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Treatment Abuse, Behavior Modification, Thought Reform => The Troubled Teen Industry => Topic started by: spots on August 21, 2003, 06:52:00 PM
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If anybody, parent or child, has had direct contact, or seen a State Department visitor while at Casa by the Sea or Tranquility Bay, I would like to talk to you about it. What I need is factual information about who is visited, do they have a list they are working off of, how they approach kids, who is part of the touring group (how many administrative folks, and who they are). If you did not talk with such a visitor, but simply saw the group walking around, your input would also be valuable.
I have been told that "surprise" visits happen every 2-3 weeks, but I know for a fact that there is no suprise there. My Congressman would like further information. Please email me privately at rivergait@snowcrest.net.
Sue
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How do you know that for a fact? Are you there monitoring everyone who goes in and everyone who comes out?
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Spots - Ensenada has hotels. Go park your nose outside Casa by the Sea and see how many parents are in and out of there on a daily basis. Then go grab them and tell them how abused their children are and they better get them out while they can! Now you're on a new mission to see if the State Department REALLY inspects on a regular basis. Do you honestly think wwasp would let them "skip" their inspections? NOT! You're a bit on the obsessed side. Did PURE brainwash you too??
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It has occured to me often that a lot of wwasp parents really only care about themselves and actually deep down want their kid to be abused for all the pain they feel they were put through.
Of course when their kid self-destructs after a few months or years because of the abuse in that place they will deny it has anything to do with the abuse except to say they are relapsing. Then about 30 years down the road the parent will wonder why they don't see their grandkids and why their own grown child does not visit or even call. The poor poor parents. I weep for you...really.
they need more cyanide in the coolaid just like they need more cancer in the cigarrettes.
But don't worry I am just venting, what people do when they are angry, I don't really mean all of it, just the part where the world would be a better place if parents who tried to send their kids to these hellholes were shot along with the ones who run them. I think Republicans call that a detterant effect.
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FaceKhan
Your suggestion could be applicable IF parents knew their kids were being abused in the facilities WWASP tortures them in.
My experience,I was not aware what was transpiring within teh facilities until after he came home.
THAT'S the point!
The purpose to share with the world the truth.
WWASP,Task facilitators,staff,Wwasp PARENTS WITH A FINACIAL AGENDA,Teen Help,THEY lie .
It isnt such a simple picture to paint.
Koolaid drinking definately is a fact to be considered.
Dont be angry with the parents.Help with the solution. Contact your congressman and demand legislation governing these type of programs.
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Thank you to the folks who have already emailed me privately about State visits, as well as FaceKhan and an Anonymous intelligent perspective. Yes!!!! Write your elected representatives.
It appears most people reading this request understand what I want and why. Disregarding Carey and the other person posting really clueless sound bites about State visits...
State from Tijuana DOES visit regularly. I positively know this. Could be from the 3 weeks continual phone calls between me and Tijuana Consulate, or maybe my 1+ hour conversation when the main consular officer phoned me at home. From these conversations, I know they do visit according to law, but their "random, surprise" visits are arranged well in advance, and usually involve lunch with Dace before the "inspection".
If you are a former inmate or a parent of one, please ask if anyone ever personally saw visitors (an entourage of "suits") walking around. Tijuana State told me he often brings Mexican officials with him on these inspections, thereby presumably also blunting the impact of the visit for the concerned Mexican authorities as well. From his very candid and detailed call, I *know* what he does (because I believe what he said).
If a shred of what kids say on this and other Internet sites is correct, the consular officer is only being shown Upper Level areas (he is told other areas are off limits, because "it disturbs the students" to have visitors roaming around). He told me what food was being served, little anecdotes about student activities, the silence of nearly 600 teens which he equated to his Catholic school experience as normal. Ask any of your Casa friends if 5 kids sunning themselves in beach chairs overlooking the Pacific Ocean is a normal Casa afternoon. Mr. Anceldua thought so!
