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Treatment Abuse, Behavior Modification, Thought Reform => The Troubled Teen Industry => Topic started by: Anya on September 18, 2009, 09:58:42 PM
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i'm refusing to go back to residential treatment this sunday. wish me luck.
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good luck. you'll need it.
they will probably try to force you, so you should run away for a few days and hide out. then slowly, through secure means, attempt to re-establish contact with your parents and negotiate a deal. know that it is likely that your parents will hire escorts and report you missing, meaning you need to stay inside and avoid being spotted. if you have a cell phone, turn it off and take out the battery, and dont use it. parents have been known to sapoena cell companies and get their missing kid's gps location.
it really all depends on rich and intelligent your parents are. if you're middle-class and your parents are fairly dimwitted, you should be fine running away. if your parents are rich and smart...you'll never get away.
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Post your parents' full names, addresses, and other dox here.
If we don't hear from you Monday, we'll use life-ruin tactics.
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Anya, bare minimum consider emailing me your school, name, and parent's particulars. If you don't show back up for a few days and you are ok with me making this public I'll happily release it here on fornits.
If you don't go.. I'll delete the information and hopefully life goes on for you.
If you do send me your information be as specific as possible about the school, the staff, the problems with the school, and as some names of sympathetic relatives.
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I wouldn't suggest releasing your information to random people over the internet. You'll be fine, being sent to a program is not the end of the world.
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Anya,
I know you. I've met you. I recognize the name you are using. I'm wishing you luck and I hope you stay safe, but you need to know this is going to land you in more trouble, possibly even jail. You remember what it was like when you were locked up don't you. You came out of your skin. Parents can't protect you from this, if this is your choice. So choose well and you will have to live with your decisions.
Don't forget that your parents still love you. You may think they are shits or don't know shit but they have been there for you and were kids once too, and we still remember what it's like to be a kid, that's why we do the things we do.
Remember that little story in the bible when God creates man and woman? What's the first thing God told them......DON'T!!!!! (it doesn't matter if you believe in God or not)
Why did He tell them DON't? Because he loved them with all His heart and didn't want them to feel pain and suffering that HE knew existed and couldn't bear to see them hurt. You are to young to truly be abused. Your parents weren't the abusers here, but the people you will hook up with will abuse you in ways you may never recover from.
Please try to stay away from the people that will use you and don't do the drugs. They will kill you. If you choose to stay away, remember, you'll be running for the rest of your life, you can't escape the things you did forever, they will eventually catch up to you. The more you run, the more wrong things you do, the bigger the price you will pay. That isn't a threat, that is what they will take from you. Any you do KNOW who they are, don't you.
Do you remember...."the only way to live your life is to manipulate....and then you will get what you want". Sometimes it's better not to get what you want and have things just handed to you. I'd rather see you earn it.
CG
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Anya,
I know you. I've met you. I recognize the name you are using. I'm wishing you luck and I hope you stay safe, but you need to know this is going to land you in more trouble, possibly even jail. You remember what it was like when you were locked up don't you. You came out of your skin. Parents can't protect you from this, if this is your choice. So choose well and you will have to live with your decisions.
Don't forget that your parents still love you. You may think they are shits or don't know shit but they have been there for you and were kids once too, and we still remember what it's like to be a kid, that's why we do the things we do.
Remember that little story in the bible when God creates man and woman? What's the first thing God told them......DON'T!!!!! (it doesn't matter if you believe in God or not)
Why did He tell them DON't? Because he loved them with all His heart and didn't want them to feel pain and suffering that HE knew existed and couldn't bear to see them hurt. You are to young to truly be abused. Your parents weren't the abusers here, but the people you will hook up with will abuse you in ways you may never recover from.
Please try to stay away from the people that will use you and don't do the drugs. They will kill you. If you choose to stay away, remember, you'll be running for the rest of your life, you can't escape the things you did forever, they will eventually catch up to you. The more you run, the more wrong things you do, the bigger the price you will pay. That isn't a threat, that is what they will take from you. Any you do KNOW who they are, don't you.
Do you remember...."the only way to live your life is to manipulate....and then you will get what you want". Sometimes it's better not to get what you want and have things just handed to you. I'd rather see you earn it.
CG
ugh what a nutjob. No, you dont know me, and i dont know you. I think you have the wrong person.
now that i've come to think of it, it seems to me that you think everyone here is the same person. lol.
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Anya,
I know you. I've met you. I recognize the name you are using. I'm wishing you luck and I hope you stay safe, but you need to know this is going to land you in more trouble, possibly even jail. You remember what it was like when you were locked up don't you. You came out of your skin. Parents can't protect you from this, if this is your choice. So choose well and you will have to live with your decisions.
Don't forget that your parents still love you. You may think they are shits or don't know shit but they have been there for you and were kids once too, and we still remember what it's like to be a kid, that's why we do the things we do.
Remember that little story in the bible when God creates man and woman? What's the first thing God told them......DON'T!!!!! (it doesn't matter if you believe in God or not)
Why did He tell them DON't? Because he loved them with all His heart and didn't want them to feel pain and suffering that HE knew existed and couldn't bear to see them hurt. You are to young to truly be abused. Your parents weren't the abusers here, but the people you will hook up with will abuse you in ways you may never recover from.
Please try to stay away from the people that will use you and don't do the drugs. They will kill you. If you choose to stay away, remember, you'll be running for the rest of your life, you can't escape the things you did forever, they will eventually catch up to you. The more you run, the more wrong things you do, the bigger the price you will pay. That isn't a threat, that is what they will take from you. Any you do KNOW who they are, don't you.
Do you remember...."the only way to live your life is to manipulate....and then you will get what you want". Sometimes it's better not to get what you want and have things just handed to you. I'd rather see you earn it.
CG
ugh what a nutjob. No, you dont know me, and i dont know you. I think you have the wrong person.
now that i've come to think of it, it seems to me that you think everyone here is the same person. lol.
Tehee, anya. I hope things are going well for you.
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Anya,
Yea, that's exactly what I expected you'd say, exactly. If I've got the wrong person, so be it. If not, stay safe anyway.
Advice still applies though.
CG
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I know you. I've met you. I recognize the name you are using. I'm wishing you luck and I hope you stay safe, but you need to know this is going to land you in more trouble, possibly even jail.
The only time Im going to give any credence to this continuing ridiculous argument about program vs. jail is from someone who has been to both, and can prove it.
Otherwise, it's not an official pepsi challenge.
