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Title: Summary: Devastating Indictment of TheWho
Post by: Troll Control on November 30, 2009, 03:01:05 PM
Here's the devasting indictment of TheWho which absolutely shreds his credibility, complete with quotes and links proving beyond a doubt that TheWho is an unmitigated liar.  Dialogue picks up where Whooter claims the OP cannot prove even the first statement about him, but the OP goes on to prove every one of them:

Quote from: "Guest"
Heck, I'll just go for all of them to save time.

Rebuttal section:

Quote from: "Guest"
Let's keep it short and go over just Whooter's lies from this thread.

Lie #1:  Whooter claims he never went to Chicago for a TTI meeting.
Truth #1:  Whooter had already bragged about it two years ago, but must have forgotten
and was quoted saying he did indeed go to Chicago for a TTI meeting.  This was proven
over Whooter's denials by simply quoting the post where he already admitted it.

Whooter, in his own words, admits to the trip he was just denying. (http://http://www.fornits.com/phpbb/viewtopic.php?f=9&t=16007&p=245433&hilit=+chicago#p245433)

Quote from: "Guest"
Lie #2:  Whooter claims to be just a "regular parent with no ties to

the industry."

Truth #2:  Whooter already admitted he was part of a "statistical group to assess TBS
safety" that met in Chicago.  This was proven over Whooter's denials by simply quoting
the post where he already admitted it.

TheWho admitting to being an industry player and saying TBS "is where the money's at." (http://http://www.fornits.com/phpbb/viewtopic.php?f=9&t=16007&hilit=chicago&start=1470#p245461)

Quote from: "Guest"
Lie #3:  Whooter claims not be John Reuben.
Truth #3:  whooter has contacted at least one parent from this forum and provided her
the email address "onekidatatime@yahoo.com" for her to contact him "outside of Fornits"
because "everyone here has an agenda to discredit programs."  The email address has
been verified to be that of John Reuben and is the admin email account at
savingteens.org.  This was proven by posting the original PM from TheWho to Concerned
Parent, which TheWho subsequently altered in a quote and copped to altering it when
called out.

TheWho's PM to Concerned Parent is posted in its entirety. (http://http://www.fornits.com/phpbb/viewtopic.php?f=7&t=29294&start=45#p351905)

Whois search for savingteens.org shows the email address Whooter provided belongs to John Reuben. (http://http://whois.domaintools.com/savingteens.org)


Quote from: "Guest"
Lie #4:  RobertBruce is "Concerned Parent."
Truth #4:  Whooter dropped this claim and went on to blame someone else for being
"Concerned Parent."  Interestingly enough, Whooter has actually claimed to BE
RobertBruce many times and later copped to fabricating at least one "lookalike"
RobertBruce login to try to impersonate him (the login he admitted to creating "for
fun" was 'RobertBruce .' with a space and a period at the end).

Whooter begins his claim that RobertBruce is "Concerned Parent." (http://http://www.fornits.com/phpbb/viewtopic.php?f=48&t=29342#p351931)

Whooter continues to hammer at the meme "Concerned Parent is RobertBruce" without a shred of evidence to suggest that. (http://http://www.fornits.com/phpbb/viewtopic.php?f=48&t=29342&start=15#p352016)

...and hammering it some more... (http://http://www.fornits.com/phpbb/viewtopic.php?f=48&t=29342&start=45#p352455)

Quote from: "Guest"
Lie #5:  Ajax13 is "Concerned Parent."
Truth #5:  Ajax13 is not Concerned Parent, but Whooter clings to this meme like a life
raft anyway.

Here we have Whooter denying being himself, posting as "Dick Cheney" claiming Ajax13 and not RobertBruce "fabricated the PM." (http://http://www.fornits.com/phpbb/viewtopic.php?f=48&t=29342&start=75#p352505)

Quote from: "Guest"
Lie #6:  Ajax13 AND RobertBruce are "Concerned Parent."
Truth #6:  Both are provably NOT "Concerned Parent."  Whooter seems to have dropped
this notion now because obviously they both couldn't be "Concerned Parent" at the same
time, but that simple logic didn't stop him from floating it to distract from the
conversation.

Here Whooter claims both RobertBruce and Ajax13 are "Concerned Parent."  Now he's veering all over the place grasping at straws with no proof. (http://http://www.fornits.com/phpbb/viewtopic.php?f=48&t=29342&start=75#p352499)

Quote from: "Guest"
Lie #7:  Whooter claimed to have no criminal record when
confronted.

Truth #7:  Whooter had already admitted years ago, on this board, that he was "arrested
several times in Boston and once in Ann Arbor Michigan."

Whooter admitting to being arrested "many times in Boston" and elsewhere. (http://http://www.fornits.com/phpbb/viewtopic.php?f=9&t=23338&p=284895&hilit=+arrest#p284895)

Quote from: "Guest"
Lie #8:  Whooter claims not to have lied at all.
Truth #8:  Whooter has been caught lying like a rug using only his own posts and PMs as
evidence of the lies.  Essentially, he lied about everything, then had to walk it all
back piece by piece as he was caught again and again.  Now the only thing from the
above list he won't cop to is being Reuben, but considering he lied about and was
proven lying about the rest of the items in this thread, his  assertion is just him
howling from being bitten so badly.

No link required, see above.  ; )

Quote from: "Guest"
So, that's 8 full-fledged, lie-through-your-teeth prevarications
offered by TheWho in just this single thread.
 People should believe him for what
reason now?

Sorry, Whooter, your lying chickens have come home to roost and nobody here believes
anything you say anymore.  Better luck next time.

Whooter has been fully owned yet again and busted out lying through his teeth yet
again.  Whooter, you better try something else, like going back to trolling with
endless emoticons to slow the page loading, because you are SO BUSTED in YOUR OWN WORDS
and you just can't hide anymore.  Your legacy here has cought up to you and just won't
go away.  Can't escape those facts, son.

What a smackdown, people!  Finally TheWho is held to account for all of his lies here.  He's very upset about it, too.
Title: Re: Summary: Devastating Indictment of TheWho
Post by: Troll Control on November 30, 2009, 03:07:00 PM
Dissatisfied at losing the argument again, Whooter demands more "proof" and was quoted saying "I wasn't there" (Chicago) and then quoted bragging about being there from two years prior.  Man, this guy is just too dumb to get out of his own way.  Rule #1:  When you're in a hole, stop digging!

Quote from: "Guest"
Quote from: "Guest"
Quote from: "Guest"

Well why dont you humor myself and the readers and take the first one and show us how you proved it:

Lie #1: Whooter claims he never went to Chicago for a TTI meeting.
Truth #1: Whooter had already bragged about it two years ago, but must have forgotten and was quoted saying he did indeed go to Chicago for a TTI meeting. This was proven over Whooter's denials by simply quoting the post where he already admitted it.

Nice try.  Now stick with the first question:

You say that I claim I never went to Chicago for a TTI meeting... First When was I asked this question and second what was my answer.  How did you conclude that I lied about anything?

Sure, I'll dumb it down for you just this once.

Whooter adamantly denying he was ever in Chicago, of course, a confirmed lie. (http://http://www.fornits.com/phpbb/viewtopic.php?f=7&t=29294&start=30#p351878)

Quote from: "TheWho"
You say both? You could probably document this Reuben guy as being there, but how do you place me there? You say you have documented evidence. Evidence would mean I was posting from Chicago at the same time this meeting took place. That may raise some eyebrows I would say. But you see you dont have that evidence because I wasnt there.

Underlined emphasis added by me...

Well, you just denied being there in that post.  But of course, as we all know, you were lying and exposed for it.  Here's the link where you admitted it two years ago:

Whooter, in his own words, admits to the trip he was just denying. (http://http://www.fornits.com/phpbb/viewtopic.php?f=9&t=16007&p=245433&hilit=+chicago#p245433)

Quote from: "TheWho"
Well, I PM?d several people here on fornits and eventually we formed a ?Statistical group? and decided to meet at the Hyatt in Chicago about a month ago. We spent 3 days hammering out a direction and figured we would tackle the TBS sector first.

Again, you are a proven liar.  We all know you do it, so why bother entertaining any more of your fallacious posts?  These are just quotes of you denying what you already said.  How dumb can you really be to think we wouldn't notice these lies???

Oh, the readers are humored, but I bet Whooter isn't.  Ha, Ha, Ha.
Title: Re: Summary: Devastating Indictment of TheWho
Post by: Troll Control on November 30, 2009, 03:55:14 PM
Wow!  TheWho got smoked!  ::OMG::
Title: Re: Summary: Devastating Indictment of TheWho
Post by: Troll Control on November 30, 2009, 07:56:01 PM
Oh, boy.  This quote probably goes further than any in the entire "indictment" of TheWho.  This one is a zinger.  You know how TheWho is always saying he "has no ties to the industry" or He's "just a regular parent"?  Well, he he is admitting otherwise:

Quote from: "TheWho"
Quote from: ""RobertBruce""
Oh no no no Cindy, you claimed there was a "long debate" and that it was decided that "we" were only going to look at TBS's as you define them.

