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Treatment Abuse, Behavior Modification, Thought Reform => The Troubled Teen Industry => Topic started by: Anonymous on September 26, 2009, 09:23:03 PM
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Does anyone think Che Gookin should move on with his life? Che Gookin will say :twofinger: or give a dishonest answer to my question. Che Gookin talked about how he abused children at Three Springs. Does anyone think he has serious issues? He will deny issues he needs to deal with. This website is where he copes with his problems.
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Che Gookin wrote: My Time at Paint Rock Valley Boys
I worked as a counselor at Three Springs of Paint Rock Valley Boys from 2002 to 2004. During that time I participated in abusive acts and witnessed even more. My actions have brought me a great deal of personal pain and remorse. It wasn’t until after I was terminated, for what essentially was the exercising of poor judgment that I came to realize the full extent of what I did and saw. Everything must have a start and my story started with the extremely poor training I received, moved on to the appalling lack of supervision, and is rounded out by the horrible conditions of the facility.
Why were you terminated?
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Che Gookin wrote: My Time at Paint Rock Valley Boys
I worked as a counselor at Three Springs of Paint Rock Valley Boys from 2002 to 2004. During that time I participated in abusive acts and witnessed even more. My actions have brought me a great deal of personal pain and remorse. It wasn’t until after I was terminated, for what essentially was the exercising of poor judgment that I came to realize the full extent of what I did and saw. Everything must have a start and my story started with the extremely poor training I received, moved on to the appalling lack of supervision, and is rounded out by the horrible conditions of the facility.
What abusive acts did you participate in? Che should have been thrown in jail.
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These are all good questions. He was abusive. I wonder how the kids he abused felt?
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Che should have been thrown in jail.
I'm sigging this one as well. Keep them coming people, and to clarify this isn't the first one of these threads and I fully expect it not to be the last. Though the lady over on the Chieftain forums did it better with all her hysterics.
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Che should have been thrown in jail.
I'm sigging this one as well. Keep them coming people, and to clarify this isn't the first one of these threads and I fully expect it not to be the last. Though the lady over on the Chieftain forums did it better with all her hysterics.
How do you think the kids you abused felt? This is an excellent question Che Gookin. You can dodge it all you want but your abuse affected innocent victims.
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That's a good question, and one I don't have a good answer for. I'll ask one of the kids I worked with out at the valley the next time I see them on instant messager.
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That's a good question, and one I don't have a good answer for. I'll ask one of the kids I worked with out at the valley the next time I see them on instant messager.
I think you know how they felt Che Gookin. Do you feel guilty for abusing children at Paint Rock Valley?
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Do you feel guilty for abusing children at Paint Rock Valley?
He won't have an answer for this question.
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That's a good question, and one I don't have a good answer for. I'll ask one of the kids I worked with out at the valley the next time I see them on instant messager.
I think you know how they felt Che Gookin. Do you feel guilty for abusing children at Paint Rock Valley?
I have guilt for alot of things, including that, but without that guilt I would have never been compelled to speak publicly. I no longer speak out of guilt but more so out of outrage at the industry in general.
Question for you, Which is better, to not speak out about programs and their abuses or to quietly pretend it never happened and hope it all goes away?
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viewtopic.php?f=72&t=26256&hilit=Paint+Rock+Valley+Boys (http://www.fornits.com/phpbb/viewtopic.php?f=72&t=26256&hilit=Paint+Rock+Valley+Boys)
This “discussion” you are trying to bait has already happened. You troll are likely aware of that and just being an antagonistic trolly bitch-ass.
atonement-compensation amends, expiation, indemnification, penance, propitiation, recompense, redemption, redress, reparation, restitution, satisfaction
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No doubt dude.. this all started when I pointed out that Brendan, the kid being held against his will in DRA, is probably mingling some seriously disturbed people. They said I was trolling, but when I threw down the Keppler article they got all asshurt and went on the rampage.
It's a cycle with some of th guests, and I'm used to it. Part of the cross I have to bear being one of the few ex-staff members on the forums. No biggie, I don't mind and it has helped other ex-staff when I've pointed out threads like this in the past.
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I have guilt for alot of things, including that
Che is being honest about his abuse. This is definately a step in the right direction. What have you done to deal with the pain you inflicted on your victims?