In addition, no fucker here has nearly enough insight to know WHERE she is going to end up if she doesn't go back, so stop with the jail threat. It's very program.
Man, I got so fucking sick of all of the California kids being threatened with CYA when I was in Idaho... for doing things like having sex.
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I'm pretty sure more than one has been on this board, and the general consensus is that jail is a much better place.
The guards have restrictions on their behavior in jail.
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I'm pretty sure more than one has been on this board, and the general consensus is that jail is a much better place.
The guards have restrictions on their behavior in jail.
depends on the size of the jail. in a small rural country, yeah, jail is better. In a big city, or crime-infested suburb, it's a different story as is prison. I would choose the worst TBS for a year over going into the "tombs" (nyc central booking) or riker's island for a month.
-They are allowed to beat you if they feel threatened. For example: you're in a holding pen with ten other people. two of them decide to fight. Guards will storm in and kick everyone's ass.
-If you try to escape, they can use deadly force
-You will be locked up with people who are serious criminals, not misbehaved teenagers.
-the food is even worse than any TBS. It's always reject food that isnt fit to be sold in supermarkets.
-if there is a violent event, you may be tased, pepper-sprayed, shot with bean bags and rubber bullets, and possibly shot with real bullets.
-The strip searches for jail are much more in-depth.
-there are no toilet stalls in jail
all of these things can happen in a TBS, but they are rare. In a jail, it's a fact of life.
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The only time Im going to give any credence to this continuing ridiculous argument about program vs. jail is from someone who has been to both, and can prove it.
Otherwise, it's not an official pepsi challenge.
In addition, no fucker here has nearly enough insight to know WHERE she is going to end up if she doesn't go back, so stop with the jail threat. It's very program.
Man, I got so fucking sick of all of the California kids being threatened with CYA when I was in Idaho... for doing things like having sex.
I remember that in Daytop’s hypocrisy. The “you can leave anytime don’t let the door hit you in the…blah blah” blather was voiced by staff rather selectively. All of the kids in from TYC were on the receiving end of this more harshly than other kids. Even exchanges that weren’t centered on someone wanting to leave the program would be escalated to the “our way or hit the streets” speech, if a TYC kid happened to be objecting to something. The staff knew that the unspoken consequence of having their P.O. s called was usually enough to shut them down.
Interestingly, N.H. made a decision that incarceration in Texas style JJ was the better choice for him than the program.
Lots of villains ca$h in on running program’ in prisons. Aint that a kick in the head?
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I'm pretty sure more than one has been on this board, and the general consensus is that jail is a much better place.
The guards have restrictions on their behavior in jail.
depends on the size of the jail. in a small rural country, yeah, jail is better. In a big city, or crime-infested suburb, it's a different story as is prison. I would choose the worst TBS for a year over going into the "tombs" (nyc central booking) or riker's island for a month.
-They are allowed to beat you if they feel threatened. For example: you're in a holding pen with ten other people. two of them decide to fight. Guards will storm in and kick everyone's ass.
-If you try to escape, they can use deadly force
-You will be locked up with people who are serious criminals, not misbehaved teenagers.
-the food is even worse than any TBS. It's always reject food that isnt fit to be sold in supermarkets.
-if there is a violent event, you may be tased, pepper-sprayed, shot with bean bags and rubber bullets, and possibly shot with real bullets.
-The strip searches for jail are much more in-depth.
-there are no toilet stalls in jail
all of these things can happen in a TBS, but they are rare. In a jail, it's a fact of life.
There aren't too many juveniles that are sent to Riker's Island. That's a bit over the top.
As far as your standard detention centers or juvies go, the mind fuckery is a LOT less than in even the cushiest soft-pedaling program.
Bad things can happen anywhere, for sure, but I've been in both and worse things happened to me in program than happened in juvie. The people running programs don't see themselves accountable to anyone and they know they can get away with it.
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As a New Yorker, everything that's been said about Riker's is true. Teenagers have died at Rikers. The conditions are brutal. Sure there's a lot less mindfuckery, but as for which is worse, it's a bit of an apples and oranges comparison.
For some kids a program is worse and for some kids Rikers would be worse. Depends on the state, and depends on what a person can tolerate physically and emotionally. I can see where being 17 and in prison would actually be better than a program in New York State, but in reality our jails and juvenile detention facilities are worse that even our correctional system. The DOJ report is evidence of that.
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I'm pretty sure more than one has been on this board, and the general consensus is that jail is a much better place.
The guards have restrictions on their behavior in jail.
depends on the size of the jail. in a small rural country, yeah, jail is better. In a big city, or crime-infested suburb, it's a different story as is prison. I would choose the worst TBS for a year over going into the "tombs" (nyc central booking) or riker's island for a month.
-They are allowed to beat you if they feel threatened. For example: you're in a holding pen with ten other people. two of them decide to fight. Guards will storm in and kick everyone's ass.
-If you try to escape, they can use deadly force
-You will be locked up with people who are serious criminals, not misbehaved teenagers.
-the food is even worse than any TBS. It's always reject food that isnt fit to be sold in supermarkets.
-if there is a violent event, you may be tased, pepper-sprayed, shot with bean bags and rubber bullets, and possibly shot with real bullets.
-The strip searches for jail are much more in-depth.
-there are no toilet stalls in jail
all of these things can happen in a TBS, but they are rare. In a jail, it's a fact of life.
What the fuck did you do to get into Rikers? And if you weren't there, what is the fucking point of this post? Hell, even if you were, what's the point anyway?
Rikers is a full-on, hard-core, federal penitentiary. Do you really, honestly think that someone (possibly underage) who is in anya's position would be incarcerated at Rikers? For a minor status offense such as running away? Don't you think that's a little harsh? I don't even think juvvie hall can keep you around long for that. Something like six hours..
So when I read some faggot monkey saying she's going to end up in jail, it's obvious he's just trying to scare her. Nice. What empathy. It's a good thing she's smart and knows it's all a bunch of bullshit.
If I were to weigh in on this situation, I'd vote for emancipation. I knew one guy who became an emancipated minor. He was living in a place with a bunch of roommates, had a job, the finances weren't great, but he was happy. At least his parents were no longer trying to send him away somewhere for being queer.
The last thing this girl needs to hear right now are empty threats and tales of woe from people who don't know shit. Sounds to me like she knows where it's at, anyway.
As a New Yorker, everything that's been said about Riker's is true. Teenagers have died at Rikers. The conditions are brutal. Sure there's a lot less mindfuckery, but as for which is worse, it's a bit of an apples and oranges comparison.
I would say more like an apples and oldsmobiles comparison. But I grok your point completely.
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There aren't too many juveniles that are sent to Riker's Island. That's a bit over the top.
As far as your standard detention centers or juvies go, the mind fuckery is a LOT less than in even the cushiest soft-pedaling program.
Bad things can happen anywhere, for sure, but I've been in both and worse things happened to me in program than happened in juvie. The people running programs don't see themselves accountable to anyone and they know they can get away with it.
HAHAHAHAHA!!!! you obviously have no clue.
half of rikers is populated by juveniles and people under 25. It's run by the bloods, they are an unspeakably powerful force both on the streets, in jails and in prisons in NY. There's also Netas and latin kings, which are alot more mellow, but still extremely dangerous. There's jamaican posses, trinitarios, asian gangs, and representatives of every ethnic crime group on the planet. If you dont belong to a gang going in, the only way you're walking out of there alive and with your dignity intact is by joining one. And Riker's makes prisons in the rest of the country look tame. The aryan brotherhood doesnt stand a chance in rikers.
Mindfuckkery is equal in jails/prisons as it is in programs, it's just different. In a program, if you dont follow the rules and submit to the brainwashing of the program, you get to dig ditches or do PT or something along those lines. In jail, the guards dont tell you what to do (regarding what to think and say), the gangs do. If you dont follow the gang's rules, the rules of prison politics, you will end up having much worse things done to you than being forced to do hard labor. How about the fact that you are property of the state, no longer identified by name but by number? How about being forced to share a 10'x4' cell with two other people? it's dehumanizing, and dehumanization fucks with people's minds more than being forced to think anything a program could whip up.
hows this for mindfuckeery: You're in jail on drug charges, no gang affiliations, 17 in an overcrowded system therefore serving with gen pop (standard procedure in NYC). Your trial is in three months and you cannot make bail, so you are transfered to rikers. There, you have a choice. You can show your hardcoreness by kicking someone's ass - but in all likelyhood unless you're a 300lb marine, you're getting your ass kicked by your victim's backup - half the cellblock. Then you spend the rest of your time in isolation. You can get under someone's wing, which will probably result in that person transferring you to their cell and raping you on a nightly basis. or, you can join a gang. To join, you're probably going to have to do some dirty work. This means either carrying out a violent act against a member of another gang (which will leave you marked for death anyway by the other gang, leave in in isolation for a few months, and result in more charges) or make a pledge to do work for them when you get out (if you dont follow through, they kill you or do something similarly unpleasant). either way, if you're joining a gang, you're going to have to get used to seeing the inside or riker's on a regular basis the rest of your life.
Just imagine what being forced to make such a decision can do to someone.....especially a teen.
If you dont call that mindfuckerry, i dont know what you would consider mindfuckerry.
and to the most recent above post: rikers is not a federal penitentiary, nor is it even technically a prison. Riker's is NYC jail, where the majority of people go when awaiting trial or serving less than six months. if you're already convicted and serving more, you get sent elsewhere. If you're facing federal charges or are convicted of federal charges, you dont go to rikers. What did i do to go to rikers? got caught with six pounds of weed in my car. I couldnt make bail for two weeks, i spent the first week in the tombs and the second week in rikers. case was dismissed, the evidence was not handled properly.
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your point?
this will help anya how?
or are you just talking shit about how much you know about prison?
or are you just trying to convince her to go back to the program?
Either way, I don't care. Stop wasting page space. Big fucking deal, I got it wrong whether it was federal or city. That's not the goddamn point.
fuck me for mentioning that to begin with. I was just sick of people hanging jail over a kid's head to keep them in program. Every time I see some bullshit in this thread about how fucked up jail is (with the exception of blombrowski who was talking more about the pointlessness of the comparison.) it sounds to me like its either by a program shill or just some smelly twat who wants to brag about the joint.
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btw i was seventeen two months shy of eighteen when i was at rikers.
and the point of the post is that i'm trying to point out that jail IS worse than programs.
but anya does not have to worry about getting sent to rikers, unless she likes to hang around with low-lifes and lives in NYC. Runaways dont get sent to jail (for just running away) for any longer than it takes their parents to pick them up. also, cops in big cities with overcrowded, violent gang-infested jail systems are usually mindful of that when taking people in. If you're small and white, have glasses, are a college student, or are a bussiness-type, they either just write you a summons or put you in with other likely victims. I'm a big guy that looks like he could be a biker or bouncer (although i'm about as violent as a teddy bear) so i did not have that luxury.
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Runaways dont get sent to jail (for just running away) for any longer than it takes their parents to pick them up.
Thank you. That helps.
Unfortunately, Im sure the fucking program is going to tell her otherwise. (related to whichever is the closest jail for her.)
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of course. deadinsaneorinjail.
but it all really depends on why she's in the program. If she's there because she likes to smoke crack, and if she runs away that's what she's going to do, then the program is the best choice for her because she WILL be deadinsaneorinjail.....because that's what crack does. I have yet to find an example that proves otherwise.
but, if anya is in the program because she smokes weed, wears all black, is a lesbian, and listens to heavy metal while her parents are crazy bob jones university grads, then she will probably not end up deadinsaneorinjail, and she definitely should run away from the program.
Since I dont have the proper information regarding why she was sent away, i cant pass judgement on weather she should run away or not, and you cannot definitively say weather or not she will actually end up in jail, and weather or not the programie was actually telling the truth about her ending up in jail or not.....although the program is probably full of shit and anya probably got sent away for someonething along the lines of the latter example.
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Yes, jail can be far worst than a program, and a program can be far worst than jail. I'd guess it all comes down to a matter of perspective. What the hell did you do to get sent to Riker's Island anyway? (ps.. Is Riker's Island the city of New York Lock that used to be run by Bernie Kerik under the Guilanni administration?)
Back on point, is Anya at risk of being sent to jail for refusing to go to a program?
Ummm.. no.
Anya, if you are around the age of 16 to 17 you really ought to consider moving away from your parents. The law ain't going to give a damn once you turn 18. You'll need a good fake id and a fake social security card to get a job. I'm not in the loop as to where to get these items but I remember buying my own in college and it cost me around 20 bucks. It was a flimsy piece of shit that got me thrown out of about half the bars I went into.
Your parent's might well love you, but you'll love yourself more when you aren't doing time in a program. Stay out of the megacities due to the expense of living there. NYC, Washington DC, LA, San fran are are retardly expensive. Though maybe someone here has information about places for cheap rent and so forth that isn't above an opium den ran by the Chinese Triads. (If you do send me an email as I'm considering moving back to the USA in a couple years after the statute of limitations expires in Missouri for various shennanigans)
My top choices are cities like Portland oregon, Olympia washington, and other large college towns that have cheap housing and plentiful crappy jobs.
Here are some tips for job hunting and looking for rooms:
1) Craigslist.. my god.. last year I found an apartment and a job in the space of 48 hours when I lived in the states for 9 months between living in Korea and moving to China.
2) Community bulletin boards at the library and colleges always have room for rent signs and job ads.
Using monster dot com for something like this is a bit silly as you'll be looking for a steady paying job that you can ditch when you turn 18.
Once you turn 18 reclaim your life. Bring along your birth certificate if possible and your photo id. Get a legal state ID and a legal social security card. Go forth and be free.. You can even contact your parents and try to put things together if you feel like it, but be wary. I wouldn't give them your location until you have your legal id in your pocket to prove your age of majority (is that the right word to use?).
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Che Gookin wrote: Yes, jail can be far worst than a program, and a program can be far worst than jail.
Jail is far worse than a program. There is no comparison. Prisoners get stabbed, violently beaten, raped, executed, live in jail cells that smell, join gangs for protection and there are some that give kill orders. Your delusions stem from your anti-program mentality.
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http://www.nytimes.com/2009/01/29/opinion/29thu2.html (http://www.nytimes.com/2009/01/29/opinion/29thu2.html)
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Che Gookin wrote: Yes, jail can be far worst than a program, and a program can be far worst than jail.
Jail is far worse than a program. There is no comparison. Prisoners get stabbed, violently beaten, raped, executed, live in jail cells that smell, join gangs for protection and there are some that give kill orders. Your delusions stem from your anti-program mentality.
yes because we all know that this will definitely happen to anyone who steps foot in a jail.
To Anya,
Consider what I said about fleeing and ignore the rest of this topic. You might also consider seeing if you can get early emancipation, but I wouldn't hold my breath for that one as I suspect your parents my have you thrown back into the program to prevent such a thing.
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You might also consider seeing if you can get early emancipation
More poor advice. I am positive Che Gookin thought about about Anya's ability to support herself on her own. Does Anya have a credible work history? She does not. If I were an apartment manager, I would deny her rental application due to a non-existent work history.
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You might also consider seeing if you can get early emancipation
More poor advice. I am positive Che Gookin thought about about Anya's ability to support herself on her own. Does Anya have a credible work history? She does not. If I were an apartment manager, I would deny her rental application due to a non-existent work history.
who says she will get an apartment on her own? i'd say it's 10x likely she'll find somewhere else to live, like a freind's house, or a youth organization like the YMCA (to my knowledge, the YMCA in NYC provides small dorm-room apartments available to ANYONE, starting at just 2-300 a month (super cheap, considering similar sized studios but with private kitchen and bathroom in buildings next door start at two grand). bathrooms and kitchens are shared, all you get is a bed, desk, window, and free phone/cable/internet. it's like a long-term occupancy hotel for (mostly) young people. if you cant pass a credit check or have no work history, they move you in on a pay-by-week basis. the one disadvantage to these places is the "renters" dont have the same rights. if you've been behind on your rent, they can kick you right out if they feel like it. the thing is the YMCA is known for being compassionate, and unless theres a line of people waiting to take your spot, you wont get kicked out. they also help people get jobs, sometimes giving people jobs within the organization. I'm sure there are similar youth centers all across the country.
and anyway, i would not deny her if i was apartment manager (also depends on the type and location of apartment). i'd give her the shittiest apt i got...but i would not deny her a place to live. Alot of municipalities around the country have differing laws regarding emancipated minors. in some places, like maine, an emancipated minor cannot be denied work or housing on the basis of age or experience, depending on the job or housing. Then again, in some places, they cant get enough people to fill their houses so they practically give them away for free....like flynt MI or buffalo NY. there are tons and tons of places to squat....and although you find a real job in those cities you'll do just fine selling drugs or sex.
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There is the YMCA.. or hitting up craigslist and getting a room to rent in someone's house. I personally haven't rented an apartment in many a years by doing this. There are loads of cracks in the system if you are willing to look. A gal like Anya is going to have to rely on them rather than traditional rental agreements and such.
Hit up rooms for rent on craigslist. Loads of choices. And most of the time they don't ask for references either. Just flash some green and you are good.
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If she runs away she'll end up on the streets like all the other homeless teens that thought it was a better idea to run than deal. If she can hook up with some good friends she might be ok, but restarting a normal life might be tough. Some runaway girls end up living with older men who supply them with money and drugs in exchange for, well, use your imagination. In my opinion you are better off in the program, pretend to do well and get as much out of your parents as you can before they figure out you are bullshitting them. If you can get a car, you're pretty much set.
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I'd agree with that if I knew the program. Some programs you just can't say yes to ever going back. Others are a bit of a pain in the ass, but doable.
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one thing anya has to consider when running away or getting emancipated is this:
a high school diploma is very important, as is college. A GED, unless one has some other special qualifications, is virtually worthless. Someone without a high school diploma, or with a GED, shouldnt expect to make for than 25 thousand a year cleaning hotel rooms or houses or doing people's nail; unless of course they have a special skill or talent, or look amazingly good. Basically, without a high school diploma you better be cut out for definite success as a rockstar, stripper, pornstar, artist, or specialist of some sort that requires pure brawn and experience with zero traditional education (e.g alaska hunting guide, fisherman, oil rig worker). Otherwise, the only way you're making more than 25 grand a year is through criminal means. A high school diploma is now the equivalent of what a middle school diploma was until the 80's. a college diploma is now the equivalent of what a high-school diploma was until the 90's, and a masters is the equivalent to what a college diploma was untill the 2000's. Without a high school diploma, she's never getting into college. with a GED all she'll be able to go to is Devry or community college. If she gets her high school diploma, she could move to california and get almost unlimited education for free after living there a little while, or move to NY and get an excellent education at the CUNY or SUNY schools for under three grand a semester.
If she runs away, she cant go to school. getting into a school with a fake identity is pointless and nearly impossible.
If she gets emancipated, it will be very difficult for her to both go to school and work. It's one or the other. If it's school, she either needs to take out a loan (will be nearly impossible in the current market, would be difficult for her anyway even five years ago, and would probably leave her in debt the rest of her life regardless), or needs to find someone to support her in the meantime (eliminating the point of getting emancipated in the first place - just request a change of guardian if you know someone who would support you). If she doesnt go to school and decides to work, unless she has some very special talent or skill or looks like she could be on the cover of playboy one day, she's committing herself to a life of poverty and dead-end jobs. she'll either have to sell sex or drugs (end up in jail), or be on her knees the rest of her life. probably both.
so my recommendation to anya is to find another relative who can take her in and support her. otherwise, just get the treatment over with and wait till you graduate high school and turn 18 to move away from your parents. or she better start either building tons of muscle, loosing tons of weight stretching out her anus and getting a tit job, or getting really really good at either acting or a musical instrument.
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Or find a geeky, desperate male with a good paying job and no social skills where the age of consent is low enough.
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Are you sure Anya is a girl?
Maybe Anya is a guy who forgot to change the name of his doggie at CALO.
If I'm wrong, I apologize, and you can move on with your life and completely ignore me. If I'm right, people are worried about you and aren't going to send you back to a program. That's a fact, I've spoken to them.
By the way, Che is correct, running away isn't a crime, but thats not the end of it is it? Right? Individuals have 10 years AFTER you turn 18 to charge you. It's called statute of limitations and WILL result in jail, Maybe your smart enough to know I'm not bullshitting you. Remember, I've been there. Did the rest of you forget about statues? And it's not a threat to all you jag-bags out there, it's a warning to someone you might actually care about. Get your head screwed on straight. The only way to fix this is to repair it, not ignore it or run. It's going to catch up with you and you will look back and wonder why I left that resort I was in. Yea, it may have been horseshit, but it wasn't hell. You probably won't understand that though since you never really experienced hell yet.
The previous posters are correct, jail is infinately worse than any of your programs could possibly be. It's really more like hockey camp isn't it? You can't imagine how worse jail is.
I just love it when people think they have it so bad because they were told "NO". If you really think this was abuse, or a paddle on your little heinie was abuse, wait till bubba rapist gets ahold of you.
BTW I listened to Judas Priest, grew up in a major gang infested city, had many of my friends killed by Latin Kings, Simon City Royals, Disciples, Spanish Cobra's, OA's, Jousters.......the point is only the weak minded sissy assholes (outside of jail - jail is survival mode, I get this) get caught up in this shit. I love it more when they turn on each other too, makes for great headlines, and one less piece of shit in the world.
I grew up right in the middle of it and I never joined a gang, sold drugs or committed crimes. In my neighborhood, if you did this crap, you didn't last long. Some old school guy just beat you senseless. And if you didn't learn to shut your mouth and act respectfully or responsibly, then they just suicided you. Yea, it a fact, there are people out there Anya that will kill you for a quarter or less. If you think it's bad where your at, come live in my town.
Don't be a jerk, get your life back on track. Death is permanent "Anya", it's a real risk, this isn't the movies or a fairy tail here, you have no guarantees on the street and no support. You need to work hard, noone is just going to drop happiness in your lap and you don't have it as bad as it could be.
I hope you get smart, running isn't the answer.
CG
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The likelyhood of them going after you for running away after you turn 18 is miniscule, unless you go on a six state crime spree and then they'll be coming after you for something else entirely. Statute of limitations for most crimes are much shorter than than ten years anyway. That is unless Anya was sent to the program by the order of the state. That's another deal and if that is the case I hope this Anya takes the time to contact one of us with their particulars. It's possible leverage can be exerted by a caring relative, unlike her/his parents who are content to trust their own child that cunt Ken Huey.
If it is CALo we are talking about I can certainly understand why ANYA is thinking of refusing to go back. Nothing I've heard about the place makes me believe he/she will be any safer there than anywhere else. You have staff throwing kids on their face for a snowball, kids being made to vomit in accountibility huddles, kids being terrorized and victimized by their therapists, and apparently a revolving door of students who are getting pulled due to a slew of reasons.
Nah, if it is CALO you are wise to refuse, but you better be damn good and sure you know what you are getting into if you do pull a runner. They'll hunt you like an animal and more than likely have you sent to a shittier program. If you were remanded by the state, and depending upon what state you are in, I'd ask what sort of time I'd be looking at and where.
ps. With a GED you can get into a Community college and then transfer to a 4 year college after you get your AA. A GED isn't much but it can open that specific door for you. It isn't by far the best option, not by a long shot as you'll probably have to take numerous hours of remedial courses to catch up, but it's not the end of the world either.
Though.. If I was faced with the choice of choosing between a GED and a Diploma I'd take the Diploma. However, I wouldn't do time in a program to get it.
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By the way, Che is correct, running away isn't a crime, but thats not the end of it is it? Right? Individuals have 10 years AFTER you turn 18 to charge you. It's called statute of limitations and WILL result in jail, Maybe your smart enough to know I'm not bullshitting you./quote]
Uh, no, that's pretty much entirely bullshit and retarded fearmongering. After you're 18 nobody is going to care, unless you committed, well, actual crimes. And CG has no fucking clue who you are (or anything else really)
This is just flat fearmongering.
CG, if by some horror you actually are a parent I hope you never see your kid again except perhaps from the wrong end of a .357. You are simply not fit.
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What are the reasons Anya's parents want to send her to a program (Gulag to be correct on this website)? There are always two sides to a story.
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There are always two sides to a story.
And one of those sides is lying.
Fuck off, Whooter. It's meaningless. You can waste the rest of your life here and accomplish exactly the same as you always have: nothing.
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BTW I listened to Judas Priest, grew up in a major gang infested city, had many of my friends killed by Latin Kings, Simon City Royals, Disciples, Spanish Cobra's, OA's, Jousters.......the point is only the weak minded sissy assholes (outside of jail - jail is survival mode, I get this) get caught up in this shit. I love it more when they turn on each other too, makes for great headlines, and one less piece of shit in the world.
I grew up right in the middle of it and I never joined a gang, sold drugs or committed crimes. In my neighborhood, if you did this crap, you didn't last long. Some old school guy just beat you senseless. And if you didn't learn to shut your mouth and act respectfully or responsibly, then they just suicided you. Yea, it a fact, there are people out there Anya that will kill you for a quarter or less. If you think it's bad where your at, come live in my town.
