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Treatment Abuse, Behavior Modification, Thought Reform => The Troubled Teen Industry => Topic started by: Anonymous on October 13, 2009, 08:59:28 AM
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Boarding School Pros and Cons
Many boarding schools pointedly note that, these days, the "prep" in "prep school" refers not just to college preparation -- it also means preparation for life.
All in all, a boarding school education prepares the student to answer the question that every college wants to know about the student's high-school years: How much did you grow?
Why NOT attend a traditional boarding school?
* If a troubled teen doesn't want to attend a traditional boarding school, don't force it on him or her. A good specialty boarding school can magnify motivation even if the teen is initially unwilling to attend.
* Traditional Boarding School students are highly motivated, self-disciplined well-mannered students. If your son or daughter isn’t self-disciplined or highly motivated other more appropriate educational options should be considered.
* If it is a troubled teen, or a teen with a history of special needs, such as an eating disorder or psychological problems. In these cases, it's important for the school to have special medical and counseling staff to meet the student's needs. See information on specialty boarding schools below
* If the student has never met a rule he or she wasn't challenged to break.
* If the student is clearly unable to accept new ideas and adapt to new social interactions.
However, in many of these cases, there is an effective solution -- some specialty boarding schools are geared specifically to providing such troubled teens with guidance, the necessary social structure and an excellent education.
These schools are very unique and have proven themselves to be phenomenal in their ability to help troubled teens and their families reunite while simultaneously allowing the teen fantastic life, emotional and academic educational opportunities. Counseling is also available at these schools and these boarding schools are able to work with students that do not wish to be in such educational environments.
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^same post was posted a couple hours ago by Whooter Jr and then deleted
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Who is Whooter Jr?
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There are pros and cons at any boarding school.
The pros are the ones who are gifted in relieving you of your money.
The cons are the ones who are in direct contact with your children.
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There are pros and cons at any boarding school.
The pros are the ones who are gifted in relieving you of your money.
The cons are the ones who are in direct contact with your children.
:roflmao:
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There are pros and cons at any boarding school.
The pros are the ones who are gifted in relieving you of your money.
The cons are the ones who are in direct contact with your children.
:roflmao:
So true...giggles
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These schools are very unique and have proven themselves to be phenomenal in their ability to help troubled teens and their families reunite while simultaneously allowing the teen fantastic life, emotional and academic educational opportunities. Counseling is also available at these schools and these boarding schools are able to work with students that do not wish to be in such educational environments.
Thanks for posting, do you have a link you can give us?
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http://http://www.cafety.org is a great site about residential programs for teens.
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If a troubled teen doesn't want to attend a traditional boarding school, don't force it on him or her. A good specialty boarding school can magnify motivation even if the teen is initially unwilling to attend.
This is a good point. One of the arguments is that therapy doesn’t work if it is forced which I agree with. But in the specialty schools after an initial period of settling in the child typically takes to the therapy and thus the school can be very beneficial.
Kids who attend traditional boarding schools need to be self starters and naturally motivated.
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If a troubled teen doesn't want to attend a traditional boarding school, don't force it on him or her. A good specialty boarding school can magnify motivation even if the teen is initially unwilling to attend.
. But in the specialty schools after an initial period of settling in the child typically takes to the therapy and thus the school can be very beneficial.
No studies support that the one size fits all, coercive model of therapeutic boarding schools are effective... certainly they are not ethical.http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Therapeuti ... ontroversy (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Therapeutic_boarding_school#Controversy)
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I will re-post what I said in the deleted thread.
Obvious troll is obvious.
While we're at it, let's compare programs to sleepaway camps, too, since the only common denominator among any of these is that the kid is away from home.
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Great original post! If I may add with regard to selecting a boarding school, some schools provide troubled teens and students with hands-on activities that help them develop their skills and character. For instance, real-life immersion studies such as working on a farm or ranch enables the studies to learn about farming as well as help them develop a sense of discipline that will then help them realize their self worth should they continue to rehabilitate themselves. Lastly, boarding schools with a proven philosophical and educational framework will pretty much determine what you need to learn about the schools.
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Yes! Program spambots on Fornits! More! We must have more program spambots!
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Yes! Program spambots on Fornits! More! We must have more program spambots!
Spambots (http://http://www.fornits.com/phpbb/memberlist.php?mode=viewprofile&u=6318) are about as human as the programmies I say.
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The boarding school environment challenges a student to develop new social and academic skills while learning in a new environment. Whether the experience of a boarding school is beneficial or harmful depends on the student. The school offers opportunities for some students to learn away from negative influences. For others, the boarding school environment can appear to be a prison and result in the student shutting down to the learning process.
Read more: Pro & Cons of Boarding Schools | eHow.com http://www.ehow.com/list_6585491_pro-co ... z0uLO7fOUC (http://www.ehow.com/list_6585491_pro-cons-boarding-schools.html#ixzz0uLO7fOUC)
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Yes! Program spambots on Fornits! More! We must have more program spambots!