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get up in the morning, go to bed at night, get up in the morning, go to bed at night. repeat cycle, speaking of which.. time to get up. No more lazing around even if I'm on holiday.
toodles.
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get up in the morning, go to bed at night, get up in the morning, go to bed at night. repeat cycle, speaking of which.. time to get up. No more lazing around even if I'm on holiday.
toodles.
Your sarcasm speaks for you character. You are not showing remorse for pain you inflicted on innocent children under your care.
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http://www.fornits.com/phpbb/viewtopic.php?f=72&t=26256&hilit=Paint+Rock+Valley+Boys
Why did Che Gookin continue to work at a place where he abused innocent children and staff abused other children. Once a child abuser, always a child abuser.
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Recommended reading:
The Lucifer Effect by Phillip Zimbardo (Chapter 16 –conclusion particularly)
I found the hypotheses of a substitute paradigm “For a slow assent to goodness” called to mind the cultivation process that some program staff might have experienced in their training.
Consider the “Altruism effect” that may come into play for those undergoing “training”. Zimbardo speculates transformation via the Virtuous Authority experiment, might cause some to “doing ever more extreme “good” actions. The extremes of virtue push him or her all the way to engaging in actions that at first seemed unimaginable.” (p.449)
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Your sarcasm speaks for you character. You are not showing remorse for pain you inflicted on innocent children under your care.
What, are we in group again?
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LONG-TERM EFFECTS OF ABUSE
Common problems for abused children include:
emotional problems
behavioral problems
poor performance in school
further abuse
While these effects are not always obvious, they are important.
Long-term studies of low achievers, runaways, drug abusers, prostitutes and incarcerated individuals paint a disturbing picture. Abuse is a consistent and pervasive element in their backgrounds. Low self-esteem and poor self-concept are ever-present.
Knowing this, there can be little doubt that children who are abused, as well as adults who were abused as children, need assistance to resolve the questions that the abuse experience has raised, even if that assistance does not come until years after the abuse.
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Effects of Che Gookin's abuse
Long-Term Consequences of Child Abuse and Neglect
Child Abuse Basics
By Vincent Iannelli, M.D., About.com
Updated July 15, 2007
About.com Health's Disease and Condition content is reviewed by the Medical Review Board
Filed In:Child Abuse
The impact of child abuse and neglect is far greater than its immediate, visible effects. These experiences can shape child development and have consequences that last years, even lifetimes. Research now shows that the physical, psychological, and behavioral consequences of child abuse and neglect impact not just the child and family, but the community as a whole.
Physical Consequences
The immediate physical effects of abuse can range from relatively minor, such as a bruise or cut, to severe, such as broken bones, internal bleeding, or even death. Longer-term consequences may include:
•Shaken Baby Syndrome (including blindness, learning disabilities, mental retardation, cerebral palsy, or paralysis)
•Impaired brain development
•Lifelong poor physical health
Psychological Consequences
The immediate psychological effects of abuse and neglect—isolation, fear, and a lack of trust—can spiral into long-term mental health consequences including:
•Depression and anxiety
•Low self-esteem
•Difficulty establishing and maintaining relationships
•Eating disorders
•Suicide attempts
Behavioral Consequences
Studies have found abused or neglected children to be at least 25 percent more likely to experience problems in adolescence, including:
•Delinquency
•Teen pregnancy
•Drug use
•Low academic achievement
As adults, children who experienced abuse or neglect have an increased likelihood of criminal behavior, involvement in violent crime, abuse of alcohol and other drugs, and abusive behavior.
For more information, read Long-Term Consequences of Child Abuse and Neglect, from the National Clearinghouse on Child Abuse and Neglect Information, available at http://www.childwelfare.gov/pubs/factsh ... uences.cfm (http://www.childwelfare.gov/pubs/factsheets/long_term_consequences.cfm).
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See how cultists act when one their own leaves the fold and speaks out? This whole thread is ridiculous. If Che weren't honest, you wouldn't know that he had been a counselor or the details of his program days. Che confessed, has done a hell of a lot of penance and apologized. Che's got guts, which is more than can be said for the spineless programee eunuch who started this thread. Why berate Che for what he did as a counselor when it's obvious he had a cathartic moment and made a decision to speak out against the TTI. The decision to post on Fornits and acknowledge his experience as a counselor was a ballsy move considering how the members of this biker bar feel about staff. He's still here, which says a lot.
That's honest.
