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Treatment Abuse, Behavior Modification, Thought Reform => The Troubled Teen Industry => Topic started by: Anonymous on October 24, 2009, 08:03:06 PM
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Perhaps someone could respond to this. Seems everyone lost interest in the thread it was posted in. Gook's brother, Joel claims that not one of you were interested in asking him questions, and he claims to have damaging evidence straight from a program director that could shutdown a program. Information on numerous programs at the very least. Just curious why no one is on this. Like, yesterday.
Joel wrote:
See above. Does that mean you don't trust anyone here? Or care about exposing abuse at the programs you worked in? Or maybe your statment is that no abuse ocurred. "Work at", present tense, as in you currently work for a program?
It is not a matter of trust, rather I'm sick of giving people from HEAL opportunities to ask questions about Camp E-Hun-Tee. I don't work at a program currently which Psy and myself previous stated in this thread. You asked me "Or care about exposing abuse at the program you worked in?" I offered many chances for HEAL to ask questions about Camp E-Hun-Tee. This includes fornits members because there was another Q & A about EHT I started. There was nobody who took advantage of that opportunitiy. Frankly, I'm sick of providing multiple Q & A periods when people are not going to respond. If people are going to bitch about it, then fuck off.
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Don't take this the wrong way, but I find that extremely hard to believe, although I didn't check for the validity of the comment. Never, not once, in the history of Fornits have the participants not been all over a willing informant like white on rice.
Why do you think the dedicated teen advocates, or whatever the PC term is these days, here weren't interested in hearing your stories and damaging evidence? I just find that incredibly hard to believe? At a loss for how to put it in context.
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I will have to backtrack and say there was one person interested in questions about EYA.
http://www.fornits.com/phpbb/viewtopic. ... 40#p345740 (http://www.fornits.com/phpbb/viewtopic.php?f=52&t=28746&p=345740#p345740)
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Ursus page 19 Sorenson's thread:
Joel HAS offered to answer any and all questions in a thread back a ways. In addition to that thread, started solely for said purpose, there have also been a fair number of posts here and there where he mentioned Eckerd, and which provided yet more opportunities for questions.
Why have there been so few nibbles? Probably for the same reason that certain forums here get less traffic than others. People have a harder time wrapping their brains around the mindfuck that occurs in places other than their own. Perhaps there are fewer Eckerd survivors who have found fornits?
These things take a lot of time and emotional energy. Perhaps you'd like to contribute to the research?
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Joel wrote:
See above. Does that mean you don't trust anyone here? Or care about exposing abuse at the programs you worked in? Or maybe your statment is that no abuse ocurred. "Work at", present tense, as in you currently work for a program?
It is not a matter of trust, rather I'm sick of giving people from HEAL opportunities to ask questions about Camp E-Hun-Tee. I don't work at a program currently which Psy and myself previous stated in this thread. You asked me "Or care about exposing abuse at the program you worked in?" I offered many chances for HEAL to ask questions about Camp E-Hun-Tee. This includes fornits members because there was another Q & A about EHT I started. There was nobody who took advantage of that opportunitiy. Frankly, I'm sick of providing multiple Q & A periods when people are not going to respond. If people are going to bitch about it, then fuck off.
People are having a hard time accepting my response because they are not getting what they want. If trolls have a hard time accepting my answer, read the last sentence in the quoted paragraph above. I still stand by it.
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I think you're in the clear here Joel. You get a free pass for being Aaron brother. Rather than being raked over the coals and railroaded out of town for withholding information, which is the Fornits way, you are welcomed. Your silence is clearly "accepted" here. But, if what you say is true, perhaps you'll find it in your heart to share what you know to help end the injury and death of teens under the guise of therapy. You're helping no one by sitting on the valuable information you allege to have.
viewtopic.php?f=9&t=28989&start=270#p349313 (http://www.fornits.com/phpbb/viewtopic.php?f=9&t=28989&start=270#p349313)
It is not a matter of trust, rather I'm sick of giving people from HEAL opportunities to ask questions about Camp E-Hun-Tee. I don't work at a program currently which Psy and myself previous stated in this thread. You asked me "Or care about exposing abuse at the program you worked in?" I offered many chances for HEAL to ask questions about Camp E-Hun-Tee. This includes fornits members because there was another Q & A about EHT I started. There was nobody who took advantage of that opportunitiy. Frankly, I'm sick of providing multiple Q & A periods when people are not going to respond. If people are going to bitch about it, then fuck off.