This gentleman has his own agenda, which I interpret as maintaining the quiet status quo in his own little kingdom. Since he has become the Front Man for the American Government, it is imperative to use the power of the US government to gain access to "questionable" areas of Casa by the Sea. The US Department of State has become the de facto arbitrator of whether there is abuse or not, not something his job description emphasized. Pressure needs to be put upon the State Department in D.C. to broaden the witnessing and recognition of abuse...to not accept a cursory look-see and declare this facility A-OK.
Bruce Grant is the State Department official responsible for inspecting Tranquility Bay. Only in the last 2 months or so has he begun to treat the public, his bosses in Washington, and inquring parents as anything more than nasty impediments to his tidy station in Jamaica. Parents have tried to determine the conditions at TB before they send their kids in, and State in Kingston, Jamaica has said there have been no complaints...when, in fact, there have been a raft of them specifically to the Embassy in Jamaica. There has been a change lately, however, with a lot more candor and cooperation from Mr. Grant and his staff. It may be a coincidence that several very high-profile media reports absolutely blasting Tranquility Bay have appeared in the media in the last 2 months.
I want to see the State Department do a better job in protecting US citizens in Mexico. Please think hard, and let me know if you can add any corroboration, so we can talk to Washington, D.C. and implement the controls the government thinks it already has in place in Mexico. Ask any WWASPS veterans you know, especially those who do not regularly read this forum. Thank you.
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On 2003-08-22 10:53:00, spots wrote:
"I want to see the State Department do a better job in protecting US citizens in Mexico. Please think hard, and let me know if you can add any corroboration, so we can talk to Washington, D.C. and implement the controls the government thinks it already has in place in Mexico. Ask any WWASPS veterans you know, especially those who do not regularly read this forum. Thank you."
1) Please do as the lady asks. It's not a whole lot of effort or expense on your part and it may well do some good. But...
2) Don't count on it! When it comes right down to it, what we're really talking about is "the controls the government thinks it already has in place in Mexico.", or elsewhere for that matter. And, despite having some credit hours in history and a few decades of experience with human beings, government and how the world works, some people actually believe that if the government certifies something, then it MUST be good and pure and wholesome and that, if it's not, then someone else is responsible and you can and will get paid for your trouble.
To those people I would like to say WAAAAAAAAAKE UP!!!! :idea: ...
...all the way! Come fully concious and come to terms with that fact that, you, and not some government functionary, are responsible for making sure that the people with whom you entrust your very own progeny are reliable, kind and honest. Make sure your kids understand this. Save a friend or neighbor some trouble and heartache by sharing this nugget of wisdom with them.
I'm not talking about some esoteric or abstract political view. And I don't mean should when I say must. What I mean is that, regardless of your or anyone else's fond wishes to the contrary, Big Brother is not watching out for your best interest. You must look out for yourself or don't come cryin' ta' me about it. I told ya' so!
The only difference between me and a madman is that I am not mad.
-- Salvador Dali
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Your suggestion could be applicable IF parents knew their kids were being abused in the facilities WWASP tortures them in.
My experience,I was not aware what was transpiring within teh facilities until after he came home.
Its your job to know! There is no excuse for not knowing whether or not your child is safe...especially when YOU have placed them in an institution that holds them against their will.
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You gotta be kidding, Uncle Sam to the rescue of America's youth incarcerated in private (meaning parent-funded) institutions? Where have you been the past few years as more and more states voted to enact legislation making it easier to try kids as adults and lock 'em up on the taxpayers dime?
:eek:
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Spots wrote::
State from Tijuana DOES visit regularly. I positively know this. Could be from the 3 weeks continual phone calls between me and Tijuana Consulate, or maybe my 1+ hour conversation when the main consular officer phoned me at home."
We're supposed to believe YOU had anything to do with inspections? That's funny :rofl: There are many parents in and out of there everyday from 8am until 8 pm. How are they muffling the screams of the kids you think are being beaten and abused? It's really not big - do they have underground compound no one knows about. You've seen too many Stephen King movies or reading way too much fiction - Are you helping Ryan write his script?
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We're supposed to believe YOU had anything to do with inspections? That's funny :rofl: There are many parents in and out of there everyday from 8am until 8 pm. How are they muffling the screams of the kids you think are being beaten and abused? It's really not big - do they have underground compound no one knows about. You've seen too many Stephen King movies or reading way too much fiction - Are you helping Ryan write his script?"
We could all probably move toward changing this industry if we could gain insight into why this poster responds as she does. I think I wrote a pretty calm request, backed by reasonable explanations. I am hoping that working the "regulation angle" might be ONE WAY to rein in the worst schools.
*It is absurd to read into my statements that I had anything to do with inspections. Obviously there is already a legal obligation in place for DOS to visit, whether requested to or not. Why would Anon accuse me of taking credit?
*Parents may be there, but my point is (duh, read it again, Anon) that neither parents nor government officials are being allowed beyond carefully-selected places. A parent requesting to see his child before Level IV and seminars is taken to a one-way mirrored room and observed through the glass. [statement from 3 different parents I personally know of].
*Muffled screams and beatings are easy to "catch". Think bigger here, Anon. Whacking on your child at home with a plastic baseball bat is clearly child abuse, but then SO IS KEEPING HIM IN A DARK CLOSET FOR A YEAR, AWAY FROM ALL SOCIETY, DECENT FOOD, EDUCATION, NEEDING PERMISSION TO PERFORM BODILY FUNCTIONS, DEVOID OF SOCIAL INTERACTION WITH PEERS...at home. Just enlarge the closet to a Casa or TB compound, and expand your definition of abuse. You have to think big to understand abuse, Anon; the little "easy" stuff is not the worst.
*The comment about hidden dungeons and the ever-resourceful reference to Ryan and the Movie? Well, if you run out of the intelligent things you can say after one post, might as well revert to the same ole-same ole. It's always good for a rant and tickle.
My point is, what motivates this kind of response to my DOS question? Why is it so important for this anonymous person to attack my question, with inane and really stupid "reasons"? What is in it for her that she is so persistent with no new news? She doesn't seem to have a child to defend. She doesn't seem to have money spent that needs justification. She may be protecting her job with fierceness, regardless of the impact that job has on families. She doesn't seem to have anything on the "positive" side to justify all this negative that is her knee-jerk reaction. Maybe she just hates her own mother, and this feels good to vent that hate.
What a sad, lonely, ineffective person this is. I wish I could walk away and leave her screaming after me as I go into the sunlight. But I must continue to bring sunlight down into the darkness, and this devil just happens to be hiding in every crevice on the path there. ...Sigh...
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Its so easy for Carey and others to blame parents for reaching out for help for their troubled teens.
I take full responsibity for the mistake.
The issue is the ABUSE . Not the parent's error in trusting the untrustworthy.
Direct your ugliness in the correct direction.
This forum is not one of support, but of attacks against humanity. How sick.How unkind.
What do you all strive to accomplish?
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I have not blamed anyone for reaching out for help. What I said is that it is a parents job to know whether or not their child is safe, especially if they have put them into a place that holds them against their will.
Do you not agree with that?
If you have guilt, well don't blame me. All I am trying to do is to reach the parents of kids who are still in these types of programs. I think it is their job to know, without a doubt, that their child is safe.
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Spots,
FYI Bruce Kraft is the American representative in the Embassy ,Jamaica. 876 929-5374
fax 876 935 6018
Ambassador in Jamaica; Sue Cobb fax 876 935 6035
GRANT is the alledged sexual predator at TB.
NO longer employed ???
Credibility is important.
Facts need to be accurate.
John Ashcroft US attorney General:askdoj@usdoj.gov
Fax 202 307 6777
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Carey
I agree with parent's need to be aware .
Better yet, don't trust at all.
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Spots,
US Dept of State; Demand his help;
Formal Investigation into Casa By the Sea an American school
Drew Helden,Washington DC 202 736 4996
(202) 223-9232
(202)724 7005
fax 202 647 3732
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http://www.isaccorp.com/investigations.html (http://www.isaccorp.com/investigations.html)
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[ This Message was edited by: KarenZ on 2003-10-17 17:48 ]
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For what it's worth...
Some of this could be useful for educational purposes.
Deborah
Consumer Affairs News from the Center for Mental Health Services
http://www.mentalhealth.samhsa.gov (http://www.mentalhealth.samhsa.gov)
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CMHS Consumer Affairs E-News August 11, 2003 Vol. 03-69
SECLUSION & RESTRAINT
Historic Conference
By Sara Wildberger, SAMHSA News
A clear goal and focused plan to change a controversial practice in mental health and related services emerged at a groundbreaking national conference on May 5 in Washington, DC. Titled "A National Call to Action: Eliminating the Use of Seclusion and Restraint," the conference was sponsored by SAMHSA and the National Association of State Mental Health
Program Directors (NASMHPD).
"The use of seclusion and restraint clouds our vision and impedes our mission," SAMHSA Administrator Charles G. Curie, M.A., A.C.S.W., said in his conference address. "I have made it a priority for SAMHSA to work with states, consumers of mental health services, advocates, service providers, and provider organizations ultimately to eliminate the use of such practices. Today we are launching our national action plan to accomplish that goal."
NASMHPD Executive Director Robert Glover, Ph.D., emphasized the organization's position, issued in July 1999, that seclusion and restraint are safety interventions of last resort and are not treatment interventions, and that they "should never be used for the purposes of discipline, coercion, staff convenience, or as a replacement for adequate levels of staff or active treatment."
Conference participants included leaders from national mental health organizations; professional and provider organizations; Federal, state, and local mental health agencies; clinical training programs; federally funded research, training, and technical assistance centers; and mental health service consumers and people in recovery from addictions and their family members. Participants examined solutions, shared experiences and information, and contributed to a national agenda, which SAMHSA will disseminate.
Jacki McKinney, M.S.W., advocate for the National Association of People of Color Consumers, recounted a night in seclusion spent listening to the man locked in the tiny room next door become increasingly distressed, to the point of death. "Each time [an attendant] came I said, 'I'm going to tell them about the man next door.' But I couldn't, I was so scared for
myself. Isn't this dehumanizing-to force me to make a decision between my life and somebody else's?"
"The challenge we're still facing is addressing a culture where people believe restraint helps," said Laura Prescott, Executive Director and
founder of Sister Witness International, in remarks at the meeting.
Diverse viewpoints also found a forum. Lynn C. DeLacy, M.S., R.N., C.N.N.A., chair of the Task Force on Seclusion and Restraint for the American Psychiatric Nurses Association, expressed concern, in light of the national nursing shortage, about the labor-intensive work required to prevent seclusion and restraint. Charles Riordan, M.D., chair of the American Psychiatric Association's Committee on Standards and Survey
Procedures, predicted problems in eliminating seclusion and restraint without a major commitment of money and resources. He warned of possible unintended consequences of proposed reporting requirements, such as hospitals' refusals to admit certain patients.
The conference ended with a session in which participants submitted recommendations for consideration in pursuing SAMHSA's National Action
Plan.
SECLUSION & RESTRAINT Resources
The following resources provide more information about seclusion and restraint:
· SAMHSA's National Mental Health Information Center, P.O. Box 42490, Washington, DC 20015. Telephone: 1 (800) 789-2647 or 1 (866) 889-2647
(TTY). Or visit the Web site at http://www.mentalhealth.samhsa.gov (http://www.mentalhealth.samhsa.gov)
· NASMHPD's National Technical Assistance Center for State Mental Health Planning at http://www.nasmhpd.org/ntac (http://www.nasmhpd.org/ntac)
· The Child Welfare League of America and Federation of Families for Children's Mental Health staff-training project, funded by SAMHSA,
available at http://www.cwla.org/programs/behavior (http://www.cwla.org/programs/behavior).
· Learning from Each Other: Success Stories and Ideas for Reducing Restraint/Seclusion in Behavioral Health, available at
http://www.psych.org/clin_res/learningfromeachother.cfm (http://www.psych.org/clin_res/learningfromeachother.cfm).
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The Declaration from the Association of Child and Adolescent Psychiatric Nursing is a position regarding the detention of minor children in psychiatric treatment facilities, drug and alcohol treatment facilities, residential treatment facilities, and "behavior modification boarding schools."
http://www.teenliberty.org/ACAPN.htm (http://www.teenliberty.org/ACAPN.htm)
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Sept 1999- In the wake of numerous reports of injuries and deaths, the federal and state governments are stepping in to curb restraint use in youth facilities: Congress is considering two laws to curtail the use of restraints on children in hospitals and other mental health facilities; the U.S. Health Care Financing Administration (HCFA) announced in June new proposed standards governing the use of restraints in hospitals and plans to issue rules later this year on other facilities, such as residential treatment centers for children; Connecticut, Massachusetts and North Carolina are among states that recently enacted laws or regulations to dictate when youth workers can use certain restraints, or to ban some restraints altogether; the U.S. Office of Juvenile Justice and Delinquency Prevention has awarded $2.6 million in grants to the Council of Juvenile Correctional Administrators (CJCA) to change procedures, including restraint use, at juvenile detention and correctional facilities; the U.S. Substance Abuse and Mental Health Services Administration is developing an action plan to ?address problems with the misuse of seclusion and restraints in health care facilities.? (See story, page 44.)
http://216.239.37.100/search?q=cache:LV ... n&ie=UTF-8 (http://216.239.37.100/search?q=cache:LV0nbV7RDkcC:www.ytyt.org/infobank/document.cfm/parent/529+%22brown+schools%22&hl=en&ie=UTF-8)
Peaceful Intervention Program (PIP) Malcolm Smith
Advocate for abandoning Restraint all together
http://216.239.37.100/search?q=cache:LV ... n&ie=UTF-8 (http://216.239.37.100/search?q=cache:LV0nbV7RDkcC:www.ytyt.org/infobank/document.cfm/parent/529+%22brown+schools%22&hl=en&ie=UTF-8)
Child Welfare League of America (CWLA).
Walker Trieschman Center, Boston (now a division of the CWLA) that advocates for improved youth worker training.
http://216.239.37.100/search?q=cache:LV ... n&ie=UTF-8 (http://216.239.37.100/search?q=cache:LV0nbV7RDkcC:www.ytyt.org/infobank/document.cfm/parent/529+%22brown+schools%22&hl=en&ie=UTF-8)
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On 2003-08-22 10:53:00, spots wrote;
State from Tijuana DOES visit regularly. I positively know this. Could be from the 3 weeks continual phone calls between me and Tijuana Consulate
Not reading anything into it, Spots. You wrote it. However, I don't think YOU had anything to do with their inspections. These have been done regularly for years.
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On 2003-08-24 11:34:00, Anonymous wrote:
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On 2003-08-22 10:53:00, spots wrote;
State from Tijuana DOES visit regularly. I positively know this. Could be from the 3 weeks continual phone calls between me and Tijuana Consulate
Not reading anything into it, Spots. You wrote it. However, I don't think YOU had anything to do with their inspections. These have been done regularly for years."
My comment was that, because of all the phone calls, I **KNOW** the inspections were done. No, I didn't have anything to do with them going in for their regular "surprise" visits, but I was just attacked on this forum for taking credit for sending in DOS. The writer smugly assured me that State is there already, and that parents are present 12 hours a day, every day, and that abuse could not possibly be ignored under such circumstances unless they missed the underground dungeons at Casa. Pulleeeze.