Who specifically is "we"?

The debate was long, Bob...  many wanted to start with "Wilderness data" and I argued that the real money was in the TBS industry, so lets start there, although wilderness is usually the inital phase of any decent TBS.  So we went round and round....you, Bob have been a key player in collecting and presenting data on the entire industry and I have been focusing on small segments at a time.
I dont want to put names out there, people want to be anon's.

Whooter is evidently an expert on "where the money's at" in the Troubled Teen Industry.  Why would he try to pass himself off as something other than an industry guy?  That's not honest at all.
Title: Re: Summary: Devastating Indictment of TheWho
Post by: Troll Control on December 01, 2009, 01:02:57 PM
Drawing the logical conclusions/case summary:

Quote from: "Guest"
The preponderance of the evidence shows he lies a lot about a lot of things and he likely is John Reuben. The circumstantial evidence is overwhelming, the direct witness (TheWho) was proven to have been involved in TTI meetings and advising his peers "where the real money is, the TBS industry." These, again, are his own words, so he can't deny the fact. Coupled with the fact he has been proven beyond a shadow of a doubt, much less reasonable doubt or the preponderance of the evidence, to be an unmitigated liar closes the book on him. Forever. No matter how he backpedals now or how he tries to walk back what he said or how he tries to shift the focus, an impressive case with has been compiled with copious solid evidence.

We still haven't really discussed this part yet, but let's begin to examine when the Board of Advisors was formed at STICC and added to the website. We already established that STICC started fishing for its first placement in August, 2006. We already established that TheWho was at a TTI meeting in Chicago in December, 2006.

What I haven't yet revealed is that STICC's website was updated on December 30th, 2006 and in that update, the Board of Advisors was announced and posted on the website for the first time. This was a mere week after TheWho had admittedly met TTI players in Chicago. So it's pretty clear that he went to this IECA "professional development seminar" in December of 2006 in order to "develop professionally," i.e. establish a network whereby he could achieve his first placement with STICC and make some insider connections. So to speak, to "launch" his business, STICC, which until that time had failed to get off the ground (make a placement) in nearly four months of trying since STICC was awarded Department of Juvenile Justice funding to place state-mandated children into Aspen Programs.

The evidence is simply overwhelming.Guest
 
Title: Re: Summary: Devastating Indictment of TheWho
Post by: Anonymous on December 01, 2009, 01:30:14 PM
FUCK
Title: Re: Summary: Devastating Indictment of TheWho
Post by: Troll Control on December 07, 2009, 09:37:54 AM
*bump*  For educational purposes.
Title: Re: Summary: Devastating Indictment of TheWho
Post by: Whooter on December 07, 2009, 12:40:21 PM
So lets see where we stand with our anonymous guest:

I challenged him to go through each item on his list... lets take a look:

Our anonymous guest said :Link (http://http://www.fornits.com/phpbb/viewtopic.php?p=351895&sid=3105871840340deae57143bf734b8493&sid=3105871840340deae57143bf734b8493#p351895)
“you both took a trip to Chicago to meet with Lon Woodbury, Martha Kolbe and a host of other industry bogeymen just before STICC was launched.”
.......  Fact: STICC was launched in April of 2004
....... Fact: My post places me in Chicago January of 2007.

Conclusion:  Our anonymous guest was off by 3 years.
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Next our anonymous guest said: Link (http://http://www.fornits.com/phpbb/viewtopic.php?p=351905&sid=3105871840340deae57143bf734b8493&sid=3105871840340deae57143bf734b8493#p351905)

I also have a little PM exchange between you and me (using the login "Concerned Parent"). I wrote you a PM asking for info on ASR and you wrote me back to contact you privately at your email address:
PM Between TheWho and Concerned Parent from 2007 wrote:
Re: Is ASR a good program?
Sent: Fri Jun 06, 2007 1:07 pm
From: TheWho
To: Concerned Parent

Personally I think ASR is a good program. It worked for our family. My kid was there

when Dave Marcus wrote his book based on the kids in the program and they got back on

track and matured. I have been to the campus many times and think if it's a good fit

for your son that you shouldn't worry about it. Don't trust what you read on this site

because the members here are all anti-program and have an agenda to discredit all

programs. If you want to contact me outside fornits I can help you get in contact with

someone who can help you make the right decision. You can email me at

onekidatatime@yahoo.com. Good luck and I hope it all works out for you.


Going to deny this as well? I never called you out on it before, but I held onto it just in case you wanted to deny later that you said it.

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We all asked that the PM be authenticated, Psy offered to do the work.  But our anonymous guest declined.  I wonder why?

Can anyone guess why they wouldn’t want the PM authorized?
Title: Re: Summary: Devastating Indictment of TheWho
Post by: Troll Control on December 07, 2009, 01:09:14 PM
Since when does anyone need to have their PMs "authorized"?  That's a stupid statement from a stupid person.  I don't see how December 2006 to January 2007 is three years.  Funny math there, Whooter!  Why don't you have your personal information "authorized"?  

Thanks for reposting your PM though, even if youdidn't have it "authorized."  at least now everyone can see you give out Joh Reuben's email address while soliciting business.  Weird how you two have the same email address, huh?  i think we all see what's going on here, John, er, Whooter.
Title: Re: Summary: Devastating Indictment of TheWho
Post by: Troll Control on December 07, 2009, 01:12:50 PM
Funny, I just read through this whole thread and nowhere, ever, does it say anything about '2004" anywhere.  Whooter made that part up.  Read for yourself.  Start at the top and read through.  IT'S NOT THERE.  I think he snagged an anon quote from another thread and tried to pass it off as the OPs assertion, which it clearly isn't.  Whooter is just lying about it as usual.
Title: Re: Summary: Devastating Indictment of TheWho
Post by: Whooter on December 07, 2009, 01:36:57 PM
This may help:

STICC (http://HTTP://WWW.SAVINGTEENS.ORG/)
FIRST PARAGRAPH:
SAVING TEENS  In Crisis Collaborative (STICC) is a 501(c)(3) non-profit organization formed in April of 2004 to assist troubled teens and their families struggling with substance abuse and other emotional issues.
Title: Re: Summary: Devastating Indictment of TheWho
Post by: Whooter on December 07, 2009, 01:41:26 PM
Quote from: "Guest"
So lets see where we stand with our anonymous guest:

I challenged him to go through each item on his list... lets take a look:

Our anonymous guest said :Link (http://http://www.fornits.com/phpbb/viewtopic.php?p=351895&sid=d8b48a2414b03d0c24ae4dce403ff5c0&sid=d8b48a2414b03d0c24ae4dce403ff5c0#p351895)
“you both took a trip to Chicago to meet with Lon Woodbury, Martha Kolbe and a host of other industry bogeymen just before STICC was launched.”
.......  Fact: STICC was launched in April of 2004
....... Fact: My post places me in Chicago January of 2007.

Conclusion:  Our anonymous guest was off by 3 years.
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Next our anonymous guest said: Link (http://http://www.fornits.com/phpbb/viewtopic.php?p=351905&sid=d8b48a2414b03d0c24ae4dce403ff5c0&sid=d8b48a2414b03d0c24ae4dce403ff5c0#p351905)

I also have a little PM exchange between you and me (using the login "Concerned Parent"). I wrote you a PM asking for info on ASR and you wrote me back to contact you privately at your email address:
PM Between TheWho and Concerned Parent from 2007 wrote:
Re: Is ASR a good program?
Sent: Fri Jun 06, 2007 1:07 pm
From: TheWho
To: Concerned Parent

Personally I think ASR is a good program. It worked for our family. My kid was there

when Dave Marcus wrote his book based on the kids in the program and they got back on

track and matured. I have been to the campus many times and think if it's a good fit

for your son that you shouldn't worry about it. Don't trust what you read on this site

because the members here are all anti-program and have an agenda to discredit all

programs. If you want to contact me outside fornits I can help you get in contact with

someone who can help you make the right decision. You can email me at

onekidatatime@yahoo.com. Good luck and I hope it all works out for you.


Going to deny this as well? I never called you out on it before, but I held onto it just in case you wanted to deny later that you said it.

-----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
We all asked that the PM be authenticated, Psy offered to do the work.  But our anonymous guest declined.  I wonder why?

Can anyone guess why they wouldn’t want the PM authorized?


It would only make sense that the PM was made up.  Why else would he run away from having it authenticated?
Title: Re: Summary: Devastating Indictment of TheWho
Post by: Troll Control on December 07, 2009, 01:50:28 PM
What have you ever had "authenticated"?  Nothing.  You can solve the "mystery" yourself, but it's interesting to see you avoid it.  Let's authenticate your personal information first, and maybe the poster of that missive will agree to do the same.  That seems fair to me.  I'm sure she'll do it, but you first.  Lead by example and stop being a hypocrite.

