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Treatment Abuse, Behavior Modification, Thought Reform => The Troubled Teen Industry => Topic started by: Anonymous on August 31, 2003, 01:59:00 PM
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http://wwaspsrebuttal.com/ (http://wwaspsrebuttal.com/)
Just wanted to bring this to a separate thread. Thank you to whoever put this all together!
I know Mr.Weiner apologized for all the ommissions and distortions, kind of! We'll see if he's really sincere in what he said.
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truth exposed my ass. WWASP is nothing more than a snake oil salesman, selling dreams of "conforming" children to parents. Their "treatment" is effective, yet breaks the spirit of the child. That is abuse, pure and simple and I speak from experience. go away WWASP, we don't need your propaganda anyway.
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http://wwaspsrebuttal.com/wwasps_interview.html (http://wwaspsrebuttal.com/wwasps_interview.html)
Recent Interview between WWASPS Officials and a Newspaper Agency.
(This is not verbatim but representative of the Interview)
Exactly which Newspaper agency interviewed WWASP?
This is not "verbatim" but "representative"?
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Not sure "which" newspaper, is that important?
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On 2003-08-31 12:37:00, Deborah wrote:
"http://wwaspsrebuttal.com/wwasps_interview.html
Recent Interview between WWASPS Officials and a Newspaper Agency.
(This is not verbatim but representative of the Interview)
Exactly which Newspaper agency interviewed WWASP?
This is not "verbatim" but "representative"?
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My guess is the Source.
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Nope, the The Source
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is this a joke? can we say desperate?
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Where's this supposed apology from Weiner? Certainly not in the NY Times, which stands by its story and which is reporting further. Also, they have just appointed an ombudsman to handle reader complaints-- and not a peep on this story, which is substantiated by numerous other accounts anyway.
And I love the idea that WWASP thinks prospective customers would believe a bunch of anonymous people who won't use their last names claiming to have been misquoted by the Times, when the Times cited full names.
Where's the rebuttal to the Observer article, that's what I want to know! They can't rebut that because they let someone witness what went on firsthand and their voodoo didn't work on her.
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Do we really think Tim apologized? He is a great writer and has more to come, this I am sure. This website is another example of a smoke screen, guess the PR firm is working now.
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what is funny is it wwasps really thinks that willmake a differnce.
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I wouldn't assume WWASPS thinks this will make a difference. If all the crap was being said about my business and it was poisioning the minds of my potential clients, I would definitely have something that would tell the real story. Maybe it's fighting back, maybe not, but I appreciated reading what is on the site. :wink:
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On 2003-09-01 15:25:00, Anonymous wrote:
"Do we really think Tim apologized? He is a great writer and has more to come, this I am sure. This website is another example of a smoke screen, guess the PR firm is working now."
Yes, Tim apologized, but not in writing, so it doesn't count.
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Anybody got a PACER account that can share the latest news on how PURE is doing defending herself against the lawsuit brought by WWASPS?
Perhaps Karen, Spots, Lynn, Lee/Nancy Colburn, can enlighten us?
:grin:
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get a life people. guess what, pure is not the problem, but hey, guess you need a scapegoat. they are strong enough to take it.
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On 2003-09-02 18:26:00, Anonymous wrote:
"get a life people. guess what, pure is not the problem, but hey, guess you need a scapegoat. they are strong enough to take it."
::boohoo::
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How are the two owned wwasp websites considered a form of "news"???
I love how the brainwashed parents try to blame Tim (the writer for the NY Times) of being wrong. This is what Tim does for a living. For gods sake, wake up and help your children!
And again... wwasp supporters, dont you have any other defense than to just mention pure. Has pure been involved in the wwasp ordeal? Yes. But there are many other survivors who want to hold wwasp accountable for abuse and fraud.
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This statement comes from the Parent Survey page of wwasprebuttal:
"Our high parent satisfaction rate is further evidenced by the fact that we received 1,344 Letters of Appreciation from parents during 2001 and 1,739 Letters of Appreciation from parents during 2002."
This was a topic of discussion a few weeks ago when I explained that seminar homework requires writing a letter of appreciation to your child's program. While looking at the Accolades section of the wwasprebuttal I couldn't help but notice how many pictures show people wearing seminar nametags. I then started reading the letters and noticed that dozens in just the first 3 pages state that they are being written on day 3 (or the final day) of Focus. But really there is no reason to read beyond the first sentence of this letter on page 2:
Dear Craig & SCL Staff, Susan & I were asked to write this appreciation letter at Focus. It made me think about all the challenges, time, emotion, and love that you expound on our behalf to Matt, and how little parents (ourselves included) acknowledge and appreciate all the very hard, bvut very good work that you do. You are making a difference in Matt?s life. You are also making a difference in our lives. We cannot thank you enough. Love,
Holt
I randomly read or scanned letters on every page and from what I can see the majority of these letters are from parents who have not seen or talked to their children. So wwasp's accolades are coming from people who don't know how their experience will end.
