71 miles per hour due to terminal velocity achieved at approximately 121 feet of the 217 feet from the top of the span. Since he entered the water feet first, he did leave a rather good looking corpse for the morticians to work with. Lets all gather hands and sing............."It only takes a spark, to keep the fire going".............Forgive me Lord, for I am truly a Jerk.
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H MI GOD I AM ROLLING AROUND< SQUIRMING AND HORKING BEEF JERKY AND BEER AT MY MONITOR>
Bob, you are a genius.
That latin was TOPS!!!
Bill
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I thought it was 121 mph at 71 feet..
...hmmm, any of the engineery/physics educated folks wish to weigh in on the highlights of accelerating and taking a final flight with the pelicans?
What exactly happens when a depressed individual weighing 200 pounds lands on a blackfin shark at a jillion feet per second. Is it better or worse to land on a jellyfish or a phosphate freighter?
Hmm, my mind is odd tonight...
Toodles,
Capn Bill
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Why don't we try and keep the suicide encouragement off the boards, ay fellas? Yes, you may just be joking, but it's mean and you're just egging things on. I personally don't think it's funny. The Latin lingo was a cleaver touch, but just cut it out. The guy is obviously hurting and acting out like an angry child because of his pain. It's not acceptable, but neither are your comments. Fucking chill, please. :grin:
The last struggles of a great superstition are very frequently the worst.
--Andrew Dickson
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If you don't mind/Why don't you mind?
Where is you sence of indignation?
- Stephin Merritt
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Back before Halloween I actually typed an apology because my comments had offended a friend. Well guess what? I have nothing to be sorry for. I am not an elitist asshole daddie's boy that got everything handed to him on a silver platter. I don't use this forum as a goddamn sparring partner that I can get into the ring and beat the living shit out of every time I feel inadequate as a man. Preston Kune is a waste of our planets resources right here, right now, plain and simple.
I am not here to be his friend or try to understand him, because I already do. I came to this understanding long ago and practice the steps of my understanding. In my understanding, a Louisville Slugger resting against the jam of the front door of my home is all the conversation tool that I need for people like him. What separates the WEAKNESS of mere North Carolina Ash and the GOD ALMIGHTY HARDNESS of his thick skull, is the skill, power, and RIGHTEOUSNESS behind my fucking swing. So if anyone wants to fall into the old "Hey How 'Bout a Song?" bullshit mentality that was pumped into us to avoid serious confrontations and unpleasantness at all costs, then don't call yourself my friend. I don't need friends that run from the truth so that nothing can "harsh their buzz."
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A little creative writting by BOB and BILL can be fun. Just trying to lighten a post where a NUTBALL has threatened, ranted, libeled, slandered all IN THE NAME OF JESUS.
Or wifebeating....
OR ...
Now, I am no advocate of suicide unless ones body has failed and depression is not the driving reason.
I hope PA chills and finds hapiness.
Help is available, and he KNOWS IT.
Just gotta ask.
Meanwhile, I still want to know the comparitive merits of landing on a jellyfish, phosphate freighter or Blackfin shark....
I cant help it.
My macaw made me do it. His spirit is strong,
and my will is weak.
Bill
PS Hi Charro from King Golden Birdy
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It is amazing that you would call someone a nutball and cite that he has threatened, ranted, libeled, and slandered in the name of Jesus, and yet, when your compatriots did the EXACT SAME thing to numerable survivors all in the name of PROPAGANDA to further their twisted cause, that was somehow acceptable to you, so much so, that you jumped in on the bandwagon, not even knowing the whole story.
And yet, here you are again, attacking someone without knowing why this person is so angry, or even, who in the hell they are.
This is only my opinion, Bill, but I think that if anyone should go get help, it should be you! Taking delight in attacking people of another faith is akin to attacking homosexuals, or druggies, or whatever is "different" than you. How cult-mentality of you. How special! I'm sure you do your "I'm superior" dance every morning, don't you?
Get help, Bill, it's available for you too. All you have to do is ask! :tup:
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That which does not kill you can make you stronger, but I really never needed to be this strong.
Scott Wagner
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This is not intended as a jab. Just thought you might want to know you've got some cultspeak in your vocabulary.
Main Entry: nu·mer·a·ble
Pronunciation: 'nüm-r&-b&l, 'nü-m&-; 'nyüm-, 'nyü-m&-
Function: adjective
Etymology: Latin numerabilis, from numerare to count
Date: 1570
: capable of being counted
Seedlings and Straightlings use it to mean numerous,
Main Entry: nu·mer·ous
Pronunciation: 'nüm-r&s, 'nü-m&-; 'nyüm-, 'nyü-m&-
Function: adjective
Etymology: Middle English, from Middle French numereux, from Latin numerosus, from numerus
Date: 15th century
: consisting of great numbers of units or individuals ; also : MANY
- nu·mer·ous·ly adverb
- nu·mer·ous·ness noun
Same thing for "all intensive purposes" (All intents and purposes!) and clicking (No, cliquing!)
There are others. But you can almost spot a closet program vet dead to rights if you notice these linguistic errors.
The world is so exquisite, with so much love and moral depth, that there is no reason to deceive ourselves with pretty stories for which there's no good evidence. Far better, it seems to me, to look death in the eye and to be grateful every day for the brief but magnificent opportunity that life provides.
--Carl Sagan
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:nworthy: :nworthy: :nworthy:
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hehe..
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If your wife left you over message board heresay..shes probably a fucking cunt and you dont need her.
Find another one..theres only about 5 billion women
walking around..jesus.
Also Im glad you hate me. I thrive on it.
Have a nice fucking day :wave:
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Thanks to yOu. My wife has decided that I am one of you and is divorcing me because of you pathetic motherfuckers. You tell me I have problems. You wallow in your own shit making excuses so you don't have to take responsability for YOURSELVES. I CALL THAT BEING A FUCKING PUSY. To my much despise that I have for you already, I get to hear her call me psycho from Straight, Controller, I restrained her, I'm an Addict. You fucking weak bastards need to mind to your own affairs and leave the ones that stand alone, alone. I will hate ya'll forever like I always have. You are no better than the group, you are the fucking group, the cult, the one's that have separated my wife and I. Is that not what the seed and straight did? Fuckers. Keep crying and I will keep bashing your cultic fucking brains in. Ya'll have brain washed my wife, She wants nothing to do with me as she yells straight driving away in another mans car with my children, surely, I pray for you to pay the consequences of your actions, surely you are the weak and for me the despised. Ya'll definitely are the Sick. Cry, Cry, Cry. You fucking make me sick. Talk to some others about being a skitz, surely you must pay. Pay the price pound for pound. Can you assholes bring me back my children and wife? I mean you have done such a great job. The one with 12 years, you�re a goddamn pro. You fucking bitch, and the rest of you may die. Feel Free. ANYTIME, DIE. Bring it on you fucking bastards; I'm ready this time. I hate. Jenn if you reply I will chomp and devour and spit you out like the rest. Bring it on FUCK HEADS. :rofl:
P.A.
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I am looking for someone who can put me in my place, someone who can beat me down. I say and I do when the time is needed, I will not fail nor loose because of a fucking excuse such as straight. Straight will die and the demons that follow, they shall chew the flesh of those who inflicted the innocent. There are none who stick to their word and there are none who do as they say they will. Nor are there any who will die for the sake. I myself lay my life down for my brother at will, I do not, I hear not, nor will I speak if it is needed. I will give you my all, and as I have watched my brothers and sisters run as I lay my life down for the cause. Not sometimes but always. I began a new carrier the time ya'll began your personal attack, I didn't really care. It was a time, that moment I look for when that little door is opened that one must enter before it shuts, the one that separates you from the rest, a door that may never be seen again and not seen by those who look not. Within three months I had designed, improved, and accomplished 650k worth of remodeling contracts that would provide for my wife who thought all I did for 18 hours a day was cheat on her. Fuck her and the group that led her while I was gone. We will all pay the price for being false-prophets; don't think we are excluded do you. You are what you are and shall surely pay the price. There shall be wailing and gnashing of teeth. My JV felt it necessary to fuck me out of all my monies. He will be dealt with in my way, harms fucking way that is. As I return my wife tells me after I smell the rotten stench of deceit lingering in the halls, all things had changed and I knew she was dead to me, she now knew were my heart was, money, damn she knew me well, well enough to hit me when I'm looking for her and family the most. But she also reminded me of the wonderful life I was taught by Straight. Surely I hate. Then to top it off my friends managed to get 3,000.00 more from the weak soul that I had become. I tell you not for any correction nor do I look for advice. All that shit is gone. 150k + 3 family members taken away, and two that I will never see again. All in a blink of an eye, and all friends have become not, like I said I lay down my life. I am here to win it back because I am back trusting none as a shred you Fuckers apart nor will I settle for less. False Prophets listen to my speech you preach but with the words of deceit. Destroyers know that my sites are on you; you shall surely sink, to the depths of your own deceit. Tell me your sorry, as I piss on you in a time of need nor would I reach to keep you from harm. Deceivers now my speech is to you, you will fall in your time of need, and I will smile at your falling. You are not like me nor will you recover, as I will. For I have already laid my life down for the cause nor will I sway from the path that has been chosen for me. I live on. None shall enter, none shall pass, and none shall cause me to stumble. All that get in my way will remember my name. All will pass destroyed and broken. No longer do I trust, no longer do I walk together, no longer will I be like any other. Hey, Familiar FUCK, come lick what you love the most, come eat what I shove down your throat, cum suck what I want you to feel alive. I despise your riddle of lies. I speak the words that no-one else dare speak, I stand up to those who nobody else does, I tread all those that dish out, I create new paths that no-one seeks nor do they look my way, I see what others do not, I live for one more day, I give to those who ask not, I look for the light in obscure places, I take it to the line, I look at you I to I, I feel no remorse because you and I know what you have donefrom before. I will not wait, I shall not bow down, I will never give in, I will get beaten but know I always return better, stronger, wiser, and with a new life I begin. I win. I think like no other, I am my own and I only follow one. I pray he put me on the line, he test me for what I speak, do not let me slide, that is for the weak, give to me as I deserve, burn me when I'm in the way , come strive with me, take me to the top only if I deserve, listen not to those that speak what they know not, keep me from the false prophets of light, let me not speak as they, let me not act as they do, let me know what I see not, show me the enemy as I divide them in two, I tread upon those you choose, I lead not astray , I'm the man looking the other way, not your way, nor your will, nor your heart, nor what lies deep beneath your skin. When we meet you will never forget what I am nor will you forget my WAY. They came to take me away, they came to knock me off my feet, they came to bury me in their deceit, they came again when I was most weak, they know not what I have inside, nor what it speak. She came for me in my sleep, she had my heart but she was full of deceit, she brought me to my knees, she lied as she cried, she planned his defeat, get him when he's weak, she left him no more to speak, she left him for her deceit, she tried to take his life, but he took all they could give, no more they thought he lived. He walks on to defeat, he faces all that he meets, he takes what he earns, and feeds who he leads. Alone he has conquered those that went for his defeat. Now he stands at their feet, now he sees their defeat, straight fucking ahead he's coming today to look at you straight in your face, He's come for you today, at your disgrace, he will find you today, and he will spit in your face as he moves along at his own pace. Watch out he's in your face, ready to beat you down into your place.
P.A.
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Hard to believe it has been over three years since I took my children and left PA. I have to say it was the hardest thing I have ever done.
One evening, sometime in March 2003, I was doing a bible study called "Making Peace With Your Past". I was really into in. I was really into bible studies in general at that time... I couldn't figure out why my marriage was so terrible, and I thought surely it was me and I could use God's help to figure me out... My husband, Powerful Attitude, was sitting on the couch (which is where he sat when he was home, which was not very often at that time). Week 4 was titled: Uncovering Hidden Memories. I was searching the bible, praying, reading.... When I was done, I hopped on the computer and started googling. Just goolging whatever came to mind. Then I had a brilliant idea, "Hey, Marc, what was the name of that treatment center that your parents put you in when you were younger?" His reply, "Straight. Straight Incorporated." I googled it.
Sometimes I wish I never asked. Sometimes I am glad I did. Either way, what happened the next 4 months of my life was unbelievable. Unbearable.
We checked out a few websites. I sat with him and listened for 4 days straight (no pun intended) with little to no rest, as he remembered. Story after story, memory after memory. To say the very least, I was FREAKED OUT! I pleaded that he talk to someone, anyone. His mom, his dad, a professional. He quit his job as a Real Estate Investment Analyst. He tried to tell his parents, and they would not hear of it. I still (to this day) can not get them to even visit a straight website. He was only 14. Makes me sick to think of it, even now.
I did try hard to encourage him to see someone. I knew that my listening would not be enough. This was HUGE. I was borderline addicted to this site. He had started posting things, and I was so interested in him healing that I thought it would help. I pleaded for him to do something.