Anyway, that's only a small piece of the puzzle.  Let's also authenticate your ties to the troubled teen industry.  Please tell the readers why you claim to be just a "regular" parent, but you go to TTI meetings 1200 miles from your home to discuss where the money's at in the TTI.  We're all ears.
Title: Re: Summary: Devastating Indictment of TheWho
Post by: Troll Control on December 07, 2009, 01:57:55 PM
Quote from: "Guest"
This may help:

STICC (http://HTTP://WWW.SAVINGTEENS.ORG/)
FIRST PARAGRAPH:
SAVING TEENS  In Crisis Collaborative (STICC) is a 501(c)(3) non-profit organization formed in April of 2004 to assist troubled teens and their families struggling with substance abuse and other emotional issues.

Great, but it has nothing to do with this thread.  Nowhere, ever, is the formation of STICC even mentioned.  Seems like you're just posting random information.  Nobody asked for it or mentioned it, but you seem to be trying to deflect from the questions.

Why did you travel 1200 miles from your home to host a TTI meeting and inform your TTI colleagues "where the real money is, the TBS industry"?  I'm sure you can see there's a huge disconnect between your actual behavior and your statement that you're just a "regular parent."  I think you weren't telling the truth.  Care to clear it up for us?  Or should we all just believe you're a liar, because they can't both be true.
Title: Re: Summary: Devastating Indictment of TheWho
Post by: Troll Control on December 07, 2009, 02:02:39 PM
Quote from: "Guest"
Oh, boy.  This quote probably goes further than any in the entire "indictment" of TheWho.  This one is a zinger.  You know how TheWho is always saying he "has no ties to the industry" or He's "just a regular parent"?  Well, he he is admitting otherwise:

Quote from: "TheWho"
Quote from: ""RobertBruce""
Oh no no no Cindy, you claimed there was a "long debate" and that it was decided that "we" were only going to look at TBS's as you define them.

Who specifically is "we"?

The debate was long, Bob...  many wanted to start with "Wilderness data" and I argued that the real money was in the TBS industry, so lets start there, although wilderness is usually the inital phase of any decent TBS.  So we went round and round....you, Bob have been a key player in collecting and presenting data on the entire industry and I have been focusing on small segments at a time.
I dont want to put names out there, people want to be anon's.

Whooter is evidently an expert on "where the money's at" in the Troubled Teen Industry.  Why would he try to pass himself off as something other than an industry guy?  That's not honest at all.


Whooter, please explain your direct quote above so that readers can understand your role in the troubled teen industry.  Who was at this meeting you attended?  Why would a "regular parent" go to a meeting like this?  How did you determine where "there real money is" and why?

Forgive me if I seem repetitive, but your assertion that you have no ties to the TTI and your statement above are mutually exclusive and require your explanation.
Title: Re: Summary: Devastating Indictment of TheWho
Post by: Anonymous on December 07, 2009, 02:19:53 PM
Quote from: "Guest"
It would only make sense that the PM was made up.  Why else would he run away from having it authenticated?

You lobotomized monkey ass bitch.  What kind of "sense" are you finding in this?  Reuben got caught and now he's pissing and moaning.  The forums have been flooded with the most juvenile trolling from the industry after Reuben was exposed.  Not a very dignified way to go down, frothing with impotent rage and posting schoolboy porn. They didn't teach you to be a man at Military academy or even a good loser, and John?  You are indeed a fucking loser.  Pack up and find a new obsession that does not kill other people's kids.  Does encouraging other families to make the same massive mistake as you assuage your guilt?

Really, it's almost painfully embarrassing to watch you behave this way.   Mikey is somewhere laughing his ass off at your current dilemma and the way parents will react when they Google "John D. Reuben" or "STICC".  It is sweet I am sure.
Title: Re: Summary: Devastating Indictment of TheWho
Post by: Troll Control on December 08, 2009, 12:28:35 PM
Quote from: "Guest"
Quote from: "Guest"
Oh, boy.  This quote probably goes further than any in the entire "indictment" of TheWho.  This one is a zinger.  You know how TheWho is always saying he "has no ties to the industry" or He's "just a regular parent"?  Well, he he is admitting otherwise:

Quote from: "TheWho"
Quote from: ""RobertBruce""
Oh no no no Cindy, you claimed there was a "long debate" and that it was decided that "we" were only going to look at TBS's as you define them.

Who specifically is "we"?

The debate was long, Bob...  many wanted to start with "Wilderness data" and I argued that the real money was in the TBS industry, so lets start there, although wilderness is usually the inital phase of any decent TBS.  So we went round and round....you, Bob have been a key player in collecting and presenting data on the entire industry and I have been focusing on small segments at a time.
I dont want to put names out there, people want to be anon's.

Whooter is evidently an expert on "where the money's at" in the Troubled Teen Industry.  Why would he try to pass himself off as something other than an industry guy?  That's not honest at all.


Whooter, please explain your direct quote above so that readers can understand your role in the troubled teen industry.  Who was at this meeting you attended?  Why would a "regular parent" go to a meeting like this?  How did you determine where "there real money is" and why?

Forgive me if I seem repetitive, but your assertion that you have no ties to the TTI and your statement above are mutually exclusive and require your explanation.

Whooter, please explain why you said the things above.  Tell us about the meeting, who was there, why you flew 1200 miles to go there and explain "where the real money is".  People have a right to know your position in the TTI and why you attend meetings like this.  Why are you avoiding your own previous statements?
Title: Re: Summary: Devastating Indictment of TheWho
Post by: Troll Control on December 10, 2009, 10:56:46 AM
Whooter, please explain your undoctored, original comments above.
Title: Re: Summary: Devastating Indictment of TheWho
Post by: Troll Control on December 10, 2009, 06:44:23 PM
Quote from: "TheWho"
Exactly, The customer is the parent, the product is the child. The schools will respond primarily/initially to the needs of the parent not the child...

Whooter has big problems.  Here he admits the child's needs won't be responded to because the program caters to the parents' needs, not the child's. (http://http://www.fornits.com/phpbb/viewtopic.php?f=9&t=16007&hilit=chicago&start=1395#p245213)  

"the product is the child"  Oh, my God.  This is a very sick and twisted individual to think this way!
Title: Re: Summary: Devastating Indictment of TheWho
Post by: Anonymous on December 10, 2009, 06:47:59 PM
Whooter is probably laughing his ass off because you idiots keep writing responses full of crap. I would be laughing my ass of if I were Whooter. Whooter let these fools complain for 30 more pages.
Title: Re: Summary: Devastating Indictment of TheWho
Post by: Troll Control on December 10, 2009, 06:53:43 PM
Quote from: "Whooter is really disturbed"
Quote from: "TheWho"
Exactly, The customer is the parent, the product is the child. The schools will respond primarily/initially to the needs of the parent not the child...

Whooter has big problems.  Here he admits the child's needs won't be responded to because the program caters to the parents' needs, not the child's. (http://http://www.fornits.com/phpbb/viewtopic.php?f=9&t=16007&hilit=chicago&start=1395#p245213)  

"the product is the child"  Oh, my God.  This is a very sick and twisted individual to think this way!

You think he's laughing his ass off after admitting programs don't even try to help kids and take the parents' money through fraud?  I doubt it.  Plus Aspen's earnings are down 30% this year.  Whooter no likey that.  But I'M laughing my ass off that Whooter's own words prove what a total fraud he is and Aspen is in the shitter TOO!  LOLS.
Title: Re: Summary: Devastating Indictment of TheWho
Post by: Troll Control on December 11, 2009, 05:22:40 PM
Why would anyone laugh at something like this?  Whooter said that children are products and parents are customers.  There's a link to it in this previous post.  If you read a couple of pages before and after Whooter's "children are products statement" in the 250-page plus thread called "TheWho" (where the link above takes you) you will see every other statement he wrote that was quoted in this thread.  He can't deny he said it.  Have a read.  It's a window into a very disturbed mined of a sociopath that thinks "children are products."
Title: Re: Summary: Devastating Indictment of TheWho
Post by: Troll Control on March 25, 2010, 01:30:22 PM
Quote from: "Had to start yet another thread because Whooter is obfuscating and mucking up the other two."
Here's the devasting indictment of TheWho which absolutely shreds his credibility, complete with quotes and links proving beyond a doubt that TheWho is an unmitigated liar.  Dialogue picks up where Whooter claims the OP cannot prove even the first statement about him, but the OP goes on to prove every one of them:

Quote from: "Guest"
Heck, I'll just go for all of them to save time.

Rebuttal section:

Quote from: "Guest"
Let's keep it short and go over just Whooter's lies from this thread.

Lie #1:  Whooter claims he never went to Chicago for a TTI meeting.
Truth #1:  Whooter had already bragged about it two years ago, but must have forgotten
and was quoted saying he did indeed go to Chicago for a TTI meeting.  This was proven
over Whooter's denials by simply quoting the post where he already admitted it.

Whooter, in his own words, admits to the trip he was just denying. (http://http://www.fornits.com/phpbb/viewtopic.php?f=9&t=16007&p=245433&hilit=+chicago#p245433)

Quote from: "Guest"
Lie #2:  Whooter claims to be just a "regular parent with no ties to

the industry."

Truth #2:  Whooter already admitted he was part of a "statistical group to assess TBS
safety" that met in Chicago.  This was proven over Whooter's denials by simply quoting
the post where he already admitted it.

TheWho admitting to being an industry player and saying TBS "is where the money's at." (http://http://www.fornits.com/phpbb/viewtopic.php?f=9&t=16007&hilit=chicago&start=1470#p245461)

Quote from: "Guest"
Lie #3:  Whooter claims not be John Reuben.
Truth #3:  whooter has contacted at least one parent from this forum and provided her
the email address "onekidatatime@yahoo.com" for her to contact him "outside of Fornits"
because "everyone here has an agenda to discredit programs."  The email address has
been verified to be that of John Reuben and is the admin email account at
savingteens.org.  This was proven by posting the original PM from TheWho to Concerned
Parent, which TheWho subsequently altered in a quote and copped to altering it when
called out.

TheWho's PM to Concerned Parent is posted in its entirety. (http://http://www.fornits.com/phpbb/viewtopic.php?f=7&t=29294&start=45#p351905)

Whois search for savingteens.org shows the email address Whooter provided belongs to John Reuben. (http://http://whois.domaintools.com/savingteens.org)


Quote from: "Guest"
Lie #4:  RobertBruce is "Concerned Parent."
Truth #4:  Whooter dropped this claim and went on to blame someone else for being
"Concerned Parent."  Interestingly enough, Whooter has actually claimed to BE
RobertBruce many times and later copped to fabricating at least one "lookalike"
RobertBruce login to try to impersonate him (the login he admitted to creating "for
fun" was 'RobertBruce .' with a space and a period at the end).

Whooter begins his claim that RobertBruce is "Concerned Parent." (http://http://www.fornits.com/phpbb/viewtopic.php?f=48&t=29342#p351931)

Whooter continues to hammer at the meme "Concerned Parent is RobertBruce" without a shred of evidence to suggest that. (http://http://www.fornits.com/phpbb/viewtopic.php?f=48&t=29342&start=15#p352016)

...and hammering it some more... (http://http://www.fornits.com/phpbb/viewtopic.php?f=48&t=29342&start=45#p352455)

Quote from: "Guest"
Lie #5:  Ajax13 is "Concerned Parent."
Truth #5:  Ajax13 is not Concerned Parent, but Whooter clings to this meme like a life
raft anyway.

Here we have Whooter denying being himself, posting as "Dick Cheney" claiming Ajax13 and not RobertBruce "fabricated the PM." (http://http://www.fornits.com/phpbb/viewtopic.php?f=48&t=29342&start=75#p352505)

Quote from: "Guest"
Lie #6:  Ajax13 AND RobertBruce are "Concerned Parent."
Truth #6:  Both are provably NOT "Concerned Parent."  Whooter seems to have dropped
this notion now because obviously they both couldn't be "Concerned Parent" at the same
time, but that simple logic didn't stop him from floating it to distract from the
conversation.

Here Whooter claims both RobertBruce and Ajax13 are "Concerned Parent."  Now he's veering all over the place grasping at straws with no proof. (http://http://www.fornits.com/phpbb/viewtopic.php?f=48&t=29342&start=75#p352499)

Quote from: "Guest"
Lie #7:  Whooter claimed to have no criminal record when
confronted.

Truth #7:  Whooter had already admitted years ago, on this board, that he was "arrested
several times in Boston and once in Ann Arbor Michigan."

Whooter admitting to being arrested "many times in Boston" and elsewhere. (http://http://www.fornits.com/phpbb/viewtopic.php?f=9&t=23338&p=284895&hilit=+arrest#p284895)

Quote from: "Guest"
Lie #8:  Whooter claims not to have lied at all.
Truth #8:  Whooter has been caught lying like a rug using only his own posts and PMs as
evidence of the lies.  Essentially, he lied about everything, then had to walk it all
back piece by piece as he was caught again and again.  Now the only thing from the
above list he won't cop to is being Reuben, but considering he lied about and was
proven lying about the rest of the items in this thread, his  assertion is just him
howling from being bitten so badly.

No link required, see above.  ; )

Quote from: "Guest"
So, that's 8 full-fledged, lie-through-your-teeth prevarications
offered by TheWho in just this single thread.
 People should believe him for what
reason now?

Sorry, Whooter, your lying chickens have come home to roost and nobody here believes
anything you say anymore.  Better luck next time.

Whooter has been fully owned yet again and busted out lying through his teeth yet
again.  Whooter, you better try something else, like going back to trolling with
endless emoticons to slow the page loading, because you are SO BUSTED in YOUR OWN WORDS
and you just can't hide anymore.  Your legacy here has cought up to you and just won't
go away.  Can't escape those facts, son.

What a smackdown, people!  Finally TheWho is held to account for all of his lies here.  He's very upset about it, too.

"Regular Parent," my ass... :moon:  :rofl:
Title: Re: Summary: Devastating Indictment of TheWho
Post by: DannyB II on March 25, 2010, 01:39:45 PM
Quote from: "Dysfunction Junction"
Quote from: "Had to start yet another thread because Whooter is obfuscating and mucking up the other two."
Here's the devasting indictment of TheWho which absolutely shreds his credibility, complete with quotes and links proving beyond a doubt that TheWho is an unmitigated liar.  Dialogue picks up where Whooter claims the OP cannot prove even the first statement about him, but the OP goes on to prove every one of them:

Quote from: "Guest"
Heck, I'll just go for all of them to save time.

Rebuttal section:

Quote from: "Guest"
Let's keep it short and go over just Whooter's lies from this thread.

Lie #1:  Whooter claims he never went to Chicago for a TTI meeting.
Truth #1:  Whooter had already bragged about it two years ago, but must have forgotten
and was quoted saying he did indeed go to Chicago for a TTI meeting.  This was proven
over Whooter's denials by simply quoting the post where he already admitted it.

Whooter, in his own words, admits to the trip he was just denying. (http://http://www.fornits.com/phpbb/viewtopic.php?f=9&t=16007&p=245433&hilit=+chicago#p245433)

Quote from: "Guest"
Lie #2:  Whooter claims to be just a "regular parent with no ties to

the industry."

Truth #2:  Whooter already admitted he was part of a "statistical group to assess TBS
safety" that met in Chicago.  This was proven over Whooter's denials by simply quoting
the post where he already admitted it.

TheWho admitting to being an industry player and saying TBS "is where the money's at." (http://http://www.fornits.com/phpbb/viewtopic.php?f=9&t=16007&hilit=chicago&start=1470#p245461)

Quote from: "Guest"
Lie #3:  Whooter claims not be John Reuben.
Truth #3:  whooter has contacted at least one parent from this forum and provided her
the email address "onekidatatime@yahoo.com" for her to contact him "outside of Fornits"
because "everyone here has an agenda to discredit programs."  The email address has
been verified to be that of John Reuben and is the admin email account at
savingteens.org.  This was proven by posting the original PM from TheWho to Concerned
Parent, which TheWho subsequently altered in a quote and copped to altering it when
called out.

TheWho's PM to Concerned Parent is posted in its entirety. (http://http://www.fornits.com/phpbb/viewtopic.php?f=7&t=29294&start=45#p351905)

Whois search for savingteens.org shows the email address Whooter provided belongs to John Reuben. (http://http://whois.domaintools.com/savingteens.org)


Quote from: "Guest"
Lie #4:  RobertBruce is "Concerned Parent."
Truth #4:  Whooter dropped this claim and went on to blame someone else for being
"Concerned Parent."  Interestingly enough, Whooter has actually claimed to BE
RobertBruce many times and later copped to fabricating at least one "lookalike"
RobertBruce login to try to impersonate him (the login he admitted to creating "for
fun" was 'RobertBruce .' with a space and a period at the end).

Whooter begins his claim that RobertBruce is "Concerned Parent." (http://http://www.fornits.com/phpbb/viewtopic.php?f=48&t=29342#p351931)

Whooter continues to hammer at the meme "Concerned Parent is RobertBruce" without a shred of evidence to suggest that. (http://http://www.fornits.com/phpbb/viewtopic.php?f=48&t=29342&start=15#p352016)

...and hammering it some more... (http://http://www.fornits.com/phpbb/viewtopic.php?f=48&t=29342&start=45#p352455)

Quote from: "Guest"
Lie #5:  Ajax13 is "Concerned Parent."
Truth #5:  Ajax13 is not Concerned Parent, but Whooter clings to this meme like a life
raft anyway.