Judy
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Judy - you have made some very odd statements, this one included. Does ANYBODY know how their experience will end?
One thing I KNOW is that I create what I intend, whatever it looks like, it's my own results. I've written "accolades" in the past 4 years or so, and never one at a seminar, but 2 while my son was in, and 1 about a year ago. Not everyone that writes does it in a seminar and not all seminars request those letters. If they did, it would be around 2500 - 3000 or more. So, try again - what's your story anyway. What did you create that you feel like a victim now?
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My statement simply means that they do not know the whole story. They don't know how they will feel about wwasp months from now. They don't know if their child will graduate or not. There is much that they do not yet know, but this is what wwasp is using to verify their "success". Everybody loves their new car when they drive it off the lot. Would you agree that it is more valuable to know the experience of someone who bought the same make/model from the same dealership 10 years ago and has the experience of dealing with sales, service, etc. through the entire 10 years?
Maybe all seminars don't request letters, but the Discovery and Focus that I attended did. Apparently Holt's Focus did. The discovery that I staffed did request letters. The focus I staffed did request letters. At all 4 of the seminars I was involved in the staff gave sheets of stationary to the participants for this purpose. Apparently you and Darlene were in the same seminar that did not request letters.
Judy
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So we are referring to a WWASP owned website??? What kind of content do you think will be on their site?
WWASP buying their way out of trouble as usual:
"WWASP, meanwhile, apparently paid hush money to an unknown number of former Dundee families in exchange for their silence.
The Tico Times this week obtained a copy of a letter from WWASP attorney J. Ralph Atkin to former Dundee mother Shannon McCullough of California, offering her an "indemnification" in exchange for her agreement to not pursue legal actions against Dundee or Carolina Springs. The letter, dated July 30, was enclosed with a check for $16,328 and a note reading: "By cashing the above mentioned check, you are releasing Carolina Springs Academy, Dundee Ranch Academy and all of their owners, operators, managers, agents, employees, contractors, sub-contractors and consultants and hold them harmless from and against any and all legal actions or proceedings that may be instituted as a result of the student's enrollment in the School."
Tico Times
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Q: Why did the WWASP facilitator keep sending the inmate back to Level One?
A: She kept forgetting to wash between her ears.
Q: What does one call a person who knows how to cook WWASPs' goose?
A: A "Sous Chef".
Q: How can one tell when Narvin is lying?
A: I know how, but when I cashed the $16,000 check I got from Narvin's mouthpiece, I agreed to keep it confidential.
Thank you, thank you!! The Fornits audiences are the best audiences in the world! Drive safely this weekend and remember to tip your Web Host!
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Anon,
My seminar experience requested parents write "Thank You Letters" to their child's Facility, Family Rep and Director.
It was required Focus Homework.
I suggest, Judy's results are what WWASP provided.Not what she had INTENDED at all.
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On 2003-09-05 07:19:00, Anonymous wrote:
Q: How can one tell when Narvin is lying?
A: I know how, but when I cashed the $16,000 check I got from Narvin's mouthpiece, I agreed to keep it confidential.
Oh! Oh! I know that one! You can always tell when Narvin's lying if his lips are moving!The only voluntary urine sample they'll get from me is a taste test
--Bumper Sticker
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On 2003-09-04 21:18:00, Anonymous wrote:
"Judy - you have made some very odd statements, this one included. Does ANYBODY know how their experience will end? "
Yes. Last year, I moved my family to another state and bought a house. At the time, I had plenty to say and to ponder about the towns, the realtor, the sellers and the whole experience. But, not knowing how things would turn out, I would only say these things to my husband in an effort to explore the situation and make the right decisions.
Now I know how the experience has come out. It's a good house, not too bad a neighborhood and the realtor turned out to be an OK guy. I'd be happy to write him a letter of endorsement. But it would be almost as foolish to do so before closing as it would be for anyone to put any stock at all in anything I had to say at that time.
"There is a principle which is a bar against all information, which is proof against all arguments and which cannot fail to keep a man in everlasting ignorance- that principle is contempt prior to investigation."