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LONG-TERM EFFECTS OF ABUSE
Common problems for abused children include:
emotional problems
behavioral problems
poor performance in school
further abuse
While these effects are not always obvious, they are important.
Long-term studies of low achievers, runaways, drug abusers, prostitutes and incarcerated individuals paint a disturbing picture. Abuse is a consistent and pervasive element in their backgrounds. Low self-esteem and poor self-concept are ever-present.
Knowing this, there can be little doubt that children who are abused, as well as adults who were abused as children, need assistance to resolve the questions that the abuse experience has raised, even if that assistance does not come until years after the abuse.
I couldn't agree more. If you put your kid in a "program" they are likely to be abused and show signs of it like those above. Aspen programs are especially abusive and provide no treatment according to their testimony in a recent lawsuit.
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LONG-TERM EFFECTS OF ABUSE
Common problems for abused children include:
emotional problems
behavioral problems
poor performance in school
further abuse
While these effects are not always obvious, they are important.
Long-term studies of low achievers, runaways, drug abusers, prostitutes and incarcerated individuals paint a disturbing picture. Abuse is a consistent and pervasive element in their backgrounds. Low self-esteem and poor self-concept are ever-present.
Knowing this, there can be little doubt that children who are abused, as well as adults who were abused as children, need assistance to resolve the questions that the abuse experience has raised, even if that assistance does not come until years after the abuse.
I couldn't agree more. If you put your kid in a "program" they are likely to be abused and show signs of it like those above. Aspen programs are especially abusive and provide no treatment according to their testimony in a recent lawsuit.
Effects of child abuse was pointing out the long term problems of innocent victims Che Gookin abused at Pain Rock Valley.
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See how cultists act when one their own leaves the fold and speaks out? This whole thread is ridiculous. If Che weren't honest, you wouldn't know that he had been a counselor or the details of his program days. Che confessed, has done a hell of a lot of penance and apologized. Che's got guts, which is more than can be said for the spineless programee eunuch who started this thread. Why berate Che for what he did as a counselor when it's obvious he had a cathartic moment and made a decision to speak out against the TTI. The decision to post on Fornits and acknowledge his experience as a counselor was a ballsy move considering how the members of this biker bar feel about staff. He's still here, which says a lot.
That's honest.
This is very true.
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Why did Che Gookin abuse kids at Paint Rock Valley?
The first question, "Why do people abuse other people?" has multiple answers. Some abusers learned to abuse from their parents. Their early history consisted of receiving abuse themselves and/or seeing others abused (one parent abusing the other or their sibling, etc.). As a consequence, abuse is the normal condition of life for these people. Such people internalized a particular relationship dynamic, namely the complementary roles of "abuser" and "victim". They are familiar with and fully understand the terror of being the helpless victim from their own childhood experience. The opposite of being a victim is not simply opting out of abuse; it is instead, to be abusive. Given the choice between being the out-of-control victim, or the in-control abuser, some of these people grow up to prefer the role of the abuser. As they become adults, they simply turn this relationship dynamic around and start acting out the "abuser" side of the relationship dynamic they have learned. By choosing to be the aggressor and abuser, they may get their first sense of taking control over their own destiny and not being at the mercy of others. That they hurt others in the process may go unregistered or only occur as a dim part of their awareness.
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See how cultists act when one their own leaves the fold and speaks out? This whole thread is ridiculous. If Che weren't honest, you wouldn't know that he had been a counselor or the details of his program days. Che confessed, has done a hell of a lot of penance and apologized. Che's got guts, which is more than can be said for the spineless programee eunuch who started this thread. Why berate Che for what he did as a counselor when it's obvious he had a cathartic moment and made a decision to speak out against the TTI. The decision to post on Fornits and acknowledge his experience as a counselor was a ballsy move considering how the members of this biker bar feel about staff. He's still here, which says a lot.
That's honest.
Would people on this website forgive the owner of MBA if he confessed to abusing innocent victims? You should not forget victims will remember Che Gookin as an abuser.
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You should not forget victims will remember Che Gookin as an abuser.
This is true.
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Why did Che Gookin abuse kids at Paint Rock Valley?
