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General Interest => Open Free for All => Topic started by: Anonymous on December 17, 2009, 05:46:21 PM
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I want to know how this actualy sold. Who the hell looked at these people, and thought, "I wann' be like that"!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rZlhIDqBA90 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rZlhIDqBA90)
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Yep. They all liked to call that pedophile "Dad" (aka David Berg).
YouTube user mayoDVD (http://http://www.youtube.com/user/mayoDVD) has a small "mission" going on where he films people witnessing for the Family International or fishing for converts (or has a friend film him).
Here's one with a toned down version of what Children of God called "flirty fishing" (FF):
The Family International, Free Hugs. all children are of God
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pE33RDAEYwo (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pE33RDAEYwo)[/list]
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I want to know how this actualy sold. Who the hell looked at these people, and thought, "I wann' be like that"!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rZlhIDqBA90 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rZlhIDqBA90)
Certainly this would not have been for sale, or for wide distribution. The video was made for "Dad" specifically, and probably was only originally viewed by Berg and his inner circle. That's why these women are singing to him. The Family colonies around the world used to frequently send Berg videotaped greetings like this one, and It would not have been GP. In other words, it was made by members of the cult, for the leader of the cult. This video was part of a large cache of Family materials that was smuggled out of the Philippines by one Ed Priebe, in 1992, and then made available to the public.
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Here's another one for "Dad" that'll be sure to stick in your craw. Not noted in the clip's description is that shortly prior to the discussion of "sharing," the stepmother reports that she has also engaged in "some FF," like any good female disciple in the service of God should, at least according to David Berg. Note the camera's POV, clearly focused on... er... well, 'nuff said or implied, lol! I'm guessing that was in attempt to please or curry favor with "Dad."
Cult member's Report to leaders
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bKkJ1xFnZmY (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bKkJ1xFnZmY)
A video report to cult leaders David Berg and Karen Zerby from a couple in Australia and their son. In the video, a father reports that two children have shared sexually with their stepmother, Sally. An excerpt of this video was featured on 60 Minutes Australia: Sinful Acts. See http://www.xfamily.org (http://www.xfamily.org) for more on this cult.[/list]
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I didn't mean selling the video or the song.
I meant "selling " the concept of the family itself.
These people look like complete dorks!
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it's not funny, there's nothing funny about this cult, Ursus. The Family is one of the most destructive and generally evil groups in all of American religious history, second only to the COS in terms of the damage done to present, second-generation, and former members. The Family is a cult in which the sexual abuse of children forms a part of the very core of their theology; it's basically a highly sexualized, quasi-Christian cult made up of of a bunch of fugitive pedophiles and their second-and-third generation kids leading the WS and CRO units. Do you realize that? And then you've got the "Loving Jesus" doctrine. Sickening. This cult is perverse in every sense, and Zerby and Kelly make me want to vomit.
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I meant "selling " the concept of the family itself.
At some point in the 1960s, David Berg switched from mainstream preaching to targeting "counter culture" people who were "searching" for something or, at the very least, were not rooted in the status quo or a staid routine. His favorite group was the hippies. His schtick / selling point was that mainstream culture, including mainstream church culture, was full of phoniness and hypocrisy.
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it's not funny, there's nothing funny about this cult, Ursus. The Family is one of the most destructive and generally evil groups in all of American religious history, second only to the COS in terms of the damage done to present, second-generation, and former members. The Family is a cult in which the sexual abuse of children forms a part of the very core of their theology; it's basically a highly sexualized, quasi-Christian cult made up of of a bunch of fugitive pedophiles and their second-and-third generation kids leading the WS and CRO units. Do you realize that? And then you've got the "Loving Jesus" doctrine. Sickening. This cult is perverse in every sense, and Zerby and Kelly make me want to vomit.
I fully concur with all of that, SEKTO. You misread my gallows humor (http://http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gallows_humor).