Don't take this the wrong way, but I find that extremely hard to believe, although I didn't check for the validity of the comment. Never, not once, in the history of Fornits have the participants not been all over a willing informant like white on rice. Why do you think the dedicated teen advocates, or whatever the PC term is these days, here weren't interested in hearing your stories and damaging evidence? I just find that incredibly hard to believe? At a loss for how to put it in context.
It's not my problem people chose not to ask questions and showed no interest in asking questions pertaining to evidence. I have different ways of dealing with Camp E-Hun-Tee rather than submitting a written report to ISAC. If people cannot accept that, they can move on.
You're absolutely right. It says more about the lack of interest on Fornits' part than anything about you.
Thanks for indulging me for what, 3 hours, was it? It's good to know that while you have extreme difficutly feeding yourself, you appear fully capable of typing. So you shouldn't have any problem with composing a few documents when you decide to protect children by warning their parents about the dangers of programs you were involved with. :cheers:
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I think you're in the clear here Joel. You get a free pass for being Aaron brother. Rather than being raked over the coals and railroaded out of town for withholding information, which is the Fornits way, you are welcomed. Your silence is clearly "accepted" here. But, if what you say is true, perhaps you'll find it in your heart to share what you know to help end the injury and death of teens under the guise of therapy. You're helping no one by sitting on the valuable information you allege to have.
I will not get raked over the coals and railroaded out of town by trolls. Furthermore, I will not be a pushover the trolls expect me to be. What I respect about your reply [I'm not being sarcastic] is "perhaps you'll find it in your heart to share what you know to help the injury..." I might entertain another Camp E-Hun-Tee thread if people are serious like yourself. There is a small chance this would happen. Key word "small chance." Defending a family member on this website is more of a priority than discussing programs. I am sure some people, excluding trolls, can understand where i' am coming from.
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I think you're in the clear here Joel. You get a free pass for being Aaron brother. Rather than being raked over the coals and railroaded out of town for withholding information, which is the Fornits way, you are welcomed. Your silence is clearly "accepted" here. But, if what you say is true, perhaps you'll find it in your heart to share what you know to help end the injury and death of teens under the guise of therapy. You're helping no one by sitting on the valuable information you allege to have.
And your type of pressure does nothing but push people away. People should be free to share their knowledge in their own way. Why don't you stop complaining, go to the Eckerds thread, and ask a few questions if you are truly so interested in that topic.
Bitch.
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Bitch.
Psy said a bad word! Hahahaha!
There is piles of testimony from everyone involved in the TTI that they are abusive. The problem is enforcement. Just like murder is illegal, and that still happens all the time. You group up the 'troubled' kids together in any situation that is profitable, and guess what you get?
PS this thread sucks
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I think you're in the clear here Joel. You get a free pass for being Aaron brother. Rather than being raked over the coals and railroaded out of town for withholding information, which is the Fornits way, you are welcomed. Your silence is clearly "accepted" here. But, if what you say is true, perhaps you'll find it in your heart to share what you know to help end the injury and death of teens under the guise of therapy. You're helping no one by sitting on the valuable information you allege to have.
And your type of pressure does nothing but push people away. People should be free to share their knowledge in their own way. Why don't you stop complaining, go to the Eckerds thread, and ask a few questions if you are truly so interested in that topic.
Don't you have better things to do than speak for other people? As was suggested earlier, you really do have some issues with negative codependancy, or is it a messiah complex?
Bitch.
Was that an accusation to a non-gender anonymous poster? Or are you peeking at IPs? Just curious?
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The common usage applications of the term bitch has evolved from its' origins as a slur to include both genders.
The term has even become somewhat controversially embraced by women.