The first question, "Why do people abuse other people?" has multiple answers. Some abusers learned to abuse from their parents. Their early history consisted of receiving abuse themselves and/or seeing others abused (one parent abusing the other or their sibling, etc.). As a consequence, abuse is the normal condition of life for these people. Such people internalized a particular relationship dynamic, namely the complementary roles of "abuser" and "victim". They are familiar with and fully understand the terror of being the helpless victim from their own childhood experience. The opposite of being a victim is not simply opting out of abuse; it is instead, to be abusive. Given the choice between being the out-of-control victim, or the in-control abuser, some of these people grow up to prefer the role of the abuser. As they become adults, they simply turn this relationship dynamic around and start acting out the "abuser" side of the relationship dynamic they have learned. By choosing to be the aggressor and abuser, they may get their first sense of taking control over their own destiny and not being at the mercy of others. That they hurt others in the process may go unregistered or only occur as a dim part of their awareness.
So his parents are really to blame. Thats an interesting point of view.
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So his parents are really to blame.
No.
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And do you at least have anything interesting for a change? Every-time this goes around its the same old boring crap. Originality please.
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So his parents are really to blame.
No.
Who do you blame?
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You've yet to answer the question I asked a page or so back. Answer it first and then I'll answer yours.
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Question for you, Which is better, to not speak out about programs and their abuses or to quietly pretend it never happened and hope it all goes away?
it is a better idea to deal with why you chose to abuse innocent children. Confessing on this website is a cop-out for you.
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Since you aren't willing to answer mine, I'm unwilling to answer yours.
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Speaking out against abusive programs is a worthy cause. I think that is better. However, dealing with why you abused children is a good thing to do. It will help you in the long run.
You didn't answer my questions from page one.
Why were you terminated?
What abusive acts did you participate in?
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Since you aren't willing to answer mine, I'm unwilling to answer yours.
Che Gookin avoidance tactics.
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However, dealing with why you abused children is a good thing to do. It will help you in the long run.
Thanks, but no thanks. You aren't looking to help anyone but yourself and I've given you enough of my time and energy. Yes when I was working for 3 springs I participated in abusive acts. What were they? Bad restraints, bad consequences, and in general holding a child in a program against their will who wasn't afforded due process. I participated in an evil enterprise that bilked parents out of thousands of dollars in the name of bogus therapy. I empowered parents to be negligent, lazy, and careless of the feelings of their children. I even farted on a kid once. As none of these things didn't happen before I worked in the program, and they haven't happened after, I really don't worry about it happening again. I've been teaching young kids now for several a years and so far I've managed not to slam anyone face first into the ground.
The worst I have to worry about these days is not getting boardmarker ink smeared on me when we have pen-sword fights between classes.
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Why were you terminated?
You didn't answer this question from page one.
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Speaking out against abusive programs is a worthy cause. I think that is better.
One could say that. The problem is abusive programs troll Fornits making ad hominem attacks on posters who are affecting them economically. Case in point: this thread. Gookin is up CALO's ass like a suppository so this is not surprising or without precedent.
Why were you terminated?
What abusive acts did you participate in?
Che wrote a very eloquent account of his experience as a program counselor and how it ended. The events preceding his departure are innocuous compared to the physical incidents that occur everyday in the TTI. You'll be disappointed.
By the way, Che's not your bitch to bark orders at. Che or any other longtime Fornits poster could copy and paste Che's recollections, but I imagine Che feels no obligation to feed your troll. Use a Google search and find your answers yourself. You are lucky Che has a Kevlar hide, but your weak trolling is amusing with all the desperate lashing out and straw grasping. Che doesn't work for the industry but you do, troll. Your anxiety is showing my dear.
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Che would not have much to say if his victims confronted him.
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Che wrote a very eloquent account of his experience as a program counselor and how it ended. The events preceding his departure are innocuous compared to the physical incidents that occur everyday in the TTI. You'll be disappointed.
By the way, Che's not your bitch to bark orders at. Che or any other longtime Fornits poster could copy and paste Che's recollections, but I imagine Che feels no obligation to feed your troll. Use a Google search and find your answers yourself. You are lucky Che has a Kevlar hide, but your weak trolling is amusing with all the desperate lashing out and straw grasping. Che doesn't work for the industry but you do, troll. Your anxiety is showing my dear.
Nice try Che Gookin
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Che wrote a very eloquent account of his experience as a program counselor and how it ended. The events preceding his departure are innocuous compared to the physical incidents that occur everyday in the TTI. You'll be disappointed.
By the way, Che's not your bitch to bark orders at. Che or any other longtime Fornits poster could copy and paste Che's recollections, but I imagine Che feels no obligation to feed your troll. Use a Google search and find your answers yourself. You are lucky Che has a Kevlar hide, but your weak trolling is amusing with all the desperate lashing out and straw grasping. Che doesn't work for the industry but you do, troll. Your anxiety is showing my dear.[/code]
Nice try Che Gookin
U R A CALO troll.
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If I were a father of Che Gookin's victims, I would plant my foot where the sun don't shine.
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Kicking yourself in the ass for putting your kid in a program would be physically challenging for you, as your head is already deeply planted in same said ass.
Remorse for being a program parent or proponant could lead you to some insight, though.
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Remorse for being a program parent or proponant could lead you to some insight, though.
Remorse for abusing children could lead Che Gookin to some insight, though.
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Perseverating program troll,that discussion was had and with very candid disclosure.
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See how cultists act when one their own leaves the fold and speaks out? This whole thread is ridiculous. If Che weren't honest, you wouldn't know that he had been a counselor or the details of his program days. Che confessed, has done a hell of a lot of penance and apologized. Che's got guts, which is more than can be said for the spineless programee eunuch who started this thread. Why berate Che for what he did as a counselor when it's obvious he had a cathartic moment and made a decision to speak out against the TTI. The decision to post on Fornits and acknowledge his experience as a counselor was a ballsy move considering how the members of this biker bar feel about staff. He's still here, which says a lot.
That's honest.
This is very true.
I'm not even sure I'll even finish reading this thread. It really is the same shit over and over again.
I don't even know if the troll is a conscious cult supporter or just another among the walking wounded. I identify strongly with all three types, having played all three roles to varying degrees at different times.
To be perfectly honest, anyone who graduated or nearly graduated or even acted on the hope of graduating played the staff role to some degree. Some more or less than others, but it was absolutely required by the cult (whichever brand, location or time-frame) that we all take part in abusing the others. If we didn't then we didn't get things like a shot at the door, adequate food, rest, hygene... access to the toilet... ya know, the 'privileges' they held out to make us comply.
There are some few among us who never ever bought in at all and were purely victims. Those folks don't seem to carry a grudge nearly so much as the rest of us who did buy in somewhat.
:soapbox:
That's all I got to say. Now, can't we all just get along?
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I don't think people would support a program owner if he/she confessed to abuse towards innocent children like Che Gookin did.
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I don't think people would support a program owner if he/she confessed to abuse towards innocent children like Che Gookin did.
Oh, I think I could hold my nose and pull it off. Think about it. It would be priceless! Imagine if, say, Lichfield or Bucci or Gauld or Sembler (I'd settle for Riddile, which is much more likely in my view) or some other were to quit the biz, get an honest job and then spend years speaking out and acting out against similar programs. I don't mean just one 'mia culpa' PR statement and then fade to black. I mean if any of those guys had the sack to do what Aaron has been doing? I don't see it ever happening. But just imagine the impact. :jawdrop:
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Why was Che Gookin terminated?
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You could apply this to Che Gookin abusing children.
Why Kids Who Get Spanked Have Lower IQs
Time.com
By JOHN CLOUD John Cloud – Sun Sep 27, 10:10 am ET
The debate over spanking goes back many years, but the essential question often evades discussion: does spanking actually work? In the short term, yes. You can correct immediate misbehavior with a slap or two on the rear-end or hand. But what about the long-term impact? Can spanking lead to permanent, hidden scars on children years later?
On Friday, a sociologist from the University of New Hampshire, Murray Straus, presented a paper at the International Conference on Violence, Abuse and Trauma, in San Diego, suggesting that corporal punishment does leave a long-lasting mark - in the form of lower IQ. Straus, who is 83 and has been studying corporal punishment since 1969, found that kids who were physically punished had up to a five-point lower IQ score than kids who weren't - the more children were spanked, the lower their IQ - and that the effect could be seen not only in individual children, but across entire nations. Among 32 countries Straus studied, in those where spanking was accepted, the average IQ of the survey population was lower than in nations where spanking was rare, the researcher says.
In the U.S., Straus and his colleague Mallie Paschall of the Pacific Institute for Research and Evaluation, looked at 1,510 children - 806 kids ages 2 to 4, and 704 ages 5 to 9 - and found that roughly three-quarters had endured some kind of corporal punishment in the previous two weeks, according to interviews with the mothers. Researchers measured the children's IQ initially, then again four years later. Those kids who hadn't been spanked in the initial survey period scored significantly better on intelligence and achievement tests than those who had been hit. Among the 2-to-4-year-olds, the difference in IQ was five points; among the older kids, there was a 2.8-point gap. That association held after taking into account parental education, income and other environmental factors, says Straus.
So how might getting spanked on the butt actually affect the workings of the brain? Straus notes that being spanked or hit is associated with fright and stress; kids who experience that kind of trauma have a harder time focusing and learning. In another recent paper that he coauthored with Paschall, Straus writes that previous research has found that even after you control for parental education and occupation, children of parents who use corporal punishment are less likely than other kids to graduate from college.
Still, it's not clear if spanking causes lower cognitive ability or if lower cognitive ability might somehow lead to more spanking. It's quite possible that kids with poor reasoning skills misbehave more often and therefore elicit harsher punishment. "It could be that lower IQ causes parents to get exasperated and hit more," Straus says, although he notes that a recent Duke University study of low-income families found that toddlers' low mental ability did not predict an increase in spanking. (The study did find, however, that kids who were spanked at age 1 displayed more aggressive behavior by age 2, and scored lower on cognitive development tests by age 3.) "I believe the relationship [between corporal punishment and IQ] is probably bidirectional," says Straus. "There has to be something the kid is doing that's wrong that leads to corporal punishment. The problem is, when the parent does that, it seems to have counterproductive results to cognitive ability in the long term."
One problem with Straus' data is that some of the parents who tended to spank may also have been engaging in actual physical abuse of their children. Researchers define corporal punishment as physical force intended to cause pain - but not injury - for the purpose of correcting a child's behavior, not simply hurting him. Studies have shown that very few parents who use corporal punishment also beat their kids, but Straus can't rule out the possibility that his data is confounded by the presence of child abuse, which past research has shown to affect victims' development.
The preponderance of evidence points away from corporal punishment, which the European Union and the United Nations have recommended against, but the data suggest that most parents, especially those in the U.S., still spank their kids. Based on his international data, collected by surveying more than 17,000 college students in various countries, Straus found that countries with higher GDP tended to be those where corporal punishment was used less often. In the U.S., the tendency to hit also varies with income, along with geography and culture; it's most common among African-American families, Southern families, parents who were spanked as children themselves and those who identify themselves as conservative Christians.
But overall the percentage of parents who spank has been steadily declining. Straus says that in 1968, 94% of Americans told surveyors they agreed with spanking. By 2005, the proportion who said it is "sometimes O.K. to spank a child" had fallen to 72%, although most researchers believe the actual incidence of corporal punishment is higher.
The practice has its defenders, and Straus himself admits, with chagrin in his voice, that he spanked his own son. In the 1990s, the American Academy of Pediatrics underwent a bitter fight before finally declaring in 1998 that "corporal punishment is of limited effectiveness and has potentially deleterious side effects."
Sometimes spanking seems like the only way to get through to an unruly toddler. But the price for fixing his poor short-term conduct might be an even more troublesome outcome in the future.
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^^ Is there a link? or did your parents spank you?
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Antigen wrote:
Che can be a bit intemperate at times....
Guest wrote:
Che should have been thrown in jail.
The list will get bigger over time.
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I wonder if Che will disclose why he was terminated from Paint Rock Valley. He has not told you guys the whole truth.
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What is the whole truth?
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Let's play the CASE.net Game!
Postby Che Gookin » Today, 14:13
Somewhere here on fornits well proxied posted a list of CALO employees. Wouldn't it be fun if we used Missouri's free case.net website to do background checks on them all?
Who wants to go first?
i wonder if "well proxied" is Che Gookin other user name?
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^ So does Ken Huey. That to has been covered in past conversations.
Of course, you're not really interested in that. You just want to try to
insinuate with these questions without actually letting anything like
the answers interrupt your agenda...
Here's one of my own...I wonder if this guy trolling Che Gookin can see
how obvious his motives are and does he notice that undermines this whole
stupid little angle, he's trying to work?
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i wonder if "well proxied" is Che Gookin other user name?
Che Gookin will not admit that "well proxied" is his other screen name. It would be good to hear a response from him.