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No laughing matter at all, my friend. There are some things that you just don't joke about. This is an evil, evil group.
Watch this if you really want to know more about the early history of the COG/Family:
http://www.xfamily.org/index.php/The_Lo ... ren_of_God (http://www.xfamily.org/index.php/The_Love_Prophet_and_the_Children_of_God)
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??? I'm afraid that I don't get where you are coming from. Brainwashed? Me?
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Okay, while we’re reenacting and all. I suppose it’s been told that a pull up on one of my peers comes with the threat of my feedback.
Irreverence aside, I can see where SEKTO is coming from on this topic. From the tone of the OP it was a topic I had hoped he would avoid. He has a knowledge and expertise of quite a few cultic organizations, this one in particular.
This is a nasty group of deluded kid fuckers and the people who were born into this cult were born into a hell being called their family and their salvation. In addition to having their minds fucked with and their bodies used, this trying life they’ve inherited has burdened them with all that comes with a trauma history and the additional twist of causing lasting damage to their spiritual selves.
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Okay, while we’re reenacting and all. I suppose it’s been told that a pull up on one of my peers comes with the threat of my feedback.
Irreverence aside, I can see where SEKTO is coming from on this topic. From the tone of the OP it was a topic I had hoped he would avoid. He has a knowledge and expertise of quite a few cultic organizations, this one in particular.
This is a nasty group of deluded kid fuckers and the people who were born into this cult were born into a hell being called their family and their salvation. In addition to having their minds fucked with and their bodies used, this trying life they’ve inherited has burdened them with all that comes with a trauma history and the additional twist of causing lasting damage to their spiritual selves.
i cant see where anyone has voiced any problem with THAT. (so far!)
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Ricky Rodriguez was raised to believe he was the future of the children of god. (http://http://xfamily.org/index.php/San_Francisco_Chronicle:_Murder-suicide_case_in_desert_evangelical_sex_cult)
Rather than live with that,he died for their sins. (http://http://abcnews.go.com/Nightline/story?id=3797272&page=1)
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SETKO, slow your roll you brainwashed motherfucker!
Cut down on the Adderall, you are getting really irratable.
You are now being brainwashed by the psych industry.
Take your Labels and excuses elsewhere.
Save yourself, before you decide to save the world.
*You have been chosen to recieve my random confrontational attack therapy for today!
Jeez! Eliscu2, a little over the edge and harsh. You sound like a member of that cult! Maybe you should lay off the meth so you aren't so "iratable" and maybe learn to spell while you're at it.
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No, she does not sound like a member of COG, those fuckers. If she found herself in the midst
of one of their gatherings there would be a reckoning visited upon them like ???????? had wrought it.
*She did note that this was a random confrontational attack therapy. I blame Pfizer.
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Guest wrote:
Eliscu2 wrote:
SETKO, slow your roll you brainwashed motherfucker!
Cut down on the Adderall, you are getting really irratable.
You are now being brainwashed by the psych industry.
Take your Labels and excuses elsewhere.
Save yourself, before you decide to save the world.
*You have been chosen to recieve my random confrontational attack therapy for today!
Jeez! Eliscu2, a little over the edge and harsh. You sound like a member of that cult! Maybe you should lay off the meth so you aren't so "iratable" and maybe learn to spell while you're at it.
You spell like shit too!!!
Well nanny, nanny boo boo, aren't we mature! You think "iratable" is spelled with 2 r's? Sorry I misquoted you. You did spell it "irRatable" instead of "iratable". Its IRRITABLE, just like yourself. Is that little spinning monkey your brain? Like I said: might want to take a break from the hard stuff for a while.
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??? I'm afraid that I don't get where you are coming from. Brainwashed? Me?
Yes, Kool-Aid comes in many flavors.
If you identify with the DSM, and think that you are not sipping some other flavor of programming, check again.