Typically when applied to men the hyphenate ass is added. Though now the inflection when calling a man bitch often denotes its’ intended meaning.
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There is piles of testimony from everyone involved in the TTI that they are abusive. The problem is enforcement. Just like murder is illegal, and that still happens all the time. You group up the 'troubled' kids together in any situation that is profitable, and guess what you get?
I think you hit the nail on the head when you wrote, "The problem is enforcement."
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Bitch.
Was that an accusation to a non-gender anonymous poster? Or are you peeking at IPs? Just curious?
Are you dumb? Do you think Psy could peek at your IP and say, "ah-ha, that BITCH! I know that jumble of numbers anywhere"? Your IP might give your location? At best like within, you know, a hundred miles? But baby? There is no gender ID in an ISP address? None? Either you trust the admins or you don't? If you have reason to be afraid of program survivors should you take the chance posting here? You have doubts? The Pope may be infallible? Mere humans who suffered abuse in programs?
It is odd? Trolls expect decency and fair play from the Fornits admins? While posting that one admin had incestuous relations with his mother? You assholes (and bitches) expect a lot of tolerance and protection from people you openly call liars and worse? I'm only saying? But you know?
Not pasting your ISP's out on a wall of shame for all to see? Is proof Fornits has more integrity than the community attacking it? Because as much as you bitch and whine? You know the Fornits admins won't hand you over? Otherwise there would be as much troll activity on the TTI forum as there is on the moderated forums? Which is nil, because the thought of Mama Ginger and Co. not having their backs makes trolls shit in their magic underwear?
Go to hell?
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It is odd? Trolls expect decency and fair play from the Fornits admins? While posting that one admin had incestuous relations with his mother?
Pursuant to the HEAL ideology, trolls would be agents recruited by admins for the sole purpose of encouraging members to violate the US penal code.
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Bitch Bitch Bitch… It was probably intuition or an educated guess or as suggested a gender neutral application of the term. Considering the context… What the hell are they bitching about?
Anyway, magic underwear. That is the second time I’ve seen that term referenced on Fornits. It intrigues me.
What the hell is it and for giggles where can I get some?
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Bitch Bitch Bitch… It was probably intuition or an educated guess or as suggested a gender neutral application of the term. Considering the context… What the hell are they bitching about?
Anyway, magic underwear. That is the second time I’ve seen that term referenced on Fornits. It intrigues me.
What the hell is it and for giggles where can I get some?
You can get magical ritualistic undergarments and knees deep in bitches - on your own damn planet, too. Sucks to be female, though. Unless you're the bottom bitch or love the sisters like the brothers, your husband's visits to the marital bed are on a rotation basis with a bunch of other bitches.
You can get your full Godhood on in stylish undergarments adorned with arcane Magickal scribbles. Isn't that a bitch? Imagine getting two gold plates from GAWD. You translate the insanity on them GAWD insists is the Truth. Then GAWD sends a couple of hard pipe hitting angels to jack the gold plates back and tells you to go forth with the good lunacy. Now you got no proof any of this shit is from GAWD except your own worthless, oft perjured word. On top of that, the word of GAWD sounds like recordings from an acid freak-out tent. Indians and Jesus's gang going to war in America, Magick underwear. All that is a hard sell, people. That's a bitch.
http://www.lds.org/ldsorg/v/index.jsp?v ... 5e340aRCRD (http://www.lds.org/ldsorg/v/index.jsp?vgnextoid=e419fb40e21cef00VgnVCM1000001f5e340aRCRD)
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Bitch Bitch Bitch… It was probably intuition or an educated guess or as suggested a gender neutral application of the term. Considering the context… What the hell are they bitching about?
Anyway, magic underwear. That is the second time I’ve seen that term referenced on Fornits. It intrigues me.
What the hell is it and for giggles where can I get some?
Magic underwear aka "Mormon Temple Garments" complete with picture.
http://www.religionfacts.com/mormonism/ ... arment.htm (http://www.religionfacts.com/mormonism/practices/temple_garment.htm)
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Was that an accusation to a non-gender anonymous poster? Or are you peeking at IPs? Just curious?
I made a reasonable guess as to the identity of the poster based on the name (5 capital letter Captcha used in name box) and writing style. If I'm right, the poster in question knows exactly what I meant by it.
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You can get magical ritualistic undergarments and knees deep in bitches - on your own damn planet, too. Sucks to be female, though. Unless you're the bottom bitch or love the sisters like the brothers, your husband's visits to the marital bed are on a rotation basis with a bunch of other bitches.
You can get your full Godhood on in stylish undergarments adorned with arcane Magickal scribbles. Isn't that a bitch? Imagine getting two gold plates from GAWD. You translate the insanity on them GAWD insists is the Truth. Then GAWD sends a couple of hard pipe hitting angels to jack the gold plates back and tells you to go forth with the good lunacy. Now you got no proof any of this shit is from GAWD except your own worthless, oft perjured word. On top of that, the word of GAWD sounds like recordings from an acid freak-out tent. Indians and Jesus's gang going to war in America, Magick underwear. All that is a hard sell, people. That's a bitch.
http://www.lds.org/ldsorg/v/index.jsp?v ... 5e340aRCRD (http://www.lds.org/ldsorg/v/index.jsp?vgnextoid=e419fb40e21cef00VgnVCM1000001f5e340aRCRD)
Uh, no sale, but perversely funny as hell.
Magic underwear aka "Mormon Temple Garments" complete with picture.
http://www.religionfacts.com/mormonism/ ... arment.htm (http://www.religionfacts.com/mormonism/practices/temple_garment.htm)
Thanks, I followed links. Mormon underwear! Longies no less. Blech.
The little suit and tie guys that occasionally infiltrate my neighborhood never have gotten an opportunity to explain that. Probably because when I see them, I quickly rearrange my countenance into something appropriate that hopefully expresses heathen or hostile and quicken my steps.
I regret my blasphemous longing to possess a pair of magic underwears. For, I would never forsake my love for La Perla, my faith in Eberjay my Cosabella conversion experiences and temptations of comfy boxers.
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Are you dumb? Do you think Psy could peek at your IP and say, "ah-ha, that BITCH!
LOL. Actually I'm informed enough to know he can. You, on the other hand are ignorant enough to think he can't. Remember, he has an IT degree, and happens to be the only person with access to people's private information.
Psy:I made a reasonable guess as to the identity of the poster based on the name (5 capital letter Captcha used in name box) and writing style. If I'm right, the poster in question knows exactly what I meant by it.
Psy put on his messiah hat to preach to others about how wrong it is to speculate that the poster Joel might actually be Aaron, due to their IDENTICAL writing style and IDENTICAL mannerisms. Yet he takes the liberty to call an anonymous poster a BITCH based on a "reasonable guess" and some capital letters and writing style.
I guess the messiah feels his reasonable guess are more accurate than others. He'll defend Aaron/Joel to the death, but remains silent when a suvivor is outed by program staff, except of course to say that unfortunately that's the risk you take posting here.
And how did Psy perceive this:
"But, if what you say is true, perhaps you'll find it in your heart to share what you know to help end the injury and death of teens under the guise of therapy. You're helping no one by sitting on the valuable information you allege to have."
Psy: And your type of pressure does nothing but push people away. People should be free to share their knowledge in their own way.
Making a reasonable, civil, request is pressure? And for that, he calls the poster a bitch? Just depends on which of Psy's lists you're on. Provided Joel is actually posting here, and were anyone but Aaron's brother, he wouldn't be encouraged, even pressured. He would be browbeat, called traitor, industry shill, spied on, his identity possibly exposed if it could be located. And not one person would suggest that it was wrong for Joel's public information to be posted here.
Bias, Double Standard, aren't wrong provided you're up front about it. But to falsely claim there is no Bias or Double Standard, that everyone is treated equally, is wrong, and deceptive. Your actions speak much louder than your messianic words, Psy. If you actually acted with the high moral character you proclaim, you'd spend less time defending yourself.
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Psy put on his messiah hat to preach to others about how wrong it is to speculate that the poster Joel might actually be Aaron, due to their IDENTICAL writing style and IDENTICAL mannerisms. Yet he takes the liberty to call an anonymous poster a BITCH based on a "reasonable guess" and some capital letters and writing style.