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^ So does Ken Huey. That to has been covered in past conversations.
Of course, you're not really interested in that. You just want to try to
insinuate with these questions without actually letting anything like
the answers interrupt your agenda...
Here's one of my own...I wonder if this guy trolling Che Gookin can see
how obvious his motives are and does he notice that undermines this whole
stupid little angle, he's trying to work?
This sort of shit happens whenever a fornits fan steps on the toes of some programmie. The funny part though that the programmies forget, repeatedly, is that in their quest to smear shit all over everything they are putting their little pet torturefarm on the front burner again and again.
So yeah, if they wanna troll, let them. It only helps us in the long run.
Is well proxied my sock? I already answered that question on another thread. Nice try KKKen.
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Bok choy is good for you, so is sex, just like the extermination of programs. I will have myself a very healthy programorgasm the day i hear some lunatic fringe group decided to simultaneously attack and kill every program staff and free all the students.
just kidding.
But still, broke, dead, insane, or in jail programmies = orgasm.
wow. i think i just had one just thinking about it. :D sweet :D
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i wonder if "well proxied" is Che Gookin other user name?
Che Gookin will not admit that "well proxied" is his other screen name. It would be good to hear a response from him.
So what do you suggest? A little light torture? Maybe some isolation, sleep deprivation, constant harassment, stress positions and painful restraints, pointless hard labor?
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So what do you suggest? A little light torture? Maybe some isolation, sleep deprivation, constant harassment, stress positions and painful restraints, pointless hard labor?
Che Gookin tortured innocent children, isolated innocent children, harassed innocent children, restrained innocent children violating company policy and punished innocent children with hard labor. Che Gookin has verbally abused people on this website. Once an abuser, always an abuser. Remember, you gave moderating powers to an abuser. I suggest you think about who you give moderating powers to. You don't send a good message to people when you allow an abuser to moderate his own thread.
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:cheers:
And good luck convincing Ginger to change her mind.
Bwahahahahahahahahaah...
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Che Gookin tortured innocent children, isolated innocent children.......
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Yes, that's the program. That was my point. The difference between you and Che is that you're still in the program whereas he's figured it out and works to expose it. And there is no power to moderation except in the particular forum someone moderates.
BTW, is this BD?
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Let's play the CASE.net Game!
Postby Che Gookin » Yesterday, 14:13
Somewhere here on fornits well proxied posted a list of CALO employees. Wouldn't it be fun if we used Missouri's free case.net website to do background checks on them all?
Who wants to go first?
All the employees names are not listed on CALO'S website. How do you think Che Gookin (Well Proxied) got these names?
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Che's been hinting at having an insider at CALO for sometime. I think it's pretty obvious that the insider has been leaking information to Che for awhile. If Che is Well Proxied, good for him. Do it again soon you sly dog you.
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The difference between you and Che is that you're still in the program whereas he's figured it out
this.
Given a choice between che and the repetitive, avoidant troll guest, as to who truly cares for kids, the decision is obvious. (Che, for you mongoloids who don't get it.)
All this talk from programmies about how the fornits folks have dishonest agendas, well, to use their own term.. "projecting" much?
Think of all of the innocent children! Right, like the troll ever does, unless they mean thinking about fucking one up the ass (again).
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If Che Gookin discloses why he was terminated from Paint Rock Valley, I will no longer post in this thread.
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Was Che Gookin sent to a TBS? I think he was by the behaviors he exhibits on this website.
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If Che Gookin discloses why he was terminated from Paint Rock Valley, I will no longer post in this thread.
Try and find a cached copy of "The Making of a Monster" by Three Springs Waygookin. Read dat then ask questions. Or get to know the dude, then ask questions.
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viewtopic.php?f=72&t=26256&hilit=Paint+Rock+Valley+Boys#p319981 (http://www.fornits.com/phpbb/viewtopic.php?f=72&t=26256&hilit=Paint+Rock+Valley+Boys#p319981)
There is no mention of why he was terminated. Che Gookin said he was terminated for exercising poor judgement. What did he do that was considered poor judgement? These are fair questions, yes?