Here we have Whooter denying being himself, posting as "Dick Cheney" claiming Ajax13 and not RobertBruce "fabricated the PM." (http://http://www.fornits.com/phpbb/viewtopic.php?f=48&t=29342&start=75#p352505)

Quote from: "Guest"
Lie #6:  Ajax13 AND RobertBruce are "Concerned Parent."
Truth #6:  Both are provably NOT "Concerned Parent."  Whooter seems to have dropped
this notion now because obviously they both couldn't be "Concerned Parent" at the same
time, but that simple logic didn't stop him from floating it to distract from the
conversation.

Here Whooter claims both RobertBruce and Ajax13 are "Concerned Parent."  Now he's veering all over the place grasping at straws with no proof. (http://http://www.fornits.com/phpbb/viewtopic.php?f=48&t=29342&start=75#p352499)

Quote from: "Guest"
Lie #7:  Whooter claimed to have no criminal record when
confronted.

Truth #7:  Whooter had already admitted years ago, on this board, that he was "arrested
several times in Boston and once in Ann Arbor Michigan."

Whooter admitting to being arrested "many times in Boston" and elsewhere. (http://http://www.fornits.com/phpbb/viewtopic.php?f=9&t=23338&p=284895&hilit=+arrest#p284895)

Quote from: "Guest"
Lie #8:  Whooter claims not to have lied at all.
Truth #8:  Whooter has been caught lying like a rug using only his own posts and PMs as
evidence of the lies.  Essentially, he lied about everything, then had to walk it all
back piece by piece as he was caught again and again.  Now the only thing from the
above list he won't cop to is being Reuben, but considering he lied about and was
proven lying about the rest of the items in this thread, his  assertion is just him
howling from being bitten so badly.

No link required, see above.  ; )

Quote from: "Guest"
So, that's 8 full-fledged, lie-through-your-teeth prevarications
offered by TheWho in just this single thread.
 People should believe him for what
reason now?

Sorry, Whooter, your lying chickens have come home to roost and nobody here believes
anything you say anymore.  Better luck next time.

Whooter has been fully owned yet again and busted out lying through his teeth yet
again.  Whooter, you better try something else, like going back to trolling with
endless emoticons to slow the page loading, because you are SO BUSTED in YOUR OWN WORDS
and you just can't hide anymore.  Your legacy here has cought up to you and just won't
go away.  Can't escape those facts, son.

What a smackdown, people!  Finally TheWho is held to account for all of his lies here.  He's very upset about it, too.

"Regular Parent," my ass... :moon:  :rofl:

 :shamrock:  :shamrock:
Ya kno I've read this trash so many times, that it is still trash. Why don't you go get a life DF or better yet go bust some TC for abusing something and get off this phony ego trip of yours.
What are you bored want some conversation. Whooter has not posted in a while, lets see if we can shake the trees and see if something falls. This is exactly what you sick fucks like to do, fuck with people. Then spin it around and say, "hey look at you, you started this".
Go flog yourself pal, we would all like to here how that went.
Oh and lets talk about his children......nice. "POS"

 :shamrock:  :shamrock:
Danny
Danny
Title: Re: Summary: Devastating Indictment of TheWho
Post by: Ursus on March 25, 2010, 01:44:10 PM
Quote from: "DannyB II"
:shamrock:  :shamrock:
Ya kno I've read this trash so many times, that it is still trash. Why don't you go get a life DF or better yet go bust some TC for abusing something and get off this phony ego trip of yours.
What are you bored want some conversation. Whooter has not posted in a while, lets see if we can shake the trees and see if something falls. This is exactly what you sick fucks like to do, fuck with people. Then spin it around and say, "hey look at you, you started this".
Go flog yourself pal, we would all like to here how that went.
Oh and lets talk about his children......nice. "POS"

 :shamrock:  :shamrock:
Danny
Danny
I don't see anyone forcing you to read it, Danny. Why bother to even comment, if that's really the way you feel?
Title: Re: Summary: Devastating Indictment of TheWho
Post by: Anti-Troll on March 25, 2010, 01:47:26 PM
Cause Danny ...viewtopic.php?f=22&t=30150&p=359817#p359817 (http://www.fornits.com/phpbb/viewtopic.php?f=22&t=30150&p=359817#p359817)
 :shamrock:  :shamrock:  :shamrock: Fumigating :shamrock:  :shamrock:  :shamrock:
 :shamrock:  :shamrock:  :shamrock:  :shamrock:  :shamrock:  :shamrock:
Title: Re: Summary: Devastating Indictment of TheWho
Post by: Anne Bonney on March 25, 2010, 01:48:56 PM
Quote from: "Whooter is really disturbed"
Quote from: "TheWho"
Exactly, The customer is the parent, the product is the child. The schools will respond primarily/initially to the needs of the parent not the child...

Whooter has big problems.  Here he admits the child's needs won't be responded to because the program caters to the parents' needs, not the child's. (http://http://www.fornits.com/phpbb/viewtopic.php?f=9&t=16007&hilit=chicago&start=1395#p245213)  

"the product is the child"  Oh, my God.  This is a very sick and twisted individual to think this way!

Why am I not surprised?  

This really is what it's all about.  Making the parents happy and guilt free.  It's never been about helping kids.  Parents can send their kids away and then be reassured that everything is the kid's fault and that the program will fix 'em, make nice little robot drones out of them and then send back a 'happy, joyous and free' child.  ::)

Yanno what people??  Raising kids is hard.  Really hard.  It's the most important and most difficult job we'll ever have.  You don't get to farm out your responsibility when it gets tough.  That's when they need us the most.
Title: Re: Summary: Devastating Indictment of TheWho
Post by: Troll Control on March 25, 2010, 02:08:13 PM
Hey, Danny, why don't you let me know when you're in my area and I'll just kick your ass and get it over with?  Dude, seriously, you are just an a-hole and it seems like you have enough battles on your hands already.  Go to a meeting or something, man.  You dry-drunks can be really annoying.
Title: Re: Summary: Devastating Indictment of TheWho
Post by: Anonymous on March 25, 2010, 02:14:10 PM
Important!!!

viewtopic.php?f=22&t=30147 (http://www.fornits.com/phpbb/viewtopic.php?f=22&t=30147)
Danny Bennison is confronted on facebook by ELAN survivors!

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The Real Danny Bennison on facebook!

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Danny Bennison bashing ELAN survivor on facebook!
Title: Re: Summary: Devastating Indictment of TheWho
Post by: DannyB II on March 25, 2010, 02:28:06 PM
Quote from: "Dysfunction Junction"
Hey, Danny, why don't you let me know when you're in my area and I'll just kick your ass and get it over with?  Dude, seriously, you are just an a-hole and it seems like you have enough battles on your hands already.  Go to a meeting or something, man.  You dry-drunks can be really annoying.

 :shamrock:  :shamrock:
Dude I'm in your area right now and right up your ass, feel me.
Get a life and move on, those battles your seeing I don't, it's perspective
my friend, just like your view/opinion of Whooter, quit fucking with the man
and move on, asshole.
Dude really I'm in your area my number is posted, please call me.
Love your AA lingo...very sweet of you.
Danny
Title: Re: Summary: Devastating Indictment of TheWho
Post by: Anne Bonney on March 25, 2010, 02:30:17 PM
Quote from: "DannyB II"
Dude I'm in your area right now and right up your ass, feel me.
Get a life and move on, those battles your seeing I don't, it's perspective
my friend, just like your view/opinion of Whooter, quit fucking with the man
and move on, asshole.
Dude really I'm in your area my number is posted, please call me.
Love your AA lingo...very sweet of you.
Danny


(http://http://randazza.files.wordpress.com/2009/04/crybaby.jpg)
Title: Re: Summary: Devastating Indictment of TheWho
Post by: DannyB II on March 25, 2010, 02:56:28 PM
Quote from: "Anne Bonney"
Quote from: "Whooter is really disturbed"
Quote from: "TheWho"
Exactly, The customer is the parent, the product is the child. The schools will respond primarily/initially to the needs of the parent not the child...

Whooter has big problems.  Here he admits the child's needs won't be responded to because the program caters to the parents' needs, not the child's. (http://http://www.fornits.com/phpbb/viewtopic.php?f=9&t=16007&hilit=chicago&start=1395#p245213)  

"the product is the child"  Oh, my God.  This is a very sick and twisted individual to think this way!

Why am I not surprised?  

This really is what it's all about.  Making the parents happy and guilt free.  It's never been about helping kids.  Parents can send their kids away and then be reassured that everything is the kid's fault and that the program will fix 'em, make nice little robot drones out of them and then send back a 'happy, joyous and free' child.  ::)

Yanno what people??  Raising kids is hard.  Really hard.  It's the most important and most difficult job we'll ever have.  You don't get to farm out your responsibility when it gets tough.  That's when they need us the most.