Pile are you part of SICCO, you must account for your membership. We are watching you. Extremism will not be tolerated.
AAAaaarrrrgggghhh....... EYES ARE EVERYWHERE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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My dad made me go to boarding school from the tenth grade. Before that i was a day student at the same place. Both of my brothers and my sister thrived as boarders but i really hated it. The lack of privacy, the lord of the flies like behavior of my dorm mates and the everything tastes like soap blandness of the food all made boarding school crappy. I was happier at the local public.
But I wouldn't say my experience was damaging. It was just a lousy match.
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http://www.mothering.com/discussions/sh ... ?t=1246587 (http://www.mothering.com/discussions/showthread.php?t=1246587)
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Lols. "beautifuldisaster" is a spambot for a "troubled teen" program referral site. It posts here, too.
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http://www.mothering.com/discussions/sh ... ?t=1246587 (http://www.mothering.com/discussions/showthread.php?t=1246587)
Lols. "beautifuldisaster" is a spambot for a "troubled teen" program referral site. It posts here, too.
Lol. To spell it out for posterity's sake, and for late comers to this thread:
Originally posted (http://http://www.fornits.com/phpbb/viewtopic.php?f=9&t=28977#p370419) here on fornits on 21 Jul 2010:
Great original post! If I may add with regard to selecting a boarding school, some schools provide troubled teens and students with hands-on activities that help them develop their skills and character. For instance, real-life immersion studies such as working on a farm or ranch enables the studies to learn about farming as well as help them develop a sense of discipline that will then help them realize their self worth should they continue to rehabilitate themselves. Lastly, boarding schools with a proven philosophical and educational framework will pretty much determine what you need to learn about the schools.
Link in beautifuldisaster's footer (fornits), which points to the same site as a link in beautifuldisaster's post on mothering.com: Boarding schools (http://http://www.teen-boarding-school.com/)
I'd say this entailed a bit more conscious intention than a bot could produce, but ... it's not like I would really know! :D
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A little more on the subject:
A boarding school provides a level of structure for the students. Rules are set forth not only for the classroom, but also for the school after class ends for the day. Students are responsible for their own behavior and ability to follow the rules. If the student fails to follow the guidelines set forth by the school, there are defined penalties. Students learn that there are consequences for their actions in every day life.
Read more: Pro & Cons of Boarding Schools | eHow.com http://www.ehow.com/list_6585491_pro-co ... z0ud7Ao6rR (http://www.ehow.com/list_6585491_pro-cons-boarding-schools.html#ixzz0ud7Ao6rR)
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This is a good point. One of the arguments is that therapy doesn’t work if it is forced which I agree with. But in the specialty schools after an initial period of settling in the child typically takes to the therapy and thus the school can be very beneficial.
Kids who attend traditional boarding schools need to be self starters and naturally motivated.
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I agree. As with most things in life. Success is up to the individual, even in the case of teens. I attended a boarding school and it wasn't until I made up my mind to work and attend therapy with the proper attetude that I found success. I'm glad for my time at West Ridge Academy http://http://www.troubledteensut.com/. It made me a better person, but I needed to decide I was going to work at it.
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Video about West Ridge Academy / Utah Boys Ranch
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aTdzGPx4 ... r_embedded (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aTdzGPx4Fek&feature=player_embedded)
Just in case it hasn't been posted on here yet.
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This is a good point. One of the arguments is that therapy doesn’t work if it is forced which I agree with. But in the specialty schools after an initial period of settling in the child typically takes to the therapy and thus the school can be very beneficial.
Kids who attend traditional boarding schools need to be self starters and naturally motivated.
Guest
I agree. As with most things in life. Success is up to the individual, even in the case of teens. I attended a boarding school and it wasn't until I made up my mind to work and attend therapy with the proper attetude that I found success. I'm glad for my time at West Ridge Academy http://http://www.troubledteensut.com/. It made me a better person, but I needed to decide I was going to work at it.
Thanks Kim72, I think that is where many here get confused when they state that forced therapy can never be effective. I think many kids start out digging their heels in and resisting but eventually decide to take advantage of the help around them. Those kids, like yourself saw an opportunity to help themselves and did it. There are others who just faked their way through the system and came out no better or even worse then when they went in and proceeded to spend their lives blaming the school for their failures.
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This is a good point. One of the arguments is that therapy doesn’t work if it is forced which I agree with. But in the specialty schools after an initial period of settling in the child typically takes to the therapy and thus the school can be very beneficial.
Kids who attend traditional boarding schools need to be self starters and naturally motivated.
Guest
I agree. As with most things in life. Success is up to the individual, even in the case of teens. I attended a boarding school and it wasn't until I made up my mind to work and attend therapy with the proper attetude that I found success. I'm glad for my time at West Ridge Academy http://http://www.troubledteensut.com/. It made me a better person, but I needed to decide I was going to work at it.
Thanks Kim72, I think that is where many here get confused when they state that forced therapy can never be effective. I think many kids start out digging their heels in and resisting but eventually decide to take advantage of the help around them. Those kids, like yourself saw an opportunity to help themselves and did it. There are others who just faked their way through the system and came out no better or even worse then when they went in and proceeded to spend their lives blaming the school for their failures.
Wow. So those folks who balk at swallowing the bullshit that charlatans and therapy hacks would cram down their throats, have only themselves to blame for the abuse they experienced?
That makes zero sense. Unless you buy - hook, line, and sinker - the whole "victims are to blame" mentality... Is that what you subscribe to, Whooter?
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This is a good point. One of the arguments is that therapy doesn’t work if it is forced which I agree with. But in the specialty schools after an initial period of settling in the child typically takes to the therapy and thus the school can be very beneficial.
Kids who attend traditional boarding schools need to be self starters and naturally motivated.
Guest
I agree. As with most things in life. Success is up to the individual, even in the case of teens. I attended a boarding school and it wasn't until I made up my mind to work and attend therapy with the proper attetude that I found success. I'm glad for my time at West Ridge Academy http://http://www.troubledteensut.com/. It made me a better person, but I needed to decide I was going to work at it.
Thanks Kim72, I think that is where many here get confused when they state that forced therapy can never be effective. I think many kids start out digging their heels in and resisting but eventually decide to take advantage of the help around them. Those kids, like yourself saw an opportunity to help themselves and did it. There are others who just faked their way through the system and came out no better or even worse then when they went in and proceeded to spend their lives blaming the school for their failures.
Wow. So those folks who balk at swallowing the bullshit that charlatans and therapy hacks would cram down their throats, have only themselves to blame for the abuse they experienced?
That makes zero sense. Unless you buy - hook, line, and sinker - the whole "victims are to blame" mentality... Is that what you subscribe to, Whooter?
No, Ursus, I am not talking about the kids that have been abused. I am talking about the ones who never bothered to apply themselves and therefore lost an opportunity.
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This is a good point. One of the arguments is that therapy doesn’t work if it is forced which I agree with. But in the specialty schools after an initial period of settling in the child typically takes to the therapy and thus the school can be very beneficial.
Kids who attend traditional boarding schools need to be self starters and naturally motivated.
Guest
I agree. As with most things in life. Success is up to the individual, even in the case of teens. I attended a boarding school and it wasn't until I made up my mind to work and attend therapy with the proper attetude that I found success. I'm glad for my time at West Ridge Academy http://http://www.troubledteensut.com/. It made me a better person, but I needed to decide I was going to work at it.
Interestingly enough, Kim72, when I visited your link earlier today, it was quite obviously still under construction. Since then, a fair amount of progress has been made.
If you actually were a bona fide former attendee at West Ridge Academy, chances are you would not have known about the website you linked to. Chances are, you would not have known about that website no matter who you were ... unless you were constructing it yourself, or were somehow integrally involved in said process.
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If you actually were a bona fide former attendee at West Ridge Academy, chances are you would not have known about the website you linked to. Chances are, you would not have known about that website no matter who you were ... unless you were constructing it yourself, or were somehow integrally involved in said process.
How come you are not as inquisitive about posters who say they were abused at programs? The ones that said they were wrapped from head to toe in duct tape and then transported to the coast during a Typhoon and then thrown in the ocean? Those posts seem to pass the sniff test? lol
just ask'in
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Speaking of abuse... Whooter can talk about the pros and cons. When he was locked up as a con, a huge black guy turned him into a pro...at shitting himself.
Of course you did not find anything. As stated previously the entire thread is gone. This has happened to a lot of data in the 2 moved which have just occured. The who deleted his post claiming that he repaid his debt to society but the entire thread has been removed.
Th Anne bonney, unfortunately you are wrong. I wish that you were not. I am not the who. I genuinely recall seeing this post. it is extremely frustrating that it appears to no longer exist as it is information that any parent should be aware of when reading this bastard's posts.
Hey, I'm not saying it did or didn't happen and that is damned frustrating. He's the only one who can do that. I was just presenting a theory. I wish there was some way to retrieve it. Have you contacted Ginger or anyone else through PMs to see if there is any chance? There must at least be a Google 'cached' page?? I have no idea what I'm talking about so someone tell me if that's not possible.
Hey. Let's try this.
The Who.....have you ever been charged with lewd and lascivious behavior or child molestation or anything similar? Anything in that realm? This is your chance to state, unequivocally one way or the other what your side of the story is. Or do you not want to 'go on record' so to speak, denying it in case you're proven wrong later? I really have no fucking clue.
Hi Anne, seems I am on the hot seat:
Actually I do have a record...I was arrested several times in Boston and once in Ann Arbor Michigan...I will never forget they separated me from the others for some reason and I ended up in a cell with 5 other people. This one hue black guy who was obviously drunk out of his mind kept falling asleep and then falling off his bench...he would then wake up and look right at me and say something like : if you push me again white boy I will "F" you up so much even your mother will not love you..... I was so scared...