CG
LOL...."yo! i listened to judas priest! i got mad street cred, yo! i'm hard, cuz i listen to gay biker metal!" i havnt laughed so hard in months. By the fact that you associate Judas priest with street gangs, shows you dont know jack shit and hold some very unusual stereotypes. Let me guess, Slayer fans are necrophiliac satanists, if you listen to marylin manson you will shoot up your school, and anyone who likes 50-cent is a crack dealer?! I and i forgot....ozzy it's satan's right-hand man, John lennon was a selfish brat when he wrote "imagine", and god made the dinosaurs - who lived side-by-side with people during biblical times....right?
btw, the northwest of chicago is disneyland compared to half of the NY area...south bronx, east new york, jamaica queens, bed-stuy, queensbridge, mt vernon, camden NJ, newark NJ, jersey city NJ......even danbury CT is more hardcore than northwest chicago....the midwest is timid as hell, they got nothing on either coasts.
and people dont get killed for under a quarter anymore. it's not the crack era anymore, buddy. people are alot of tactful now. but, telling someone that since you listened to judas priest you are a hardcore OG, will get you killed.....via being forced to choke on feces.
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lol you listened to Judas priest.....the ultimate gay band, with songs like turbo lover and painkiller that defined homosexual fashion trends for years to come.
we now have bands like cephalic carnage, cattle decapitation, behemoth, electric wizard, high on fire....etc.....that would scare the living bejeezzus out of rob halford himself.
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Guest,
Yea and they are still ALL fags. What part of entertainment don't you understand?
If you live your life according to your music maybe you'll end up just like Tupac. Oh yea..I forgot..you think life is just like the movies and I'll bet money you are an american idol fan. No substance, all form and packaging. A human zero.
BTW .357 is for homos who dunno shit about lead delivery systems, just a longer .38. Been to NYC too...not impressed and not much different than Chicago. Try Bangkok if you got the nards. By the way Ken, you are STILL a useless piece of shit and I just can't wait to see you again.
CG
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Guest,
Yea and they are still ALL fags. What part of entertainment don't you understand?
If you live your life according to your music maybe you'll end up just like Tupac. Oh yea..I forgot..you think life is just like the movies and I'll bet money you are an american idol fan. No substance, all form and packaging. A human zero.
BTW .357 is for homos who dunno shit about lead delivery systems, just a longer .38. Been to NYC too...not impressed and not much different than Chicago. Try Bangkok if you got the nards. By the way Ken, you are STILL a useless piece of shit and I just can't wait to see you again.
CG
delusional are we? who's ken and what do gun calibers have to do with this thread? btw i can go all day out-hardcoring and out-OGing your examples. fact remains that chicago is a small, safe, pussy city in comparison most of the rest of the world, that's still stuck in 1930's segregation mode. It's all either wonderbread or dark chocolate with an occasional burrito, no diversity to speak of, and therefore not as dynamic and unpredictable. therefore pussy. always has been always will be. period.
I would think you....the one who used judas priest as an example of hardcoreness would be the one who is living your life according to your music.
Since you cant read between the lines, i'll do it for you:
Let me guess, Slayer fans are necrophiliac satanists, if you listen to marylin manson you will shoot up your school, and anyone who likes 50-cent is a crack dealer?! I and i forgot....ozzy it's satan's right-hand man, John lennon was a selfish brat when he wrote "imagine", and god made the dinosaurs - who lived side-by-side with people during biblical times....right
This is accusing you of being someone who takes music and other superficial things with more than a grain of salt.
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Anya,
I know you. I've met you. I recognize the name you are using. I'm wishing you luck and I hope you stay safe, but you need to know this is going to land you in more trouble, possibly even jail. You remember what it was like when you were locked up don't you. You came out of your skin. Parents can't protect you from this, if this is your choice. So choose well and you will have to live with your decisions.
Don't forget that your parents still love you. You may think they are shits or don't know shit but they have been there for you and were kids once too, and we still remember what it's like to be a kid, that's why we do the things we do.
Remember that little story in the bible when God creates man and woman? What's the first thing God told them......DON'T!!!!! (it doesn't matter if you believe in God or not)
Why did He tell them DON't? Because he loved them with all His heart and didn't want them to feel pain and suffering that HE knew existed and couldn't bear to see them hurt. You are to young to truly be abused. Your parents weren't the abusers here, but the people you will hook up with will abuse you in ways you may never recover from.
Please try to stay away from the people that will use you and don't do the drugs. They will kill you. If you choose to stay away, remember, you'll be running for the rest of your life, you can't escape the things you did forever, they will eventually catch up to you. The more you run, the more wrong things you do, the bigger the price you will pay. That isn't a threat, that is what they will take from you. Any you do KNOW who they are, don't you.
Do you remember...."the only way to live your life is to manipulate....and then you will get what you want". Sometimes it's better not to get what you want and have things just handed to you. I'd rather see you earn it.
"Whenever we read the obscene stories, the voluptuous debaucheries, the cruel and torturous executions, the unrelenting vindictiveness, with which more than half the Bible is filled, it would be more consistent that we called it the word of a demon, than the word of God. It is s history of wickedness, that has served to corrupt and brutalize mankind; and for my own part, I sincerely detest it, as I detest everything that is cruel"..Thomas Paine
"The Bible. That is what fools have written, what imbeciles command, what rogues teach and young children are made to learn by heart"...Voltaire
"You believe in a book which has talking animals, wizards, witches, demons, sticks turning into snakes, food falling from the sky, people walking on water, and all sorts of magical, absurd and primitive storeis; and you say that I am the one who is mentally ill?" - Dan Barker
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Guest,
If you are going to quote someone in your post, please use the quote feature properly.
Curious George does say a lot of stupid and contradictory things, but you can’t get whatever point you were trying to make across if one cannot differentiate between your words and CG’s
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Guest,
Superficial was exactly my point. Substance over form genius.
All the new shit is the same old shit in a new wrapper. You'd buy a pet rock if it was labeled the "new" pet rock. You listened to this you listen to that...so what, you are oh so cool for listening to your brand of music, how infantile!!!!!
As far as locale, East coast West Coast, Midwest, same same blah blah blah. Been there, nothing new here, you are comparing apples to apples. You've obviously never been to a 3rd world country. Ask Che is this place compares to getting run over with a tank.
Gun calibers has to do with the jag-bag that said I needed one in my face. Last time that happened, it didn't turn out so well for the other party. You are welcome to try though, again, won't be the first time.
You sure can tell ignorance and inexperience...young and dumb. Age and experience will always overcome youth and exhuberance. I learned THAT when I was a teen. I've met some pretty intelligent motivated and honorable young people...guess what, you aint it, but that doesn't mean you can't be someday. When that happens you will have the respect you think now you're entitled to.
