On 2003-09-13 12:54:00, Anonymous wrote:
"Paul when were you in daytop ?
I was in Daytop from like 94-95. I was onlly there about five months, though.
The reading goes quickly .
my father is South African, (this too is in the threads on this site some where.) I have only seen family pictures of the falls.
Day top is where Ricci got his idea for elan .He never graduated from there ,but went on to form elan using those ideas .He use to tell us how lucky we were that we weren't in daytop because of this or that ,and then b4 a short time you would see the this or that happen as how he had described .
We always use to hear the stories about how lucky we were not to be in Daytop, back in the day. Ricci sounds like a real dick.. not to mention unstable.
Paul
There is nothing so likely to produce peace as to be well prepared to meet the enemy.
--George Washington
I dont know or care about Dan Bosdorf's personal life. Frankly, most good journalists and writers are total crack pots in their private affairs. But I know this to a dead certainty. No one's going to shut down Elan by keeping to this little clanish group.
Some folks might well get a nice chunk of change out of Ricci's estate or some other source related to Elan. But that doesn't shut them down. That only feeds their martyrdome while they change their name, maybe their location and sometimes even rearrange the names on their board of directors list. It's happened again and again with Seed/Straight/Kids/LIFE/Growing Together/PFC/etc., ad nauseum.
It's not going to end, though, till the stories get out and those history buffs and compulsive documentarians, either those among us or those from outside, can comb through the details, connect the dots and arrange it all into some coherent insights.
If I am of the opinion that it is inexpedient to assign to the government the task of operating railroads, hotels, or mines, I am not an "enemy of the state" any more than I can be called an enemy of sulfuric acid because I am of the opinion that, useful though it may be for many purposes, it is not suitable either for drinking, or for washing one's hands.
Anonymity Anonymous (http://fornits.com/anonanon)
On 2003-09-07 11:16:00, nazi wrote:
"I found a posting by Clare tearing a new asshole into Dan.
Dan Bostdorf has our best interests at heart and other Myths
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Some of you may remember me as I too shared the Elan experience. My name =
is Clare Woodman. I was a resident of Elan Eight from march of 1982 =
until my graduation in december of 1983. My experience was life saving . =
Period.
I am one of a handful of graduates that alongside a very talented group =
of degreed staff works to continue the Elan tradiiton of helping young =
people redesign their lives. I have been at it for close to 17 years and =
look forward to the future.
David , you know me , and I remember you. Despite whatever yours and =
others feelings may be , I tihnk it's safe to say that I have never been =
known to be anything other than upfront with anyone at Elan. Thus I =
present the following :
Joseph Ricci has absolutley NO intentions whatsoever of suing anyone =
other than Dan Bostdorf , this he made clear to him last night on the =
phone. Deanna , ( the admissions director ) will post more details on =
this tomorrow , but rest assurred , Mr. Bostdorfs assertion that Joe is =
going "suit" crazy is ludicrous.
Dan , I know you though you probably don't remember me. I was around =
during the Campaigning days.Now as then , you remain an abusive , =
manipulative, exploitive oppurtunist who has now managed to weasel your =
way into the graces of an Elan Graduate , Peter Moore , who will =
probbably lose his job for his mesrepresentation of the truth. You =
don't care , as long as you can rescusitate your ridiculous publication =
and the checks start rolling in. You're a You insult the intelligence of =
any free thinker that reads your posts. How is one supposed to respond =
to your most recent post regarding Joseph Ricci , should we "rally =
around you" and" forever be in debt" to you for your courageous way of =
pursuing "the truth". C'mon Dan , as you reside in the Virgin Islands =
enjoying the good life don't try to pretend that your one of "us" =
looking out for our "best interests"and yes,I earned the right to say =
"us" , which you're not one of and never will be.=20
I don't ever recall appointing you as my "spokesperson", the incinuation =
is an insult to my intelligence. Let's be real Dan , you've always been =
out for the almighty Dollar. You under estimate us "Elan" people to =
think that you can prostitute us for $14.63.Interesting , we bare our =
souls and you rake in the cash.......hmmmm. I find it amazing that you =
have found a way to "piggyback" your sleezy publication to the Moxley =
case.What poor taste. Eventually , people will catch on to your game , =
as usual , you'll wear out your welcome there and will have to move on , =
your only mistake is that now you've shown your colors on the interent =
for the world to see. "Continent jumping" won't solve that for you. =
What goes around comes around.......
As far as the articles from the 70's are concerned and the relevance to =
todays events , simply this :
David , you printed on this site either a direct excerpt or =
reconstitution of Bostdorfs publication as reflected in the credit noted =
on the bottom. While you feel you may be presenting the truth and only =
the truth , in this case you're mistaken. Just because it's in a book =
doesn't make it fact. Another glaring example of Bostdorfs exploitive =
abilities , he obviously doesn't care if you unknowingly misrepresent =
the truth after all his name is not on this site thus he has no =
exposure. And it's of little significance that you preface it with =
"according to prior residents interviewed for the book............" The =
outrageous assertions are disturbing , ridiculous and unfounded. The =
articles pressented to this site explain the end result of the =
investigations. Sure , the media is oftentimes innacurate , distorted =
and slants information but let's be real , as someone else wrote on one =
of the posts somewhere , if the assertions were true Elan would have =
been closed down long before your parents or mine ever had the =
oppurtunity to enroll us.