Lols. Whooter does the crime and then craps his pants in jail (http://http://www.fornits.com/phpbb/viewtopic.php?f=9&t=23338&p=284895&hilit=+arrest#p284869). Awww...another BAWWW sesion.
Which part is funnier? Your criminal record you lied about or the fact that you got punked in jail and crapped your drawers?
I think many readers would agree that the latter is what shapes your need to try to "punk" others on a message board even if you have to lie to try to make people look bad so they won't take a good look at you.
Poor Whooter got punked by a "huge black guy" in jail. He was scawed! Bwack people are so scawy!
:waaaa: :waaaa: :waaaa:
You're a phony and a punk. :roflmao:
Just sayin'. People should know about your criminal history and how you got punked by the scary black men in the joint.
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What, Ursus? Program staff pretending to be a "successful" graduate? Naw! Say it ain't so!
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This is a good point. One of the arguments is that therapy doesn’t work if it is forced which I agree with. But in the specialty schools after an initial period of settling in the child typically takes to the therapy and thus the school can be very beneficial.
Kids who attend traditional boarding schools need to be self starters and naturally motivated.
Guest
I agree. As with most things in life. Success is up to the individual, even in the case of teens. I attended a boarding school and it wasn't until I made up my mind to work and attend therapy with the proper attetude that I found success. I'm glad for my time at West Ridge Academy http://http://www.troubledteensut.com/. It made me a better person, but I needed to decide I was going to work at it.
Thanks Kim72, I think that is where many here get confused when they state that forced therapy can never be effective. I think many kids start out digging their heels in and resisting but eventually decide to take advantage of the help around them. Those kids, like yourself saw an opportunity to help themselves and did it. There are others who just faked their way through the system and came out no better or even worse then when they went in and proceeded to spend their lives blaming the school for their failures.
Wow. So those folks who balk at swallowing the bullshit that charlatans and therapy hacks would cram down their throats, have only themselves to blame for the abuse they experienced?
That makes zero sense. Unless you buy - hook, line, and sinker - the whole "victims are to blame" mentality... Is that what you subscribe to, Whooter?
No what makes "Zero Sense" is when you don't stop for one second before you respond and consider Kim72 is absolutely speaking her truth. That makes "Zero Sense", Ursus.
This has nothing to do with Whooter and everything to do with your constant disrespect for posters who say something you don't want to hear.
You will find some malicious fabricated story or bit of a post that was carelessly posted to humiliate them, so you don't have to hear there opinions.
Ursus you are not a fair man and you will "reap what you sow".
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Hear, hear, Danny!
I'll say two things: first, I was forced to go to boarding school as a teen - it turned out to be a very progressive school in the Berkshires and it contributed to my delinquency as a minor, so of course I liked that! Now as a parent, I have seen some initially reluctant kids come out of programs with a different - positive - opinion after the experience, and some are actually grateful!
Also, I know many people who have had drug and alcohol interventions and were coerced into treatment. Of course that does not always work in cleaning up an addict, but often enough it does work ! Decisions sometimes have to be made for people either for their benefit or to protect society around them, and while they might not like those decisions at the time, they can end up saving their lives.
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Hear, hear, Danny!
I'll say two things: first, I was forced to go to boarding school as a teen - it turned out to be a very progressive school in the Berkshires and it contributed to my delinquency as a minor, so of course I liked that! Now as a parent, I have seen some initially reluctant kids come out of programs with a different - positive - opinion after the experience, and some are actually grateful!
Also, I know many people who have had drug and alcohol interventions and were coerced into treatment. Of course that does not always work in cleaning up an addict, but often enough it does work ! Decisions sometimes have to be made for people either for their benefit or to protect society around them, and while they might not like those decisions at the time, they can end up saving their lives.
Very well stated, TigerEye. I like the fresh perspective you bring here.
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Of course you did not find anything. As stated previously the entire thread is gone. This has happened to a lot of data in the 2 moved which have just occured. The who deleted his post claiming that he repaid his debt to society but the entire thread has been removed.
Th Anne bonney, unfortunately you are wrong. I wish that you were not. I am not the who. I genuinely recall seeing this post. it is extremely frustrating that it appears to no longer exist as it is information that any parent should be aware of when reading this bastard's posts.
Hey, I'm not saying it did or didn't happen and that is damned frustrating. He's the only one who can do that. I was just presenting a theory. I wish there was some way to retrieve it. Have you contacted Ginger or anyone else through PMs to see if there is any chance? There must at least be a Google 'cached' page?? I have no idea what I'm talking about so someone tell me if that's not possible.
Hey. Let's try this.
The Who.....have you ever been charged with lewd and lascivious behavior or child molestation or anything similar? Anything in that realm? This is your chance to state, unequivocally one way or the other what your side of the story is. Or do you not want to 'go on record' so to speak, denying it in case you're proven wrong later? I really have no fucking clue.
Hi Anne, seems I am on the hot seat:
Actually I do have a record...I was arrested several times in Boston and once in Ann Arbor Michigan...I will never forget they separated me from the others for some reason and I ended up in a cell with 5 other people. This one hue black guy who was obviously drunk out of his mind kept falling asleep and then falling off his bench...he would then wake up and look right at me and say something like : if you push me again white boy I will "F" you up so much even your mother will not love you..... I was so scared...