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http://www.nunya.com/index.cfm/2008/12/ ... alley-Boys (http://www.nunya.com/index.cfm/2008/12/1/My-Time-at-Three-Springs-Paint-Rock-Valley-Boys)
My Time at Three Springs Paint Rock Valley Boys
Posted At : December 1, 2008 8:50 PM | Posted By : B
Related Categories: Fucked,Programs
My Time at Paint Rock Valley Boys
I worked as a counselor at Three Springs of Paint Rock Valley Boys from 2002 to 2004. During that time I participated in abusive acts and witnessed even more. My actions have brought me a great deal of personal pain and remorse. It wasn't until after I was terminated, for what essentially was the exercising of poor judgment that I came to realize the full extent of what I did and saw. Everything must have a start and my story started with the extremely poor training I received, moved on to the appalling lack of supervision, and is rounded out by the horrible conditions of the facility.
He posted the same story on Fornits. In his above post, he isn't clear why he was terminated. Che Gookin shows a pattern of not being 100% clear why he was terminated. What is he hiding? I don't think he'll answer that question.
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It is clear. Poor judgement.
Q. "Why was Che Gookin terminated from three spings ?
A. Poor judgment.
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It is clear. Poor judgement.
Q. "Why was Che Gookin terminated from three spings ?
A. Poor judgment.
Nice try Che Gookin. Try again. What did you do that constitutes poor judgment?
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You are aware you can still be prosecuted for child abuse?
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It wasn’t until I was terminated for handing out a consequence that resulted in a young man sustaining a minor abrasion to his nose that I was forced to see the bigger picture.
He's a bit more candid in his latest posting, its there if you care to read it.
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What consequence did Che Gookin give the kid that resulted in the injury to the child's nose?
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Eh?
I threw a rock the size of my hand into the middle of a field. I then told the kid to move it back to the pile it came from without using his hands or feet. He said, "How do I do that?"
I said, "I dunno, use your nose, YOU figure it out."
He then used his nose and got a scrape on his snozz. Next day I got canned, and thank god it was sweet sweet freedom. And so you know the kid that got his nose scraped and I regularly chat via instant messenger. He's doing well in college and has a hot looking girlfriend.
Do you have a hot looking woman?
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Eh?
I threw a rock the size of my hand into the middle of a field. I then told the kid to move it back to the pile it came from without using his hands or feet. He said, "How do I do that?"
I said, "I dunno, use your nose, YOU figure it out."
He then used his nose and got a scrape on his snozz. Next day I got canned, and thank god it was sweet sweet freedom. And so you know the kid that got his nose scraped and I regularly chat via instant messenger. He's doing well in college and has a hot looking girlfriend.
Do you have a hot looking woman?
You chat with a kid you abused? You have serious issues.
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Do you have a hot looking woman? Post pics to prove it.
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Why do you communicate with an innocent victim you abused?
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Do you have a hot looking girlfriend? Post pics to prove it.
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Do you have a hot looking girlfriend? Post pics to prove it.
No. Please answer why do you communicate with an innocent victim you abused?
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Why did your girlfriend break up with you? Are you ugly, fat, greasy, and smelly or are you suffering from some sort of mental issue?
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I threw a rock the size of my hand into the middle of a field. I then told the kid to move it back to the pile it came from without using his hands or feet.
This speaks VOLUMES about your character. I rest my case.
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No you don't rest your case, you'll be back in a bit with more questions. I'm your therapy for whatever ails you at this point in time. Mind you, I haven't had this much fun since Ken Huey cried, "RAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAEEEEP" all over the place.
This will end when I say it ends, and not a moment before.
So you will answer this question..
Why did your girlfriend break up with you?
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If he doesn't answer, can the rest of us guess? Maybe take a poll?
After all, why should the troll be the only one speculating?
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By all means go right ahead.
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okay...
objectivist's girlfriend broke up with him because...
Her parents took her home. It was past her bedtime. (school night)
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Just give it a bit, this moron will be back with more questions and slurs. He most definitely has not rested his case and he'll keep it up till he finds himself another girlfriend.
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Just give it a bit, this moron will be back with more questions and slurs. He most definitely has not rested his case and he'll keep it up till he finds himself another girlfriend.
Who is this guy? It sounds like the Who.
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Just give it a bit, this moron will be back with more questions and slurs. He most definitely has not rested his case and he'll keep it up till he finds himself another girlfriend.
Who is this guy? It sounds like the Who.
I disagree. First of all, the who's back under a new username, and second, he's too busy trolling one of the aspen threads and stroking that nigel guy as a guest.