He had been verbally abusive pretty much since we got pregnant. It was nothing to what was happening now. He talked for hours and hours about raps and brainwashing and crazy distortions of the bible. He began yelling at me, sometimes for hours. I would lay on the floor in a ball, crying, begging him to stop. He would call me names, accuse me of things that were not true. The children were earshot away. I did not know what to do with the pain. Who could I tell and what would I say? My husband remembered something terrible, and now he yells at me day and night. Sometimes wakes me from sleeping at 3 in the morning by pulling the covers off and throwing papers of me that he has printed that he says is "PROOF" of an online affair. All I wanted was help. Any help. Never in my life had I ever done this, but when the screaming and yelling reached a certain inexplicible point, I began using my fingernails to cut myself. All over. I look back now, and it is so confusing, yet it was real, POWERFULLY real.
June-ish, the yelling turned to my daughter. I quickly jumped to her defense. After he yelled at me for an hour or so, I found her in her room hiding under her desk. Unacceptable. I began to pack. He told the three of us to get the fu*k out. I drove for hours trying to pull myself together and figure out where to go. I was so ashamed. We hid for the next several months, he always found us. I was fired from my new job because he would come and pace around outside.
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I am writing this, because at that time, you guys were very important to me. Though I did not make contact, I hoped somehow you could help me ~ help us. I hurt so badly for what happened to him, and I hurt so badly for what happened to each of you. I wish you all goodness, whatever that is for you.
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Father's Day was last weekend. I can't help to think of Powerful Attitude. I loved him, and I wanted to be there when he made it through all of the "Hidden Memories". I was not as powerful, just powerful enough to leave.
I look back at these posts when he was raving and wow. Just to clarify, he was on drugs at that time, I suspect speed. He has not seen the kids in over a year and a half. He has not held down a "real" job. He has not been well. It was me who asked him what the name of that place was.
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Not sure what made me get on this website tonight, but here I am. During that time, there are several of you that I wanted to find. I wanted to call you and tell you what was happening in my home. I wanted someone to understand (or try to understand). I wanted someone to make me laugh. (Some of you guys would crack me up, even if it was about my husband.) I never spoke to you then, but you were my friends.
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I'm so sorry to hear your family went through that.........more victims of straight....it was so horrible and your left with so much rage after the program you dont know what to do?????definetly not drugs..it only makes it worse...for me I have had to learn a little bit at a time of what happened to me...I was in a second gen. straight in late eighties...I had never done drugs or commited a crime...just didnt like my new step-monster..I was 15....and it is hard...I yell at my husband some times and I have little patience w/ my small children some times....but I try to recognize it is my PTSD and I have to manage it for my family...and I do I take anti-depressants...I wish I didnt have to but I do and it helps...I wont talk to anyone b/c I dont think that would help ...how could anyone know what we went through except survivors...so I post here and read and get informed other ways....it is not your fault you googled straight...it was a chance to start healing...but its darkest before dawn...I hope your husband finds some peace and you and your children do as well...I'll be praying for the best for you all....
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One thing is certain,insanity doesn't come in any one shape or size.These blogs helped me realize just how nuts those times were for me.Let me explain once more,Str8 for me was preferable to the home I was staying at 60 miles up the road.I never realized how bad it was for me back then except to realize that I preferred Str8 to that.The mentioning of those words makes some people think that I'm still nuts.Woof says I explained the rules to him in such a way as that it was essential to our survival to conform I was not an 85DJ.I was only a 60DJ.Like the chimney at Auschwitz,I realized that the only way out of Str8 was through those doors with staffs blessings,not an easy or clearly defined goal to attain.Father's day for me was hard to celebrate with my great kids when all my still repressed rage at my father kept creeping up.85 DJ says I was kind of a conformist at that time.My question was ¨What were my other options?¨.As far as P.A. goes,if his wife left with their 3 kids,how can anybody but him be responsible?No mother of 3 leaves the father of her kids unless all other options are exhausted,or a very rich guy takes them away to Fantasyland,whichever comes first.
Pura Vida,
Sam
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just like jail is sometimes preferable to the homeless or such....at least they get a roof and food.......I'm sorry your dad was no good Sam and I wish for you and your family PEACE..........
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Hard to believe it has been over three years since I took my children and left PA. I have to say it was the hardest thing I have ever done.
One evening, sometime in March 2003, I was doing a bible study called "Making Peace With Your Past". I was really into in. I was really into bible studies in general at that time... I couldn't figure out why my marriage was so terrible, and I thought surely it was me and I could use God's help to figure me out... My husband, Powerful Attitude, was sitting on the couch (which is where he sat when he was home, which was not very often at that time). Week 4 was titled: Uncovering Hidden Memories. I was searching the bible, praying, reading.... When I was done, I hopped on the computer and started googling. Just goolging whatever came to mind. Then I had a brilliant idea, "Hey, Marc, what was the name of that treatment center that your parents put you in when you were younger?" His reply, "Straight. Straight Incorporated." I googled it.
Sometimes I wish I never asked. Sometimes I am glad I did. Either way, what happened the next 4 months of my life was unbelievable. Unbearable.
We checked out a few websites. I sat with him and listened for 4 days straight (no pun intended) with little to no rest, as he remembered. Story after story, memory after memory. To say the very least, I was FREAKED OUT! I pleaded that he talk to someone, anyone. His mom, his dad, a professional. He quit his job as a Real Estate Investment Analyst. He tried to tell his parents, and they would not hear of it. I still (to this day) can not get them to even visit a straight website. He was only 14. Makes me sick to think of it, even now.
I did try hard to encourage him to see someone. I knew that my listening would not be enough. This was HUGE. I was borderline addicted to this site. He had started posting things, and I was so interested in him healing that I thought it would help. I pleaded for him to do something.
He had been verbally abusive pretty much since we got pregnant. It was nothing to what was happening now. He talked for hours and hours about raps and brainwashing and crazy distortions of the bible. He began yelling at me, sometimes for hours. I would lay on the floor in a ball, crying, begging him to stop. He would call me names, accuse me of things that were not true. The children were earshot away. I did not know what to do with the pain. Who could I tell and what would I say? My husband remembered something terrible, and now he yells at me day and night. Sometimes wakes me from sleeping at 3 in the morning by pulling the covers off and throwing papers of me that he has printed that he says is "PROOF" of an online affair. All I wanted was help. Any help. Never in my life had I ever done this, but when the screaming and yelling reached a certain inexplicible point, I began using my fingernails to cut myself. All over. I look back now, and it is so confusing, yet it was real, POWERFULLY real.
June-ish, the yelling turned to my daughter. I quickly jumped to her defense. After he yelled at me for an hour or so, I found her in her room hiding under her desk. Unacceptable. I began to pack. He told the three of us to get the fu*k out. I drove for hours trying to pull myself together and figure out where to go. I was so ashamed. We hid for the next several months, he always found us. I was fired from my new job because he would come and pace around outside.
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I am writing this, because at that time, you guys were very important to me. Though I did not make contact, I hoped somehow you could help me ~ help us. I hurt so badly for what happened to him, and I hurt so badly for what happened to each of you. I wish you all goodness, whatever that is for you.
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Father's Day was last weekend. I can't help to think of Powerful Attitude. I loved him, and I wanted to be there when he made it through all of the "Hidden Memories". I was not as powerful, just powerful enough to leave.
I look back at these posts when he was raving and wow. Just to clarify, he was on drugs at that time, I suspect speed. He has not seen the kids in over a year and a half. He has not held down a "real" job. He has not been well. It was me who asked him what the name of that place was.
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Not sure what made me get on this website tonight, but here I am. During that time, there are several of you that I wanted to find. I wanted to call you and tell you what was happening in my home. I wanted someone to understand (or try to understand). I wanted someone to make me laugh. (Some of you guys would crack me up, even if it was about my husband.) I never spoke to you then, but you were my friends.
One thing you probably should keep in mind is that it is ever so easy for program vets to use their experience as an excuse for their pathetic shortcomings in life. Yes, it sucked, yes I have friends today that are dead because of it, yes it has caused long term effects in many of us, myself included. However, there are also a great many people that have risen above what happened to them 20-30 years ago and have done very well in life, including assuming the role of a decent husband and father. There are millions of people in the world that have experienced trauma in one shape, form, or another including POWs, holocaust victims, etc. that do not use their experience as a scapegoat to justify failure or misfortune in life. When you say "I hurt so badly for what happened to each of you" I want to stop you in your tracks. Please don't "hurt" for me, your pain would be much worse than that of my own. I experienced what I did and I try each and every day to move on and away from it rather than sensationalize what a travisty it all was. It was a long time ago in a galaxy far away. Personally speaking, admittedly it is always with me, but I have the control. I am not "powerless" over my program experience. I have a life to live and am much more than a heap of broken remnants from yesteryear.
Sounds like you may of done the right thing by packing your bags. Maybe he needs some time to figure things out. All this straight related internet stuff can be quite overwhelming at first. My experience is not subject for discussion with my own spouse. My spouse wasn't there and I could explain all day long and print volumes from the internet but my spouse would never fully comprehend or understand. My spouse doesn't need to understand the details of my experience and it's not my job to force her to try to understand. That is the epitome of futility.
If you are in Bible study and your husband is on speed, maybe there is someone else that may really take time to consider you and your children. Maybe someone that wouldn't be abusive nor preoccupied with yesterday's misfortune. Then again, I am not Dear Abby nor Dr. Phil and cannot begin to have any answers.
I wish you and your children goodness, what ever that means to you. I also wish resolve and direction for your husband.
I know many post will follow mine that will shred my words to you here, and that is ok. These are my thoughts on the matter. I haven't the need to cater to the masses. I left that behind in the program.
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One thing you probably should keep in mind is that it is ever so easy for program vets to use their experience as an excuse for their pathetic shortcomings in life. Yes, it sucked, yes I have friends today that are dead because of it, yes it has caused long term effects in many of us, myself included. However, there are also a great many people that have risen above what happened to them 20-30 years ago and have done very well in life, including assuming the role of a decent husband and father. There are millions of people in the world that have experienced trauma in one shape, form, or another including POWs, holocaust victims, etc. that do not use their experience as a scapegoat to justify failure or misfortune in life. When you say "I hurt so badly for what happened to each of you" I want to stop you in your tracks. Please don't "hurt" for me, your pain would be much worse than that of my own. I experienced what I did and I try each and every day to move on and away from it rather than sensationalize what a travisty it all was. It was a long time ago in a galaxy far away. Personally speaking, admittedly it is always with me, but I have the control. I am not "powerless" over my program experience. I have a life to live and am much more than a heap of broken remnants from yesteryear.
Sounds like you may of done the right thing by packing your bags. Maybe he needs some time to figure things out. All this straight related internet stuff can be quite overwhelming at first. My experience is not subject for discussion with my own spouse. My spouse wasn't there and I could explain all day long and print volumes from the internet but my spouse would never fully comprehend or understand. My spouse doesn't need to understand the details of my experience and it's not my job to force her to try to understand. That is the epitome of futility.
If you are in Bible study and your husband is on speed, maybe there is someone else that may really take time to consider you and your children. Maybe someone that wouldn't be abusive nor preoccupied with yesterday's misfortune. Then again, I am not Dear Abby nor Dr. Phil and cannot begin to have any answers.
I wish you and your children goodness, what ever that means to you. I also wish resolve and direction for your husband.
I know many post will follow mine that will shred my words to you here, and that is ok. These are my thoughts on the matter. I haven't the need to cater to the masses. I left that behind in the program.
I think this post was great and can't really see anyone here tearing it apart, but then there are those few...
I wish you all the best in your life and hope that you and your children can get passed what you've been thru with your husband.
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I have also not told my husband I was in a program....it would be pointless... it is my responsibility to educate myself and heal so I can be healthy for my family....no one elses...it is not easy and more info needs to be 'out there' for sure....more real and true advocating for teens for their human rights and dignity.....
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...Human rights and dignity...
...as if we weren't human.
Namaste.
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programs treat you as if you are not human and they erode your dignity.....clear enough now??? if teenager werent such a bad word and a teenager/child had 'power' and 'rights'...this would not go on...society is not educated on this stage of development........
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That was a statement, not a question. I was reflecting on your words and agreeing with you.
Yes, it's always been quite clear.
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sorry...always so defensive.....I think I always have to fight... that I'm not allowed my free speech.......I still feel paranoid after 20 yrs out of straight.....I still feel somehow I have no rights.....I want so bad to not regress to that place of complete isolation and lack of freedoms....I am an adult now with very adult resposibilities....whats up???????
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also in US we had animal rights before we had children rights...we as a society treat pets better than people especially children
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One thing you probably should keep in mind is that it is ever so easy for program vets to use their experience as an excuse for their pathetic shortcomings in life. Yes, it sucked, yes I have friends today that are dead because of it, yes it has caused long term effects in many of us, myself included. However, there are also a great many people that have risen above what happened to them 20-30 years ago and have done very well in life, including assuming the role of a decent husband and father. There are millions of people in the world that have experienced trauma in one shape, form, or another including POWs, holocaust victims, etc. that do not use their experience as a scapegoat to justify failure or misfortune in life.
And there are MILLIONS who don't rise up because they CANT. you act as if its a fucking choice!
So therefore, because your brain works in a way where it allowed you to move on, because you didn't suffer as badly long term and were ABLE To , this somehow makes YOU a Good or better person then someone, who Might have say been chemically imbalanced or just couldn't handle it? Because after all everything is equal right? we are all on a level playing field right? How ludacris. I wouldn't BEGIN to judge ONE MANS journey by my own accomplishments or anyone else. How extremely ignorant and unfair of YOU!
I guess those who are dead, those Who killed themselves, just weren't GOOD enough, better off without them we must be! Maybe one day you will wake up and realize the mind is a very fragile thing, and while some can EASILY bounce back some NEVER will and its NOT ALWAYS a choice my friend. Everyone is doing what they can do get by and it's so much easier when you have support instead of judgment. SO you left it behind. WOO FUCKIN HOO! Good job! Everyone else SUCKS! I'll pass that shit on to my dead brother. mm k.
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also in US we had animal rights before we had children rights...we as a society treat pets better than people especially children
yep! absofuckinglutely!
prisoners of war have more rights, well they used to until we started abusing them the same way they do to kids in certain rehabs.... :o :o :o
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I think this post was great and can't really see anyone here tearing it apart, but then there are those few...
I wish you all the best in your life and hope that you and your children can get passed what you've been thru with your husband.
Oh i found a few bull shit things to tear apart.
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I think this post was great and can't really see anyone here tearing it apart, but then there are those few...
I wish you all the best in your life and hope that you and your children can get passed what you've been thru with your husband.
Oh i found a few bull shit things to tear apart.
What happened to the " peace and enlightenment" post that followed this one, as well as the reply?
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What do you mean what happened to them?
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thanks for your post guest bunny...i thought it was my fault all over again after reading the post about moving on and everyone having been through trama....
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One thing you probably should keep in mind is that it is ever so easy for program vets to use their experience as an excuse for their pathetic shortcomings in life. Yes, it sucked, yes I have friends today that are dead because of it, yes it has caused long term effects in many of us, myself included. However, there are also a great many people that have risen above what happened to them 20-30 years ago and have done very well in life, including assuming the role of a decent husband and father. There are millions of people in the world that have experienced trauma in one shape, form, or another including POWs, holocaust victims, etc. that do not use their experience as a scapegoat to justify failure or misfortune in life.
And there are MILLIONS who don't rise up because they CANT. you act as if its a fucking choice!
So therefore, because your brain works in a way where it allowed you to move on, because you didn't suffer as badly long term and were ABLE To , this somehow makes YOU a Good or better person then someone, who Might have say been chemically imbalanced or just couldn't handle it? Because after all everything is equal right? we are all on a level playing field right? How ludacris. I wouldn't BEGIN to judge ONE MANS journey by my own accomplishments or anyone else. How extremely ignorant and unfair of YOU!
I guess those who are dead, those Who killed themselves, just weren't GOOD enough, better off without them we must be! Maybe one day you will wake up and realize the mind is a very fragile thing, and while some can EASILY bounce back some NEVER will and its NOT ALWAYS a choice my friend. Everyone is doing what they can do get by and it's so much easier when you have support instead of judgment. SO you left it behind. WOO FUCKIN HOO! Good job! Everyone else SUCKS! I'll pass that shit on to my dead brother. mm k.
Guest Bunny (I can't type that with a straight face) If you want to shred what I have to say to this wife and mother experiencing turbulent times go ahead, I knew you would. Shame you have nothing to offer, I'm one up on you already.
You say
there are MILLIONS who don't rise up because they CANT
"Can't" rise up? Y'see, you wacky wabbit, that is where we differ. I spent many many years of my life listening to what others tell me I can't do. "Can't" is a word that is long since gone from my vocabulary and is not an excuse for the manner in which I choose to live. That's right bunny-ol-buddy, for me it is a choice. A choice that I make each and every day. I have too many friends from the program that have chosen to die, contrarily I have chosen to live. I live each and every day and I do so freely. I am not dead, nor insane, nor in jail. The program was wrong. The choices I make keep me alive, sane, free, and happy.
You say:
So therefore, because your brain works in a way where it allowed you to move on
Look 'Hare' bunny--My brain is no different than yours or anyone else. The decisions I make sound to be vastly different from some though. I do not say that with any condescension. We make different decisions on a daily basis. I may order a Chimay and you may order a Budweiser does that mean I am "better" in any regard, not at all. We all make different decisions. Plain and simple. Some choose to take their own life, I choose to live.
I like to think that I haven't surrendered, forfeited, nor traded my own personal responsibility for any excuses which scapegoat the program for my shortcomings in life. I have met those that stub their toe and curse STRAIGHT for the fact that if they weren't stuck in group all those years that they would have been walking around in the free world. Therefore naturally they would have had more experience with walking and of course wouldn't have stubbed their toe. Damn that STRAIGHT!! Bullshit!!
You say:
because you didn't suffer as badly long term
C'mon funny bunny, keep it real. You have no idea who I am, how long I was there, nor what I suffered. The fact that my words are not that of some wretched shell shocked remnant of a person because of my experience in the program has nothing to do with my tenure there or the fact that it was less tramautic for me than it was for anyone else.
You say:
I wouldn't BEGIN to judge ONE MANS journey by my own accomplishments or anyone else.
You talking shit to me here doesn't exactly sound to be fair and impartial. Granted my journey is a complicated one (as is all of ours), but it is one that has transformed my own bleeding wounds to less prominant permanent and indelible scars that will never heal. However it has allowed me to carry on living my life in my own way.
Allow me to firmly correct you, I didn't leave it all behind. I will always have the scars of my experience and of loved ones I lost.
In closing Guest Bunny, I am not judging anyone for anything. I was simply typing my two cents for someone that might read it and might not. I didn't mean for it sound like I am some enlightened buddha on a mountain with all the answers. I'm not.[/quote]
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One thing you probably should keep in mind is that it is ever so easy for program vets to use their experience as an excuse for their pathetic shortcomings in life. Yes, it sucked, yes I have friends today that are dead because of it, yes it has caused long term effects in many of us, myself included. However, there are also a great many people that have risen above what happened to them 20-30 years ago and have done very well in life, including assuming the role of a decent husband and father. There are millions of people in the world that have experienced trauma in one shape, form, or another including POWs, holocaust victims, etc. that do not use their experience as a scapegoat to justify failure or misfortune in life.
And there are MILLIONS who don't rise up because they CANT. you act as if its a fucking choice!
So therefore, because your brain works in a way where it allowed you to move on, because you didn't suffer as badly long term and were ABLE To , this somehow makes YOU a Good or better person then someone, who Might have say been chemically imbalanced or just couldn't handle it? Because after all everything is equal right? we are all on a level playing field right? How ludacris. I wouldn't BEGIN to judge ONE MANS journey by my own accomplishments or anyone else. How extremely ignorant and unfair of YOU!
I guess those who are dead, those Who killed themselves, just weren't GOOD enough, better off without them we must be! Maybe one day you will wake up and realize the mind is a very fragile thing, and while some can EASILY bounce back some NEVER will and its NOT ALWAYS a choice my friend. Everyone is doing what they can do get by and it's so much easier when you have support instead of judgment. SO you left it behind. WOO FUCKIN HOO! Good job! Everyone else SUCKS! I'll pass that shit on to my dead brother. mm k.
Guest Bunny (I can't type that with a straight face) If you want to shred what I have to say to this wife and mother experiencing turbulent times go ahead, I knew you would. Shame you have nothing to offer, I'm one up on you already.
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there are MILLIONS who don't rise up because they CANT
"Can't" rise up? Y'see, you wacky wabbit, that is where we differ. I spent many many years of my life listening to what others tell me I can't do. "Can't" is a word that is long since gone from my vocabulary and is not an excuse for the manner in which I choose to live. That's right bunny-ol-buddy, for me it is a choice. A choice that I make each and every day. I have too many friends from the program that have chosen to die, contrarily I have chosen to live. I live each and every day and I do so freely. I am not dead, nor insane, nor in jail. The program was wrong. The choices I make keep me alive, sane, free, and happy.
You say:
So therefore, because your brain works in a way where it allowed you to move on
Look 'Hare' bunny--My brain is no different than yours or anyone else. The decisions I make sound to be vastly different from some though. I do not say that with any condescension. We make different decisions on a daily basis. I may order a Chimay and you may order a Budweiser does that mean I am "better" in any regard, not at all. We all make different decisions. Plain and simple. Some choose to take their own life, I choose to live.
I like to think that I haven't surrendered, forfeited, nor traded my own personal responsibility for any excuses which scapegoat the program for my shortcomings in life. I have met those that stub their toe and curse STRAIGHT for the fact that if they weren't stuck in group all those years that they would have been walking around in the free world. Therefore naturally they would have had more experience with walking and of course wouldn't have stubbed their toe. Damn that STRAIGHT!! Bullshit!!
You say:
because you didn't suffer as badly long term
C'mon funny bunny, keep it real. You have no idea who I am, how long I was there, nor what I suffered. The fact that my words are not that of some wretched shell shocked remnant of a person because of my experience in the program has nothing to do with my tenure there or the fact that it was less tramautic for me than it was for anyone else.
You say:
I wouldn't BEGIN to judge ONE MANS journey by my own accomplishments or anyone else.
You talking shit to me here doesn't exactly sound to be fair and impartial. Granted my journey is a complicated one (as is all of ours), but it is one that has transformed my own bleeding wounds to less prominant permanent and indelible scars that will never heal. However it has allowed me to carry on living my life in my own way.
Allow me to firmly correct you, I didn't leave it all behind. I will always have the scars of my experience and of loved ones I lost.
In closing Guest Bunny, I am not judging anyone for anything. I was simply typing my two cents for someone that might read it and might not. I didn't mean for it sound like I am some enlightened buddha on a mountain with all the answers. I'm not.
Oh im sure i was being erratic in my response, I seem to do that this time of year but oh well. you really think we all have identical brains do ya? LOL that's funny... You know all it takes to be a serial killer is just a slight difference in the frontal lobe which any of us can be born with. No our brains are like fingerprints my friend. Chemical reactions run amuck in some cases.
And you're right i dont know you, you chose not to reveal that so i can only go by what you give me. Which were the words in this post. you say it allowed you to carry your life on in your own way... not everyone had the same result and it wasn't a choice, so yes the word can't does come to mind. Sure there are some who won't as well as some who can't.
I think by you assuming anyone can't you are judging in a sense. That's like saying; you know them, their struggle, how it affected them mentally, well enough, to say oh yes you can! I know it was just your opinion and i know i went off on it, with my own, no so eloquently, but c'est la vie. Not in the best frame of mind this time of year.
I personally think your perspective may be a little biased.. some kids went through stuff in there that they will never get over even if they want to. But i guess, how could you possibly know that unless it actually affected you in that way.
Can't may not be in your vocabulary, good for you. That is a great thing, for you. What works for you, my friend, isn't going to work for everyone just because you think it should that is a somewhat ignorant way to look at life and man. Cuz everyone is different as are the effects life has on them.
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Oh im sure i was being erratic in my response, I seem to do that this time of year but oh well. you really think we all have identical brains do ya? LOL that's funny... You know all it takes to be a serial killer is just a slight difference in the frontal lobe which any of us can be born with. No our brains are like fingerprints my friend. Chemical reactions run amuck in some cases.
And you're right i dont know you, you chose not to reveal that so i can only go by what you give me. Which were the words in this post. you say it allowed you to carry your life on in your own way... not everyone had the same result and it wasn't a choice, so yes the word can't does come to mind. Sure there are some who won't as well as some who can't.
I think by you assuming anyone can't you are judging in a sense. That's like saying; you know them, their struggle, how it affected them mentally, well enough, to say oh yes you can! I know it was just your opinion and i know i went off on it, with my own, no so eloquently, but c'est la vie. Not in the best frame of mind this time of year.
I personally think your perspective may be a little biased.. some kids went through stuff in there that they will never get over even if they want to. But i guess, how could you possibly know that unless it actually affected you in that way.
Can't may not be in your vocabulary, good for you. That is a great thing, for you. What works for you, my friend, isn't going to work for everyone just because you think it should that is a somewhat ignorant way to look at life and man. Cuz everyone is different as are the effects life has on them.
Identical brains, no. I don't think we have identical brains but I do believe that there are a lot of similiarities in the human cognitive condition. We are animals by nature, individuals but animals nonetheless. It is our own innate instinct combined with our learned behaviors that shape who we are and the decisions we make in life. We have no control over our genetic make up (y'know "genetic make up"...on the cosmetic aisle next to MAC--kidding, this is far too deep of shit for me not to laugh) but we do have some decision making capability when it comes down to what influences our own behavior.