Lols. Whooter does the crime and then craps his pants in jail (http://http://www.fornits.com/phpbb/viewtopic.php?f=9&t=23338&p=284895&hilit=+arrest#p284869). Awww...another BAWWW sesion.
Which part is funnier? Your criminal record you lied about or the fact that you got punked in jail and crapped your drawers?
I think many readers would agree that the latter is what shapes your need to try to "punk" others on a message board even if you have to lie to try to make people look bad so they won't take a good look at you.
Poor Whooter got punked by a "huge black guy" in jail. He was scawed! Bwack people are so scawy!
:waaaa: :waaaa: :waaaa:
You're a phony and a punk. :roflmao:
Whooter's fresh perspective involves scary black men while he was locked up. What did they do to you in there that damaged you so badly for life I wonder?
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Yet he's not the one stroking his shotgun while in bed every night because a couple of prank calls.
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Hey Disfunction,
And we are supposed to care...why exactly?
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Aaaaaaaand it's devolved into another programmie-stroking thread. Time to get out the milder images first.
(http://http://images.encyclopediadramatica.com/images/e/ee/Christianvictim.jpg)
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I'll say two things: first, I was forced to go to boarding school as a teen - it turned out to be a very progressive school in the Berkshires and it contributed to my delinquency as a minor, so of course I liked that! Now as a parent, I have seen some initially reluctant kids come out of programs with a different - positive - opinion after the experience, and some are actually grateful!
Are you trying to say that schools which leave too much responsibility in the hands of minors are (in part) at fault for some kids' delinquency? How many of those kids end up growing out of that stage relatively unscathed, not to mention end up acquiring a unique perspective on becoming an adult? Maybe it didn't work out so well in your case, but is that reason enough to swing to the opposite extreme, that programs are the answer?
Also, I know many people who have had drug and alcohol interventions and were coerced into treatment. Of course that does not always work in cleaning up an addict, but often enough it does work ! Decisions sometimes have to be made for people either for their benefit or to protect society around them, and while they might not like those decisions at the time, they can end up saving their lives.
This is the classic line that addicts typically use when attempting to rationalize coercing or forcing other addicts into treatment. Perhaps I'm presuming too much by saying this, but hearing it used so easily and so flippantly here, gives me pause as to where you're coming from...
Coercion always carries a cost. Opting for a course of that nature should never be an easy decision, iff opted for at all. Sometimes that cost is far greater than any benefits a so-called cure could possibly bring. Sometimes that coercion ends up costing a kid their life.
Sure, I've seen a lot of kids come out of programs with an apparent different "attitude," but it usually doesn't last. In fact, I really don't think these programs change kids all that much in the long run, at least not for the better.
These programs *do*, however, have the ability to inflict long-term psychological damage. And for which, I might add, they rarely take responsibility for. Unless they're legally forced to.
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I'll say two things: first, I was forced to go to boarding school as a teen - it turned out to be a very progressive school in the Berkshires and it contributed to my delinquency as a minor, so of course I liked that! Now as a parent, I have seen some initially reluctant kids come out of programs with a different - positive - opinion after the experience, and some are actually grateful!
Are you trying to say that schools which leave too much responsibility in the hands of minors are (in part) at fault for some kids' delinquency? How many of those kids end up growing out of that stage relatively unscathed, not to mention end up acquiring a unique perspective on becoming an adult? Maybe it didn't work out so well in your case, but is that reason enough to swing to the opposite extreme, that programs are the answer?
Well Ursus as in your case it did not work out so well, which is why you ended up in treatment. To answer your question not many at all. Most end up in a lot of trouble. I am not saying having to go away is the answer but unscathed is a pipe dream.
Also, I know many people who have had drug and alcohol interventions and were coerced into treatment. Of course that does not always work in cleaning up an addict, but often enough it does work ! Decisions sometimes have to be made for people either for their benefit or to protect society around them, and while they might not like those decisions at the time, they can end up saving their lives.
This is the classic line that addicts typically use when attempting to rationalize coercing or forcing other addicts into treatment. Perhaps I'm presuming too much by saying this, but hearing it used so easily and so flippantly here, gives me pause as to where you're coming from...
Please keep your narcissistic attitude to yourself please, you have no experience with addicts at all except to condescend. There is no rationalization here at all. If you knew anything about a addict you would know, you can't coerce a drug addict to do anything he does not want to do. Please Ursus.
Coercion always carries a cost. Opting for a course of that nature should never be an easy decision, iff opted for at all. Sometimes that cost is far greater than any benefits a so-called cure could possibly bring. Sometimes that coercion ends up costing a kid their life.
Yep here it comes the extra drama, just settle for, that you made a point. You went to treatment and made it out alive with no problem. Hyde Prep School Grad.