David , history on the site shows that you are most comfortable =
responding point by point to whatever is written. Please know that this =
post is not designed to attack you and if I fail to respond to your =
response it is not out of arrogance. Frankly this is the most I've typed =
in several years , it's not my strong suit thus , in all honesty I will =
not be quick to reply , anything lengthy that is. The only reason I'm =
doing this now is because , like everyone else here , I feel compelled =
to add my thoughts.
On a different note it was good to see David L and Dennis M entries in =
the guest book. It's always nice to hear how Elan "Alumni" are doing.
Ken , I don't know you but have heard alot about you , all positive. =
Jeffrey and I are good friends and he also speaks well of you . Your
latest post seems to add a breath of sanity to all of this.
Please try to overlook any grammatical errors, it's late.
Clare Woodman
Elan Graduate 1983
Lead Director (current)
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On 2003-10-13 06:01:00, nazi wrote:
"Elan Survivors is now a dorment dead site.No one hardly goes there anymore, the site sucks and the webpage should be closed down, it is awaste of megabytes.
David Hirsh the webmaster I think is like dead now, no one has heard from him in along time.Survivors is an abandoned webpage now."
Psychedelics often produce psychotic and even violent behavior in those who have never used them.
--Timothy Leary
Quote from: "Eliscu2"I wonder what ever happened to Dan Bosdorf?
http://http://www.fornits.com/phpbb/viewtopic.php?f=2&t=30108#p359595
True story.........
I sat with Harry Kranick, John Higgins in Bridgeport Ct. Court House, we were all court ordered to be there. I came in from Memphis Tn., John Higgins came in from Chicago along with Harry. I believe this was between 1998-2000 I can't remember and my paperwork on this is not with me right now. I had a sheriff of Shelby County Memphis,Tn. come to my house to issue me a summons to appear.
Now what precipitated this is very interesting. About 2 weeks prior I received a phone call from a man that called himself Steven Weeks he was interested in my relationship with Mike Skakle, at first I was taken back by this intrusion into a personal life but after a few minutes I felt comfortable to answer a few questions. Steven was particularly interested in my interview I had with Michael. At that point I got nervous and asked him how he knew I interviewed Michael. He told me he had spoken with a few residents at Elan and with my brother. My first reaction is I felt betrayed then I shifted into a more neutral feeling like, "what the hell'. Steven explained again that he was doing a investigative work for a book that someone was going to be putting together. This someone turned out to be Mark Furman. I stopped everything thing at this point of the conversation, which at that time had been going on for about 20 mins. I asked was Mark present he said he was and asked if I wanted to talk with him. I immediately became uncomfortable again and mumbled something I don't remember and Steve went ahead and put Mark Furman on the phone. He was cordial and after small talk I asked him what he wanted. He then explained the book and hoprfully Marthy Moxley mom would get justice.
I got very focused and serious at this point and told him that I had no idea who killed Martha, that Michael never confessed to me and the only thing I could contribute was my opinion to his reactions to questions I asked 20 years earlier.
I had asked Steven and Mark if my conversation was being taped or copied in any way and was assured if I did not want this they would not. Well I was very naive because when ended up in front the Grand Jury the prosecutor was reading from pages of paper exactly what I had said some 3-4 weeks earlier. I asked for the papers to see if they were verbatim what I had said and they were, I then stuck them in my suit pocket, proclaiming they were mine and I had asked for me and what I had said not to be copied in any way. The judge never argued with what I did.
Shortly later that day I was put on a plane back to Memphis.
I was offered money from various News Companies for my story which was nothing and always said as much, yet there reply was always the same. Let us determine that, Daniel. We will value what you say.
I kept thinking about Mrs. Moxely, we met her at the court house briefly, how she would feel if she found I had either lied or embellished the truth to help the prosecution. Just couldn't do it even though I felt Michael and his family knew exactly what happened. You did not here a lot of carrying on after he was convicted, yes a little at first then it died away. The Skakles (Rushton) knows his son or sons committed this heinous act and had enough money to circumvent the investigation almost to a halt. The investigation never really stopped for Detective Frank Garr. Twenty years later he finally had his hard work pay off.
Why do I say this, because when I interviewed Michael it was right after he had landed in Portland the first time before he was accepted at Elan. Joe still did not know if he wanted this guy, so they sent me in there to ask him questions concerning this murder. This guy gave me the creeps the way he was acting it was a big joke to him, she deserved it whoever did it because she was a big flirt. He alluded that maybe his brother knew something or sister. We kept going round and round like this for at least 2 hours. He grew up literally right next store to her and was acting like it was no big deal. Now I took in that he had already been asked by folks much more professionally serious then I, with a great deal more experience so he thought I'm sure I was a joke to be fucked with. But folks I sat in that room with him and he was seriosly acting weird, about a girl he knew well. Who was killed so viciously.
Well like I said he is sitting there not just because of Elan but for more evidence then that.
Danny
The REAL HARRY was there with Dan Bosdorf NOT Danny Bennison.
FACT