Your serial killer analogy was interesting. Yes only a slight difference in the frontal lobe at birth can cause one to kill, however the same deviation can also cause one to be a gifted savant. This is the genetic stuff which we have no control over that is aforementioned in the above paragraph. However, one can also live a life of abuse and hatred as a child that results in a similiar outcome even though all was physiologically perfect at birth and life thereafter. Perhaps it is also within the realm of possibility that one can experience the same life of abuse and hatred as a child and grow up to be a kind and loving adult. All is possible depending on learned behavior and the consequences of ones own decision making. My opinion.
Yes, indeed chemicals run amuck as you mentioned, but people with chemical imbalances are the very much the exception to the rule. Personally I believe chemically imbalanced brains are very trendy in this day and age of pharmological profits. We have Viagra to make you stiff, Zyrtec to make you stop sneezing, Ambien to put you to sleep, and a number of capitalist driven pharmaceutical companies that offer solutions for "chemical imbalances".
To be correct, I don't "know them, their struggle, and how it affected them mentally" as you stated. I know only me, what worked for me, and what continues to work for me on a daily basis. I am not interested in convincing anyone of what really works for me personally. What really, really fucking really works for me is TBPITW, but that is a different story.
You said:
personally think your perspective may be a little biased.. some kids went through stuff in there that they will never get over even if they want to. But i guess, how could you possibly know that unless it actually affected you in that way.
I'll say it again, it DID affect me in that way. I will never, ever get over my experience in the hellhole I was in. I will never ever forget. But on the same hand, I will never ever go back. Nor will I resolve to live the rest of my life afflicted. Similiarly, if I lost both of my legs I should hope that I would not sit in a wheelchair drunk in my living room watching television because it is all I can do. I would hope that I would continue to live my life to the best of my ability despite that which I have no control over. I cannot begin to speculate about life as a paraplegic, but I would hope that I would have the same desire to LIVE my life that I do today. I would hope that I would make that decision at that point in time. Even then, it is a decision how to play the cards dealt.
You said:
Can't may not be in your vocabulary, good for you. That is a great thing, for you. What works for you, my friend, isn't going to work for everyone just because you think it should that is a somewhat ignorant way to look at life and man. Cuz everyone is different as are the effects life has on them.
I don't think I ever said nor implied that what works for me works for everyone. I said "One thing you probably should keep in mind is that it is ever so easy for program vets to use their experience as an excuse for their pathetic shortcomings in life." Which is true in some circumstances for some people.
Do you really disagree with that statement?
I'm asking...
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Guest 1 says: "I'll say it again, it DID affect me in that way. I will never, ever get over my experience in the hellhole I was in. I will never ever forget. But on the same hand, I will never ever go back. Nor will I resolve to live the rest of my life afflicted. Similiarly, if I lost both of my legs I should hope that I would not sit in a wheelchair drunk in my living room watching television because it is all I can do. I would hope that I would continue to live my life to the best of my ability despite that which I have no control over. I cannot begin to speculate about life as a paraplegic, but I would hope that I would have the same desire to LIVE my life that I do today. I would hope that I would make that decision at that point in time. Even then, it is a decision how to play the cards dealt."
What do you do if you analogetically speaking, are this paraplegic and sitting in the wheelchair in a room with the people that paralyzed you? What would you say or do? If you knew they were causing harm to others but you're a paraplegic now, so what would you do? Just sit there? Let them profit from creating paraplegics, knowing full well that you were victimized by them? Seems rather 'egotistical' of you or pompous or something like that. Sure, people have choices to make, but if they make good choices then they should be rewarded, not constantly 'wondering' all the time if people approve of them. There are a lot of side effects of the program that affect you and everyone else, even if you don't realize it. I wonder why you just sit there and let them create more 'paraplegics'.
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It's easy to blame the world and it's easy to blame $tr8. But really, after a while you just keep livin. Obviously, I'm not referrin, here to those who have already left this world, but to those who continue to live and wrestle with their demons. I'll admit I used $tr8 as an excuse plenty, when I would've been better off not. On the other hand, numerous serial crimes were committed against me over a 23 month period, during some of the most crucial years of my life, which have had far-reaching and heavy repercussions. There are legitimate reasons why I struggle and yet there are times when I make excuses too. Such is life. Point taken.
Webdiva, I'm so sorry you have suffered so much. ::kiss::
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I don't think I ever said nor implied that what works for me works for everyone. I said "One thing you probably should keep in mind is that it is ever so easy for program vets to use their experience as an excuse for their pathetic shortcomings in life." Which is true in some circumstances for some people.
Do you really disagree with that statement?
I'm asking...
Look the last thing I support is a prozac nation. that was NOT my implication, everything Can be "answered" with a pill, right. I fully disagree with that attitude. But I do study cognitive science, hoping to go back and major in it actually and am finding out some damn interesting things about the ole brain. Plenty of studies out there you know... Anyway, the whole prozac nation mentality is exactly why I've chosen not to got that route even if it will help... We pass pills out like candy, there is a reason this is happening in our country, after all. My point really is a chemical imbalance is perspective. Who is to say someone is imbalanced? I mean unless it's some major imbalance, but who ever defined what the "balance" was?. Who is to say what's normal? As if anyone really has a handle on that ?? People would love to think so.
Do I agree with your FINAL statement? you mean the judgmental one about someones pathetic shortcomings ? So nice of you to put it that way. Who wouldn't agree that in some circumstances for SOME people anything is possible. My question to you is how could you possibly know for a fact that a person is blaming their "pathetic" shortcomings on straight when it's in fact simply because they are a pathetic loser?
How do you know for a fact something they went through didn't effect then much deeper than it did you? How do you know they hadn't had a miserable or abusive childhood prior? Many people never reveal certain abuse, even to their best friends so don't think you would know cuz you knew them.
Boys and girls actually got raped by staff in straight. We had a cia agent/pedophile/rapist working for straight apprehending cop outs, I knew him personally. My brother "supposedly" reported a rape while he was on a cop out when he got back into straight and was told he deserved it and it was never reported to the police. I think at that point I'd be ready to die. They had created an outlook so bleak for him he thought he had no other choice and he had no one to turn to. No one.
Things that traumatic can most definitely cause social issues that will be with someone for the rest of their natural born life, no matter HOW hard they try to change. Are you saying that is NOT true? The one thing I will say is this. Once a person lays the blame, it is up to them to do what they can to live. Sure. Do they have a right to keep laying blame? Absolutely, it's their struggle, their life and who am I to say otherwise. I myself would do my damnedest to move on but i certainly would never let a friend think I thought his issues were pathetic and he was using straight as an excuse. Because there is no way I could know that for sure.
How do you take a statement like your question to me and say you aren't being judgmental? Do you pick and choose whose shortcomings are valid and whose are pathetic? On whose authority do you do this? And based on what knowledge of their personal life? I mean you would really have to know everything about a person to make such a claim.
When all is said and done, what do you care if someone, who you deem pathetic or at least their shortcomings, blames straight? How does that effect you exactly? Do you really think it will help them?
$traight was great at that though. Knowing what was good for everyone and telling them how they should be and how pathetic they were if they didn't comply.
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program vets useing their incarceration as an excuse for their pathetic shortcomings in life????????????????not alot of compassion there....just as all have had some sort of trama....all have made excuses from time to time...so many variables......conscience choices or auto pilot?...vary between the two?....guest picking apart bunny must be perfect....stay clear.... sociopath in the making...isnt it hard having to be right all the time guest??? I pray for the people who have to live around you...PEACE
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program vets useing their incarceration as an excuse for their pathetic shortcomings in life????????????????not alot of compassion there....just as all have had some sort of trama....all have made excuses from time to time...so many variables......conscience choices or auto pilot?...vary between the two?....guest picking apart bunny must be perfect....stay clear.... sociopath in the making...isnt it hard having to be right all the time guest??? I pray for the people who have to live around you...PEACE
apparently he has a gift. he can discern ones shortcomings as pathetic or legit. we should be thanking him for sharing this gift, not condeming him.
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It's easy to blame the world and it's easy to blame $tr8. But really, after a while you just keep livin. Obviously, I'm not referrin, here to those who have already left this world, but to those who continue to live and wrestle with their demons. I'll admit I used $tr8 as an excuse plenty, when I would've been better off not. On the other hand, numerous serial crimes were committed against me over a 23 month period, during some of the most crucial years of my life, which have had far-reaching and heavy repercussions. There are legitimate reasons why I struggle and yet there are times when I make excuses too. Such is life. Point taken.
Webdiva, I'm so sorry you have suffered so much. ::kiss::
OH I totally agree and my first response was a emotionally driven, hell all my responses are. My point isn't that people shouldn't make excuses.. plenty do I'm sure. My point is there is really no way for us to KNOW who is truly suffering and who's laying out a bunch of bull shit in most cases... I choose to take the supportive route rather then assume one is full of pathetic shortcomings. ya know?
and THANK you my friend. :) Although you know the suffering is a blessing in disguise. :)
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$traight was great at that though. Knowing what was good for everyone and telling them how they should be and how pathetic they were if they didn't comply.
Quite true.
Yeah and that 1st post (from whoever this Guest is who so thoughtfully pointed that out to PA's ex-wife) was rather condescending with the "pathetic shortcomings" comment... fuck that shit and fuck you, you fucking asshole, whoever you are...I hope I don't know you...
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Guest 1 says: "I'll say it again, it DID affect me in that way. I will never, ever get over my experience in the hellhole I was in. I will never ever forget. But on the same hand, I will never ever go back. Nor will I resolve to live the rest of my life afflicted. Similiarly, if I lost both of my legs I should hope that I would not sit in a wheelchair drunk in my living room watching television because it is all I can do. I would hope that I would continue to live my life to the best of my ability despite that which I have no control over. I cannot begin to speculate about life as a paraplegic, but I would hope that I would have the same desire to LIVE my life that I do today. I would hope that I would make that decision at that point in time. Even then, it is a decision how to play the cards dealt."
What do you do if you analogetically speaking, are this paraplegic and sitting in the wheelchair in a room with the people that paralyzed you? What would you say or do? If you knew they were causing harm to others but you're a paraplegic now, so what would you do? Just sit there? Let them profit from creating paraplegics, knowing full well that you were victimized by them? Seems rather 'egotistical' of you or pompous or something like that. Sure, people have choices to make, but if they make good choices then they should be rewarded, not constantly 'wondering' all the time if people approve of them. There are a lot of side effects of the program that affect you and everyone else, even if you don't realize it. I wonder why you just sit there and let them create more 'paraplegics'.
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I can tell you right now... I would MUCH rather have been PHYSICALLY injured by losing a limb then to be mentally and emotionally and in some cases physically RAPED as a child for years. HELL YEAH Much easier to deal with.
Apples and watermelons you are comparing. try again!
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Guest 1 says: "I'll say it again, it DID affect me in that way. I will never, ever get over my experience in the hellhole I was in. I will never ever forget. But on the same hand, I will never ever go back. Nor will I resolve to live the rest of my life afflicted. Similiarly, if I lost both of my legs I should hope that I would not sit in a wheelchair drunk in my living room watching television because it is all I can do. I would hope that I would continue to live my life to the best of my ability despite that which I have no control over. I cannot begin to speculate about life as a paraplegic, but I would hope that I would have the same desire to LIVE my life that I do today. I would hope that I would make that decision at that point in time. Even then, it is a decision how to play the cards dealt."
You assume a lot when you say you hope they have a Desire to live. many of these pathetic people of which you speak do have a desire to live, even people who KILL THEMSELVES have a desire to live. You do realize that right? They have a desire to live unharmed and safe and loved. Do you have someone in your life that Loves you? I don't know a Single person who wouldn't desire to live if they could DEAL. Not everyone is as LUCKY as you with accomplishing that task I suppose. It does not negate their desire to live a happy life even if they choose to end it.
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Hmmm...I find it interesting how differently a post can be inferred.
I see that Guest's main point has consistently been about 'choices'. We all have the potential to decide how we will live our lives or not live them. Sure we've all been through hell, but whether or not to let it dictate the rest of our lives is up to us.
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pathetic shortcomings
Nice one.
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Hmmm...I find it interesting how differently a post can be inferred.
I see that Guest's main point has consistently been about 'choices'. We all have the potential to decide how we will live our lives or not live them. Sure we've all been through hell, but whether or not to let it dictate the rest of our lives is up to us.
Apparently you are the only one... But he blatantly said that the Pathetic Shortcomings ( no judgment there) of some people were merely due to excuses. As if he could possible KNOW this. Give me a break.
And I don't think you perceived the post any different, I think you agree, and others don't. And you have that right, but, he should be speaking of himself... Its not about US Kim just cuz you were in there with these people does NOT make it a WE thing... You know that right? Sure we can bond and we can come together, BUT its an individual journey and a personal battle for everyone. It's about ME, I not US when it Comes to something like that!!
No one should tell me or anyone else on this board what WE should be doing. NO ONE has been through the same exact hell and even if they were the effects on each person were surely be different so how can you or anyone tell someone not to let THEIR problems dictate THEIR life when it has nothing to do with YOU? It's THEIR life.
Thats like someone telling me, and its been said before, that I should get over it because I wasn't in straight my brother was. Where the fuck does someone get off?
Let them suffer in peace! if thats what they need to do to survive, so be it. Who cares? They shouldn't be judged, criticized or ridiculed for it especially by someone who at least has a CLUE as to the pain they may be dealing with.
IT's simply ignorant and very egotistical. Had his message been about him and his journey and struggle i wouldnt have had a problem with it. But it wasn't.
Like this husband/father. Who honestly has the balls to say he CHOSE to let his wife rekindle straight (she did it), chose to allow it to eat him up, chose to allow it to ruin his relationship and lose his children. Anyone? Can you tell me for a fact that was a choice? that he desired that? That it's fully his fault? I don't think so, nor can you say that about any other person in regards to their problems. Cuz plain and simple you don't know you only choose to ASSume.
Its always easier to point out the faults of other when one thinks they are doing what's good and somehow can't wrap their brain around why all these other people have gone a different route, a route they believe is beneath them and a route they seem to KNOW these people could avoid. No one that i know is omniscient so I don't see how people can take on such a GOD like mentality.
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*by the way im ASSuming this person is a guy for no reason at all, i do that with guests for some reason if it's not obvious i wasn't gonna say IT or GUEST the whole time so guest became he, but i really don't know, didnt want to imply anything by that.*
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condescending asshole
even nicer LOL :rofl: :rofl: :rofl:
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Hmmm...I find it interesting how differently a post can be inferred.
I see that Guest's main point has consistently been about 'choices'. We all have the potential to decide how we will live our lives or not live them. Sure we've all been through hell, but whether or not to let it dictate the rest of our lives is up to us.
Apparently you are the only one... But he blatantly said that the Pathetic Shortcomings ( no judgment there) of some people were merely due to excuses. As if he could possible KNOW this. Give me a break.
Perhaps this Guest WAS 'relating' in a way. Perhaps they have been there at some point, and/or had other close friends suffer?
And I don't think you perceived the post any different, I think you agree, and others don't. And you have that right, but, he should be speaking of himself... Its not about US Kim just cuz you were in there with these people does NOT make it a WE thing... You know that right? Sure we can bond and we can come together, BUT its an individual journey and a personal battle for everyone. It's about ME, I not US when it Comes to something like that!!
I do agree that everyone has choices in life. Absolutely. I also know that we all have our scars and pain...collectively and separate. The 'we' thing was a generalization in life, not Straight.
No one should tell me or anyone else on this board what WE should be doing. NO ONE has been through the same exact hell and even if they were the effects on each person were surely be different so how can you or anyone tell someone not to let THEIR problems dictate THEIR life when it has nothing to do with YOU? It's THEIR life.
Of course not. Again, that's one's own choice to make.
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Hmmm...I find it interesting how differently a post can be inferred.
I see that Guest's main point has consistently been about 'choices'. We all have the potential to decide how we will live our lives or not live them. Sure we've all been through hell, but whether or not to let it dictate the rest of our lives is up to us.
Apparently you are the only one... But he blatantly said that the Pathetic Shortcomings ( no judgment there) of some people were merely due to excuses. As if he could possible KNOW this. Give me a break.
Perhaps this Guest WAS 'relating' in a way. Perhaps they have been there at some point, and/or had other close friends suffer?
And I don't think you perceived the post any different, I think you agree, and others don't. And you have that right, but, he should be speaking of himself... Its not about US Kim just cuz you were in there with these people does NOT make it a WE thing... You know that right? Sure we can bond and we can come together, BUT its an individual journey and a personal battle for everyone. It's about ME, I not US when it Comes to something like that!!
I do agree that everyone has choices in life. Absolutely. I also know that we all have our scars and pain...collectively and separate. The 'we' thing was a generalization in life, not Straight.
No one should tell me or anyone else on this board what WE should be doing. NO ONE has been through the same exact hell and even if they were the effects on each person were surely be different so how can you or anyone tell someone not to let THEIR problems dictate THEIR life when it has nothing to do with YOU? It's THEIR life.
Of course not. Again, that's one's own choice to make.
he may have been relating but he still came off extremely judgemental in my opinion.. i mean kim his FIRST STATEMENT, the FIRST thing he says is
"One thing you probably should keep in mind is that it is ever so easy for program vets to use their experience as an excuse for their pathetic shortcomings in life. "
um sorry but that kinda set the tone for me that he himself was quite pathetic to make such a Judgment.
Then to add:
"However, there are also a great many people that have risen above what happened to them 20-30 years ago and have done very well in life, "
Is to imply that so many have done it including himself that somehow its wrong for those who haven't gotten over what happened 30 years ago. How is that even possible for those who only came to TERMS with it in the lats 5 years?
And again how could he possibly group all these people together. For as many people who have RISEN ABOVE, there are just as many who haven't. Most people just choose NOT to associate with Those kinds of people. So how could they really know much about their struggles or why they haven't been able to move on. They are outcast by society and it's a damn shame. But it's an attitude like his that helps to separate the "good" from the "bad" in the sea of ignorance we call America.
I could keep quoting but that's enough to get my point across. That's all it took for me to see what he was saying.
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$traight was great at that though. Knowing what was good for everyone and telling them how they should be and how pathetic they were if they didn't comply.
It would appear that Guest incorporated/internalized a great deal of $traight's "philosophy" in order to survive whilst there, and hasn't yet realized the extent of it. That's what happens to people sometimes, when they are denied love and kindness and affection during key stages in development: certain circuits are underused and atrophy.
There have been studies of small children who have been denied a mother's love and physical touch in their very early years, and these children do not develop normally from a psychological standpoint. It is possible to undo some of that damage, but it literally takes many more years than that of the original deprivation.
The human brain is still undergoing physical development during the adolescent years. It is not simply a question of acquiring more experience or maturity, or working one's way through the WeltSchmerz. There are actually certain functional regions which need further expansion and development, and this is generally not considered to be "complete" until some time in our early 20s, if I remember my Neurology correctly.
Keep this in mind when you sling around the concept of "choices," draped in all sorts of moral baggage.
I think all here concerned have suffered damage. In some cases this shows up as a reduced ability to function proactively in a world which has certain expectations, in some cases it ends up being a reduced capacity to feel empathy. And some people are coping with the whole shebang.
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$traight was great at that though. Knowing what was good for everyone and telling them how they should be and how pathetic they were if they didn't comply.
It would appear that Guest incorporated/internalized a great deal of $traight's "philosophy" in order to survive whilst there, and hasn't yet realized the extent of it. That's what happens to people sometimes, when they are denied love and kindness and affection during key stages in development: certain circuits are underused and atrophy.
There have been studies of small children who have been denied a mother's love and physical touch in their very early years, and these children do not develop normally from a psychological standpoint. It is possible to undo some of that damage, but it literally takes many more years than that of the original deprivation.
The human brain is still undergoing physical development during the adolescent years. It is not simply a question of acquiring more experience or maturity, or working one's way through the WeltSchmerz. There are actually certain functional regions which need further expansion and development, and this is generally not considered to be "complete" until some time in our early 20s, if I remember my Neurology correctly.
Keep this in mind when you sling around the concept of "choices," draped in all sorts of moral baggage.
I think all here concerned have suffered damage. In some cases this shows up as a reduced ability to function proactively in a world which has certain expectations, in some cases it ends up being a reduced capacity to feel empathy. And some people are coping with the whole shebang.
yes ive been subtly trying to imply that in most of my replies... $traight mentality, Let It Go! Or as my friend would say..
have you done anything today to destroy the Straight that still exists
inside your head? I've heard that smoking marijuana is an excellent,
most effective way to do it. I think I'll give it a try.
Great advice!
As far as slinging around choices w/ moral baggage did you mean me or the guest?
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great insight and observation Ursus....guest just needs some love....
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great insight and observation Ursus....guest just needs some love....
yes dont we all? Love not judgment...
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As far as slinging around choices w/ moral baggage did you mean me or the guest?
Pardon my lack of clarity.
From what I've read earlier in the thread, the progenitor of the Choice Patrol was Guest.
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.guest just needs some love....
:rofl: :idea: :lol: ::rainbow:: ::bwahaha2:: ::fu:: ::stab:: ::both:: ::madclown:: :skull: ::bandit:: :smokin:
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yes ive been subtly trying to imply that in most of my replies... $traight mentality, Let It Go! Or as my friend would say..
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have you done anything today to destroy the Straight that still exists
inside your head? I've heard that smoking marijuana is an excellent,
most effective way to do it. I think I'll give it a try.
Yes, I know! I totally got it. But nobody else was expanding on it 'cept Frod.
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As far as slinging around choices w/ moral baggage did you mean me or the guest?
Pardon my lack of clarity.
From what I've read earlier in the thread, the progenitor of the Choice Patrol was Guest.
cool my beary friend just wanted to check :D
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yes ive been subtly trying to imply that in most of my replies... $traight mentality, Let It Go! Or as my friend would say..
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have you done anything today to destroy the Straight that still exists
inside your head? I've heard that smoking marijuana is an excellent,
most effective way to do it. I think I'll give it a try.
Yes, I know! I totally got it. But nobody else was expanding on it 'cept Frod.
Yeah every once in awhile frods light bulb goes :idea: :idea: :idea:
lol kidding frod :D
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What do you do if you analogetically speaking, are this paraplegic and sitting in the wheelchair in a room with the people that paralyzed you? What would you say or do? If you knew they were causing harm to others but you're a paraplegic now, so what would you do? Just sit there? Let them profit from creating paraplegics, knowing full well that you were victimized by them? Seems rather 'egotistical' of you or pompous or something like that. Sure, people have choices to make, but if they make good choices then they should be rewarded, not constantly 'wondering' all the time if people approve of them. There are a lot of side effects of the program that affect you and everyone else, even if you don't realize it. I wonder why you just sit there and let them create more 'paraplegics'.
What??? Whenever I am here in this forum, I AM in the room with the people that paralyzed me so to speak. It was those of you sitting behind the other computer monitors reading my words that restrained me, denied me, and drew blood from my flesh. It is your faces that I see in my nightmares. Yes, shame on Sembler, shame on Newton, shame on the suits, but it is your faces that I remember.
What in any of my posts implied that I am tolerant, or even advocate the program's continued grasp on today's youth? My posts aren't about advocating program philosophies or "letting them" do anything to anyone. My post was about my decision in life not to continue to be afflicted on the daily by my experience and how others that I know (including myself) at times decide to walk wounded. Some days, minutes, seconds are easier than others. Ultimately I decide whether I surrender or triumph. Sometimes I win, sometimes I lose. I try. I continue to try.
Things that traumatic can most definitely cause social issues that will be with someone for the rest of their natural born life, no matter HOW hard they try to change. Are you saying that is NOT true? The one thing I will say is this. Once a person lays the blame, it is up to them to do what they can to live. Sure. Do they have a right to keep laying blame? Absolutely, it's their struggle, their life and who am I to say otherwise. I myself would do my damnedest to move on but i certainly would never let a friend think I thought his issues were pathetic and he was using straight as an excuse. Because there is no way I could know that for sure.
I am not saying that trauma does not cause long term ramifications, quite the contrary. I have said time and time again that I live with yesterday's baggage each and every day. However, when I stub my toe, I don't blame STRAIGHT as in the analogy I used. THAT is what I mean by using the program as a pathetic excuse for shortcomings in life, not that all sequela stemming from the program is pathetic (HEAR THAT)and not that we should all just make a decision to "move on" from it. That is absolutely in no way what I inferred at all. There is a big difference. Some nights I wake up screaming, am I calling my own reaction to that traumatic experience pathetic? Not at all. If I stub my toe and once again blame the program because I was locked up so long I can't walk and talk at the same time, then I think that may border "pathetic". Nor am I judging what is and what is not "pathetic" in others. I simply said that it is easy for some folks, INCLUDING MYSELF FOR OVER A DECADE, to use the experience as an excuse. I have stubbed my toe and related it to STRAIGHT, do you not think that is fucking pathetic? $tr8 is definitely responsible when I wake up in the middle of the night screaming but when I stub my fucking toe? That, my friend, is cut and dried, pure and simple, tried and true "pathetic".
Pirate acknowledged:
"I'll admit I used $tr8 as an excuse plenty, when I would've been better off not.....There are legitimate reasons why I struggle and yet there are times when I make excuses too. Such is life. Point taken.
and this is what I want to say. I am not saying that those that suffer are full of shit. I suffer daily. I make decision to carry on with my life in the manner which makes me happy on a daily basis. Where in the fuck does that judge anyone else or say how anyone else should be living their life, diva?
Once a person lays the blame, it is up to them to do what they can to live.
Sounds like decision making to me, diva. This is closer to what I am trying to get at here...Maybe I framed my post totally wrong. Many people including yourself have now summarized what I was getting at initially. Maybe I fucked it all up...once again. Wanna hear an example of a pathetic excuse...I'll blame STRAIGHT for this one, maybe if I would have gone to high school as a teenager I could have been more articulate and clear here. How legit is that? Maybe I really am condescending and judgemental but that sounds like I am using STRAIGHT as a pathetic excuse for my own inability to express my thoughts and opinion here in print, no? Pathetic?
When all is said and done, what do you care if someone, who you deem pathetic or at least their shortcomings, blames straight? How does that effect you exactly? Do you really think it will help them?
I don't deem anyone or anything here. I'm not judging anyone. I posted "One thing you probably should keep in mind is that it is ever so easy for program vets to use their experience as an excuse for their pathetic shortcomings in life." and maybe I should have correctly and semantically said for ME, MYSELF, and I, it is ever so easy to use MY, MY OWN experience as an excuse for MY, MY OWN pathetic shortcomings in life. My apologies for speaking on behalf of "program vets" as I did. I see I could have and SHOULD have stated that differently and should have pointed the finger at myself rather than include myself amidst others (including those THAT I KNOW PERSONALLY, EAT, DRINK and SMOKE with) that simliarly scapegoat STRAIGHT for pathetic shit.
he can discern ones shortcomings as pathetic or legit
Again, I am not discerning nor judging anyone's anything.
fuck you, you fucking asshole, whoever you are...I hope I don't know you...
Fuck you kindly back, Frod, deep in your stinkin ass--I might add. I was posting my words to a wife and mother that sounded troubled. What I said, as odd as it may sound, was heartfelt at the time.
You assume a lot when you say you hope they have a Desire to live. many of these pathetic people of which you speak do have a desire to live, even people who KILL THEMSELVES have a desire to live. You do realize that right? They have a desire to live unharmed and safe and loved. Do you have someone in your life that Loves you? I don't know a Single person who wouldn't desire to live if they could DEAL. Not everyone is as LUCKY as you with accomplishing that task I suppose. It does not negate their desire to live a happy life even if they choose to end it.
I never said I hope anyone would have the desire to live. I think something was lost in the translation here. I was talking about ME. If I were paralyzed I would hope that I would continue to decide my fate in a manner that would foster happiness in life, rather than to blame my stubbed toe and all of my pathetic shortcomings on the fact that I am disabled.
We all have the potential to decide how we will live our lives or not live them. Sure we've all been through hell, but whether or not to let it dictate the rest of our lives is up to us.
V, you hit the nail on the fucking head. I wish I could be as eloquently concise.
No one should tell me or anyone else on this board what WE should be doing
THAT my friend, would be pompous and condescending. Never once did I imply what anyone here should be doing about anything. That is not me. I don't know you, I know ME and I also personally know a few others that have fallen to a wierd trap of blaming $tr8 for everything from a stubbed tow to a leaky roof. Yep, it can get fairly "pathetic".
I should of known better than to post here with good intentions. Nothing is more like group than being stood up and semantically picked apart and told to talk about myself and no one else. Admittedly, if I would have done so to begin with it would have saved a lot of people a lot of keystrokes. I stand corrected. Funny how in real life there is never the need to defend myself in any regard but here there there are older versions of the same fuckers that bashed my head into the floor 20-30 years ago with starving mouths that still drip with anticipation for fresh vulnerable flesh to devour. I could go and cry about how fucked up it is to be confronted and semantically dissected yet still misunderstood again. I could dive deep about how no matter how I try there is no shakin' this STRAIGHT shit and how the program is everywhere. However, I know my decision will be to simply finish this post, light a spliff, and laugh. That is the decision that will keep me happy, not to mention alive.
My apologies for derailing this whole thread. My apologies to anyone offended or infuriated by my words. It has been a personal struggle for me for many, many years and I have found things that have worked in helping me to survive. One of those things is to do what I can to keep things in perspective. For me personally blaming the program everytime I stub my toe, everytime the roof leaks, or everytime I get stuck at a red light just isn't real anymore. It IS pathetic for me personally. The last thing I ever want to do to try to convince anyone that what works for me, works in general period. I am not trying to convince anyone of anything and admittedly I stand corrected for my choice of words.
This place can be a lot like group at times which is unfortunate. If you must, say what you will regarding all I mentioned above, I'll read your replies but I have stated all I have to say and my defense has rested.
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Fuck you kindly back, Frod, deep in your stinkin ass--I might add. I was posting my words to a wife and mother that sounded troubled. What I said, as odd as it may sound, was heartfelt at the time.
I don't have time to read all your shit right now motherfucker, but what a pussy-assed excuse you attempt to make here for your arrogant, condescending bullshit...fuck off. :roll:
Again, I can only hope that I don't know you (from here and/or in rl) as I hate to think that I would've mistaken you for any kind of friend...
Later, cunt-face.
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know ME and I also personally know a few others that have fallen to a wierd trap of blaming $tr8 for everything from a stubbed tow to a leaky roof. Yep, it can get fairly "pathetic".
Speak for yourself then, asswipe. Tell me who here has unduly "blamed Straight for their "'pathetic shortcomings.'"
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my defense has rested.
I seriously doubt this.... :rofl:
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my defense has rested.
I seriously doubt this.... :rofl:
OK, what the hell, one more "Fuck You Frod" just for good measure.
Now I'm out~
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My apologies for derailing this whole thread. My apologies to anyone offended or infuriated by my words. It has been a personal struggle for me for many, many years and I have found things that have worked in helping me to survive. One of those things is to do what I can to keep things in perspective. For me personally blaming the program everytime I stub my toe, everytime the roof leaks, or everytime I get stuck at a red light just isn't real anymore. It IS pathetic for me personally. The last thing I ever want to do to try to convince anyone that what works for me, works in general period. I am not trying to convince anyone of anything and admittedly I stand corrected for my choice of words.
This place can be a lot like group at times which is unfortunate. If you must, say what you will regarding all I mentioned above, I'll read your replies but I have stated all I have to say and my defense has rested.
yes you said it for YOU personally.. AND if you blame straight EVERY time you stub your toe, sure pretty fucking pathetic i would only say that if someone asked.. but if you did it once in awhile maybe Cuz you were pissed off about something you read about straight and werent paying attention and stubbed your toe and said God damn fucking straight made me stub my god damn toe, I'd understand. Is that pathetic? Of course not.
But you have to realize your opening remark set the tone and pissed me off to the point that it was hard to really believe much else you were saying espeiclaly after you then Restated the same pathetic statement and asked me if i agreed. Hell no I dont agree. not with the "vets blaming straight for their pathetic shortcomings " remaRk. are you crazy? Had it said "I blame straight for my pathetic short comings, or some of my friends" that would have been totally different. But not once, twice! You laid that statement on all vets. going as far to ask if i agreed with it. so how could i come to any other conclusion then you're an aarrogant asshole?? Because to me it was obvious you really believed that. Now you're saying someting a bit different BUT thats not how you came off. And with the whole TOE STUB thing you didn't imply it was you Who used that as an excuse, it came off like you were saying there are all these vest that blame straight for petty ass shit like a toe stub. I dont know many if any who do that so again I was offended by that implication.
Be mad at yourself here, you brought it on either by really meaning what you typed, or being a bit too unaware of what you typed, or just plain stupid, which i find hard to believe. I think my reaction and anger is justified based on What you implied (whether you meant it or not really doesn't matter it's what was written) in your post. And seeing that i don't know you i have NOTHING else to go on.. im guessing kim might? I could be wrong just an observation, esp since you imply you know some people here. maybe she is lucky enough to have some insight about you that WE don't, which just might allow her to discern your statments a bit better then someone who is clueless..?
As far as I go, I'm not a mean person, i can be rude, i can be a bitch, who can't?? But this week especially. Steve died 21 years ago, this week. I'm a bit on edge and im going to take everything a bit more personally then usual. Although I still would have talked shit but maybe not quite as much. who knows. So i guess you just picked a bad week to post, cuz you definitely got me at my worst, but im not ashamed of that. I'm human with emotions that are running a muck at the moment and when I'm offended or hurt, I react.
And that's not me blaming straight or making excuses, it's a sister still mourning The loss of her brother, I probably will until the day I die. Hell i only found out 6 years ago as it is and i keep finding shit out that he had to endure to this day! It's like a fucking train that just doesn't want to stop. But hey, life goes on and I'm doing the best I can. As is, as far as I'm concerned, everyone here.
I think frod and anyone else who blasted you has every right to be pissed off and I'm kinda surprised that you're surprised at the reaction this brought on.
K ive rambled enough. later
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my defense has rested.
I seriously doubt this.... :rofl:
OK, what the hell, one more "Fuck You Frod" just for good measure.
Now I'm out~
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oh yeah you are pleading your case so maturely. what are you 5? Jesus christ. Go stub your tow (you spelled it that way first lol) why don't you.
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I dont know what to say to all this except the walls have started talking to me again....and I'm sorry for webdivas loss............this is like group...its what we know....but how could you think you were helping this wife by what you said guest....her husband just found out what happened to him???? it takes a while to start the healing process once your able to go back and learn what happened to you by choice or chance......we are all at one stage or another of the healing process...we can be understanding in all our efforts to move beyond this..
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I know many post will follow mine that will shred my words to you here, and that is ok. These are my thoughts on the matter. I haven't the need to cater to the masses. I left that behind in the program.
One quick question... you implied later that really you were referring to yourself for the most part and your own toe stubbage.. yet if that were the case, why did you end your first post with the statement above?
If you weren't meaning to imply anything there would be no need for that defense. So either you were full of shit then or you are now, doesn't really matter. I can tell you that the masses, im sure, have no desire to be catered by you. But to me you are a part of the masses of asses in the ignorant ignorant world, not i.
and by the way what in MY post implied anything remotely close to me assuming you approved of pedophiles. my point was shit was traumatic kids got raped, i didn't say you approved not even close.. I was saying YOUR experience was not theirs. But please feel free to read into everything i say. You on the other hand make it easy i just read exactly what you say and there is no room for doubt until you come back and try to defend it and then im reminded oh yeah he said he knew he was gonna be "SHRED" for this post. of course you knew exactly what you were saying just as you knew i wasn't implying anything of the sort regarding pedophiles. so save it.
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I should of known better than to post here with good intentions. Nothing is more like group than being stood up and semantically picked apart and told to talk about myself and no one else.
And that you have...been semantically picked apart.
First of all, the internet is damned hard to get someone's REAL meaning and one's words are easily mistaken for another meaning. I think we've all had that experience. I know I have a hard time trying to express what I want simply by typing.
But, from Guest's original post, I saw their words dissected and from those pieces, inferred to degrees that amazed me.
I think a lot of people know me 'round here and know how I feel and think about the whole Straight experience and 'after' and these people know I wouldn't say what I am if I didn't feel strongly about it. I truly think that Guest's words were completely taken out of context and translated to an extreme and that 'inferrence' was then taken as Guest's meaning pure and simple. JUST LIKE GROUP! Yep. I see the arms flapping even now.
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But this week especially. Steve died 21 years ago, this week. I'm a bit on edge and im going to take everything a bit more personally then usual. Although I still would have talked shit but maybe not quite as much. who knows. So i guess you just picked a bad week to post, cuz you definitely got me at my worst, but im not ashamed of that. I'm human with emotions that are running a muck at the moment and when I'm offended or hurt, I react.
I thought this might have something to do with your reaction to Guest's post.
I feel for you, webdiva! I can't imagine what you're going thru right now...especially THIS week. ::kiss::
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Be mad at yourself here, you brought it on either by really meaning what you typed, or being a bit too unaware of what you typed, or just plain stupid, which i find hard to believe. I think my reaction and anger is justified based on What you implied (whether you meant it or not really doesn't matter it's what was written) in your post. And seeing that i don't know you i have NOTHING else to go on.. im guessing kim might? I could be wrong just an observation, esp since you imply you know some people here. maybe she is lucky enough to have some insight about you that WE don't, which just might allow her to discern your statments a bit better then someone who is clueless..?
I don't really know who this Guest is. All I know is that their words were taken out of context and tangled and twisted. I'm kinda surprised that they even stuck around to attempt fixing the misunderstanding.
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I should of known better than to post here with good intentions. Nothing is more like group than being stood up and semantically picked apart and told to talk about myself and no one else.
And that you have...been semantically picked apart.
First of all, the internet is damned hard to get someone's REAL meaning and one's words are easily mistaken for another meaning. I think we've all had that experience. I know I have a hard time trying to express what I want simply by typing.
But, from Guest's origianal post, I saw their words disected and from those pieces, inferred to degrees that amazed me.