Sure, I've seen a lot of kids come out of programs with an apparent different "attitude," but it usually doesn't last. In fact, I really don't think these programs change kids all that much in the long run, at least not for the better.
No the kids that came out with a great attitude don't last but the kids that came out with a negative attitude do. Maybe the kids that came out with a negative attitude also change to become positive. So far we have seen a lot of this here on this site.
Don't be so narrow minded.
These programs *do*, however, have the ability to inflict long-term psychological damage. And for which, I might add, programs rarely take responsibility for. Unless they are legally forced to.
Well they also have the ability to inflict a profound positive change in a youngsters life. I seen that also, Ursus. Not all programs are bad.
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Gee, where to start here...Ursus, I'm not sure what the question was - I was just relating my experience...I turned out OK eventually - dependent on drugs and alcohol as many of my cohorts were, but boarding school wasn't a bad experience for me. Which was supposedly the discussion on this thread.
I do know something about addicts and alcoholics and some recover, most don't, and some of those who recover were coerced in one way or another. Sometimes merely through a family intervention. My point was that people won't always opt to get the help they need, but eventually can respond favorably when the help is brought to them.
That's all.
Oh, and what is Pile of Dead Kids' problem? If he posts pictures of tortured, mutilated and dead children will he be banned, or would that be a violation of his First Amendment rights? What set him off - our discussion about boarding school? :eek:
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does anyone know if the costa rico boarding school is still bad or if they cleaned it up? Has anyone been there in the past 2 years?
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does anyone know if the costa rico boarding school is still bad or if they cleaned it up? Has anyone been there in the past 2 years?
Hah, which one? There's at least two by last count. But if it's still open, I assure you, no cleaning's been done.
If he posts pictures of tortured, mutilated and dead children will he be banned?
I don't know. Will you be banned for posting stupid shit and sending your kid off to a hellhole like CALO?
Here's an idea. I am convinced that your numerous psychological problems are caused by not getting laid enough. And so, I believe it's time to schedule an intervention, involving five well-endowed Negroes. Now, I understand that you might not want to accept this necessary, life-saving treatment, and I understand that you might feel that this help will be a negative experience and would not want to opt for it. However, with enough enormous black cock pounding your bleeding asshole over and over again, you could be able to understand and even enjoy the necessity of this intervention. It's for your own good, after all.
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"Here's an idea. I am convinced that your numerous psychological problems are caused by not getting laid enough. And so, I believe it's time to schedule an intervention, involving five well-endowed Negroes. Now, I understand that you might not want to accept this necessary, life-saving treatment, and I understand that you might feel that this help will be a negative experience and would not want to opt for it. However, with enough enormous black cock pounding your bleeding asshole over and over again, you could be able to understand and even enjoy the necessity of this intervention. It's for your own good, after all."
I'm sorry if that happened to you, P. Was that in jail or in treatment? Sounds painful and it obviously didn't help YOU any...
Oh, and your crudeness has lost its shock value, sorry!
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"Here's an idea. I am convinced that your numerous psychological problems are caused by not getting laid enough. And so, I believe it's time to schedule an intervention, involving five well-endowed Negroes. Now, I understand that you might not want to accept this necessary, life-saving treatment, and I understand that you might feel that this help will be a negative experience and would not want to opt for it. However, with enough enormous black cock pounding your bleeding asshole over and over again, you could be able to understand and even enjoy the necessity of this intervention. It's for your own good, after all."
I'm sorry if that happened to you, P. Was that in jail or in treatment? Sounds painful and it obviously didn't help YOU any...
Oh, and your crudeness has lost its shock value, sorry!
His whole purpose here and why he was hired along with Ursus, is to try and coerce you off this site, please hang in there and just be you.
Thanks for being here Tiger.
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I'll say two things: first, I was forced to go to boarding school as a teen - it turned out to be a very progressive school in the Berkshires and it contributed to my delinquency as a minor, so of course I liked that! Now as a parent, I have seen some initially reluctant kids come out of programs with a different - positive - opinion after the experience, and some are actually grateful!
Are you trying to say that schools which leave too much responsibility in the hands of minors are (in part) at fault for some kids' delinquency? How many of those kids end up growing out of that stage relatively unscathed, not to mention end up acquiring a unique perspective on becoming an adult? Maybe it didn't work out so well in your case, but is that reason enough to swing to the opposite extreme, that programs are the answer?
Well Ursus as in your case it did not work out so well, which is why you ended up in treatment. To answer your question not many at all. Most end up in a lot of trouble. I am not saying having to go away is the answer but unscathed is a pipe dream.
Also, I know many people who have had drug and alcohol interventions and were coerced into treatment. Of course that does not always work in cleaning up an addict, but often enough it does work ! Decisions sometimes have to be made for people either for their benefit or to protect society around them, and while they might not like those decisions at the time, they can end up saving their lives.
This is the classic line that addicts typically use when attempting to rationalize coercing or forcing other addicts into treatment. Perhaps I'm presuming too much by saying this, but hearing it used so easily and so flippantly here, gives me pause as to where you're coming from...