Eliscu, that's an informed choice, not programming. The only reason why I disapprove of some of what the pharmaceutical industry does is their attempts to eliminate competition. People should have the right to choose (whatever drugs or none at all) and they're not necessarily brainwashed if they put stock in the DSM or psychiatric drugs. Drugs themselves or a textbook does not "brainwash".
http://www.factnet.org/Thought_Reform_E ... #Continuum (http://www.factnet.org/Thought_Reform_Exists.htm#Continuum)
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:rofl: You spell like shit too!!!
Your sentence structure is excellent. ::)
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Well nanny, nanny boo boo, aren't we mature!
Spell-Nazis are in NO position to be talking about "maturity." ::)
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:rofl: You spell like shit too!!!
Your sentence structure is excellent. ::)
I agree. Great sentence! :twofinger:
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Spell-Nazis are in NO position to be talking about "maturity."
I underlined two mistakes for you.
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After watching the love prophet documentary, I'm brought back to my original thought.
PEOPLE MUST LIKE BEING SHEEP!
People were not sent into that cult against thier will. They were willing to "drink the koolaid", after day 1.
What some guys won't do for sex.
I guess it's just so much easier to let someone else think for you , even when you KNOW they are wrong.
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Shut up fucktard. Some people were born into that world of shit and kept there by ass-holes. What some pedophiles won’t do to get kids…is what that is. You dumb shit.
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SETKO, slow your roll you brainwashed motherfucker!
Cut down on the Adderall, you are getting really irratable.
You are now being brainwashed by the psych industry.
Take your Labels and excuses elsewhere.
Save yourself, before you decide to save the world.
*You have been chosen to recieve my random confrontational attack therapy for today!
Jeez! Eliscu2, a little over the edge and harsh. You sound like a member of that cult! Maybe you should lay off the meth so you aren't so "iratable" and maybe learn to spell while you're at it.
Thank you for having my back, Inculcated. The Family is a horrible, evil cult.
Over the edge and harsh, yes, I agree. But sounding like a member of the cult, no. Anyway, chill out, Eliscu. Don't be a hater.
Save yourself, before you decide to save the world.
OK, so if we're using that logic, then why should fornits exist to try and expose and undermine the TTI? Why should any of us bother with participating here? Shouldn't we, all of us here, just be worrying about ourselves? Why should I give a damn about the general welfare of anybody other than myself? Why engage in any sort of prosocial activity at all?
For the record, I don't put a whole lot more stock in the DSM than do you, truth be told. The DSM exists more for the insurance companies (who use it for coding and billing purposes) than it does for the medical professionals who use it as a diagnostic tool. so it's a pretty reliable diagnostic tool (in the sense of being consistent), but not a terribly valid one (in the sense of being truthful) because so many of the diagnostic criteria overlap. Sure, I realize that.
Brainwashed by the psych industry my foot. You don't know me. At least I am doing something with my life now, am moving forward and am being productive and successful in my endeavors, instead of sitting around getting stoned all day like I used to do. I am attending a fine university, am a full-time student of Social Psychology and for what it's worth, this last semester I earned all As.
But maybe you're right, Elisu; maybe I should stop the therapy sessions and anxiety meds and become a pothead again. Probably I'd be much better off that way. (rolls eyes) Yeah, that's the ticket!
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Well "all righty then"....both of you are really saying the same thing.....dig it..
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SEKTO, I did see your point at the points where I posted on the thread. That which you have quoted above does not come from me.
Certainly, you have differences of opinion. There’s also a good deal of like mindedness.This discussion could be had in a very different way.
Personally, I vacillate on the topic of medications whether they’re illicit or prescribed and I’m still searching out what’s right for me. Inculcated un-medicated is rage prone and marijuana has been morphed into something I can’t tolerate well. The benefits others get out of it sound lovely, but for me it’s a mind numbing existential couch odyssey...worsened by my attempts to explain (Tell someone there’s a spider named Willis in the brain and they’ll think you’ve lost your damn mind, when in fact you have not.) Then, I decide it’s scary that my brain is thinking about my brain and I want it to stop. Eventually,I look over at myself and wonder how I got over here. PCP was less stressful for me than THC. I’ve felt weirder than from either of them with and without ‘scripts. Still that doesn’t give me any ideas about what's indicated for anyone else.
Both of you just quit the charade Ursus is going to find out about your torrid little affair at some point anyway.
I’m going to blog off topic because the tone of this thread blows IMO.
I went to dinner tonight at this place where everyone dines in pitch blackness. The servers are all blind. Pretty much everyone else who works there is sighted. It was absolute darkness. This was not simply a dimly lit atmosphere; it was void space lack of light. It was cool for the most part. The sensation of guessing at the amuse bouche was a little dicey as was figuring out where anything on the table even was. We even played this stereognosis game by reaching into a bag and guessing what these little toys were. It was fun. That is until a little blue flash appeared near the person seated across from me. I was able to laugh and feel relief that I was not the only one who saw it. Suddenly, I didn’t want to be there anymore and I just had to be outside. Static electricity freaked me out, pathetic. I managed to try and make my hasty departure somewhat graceful and did feel and incredible sense of relief (followed by chagrin) once I was in the open air. I’m at this point upset that I became so upset.
I don’t know. Maybe, I was tired.
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Thanx for sharing Inc.
(jeez. what a thread kill)
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Do me a favor, Eliscu. Before you pop off with another self-justifying response on this board, why don't you take a little time to think things over. If you are honest with yourself, then I think you will see that you do not have anything here to take a stand about. This whole thing began with an unprovoked attack by you upon me. You are very much in the wrong, and as far as I am concerned you owe me an apology for calling me a "brainwashed motherfucker." No hard feelings though.
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you owe me an apology for calling me a "brainwashed motherfucker."
I totally agree. It seems thoughout history there is an inflection point where the oppressed can either become the oppressor or choose to fight it. Its pretty ugly when the abused choose to become abusive themselves and it destroys their credibility and any sympathy one might feel.
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Yeah, well, I'm not holding my breath.
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But maybe you're right, Elisu; maybe I should stop the therapy sessions and anxiety meds and become a pothead again. Probably I'd be much better off that way. (rolls eyes) Yeah, that's the ticket!
In her defense, it does work for many. I realize Inclucated had had some bad experiences being "couch" prone while on it but perhaps she's using the wrong strain (Indica, rather than Sativa).
@Inculcated: if you have a club card, ask for a Sativa strain rather than an Indica and see how that turns out. Indicas are notorous for creating the "couch" phenomenon you speak of while Sativas tend to give people more energy.
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Do me a favor, Eliscu. Before you pop off with another self-justifying response on this board, why don't you take a little time to think things over. If you are honest with yourself, then I think you will see that you do not have anything here to take a stand about. This whole thing began with an unprovoked attack by you upon me. You are very much in the wrong, and as far as I am concerned you owe me an apology for calling me a "brainwashed motherfucker." No hard feelings though.
I am sorry SETKO.
I was in one of those strange moods that day and I had no right to take it out on you.
It will not happen again.
Thank you for forgiving me. :peace:
Enjoy the Holidays!
Felice
Love you, Felice.....
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Do me a favor, Eliscu. Before you pop off with another self-justifying response on this board, why don't you take a little time to think things over. If you are honest with yourself, then I think you will see that you do not have anything here to take a stand about. This whole thing began with an unprovoked attack by you upon me. You are very much in the wrong, and as far as I am concerned you owe me an apology for calling me a "brainwashed motherfucker." No hard feelings though.
Felice has done this several times on fornits. She would not have apologized if you didn't confront her. This is sad.
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^^posted by sekto or inculcated. they just cant let it go
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What are you looking for here? Should she be busted down to pots n’ pans and subjected to a grueling LE?
Did you miss the part where the matter was resolved in a genuine human warmth kind of way, with grace and honesty?
Put the torch down troll, witch burning firesides aren’t necessary.
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What are you looking for here? Should she be busted down to pots n’ pans and subjected to a grueling LE?
Did you miss the part where the matter was resolved in a genuine human warmth kind of way, with grace and honesty?
Put the torch down troll, witch burning firesides aren’t necessary.
Thank You Inculcated, could not have said it more effectively. Now can we play nice again, (anybody else have a resentment that has not been heard in the universe ??).......AYE!!!.......OK ......3 days before Christmas and all the good boys and girls were sitting around smoking big fat.......oh I'm soorry wrong site...LOL Love and Peace Danny
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Do me a favor, Eliscu. Before you pop off with another self-justifying response on this board, why don't you take a little time to think things over. If you are honest with yourself, then I think you will see that you do not have anything here to take a stand about. This whole thing began with an unprovoked attack by you upon me. You are very much in the wrong, and as far as I am concerned you owe me an apology for calling me a "brainwashed motherfucker." No hard feelings though.
I am sorry SETKO.
I was in one of those strange moods that day and I had no right to take it out on you.
It will not happen again.
Thank you for forgiving me. :peace:
Enjoy the Holidays!
Felice
Forgiven and forgotten, Eliscu. Peace be upon you.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RChR5DKgY_Y (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RChR5DKgY_Y)
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Against the advice of my friend, I came here to this thread in the first place to write about the Family (a cult that I happen to know a thing or two about), and not to parry about with trolls.
This is one of the most despicable, damnable groups that is presently operating in this country, and internationally as well.
The Family and the COS, they in my opinion are the most destructive and generally evil cult organizations around.
David "Moses" Berg (whom they believe to be God's end-time prophet) glorified sex and sexuality on a level that was practically beyond understanding, and was involved in all manner of sexual deviancy.
Pedophilia and incest were and are par for the course in this cult, form part of the core of their belief system, and was and is incorporated into their worship.
When it comes to the Family, I take the matter seriously and personally. This is one thing that I just do not joke around about.
Here are some examples of Family publications in which the elevation of sex to some spiritual pastime is evidenced. Only look if you can stomach it. Not for the faint of heart.
http://www.xfamily.org/index.php?title= ... 0609220254 (http://www.xfamily.org/index.php?title=File:Little_Girl_Dream_Cover.jpg&filetimestamp=20050609220254)
http://www.xfamily.org/index.php?title= ... 1114021257 (http://www.xfamily.org/index.php?title=File:Ml-902-cover.jpg&filetimestamp=20051114021257)
http://www.xfamily.org/index.php/Category:Family_Art (http://www.xfamily.org/index.php/Category:Family_Art)
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That is so sick but I'm glad you brought it to our attention.
In an historical sense The Family is not alone in it attitude toward pedophelia and incest although they carry it to extremes:
We have the Bible that tells of Job having sex with his two daughters (after having fled their town where he had offered them up to a beligerant crowd) and many examples of inter "marrying".
We have fundamentalist Mormons who "marry" off their children to sect elders in order to curry favor with the powers that be. They do the same thing in middle eastern countries and we have ancient Egyptian royals marrying thier siblings and European royals marrying cousins. Then there is always female genital mutilation practised in many Muslim countries. In Synanon, Jonestown, the Branch Dividians and various other cults continuing to spring up It always seems to boil down to some sickos convincing the sheep that the road to salvation is through allowing them to control everyone else's sexuality and/or reproductive powers. Its crazy and sick. No wonder there are so many screwed people in the world. Its time for the sheep of the world to arise and put an end to this crap.
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http://www.xfamily.org/index.php/The_Reboot_Series (http://www.xfamily.org/index.php/The_Reboot_Series)
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Danny Bennison is a pedophile and abuser.
There is indisputable evidence