I think a lot of people know me 'round here and know how I feel and think about the whole Straight experience and 'after' and these people know I wouldn't say what I am if I didn't feel strongly about it. I truly think that Guest's words were completely taken out of context and translated to an extreme and that 'inferrence' was then taken as Guest's meaning pure and simple. JUST LIKE GROUP! Yep. I see the arms flapping even now.
yeah just like group the 2 of you together would have been great on staff fuckin with everyones heads the way you're trying to now. It's actually getting pretty fucking amusing. Either that or he's got you fooled too, i just don't think you're that stupid, a bit naive but not stupid.
You've made 1 thing plainly clear, you KNOW guest. duh...
You at least know him more then the rest of us do. NO doubt.
That statement, YOU know the one. the one we ALL knew would stir shit up, that was his intention after all. Very obvious since he defends it at the end of his post. eh? Catch that? OF course you did. You also knew damn well when you READ that line what it would do.
I would have far more respect for him, had he had the balls to keep it real but no. He can't even do that. He spouts some bull shit, tries to defend it, gets totally RAILED and then says *oh oh i was talking about me really i was me me me and my toe* what ever! No I don't buy it. Sorry. LOL Nice try!
just when i thought this thread couldn't get any more RIDICULOUS... l and how do you know GUESTS words were taken completely out of context? you knew the context of every word he wrote and we didn't because...?? You're psychic? OF course not, because you know him, thats right.
talk about being amazed... im amazed. but not surprised not at all. Keep on defending him he obviously cant do it for himself. He is what i would call A COWARD. Talks shit and can't even reveal himself and has to be Defended by perfect strangers, oh right right i keep forgetting you know him....
what a waste of a fucking thread.
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Be mad at yourself here, you brought it on either by really meaning what you typed, or being a bit too unaware of what you typed, or just plain stupid, which i find hard to believe. I think my reaction and anger is justified based on What you implied (whether you meant it or not really doesn't matter it's what was written) in your post. And seeing that i don't know you i have NOTHING else to go on.. im guessing kim might? I could be wrong just an observation, esp since you imply you know some people here. maybe she is lucky enough to have some insight about you that WE don't, which just might allow her to discern your statments a bit better then someone who is clueless..?
I don't really know who this Guest is. All I know is that their words were taken out of context and tangled and twisted. I'm kinda surprised that they even stuck around to attempt fixing the misunderstanding.
how could you know that possibly kim without knowing the perosn and his intent? lol right you know nothing of the guest no clue who the guest is. and my name is bob! nice to meet ya. don't buy it.
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But this week especially. Steve died 21 years ago, this week. I'm a bit on edge and im going to take everything a bit more personally then usual. Although I still would have talked shit but maybe not quite as much. who knows. So i guess you just picked a bad week to post, cuz you definitely got me at my worst, but im not ashamed of that. I'm human with emotions that are running a muck at the moment and when I'm offended or hurt, I react.
I thought this might have something to do with your reaction to Guest's post.
I feel for you, webdiva! I can't imagine what you're going thru right now...especially THIS week. ::kiss::
hell no fuck that, that had something to do with my initial over reaction. but no My brothers deaht isnt some how making me delusional as to What his sorry ass is trying to pull. and you're right you cant imagine. especially at this Very moment. definitely not. im sure my posts will offend you but all i can do is call it like i see it and keep it real. he isnt doing the same.
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Fuck that! What part of "pathetic shortcomings" didn't sink in?
Just like group my ass. Not surprising though, it sure wouldn't be the first time someone's attempted to pull that trump when their posts get "shredded" by people who take words for their face value. Dissected? Whatever... Call it what you want, I call it taking a statement for what it says... Next thing you know, this dipshit will be claiming he (or she) was "abused" here on fornits. Cry me a fucking river.. Guess we'd better ring up the cyber-cops or something, eh? :roll:
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Yeah just like group the 2 of you together would have been great on staff fuckin with everyones heads the way you're trying to now. It's actually getting pretty fucking amusing. Either that or he's got you fooled too, i just don't think you're that stupid, a bit naive but not stupid.
Wow! I'm not even sure what to say to that. I think you know me better than all that.
You've made 1 thing plainly clear, you KNOW guest. duh...
You at least know him more then the rest of us do. NO doubt.
Not really any more than the rest of you know them.
That statement, YOU know the one. the one we ALL knew would stir shit up, that was his intention after all. Very obvious since he defends it at the end of his post. eh? Catch that? OF course you did. You also knew damn well when you READ that line what it would do.
I don't think Guest meant to 'stir things up'. I think they knew that what they wrote to the wife of a Vet somehow, might help her come to grips with it all. Afterall, this whole thread is about her and her husband and all the shit she's been throught because her husband won't get some kind of help (in whatever form you might think) for his abusiveness towards her and their children. THAT is what the Guest was responding to....HER post; it had nothing to do with US. The Guest was trying to console her, in some way, to help her through her pain with her husband.
I would have far more respect for him, had he had the balls to keep it real but no. He can't even do that. He spouts some bull shit, tries to defend it, gets totally RAILED and then says *oh oh i was talking about me really i was me me me and my toe* what ever! No I don't buy it. Sorry. LOL Nice try!
You can't REALLY say that. That is simply an assumption.
just when i thought this thread couldn't get any more RIDICULOUS... l and how do you know GUESTS words were taken completely out of context? you knew the context of every word he wrote and we didn't because...?? You're psychic? OF course not, because you know him, thats right.
No, I don't. I read the Guest's response to the wife of a Vet.
talk about being amazed... im amazed. but not surprised not at all. Keep on defending him he obviously cant do it for himself. He is what i would call A COWARD. Talks shit and can't even reveal himself and has to be Defended by perfect strangers, oh right right i keep forgetting you know him....
From what I've read, I think this Guest can take care of themselves.
what a waste of a fucking thread.
No, I think the Vet's wife might read this and maybe get some more feeling to how it was for her husband.
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Fuck that! What part of "pathetic shortcomings" didn't sink in? :roll:
If that was directed my way, I'd have to say that it was in response to a Vet's wife's post about her anguish with her husband.
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Fuck that! What part of "pathetic shortcomings" didn't sink in? :roll:
If that was directed my way, I'd have to say that it was in response to a Vet's wife's post about her anguish with her husband.
If he had said, "It's cool to force-feed Hindus steak sandwiches" in attempt to make her feel better about it somehow, would that change anything about the statement itself? :rofl:
It doesn't really matter why he said it; point is he said it...
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Fuck that! What part of "pathetic shortcomings" didn't sink in? :roll:
If that was directed my way, I'd have to say that it was in response to a Vet's wife's post about her anguish with her husband.
If he had said, "It's cool to force-feed Hindus steak sandwiches" in attempt to make her feel better about it somehow, would that change anything about the statement itself? :rofl:
It doesn't really matter why he said it; point is he said it...
And MY whole point all along it that it JUST may have been taken out of context. Like I said before, typing something and saying it face-to-face are two totally different things...and meanings can be changed so very easily.
IF, how I inferred the original post to mean, was meant to console a Vet's wife...would that possibly change the meaning? Would you POSSIBLY look at it in a different light?
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Fuck that! What part of "pathetic shortcomings" didn't sink in? :roll:
If that was directed my way, I'd have to say that it was in response to a Vet's wife's post about her anguish with her husband.
i feel for her damn husband he's the victim not her.
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Fuck that! What part of "pathetic shortcomings" didn't sink in? :roll:
If that was directed my way, I'd have to say that it was in response to a Vet's wife's post about her anguish with her husband.
If he had said, "It's cool to force-feed Hindus steak sandwiches" in attempt to make her feel better about it somehow, would that change anything about the statement itself? :rofl:
It doesn't really matter why he said it; point is he said it...
And MY whole point all along it that it JUST may have been taken out of context. Like I said before, typing something and saying it face-to-face are two totally different things...and meanings can be changed so very easily.
IF, how I inferred the original post to mean, was meant to console a Vet's wife...would that possibly change the meaning? Would you POSSIBLY look at it in a different light?
but it wasnt taken out of context or he wouldnt have defended what he knew he was saying before he posted. he blatantly went one route and then finally got tired and chose to suddenly call foul and say it was all about him. total bs. but believe what you want. im just surprised based on what you Call an assumption you would defend a stranger so strongly.
and i do find it a bit insulting that because my brother died i wouldnt some how know what the hell i was talking about.
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And MY whole point all along it that it JUST may have been taken out of context. Like I said before, typing something and saying it face-to-face are two totally different things...and meanings can be changed so very easily.
IF, how I inferred the original post to mean, was meant to console a Vet's wife...would that possibly change the meaning? Would you POSSIBLY look at it in a different light?
Feel free to explain how this could have possibly been "taken out of context" when the context is right there a few pages back on this thread in the post itself.
It is what it is.. you might as well stop trying to tell yourself (and the rest of us) otherwise.
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Fuck that! What part of "pathetic shortcomings" didn't sink in? :roll:
If that was directed my way, I'd have to say that it was in response to a Vet's wife's post about her anguish with her husband.
i feel for her damn husband he's the victim not her.
Well, she is a victim, too...as are their children. The web that Straight wove just gets bigger and bigger.
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i feel for her damn husband he's the victim not her.
Yeah, it sounded like she had a few issues of her own..what with the cutting and all..
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Well, she is a victim, too...as are their children. The web that Straight wove just gets bigger and bigger.
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Are we talking about the infamous Preston Kune? If so, for fuck's sake, WHY? The guy was a prototype for the Cyberdyne T-1000.
His capacity for good citizenship to his fellow man will be forever stuck in traffic on the freeway of life. I sincerely hope his unfortunate wife was able to find justice, solace, and the means to move on to a better life without him.
.........some people you jest cai'nt reach, so we get more of what we had last time." "He want's it......... he get's it, and I don't lyke it enny
bettah than you men." Captain Willard : addressing the chaingang of Road Prison # 47 after bitch slapping "Cool Hand Luke" with a sap-jack for back sassing following an escape.
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Are we talking about the infamous Preston Kune? If so, for fuck's sake, WHY? The guy was a prototype for the Cyberdyne T-1000.
His capacity for good citizenship to his fellow man will be forever stuck in traffic on the freeway of life. I sincerely hope his unfortunate wife was able to find justice, solace, and the means to move on to a better life without him.
Because his ex bumped this thread not long ago, and then some fucker had to come along and etc.etc.
Well at least you knew him... this other a-hole had to make the statement about vets in general, as if he's the authority on such things...
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but it wasnt taken out of context or he wouldnt have defended what he knew he was saying before he posted. he blatantly went one route and then finally got tired and chose to suddenly call foul and say it was all about him. total bs. but believe what you want. im just surprised based on what you Call an assumption you would defend a stranger so strongly.
From all of this rhetoric, I cannot and don't feel the need to clarify again why I read Guest's posts the way I did. It's doing my head in right now. All I know, is that from the Guest's response to the wife of the Straight Vet, it just seemed very appropriate. Guest just seemed like they were trying to ease her pain with her husband.
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If he had said, "It's cool to force-feed Hindus steak sandwiches" in attempt to make her feel better about it somehow, would that change anything about the statement itself? :rofl:
It doesn't really matter why he said it; point is he said it...
:P :o :P :o :rofl: :rofl: :o :P :o :P
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Well, she is a victim, too...as are their children. The web that Straight wove just gets bigger and bigger.
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What? You don't think that she and the children are victims of the whole vicious circle???
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Well, she is a victim, too...as are their children. The web that Straight wove just gets bigger and bigger.
:cry2: :cry2: :cry2: :cry2:
What? You don't think that she and the children are victims of the whole vicious circle???
Sure, and sorry for the obnoxious emoticons, but it sounds like (going by her post) that she may have pushed it a little with her "uncovering of hidden memories." I'm sure her intentions were good, but...
Sometimes I wish I never asked. Sometimes I am glad I did.
http://wwf.fornits.com/viewtopic.php?p=266644#266644 (http://wwf.fornits.com/viewtopic.php?p=266644#266644)
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From all of this rhetoric, I cannot and don't feel the need to clarify again why I read Guest's posts the way I did. It's doing my head in right now. All I know, is that from the Guest's response to the wife of the Straight Vet, it just seemed very appropriate. Guest just seemed like they were trying to ease her pain with her husband.
One thing you probably should keep in mind is that it is ever so easy for program vets to use their experience as an excuse for their pathetic shortcomings in life.
This sentence only reads one way, Valhalla...
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Call me masochistic but I can't help but to beat the hornets nest like it was a fucking pinata one more time.
You obviously have never met anyone that has overplayed the role of some crippled broken down lame ass fucker because of $tr8. I'm talking about the daily decision to continue to play the dramatic role of the victim in all regards. I have met these folks, in my own neighborhood from my own program! That isn't my 'condescending judgement' of these guys either. These are my homeboys that I have known for decades that I eat, drink, and smoke with as I mentioned. The way I stated that was: "so easy for program vets to use their experience as an excuse for their pathetic shortcomings in life" not all program vets, but a few I know, self included though not mentioned. I too have been that crippled broken down lame ass fucker that has blamed the fucking program for everything from stubbing my toe to the car with dark windows parked across the street. I was not referring to myself when I made my initial post to PAs wife. Whether I refer to myself or my homeboys that have suffered through the same shit is my perogative as the composer of the post. Since I did mention the fact that it's easy for some vets to choose to play the role of a victim, I knew kneejerks would happen and people would shred my post. Hence my closing sentence.
I do choose not to continue to be victimized by STRAIGHT daily as I mentioned. Some days it works for me, some days it doesn't. I'm not judging anyone nor am I being condescending.
I just have to say that I don't know anyone named Kim. Webdiva it sounds like you lit a torch to start some sort of witchhunt against someone that may have somehow possibly understood something in what I had to say to PAs wife.
I also have to ask you webdiva where in the fuck were you reading about pedophilia in any of my posts? How in the fuck did this go from the whether or not a person can really make a decision not to allow the continued daily dramatic victimization by STRAIGHT to pedophilia? I missed something.
Words have been so completely twisted around and what is seen now is only the twist. Misunderstood by some of the few that could even begin to understand. Venomous and all too familiar...
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Call me masochistic but I can't help but to beat the hornets nest like it was a fucking pinata one more time.
You obviously have never met anyone that has overplayed the role of some crippled broken down lame ass fucker because of $tr8. I'm talking about the daily decision to continue to play the dramatic role of the victim in all regards. I have met these folks, in my own neighborhood from my own program! That isn't my 'condescending judgement' of these guys either. These are my homeboys that I have known for decades that I eat, drink, and smoke with as I mentioned. The way I stated that was: "so easy for program vets to use their experience as an excuse for their pathetic shortcomings in life" not all program vets, but a few I know, self included though not mentioned. I too have been that crippled broken down lame ass fucker that has blamed the fucking program for everything from stubbing my toe to the car with dark windows parked across the street. I was not referring to myself when I made my initial post to PAs wife. Whether I refer to myself or my homeboys that have suffered through the same shit is my perogative as the composer of the post. Since I did mention the fact that it's easy for some vets to choose to play the role of a victim, I knew kneejerks would happen and people would shred my post. Hence my closing sentence.
Well ok, then. Thanks for clarfying your statement.
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I just have to say that I don't know anyone named Kim. Webdiva it sounds like you lit a torch to start some sort of witchhunt against someone that may have somehow possibly understood something in what I had to say to PAs wife.
I also have to ask you webdiva where in the fuck were you reading about pedophilia in any of my posts? How in the fuck did this go from the whether or not a person can really make a decision not to allow the continued daily dramatic victimization by STRAIGHT to pedophilia?
i used the wrong name didn't mean kim, my bad. and no i didnt light anything lol... and i know Valhalla well... but think what you will its all good. i know what i need to know.
and the pedophile thing obviously you missed it. There were kids in straight raped by adults. Does that help? My point was therefore some had it worse then you. One of these straight raping pedophiles knew my family personally and used to apprehend kids and bring them back to straight.
I pointed out the fact that i could understand someone wanting to blow their fucking head off after being raped, once if not twice, and being told BY straight they deserved it etc. Straight, systematically KILLED my brother. They are absolutely 100% to blame for his death even though he "killed himself". Was simply trying to give you a bit of perspective, but yeah apparently you missed that.
hope that helps clarify a bit why i brought it up, it was never to imply anything about you just point out everyones experience was different and not everyone who took their life, necessarily choose to. as hard as that is to conceive, I believe it to be true.
Signed
Proud Kneejerk in training
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yes everyones experience was different and although you didn't have to actually be in one of these programs to be effected by it, there's a big difference in being in one and being a family member on the outside looking in. I'm sorry for the loss of your brother but the op had every right to post about their own experience whether you or anyone else liked it or not.
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yes everyones experience was different and although you didn't have to actually be in one of these programs to be effected by it, there's a big difference in being in one and being a family member on the outside looking in. I'm sorry for the loss of your brother but the op had every right to post about their own experience whether you or anyone else liked it or not.
I never said anyone didnt have a right... so dont put words in my mouth, i have a right to disagree. aStraight changed my life forever, who cares ifi was in there or not... it ruined any chance i have of ever having a family, or a father, or a brother. it ruined lives of good friends of mine. I have insight most parents and siblings dont because of my friends who were in there and have chosen to share with me their experience as well as my brothers. I have a unique perspective and im thankful for that. I really dont have time to weigh diFferences, who cares, it's not about that. That is not going to prevent further abuse in our country. That's what I'm about.
Not sure what point you're trying to make. this is a forum everyone has the RIGHT to say what the hell they want. Otherwise why have a forum? Maybe you should choose your words a bit wiser... i never implied such a thing. I have just as much right to react as he has to post. :roll: :roll: :roll:
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yes everyones experience was different and although you didn't have to actually be in one of these programs to be effected by it, there's a big difference in being in one and being a family member on the outside looking in. I'm sorry for the loss of your brother but the op had every right to post about their own experience whether you or anyone else liked it or not.
I never said anyone didnt have a right... so dont put words in my mouth, i have a right to disagree. aStraight changed my life forever, who cares ifi was in there or not... it ruined any chance i have of ever having a family, or a father, or a brother. it ruined lives of good friends of mine. I have insight most parents and siblings dont because of my friends who were in there and have chosen to share with me their experience as well as my brothers. I have a unique perspective and im thankful for that. I really dont have time to weigh diFferences, who cares, it's not about that. That is not going to prevent further abuse in our country. That's what I'm about.
Not sure what point you're trying to make. this is a forum everyone has the RIGHT to say what the hell they want. Otherwise why have a forum? Maybe you should choose your words a bit wiser... i never implied such a thing. I have just as much right to react as he has to post. :roll: :roll: :roll:
And maybe you should follow your own advice of choosing your words more wisely. Go back and read some of what you wrote, you did a little more than just disagree. I wasn't trying to put words in your mouth either as it's obvious that you have no need of help when it comes to talking :roll:
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I'm sorry for the loss of your brother but the op had every right to post about their own experience whether you or anyone else liked it or not.
Technically the OP was Powerful Attitude (not Guest).
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I'm sorry for the loss of your brother but the op had every right to post about their own experience whether you or anyone else liked it or not.
Technically the OP was Powerful Attitude (not Guest).
Sorry I was not more clear, thanks for pointing that out Frod. Not talking about the person that started this thread but the person that made the post that started all the debate. THAT person was the one I was referring to, but it does not matter one way or the other. This isn't group anymore and to say that someone would have made a good staff member simply because you don't like what they have written is more like being in group than anything that other person wrote. Jesus christ you guys, we have all been through enough shit, why is there still the need to continue that cycle even now?
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I'm sorry for the loss of your brother but the op had every right to post about their own experience whether you or anyone else liked it or not.
Technically the OP was Powerful Attitude (not Guest).
Sorry I was not more clear, thanks for pointing that out Frod. Not talking about the person that started this thread but the person that made the post that started all the debate. THAT person was the one I was referring to, but it does not matter one way or the other. This isn't group anymore and to say that someone would have made a good staff member simply because you don't like what they have written is more like being in group than anything that other person wrote. Jesus christ you guys, we have all been through enough shit, why is there still the need to continue that cycle even now?
exactly, just as one shouldn't tell people they are somehow stepping out of bounds for replying to something they took offense at especially if it doesn't involve you. Yet you have that right. so be it. Why do you really care what cycle (from your perspective) people are continuing. plenty of people are still dealing, let them.
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because you don't like what they have written is more like being in group than anything that other person wrote. Jesus christ you guys, we have all been through enough shit, why is there still the need to continue that cycle even now?
what the hell are you smoking. how does someone having the freedom to disagree with a post and choosing to express that have anything to do with being in group? if you choose to look at everything from that perspective maybe so but um no, i was offended by the comment I chose to express that and well not much of that has to do with you. just as you have the right to make comments like the one above which has very little to do with the topic at hand. Your perspective on it having to do with group is a bit of a stretch.
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And maybe you should follow your own advice of choosing your words more wisely. Go back and read some of what you wrote, you did a little more than just disagree.
um and?? What does that have to do with you? lol
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op had every right to post about their own experience whether you or anyone else liked it or not.
and i had the right to post a bitchy reply whether you or anyone else liked it...
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And I have the right to tell you all to shut the fuck up and have a seat! :flame:
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And I have the right to tell you all to shut the fuck up and have a seat! :flame:
(http://http://alanhale.com/skipper.jpg)
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op had every right to post about their own experience whether you or anyone else liked it or not.
and i had the right to post a bitchy reply whether you or anyone else liked it...
Bitchy is an understatement. Granted last week was a tough one for you, but this week, too? Maybe you are just a fucking bitch by nature. This thread reflects how you tend to sling shit at people, even people you know, that doesn't share your point of view.
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op had every right to post about their own experience whether you or anyone else liked it or not.
and i had the right to post a bitchy reply whether you or anyone else liked it...
Bitchy is an understatement. Granted last week was a tough one for you, but this week, too? Maybe you are just a fucking bitch by nature. This thread reflects how you tend to sling shit at people, even people you know, that doesn't share your point of view.
lol good one.. easy for a guest to say too. anyway no im not fucking w/ people by nature. I help w/ this forum to move forward a cause and stop institutionalized child abuse. And believe it or not i apologized to those i know for what i felt was necessary to apologize for. *shocker*
so one thread basically reflects me, my character, my integrity wow i wish i had known that i would have shown you all the heart felt threads where i didn't rip people a new asshole. As if people can't have a bad day, or week, as if people can't over react. Give me a break, get over yourself. There are bigger things to worry about then to continue to yammer on this thread about basically nothing. Obviously YOU just have an issue w/ me and what i said. And frankly my dear, I don't give a damn.
Have a great day! :wstupid: :wave: :wstupid:
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op had every right to post about their own experience whether you or anyone else liked it or not.
and i had the right to post a bitchy reply whether you or anyone else liked it...
Bitchy is an understatement. Granted last week was a tough one for you, but this week, too? Maybe you are just a fucking bitch by nature. This thread reflects how you tend to sling shit at people, even people you know, that doesn't share your point of view.
lol good one.. easy for a guest to say too. anyway no im not fucking w/ people by nature. I help w/ this forum to move forward a cause and stop institutionalized child abuse. And believe it or not i apologized to those i know for what i felt was necessary to apologize for. *shocker*
so one thread basically reflects me, my character, my integrity wow i wish i had known that i would have shown you all the heart felt threads where i didn't rip people a new asshole. As if people can't have a bad day, or week, as if people can't over react. Give me a break, get over yourself. There are bigger things to worry about then to continue to yammer on this thread about basically nothing. Obviously YOU just have an issue w/ me and what i said. And frankly my dear, I don't give a damn.
Have a great day! :wstupid: :wave: :wstupid:
the quote from the Gone With The Wind is my Favorite!!!!
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op had every right to post about their own experience whether you or anyone else liked it or not.
and i had the right to post a bitchy reply whether you or anyone else liked it...
Bitchy is an understatement. Granted last week was a tough one for you, but this week, too? Maybe you are just a fucking bitch by nature. This thread reflects how you tend to sling shit at people, even people you know, that doesn't share your point of view.
lol good one.. easy for a guest to say too. anyway no im not fucking w/ people by nature. I help w/ this forum to move forward a cause and stop institutionalized child abuse. And believe it or not i apologized to those i know for what i felt was necessary to apologize for. *shocker*
so one thread basically reflects me, my character, my integrity wow i wish i had known that i would have shown you all the heart felt threads where i didn't rip people a new asshole. As if people can't have a bad day, or week, as if people can't over react. Give me a break, get over yourself. There are bigger things to worry about then to continue to yammer on this thread about basically nothing. Obviously YOU just have an issue w/ me and what i said. And frankly my dear, I don't give a damn.
Have a great day! :wstupid: :wave: :wstupid:
the quote from the Gone With The Wind is my Favorite!!!!
I don't know nothing about birthing no babies!!!
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Obviously YOU just have an issue w/ me and what i said. And frankly my dear, I don't give a damn.
Have a great day! :wstupid: :wave: :wstupid:
the quote from the Gone With The Wind is my Favorite!!!!
i must say i am filled with glee when i am actually able to use that quote somewhat in context! lol
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i must say i am filled with glee when i am actually able to use that quote somewhat in context! lol
I wanna join the glee club... 'cause I'm filled with guhlee..
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Have a great day! :wstupid: :wave: :wstupid:
the quote from the Gone With The Wind is my Favorite!!!!
I don't know nothing about birthing no babies!!!
Let us not forget this gem!
"As God is my witness, I'll never be hungry again!"
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i must say i am filled with glee when i am actually able to use that quote somewhat in context! lol
I wanna join the glee club... 'cause I'm filled with guhlee..
Here's a list! Now go forth and join w/ Glee! (http://http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_collegiate_glee_clubs)