Please keep your narcissistic attitude to yourself please, you have no experience with addicts at all except to condescend. There is no rationalization here at all. If you knew anything about a addict you would know, you can't coerce a drug addict to do anything he does not want to do. Please Ursus.
Coercion always carries a cost. Opting for a course of that nature should never be an easy decision, iff opted for at all. Sometimes that cost is far greater than any benefits a so-called cure could possibly bring. Sometimes that coercion ends up costing a kid their life.
Yep here it comes the extra drama, just settle for, that you made a point. You went to treatment and made it out alive with no problem. Hyde Prep School Grad.
Sure, I've seen a lot of kids come out of programs with an apparent different "attitude," but it usually doesn't last. In fact, I really don't think these programs change kids all that much in the long run, at least not for the better.
No the kids that came out with a great attitude don't last but the kids that came out with a negative attitude do. Maybe the kids that came out with a negative attitude also change to become positive. So far we have seen a lot of this here on this site.
Don't be so narrow minded.
These programs *do*, however, have the ability to inflict long-term psychological damage. And for which, I might add, programs rarely take responsibility for. Unless they are legally forced to.
Well they also have the ability to inflict a profound positive change in a youngsters life. I seen that also, Ursus. Not all programs are bad.
:roflmao: :roflmao: Gosh, Danny, you always make me laugh. You try so hard to pretend you have a clue .... and with such authority, no less! LOLLLLL...
I see you nattering on and on 'bout one or another of your presumed nemeses, one of which would appear to be me, and I usually can't be bothered to correct your doomed flights of fancy. Anyone who's seen more than a half dozen of your posts knows all too well, or at the very least suspects, that you just sling a whole lot of mud, factual or not, and just pray that enough of it sticks for it to bother someone.
Has it ever occurred to you that not everyone "needed treatment" like you, a self-professed junkie by age 13, in fact, a "junkie, wino, criminal, womanizer, gambler, drug dealer ect..... (http://http://www.fornits.com/phpbb/viewtopic.php?f=48&t=29342&p=368253#p368253)" 'till late into your 20s, according to numerous accounts made by you. In fact, you would appear to be one of those "worst case scenarios" that programs try so hard to convince parents of, that their kids are in imminent danger of becoming. I can see what a desirable spokesmodel you might be, for an industry feeling an economic pinch that's lasted longer than expected.
Those two kids you allege to have been a father to, starting whilst you were still at Elan, must have had a real gem of a childhood. Of course, for all we know, they could be another one of your flights of fancy... :D
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"Here's an idea. I am convinced that your numerous psychological problems are caused by not getting laid enough. And so, I believe it's time to schedule an intervention, involving five well-endowed Negroes. Now, I understand that you might not want to accept this necessary, life-saving treatment, and I understand that you might feel that this help will be a negative experience and would not want to opt for it. However, with enough enormous black cock pounding your bleeding asshole over and over again, you could be able to understand and even enjoy the necessity of this intervention. It's for your own good, after all."
I'm sorry if that happened to you, P. Was that in jail or in treatment? Sounds painful and it obviously didn't help YOU any...
Oh, and your crudeness has lost its shock value, sorry!
His whole purpose here and why he was hired along with Ursus, is to try and coerce you off this site, please hang in there and just be you.
Thanks for being here Tiger.
:rofl: ...More delusions of grandeur! Classic!
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Here's an idea. I am convinced that your numerous psychological problems are caused by not getting laid enough. And so, I believe it's time to schedule an intervention, involving five well-endowed Negroes. Now, I understand that you might not want to accept this necessary, life-saving treatment, and I understand that you might feel that this help will be a negative experience and would not want to opt for it. However, with enough enormous black cock pounding your bleeding asshole over and over again, you could be able to understand and even enjoy the necessity of this intervention. It's for your own good, after all.
I'm sorry if that happened to you, P. Was that in jail or in treatment? Sounds painful and it obviously didn't help YOU any...
Oh, and your crudeness has lost its shock value, sorry!
His whole purpose here and why he was hired along with Ursus, is to try and coerce you off this site, please hang in there and just be you.
Thanks for being here Tiger.
Damn, TigerEye. That was crude and racist. And now Whooter has to change his underpants. You can't be flippantly tossing out black references without him soiling himself.
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"Here's an idea. I am convinced that your numerous psychological problems are caused by not getting laid enough. And so, I believe it's time to schedule an intervention, involving five well-endowed Negroes. Now, I understand that you might not want to accept this necessary, life-saving treatment, and I understand that you might feel that this help will be a negative experience and would not want to opt for it. However, with enough enormous black cock pounding your bleeding asshole over and over again, you could be able to understand and even enjoy the necessity of this intervention. It's for your own good, after all."
I'm sorry if that happened to you, P. Was that in jail or in treatment? Sounds painful and it obviously didn't help YOU any...
Oh, and your crudeness has lost its shock value, sorry!
His whole purpose here and why he was hired along with Ursus, is to try and coerce you off this site, please hang in there and just be you.
