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Treatment Abuse, Behavior Modification, Thought Reform => The Troubled Teen Industry => Topic started by: Anonymous on August 20, 2003, 04:51:00 PM
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I came upon a few of the letters home from my son. i went to their bbs, it made me feel somewhat better that others missed their child too. i was told not to be manipulated, this was always the initial reaction b/c they think mommy/daddy are coming to take them home, and until they believe that you arean't they won't "work the program" and that it would "get better in time",
here are some excerpts:
"this is so hard for me. pls tell them you need to talk to me on the phone"
"please, i miss you so much i cant stop crying"
"you mean more than anything to me, i have never been so depressed in my life, it is very important that I get a counselor to talk to, i will try my hardest to do good but i need your help"
the letters dont get better, but deteriorate from there, the handwriting is not on line paper and the words cascade downward toward end of each line
""i'm trying to deal with some of my problems, i never told yu when i was home but i think i'm schizophrenic"
"in your letter please tell me how much you love me"
"i feel empty inside and don't know how to get rid of it, i don't think i can"
this of course is all manipulation. these letters have nothing to do with the fact that a staff member threatened to rape him, alarms were going off all night, being punched in the chest was being "consequenced", told that he was "damaged goods" and "you are in fact a bad kid and i don't know if your mom will want to come and get you, even if you do graduate the program" (more love and affection from the caring staff, of course)
I never heard the expression "tea bag" until my son came home. thats what the staff member said he wanted to do to my son. this makes me sick and angry as hell.
little did i know. . . in my letters i tell him how much i love him and that i'm trying to HELP him, that i would never put him in DANGER. . . little did i know.
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Have you gone to check it out for yourself? Have you spoken to grads of the school your son is in? If your gut feeling is he's telling the truth, then go see for yourself. Was he honest before he went? Did he say what you wanted to hear or know what to say to get his way prior to leaving? What I hear is that you seem to believe it. The only way to know is to go and see. And, go unannounced. That is my suggestion.
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I failed to see your son was home. When did he graduate?
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Anon,
Im sorry for your pain. Little did I know.
We do love our kids, We did try to help them.
We would NEVER had put them in danger.
Teen Help-WWASP lied to us. They hurt our kids.
Have faith, we will close the evil empire down.
Little did we know people could be so unkind to the kids in the name of Emotional Growth,behavior modifying...
WWASP is a sick evil program.
The sherpas and the cultst are evil,stupid too.
What is a Tea Bag?
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Thank you PURE for your previous posts. :rofl:
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:eek: :eek: :eek: :eek: :eek:
Also, to put testicles in someone's mouth.
Also, according to John Waters' Pecker, when a male stripper rests his testicles on top of your head.
(idea) by Big_Al (1.7 y) (print) ? 1 C! Mon Jul 17 2000 at 5:16:53
To "tea bag" means to lightly place one's balls on ANY surface, though usually one not belonging to the tea bagger. Some good candidates for tea bagging include keyboards, coffee mugs, remote controls, etc. This is done for two reasons : to "mark territory", and to feel superior (e.g. when your adversary drinks coffee from a mug that you tea bagged)...
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Enough with the "Thank you PURE for your previous posts", not many on this forum have respect for PURE. We all know that. It is obvious you are a WWASP supporter trying to change the topic of abuse within WWASP programs to PURE.
Do i have respect for PURE? No, but i wont waste my time arguing about it when we are talking about abuse in WWASP programs.
Most common WWASP defense comments: "Did your kid lie before he left home?" "Did he graduate the program" "Its manipulation" and now the newest one "Ok PURE".
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my little did i know post has nothing to do with Pure. I've never spoken to anyone at pure nor do i know anything about it.
In response to the person who was sincerely sympathetic, thank you.
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On 2003-08-20 14:34:00, Anonymous wrote:
"Have you gone to check it out for yourself? Have you spoken to grads of the school your son is in? If your gut feeling is he's telling the truth, then go see for yourself. Was he honest before he went? Did he say what you wanted to hear or know what to say to get his way prior to leaving? What I hear is that you seem to believe it. The only way to know is to go and see. And, go unannounced. That is my suggestion. "
yes, i did check it out for myself. i did go there unannounced. he is telling the truth. yes, i do believe it.
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Maybe the "tea bags" should be put into boiling water.If the owner of the Tea bags are unable to keep them in their pants.
I am not Pure. I am a parent who had beed duped by wwasp.My child mistreated by wwasp.
I appreciate Pure.My friends at Pure were there when I needed them most.
That is what Pure is all about.Parents helping Parents.
Everything else is secondary to that fact.
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:rofl:
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Hey mom/dad - little did you know what? That your kid got his way and is now home? How are things going? Guess what, some staff can be pretty obnoxious, but so can a lot of people outside of a program. I guess he didn't deal with it, if it really was said, very well, huh? Coming to the rescue...bet that'll go on the rest of your lives. Gee, I'm not usually so mean, but this forum just does something to me. You weren't duped by wwasp, you were duped by your kid. How does it feel? I said the same stuff, but thank god my parents didn't believe it, or they'd be here talking shit. This is scarey shit, I typed in wwasp to get on the bbs and found this - hope you guys live a happy life in denial.
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he's doing great. he now is getting the help he really needs. who's in denial here?
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we will, without wwasp, now run along go find your bbs,,(oh yeah if you graduated wouldnt you know the bbs site? and have it in you favorites??) by the way my child is doing great, and im sorry your parents think your a liar!!
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do pro wwasp people sleep?? :???: they are always posting in the middle of the night,kind of funny wonder what they do for a living?? to be up all night
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WWASPIE,
You'd be surprise to know life does go on successfully WITHOUT the WWASP Program.
People Do very well in life.They finish school,no thanks to the program.They accomphlish they're excellance.
"Some staff can be obnoxious".If that comment wasnt so bad and off the mark it would be funny.
Obnoxious? What the survivors describe in Isac's report, what I have heard and documented is not considered obnoxious. Much,much worse. Illegal.
"Step left" out of the Brain washed program mentality and come up for air and reality.
YOU will survive without it.
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My feedback to you Program kid,
You're a liar.
Common knowleged how to access the BBS.It is not through typing in WWASP.
Denial,why does it have to be we are in denial?
How about TRUTH . Irealize truth doesnt fit into the program's jargon.
Typical cult behavior.
Attack anyone who disagrees with the WWASP abusive Behavior Modifying techniques.
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On 2003-08-21 19:19:00, Anonymous wrote:
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I appreciate Pure.My friends at Pure were there when I needed them most.
That is what Pure is all about.Parents helping Parents.
Everything else is secondary to that fact."
Even what's best for you children? :???: When they grow up, it's up to them whether they respect you or can never forgive you for the choices you've made regarding them. If you have ever lied to your child, thinking it was for their own good, you were wrong. The day you had them was the day that you come second for the rest of your life. Parents may need support, but the children come first. I wish some of you could hear how selfish you sound.
Your children are not your children. They are the sons and daughters of Life looking for itself. They come through you but not from you, and though they are with you yet they belong not to you.
You may give them your love but not your thoughts. You may house their bodies but not their souls, for their souls dwell in the house of tomorrow, which you cannot visit, not even in your dreams. You may strive to be like them, but seek not to make them like you. For life goes not backward nor tarries with yesterday. You are the bows from which your children as living arrows are sent forth. The archer sees the mark upon the path of the infinite and He bends you with his might that His arrows may go swift and fast. Let the bending of the Archer's hand be for gladness; for even as He loves the arrow that flies, so He loves also the bow that is stable.
- Kahlil Gibran
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Mo - beautifully said "through" Kahlil! As parents, the needs of our children must be FOR the children, not what WE think it should be. They will find their way, with help from others when needed. Asking for help is a good thing, for what we aren't able to accomplish on our own. There is a huge difference between SELFISH and SELFLESS.
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DID EVERYONE KNOW THE LANDRE FOUNDATION OR STAR OF LIFE, IS DOING A BIG FUND RAISER? GUESS WHAT THE BIG, SORRY GRAND PRIZE IS??? THE FAMILY THAT TAKES THE MOST ORDERS WINS ONE MONTHES FREE TUITION IN A WWASP AFFILIATED PROGRAM OR 1,000$ CASH, SO LOOK BEFORE YOU BUY ALSO CHECK OUT THEIR WEBSITE THEY DO FUNDRAISING ALL OVER THE STATES, I THINK WE SHOULD START PROTESTING ALL OF THEM, LET PEOPLE KNOW WHAT THEY ARE BUYING AND WHAT IT WILL COST THE CHILD THEY SEND THERE.
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What a wonderful way to help the families! Does anyone know of other programs that are active in helping families with tuition?
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Landre Foundation Helping families with tuition is a fallacy in my opinion.
Do YOU know of any family who EVER received money for tuition.
I know many families who contributed to Landre.
Dig deeper for the truth...
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i found pictures of 2 on the internet, they sharedthe grand prize
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Yeah, this sounds like something ISAC should be checking into and writing a report on given how enmeshed in the recruiting business this foundation appears to be.
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In accord with the usual WWASP doublespeak, the CS LANDRE FOUNDATION/STAR OF LIFE IS REFERRED TO AS A FOUNDATION.
Is this meant to convey the impression that it is somehow a charitable foundation, of the sort that contributions to which are thought to be tax deductible?
Seems to me that the tax regs on foundations would frown on a putative tax exempt organization whose raison de etre is to drum up sales for a for-profit chain of institutions. Or is CS Landre simply a for-profit corporation too?
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Good point! from what i remember, the guy Landre, started the foundation to fund tuition b/c his son was withdrawn b/f he "graduated" and committed suicide. i have an entirely different perception of the story behind the foundation from when i first learned of it and when I had my own experience w/wasp. Then: how sad, the Program could have saved that kids life . . . and Now: maybe he couldnt get past what happened to him ther
Anyone can correct me if i'm wrong as to the origin of the foundation.
And yes, thats where $ goes when people --other than parents --contribute to tuition, which makes it tax deductible (to the best of my knoweledge/experience).
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If I understand correctly the money is loaned to the parents at a low interest rate. They don't actually give the family's anything.
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Looking at the website - http://www.cslandre.org (http://www.cslandre.org), I get that the loans are "zero" interest and are available for families that have been turned down for conventional loans. The fundraisers are with merchandise or golf, baseball, etc., nothing else. The latest merchandise fundraiser has a grand prize of a free month's tuition or $1000.00. Pretty nice prize!
As for the comment of "why" his son committed suicide - you can alway ask him. I get that he was suicidal prior to his admission and because he wasn't there long enough he never got past dealing with his demons. Just speculation.
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i hope they are willing to be ACCOUNTABLE if something happens to those kids
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I appreciate the wise word.
My comment "everything is secondary to that fact" was referring to Pure's referral to schools. Parents helping parents is what Pure is all about.
Not referral fees......
When my son was born it was the most profound ,important thing that ever happened in my life.Everything i have ever done was to assist him in his growth.Beause I love him.
As a parent we make mistakes. There's no doubt in my mind my purpose in life.It is to my children,to my family.
"whole and healthy families :smile: What a crock of shit that is!!!! BIG Scam! sounds pretty.
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On 2003-08-28 21:05:00, Anonymous wrote:
"I appreciate the wise word.
My comment "everything is secondary to that fact" was referring to Pure's referral to schools. Parents helping parents is what Pure is all about.
Not referral fees......
When my son was born it was the most profound ,important thing that ever happened in my life.Everything i have ever done was to assist him in his growth.Beause I love him.
As a parent we make mistakes. There's no doubt in my mind my purpose in life.It is to my children,to my family.
"whole and healthy families :smile: What a crock of shit that is!!!! BIG Scam! sounds pretty."
Okay, here we go with PURE again, but what I see is that PURE is helping parents, not the kids. WWASPS helps the whole family..FACT.
What DOES tiny little PURE do to help the whole family, with support, tuition, aftercare, personal growth and family seminars, etc.? I don't see them helping parents, but poisoning their minds with opinions, not facts, to get business. PERIOD.
I wonder what would happen if PURe actually divulged the schools they refer to...could THEY pass the microscope that wwasps has been under?
What about it...can we get that list and do some investigations of our own?
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Fact : WWASP does more damage to the family than when they started.
That was our experiece.
The seminars are all about brainwashing. To continue committment to keep the money rolling in.
The lies are endless.
Fact: Afer care,tuition support etc etc etc is bullshit.
Pure helps parents. Everything else is secondary.
I know what I have experienced. You continually ignore that FACT.
You are so busy harping on Pure from you percieve to be an issue, and you are chossing to ignore the truth you are being told about WWASP.
What's up with that?
Why do you ignore the truth about wwasp.Truth , what the peole have shared as their experiences??
Where's the integrity , accountabilty?
The Pure bashing is boring and off base.
You do not have your facts correct.
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WWASP Supporters, your only defense is acting like all the posts are coming from PURE. There are thousands of us out there who have been emotionally and physically damaged by WWASP!
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Here's some interesting excerpts from the Siblings Manual. I thought it was interesting that they addressed the issue of brainwashing: http://www2.netdoor.com/~ssl/~ssl/Sibling%20Manual.htm (http://www2.netdoor.com/~ssl/~ssl/Sibling%20Manual.htm)
How does the program work? Are they brain washing my brother/sister?
The program works by encouraging, reinforcing and rewarding positive choices. Poor behavior and negative choices result in immediate consequences such as CATs. It is not brainwashing because the kids get to make their own choices.
4. Why can?t I see them? Why can?t I talk to them on the phone?
No one from home can see them or talk on the phone to them for a long time, including your parents. This is a time for them to look at what they were doing and learn to make changes. Seeing or hearing you or your parents just makes it harder for them to change. They learn how much they really do care about you and your parents by not being allowed to talk to or see you guys and that helps them change.
How could my parents send my brother/sister to some place they never even seen?
It is likely your parents wanted to find a safe place for your brother/sister so badly that they could actually make a decision like this, as crazy as it may seem to you. They may have not had time to visit the facility, but they certainly reviewed information about the facility, talked with other parents who have faced similar situations, or obtained a referral from someone prior to making this difficult decision.
Are these seminars brainwashing my parents?
It may seem like aliens have turned your parents' brains to jello when they come home after the seminars, but they have NOT been brainwashed. The classes are really long, so for one thing, your parents have not had much sleep, and you know how that can make you act. (Ever walk into a wall or trip over your shoes when you were really tired?) The big thing is that the seminars teach your parents new ways to look at their own thoughts and actions and to learn things about themselves.
Why are my parents so tired after these seminars?
Can you say ?slumber party?? Well, it?s lots more work, but your parents really don?t get much sleep. And they even have homework every night! AND?they get ?in trouble? if they don?t do their homework! (It?s only fair, you know!) Besides, they?re not as young as they used to be! Ha!
Will I be sent away?
No. Your parents aren't through torturing you, yet. Kidding. Actually, if you think about it, your brother/sister made choices that weren't good for them or for your family. This isn't a punishment for them (or for you). It is meant to save their lives. Yeah, that sounds scary! Whether you knew it or not, your brother/sister was living very dangerously and this program is a way to keep them safe that your parents couldn't provide at home.
I feel lonely because my parents are too busy with the Program.
Yes, program parents are the worst, huh? Tell them that you feel lonely. Let your parents know that you want to spend more time with them and help them out by telling them what makes you feel the best.
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On 2003-08-30 02:02:00, Anonymous wrote:
"WWASP Supporters, your only defense is acting like all the posts are coming from PURE. There are thousands of us out there who have been emotionally and physically damaged by WWASP!"
1000's? Really? Not all the posts are coming from PURE, but, it seems very likely, from those associated in some way with PURE. This particular post fits right into the smoke screen PURE uses, whether or not it came from a PURE supporter. Sure looks like it! :wink:
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Not gonna look up "cult" or "brainwashing" in the dictionary, but just share my own view / or what it means to me personally.
Cult - a group of people that have strong beliefs that are different from another's beliefs.
So, with that, wouldn't PURE and their supporters be considered a "cult?"
To take it beyond that: Isn't it the view of most "wwaspies" that their strong beliefs in personal growth and family healing is "different" from what didn't work in their family prior to enrolling their child?
Are they being brainwashed?? Yes! - They're being brainwashed into taking a stand for their family and living their personal values. We should be so lucky! :wink:
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On 2003-08-30 02:02:00, Anonymous wrote:
"WWASP Supporters, your only defense is acting like all the posts are coming from PURE. There are thousands of us out there who have been emotionally and physically damaged by WWASP!"
PURE supports, your only defense is acting like the court document doesn't exists, that it's old news, and you are not posting as mulitiple personalities. There are thousands of families that are healed or healing because of WWASPS. Speak your thousands of "damaged" families - aren't you the ones damaging them by making them think what you say is true, just so you can reel them in and pretend to help them by offering something, possibly less effective, so you can have a paycheck? (Just a question that comes to mind.)
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Shut the fuck up you lunatic, you people drive me goddamn crazy. Are you out of your fucking gourd? What are you thinking? Yay we're brainwashed? You psycho fuck, you'll rot in hell you god damn shitburger. I can't even begin to respond to the ludicris shit you wrote. It's awful, but with the insane amount of intelligence and patience I have, all I want to do is strangle you, no joke. You are absolutely retarded, it boggles my mind how ignorant you are.
With great love,
Melissa
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MelissaR you need help. I mean that with all sincerity.
How old are you?
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Ahahahahahahahah I need help? I've already been through WWASP, thanks babe... from what I hear you're not all there either! Tee Hee! :smile: I'm 17, sweet pea. How old are you? You kill me! I need help! OH my godddddddddddddddd.... you need to turn off your trusty computer and go outside and chill out, smoke a bowl, ya know, get faded, something because you're living in a delusional world, you, CAREY, you're nuts too. I'm a teenager, yah, a teenager, just like your "loser" boys whom I guarantee are totally mortified to have you as their mom.... oh my lord, I am about to go party with my friends, ya know, live my life... I came to this board to take WWASP down, not get psychoanalyzed by the psychos... (aka you...) does that make sense? Yo peace! UGH!
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Melissa is an excellent young lady, who can be make really intelligent comments when she wants to. She can also come unglued when you all fart off. Carey, Melissa doesn't need any help you can give or direct her to. Her story is here on this board, and it is touching and believable. Take time to find it.
It has been said that the very best way to overcome the brainwashing and humiliation that months and months of WWASP put you through is to become a survivor with a mission. Melissa is doing just fine in that regard. Leave her alone.
Don't you have a vendetta waiting?
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Carey is just a meddlin' bitch. Enough said. She's a two-timin, lying through her teeth schoundrel, and it's people like her and Sue that are getting in the way of my conquest. Is is of great inportance to me to do whatever I can to keep other kids from experiencing the hell I did in the WWASP programs. I have never had such a conviction in my life. My support for this cause is better than my faith in my religion. I think about it every day, I try to do something to help every day, it's like those die hard mormons. I have such a committment within myself it's incredibly important to make a difference.
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Surely Melissa won't be testifing in court. If she thinks she is helping anybody with what spews out of her mouth, she is dead wrong.
Melissa, you attack my boys, why? What have they ever done to you?
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Oh you stupid bitch. Yes, I WILL be testifying in court, sweet thang. You need to look before you leap. Either that, or think long and hard before that trap door of yours opens and bullshit flies out. You have nooooooooo idea what you are talking about! Absolutely none! Do you realize why your kids were smoking pot? Do you know how funny it is when you're high as can be and your parents are squaking at you, similar as how you've done to me in this thread.....? YAH it's freaking hillarious! I'm not attacking your boys, I feel sorry for them... You are too much.... jeez I hope for gods sakes their father goes to the PTA meetings, because you are like a Jehova's Witness, peddlin' nonsense around and whatnot! And you don't stop! You keep ringin' my doorbell, tryin to get in through my garage, peepin in my windows so you can make your point! But what point? You say I spew... aha, I have not heard one sensible statement from that face of yours since I joined the site. Well from what it sounds like to me, your boys need to get laid, and from what I've seen they're decently cute... have them give me a call! Ahahahahaha..... Oh my, you kill me...
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Melissa is an excellent young lady, who can be make really intelligent comments when she wants to. She can also come unglued when you all fart off. Carey, Melissa doesn't need any help you can give or direct her to. Her story is here on this board, and it is touching and believable. Take time to find it.
It has been said that the very best way to overcome the brainwashing and humiliation that months and months of WWASP put you through is to become a survivor with a mission. Melissa is doing just fine in that regard. Leave her alone.
Well, anon after reading Melissa's last post, do you still think she is not in need of help?
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Oh hell no, bitch! What are you gonna do? Send me to the program! Just that statement you made tells me that you are 100% grade A WWASP program parent material! You don't like the truth so you wanna "get me help", get me doped, up, shipped off, etc. Just like you did to your boys! You don't like the fact they're TEENAGERS! Normal, living, breathing TEENAGERS, so you dumped 'em off, then tried to be the hero and save them. You're a sorry bitch. Sorry ass bitch. You want SOMEONE to validate your opinion, just like the family reps did when your boys were in Dundee! "Oh yes, Ms. Bock, you made the right decision, your sons would have died if they weren 't here, please send me 3,000 dollars, they're being fed 5-star culinary masterpieces and playing polo in the lawn, if you need to sell your house to pay for it, I know of an excellent realtor, his name is.... Kay.... Ken Kay I believe...." Give me a fucking break! How multifaceted of him! How versitile! That is SO interesting how a mini-mart attendant can incarcerate your child and sell your house! Oh, and if THAT's not enough you can sell your soul as well! TO THE DEVIL HIMSELF! You sorry bitch! You don't like to deal with reality, so you write me off as needing help! I just tell it straight, bitch, get used to it, or get over it.
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It is obvious, Melissa does not know what she is talking about. Maybe some one should clue her in on what reality is. It is also obvious that she will make up and say just about anything in order to realize (and I use her words) her "conquest."
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......and at this point, I've lost interest in SCARY CAREY!
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Carey - Maybe it's not Melissa talking, maybe it's the drugs she's on talking. :wink:
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Melissa,
I am profoundly respectful of your ability to direct your anger where it is deserved: The program(s) and their supporters. I just read this in another thread :
"Why does my brother or sister have to go so far away?
They?ve got to have a shock, a big change to wake them up."
What is shock, except Trauma? I was never in a program myself. I am married to someone who tried for many years to convince himself that the program (Straight, Inc.) he was in "saved his life." It took him almost 20 YEARS to realize that it was Brainwashing and trauma-based treatment in order to effect change. (That's how brainwashed he was) It is all outward change based on fear.
You may need help in order to get over what the program did to you. You are probably dealing with PTSD. I hope that your parents are supportive of you now. I can understand where you are coming from, even though I haven't been there. I wish you well and go ahead and tell the truth in court! :wave: :wave: :wave: We need more teens that have not have the statute of limitations pass them by to help stop the abuse.
R. Sherman
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You are probably dealing with PTSD.
So, R. Sherman, you are a psychiatrist / psychologist, are you making an assumption diagnosis?
I can understand where you are coming from, even though I haven't been there.
Now if that is not an oxymoron, I don't know what is. R. Sherman, get a grip!
If Melissa ever wants anyone to take her seriously she is going to have to learn, first to get her facts straight and second how to talk to people so that they will listen.
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Maybe you should take your own advice and learn how to talk to people. Btw - what the hell is YOUR agenda? You seem to be pro WWASP, or maybe your just pro cary (or pro scary). LOL - sometimes I see people an I thank God that that person isn't me. I've thought that damn near everytime I read one of your poses
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Dear Carey,
No, I am not a psychologist and I did not make a diagnosis. I was simply trying to be supportive of a survivor. A careful reader would notice the words "may" and "probably." I simply based this on the fact that many of the survivors of other harmful programs have admitted to being diagnosed with 'Post Traumatic Stress Disorder.' I have talked to a number of survivors of various programs. They may come from different programs, schools, drug treatment programs, whatever, but the stories all contain the same things (isolation, intimidation, regression, and just plain fear.) Carey, bless your heart, there is nothing new about this at all. It's not about revenge. It's not about the parents. It's not about "15 minutes of fame". It's not about the money, that keeps survivors (and some parents and other friends) posting here and elsewhere, it is about recovering dignity and self worth by letting the world know what is going on in secret in order to stop the abuse. None of them deserved this. Not one. And Melissa deserves to be supported in her fight.
Rhonda Sherman
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R. Sherman, like I said, Melissa needs help. She has attacked me verbally, stated things about my case that are totally false, called my boys "losers". She has lost touch with reality. She is making things up in her head and them spewing them out. Go back and read what she said I did. Is she way off base or what?
If this is her way of obtaining self worth and dignity, it sure seems strange.
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Carey, I'm just fucking with your mind because you're so stupid, you say the dumbest things ever! You get so riled up, that's why I screw with you, you idiot.
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Don't be so Sensitive, Carey. Get some rest.
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On 2003-08-31 15:23:00, Carey wrote:
"You are probably dealing with PTSD.
So, R. Sherman, you are a psychiatrist / psychologist, are you making an assumption diagnosis?
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Maybe R. Sherman is basing this on what we hear all too often about program returnees. For instance -
"They were terrified of the possibility of going back because of what they said goes on there," the psychiatrist told The Tico Times this week during a phone interview. "If what the boys say is true, they are both suffering legitimate stress disorder."
The entire article can be found here -
http://www.ticotimes.net/archive/01_17_03_2.htm (http://www.ticotimes.net/archive/01_17_03_2.htm)
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On 2003-08-31 10:51:00, Anonymous wrote:
"Melissa,
I am profoundly respectful of your ability to direct your anger where it is deserved: The program(s) and their supporters. I just read this in another thread :
"Why does my brother or sister have to go so far away?
They?ve got to have a shock, a big change to wake them up."
What is shock, except Trauma? I was never in a program myself. I am married to someone who tried for many years to convince himself that the program (Straight, Inc.) he was in "saved his life." It took him almost 20 YEARS to realize that it was Brainwashing and trauma-based treatment in order to effect change. (That's how brainwashed he was) It is all outward change based on fear.
You may need help in order to get over what the program did to you. You are probably dealing with PTSD. I hope that your parents are supportive of you now. I can understand where you are coming from, even though I haven't been there. I wish you well and go ahead and tell the truth in court! :wave: :wave: :wave: We need more teens that have not have the statute of limitations pass them by to help stop the abuse.
R. Sherman
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I find defending Melissa borders on being co-dependent. I get that she is a spoiled brat that refuses to set her own boundaries. It's clear in her writing that she is using, her own admission, and that's okay too. What's that saying - based on results she got exactly what she intended both in the program and on this board. PTSD - only if she had it prior to going into her program. Go help someone who is open to it, she's clearly not. :wink:
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My boys have been diagnosed with PTSD by a doctor. Has Melissa? I can tell you this, my boys are not on these internet forums spewing in the name of treatment.
Melissa can say anything she wants. She can taunt me all she likes...but she is not hurting me, she is hurting herself.
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Carey if you would stop bogarting the computer all the time and let you boy's have a chance, maybe they would be "spewing in the name of treatment". BTW - are you related to that psycho bitch Ann Coulter? Damn, Melissa, you are right! Carey is easy to pick on. :rofl:
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Many returnees have been diagnosed by doctors as suffering PTSD. My impression is that R. Sherman was suggesting the probability of PTSD based on that verifiable fact and because of a sincere concern.
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So like I said, Sherman was making an assumption diagnosis.
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On 2003-08-31 20:52:00, Carey wrote:
"So like I said, Sherman was making an assumption diagnosis."
based on known fact and a kind heart.
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So Carey,
You are accusing Rhonda of making a diagnosis. What diagnosis did you have in mind when you said that Melissa "needed help", multiple times?
And don't give the "cat covering its shit" answer that you weren't suggesting, implying, alluding to her having a mental problem of some sort. That is pretty much the way the rest of the world interprets those words- needs help.
Rhonda ventured a guess about what Melissa might be dealing with- PTSD. You didn't venture a guess- but you did venture to suggest that she has problems and needs help.
How is that different?
Deborah
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On 2003-08-31 16:31:00, Carey wrote:
"R. Sherman, like I said, Melissa needs help. She has attacked me verbally, stated things about my case that are totally false, called my boys "losers". She has lost touch with reality. She is making things up in her head and them spewing them out. Go back and read what she said I did. Is she way off base or what?
If this is her way of obtaining self worth and dignity, it sure seems strange.
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Damn, Carey, I though this was from someone else describing you. Then, lo and behold, it's the real you...looking in the mirror?
SK, another unfortunate victim of Carey's obsession with publishing her private email.
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Deborah, saying someone needs help is not quite the same as diagnosing someone with a mental illness. When I see a homeless lady pushing her basket down the street, I may say I think the woman needs help. I certainly don't assume she is suffering from schizophrenia and make the statement that she is just because I have heard that other homeless people suffer from schizophrenia.
I do not know what the problem is, but it is obvious to me she needs help. Who knows maybe just a vocabulary class would help Melissa to be taken seriously. The anon who said she sounds like a little brat is pretty accurate. Except, let me add, a foul mouth little brat who can't think of something worth saying so she just spews.
She is another one who makes things up and spews it out. Look at what she said about what happened in my situation...she was dead wrong. Who would believe a word she says? You?
If Melissa if representative (not the representative but if she represents the type of individual) going to court against WWASP, there is going to be trouble. You know it and I know it.
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On 2003-08-30 23:18:00, MelissaR wrote:
"Carey is just a meddlin' bitch. Enough said. She's a two-timin, lying through her teeth schoundrel, and it's people like her and Sue that are getting in the way of my conquest. Is is of great inportance to me to do whatever I can to keep other kids from experiencing the hell I did in the WWASP programs. I have never had such a conviction in my life. My support for this cause is better than my faith in my religion. I think about it every day, I try to do something to help every day, it's like those die hard mormons. I have such a committment within myself it's incredibly important to make a difference. "
I read this and I think BRAINLESS BOVINE who has no idea how to direct her anger, or child being coached by a 'not very bright' adult. Your conquest huh? Could you sound any more selfish, ignorant and arrogant? Carey is after the same goal as you! Carey also sounds more level headed and intelligent than a majority of the rest of you in my opinion. Always has.
Oh Melissa,
Nice accent btw. ::ftard::
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Could you sound any more arrogant, Pinky? Since you have an icon, does that mean you're God? Yeah... I've got a down home Denver accent.... ya baby!
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First of all Carey, you?re not supportive of this lawsuit, are you? Then why would you want to give the appearance of being concerned about what kind of witness Melissa will be? A vocabulary class? I?m sure her attorney will advise her on courtroom etiquette.
Second, I have a son with PTSD too. It was 6 months that he self-mutilated. It took 2 years before he took off the black clothes and chains (his safety blanket) because he no longer wanted to repel EVERYone. It was 3 years before he trusted another adult, other than me. It took him 5 years to recover his self worth and dignity. It was five years before there wasn?t a cuss word in every sentence he uttered. Five years before he could feel hope again. He?s still sorting out the remnants of confusion they instilled.
I don?t know how your sons? PTSD manifests, but my son exhibited outbursts of rage, raw rage, when he felt someone was attempting to control or manipulate him. It was logistically impossible for him to direct it at the appropriate person. He had been abused on a daily basis and had to stuff 6 months of anger (a rational response to abuse) so when it began to surface it was directed at every adult that ?looked or acted? like the perpetrator.
Our therapist encouraged me not to put boundaries on his verbal expression. It was and would be, a clear indicator of how he was progressing. That proved to be accurate and very helpful to him. Don?t go overboard and construe that to mean it was a free for all. I had to learn when he was really venting the hurt and anger and when it was just habit, and point out when it was the later.
What I observed is that Melissa (sorry Melissa, I don?t mean to speak of you as if your weren?t here) vented some anger about the ?ongoing pure/wwasp? debate. You immediately asserted yourself as an authoritative adult, judging her to need help and criticizing her. Not once, but 7 or 8 times.
1) MelissaR you need help. I mean that with all sincerity. How old are you?
2) Surely Melissa won't be testifing in court. If she thinks she is helping anybody with what spews out of her mouth, she is dead wrong.
3) Well, anon after reading Melissa's last post, do you still think she is not in need of help?
4) It is obvious, Melissa does not know what she is talking about. Maybe some one should clue her in on what reality is.
5) If Melissa ever wants anyone to take her seriously she is going to have to learn, first to get her facts straight and second how to talk to people so that they will listen.
6) It is also obvious that she will make up and say just about anything in order to realize (and I use her words) her "conquest."
7) R. Sherman, like I said, Melissa needs help. She has attacked me verbally, stated things about my case that are totally false, called my boys "losers". She has lost touch with reality. She is making things up in her head and them spewing them out. Go back and read what she said I did. If this is her way of obtaining self worth and dignity, it sure seems strange.
:cool: If Melissa if representative (not the representative but if she represents the type of individual) going to court against WWASP, there is going to be trouble. You know it and I know it.
Seems to me it?s been an opportunity to badger a teen involved with the lawsuit you don?t support. It would be interesting to see what happened if you backed off her. One good jab deserves another.
Deborah
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Well, thanks folks for the introduction. Maybe I need my own topic. First of all, like I said, I'm 17 years old, so sue me. I really don't know what else to say. Perhaps if you (Carey) were not so stubborn, then you might be easier to communicate with. I find it absolutely hillarious that you deemed me needing treatment. I can totally see why you dumped your boys off in a program (or you got divorced, and your husband did...that's simply the way your family operates.) You don't deal with the problem or challenge at hand, you look for a quick fix, or diagnosis. You are the type of parent who has their ancy 3 year old put on Ritalin. You are quick to speak your mind, but have nothing but criticism of others comments. As far as my education goes, I'm a high school senior and I completed AP Language last year scoring a 4 on the AP exam. If you don't know about AP or Advanced Placement courses, look it up. I'm going to the W.P. Carey School of Business at Arizona State University to major in Advertising and Marketing, and I will be minoring in Journalism at the Walter Cronkite School of Journalism. Next time, before you criticise my education based on internet posts, think again please. I'm not offended because I don't have the maturity of a 4 year old. I've said it before, it's a shame you have kids. If I knew them, I'd get them so blazed simply out of feeling sorry for them. If you criticize me for using allusions to drugs, think about government propaganda. I totally support legalization of marijuana and it helps me think, be creative, and express my thoughts. I know for a fact there are people who agree with me, liberal, open minded individuals. I wouldn't be suprised if you are a sedate member of the lower middle class with the amount of education I read in your posts. People of the lower socio-economic classes often are conservative on social issues. That is why I read white trash from you, you don't even think. I am absolutely CERTAIN I have PTSD. I have all the symptoms and whatnot, but I deal with it in my own way, and someday I will recover from it fully. I'm strong person and I think I can handle myself, and I don't run to prescriptions to erase everything and make it "all better." I would prefer you not judge me before you even have the slightest bit of a concept of who I am. Don't write me off as a bratty teenager like you did to your sons. You know its completely wrong, and shallow.
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. I can totally see why you dumped your boys off in a program (or you got divorced, and your husband did...that's simply the way your family operates.) You don't deal with the problem or challenge at hand, you look for a quick fix, or diagnosis
There she goes again. Talking about things she knows nothing about. I guess since she is just a kid, she should be excused for her not seeing that facts are important. :wstupid: OOPS, did I say that.
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Melissa,
Wow! ASU is a great school and I wish you all the best as your pursue your academic goals. Keep the faith and God will take care of the rest!
::cheers::
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Anon,
Thank you!!! I appreciate that! The biz school is pretty hard to get into! After WWASP and all it was quite an accomplishment!
As for you Carey.... you completely proved my point! You did not listen to ONE thing I said... You just jumped to comclusions and attacked me! You only read what you WANTED from my post, and what I said I firmly believe. Obviously, your family is JACKED UP. I know good and well your little story, and Ms. Carey C. Bock, that is my take on it. You're a liar. Good job, you have got to be the most ignorant person on this forum. I wish there was a block so I didn't have to read your posts. Leave me alone.
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Whoops, didn't mean to post that annonymously....
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Carey,
So Melissa is just a kid, what's your excuse?
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Melissa, you're not the one from Fountain Hills are you? :question:
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No, I'm from SCL
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okay, i didnt even read all 8 pages of this but i can already see that this has turned from a page where a mother posted on the abuse of her child in the program and the letters he sent home, it was debated and found out it was true. it has by page 8 turned into PURE VS WWASP PARENTS VS KIDS, when it should be parents and kids vs pure and wwasp. no matter what program your child was or is in. he or she may be in great danger. many students ( me being one of ) can go to the program and get by, not get abused physically and not be raped but each child is told is small and large ways that he or she is not loved and that we are shit for being sent away yet they try in the later levels reiterate that you are GOOD, i was there for 27 months and coming out i didnt see all the bad anymore. i just wanted to put it all behind me. i can say i am strong and i can handle hard situations, alot of kids are not quite capable of making what is, reality. alot crumble. my best advice is to find a rehab/ center that is AMERICAN and within the us goverment. ONE MORE POINT HIGH IMPACT AND DUNDEE RANCH WERE BOTH SHUT DOWN, HOW COME NOONE STOPS THEM FROM RE- OPENING WHY CANT WWASP BE STOPPED THEY ARE ALL PART OF EACH OTHER TEENHELP, WWASP, BRIGHTWAY HOSPITAL, BROWNING ACADEMY, BELLE ACADEMY ARE ALL PART OR IN TWINE WITH EACH OTHER.
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. it has by page 8 turned into PURE VS WWASP PARENTS VS KIDS, when it should be parents and kids vs pure and wwasp.
:nworthy: :flame:
And last but not least, the a-hole smugly waving: :wave:
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/bump
This is a good thread if you read back through it...it started a while ago..whatever happened to MelissaR?
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[ This Message was edited by: warriorprincess on 2004-02-19 18:58 ]
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The below post if what i am referring to in my post above:
came upon a few of the letters home from my son. i went to their bbs, it made me feel somewhat better that others missed their child too. i was told not to be manipulated, this was always the initial reaction b/c they think mommy/daddy are coming to take them home, and until they believe that you arean't they won't "work the program" and that it would "get better in time",
here are some excerpts:
"this is so hard for me. pls tell them you need to talk to me on the phone"
"please, i miss you so much i cant stop crying"
"you mean more than anything to me, i have never been so depressed in my life, it is very important that I get a counselor to talk to, i will try my hardest to do good but i need your help"
the letters dont get better, but deteriorate from there, the handwriting is not on line paper and the words cascade downward toward end of each line
""i'm trying to deal with some of my problems, i never told yu when i was home but i think i'm schizophrenic"
"in your letter please tell me how much you love me"
"i feel empty inside and don't know how to get rid of it, i don't think i can"
this of course is all manipulation. these letters have nothing to do with the fact that a staff member threatened to rape him, alarms were going off all night, being punched in the chest was being "consequenced", told that he was "damaged goods" and "you are in fact a bad kid and i don't know if your mom will want to come and get you, even if you do graduate the program" (more love and affection from the caring staff, of course)
I never heard the expression "tea bag" until my son came home. thats what the staff member said he wanted to do to my son. this makes me sick and angry as hell.
little did i know. . . in my letters i tell him how much i love him and that i'm trying to HELP him, that i would never put him in DANGER. . . little did i know.
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Were you trying to say something in your "post above"? what did you edit out?
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i took it out b/c it was spouting hate, naming the particular names of individuals who work there at ivy ridge, particular incidents-- what i know of the people there. i guess i just thought it better to do that in court. it was a cya measure and too i didn't want wasper anons attacking what was said.
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On 2004-02-19 18:14:00, warriorprincess wrote:
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The below post if what i am referring to in my post above:
came upon a few of the letters home from my son. i went to their bbs, it made me feel somewhat better that others missed their child too. i was told not to be manipulated, this was always the initial reaction b/c they think mommy/daddy are coming to take them home, and until they believe that you arean't they won't "work the program" and that it would "get better in time",
here are some excerpts:
"this is so hard for me. pls tell them you need to talk to me on the phone"
"please, i miss you so much i cant stop crying"
"you mean more than anything to me, i have never been so depressed in my life, it is very important that I get a counselor to talk to, i will try my hardest to do good but i need your help"
the letters dont get better, but deteriorate from there, the handwriting is not on line paper and the words cascade downward toward end of each line
""i'm trying to deal with some of my problems, i never told yu when i was home but i think i'm schizophrenic"
"in your letter please tell me how much you love me"
"i feel empty inside and don't know how to get rid of it, i don't think i can"
this of course is all manipulation. these letters have nothing to do with the fact that a staff member threatened to rape him, alarms were going off all night, being punched in the chest was being "consequenced", told that he was "damaged goods" and "you are in fact a bad kid and i don't know if your mom will want to come and get you, even if you do graduate the program" (more love and affection from the caring staff, of course)
I never heard the expression "tea bag" until my son came home. thats what the staff member said he wanted to do to my son. this makes me sick and angry as hell.
little did i know. . . in my letters i tell him how much i love him and that i'm trying to HELP him, that i would never put him in DANGER. . . little did i know.
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Why do parents who are supposed to know their kids better than some stranger, actually come to ignore their child's cries for help? I guess this says it all. Beware of manipulating PARENTS, not teens.
Bottom line is if the child is a long way from home, parents must err on the side of caution to compensate for their inability to effectively monitor the quality of their residential care and treatment. Unfortunately, most programs do "coach" parents into placing their trust 100% in "the program" but this kind of BLIND FAITH is inherently risky.
Please, for parents with kids in programs who may be reading this thread, if your child is telling you he/she is being maltreated, please remember you have a duty and an obligation to personally confirm or disprove the allegations with your own eyes and ears -- no matter what the cost or how inconvenient. Your reward is if your child is lying, it is far better to be frustrated and damn angry with them than deeply sorry you did not react or respond appropriately because you chose to believe another parent or staff member. No matter how convincing they may be, be skeptical and be vigilant!!
WP: I do hope your son is doing okay! God bless and take care.
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Oops, apparently this was a letter another parent (not WP) posted awhile back. Sorry for my mistake but nevertheless, the point of my reply remains the same.
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It still baffles me why parents, however desperate, will place such blind trust in a pack of total strangers.
Don't they hear how many little old ladies are bilked out of their life savings each year by televangelists, or bogus sweepstakes, or other cons?
Don't they hear how many people are bilked out of thousands and thousands of dollars by bogus "contractors" to do house repairs?
If you are at such risk hiring a company to repair your roof when you can be right there to supervise the work day in and day out, even if only after you come home from work for the day, how the hell could you send your *child* halfway across the country or even out of the country?!
How bloody stupid can you get?
I was once almost taken in by one of those cons that advertised itself as a "management trainee" job where you sell perfume door to door---con artists are so damned *convincing* in person, so *charming*---but thank god I thought better of it when I got home and called back, asking how many "trainees" actually were placed in management positions. They said "half?" I said "bye."
I'm not saying all residential treatment is a con, I'm saying if you can't afford a slot in Betty Ford and your kid *must* have residential---he's committing crimes, or drunk at school, or flunks multiple drug tests for addictive drugs, or incorrigibly truant, or immediately a danger of violence to self or others----for goodness sakes *at least* choose a hospital in your same state or an adjoining state and make frequent unannounced visits, check your child for bruises on same, stand him/her on a scale and check for unusual weight loss, personally look at educational materials your child is using and compare them to the curriculum at your local high school, etc.
Good lord, this isn't your house or your car---you'd do *at least* that much if one of them were at stake---this is your *child*!
I just don't understand how allegedly responsible parents can take such extreme risks with their child's health and welfare and repose such extreme trust in a pack of total strangers with every incentive to run a con for money.
I'm not accusing a particular school or schools in this---I'm just saying residential treatment should be an absolute last resort and the providers should be *very* closely supervised.
This industry is incredibly unregulated, if your child is horrendously abused, chances are you won't be able to prove it and may not even know it for years, if you *must* use residential treatment, for pete's sake Buyer Beware!!!!
(I forgot to log in. I am Timoclea.)
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See, that was me.
Parents, avoid residential treatment if you can, but *please* if you can't, Buyer Beware! Pick one close to home, check up on them frequently, and know what to check for.History gives us a kind of chart, and we dare not surrender even a small rushlight in the darkness. The hasty reformer who does not remember the past will find himself condemned to repeat it.
--John Buchan
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that was originally my post.
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when that post was brought back up to the top, it felt like yesterday was the day when i went to NY to get my son from Ivy Ridge, knowing in my heart and from the letters, and the fact that I hadn't spoken to him in almost 3 weeks (which was really, logically, when i knew it wasn't right, how can not speaking with your child for any length of time more than one week be good for EITHER of you?), i just felt in my heart something wasnt right.
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my son is doing much better now. i have learned alot since then and he has too. when i was talking with him last week he said he wanted to get a part time job again and work in the summer, i told him that my sisters, who both have small children, would probably also need some help from him (he is good with children, patient as a saint!). He said i know, i will help them, please when you call them tell them how much i have matured, tell them i am responsible now. i said, oh honey, they know how hard you worked to make changes in yourself
i am glad i realized when i did that this program was in fact not going to be "the miracle we have been praying for" "saving his life". before the person who IS my son ceased to exist. getting help for depression, the right medication (emphasis on the word right!), a good, understanding, educated, compasionate therapist, etc. etc. was REALLY the miracle were praying for. (thank you dr. walrad, dr. michelle, and all of you that were on his side). we have a ways to go but we are well on our way.
people cant understand how someone can do that to their child, hell, i thought i was paying for him to get "emotional growth", "structure", "loving and caring staff", HELP, that he was going to a "school" and blah blah blah, so on and so forther, all the typical BULLSHIT you become convinced that your hard fucking earned money is buying, you rationalize, you WANT to believe it but by God wishing something true doesnt make it true.
any parent waspers reading this, let me reiterate
wishing something true doesnt make it true.
do as a reagular poster suggested of any residential treatment program, investigate, visit often and unannounced, listen to your child
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Can anyone tell me about IVY RIDGE and Spring Creek? Your comments about the abuse frighten me, as I am considering sending my daughter to one of these schools.
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C'mon PURE supporters - now's your chance to slander again! Go for it!
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http://biz.yahoo.com/prnews/040205/lath095_1.html (http://biz.yahoo.com/prnews/040205/lath095_1.html)
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Call someone at isaccorp.com and they will give you the phone number of people who had personal experience with ivy and spring creek.
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Yes, call those parents, and also talk with teens who have graduated and their parents. You decide who's being accountable and honest, or not.
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yeah, talk to some wasp people too. you see they all sound the same after a while. its their 'programmed' lingo. if you got half a brain you'll see through their bullshit
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yeah, talk to some wasp people too. you see they all sound the same after a while. its their 'programmed' lingo. if you got half a brain you'll see through their bullshit
Harsh words there, anon...and who, may I ask do you work for? :lol: Personally, I've found ISAC to be anything but...put your $ where your mouth is and tell us WTF you mean by that...
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On 2004-02-24 06:21:00, Frank Discussion wrote:
"yeah, talk to some wasp people too. you see they all sound the same after a while. its their 'programmed' lingo. if you got half a brain you'll see through their bullshit
Harsh words there, anon...and who, may I ask do you work for? :lol: Personally, I've found ISAC to be anything but...put your $ where your mouth is and tell us WTF you mean by that..."
I work for a law firm. my son was in a program. WTF i mean by isac or the program "lingo"
WP
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Are you the lawyer that is on the PURE's list of parent references?
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I work for a law firm. my son was in a program. WTF i mean by isac or the program "lingo"
WP
First of all, thank you for your candor and straight-forwardness. I am glad 2 C that you are signing your initials instead of choosing to remain among the (at least seemingly) vast crowd of anons. It helps to know who who's saying what.
Ok..anyway..I know what program lingo is like, as I was is one, albeit long ago. I wanted you to state more of what your experience was like w/ ISAC rather than just saying "yeah, they seemed to be just like program people." That's a hell of a thing to say, considering that they're supposed to be about getting people *out* of these sorts of programs, not into them..so that was the question..
My thanks to your response in advance.
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On 2004-02-23 12:51:00, Anonymous wrote:
"Can anyone tell me about IVY RIDGE and Spring Creek? Your comments about the abuse frighten me, as I am considering sending my daughter to one of these schools.
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my reference to isac was for this person to call them, b/c isac has information regarding these schools and contacts with people who were there.
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On 2004-02-24 20:00:00, Frank Discussion wrote:
"I work for a law firm. my son was in a program. WTF i mean by isac or the program "lingo"
WP
First of all, thank you for your candor and straight-forwardness. I am glad 2 C that you are signing your initials instead of choosing to remain among the (at least seemingly) vast crowd of anons. It helps to know who who's saying what.
Ok..anyway..I know what program lingo is like, as I was is one, albeit long ago. I wanted you to state more of what your experience was like w/ ISAC rather than just saying "yeah, they seemed to be just like program people." That's a hell of a thing to say, considering that they're supposed to be about getting people *out* of these sorts of programs, not into them..so that was the question..
My thanks to your response in advance."
the last post was mine (WP). no ISAC is NOT like program people. I am not sure why any of my posts were interpreted that way. I happen to like very much the people at isac, and so does my son. sorry if my post was misunderstood. :exclaim:
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On 2004-02-23 15:04:00, Anonymous wrote:
"yeah, talk to some wasp people too. you see they all sound the same after a while. its their 'programmed' lingo. if you got half a brain you'll see through their bullshit"
is this the post you're referring to?? the programmed lingo is referring to WASP. I was taling about calling a WASP person, as the previous anon asked the person inquiring of ivy or SC.
manohman all this anon stuff does get confusing!
WP (gina, from Michigan)
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Sorry folks...my bad. It said WWASP, but I read ISAC. WTF?? Is someone tampering with the board? OR.. Am I going mad??? :???:
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it is when you put your nut sacks over someones eye sockets
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Nice Image
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I would like to thank the employee of ivy ridge who posted. About the only intelligent post here. I especially like the part about give your kids up for adoption. How true. The mother of my kid stuck her in ivy ridge to get out of paying me childsupport. I'm pissed. I am 46yrs old. I was placed in a real boarding school when I was 6yrs. old Iwas there till I was 14 and told my mother to go to hell. I t took me 2 weeks and a threat to her mother to finally find out where she had put her. It took another 2weeks to get the tour of the place. I have filed for custody.Is there abuse going on a ivy ridge. I guarentee it. I could see it before I ever left my house for the 6hr ride to get there. I have the letters from my daughter telling me not to take her mother to court and try to get her out of the "school" This pissed me off. A real "school" would never have allowed her to know what I was doing. Ask any counselor in the world and they would tell you it was wrong. Excuse my french but read your fucking handbook that you were given on page 12 about manipulation. I was then allowed to go to the school for a tour. I have been a few places in my life. I was an over the road truckdriver. Odgensburg, NY . Been there before the middle of nowwhere. Real onehorse town. ivy ridge will put this town on the map.Probably one ofthe largest employers in the town I do the tour bullshit. I was walking down the hall and the kids would sneak glances at me. I asked about that. I was told until they get to a certain "level" you can't talk. Holly shit, you take a dog to obiedence school and at least he can bark. You know what, I don't have the time to tell you dumb ass parents about it .I have been in Jail (for childsupport) and boarding school for 9yrs and ivy ridge. That is also the degree of dificulty. Jail is a piece of cake . Boarding school sucked and ivy ridge is the bottom of the fucking barrell. If you are a parent reading this, use your fucking yuppy head. You tell your kids you don't want them to grow up and work in Micky D's, Who do you think is taking care of your kids. I went to a bar whileI was there and talked to some people.what a joke.Think of this, where you work, you have good and bad employees. Do you think this shit hole is any different. I went to a so called respectable boarding school. There was sexual abuse there and this was in the 60's. Get you head out of your ass. Can you really be this fucking stupid. You work at a job what happens when you have somebody with power. Your boss, or somebody elses boss. Do some of them abuse the power?? Do cops, judges,teachers and even the asshole security guard abuse there power. Put anybody incontrol of somebody and there is the potential for abuse. Now, take the mentality of some of the employees of ivy ridge. You dumb asses. Do you honestly think that one of these hillbillies wouldn't take a blowjob for a smoke. Hell,our one fucken president did it. Where was the secret service?? This place is supposed to be above that? I have been there done that. Do I still have the scares from when I was in a boarding school. Hell yes, 35 yrs later. You ass holed have more money than brains. Insted of the 2cars and the big house you should of spent somemoney on learning how to be a parent. You invented the word TIME OUT. Now you assholes invented the saying, My kid is out of control. Never heard that when I was growing up.Hey, put the kid on ridlin, he must have a problem. You are the fuckin problem. ivy ridge says the kids made poor choices. The kid had no choice to have a stupid parents. Sorry to go off but I hate yuppys and stupid people. They both blame others for there problems. I used to see the yuppies at my daughter's sports events, Usually standing there talking to another ashole about there job, there new house, cars,... Hey, asshole , your kid just scored a goal. They are the ones who say that they don't know what went wrong with so and so's kid . He came from a good family. Nice neighborhood and gave him or her everything. You know who you are. You sent your kid to a place, Not a school. They cheat to get your kid through school. Your kid is home schooled. If you are so fucking smart, have one of the parents stay home and teach the kid. Save the $ 40,000.00 plus cash. Remember this is equal to making$60,000.00. No don't, you were dumb enough to send your kid to ivy ridge your too stupid to educate them. Shit you too stupid to be a parent. Remember, you are the minority, there are a hell of alot more good parents than bad. Hey, the next time you go out to eat at Micky D's or the country club look at the person who waites on you and tell him that you have more money than him but, he will probably be a better parent. And, for the kids who got out of these places. When you turn 18 get a lawyer. Sue you parents, they fucked you. They put you on this earth and didn't do there job. They had choices. abortion, adoption. But they chose to fuck you up themselves. If your still in ivy ridge, I know you wont be reading this. Also, I would be glad to take a couple kids at my house. You give me custody will call the $40,000.00 childsupport and it will be tax free to me. I will teach you kid what he or she needs to know. EPa3437202@aol.com