 :shamrock:  :shamrock:
Here is my problem with this, Anne. You are a good parent and you will go to any lengths to help your child, like I did, but alot of the children in these programs don't have parents like you just described. Then what do you do. Please don't tell me then it falls to Social Services, Child Welfare or the School system because they don't really care on a personal level. I'm not saying I agree they should be sent to a abusive program, no. I am asking what do you do when the parents want to off load the kids because they don't want to deal with it.
There are children falling through the cracks and ending up in these programs.
I did and most of the kids I met in Elan where there because their parent or parents did not want to deal with it.
Danny
Title: Re: Summary: Devastating Indictment of TheWho
Post by: Anonymous on March 25, 2010, 03:01:26 PM
Danny pulled another one of his delete jobs!  We are watching you Danny!

viewtopic.php?f=22&t=30147 (http://www.fornits.com/phpbb/viewtopic.php?f=22&t=30147)

viewtopic.php?f=22&t=30148 (http://www.fornits.com/phpbb/viewtopic.php?f=22&t=30148)
Title: Re: Summary: Devastating Indictment of TheWho
Post by: Whooter on March 25, 2010, 05:15:26 PM
Quote from: "Anne Bonney"
Quote from: "Dysfunction JunctioI"
Quote from: "Danny B II"

Ya kno I've read this trash so many times, that it is still trash. Why don't you go get a life DF or better yet go bust some TC for abusing something and get off this phony ego trip of yours.
What are you bored want some conversation. Whooter has not posted in a while, lets see if we can shake the trees and see if something falls. This is exactly what you sick fucks like to do, fuck with people. Then spin it around and say, "hey look at you, you started this".
Go flog yourself pal, we would all like to here how that went.
Oh and lets talk about his children......nice. "POS"
Hey, Danny, why don't you let me know when you're in my area and I'll just kick your ass and get it over with? Dude, seriously, you are just an a-hole .....


(http://http://randazza.files.wordpress.com/2009/04/crybaby.jpg)

LOL  DJ gets outed again.  Look, DJ, one of the main reasons the guest posting was stopped was to drag posters like yourself out into the open. Logging in and being held accountable for your posts is the way it is going to be for you going forward whether you like it or not (crying isn't going to change a thing).  As an aside....We all like your little altar you are building in your footer.
Why dont you start to contribute a little more and trolling a little less.  It looks bad for you, really.



...
Title: Re: Summary: Devastating Indictment of TheWho
Post by: Troll Control on March 26, 2010, 10:15:54 AM
We all know that's just not true, Whooter.  In fact, you are the main reason this rule was changed.  

When these threads about you came up a few months ago, all of a sudden ; ), we had the "FUCK" troll flooding every thread about STICC, John Reuben or Whooter with several dozens of posts consisting only of the word "FUCK" in large, red font.  That was your last ditch effort to bury the latest lies you were caught in and the rules were changed because of that.  

Not to mention that you have been previously banned for flooding/trolling.  Also not to mention that you have been caught (when your anonymous posts were linked together) posing as:

- A Hyde student
- A program staff
- Other Fornits posters
- "Neutral" outside observers
- etc, etc, etc.

No, Whooter, despite your protestations, you are the one proven to be dishonest.  Everyone knows it, so why not just accept it and stop with your vapid allegations about the honest folk here?

It's plain that your "Fronits persona" has more holes than Swiss cheese and that you've lied so many times, to so many people, for so many years that you no longer can keep the lies straight, which is why it's so easy for me to out you as a shill and liar - I just QUOTE YOU TELLING MUTUALLY EXCLUSIVE STORIES.

For example, you say "I'm just a regular program parent with no ties to the industry," but you previously bragged about heading up TTI "statistical groups to assess wilderness safety" and also bragged about telling the people at the TTI meetings "where the real money is, the TBS industry."  See?  No "regular parent" would do those things, Whooter.  

This is why nobody believes you here.   Your stories just don't add up and anyone with half a brain can see this right away.  Like when you were trolling me via PM and said "I'm you're worst nightmare. You'll never get rid of me."  What "regular parent" with "no ties to the industry" hammers away at the same false meme for six years on a website for survivors of abuse, Whooter?  In short, the answer is "none."

So, good luck fooling the noobs here, but the rest of have your number, buddy.  And thanks for the compliment on my signature. After all, it only consists of your lies and views that children are products ; )  And we all know that burns you badly.

Anyway, thanks for keeping this thread at the top where new readers can get a primer on you, lest they get hoodwinked by your phony story. :cheers:
Title: Re: Summary: Devastating Indictment of TheWho
Post by: Anne Bonney on March 26, 2010, 10:37:18 AM
Quote from: "Whooter"
Quote from: "Anne Bonney"
Quote from: "Dysfunction JunctioI"
Quote from: "Danny B II"

Ya kno I've read this trash so many times, that it is still trash. Why don't you go get a life DF or better yet go bust some TC for abusing something and get off this phony ego trip of yours.
What are you bored want some conversation. Whooter has not posted in a while, lets see if we can shake the trees and see if something falls. This is exactly what you sick fucks like to do, fuck with people. Then spin it around and say, "hey look at you, you started this".
Go flog yourself pal, we would all like to here how that went.
Oh and lets talk about his children......nice. "POS"
Hey, Danny, why don't you let me know when you're in my area and I'll just kick your ass and get it over with? Dude, seriously, you are just an a-hole .....


(http://http://randazza.files.wordpress.com/2009/04/crybaby.jpg)

LOL  DJ gets outed again.  Look, DJ, one of the main reasons the guest posting was stopped was to drag posters like yourself out into the open. Logging in and being held accountable for your posts is the way it is going to be for you going forward whether you like it or not (crying isn't going to change a thing).  As an aside....We all like your little altar you are building in your footer.
Why dont you start to contribute a little more and trolling a little less.  It looks bad for you, really.



...


Very subtle change of the quotes there asswipe.  My crying baby picture was posted to Danny but I see you've changed it in your quote to appear that I posted it to DJ.
Title: Re: Summary: Devastating Indictment of TheWho
Post by: Troll Control on March 26, 2010, 11:11:39 AM
Quote from: "TheWho"
Quote from: ""Guest""
Quote from: ""TheWho""
Quote from: ""Guest""
When is this supposed to take place?

Well the  announcement takes place after the lawyers sign off on the deal, but they usually wait until the transfer is ready to take place.
The legal transfer typically takes place at the beginning of the new quarter (or fiscal year).
So based on this I would expect the announcement would come at anytime and the transfer could occur on Tuesday October 1, 2007 or early January 2008.



...




How is it that you are in a position to have knowledge about the acquisition of HLA?


I apologize for being vague, I have a fiduciary duty which prevents me from speaking in any specific terms in this area[/u] and can only comment on information which is first made public by either party involved,  this could be misconstrued as "Tipping"

Link to Whooter admitting "fiduciary interest" in a potential acquisition of HLA by Aspen Education. (http://http://www.fornits.com/phpbb/viewtopic.php?f=41&t=23299&p=283976&hilit=+fiduciary#p283976)  Emphasis in above quote added by me.

How does that square with Whooter's assertion he is "Just a regular parent with no ties to the industry"?

Whooter, please explain your "fiduciary interest" in Aspen's potential acquisition of HLA in light of your statements that you have "no ties to the industry."  Were you lying THEN or are you lying NOW?  We'd all like to know.
Title: Whooter caught switching the cards
Post by: Ursus on March 26, 2010, 11:30:18 AM
Quote from: "Anne Bonney, replying to Whooter,"
Very subtle change of the quotes there asswipe. My crying baby picture was posted to Danny but I see you've changed it in your quote to appear that I posted it to DJ.
Not so subtle! Whooter = BUSTED !!
Title: Re: Summary: Devastating Indictment of TheWho
Post by: DannyB II on March 26, 2010, 11:36:08 AM
Quote from: "Dysfunction Junction"
We all know that's just not true, Whooter.  In fact, you are the main reason this rule was changed.  

When these threads about you came up a few months ago, all of a sudden ; ), we had the "FUCK" troll flooding every thread about STICC, John Reuben or Whooter with several dozens of posts consisting only of the word "FUCK" in large, red font.  That was your last ditch effort to bury the latest lies you were caught in and the rules were changed because of that.  

Not to mention that you have been previously banned for flooding/trolling.  Also not to mention that you have been caught (when your anonymous posts were linked together) posing as:

- A Hyde student
- A program staff
- Other Fornits posters
- "Neutral" outside observers
- etc, etc, etc.

No, Whooter, despite your protestations, you are the one proven to be dishonest.  Everyone knows it, so why not just accept it and stop with your vapid allegations about the honest folk here?

It's plain that your "Fronits persona" has more holes than Swiss cheese and that you've lied so many times, to so many people, for so many years that you no longer can keep the lies straight, which is why it's so easy for me to out you as a shill and liar - I just QUOTE YOU TELLING MUTUALLY EXCLUSIVE STORIES.

For example, you say "I'm just a regular program parent with no ties to the industry," but you previously bragged about heading up TTI "statistical groups to assess wilderness safety" and also bragged about telling the people at the TTI meetings "where the real money is, the TBS industry."  See?  No "regular parent" would do those things, Whooter.  

This is why nobody believes you here.   Your stories just don't add up and anyone with half a brain can see this right away.  Like when you were trolling me via PM and said "I'm you're worst nightmare. You'll never get rid of me."  What "regular parent" with "no ties to the industry" hammers away at the same false meme for six years on a website for survivors of abuse, Whooter?  In short, the answer is "none."

So, good luck fooling the noobs here, but the rest of have your number, buddy.  And thanks for the compliment on my signature. After all, it only consists of your lies and views that children are products ; )  And we all know that burns you badly.

Anyway, thanks for keeping this thread at the top where new readers can get a primer on you, lest they get hoodwinked by your phony story. :cheers:

 :shamrock:  :shamrock:
DJ,
Here is one big problem with your "closing argument" there. Many of us you call "noobs" are really not that new at all, we have been around for a while we just don't either sign on and if we did, don't post.
We just read and watch what happens here.
Your itemized list of lies and sinister twists that Whooter has done in most of our eyes (Oh this excludes your 10 buddies here, 10 out of 5200) is a fabrication inside your head, trust me dude. There isn't that much meat to the story. I don't know maybe he is just fucking with you, "DJ" (I"M TEMPTED) or maybe really he has a different perspective then you, a totally radically different approach, which doesn't always have to equate to being "abusive". Now that improvised thought process just won't work around here because if you are different, you will be banished to the "Paid Schill" department. I really think some of you folks really get off on thinking up this crap, sending it up the "flag pole" to see what happens.
Jeesh, paid schills...noodles...sinister twists...having "FUCK" as a post.....changing persona (like that is a new one around here)...
Man,  DJ he is convicted.
Seriously though what is it that you think this guy is, someone that is being paid to disrupt the going ons here...LMAO :roflmao:  I hate to break the news, your not that important, why would a company pay for this...this is what I mean by the grandiosity here. Some of you are so delusional it is not funny.
Now if and this is a big "if" per chance he is being paid, "brother DJ", you have been played like a mutha f@#*er for all these years. Yeah I can see it now, "Uh Rueben, it is time to ring up Fornits for there daily harassment, do a better job today buddy, remember your being paid." DJ, please "STOP".
Nope,  first off if anybody wanted to really disrupt things here and had money, they would be disrupted, fo sur. Not a problem. Art had/has no money and is not playing with a full deck and look at what he did, on a Saturday afternoon watching football. Think about a concerted lobbing effort with money, ya...."Down went Frazier, Down went Frazier" Howard Cosell in 1971/72.
So please lets get off the paid schill idiotic talk and lets just have a conversation about difference of opinions and or experiences. One other thing here, we have all been known to embellish a little here from time to time.
I definitely fall into the category of folks who do not agree with the overwhelming opinions here on this site, so I'm sure that the rumbling of "schill talk" will only increase as time goes on. Know this please, I have a businesses already make great money (always have) so I can't be bought, Sorry.  
Danny
Title: Re: Summary: Devastating Indictment of TheWho
Post by: Ursus on March 26, 2010, 11:51:44 AM
Quote from: "DannyB II"
Quote from: "Dysfunction Junction"
We all know that's just not true, Whooter.  In fact, you are the main reason this rule was changed.  

When these threads about you came up a few months ago, all of a sudden ; ), we had the "FUCK" troll flooding every thread about STICC, John Reuben or Whooter with several dozens of posts consisting only of the word "FUCK" in large, red font.  That was your last ditch effort to bury the latest lies you were caught in and the rules were changed because of that.  

Not to mention that you have been previously banned for flooding/trolling.  Also not to mention that you have been caught (when your anonymous posts were linked together) posing as:

- A Hyde student
- A program staff
- Other Fornits posters
- "Neutral" outside observers
- etc, etc, etc.

No, Whooter, despite your protestations, you are the one proven to be dishonest.  Everyone knows it, so why not just accept it and stop with your vapid allegations about the honest folk here?

It's plain that your "Fronits persona" has more holes than Swiss cheese and that you've lied so many times, to so many people, for so many years that you no longer can keep the lies straight, which is why it's so easy for me to out you as a shill and liar - I just QUOTE YOU TELLING MUTUALLY EXCLUSIVE STORIES.

For example, you say "I'm just a regular program parent with no ties to the industry," but you previously bragged about heading up TTI "statistical groups to assess wilderness safety" and also bragged about telling the people at the TTI meetings "where the real money is, the TBS industry."  See?  No "regular parent" would do those things, Whooter.  

This is why nobody believes you here.   Your stories just don't add up and anyone with half a brain can see this right away.  Like when you were trolling me via PM and said "I'm you're worst nightmare. You'll never get rid of me."  What "regular parent" with "no ties to the industry" hammers away at the same false meme for six years on a website for survivors of abuse, Whooter?  In short, the answer is "none."

So, good luck fooling the noobs here, but the rest of have your number, buddy.  And thanks for the compliment on my signature. After all, it only consists of your lies and views that children are products ; )  And we all know that burns you badly.

Anyway, thanks for keeping this thread at the top where new readers can get a primer on you, lest they get hoodwinked by your phony story. :cheers:
:shamrock:  :shamrock:
DJ,
Here is one big problem with your "closing argument" there. Many of us you call "noobs" are really not that new at all, we have been around for a while we just don't either sign on and if we did, don't post.
We just read and watch what happens here.
Your itemized list of lies and sinister twists that Whooter has done in most of our eyes (Oh this excludes your 10 buddies here, 10 out of 5200) is a fabrication inside your head, trust me dude. There isn't that much meat to the story. I don't know maybe he is just fucking with you, "DJ" (I"M TEMPTED) or maybe really he has a different perspective then you, a totally radically different approach, which doesn't always have to equate to being "abusive". Now that improvised thought process just won't work around here because if you are different, you will be banished to the "Paid Schill" department. I really think some of you folks really get off on thinking up this crap, sending it up the "flag pole" to see what happens.
Jeesh, paid schills...noodles...sinister twists...having "FUCK" as a post.....changing persona (like that is a new one around here)...
Man,  DJ he is convicted.
Seriously though what is it that you think this guy is, someone that is being paid to disrupt the going ons here...LMAO :roflmao:  I hate to break the news, your not that important, why would a company pay for this...this is what I mean by the grandiosity here. Some of you are so delusional it is not funny.
Now if and this is a big "if" per chance he is being paid, "brother DJ", you have been played like a mutha f@#*er for all these years. Yeah I can see it now, "Uh Rueben, it is time to ring up Fornits for there daily harassment, do a better job today buddy, remember your being paid." DJ, please "STOP".
Nope,  first off if anybody wanted to really disrupt things here and had money, they would be disrupted, fo sur. Not a problem. Art had/has no money and is not playing with a full deck and look at what he did, on a Saturday afternoon watching football. Think about a concerted lobbing effort with money, ya...."Down went Frazier, Down went Frazier" Howard Cosell in 1971/72.
So please lets get off the paid schill idiotic talk and lets just have a conversation about difference of opinions and or experiences. One other thing here, we have all been known to embellish a little here from time to time.
I definitely fall into the category of folks who do not agree with the overwhelming opinions here on this site, so I'm sure that the rumbling of "schill talk" will only increase as time goes on. Know this please, I have a businesses already make great money (always have) so I can't be bought, Sorry.  
Danny
Quoted for historical importance.
Title: Re: Summary: Devastating Indictment of TheWho
Post by: Troll Control on March 26, 2010, 11:57:28 AM
No worries, Danny.  Nobody is going to stop you from 69ing your love, Whooter.  Carry on.

And, BTW, if you think that fornits is "so unimportant" and not worth of industry attention, you're as naive as they come, bro.  Why do all of these TTI entities keep trying to shut fornits down with continuous lawsuits?  And, no, I don't think you're "paid shill."  You're too dumb for that.  They wouldn't get their money's worth.

I guess, because the uber-intelligent, all-knowing Danny the Drunk says these's no such thing as message board paid shills we should all just disregard reality (http://http://www.lemarssentinel.com/blogs/1295/entry/32532/desc) and fall in line with our intellectual superior, Danny the Drunk. :roflmao:

Quote from: "Linked Article Above"
Professional PR firms pay people (sometimes per post, sometimes per hour) to post preselected talking points or to promote a candidate or agenda in blogs and message boards.


Ooops!  Danny the Drunk is an ignoramus on this subject.  What a surprise. :o

Quote from: "Linked Article Above"
3. He'll do anything to keep the conversation going. Like a zombie who packed a knife for an intellectual gunfight, the paid shill gets blown away after every post but refuses to die. The anonymity of the internet, coupled with financial incentive, rids the shill of any sense of dignity or integrity. If the shill's arguments are going badly, often they will attempt to derail the conversation to a topic they feel more comfortable with or have a new set of talking points for.

Now, if that doesn't pigeonhole Whooter, what does??  :notworthy:

And, if it's "made up in my head" then how do you explain Whooter's posts admitting his ties to the TTI industry, Danny?  What "regular parent" brags about "fiduciary interest" in the biggest TTI company?  You really are weak-minded, Danny.  Get off your ass, get away from the computer and go admit to powerlessness over something.
Title: Re: Summary: Devastating Indictment of TheWho
Post by: Whooter on March 26, 2010, 12:11:16 PM
Quote from: "Dysfunction Junction"
When these threads about you came up a few months ago, all of a sudden ; ), we had the "FUCK" troll flooding every thread about STICC, John Reuben or Whooter with several dozens of posts consisting only of the word "FUCK" in large, red font. That was your last ditch effort to bury the latest lies you were caught in and the rules were changed because of that.

Look, DJ, if it bothers you so much that people are disagreeing with you or you have a need to know which posts are mine just ask.  Pick any post or posts you like and I give permission to Ginger, psy or any of the admins to check to see if they are mine.  If you feel I am posting under many assumed names then pick the name you feel is bothering you and ask them to check my account I give my permission.  Just be open about it and do it in the forum is all I ask.  A little transparency would be good for you.

See the difference between you and me is I have nothing to hide and stand behind my posts.  I don’t mind being open with my views even though they are unpopular.  You on the other hand always felt more comfortable throwing stones from the shadows and hiding your identity…. There is a name for that Hmmm.
 
We have dragged you out into the open, my man, and you just cant handle a back a forth with anyone without threatening to punch the other guy out if he disagrees with you lol.  You are in the sunlight, DJ, get use to it.  Besides trolling me why not try to add some value by speaking with others.  You may find you enjoy it or have something to contribute.

Finally, Yes I am flattered that you feel I make such a difference here that you have dedicated your footer space to me.
I am sorry that I cannot respond to you for another ten posts.  So we will talk again then.  Try to relax a little.



...
Title: Re: Summary: Devastating Indictment of TheWho
Post by: Troll Control on March 26, 2010, 12:16:06 PM
Quote from: "Whooter"
See the difference between you and me is I have nothing to hide and stand behind my posts.

Great.  Please explain then your admitted fiduciary interest in Aspen Education Group.  

And also please explain your trip to Chicago to chair TTI meetings on "wilderness safety" and "where the real money is, the TBS industry."

Thanks in advance for standing behind those posts!
Title: Re: Summary: Devastating Indictment of TheWho
Post by: Anne Bonney on March 26, 2010, 12:18:00 PM
Quote from: "Dysfunction Junction"
No worries, Danny.  Nobody is going to stop you from 69ing your love, Whooter.  Carry on.

And, BTW, if you think that fornits is "so unimportant" and not worth of industry attention, you're as naive as they come, bro.  Why do all of these TTI entities keep trying to shut fornits down with continuous lawsuits?  And, no, I don't think you're "paid shill."  You're too dumb for that.  They wouldn't get their money's worth.

I guess, because the uber-intelligent, all-knowing Danny the Drunk says these's no such thing as message board paid shills we should all just disregard reality (http://http://www.lemarssentinel.com/blogs/1295/entry/32532/desc) and fall in line with our intellectual superior, Danny the Drunk. :roflmao:

Quote from: "Linked Article Above"
Professional PR firms pay people (sometimes per post, sometimes per hour) to post preselected talking points or to promote a candidate or agenda in blogs and message boards.


Ooops!  Danny the Drunk is an ignoramus on this subject.  What a surprise. :o

Quote from: "Linked Article Above"
3. He'll do anything to keep the conversation going. Like a zombie who packed a knife for an intellectual gunfight, the paid shill gets blown away after every post but refuses to die. The anonymity of the internet, coupled with financial incentive, rids the shill of any sense of dignity or integrity. If the shill's arguments are going badly, often they will attempt to derail the conversation to a topic they feel more comfortable with or have a new set of talking points for.

Now, if that doesn't pigeonhole Whooter, what does??  :notworthy:

And, if it's "made up in my head" then how do you explain Whooter's posts admitting his ties to the TTI industry, Danny?  What "regular parent" brags about "fiduciary interest" in the biggest TTI company?  You really are weak-minded, Danny.  Get off your ass, get away from the computer and go admit to powerlessness over something.


 :notworthy:  :notworthy:

 :roflmao:  :roflmao:  :roflmao:  :roflmao:  :roflmao:  :roflmao:  :roflmao:  :roflmao:  :roflmao:  :roflmao:  :roflmao:
Title: Re: Summary: Devastating Indictment of TheWho
Post by: Anne Bonney on March 26, 2010, 12:22:31 PM
Quote from: "Whooter"
 
We have dragged you out into the open, my man,

(http://http://i41.photobucket.com/albums/e273/theredfandango/quizzical_dog.jpg)
Title: Re: Summary: Devastating Indictment of TheWho
Post by: DannyB II on March 26, 2010, 12:28:44 PM
Quote from: "Dysfunction Junction"
No worries, Danny.  Nobody is going to stop you from 69ing your love, Whooter.  Carry on.

 :shamrock:  :shamrock:
Thank You, sweetie. Weren't you the one that was going to kick my ass yesterday, where are you luv.
I'm still panting.....
Danny
 :shamrock:  :shamrock:

And, BTW, if you think that fornits is "so unimportant" and not worth of industry attention, you're as naive as they come, bro.  Why do all of these TTI entities keep trying to shut fornits down with continuous lawsuits?  And, no, I don't think you're "paid shill."  You're too dumb for that.  They wouldn't get their money's worth.

 :shamrock:  :shamrock:
First off you (Fornits and you) are not that important, The industry does not pay that much attention, Naive... ya as to your intellectual abilities, please show me these continuous lawsuits. Last thank you for not thinking I am a paid schill, please tell Felice and the girls.
Right the industry is paying attention.. :roflmao: they open up a center at least every year. Oh yeah there buckling from the pressure., the only thing there buckling from is the billions of dollars being made. But ya know that is not my point, my point is your a grandiose story teller.
I want this nonsense to stop like everyone else here, I was a resident for almost 2 years. So please uber-one talk with some objectiveness.  
 :shamrock:  :shamrock:

I guess, because the uber-intelligent, all-knowing Danny the Drunk says these's no such thing as message board paid shills we should all just disregard reality (http://http://www.lemarssentinel.com/blogs/1295/entry/32532/desc) and fall in line with our intellectual superior, Danny the Drunk. :roflmao:

 :shamrock:  :shamrock:
This is what I mean about your delusional mind this is not Fox News, Amazon Dot.Com ect....Billion Dollar Companys...So please send me another http://www.lemarssentinel.com.. (http://www.lemarssentinel.com..).
Son WTF is wrong with you, go take a vacation...please.
Oh and that dry drunk comment, now com'on not fair boyo....
 :shamrock:  :shamrock:  

And, if it's "made up in my head" then how do you explain Whooter's posts admitting his ties to the TTI industry, Danny?  What "regular parent" brags about "fiduciary interest" in the biggest TTI company?  You really are weak-minded, Danny.  Get off your ass, get away from the computer and go admit to powerlessness over something.

 :shamrock:  :shamrock:
Ya know we were talking about that the other night, few others and myself. I really do not have a answer for that question right now, all I can say is you have not "proven" your point. I think he may of embellished a point and it got away from him in the crossfire.

DJ,
What is a "regular parent", what does that mean????? DJ are you a parent???? Have you raised children???? Are you even married or in a committed long term relationship??????
 :shamrock:  :shamrock:

Danny
Title: Re: Summary: Devastating Indictment of TheWho
Post by: Whooter on March 26, 2010, 03:58:43 PM
Quote from: "Whooter"
Quote from: "Anne Bonney"
Quote from: "Dysfunction JunctioI"
Quote from: "Danny B II"

Ya kno I've read this trash so many times, that it is still trash. Why don't you go get a life DF or better yet go bust some TC for abusing something and get off this phony ego trip of yours.
What are you bored want some conversation. Whooter has not posted in a while, lets see if we can shake the trees and see if something falls. This is exactly what you sick fucks like to do, fuck with people. Then spin it around and say, "hey look at you, you started this".
Go flog yourself pal, we would all like to here how that went.
Oh and lets talk about his children......nice. "POS"
Hey, Danny, why don't you let me know when you're in my area and I'll just kick your ass and get it over with? Dude, seriously, you are just an a-hole .....


(http://http://randazza.files.wordpress.com/2009/04/crybaby.jpg)

LOL  DJ gets outed again.  Look, DJ, one of the main reasons the guest posting was stopped was to drag posters like yourself out into the open. Logging in and being held accountable for your posts is the way it is going to be for you going forward whether you like it or not (crying isn't going to change a thing).  As an aside....We all like your little altar you are building in your footer.
Why dont you start to contribute a little more and trolling a little less.  It looks bad for you, really.



...

Where is that John Reuben thread?