Thanks for being here Tiger.
:rofl: ...More delusions of grandeur! Classic!
Its a fair assumption. You have to admit that many here feel those you are neutral (those who can see the good and bad side of the industry, like myself) are being paid. So it is reasonable to assume the opposite to be true.
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Yes, all the abused kids saved up to pay Ursus. Sounds plausible lols.
Now you, OTOH, admitted your fiduciary interest in Aspen Education, so it's reasonable to assume you're here trying to protect your income.
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How much has Whooter really donated to ASR?
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Gosh, Danny, you always make me laugh. You try so hard to pretend you have a clue .... and with such authority, no less! LOLLLLL...
Man, it really bothers you that I have your number. You talk about clues, you went to Hyde Prep School. Yes I am a authority on your phony butt.
I see you nattering on and on 'bout one or another of your presumed nemeses, one of which would appear to be me, and I usually can't be bothered to correct your doomed flights of fancy. Anyone who's seen more than a half dozen of your posts knows all too well, or at the very least suspects, that you just sling a whole lot of mud, factual or not, and just pray that enough of it sticks for it to bother someone.
It justs bothers you to know end, that I don't have to have a citation and a link. That my facts come from personal experience, being out there, hands on. I told you months ago and I'll tell you again, I only talk about topics I know about, personally.
Unlike yourself you will speak about anything and everything. You seem to have a opinion about everything. Slowly posters are hanging around long enough to realize your just a copy and post man, who recites what others have said.
YOUR A PHONY....You have offered nothing of yourself yet you take from others here.
Has it ever occurred to you that not everyone "needed treatment" like you, a self-professed junkie by age 13, in fact, a "junkie, wino, criminal, womanizer, gambler, drug dealer ect..... 'till late into your 20s, according to numerous accounts made by you. In fact, you would appear to be one of those "worst case scenarios" that programs try so hard to convince parents of, that their kids are in imminent danger of becoming. I can see what a desirable spokesmodel you might be, for an industry feeling an economic pinch that's lasted longer than expected. (http://http)
Perfect example, I talk about myself. I open up and offer information. So others can see what I have written and possibly relate. They will not feel alone.
As a matter of fact Tiger Eye, related with me the other day and many others through posts and Pm's have also.
What does Ursus do with this information he belittles it and try's to disrespect me. Acts like it is not true. Then he goes one step further and talks about my children, I have so graciously talked about here.
This is what Ursus does on this site, when someone does not agree with him and stands up for themselves, he will bring out the knifes and attack your character and butcher anything sacred you have shared here.
He has done this to Whooter, Tiger Eye, Suck IT, Myself and countless others, just read his posts.
Those two kids you allege to have been a father to, starting whilst you were still at Elan, must have had a real gem of a childhood. Of course, for all we know, they could be another one of your flights of fancy...
I will say one thing Ursus you should be happy you are where you are, speaking about my children like this.
This is all I will say on this topic.
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"Here's an idea. I am convinced that your numerous psychological problems are caused by not getting laid enough. And so, I believe it's time to schedule an intervention, involving five well-endowed Negroes. Now, I understand that you might not want to accept this necessary, life-saving treatment, and I understand that you might feel that this help will be a negative experience and would not want to opt for it. However, with enough enormous black cock pounding your bleeding asshole over and over again, you could be able to understand and even enjoy the necessity of this intervention. It's for your own good, after all."
I'm sorry if that happened to you, P. Was that in jail or in treatment? Sounds painful and it obviously didn't help YOU any...
Oh, and your crudeness has lost its shock value, sorry!
His whole purpose here and why he was hired along with Ursus, is to try and coerce you off this site, please hang in there and just be you.
Thanks for being here Tiger.
:rofl: ...More delusions of grandeur! Classic!
You really think so, you are a paid shill who found fornits to hawk on. You have been here what 3 years and your always here, everyday, all day. Posting and Posting and Posting.....researching and spreading dissent amongst positive active posters.
Your sole purpose is to out people, it is very interesting that you picked Hyde out of all the programs you could pick.
Hyde is not controversial, very little is ever said about Hyde, nobody knows you there or here.
What's up Ursus, what's going on with you. Com'on big boy scared to give up information and have it thrown back in your face. Is this considered one of the badges you folks wear around here, see who can get the most information on the other guys without giving any up. That is the definition of a coward. You sink even lower in our eyes, Ursus.
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You really think so, you are a paid shill who found fornits to hawk on. You have been here what 3 years and your always here, everyday, all day. Posting and Posting and Posting.....researching and spreading dissent amongst positive active posters.
Your sole purpose is to out people, it is very interesting that you picked Hyde out of all the programs you could pick.
Hyde is not controversial, very little is ever said about Hyde, nobody knows you there or here.
What's up Ursus, what's going on with you. Com'on big boy scared to give up information and have it thrown back in your face. Is this considered one of the badges you folks wear around here, see who can get the most information on the other guys without giving any up. That is the definition of a coward. You sink even lower in our eyes, Ursus.
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