For the other simple minded assholes, breaking your spirit was never a factor. I admire spirit, especially ones that can't be broken. But use it for the good not to hurt the innocent. Someone with a concealed carry permit will make sure you have a very bad day. Over 40 states now have it, so keep rolling the dice.
Hell, many you can even get a great job with the spirit and drive some of you are demonstrating....become military....you get to blow shit up and kill bad guys for a living. Trying using all that spirit for some good instead of whining like spoon fed little sissies.
I'll leave you with a quote "We think our fathers fools, so wise we grow, our wiser sons, no doubt, will think us so"
Guest, what do you stand for? against? Do you even know?
CG
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Guest, what do you stand for? against? Do you even know?
CG
Why don't you keep your focus and answer that. Whatever happened to your interest in CALO? Are you so busy with coming off like an internet badass that you've abandoned that?
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Focus people,
This was Anya's original post on Fornits...
i'm going to end up at one of the following residential treatment centers. is there any known problems with any of them that i can bring to my mom with solid evidence? i don't wanna end up somewhere unsafe...
1.Lake Grove
2. St. Anne's
3. The Charlton School
4. Vanderhayden Hall
5. West Park
6. Greenburgh North Castle
7. Greenburgh Graham
8. Harmony Heights
9. Hawthorne Cedar Knolls
10. Summit School
Two things typically happen to a minor who AWOL's from one of these programs. They either end up in a secure facility such as a psychiatric hospital, until they're "stabilized" and sent back to the program, or the school district re-evaluates and can do one of two things, either send them to a day program or send them to a more restrictive residential program. Realistically, jail isn't in the cards for Anya, unless she turns to illegal street survival activities, which is unlikely. She said she wasn't returning to the residential program, she didn't say she was running away from home. This deadorinjail conversation is moot. With a list of programs like that, my guess is that the reason why Anya is in a program is simply truancy.
If the parents try to get her back to the program and she refuses, child welfare can be called in for educational neglect.
Seriously, Anya, if you're reading this get the hold of a good advocate. If you think you can make it on your own, file for emancipation. If there's abuse going on at your program, tell someone. Clearly something happened between when you were content with your placement, and not wanting to go back.
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-They are allowed to beat you if they feel threatened. For example: you're in a holding pen with ten other people. two of them decide to fight. Guards will storm in and kick everyone's ass.
-If you try to escape, they can use deadly force
-You will be locked up with people who are serious criminals, not misbehaved teenagers.
-the food is even worse than any TBS. It's always reject food that isnt fit to be sold in supermarkets.
-if there is a violent event, you may be tased, pepper-sprayed, shot with bean bags and rubber bullets, and possibly shot with real bullets.
-The strip searches for jail are much more in-depth.
-there are no toilet stalls in jail
all of these things can happen in a TBS, but they are rare.
What makes you think they're rare in TBS?
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What makes you think they're rare in TBS?
common sense.
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Anya, contact lawyers until you find one who will help. Get in touch with Phil Elberg; he can point you in the right direction. Your lawyer will guide you through finding a shelter, emancipation, and everything you need to do to avoid imprisonment without due process and organized abuse.
Simply running away blindly is a bad idea
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no jesus=heavy metal
heavy metal=drugs
drugs=sex
sex=money
money=evil
evil=deadinsaneorinjail
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I noticed thewho (john reuben?) exclaiming it's great "good" kids are imprisoned without due process alongside their "bad" ones. It's no wonder your kid killed himself, John. A kid parented by such a merciless, soul is likely to reach a sad end
Abusive parents (like John Reuben) do abduct and imprison their kids in for-rent gulag with the understanding that because their kid wasn't attending school, such evil is an appropriate response. All the while, the 'real' reason they do it is their personal psychological and moral deficiency. Abusive people rationalize evil with the notion their victim "deserves" it, or it "helps" their victim in some way.
When they do admit, they will usually attempt to minimize their abuse by making excuses, blaming others, blaming the victim, or by rationalizing their behavior in other ways.
"Normal," non-abusive parent respond to the issue with their kids in a tolerant, respectful, non-abusive fashion. (famously, one DJ from "the misshapes" simply escaped to an uncle's empty apartment and bummed around a long while when he was 14. The parents tolerated their dissatisfied successful attempt to find a more fulfilling environment http://nymag.com/nightlife/features/37244/ (http://nymag.com/nightlife/features/37244/) ). Abusively, dominating, controlling and cruel parents pay to have them abducted and imprisoned.
In fact, most times, by their very actions “program parents” create the issue of “school avoidance.”
Symptoms of child abuse
Some of the possible symptoms include loss of self-esteem, school avoidance, and running away from home.
Furthermore, abusive program parents misunderstand truancy, avoidance, or suspension as "not going to school"--- a permanent condition.
Meanwhile, ‘normal" parents dealing with truant teens properly recognize it as a temporary situation, not an everlasting fate.
Here is a partial list of people from normal parents who "worked with" and tolerated their kids after they dropped out, instead of torturing them. When you don't torture your kids when they displease you, you tend to end up with child who has a better long term quality of life.
Unfortunately, I don’t think program parents are genuinely motivated with the intention of creating a tolerable quality of life for their kid
http://www.education-reform.net/dropouts2.htm (http://www.education-reform.net/dropouts2.htm)
Part Two
Shaun Kerry, M.D.
Diplomate, American Board of Psychiatry and Neurology
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Guest,
If you are going to quote someone in your post, please use the quote feature properly.
Curious George does say a lot of stupid and contradictory things, but you can’t get whatever point you were trying to make across if one cannot differentiate between your words and CG’s
"Whenever we read the obscene stories, the voluptuous debaucheries, the cruel and torturous executions, the unrelenting vindictiveness, with which more than half the Bible is filled, it would be more consistent that we called it the word of a demon, than the word of God. It is s history of wickedness, that has served to corrupt and brutalize mankind; and for my own part, I sincerely detest it, as I detest everything that is cruel"..Thomas Paine
"The Bible. That is what fools have written, what imbeciles command, what rogues teach and young children are made to learn by heart"...Voltaire
"You believe in a book which has talking animals, wizards, witches, demons, sticks turning into snakes, food falling from the sky, people walking on water, and all sorts of magical, absurd and primitive storeis; and you say that I am the one who is mentally ill?" - Dan Barker
Is that better. I mean you do have to be seriously hallucinating to even read the code so this represents quite and effort
"Guest
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So it's not CALO.. Thank fucking god.. though some of those names on that list aren't anymore reassuring.
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So it's not CALO.. Thank fucking god.. though some of those names on that list aren't anymore reassuring.
Thank god it's not Pain Rock Valley where you abused children.
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qg
Guest, what do you stand for? against? Do you even know?
CG
Why don't you keep your focus and answer that. Whatever happened to your interest in CALO? Are you so busy with coming off like an internet badass that you've abandoned that?
Because he, she or it is a troll. :nods: He may really intend to "shut" CALO down (apparantly for not punishing its kid enough and it wants its money back) but it is doing troley things, so its a troll. It is a homophobic, misogynistic, religion- intoxicated, foul-mouth, hair-trigger bully who tries to be down-with-the-hood cool in his threats but all it reall wants to do is ::poke:: He was even given his own forum but it has more fun annoying you guys.
And his :blabla: :blabla: is sounding more and familiar, more stylistically like another troll who likes to annoy.
Perhaps it has a monetary interest to protect. It could put its energies into what it said it wanted to do but noooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo he finally found people who actually pay attention to hi :blabla:
Oh well, at least the responses are interesting.
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So it's not CALO.. Thank fucking god.. though some of those names on that list aren't anymore reassuring.
Thank god it's not Pain Rock Valley where they are still abusing children to this very day and at this very second.
fixed it for you.
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Thank god it's not Pain Rock Valley where they are still abusing children to this very day and at this very second.
I fixed it for you. Thank god it's not Paint Rock Valley where you abused innocent children like they are this very second.
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qg
Well actually I'm a conservative libertarian, so your psycho-babble is way off. You also are very predictable, you can't handle your own B.S. You even believe it.
My goal IS to shut down CALO. Also have other goals which many of you are helping. So thank you, all of you, even the idiots, you are doing your job, that's why I still post here.
Legal processes churn slowly, you should know this. There are things like demands, discovery, motions etc etc. But rest assured they will happen. I'll announce it when the time is right. When it does, all this crap will make sense to you and you can even meet me in person if you wish to discuss. It will make a great Lifetime story.
I really do like picking on CALO because they deserve it so very badly and it's SO easy to push their buttons. For all the educated professionals they claim to be, they sure act like spoiled 13 year olds brats when they get bitch slapped. So easy in fact, they (meaning you Ken) have made a very big mistake, and don't even know it yet.
I think if anything, when I grow up I'm graduating to bullying CEO's on a full time basis. I think I can make a good living doing it. Hell maybe I'll become a federal proscecuter and do it legit.
CG
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My goal IS to shut down CALO.
Good luck with that. Ken Huey has deeper pockets than you.
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qg
Well actually I'm a conservative libertarian, so your psycho-babble is way off. You also are very predictable, you can't handle your own B.S. You even believe it.
My goal IS to shut down CALO. Also have other goals which many of you are helping. So thank you, all of you, even the idiots, you are doing your job, that's why I still post here.
Legal processes churn slowly, you should know this. There are things like demands, discovery, motions etc etc. But rest assured they will happen. I'll announce it when the time is right. When it does, all this crap will make sense to you and you can even meet me in person if you wish to discuss. It will make a great Lifetime story.
I really do like picking on CALO because they deserve it so very badly and it's SO easy to push their buttons. For all the educated professionals they claim to be, they sure act like spoiled 13 year olds brats when they get bitch slapped. So easy in fact, they (meaning you Ken) have made a very big mistake, and don't even know it yet.
I think if anything, when I grow up I'm graduating to bullying CEO's on a full time basis. I think I can make a good living doing it. Hell maybe I'll become a federal proscecuter and do it legit.
CG
:blabla: :blabla: :blabla: :blabla: :blabla: :bs: :bs: :bs: ::puke::
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qg
Well actually I'm a conservative libertarian, so your psycho-babble is way off. You also are very predictable, you can't handle your own B.S. You even believe it.
My goal IS to shut down CALO. Also have other goals which many of you are helping. So thank you, all of you, even the idiots, you are doing your job, that's why I still post here.
Legal processes churn slowly, you should know this. There are things like demands, discovery, motions etc etc. But rest assured they will happen. I'll announce it when the time is right. When it does, all this crap will make sense to you and you can even meet me in person if you wish to discuss. It will make a great Lifetime story.
I really do like picking on CALO because they deserve it so very badly and it's SO easy to push their buttons. For all the educated professionals they claim to be, they sure act like spoiled 13 year olds brats when they get bitch slapped. So easy in fact, they (meaning you Ken) have made a very big mistake, and don't even know it yet.
I think if anything, when I grow up I'm graduating to bullying CEO's on a full time basis. I think I can make a good living doing it. Hell maybe I'll become a federal proscecuter and do it legit.
CG
::fullofshit::
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My goal IS to shut down CALO.
Good luck with that. Ken Huey has deeper pockets than you.
deep pockets didnt seem to help Len Buccelatto....
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deep pockets didnt seem to help Len Buccelatto...
He was guilty of crimes. Ken Huey has not been proven guilty in a court of law. He runs a legitimate program.
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Buccellato was also never found guilty of crimes. The lawsuit fell through and they settled for a meager amount. Nothing was ever proven in the court of law. What killed HLA and bucci was the bad publicity and word of mouth that the lawsuit and fornits churned up, which cut enrollments to under 10% of their capacity, which in turn forced Len into debt and bankruptcy, which then caused the demise of the school. dont underestimate the power of word of mouth, and what parents (even selfish and negligent ones who send their kids away) are willing to do to protect their kids.
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deep pockets didnt seem to help Len Buccelatto....
The thing with Len isn't what but WHO is in his pocket (ORS, a couple of judges, a good chunk of the state of Georgia...)
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What makes you think they're rare in TBS?
common sense.
Appeal to Belief (http://http://www.nizkor.org/features/fallacies/appeal-to-belief.html)
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Ken doesn't have deeper pockets. You still want to believe your own bullshit don't you.
His lawywers are morons and have already been castrated. Mr. Harms may be an attorney but an in-effectual one at best, who is shit scared of Mr. Hawk.
Ken is running scared. We will own his house, his business and his personal assets and maybe even more if I have my way with him.
Deep pockets means nothing, especially against a pissed off parent with legal means, dedication, deep pockets and a general distain for the the ones that prey on the weak and unsuspecting. We bully the bullies.
Ken, you are mine.
CG