--Herbert Spencer
Worse than that? Contempt after investigation and in blithe disregard to actual known facts!
Let me tell you something. Most of your kids will come out of this more-or-less OK. None will ever be the same. All of them are experiencing intense psychological and emotional abuse and many are getting a good dose of physical abuse as well. The ones who make it out relatively intact are the ones who learn early on that they can't, shouldn't and don't need to trust their parents ever again.
The sooner they get over the betrayal and start building a new life for themselves that doesn't include you the better off most Program vets are.
No synonym for God is so perfect as Beauty. Whether as seen carving the lines of the mountains with glaciers, or gathering matter into stars, or planning the movements of water, or gardening - still all is Beauty!
-- John Muir
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On 2003-09-05 00:33:00, Anonymous wrote:
...letter from WWASP attorney J. Ralph Atkin to former Dundee mother Shannon McCullough of California, offering her an "indemnification" in exchange for her agreement to not pursue legal actions against Dundee or Carolina Springs. The letter, dated July 30, was enclosed with a check for $16,328 and a note reading: "By cashing the above mentioned check, you are releasing Carolina Springs Academy, Dundee Ranch Academy and all of their owners, operators, managers, agents, employees, contractors, sub-contractors and consultants and hold them harmless from and against any and all legal actions or proceedings that may be instituted as a result of the student's enrollment in the School."
Tico Times"
But they neglected to make it binding on the kid!
:rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl:
Too funny!!!!
Until you've lost your reputation,you never realize what a burden it was or what freedom really is.
MARGARET MITCHELL
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(Antigen wrote):
Oh! Oh! I know that one! You can always tell when Narvin's lying if his lips are moving!The only voluntary urine sample they'll get from me is a taste test
--Bumper Sticker
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Whoops! Ginger, you spilled the beans on that one!
Perhaps there IS such a thing as an "Excess of Candor". If people start ignoring WWASPs oath of silence (or "Omerta" as certain organizations refer to it), they might just accept WWASPs' hush money, then go ahead and testify anyway. Let J Ralph Atkin or their other "big guns" go into court and try and enforce a contract to cover up their abusive practices.
Hmmmmm...maybe that's not such a bad idea.
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i'm the one who received the check and i didnt post the jokes anon , even though i thought they were funny!!! shannon
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Was it "hush" money - which would be stupid! or was it the reimbursement on your unused tuition? :wink:
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Hhhmm...."hush" money was paid, as accepting the money carried the deal that the acceptor would "hush". The legal letter from Atkins was an exception to the rule (because he needed it kept quiet?). Ask a lot of these parents on this board who pulled their children if they are still receiving dunning bill notices, months and months after their children were removed from WWASPS, for "services" they did not receive. Many of the bills even have a smiley face stamped on the statement!
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I would think since Dundee closed and many parents had paid for a year in advance, they would be reimbursed the unused portion. I tend to think that's what the check was for, not as a bribe to be quiet.
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On 2003-09-05 19:57:00, Anonymous wrote:
"I would think since Dundee closed and many parents had paid for a year in advance, they would be reimbursed the unused portion. I tend to think that's what the check was for, not as a bribe to be quiet. "
Oh, really... do you think at all?
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That's a good one, does the poster think? Well, look at it this way. Mom admitted her daughter to Dundee. Dundee closed, and she paid tuition for one year. Her daughter was there less than 3 months. She still had a credit of around $16,000. Since she wasn't the one that made the decision to close Dundee, WWASP owed her the tuition. I don't doubt they paid her, however, I don't believe for a second that it was to keep her big mouth shut.
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first off it wasnt hush money cause im still talking, nothing in the papers said i could not speak,it was a promise not to sue check, and no it wasnt unused loan money, i received the unused loan back about a month after my daughter was pulled,
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what was the exact amount of the check?
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HOW MUCH WAS THE CHECK? YOU HAVE TO BE JOKING :lol:
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The U.S. Congress also has taken interest in the Utah-based WorldWide Association of Specialty Programs (WWASP), the behavior-modification umbrella organization to which Dundee belonged.
House Representative George Miller of California, the ranking Democrat on the House Education Committee, last month asked the Internal Revenue Service (IRS) to review WWASP's tax-exempt status and investigate whether the organization has received any special tax treatment in the past.
One of Rep. Miller's congressional aides said this week that the congressman also is preparing to ask U.S. Attorney General John Ashcroft to open a federal criminal investigation into alleged child mistreatment at WWASP programs--
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:wave: :wave: