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Treatment Abuse, Behavior Modification, Thought Reform => The Troubled Teen Industry => Topic started by: Anonymous on July 17, 2009, 02:39:35 PM
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I wanted to provide my story as another side of the coin... not everybody has a bad time in programs!!! :beat:
I grew up in a good, middle class, suburban family.. with very caring parents. Around 3rd grade, I started getting into more and more trouble. Of course.. it didn't look like much, however over time it became more and more serious. By 6th grade I was already smoking cigarettes regularly and had begun using pot, and eventually became addicted. I cried, night after night, and vowed never to do drugs again. That lasted 6 months, until I could no longer say no to my friends. Of course, it didn't start with my friends.. it started with me, always does. By 7th grade I was using other and worse drugs too, and I kept getting into more and more trouble. Looking back to 4th grade... that was when my running away from home and school began. The school was so sick of me causing trouble... I even made my teachers cry.
I was so full of anger and addictions. I think my parents had their suspicions... every time they had me drug tested, I found a new way to pass it using a variety methods. I ran away every time things didn't go my way... and my entire family was afraid of me at that point.
The very last time I ran away, the police had found me and brought me back to the police station and then turned me back over to my parents. That night was my last at home for a long, long time. My family had me escorted to the Program the next day. It really was the only way to keep the police... myself, and my family safe. At that point, I had no fear of any kind of authority. It was my parent's last hope, of getting their son to do it. To this day I thank God .. and them, for sending me away. If I had been able to escape.. and I tried, I would probably have ended my life soon after that.
Long story short... I made it through, and I'm doing great! I am in high school, and will be in the graduating class of 2011. I am playing JV Football... running Track, and I am very involved in my church youth group. I am now a person that others can look up to. I even spent 3 weeks in May working at one of the program schools. It was so wonderful to be there and a great way of showing my gratitude by giving back.
I believe without these programs, I would most certainly not be here right now. I wouldn't have gotten to accomplish all these things that my family and I never thought would happen. They have truly saved my life.
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1. What school did you attend?
2. Did the school utilize restraints?
3. When were you enrolled and when did you graduate?
4. What staff names do you remember?
5. What were consequences for rule violations?
6. Was an IEP [Individual Education Plan] written for you upon enrollemt?
7. Did staff evaluate your IEP with you on a weekly basis?
8. Were you required to participate in group therapy sessions?
9. Were you pressured/forced to discuss personal issues?
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This is another Ken Huey from CALO story. I asked him to respond to viewtopic.php?f=9&t=28000 (http://fornits.com/phpbb/viewtopic.php?f=9&t=28000) within the last hour.
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Thanks for sharing that with us, Guest. This can be very encouraging to other families to read a few of the success stories vs just the failures.
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By 6th grade I was already smoking cigarettes regularly and had begun using pot, and eventually became addicted. I cried, night after night, and vowed never to do drugs again.
:roflmao: :roflmao: Oh... the trolls, the trolls.... 2/10
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Thanks for sharing that with us, Guest. This can be very encouraging to other families to read a few of the success stories vs just the failures.
...and a 0/10 for TheWho's "follow up" post...
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By 6th grade I was already smoking cigarettes regularly and had begun using pot, and eventually became addicted. I cried, night after night, and vowed never to do drugs again.
:roflmao: :roflmao: Oh... the trolls, the trolls.... 2/10
It might be as funny as you think. But, if laughing at other people's problems gets you off, who am I to question that. In 2000, over 200,000 people entering a drug abuse recovery center said that marijuana was the primary drug that they abused.
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Remember when TheWho laughed at the story about the kid being duct taped and thrown into the ocean during a typhoon?
Remember how mad everyone got? Wanted him banned? So laughing at survivors stories isn’t unacceptable here on fornits it is only a matter of ones perspective.
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Guest, don't answer the questions.
1. What school did you attend?
If you answer this they will attempt to find any kid who make any remark suggesting the place wasn't like a resort. If they can't find that kid, they will make it up and fraudulentally make claims against a program they know little to nothing about.
2. Did the school utilize restraints?
In public schools, when kids get into a fight, security and often armed police officers restrain and break it up. When this happens in a program, suddenly it's abuse.
3. When were you enrolled and when did you graduate?
This is an atttempt to figure out your identity, so they can begin their online smear campaign. Don't fall for it.
4. What staff names do you remember?
They have a particular blood lust for those who worked at a program.
5. What were consequences for rule violations?
To the fornits extremist, any consequence, no matter how tame, is abusive. They are idealists who believe teens should be allowed to run free, commit crimes, do drugs until they overdose, or even kill themselves without interference. These people are the extreme of the extreme, and like most extremists, they believe they are helping teens, while really they are hurting them.
6. Was an IEP [Individual Education Plan] written for you upon enrollemt?
They want to post your IEP, and humiliate you. They will tell you if you admit to being abused, they will take it down. These are some seriously deranged people we are talking about.
7. Did staff evaluate your IEP with you on a weekly basis?
For some reason to these extremists, this is abuse.
8. Were you required to participate in group therapy sessions?
Group therapy is considered abuse, as well.
9. Were you pressured/forced to discuss personal issues?
Talking about your issues, is also considered abuse. They are trying to get you to admit to these completely benign and typical actions that take place in schools and facilities across the world. They will claim this as their evidence you were abused, even if you claim you weren't, and begin the harassment of the facility.
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What schools require the IEP to be evaluated every week? I though the meetings were held once or twice a year? Once a week for every student would require a lot of manpower figuring a couple of hours per meeting, parents and therapists and teachers having to fly out every week to meet with staff.
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What schools require the IEP to be evaluated every week? I though the meetings were held once or twice a year? Once a week for every student would require a lot of manpower figuring a couple of hours per meeting, parents and therapists and teachers having to fly out every week to meet with staff.
IEP also specifies short term goals and long term goals. So, why wouldn't you evaluate goals on a weekly basis? If you have well trained staff, devoted staff and quality management, then it would be a feasible task. Goals can be discussed during group therapy sessions, meetings with therapists and discussions with front line staff [group counselors & coaches in CALO's case}. There is no point in writing an IEP, if you're going to evaluate it once or twice per year. Parents pay allot of money for these schools, so they should getting their moneys worth. My previous statement is based from working with youth. Having said that, I am not advocating for programs in any way shape or form.
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What schools require the IEP to be evaluated every week? I though the meetings were held once or twice a year? Once a week for every student would require a lot of manpower figuring a couple of hours per meeting, parents and therapists and teachers having to fly out every week to meet with staff.
IEP also specifies short term goals and long term goals. So, why wouldn't you evaluate goals on a weekly basis? If you have well trained staff, devoted staff and quality management, then it would be a feasible task. Goals can be discussed during group therapy sessions, meetings with therapists and discussions with front line staff [group counselors & coaches in CALO's case}. There is no point in writing an IEP, if you're going to evaluate it once or twice per year. Parents pay allot of money for these schools, so they should getting their moneys worth. My previous statement is based from working with youth. Having said that, I am not advocating for programs in any way shape or form.
I see what you are saying. The IEP sets goals and the staff will track these on a daily or weekly basis. I know that many schools/programs will review these with the student on a daily or weekly basis depending on how critical the item is. My experience is that if the child is seeing a therapist then she/he will track the goals and discuss them on a weekly/semi weekly basis. The program staff will also be assisting in tracking the students progress also.
The IEP meetings themselves take place annually or semi-annually.
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This whole thread is thewho jerking your chain. Duh.
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What schools require the IEP to be evaluated every week? I though the meetings were held once or twice a year? Once a week for every student would require a lot of manpower figuring a couple of hours per meeting, parents and therapists and teachers having to fly out every week to meet with staff.
IEP also specifies short term goals and long term goals. So, why wouldn't you evaluate goals on a weekly basis? If you have well trained staff, devoted staff and quality management, then it would be a feasible task. Goals can be discussed during group therapy sessions, meetings with therapists and discussions with front line staff [group counselors & coaches in CALO's case}. There is no point in writing an IEP, if you're going to evaluate it once or twice per year. Parents pay allot of money for these schools, so they should getting their moneys worth. My previous statement is based from working with youth. Having said that, I am not advocating for programs in any way shape or form.
IEPs in our school district are reviewed usually twice a year. I get occasional reports showing "progress toward goals." A Functional Behavioral Analysis is a different deal - they are supposed to be very specific plans to deal with emotional and behavioral problems that interfere with school performance.
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What schools require the IEP to be evaluated every week? I though the meetings were held once or twice a year? Once a week for every student would require a lot of manpower figuring a couple of hours per meeting, parents and therapists and teachers having to fly out every week to meet with staff.
IEP also specifies short term goals and long term goals. So, why wouldn't you evaluate goals on a weekly basis? If you have well trained staff, devoted staff and quality management, then it would be a feasible task. Goals can be discussed during group therapy sessions, meetings with therapists and discussions with front line staff [group counselors & coaches in CALO's case}. There is no point in writing an IEP, if you're going to evaluate it once or twice per year. Parents pay allot of money for these schools, so they should getting their moneys worth. My previous statement is based from working with youth. Having said that, I am not advocating for programs in any way shape or form.
IEPs in our school district are reviewed usually twice a year. I get occasional reports showing "progress toward goals." A Functional Behavioral Analysis is a different deal - they are supposed to be very specific plans to deal with emotional and behavioral problems that interfere with school performance.
Same with our district. For behavioral problems which effect school performance we get a written report every day from the behavioral specialist and they record up to 12 data points (usually 1 or 2) each day to measure progress against a predetermined goal. But for more generic IEPs a childs performance is report twice a year unless the child is not moving forward with his or her plan then it would vary based on need.
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I cried, night after night, and vowed never to do drugs again.
In case you haven't figured it out yet, you're gay. I hope this saves you a couple more years of confusion.
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...up to 12 data points (usually 1 or 2) each day to measure progress...
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TheWho has nothing better to do.
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What schools require the IEP to be evaluated every week? I though the meetings were held once or twice a year? Once a week for every student would require a lot of manpower figuring a couple of hours per meeting, parents and therapists and teachers having to fly out every week to meet with staff.
my Highschool did
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Yes, Guest please DO answer these questions.
1. What school did you attend?
You sound like ever other recent grad I've heard.
2. Did the school utilize restraints?
Using unethical restraint methods IS abuse. If you weren't restrained for looking at someone the wrong way or saying the wrong thing at the wrong time, chances are you saw this happen to someone else.
3. When were you enrolled and when did you graduate?
4. What staff names do you remember?
Some of them are here apologizing for abusing those in their care.
5. What were consequences for rule violations?
Some very minor violations have horrible consequences.
6. Was an IEP [Individual Education Plan] written for you upon enrollemt?
They ask this to determine the level of professionalism of a program and whether or not the educational needs of the client is being addressed.
7. Did staff evaluate your IEP with you on a weekly basis?
Most programs don't include the client in the treatment plan, again it's back to the level of professionalism or lack thereof.
8. Were you required to participate in group therapy sessions?
Group therapy is a classic strategy of programs to humiliate and break down a client into submission.
9. Were you pressured/forced to discuss personal issues?
Another classic strategy of programs to humiliate and break down clients.
Aside from when they started/graduated and looking for personal info on the staff there is nothing wrong with those questions.
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I don't think you should use the word 'client', it isn't very accurate. 'Prisoner' would be a better term, and instead of the term program I'd advise using the term 'gulag' or 'concentration camp'.
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1.What Gulag were you kidnapped, dragged off to and held prisoner in?
2. Did the gulag place you in irons for the entire incarceration period? Describe your time in the dungeon and the equipment they used?
3. When were you Kidnapped and how long did your captures keep you?
4. Do you remember any names of the guards, visible scars accents or mannerisms?
5. How were you abused and how deep are your scars?
6. Was an IEP [Individual Education Plan] written, behind your back, for you upon incarceration in the concentration camp?
7. Did guards abuse you by forcing you to listen to your evaluation of your IEP with you on a weekly basis? Or were you abused by not having you IEP evaluated?
8. Did your abuse include being required to participate in group therapy sessions with other inmates? Or were you abused by being excluded from these meetings and isolated?
9. Were you abused by being threatened with physical harm, beaten, pressured/forced to discuss personal issues? or were you abused by being ignored by the group?
10. What type of Ransom was demanded? Was this paid by your family or another person?
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I cried, night after night, and vowed never to do drugs again.
In case you haven't figured it out yet, you're gay. I hope this saves you a couple more years of confusion.
:rofl: :rofl:
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If you are a parent calling someone gay, shows what type of a parent you are, may you be restrained one day against your will, may someone hold you down and squeeze ever so hard, may your face be held in the dirt that you lay under, goes to show you how many parents could care less about their kids and how those places are used for parents to just dump their kids off at, so they can go on with their pathetic lives. :fuckoff:
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If you are a parent calling someone gay, shows what type of a parent you are, may you be restrained one day against your will, may someone hold you down and squeeze ever so hard, may your face be held in the dirt that you lay under, goes to show you how many parents could care less about their kids and how those places are used for parents to just dump their kids off at, so they can go on with their pathetic lives. :fuckoff:
Good point
...... and if you are a kid I hope you grow up someday and have a child who is struggling with similar issues. I hope your kid disrespects you, leaves needles all over the place so that your other kids are constantly being pricked by them and being exposed to all kinds of diseases. I further hope your kid drops out of school and sits home all day trashing your house while you work and tells you to fuck off when you get home. You would be a hypocrite if you admitted that your kid needed help or needed to place the kid in any type of program so you suck it up and take the abuse from your own child , in your own home, while the siblings become permanently damaged by their sisters/brothers abuse of the HIV infested household. Your other children become so damaged by the environment that they drop out of school too and your neighbors generate a petition to have you evicted and DSS finally swoops in and removes your kids. You are left alone as a failed parent who was so stubborn that you didnt get help for your child that you lost them all, was let go from your job because you spent too much time trying to cover up for your families failings and finally evicted from your drug infested house. You will spend the rest of you life enraged thinking that if you only listened to the professionals advice instead of those fucking idiots on fornits who told you all programs are ineffective and you should just let your kids ride it out and everything will be fine.
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Being that I am a grandmother, and being put through such hell, kept me from allowing anything like that to happen to my kid, you respond because you are guilty for not being there for your child and allowing someone else to step in , for one I bet your child's problems came from that sad environment you gave him or her, your attitude for one sucks, so I am sure you are a great cause of your child's problems. To trust anyone with your kids is really like playing Russian roulette, to force a soul to be something they are not is like making a painter paint in black when he has only a yellow paint to work with, your time later will come when your child has had time to become 100 percent themselves, lets see how your future goes when that soul just wants to be himself again, like I said before I hope you have to go through what I did, this way then you would shut the fu_____ up about what a stupid mistake you made. Forcing does not mean that someone is changed and it certainly does not make them better, it covers them is all, but you will have to find that out on own, see one day we all leave our parents, hopefully anyways, and we become our own self, and what ever one had to go through is brought back over and over again, I bet there is so much going on in that child's soul, and you know nothing at all about that, and never will. I pray your child has a healthy happy life, as far as parents like you who want to form and control a soul, screw you, you are not worth wasting good finger tips to. Freedom is for everyone, control has to stop.
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Question, why did you have so many kids if you could not even take care of one???? Simple Question, people who pop out kids and do not even have a home, because a home is not an apartment, you are a classic case of a women that struggled on own, and blames everyone else is all, look deep within, it sounds like you abused your own as well, but I am sure you would never admit that.Classic case of another women that had too many kids and was tired is all.Hope you look deep within your own problems before you point fingers at kids who did not ask to be brought into your world. You being evicted for not paying rent is not your kids fault.
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If you are a parent calling someone gay, shows what type of a parent you are, may you be restrained one day against your will, may someone hold you down and squeeze ever so hard, may your face be held in the dirt that you lay under, goes to show you how many parents could care less about their kids and how those places are used for parents to just dump their kids off at, so they can go on with their pathetic lives. :fuckoff:
Good point
...... and if you are a kid I hope you grow up someday and have a child who is struggling with similar issues. I hope your kid disrespects you, leaves needles all over the place so that your other kids are constantly being pricked by them and being exposed to all kinds of diseases. I further hope your kid drops out of school and sits home all day trashing your house while you work and tells you to fuck off when you get home. You would be a hypocrite if you admitted that your kid needed help or needed to place the kid in any type of program so you suck it up and take the abuse from your own child , in your own home, while the siblings become permanently damaged by their sisters/brothers abuse of the HIV infested household. Your other children become so damaged by the environment that they drop out of school too and your neighbors generate a petition to have you evicted and DSS finally swoops in and removes your kids. You are left alone as a failed parent who was so stubborn that you didnt get help for your child that you lost them all, was let go from your job because you spent too much time trying to cover up for your families failings and finally evicted from your drug infested house. You will spend the rest of you life enraged thinking that if you only listened to the professionals advice instead of those fucking idiots on fornits who told you all programs are ineffective and you should just let your kids ride it out and everything will be fine.
Who, why would you wish this on anyone or their child? Can't you find a mature way to express yourself? I have no idea why you wish harm on families, unless, of course, you hope to steer them to STICC where you can get greased behind the scenes by the programs you refer to...
You would only wish this on someone if it 'adds value' to your bank account I think.
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Who, why would you wish this on anyone or their child?
I wrote that, not who. You thought it bad that I may wish that a kid experience what a parent may go through. Why didn’t you comment on the first post where the poster wished a parent to have to experience being restrained? And then go on to question their judgement?
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Excuse me but I am the one who posted how you should experience what your child went through not who, me did, GRANDMA, so take that attitude and remark it this way, I have no respect for women like yourself who act out their anger against their kids and lock them away, and blame them for everything wrong in their own life, maybe if you had a positive attitude towards your children things would be better all around, seems by showing your true colors about the way you feel about your kids, is what you should worry about, your child may walk out of your life one day, then lets see how you do things then, get over yourself, try being a parent for a change, try being a loving parent, that truly works.( also if it was that bad you should have kids taken from you)
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HOMOSEXUALITY IS SIN
Lev 18:22 You must not have sexual intercourse with a male as one has sexual intercourse with a woman; it is a detestable act.
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1Sa 18:1 And it came to pass, when he had made an end of speaking unto Saul, that the soul of Jonathan was knit with the soul of David, and Jonathan loved him as his own soul.
1Sa 18:2 And Saul took him that day, and would let him go no more home to his father's house.
1Sa 18:3 Then Jonathan and David made a covenant, because he loved him as his own soul.
1Sa 18:4 And Jonathan stripped himself of the robe that [was] upon him, and gave it to David, and his garments, even to his sword, and to his bow, and to his girdle.
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1Sa 18:1 And it came to pass, when he had made an end of speaking unto Saul, that the soul of Jonathan was knit with the soul of David, and Jonathan loved him as his own soul.
1Sa 18:2 And Saul took him that day, and would let him go no more home to his father's house.
1Sa 18:3 Then Jonathan and David made a covenant, because he loved him as his own soul.
1Sa 18:4 And Jonathan stripped himself of the robe that [was] upon him, and gave it to David, and his garments, even to his sword, and to his bow, and to his girdle.
I actually support the homos right to marry each other if they desire, but do you really think these quotes somehow endorse gay sex? I wouldn't argue that the bible literally supports gay sex if I were you, because it's a losing argument. Better that you dismiss bible literalism outright as the fairy tail that it is than engage in a battle of scripture quoting.
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1Sa 18:1 And it came to pass, when he had made an end of speaking unto Saul, that the soul of Jonathan was knit with the soul of David, and Jonathan loved him as his own soul.
1Sa 18:2 And Saul took him that day, and would let him go no more home to his father's house.
1Sa 18:3 Then Jonathan and David made a covenant, because he loved him as his own soul.
1Sa 18:4 And Jonathan stripped himself of the robe that [was] upon him, and gave it to David, and his garments, even to his sword, and to his bow, and to his girdle.
I actually support the homos right to marry each other if they desire, but do you really think these quotes somehow endorse gay sex? I wouldn't argue that the bible literally supports gay sex if I were you, because it's a losing argument. Better that you dismiss bible literalism outright as the fairy tail that it is than engage in a battle of scripture quoting.
No I dont, just making the point that the bible doesnt address it either way. It doesnt specifically address programs either, but we all have our beliefs
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My all-powerful imaginary friends can beat up your all-powerful imaginary friends.
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Well, I suppose if I had to be honest I'd have to concede that a program saved my life. But the program I'm talking about is called AA. I was drinking so much I almost lost my liver at the ripe age of 39. God must have a plan for me though because I met my sponsor while puking on the side of the road and from that day on I've been sober. I would be dead if not for AA and it's miracle workers, and to be honest I really believe wholeheartedly my sponsor is my true guardian angel, in this life and the next. It's hard for me to explain how grateful I am to AA for saving my life. With that said, I can understand why someone who attributes an organization to saving their life is going to stand up for their belief that it helps people. I do the same for AA, and have now been sober long enough to be a sponsor. Does anybody here have problem with drinking or drugs and want a sponsor?
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I think walking in at AA on own at a ripe age of????? And me being tied up and kidnapped at the age of 13 shows 2 different stories, most people at the age you were, were alcoholics like Art Barker, I was 13 and never did drugs nor drank, you were already at your worst and it did not take you out of school nor did it remove you from your home, starve you, keep you from your family, continuously having people screaming at you all day and night long for 12 hours or more daily, dehydrate you no one was given anything but some koolaid crap, you were lucky to get to use bathroom without shitting or pissing pants first , had to listen to crying and screaming from others all day and night, in other words you had a choice to walk in and ask for help, I did not,and not to mention I needed no help was only there because I was used for bait to get my brother and sister in, not to mention that I was just a kid, and never even did drugs nor got in trouble, I was used as bait to get my sister and brother in there, ( Do you get what I am saying now?)What I am trying to say is forceful, like what they did to me, and you walking in and out going home etc... on own being able to tell truth about anything was what you got, me I got beaten, yelled at, given cigarettes at the ripe age of 13, was forced to eat bologna when I was a vegetarian, I was so tiny back then that losing weight was easy on what I was given as far as nourishment,( I think I may have been a whole 65 pounds 70 if lucky ) I was also left to sit all day long in a hard metal chair, I was kept in some old blimp hanger, my mother was lied to, and this crap caused my parents to eventually split, I was forced to lie and say I did drugs so I could go home, which I was still left away from for some time after,( even though they said I could go home if I just said I did drugs) I never even knew what drugs were till I ended up in that place, I saw many people daily threaten with their lives, I watched people taken out and never brought back, going to aa because you are some lonely ass drunk is way different then being forced at the age of 13, and going through what I went through, so lets cut the crap. Oh lets not forget to mention that they kept me from my sister and brother who were also brought in there, and they constantly would tell me how much they hated and wanted nothing to do with me,Try telling that to a young child that was always happy and smiling around her brother and sister, then all of a sudden they are standing you up in front of lord remembers how many people, only to find out years later that the assholes standing you up screaming are nothing more then ex convicts, alcoholics, druggies, heroin using prostitutes, every type of low life including Art Barker himself the worthless comedian drunk that finished a program at aa, other wise his ass would have been in jail where he rightfully belongs.Those are not the type of people you want around a child, if my parents knew that some low life drunk comedian was getting free hand outs funds being paid to torment their kids, I know they would not have had us there. No parent was allowed to communicate with their child alone,( that also met no phone calls even when I got really ill there and you were away from them for a long time) in a strangers home for doing nothing wrong. If anyone thinks it is okay to send a kid any where at that age take them out of school of all places and know nothing behind the walls where you are just dumping your kids to be abused at the hands of criminals that were court ordered from courts because that's what you are putting your kids with when you do this,if you think for a moment that is safe, trust me its not, its a bad experiment gone bad is all, sorry to be so bold. Protect your kids, because many get badly beaten and raped, and you will never know about it.
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Leviticus was as big a self hating closet case as most of those who troll are.
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Are you saying you are a troll? :feedtrolls: :moon: :roflmao:
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I think walking in at AA on own at a ripe age of????? And me being tied up and kidnapped at the age of 13 shows 2 different stories, most people at the age you were, were alcoholics like Art Barker, I was 13 and never did drugs nor drank, you were already at your worst and it did not take you out of school nor did it remove you from your home, starve you, keep you from your family, continuously having people screaming at you all day and night long for 12 hours or more daily, dehydrate you no one was given anything but some koolaid crap, you were lucky to get to use bathroom without shitting or pissing pants first , had to listen to crying and screaming........
Well, I suppose if I had to be honest I'd have to concede that a program saved my life. But the program I'm talking about is called AA. I was drinking so much I almost lost my liver at the ripe age of 39. God must have a plan for me though because I met my sponsor while puking on the side of the road and from that day on I've been sober. I would be dead if not for AA and it's miracle workers, and to be honest I really believe wholeheartedly my sponsor is my true guardian angel, in this life and the next. It's hard for me to explain how grateful I am to AA for saving my life. With that said, I can understand why someone who attributes an organization to saving their life is going to stand up for their belief that it helps people. I do the same for AA, and have now been sober long enough to be a sponsor. Does anybody here have problem with drinking or drugs and want a sponsor?
It is all about perspective and your personal experiences. At one end of the spectrum you have a 13 year old kid who was kidnapped, handcuffed, beaten abused and raped and at the other we have an older person who got a sponsor for the first time went to AA and never drank again. But there are a lot of people in-between. The 13 year old doesn’t represent the experience of a typical program and the 39 year old doesn’t represent the typical success of AA.
I would expect a person who spent years caring for kids in a child hospice program to view hospitals or present medicine as very unsuccessful. The same with kids who were abused in a program or never fully applied themselves. Those who deliver babies probably think of hospitals as the greatest place on earth!! Those kids who are happy and successful post program are going to praise the place they were in.
It is important to understand the source and to know there are going to be people at both ends of the spectrum who don’t necessarily see eye to eye and not easily relate to each others experiences. We see this play out many times on fornits.
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I am talking about my life not my eye, anyone at all and any program at all should be shut down ,and was, for abusing children, and children should not be mixed in with with ex cons, druggies as you all call them, alcoholics, prostitutes heroin using abusers, that were court ordered by the courts, who you all kidding here, would you stick your kids in with that type, I sure shit would not. Art Barker should be shot and beheaded for the shit he thinks he got away with.If you compare an honest body count on who this experiment helped over who it did not help, the numbers would sky rocket towards the non helped souls , aa created a monster is all, that is where that bastard Art Barker got his sick ideas on how to open up a place and make money off of souls who were either court ordered or forced to be there, and aa is mostly court ordered as well. so not likely that any will maintain being clean, ( in other words I do not think that one drunk soul is worth harming any child over)however I am still clean after 49 years of my life, and not because some messed up soul had me in a cult. If money was not involved then known of these places would be opened, pretty sad that you would have to go through what I did to understand where I am coming from. I would not wish that on anyone, except the staff and the asshole who used the system to sponge off of others, FART BARKER himself. Plenty of hate outside those walls that are allowed to abuse children, to add more hate in this world is not needed. Experience the experience yourself, then speak out. Because at either end it is wrong to punish kids for doing nothing wrong. Art Barker, Libby,Shelly, John underwood, all you staff idiots, your time will come, and trust me pay back is a bitch. I should have opened my mouth years ago, about what went on in that place, horrible to have to even think about it now, to go through it physically was really a nightmare. A child' should be a child for as long as possible, they should never experience an adults nightmare and I was in their nightmare, they used me to get out of jail free is all.
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What is the age at aa???? how old are the souls in that place, are they 13???? I did not think so.
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What is the age at aa???? how old are the souls in that place, are they 13???? I did not think so.
AA varies from very young to very old. Programs focus mostly on kids in their teen years. Each program has specific age groups that they accept.
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The average age of a AA member is 47, most are around that age, and that is according to survey.
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The average age of a AA member is 47, most are around that age, and that is according to survey.
That is another reason why programs are more suitable for Teens, not AA.
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what is suitable i a parents LOVE!
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In 2000, over 200,000 people entering a drug abuse recovery center said that marijuana was the primary drug that they abused.
question this:
A. "primary drug": marijuana is everyone's primary drug. it's not necessarily the drug that got them into rehab.
(as a side note, dont bring in the gateway drug theory here. most drug addicts tried marijuana, but not everyone who tried marijuana is a drug addict. also, most drug addicts start with other drugs before marijuana, such as prescription or otc meds, alcohol, tobacco, and sugar yet those drugs are not mentioned because there is no media outcry or goverment morality campaign against those drugs.
B. People convicted of drug offenses are more often than not given the opprotunity for treatment instead prison. Addict or not, if you get busted for smoking your hourly/daily/weekly/monthly/yearly doobie in the wrong state and are convicted, you sure as hell are going to choose rehab over jail. In fact, in some states and counties regardless of if you are an addict or alchoholic or not, if you commit a drug offense and tell the judge you are an addict, you will most likely receive a lighter sentence and/or the opportunity for rehabilitation. The majority of people who are reported statistically to have entered rehab for marijuana are in fact there because they were forced to and had to play along in order to save themselves from prison, not because they were actually addicts.
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take this scenario for example: you are weekly pot smoker (every friday after a long week you have a doobie to unwind). on special occasions, you may delve into harder drugs: maybe you enjoy an annual line of coke or a few vicodins on new years. by no means an addict, you use drugs recreationally and responsibly and do not abuse them. this is not unusual. the majority of people who use drugs do so in this manner.
You are busted smoking doobie on the beach on new years in florida. such an offense carries a 1 year and $1,000 fine sentence, along with up to 2 years driver's license suspension. upon a search of your person/vehicle, the officer finds 1/8th of a gram of cocaine - just enough for two or three small lines. That carries a 5 year and $5,000 fine sentence. the prosecutor has an solid case against you due to your blabbering upon getting busted (as it really is 99% of the time). If you plead not guilty, you sure as hell are going to get the full sentence. The prosecutor cuts you a deal - in addition to some minimal cooperation and a guilty plea, you will be given 5 years probation, 30 days inpatient rehab, and 200 hours of community service. You plead guilty . Upon entering rehab, they ask you, what's your primary drug of choice? Marijuana. are you a marijuana addict? no. you were just in the wrong place at the wrong time.
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I agree, drug of choice doesnt mean you are an addict. Hell I would have been classified an addict 1,000 times over when I was in highschool. I am just lucky that I wasnt caught... well I was several times but they just conficated the stuff and sent you home in those days.
So when a program decides to accept court ordered kids they are really not a threat to the rest of the kids that are there. There is this misconception that court ordered kids are a danger of hurting the other kids. Seems it could be the other way around in mostcases.
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The prosecutor cuts you a deal - in addition to some minimal cooperation and a guilty plea, you will be given 5 years probation, 30 days inpatient rehab, and 200 hours of community service.
If you are under 18 they sometimes give you the option of entering a long-term program (~18 month, e.g aspen/waasps/HLA/cedu etc) of your parent's choice [paid for by parents] instead of all of the above, sometimes with a clean record upon completion.