Difference is that I did not state who I was referring to publicly. Nobody knows who I am "guessing" about but me, you, and a few others who have been round here long enough to remember. Considering I did not get your identity from IP address, I am well within my rights to state publicly what I suspect your identity to be, but considering I would probably be blamed for "peeking", i'm not going to do that. I can't even speculate publicly anymore, for that reason.
remains silent when a suvivor is outed by program staff, except of course to say that unfortunately that's the risk you take posting here.
Please tell me when I've remained silent when that has happened? Examples, please.
And how did Psy perceive this:
"But, if what you say is true, perhaps you'll find it in your heart to share what you know to help end the injury and death of teens under the guise of therapy. You're helping no one by sitting on the valuable information you allege to have."
Psy: And your type of pressure does nothing but push people away. People should be free to share their knowledge in their own way.
Making a reasonable, civil, request is pressure? And for that, he calls the poster a bitch?
No. That one sentence was civil. In context, it was not. Anybody who has read the thread and the others knows that.
Just depends on which of Psy's lists you're on. Provided Joel is actually posting here, and were anyone but Aaron's brother, he wouldn't be encouraged, even pressured. He would be browbeat, called traitor, industry shill, spied on, his identity possibly exposed if it could be located.
I wasn't admin at the time I made those comments about CCM. I also learned some things since that point. Matured a little.
When CCM started advocating programs, I should have talked to her privately rather than handle it publicly like I did. I was wrong to make those comments about her as I was wrong to put up a "Pot" for Whooter's identity (despite the fact that none of that involved any abuse of any admin powers). If I'm right about who you are, though, as I recall you bid a grand in that pot.
I suggest rereading your last post and thinking about how many times you've done the things you've accused me of. Seriously. Who is the real hypocrite around here?
Bias, Double Standard, aren't wrong provided you're up front about it. But to falsely claim there is no Bias or Double Standard, that everyone is treated equally, is wrong, and deceptive. Your actions speak much louder than your messianic words, Psy. If you actually acted with the high moral character you proclaim, you'd spend less time defending yourself.
Sometimes it's necessary. Otherwise people are more likely to believe the falsehoods. I also don't claim to be of a high moral charachter. I try, but that's all.
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Making a reasonable, civil, request is pressure? And for that, he calls the poster a bitch? Just depends on which of Psy's lists you're on. Provided Joel is actually posting here, and were anyone but Aaron's brother, he wouldn't be encouraged, even pressured. He would be browbeat, called traitor, industry shill, spied on, his identity possibly exposed if it could be located. And not one person would suggest that it was wrong for Joel's public information to be posted here.
The pressure comes from multiple requests, insults and attacking other family members. I encourage you to focus on what the main objectives of this website. Trolls are using dirty "brow beating" tactics. Their sole purpose is to bully me from posting on this website which seems to be the norm w hen they don't get what they want. There is nobody stopping you from never posting on fornits if your main focus is myself or Aaron.
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LOL. Actually I'm informed enough to know he can. You, on the other hand are ignorant enough to think he can't. Remember, he has an IT degree, and happens to be the only person with access to people's private information.
I'm not the dumbass posting on a forum with admins I don't trust, worried about my privacy. If you are so informed, why did you ask what you claim to already know? How much private information did you submit when you registered? Informed people lie about that shit, your handlers are slacking off.
Some people are born to bitch.
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LOL. Actually I'm informed enough to know he can. You, on the other hand are ignorant enough to think he can't. Remember, he has an IT degree, and happens to be the only person with access to people's private information.
I'm not the dumbass posting on a forum with admins I don't trust, worried about my privacy.
Good point. Makes you wonder whether this person truly believes what he/she is claiming.
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This thread is beyond ludicrous. Some people take this site WAAAAAAAAAAAAYYYYYYYYYYY too seriously for their own good. They think programs will save the world or something. Then there are the annoying advocates who waste their breath. What they all need is a strait-jacket, that's what they need. :fuckoff: :moon: