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Treatment Abuse, Behavior Modification, Thought Reform => The Troubled Teen Industry => Topic started by: Anonymous on June 19, 2009, 12:30:14 AM
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Many who visit this site have expressed their disgust and concern about posting children's names and personal information on the forum (I'm referring to the list of CALO kids.) IMHO this would also apply to listing the names, addresses and phone numbers of CALO parents.
I might suggest contacting the site owner, GInger McNulty, personally in order to discuss those concerns and to give voice to your feelings. As best as I can tell, here are her phone numbers: 724.797.2672 and 724.269.7172.
Correct me if I'm wrong somebody, but her address would be: 459 S Otter St, Mercer, PA 16137-1511 - I am sure she would welcome correspondence, if she can't be reached by phone. (If you want to visit, however, you should probably make an appointment.)
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you are hilarious
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Hello and welcome to Things That Cannot Possibly Work! On this episode, we'll discover why attempting to engage in a personal-information war against an anarchist webmaster and a loose cabal of mostly-anonymous vengeance afficionados cannot possibly work, and will become very counterproductive very quickly. Stay tuned for more!
you are hilarious
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Many who visit this site have expressed their disgust and concern about posting children's names and personal information on the forum (I'm referring to the list of CALO kids.) IMHO this would also apply to listing the names, addresses and phone numbers of CALO parents.
I might suggest contacting the site owner, GInger McNulty, personally in order to discuss those concerns and to give voice to your feelings. As best as I can tell, here are her phone numbers: 724.797.2672 and 724.269.7172.
Correct me if I'm wrong somebody, but her address would be: 459 S Otter St, Mercer, PA 16137-1511 - I am sure she would welcome correspondence, if she can't be reached by phone. (If you want to visit, however, you should probably make an appointment.
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Many who visit this site have expressed their disgust and concern about posting children's names and personal information on the forum (I'm referring to the list of CALO kids.) IMHO this would also apply to listing the names, addresses and phone numbers of CALO parents.
I might suggest contacting the site owner, GInger McNulty, personally in order to discuss those concerns and to give voice to your feelings. As best as I can tell, here are her phone numbers: 724.797.2672 and 724.269.7172.
Correct me if I'm wrong somebody, but her address would be: 459 S Otter St, Mercer, PA 16137-1511 - I am sure she would welcome correspondence, if she can't be reached by phone. (If you want to visit, however, you should probably make an appointment.)
I'm sure Ginger would be happy to explain the rules she has made. At first I thought there was little sense to the extreme, but I think if you hear her out you might change your mind.
Let's flip the tables here. What If I said that what you were doing was a veiled threat and thus somehow illegal? Would you feel offended? Do you feel I have a right to remove your words without you having your due process? No. It's not right. Where and how does one draw the line before fear of "illegal" overcomes and turns into "anything that could possibly offend somebody" (everything).
PS: the above guest is incorrect: she is libertarian, more or less, and not an anarchist. There must be rules. There must be a system. Fornits is very much built on and run by rules. Rule of law that does not change, like a constitution. If it was anarchy, moderators would delete posts at will and control the dialogue, but that's not the case.
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Yes, that's my number but please don't blow it up till after 7P or on the weekend. That's not my address, though.
And anon poster is mostly right. This policy has been in place for a long time and with good reason. I'm not about to change it. If I did intervene on behalf of one or another party in these cases then I would be responsible to intervene on behalf of others in similar situations. If that were the case this would no longer be an open, unmoderated forum (and I think there's a definite need for at least one on this topic on this planet) and I'd have to draw a lot more money to run this thing and staff it with people to keep a vigilant eye on what would be our new liability.
No spanks, Spanky!
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Many who visit this site have expressed their disgust and concern about posting children's names and personal information on the forum (I'm referring to the list of CALO kids.) IMHO this would also apply to listing the names, addresses and phone numbers of CALO parents.
I might suggest contacting the site owner, GInger McNulty, personally in order to discuss those concerns and to give voice to your feelings. As best as I can tell, here are her phone numbers: 724.797.2672 and 724.269.7172.
Correct me if I'm wrong somebody, but her address would be: 459 S Otter St, Mercer, PA 16137-1511 - I am sure she would welcome correspondence, if she can't be reached by phone. (If you want to visit, however, you should probably make an appointment.)
You guys are rattled by your names getting posted, Ginger is not. Why? You guys are ASHAMED of being connected to what you do. Ginger is not
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Many who visit this site have expressed their disgust and concern about posting children's names and personal information on the forum (I'm referring to the list of CALO kids.) IMHO this would also apply to listing the names, addresses and phone numbers of CALO parents.
I might suggest contacting the site owner, GInger McNulty, personally in order to discuss those concerns and to give voice to your feelings. As best as I can tell, here are her phone numbers: 724.797.2672 and 724.269.7172.
Correct me if I'm wrong somebody, but her address would be: 459 S Otter St, Mercer, PA 16137-1511 - I am sure she would welcome correspondence, if she can't be reached by phone. (If you want to visit, however, you should probably make an appointment.)
You guys are rattled by your names getting posted, Ginger is not. Why? You guys are ASHAMED of being connected to what you do. Ginger is not
Spot fucking on. Dead bang.
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Many who visit this site have expressed their disgust and concern about posting children's names and personal information on the forum (I'm referring to the list of CALO kids.) IMHO this would also apply to listing the names, addresses and phone numbers of CALO parents.
I have long been opposed to (and been very vocal about in the past) posting anyones personal information and photos on the web and feel that children are the most vulnerable when exploited in this fashion. I realize that this is an open forum and needs to be in order to serve those who are posting and uphold freedom of speech etc. (and I do not advocate for deletion of posts of any kind) but what is often troubling is the ongoing support for exploiting children as a response to their disdain of programs by such posters as Dysfunction Junction and various guests. This, to me, seems to be as dangerous and reckless as the programs you claim to be fighting against.
If we can just set an example or as a minimum discourage the use of children in the battle against programs here on fornits it would be a big step but it would take the support of some of the more frequent posters to move towards the type of culture I speak of which would put the safety of children and or their families ahead of any agenda.
My two scents.
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Many who visit this site have expressed their disgust and concern about posting children's names and personal information on the forum (I'm referring to the list of CALO kids.) IMHO this would also apply to listing the names, addresses and phone numbers of CALO parents.
I have long been opposed to (and been very vocal about in the past) posting anyones personal information and photos on the web and feel that children are the most vulnerable when exploited in this fashion. I realize that this is an open forum and needs to be in order to serve those who are posting and uphold freedom of speech etc. (and I do not advocate for deletion of posts of any kind) but what is often troubling is the ongoing support for exploiting children as a response to their disdain of programs by such posters as Dysfunction Junction and various guests. This, to me, seems to be as dangerous and reckless as the programs you claim to be fighting against.
If we can just set an example or as a minimum discourage the use of children in the battle against programs here on fornits it would be a big step but it would take the support of some of the more frequent posters to move towards the type of culture I speak of which would put the safety of children and or their families ahead of any agenda.
My two scents.
LOL. What is interesting to me about your post is that DJ is a psych professional experienced at dealing with "troubled youth," and who yet advocates for their basic rights and dignity as human beings.
You, on the other hand, are a program parent who spends all of his time posting thousands of posts ridiculing kids when the abuse they have suffered is too extreme for you ......yet you claim to be on the higher ground when it comes to the "exploitation of kids" issue.
Gimmeee a fucking break!
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LOL. What is interesting to me about your post is that DJ is a psych professional experienced at dealing with "troubled youth," and who yet advocates for their basic rights and dignity as human beings.
I actually doubt that. If he were a professional he would be agreeing with the OP in trying to protect people and kids instead of advocating exploiting them here on fornits.
Speak to a few professionals and ask their opinion on posting kids names and photos on the web and after you hear their answer read DJ's post and decide for yourself if you believe he is a professional in this area. Any professional worth their degree would be all over this instead of throwing gas on the fire.
You decide.
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Fornits loves itself some 'reformed former program staff'... kind of like kids being abused at home telling you how great their dad is being, he only hits me three times a week. The 'survivors' who post here are pathetic. Everyone who posts here is beyond description, let's just say pathetic times a million.
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Many who visit this site have expressed their disgust and concern about posting children's names and personal information on the forum (I'm referring to the list of CALO kids.) IMHO this would also apply to listing the names, addresses and phone numbers of CALO parents.
I might suggest contacting the site owner, GInger McNulty, personally in order to discuss those concerns and to give voice to your feelings. As best as I can tell, here are her phone numbers: 724.797.2672 and 724.269.7172. Correct me if I'm wrong somebody, but her address would be: 459 S Otter St, Mercer, PA 16137-1511 - I am sure she would welcome correspondence, if she can't be reached by phone. (If you want to visit, however, you should probably make an appointment.
The real question is, "Why is CALO unable to keep children's personal files confidential?" Therein lies a strong argument there was a breach of security amongst staff at CALO. Their failure(s) to manage confidential information warrants serious concerns amongst parents. In addition to, parents should seriously consider withdrawing their children in lieu of this problem.
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LOL. What is interesting to me about your post is that DJ is a psych professional experienced at dealing with "troubled youth," and who yet advocates for their basic rights and dignity as human beings.
I actually doubt that. If he were a professional he would be agreeing with the OP in trying to protect people and kids instead of advocating exploiting them here on fornits.
Speak to a few professionals and ask their opinion on posting kids names and photos on the web and after you hear their answer read DJ's post and decide for yourself if you believe he is a professional in this area. Any professional worth their degree would be all over this instead of throwing gas on the fire.
You decide.
I never weighed in on the appropriateness of posting kids' names on the internet. I support "well proxied" in his/her fighting back against people who have done him/her harm. And s/he does it with vigor. Ultimately, as I stated before, it's CALO's fault for putting patient data in unsecured areas. That's the plain and simple fact of the matter. CALO can't create monsters and then be upset when they run amok.
And, the other poster is correct. I was a therapist (BA- Psy, BA - Soc, MSW) for many years specializing in juvenile delinquency and early childhood development and worked at Hidden Lake Academy and Daytop, so I have a pretty good idea of how these places harm children, IMHO.
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One other point I'd like to make is that there should be no expectation of privacy for child abusers (i.e. CALO staff and the parents of the children detained at CALO). Personally, I'd go after the names of the staff and parents and make them as public as possible, but I'd leave the kids out of it. But I wouldn't deign to assign my personal opinions to "well-proxied," who can and should do whatever s/he feels is right.
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One other point I'd like to make is that there should be no expectation of privacy for child abusers (i.e. CALO staff and the parents of the children detained at CALO). Personally, I'd go after the names of the staff and parents and make them as public as possible, but I'd leave the kids out of it. But I wouldn't deign to assign my personal opinions to "well-proxied," who can and should do whatever s/he feels is right.
So, Dysfunction Junction, being a child abuser.. errrr exstaff yourself. You should do the right thing and post your picture, address and make your personal information as public as possible and have no expectation of privacy as you are recommending for others. Or maybe there is such a thing as good staff and bad staff members?
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One other point I'd like to make is that there should be no expectation of privacy for child abusers (i.e. CALO staff and the parents of the children detained at CALO). Personally, I'd go after the names of the staff and parents and make them as public as possible, but I'd leave the kids out of it. But I wouldn't deign to assign my personal opinions to "well-proxied," who can and should do whatever s/he feels is right.
So, Dysfunction Junction, being a child abuser.. errrr exstaff yourself. You should do the right thing and post your picture, address and make your personal information as public as possible and have no expectation of privacy as you are recommending for others. Or maybe there is such a thing as good staff and bad staff members?
I left HLA as soon as I saw which way the wind blew. Didn't take long to see what that place was all about. Daytop was based on the same abusive model and I left there quickly as well. In both cases I provided everything I knew to the proper authorities for their follow-up and spoke out regularly about both places. So I'm not sure I get your point. Good staff from these shitpits are the ones who walk away and blow the whistle. If you want to argue the merits of CALO or the rules of this forum, I'll be happy to clean your clock, but as far as attacking me, that's not making you look any better.
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i left HLA as soon as I saw which way the wind blew. Didn't take long to see what that place was all about. Daytop was based on the same abusive model and I left there quickly as well. In both cases I provided everything I knew to the proper authorities for their follow-up and spoke out regularly about both places. So I'm not sure I get your point. Good staff from these shitpits are the ones who walk away and blow the whistle. If you want to argue the merits of CALO or the rules of this forum, I'll be happy to clean your clock, but as far as attacking me, that's not making you look any better.
So since you left, at some point, you don’t consider yourself a child molester. Interesting way to separate yourself. So theoretically all the staff in all the programs can potentially be just as good as you consider yourself to be because they may potentially leave at some point in disgust. It just may take some longer than others.
So again why do you want to smear these peoples good names call them all child abusers and expose them and deny them any privacy? Why not expose yourself first? They are no better or worse then you.
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So since you left, at some point, you don’t consider yourself a child molester. Interesting way to separate yourself. So theoretically all the staff in all the programs can potentially be just as good as you consider yourself to be because they may potentially leave at some point in disgust. It just may take some longer than others.
So again why do you want to smear these peoples good names call them all child abusers and expose them and deny them any privacy? Why not expose yourself first? They are no better or worse then you.
I know you were nipping at the heels of Dysfunction Junction, Who. But, I’ll be your huckleberry…it’s called redemption. That is something that happens when strong p-e-o-p-l-e overcome, learn, and care enough to compassionately share the insights of their experiences.
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i left HLA as soon as I saw which way the wind blew. Didn't take long to see what that place was all about. Daytop was based on the same abusive model and I left there quickly as well. In both cases I provided everything I knew to the proper authorities for their follow-up and spoke out regularly about both places. So I'm not sure I get your point. Good staff from these shitpits are the ones who walk away and blow the whistle. If you want to argue the merits of CALO or the rules of this forum, I'll be happy to clean your clock, but as far as attacking me, that's not making you look any better.
So since you left, at some point, you don’t consider yourself a child molester. Interesting way to separate yourself. So theoretically all the staff in all the programs can potentially be just as good as you consider yourself to be because they may potentially leave at some point in disgust. It just may take some longer than others.
So again why do you want to smear these peoples good names call them all child abusers and expose them and deny them any privacy? Why not expose yourself first? They are no better or worse then you.
I think innocently entering an institution that ordered staff to molest children, refusing to participate in child molestation, and turning the molesters over to the authorities is a fair reason to consider yourself "separate" from the molesters.
DJ, an actually doctor, saying *you* are torturing, imprisoning, and damaging people seems to really get to you. Sorry, YOU are, in fact a lot "worse" than DJ.
As a general principle, the longer you keep silent about torture, the longer you participate in torture, the less vociferously you speak out against it, the more of a culpable and repulsive torturer you are.
Most of us who post here are victims of Change Academy Lake Ozark Whatever's particular brand of abduction, imprisonment without due process, brainwash, dominate, terrorize and torture "therapy." If you feel DJ's "tainted," then by all means, take OUR word for it: you are an evil person doing evils things, and you deserve to spend the rest of your life in a box without light, too small to stand up in, long past the point you feel "vulnerable" and "humble."
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So since you left, at some point, you don’t consider yourself a child molester. Interesting way to separate yourself. So theoretically all the staff in all the programs can potentially be just as good as you consider yourself to be because they may potentially leave at some point in disgust. It just may take some longer than others.
So again why do you want to smear these peoples good names call them all child abusers and expose them and deny them any privacy? Why not expose yourself first? They are no better or worse then you.
I know you were nipping at the heels of Dysfunction Junction, Who. But, I’ll be your huckleberry…it’s called redemption. That is something that happens when strong p-e-o-p-l-e overcome, learn, and care enough to compassionately share the insights of their experiences.
That's a cop-out if I ever heard one!
I take Who's point that it is easy to cast blame onto others and distance ourselves from the very same actions that we might have taken.
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i left HLA as soon as I saw which way the wind blew. Didn't take long to see what that place was all about. Daytop was based on the same abusive model and I left there quickly as well. In both cases I provided everything I knew to the proper authorities for their follow-up and spoke out regularly about both places. So I'm not sure I get your point. Good staff from these shitpits are the ones who walk away and blow the whistle. If you want to argue the merits of CALO or the rules of this forum, I'll be happy to clean your clock, but as far as attacking me, that's not making you look any better.
So since you left, at some point, you don’t consider yourself a child molester. Interesting way to separate yourself. So theoretically all the staff in all the programs can potentially be just as good as you consider yourself to be because they may potentially leave at some point in disgust. It just may take some longer than others.
So again why do you want to smear these peoples good names call them all child abusers and expose them and deny them any privacy? Why not expose yourself first? They are no better or worse then you.
I think innocently entering an institution that ordered staff to molest children, refusing to participate in child molestation, and turning the molesters over to the authorities is a fair reason to consider yourself "separate" from the molesters.
DJ, an actually doctor, saying *you* are torturing, imprisoning, and damaging people seems to really get to you. Sorry, YOU are, in fact a lot "worse" than DJ.
As a general principle, the longer you keep silent about torture, the longer you participate in torture, the less vociferously you speak out against it, the more of a culpable and repulsive torturer you are.
Most of us who post here are victims of Change Academy Lake Ozark Whatever's particular brand of abduction, imprisonment without due process, brainwash, dominate, terrorize and torture "therapy." If you feel DJ's "tainted," then by all means, take OUR word for it: you are an evil person doing evils things, and you deserve to spend the rest of your life in a box without light, too small to stand up in, long past the point you feel "vulnerable" and "humble."
I am wondering what is with the overuse of "torture" and "molestation" to describe places (like CALO). You cheapen the terms by applying them with such a broad stroke.
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i left HLA as soon as I saw which way the wind blew. Didn't take long to see what that place was all about. Daytop was based on the same abusive model and I left there quickly as well. In both cases I provided everything I knew to the proper authorities for their follow-up and spoke out regularly about both places. So I'm not sure I get your point. Good staff from these shitpits are the ones who walk away and blow the whistle. If you want to argue the merits of CALO or the rules of this forum, I'll be happy to clean your clock, but as far as attacking me, that's not making you look any better.
So since you left, at some point, you don’t consider yourself a child molester. Interesting way to separate yourself. So theoretically all the staff in all the programs can potentially be just as good as you consider yourself to be because they may potentially leave at some point in disgust. It just may take some longer than others.
So again why do you want to smear these peoples good names call them all child abusers and expose them and deny them any privacy? Why not expose yourself first? They are no better or worse then you.
I think innocently entering an institution that ordered staff to molest children, refusing to participate in child molestation, and turning the molesters over to the authorities is a fair reason to consider yourself "separate" from the molesters.
DJ, an actually doctor, saying *you* are torturing, imprisoning, and damaging people seems to really get to you. Sorry, YOU are, in fact a lot "worse" than DJ.
As a general principle, the longer you keep silent about torture, the longer you participate in torture, the less vociferously you speak out against it, the more of a culpable and repulsive torturer you are.
Most of us who post here are victims of Change Academy Lake Ozark Whatever's particular brand of abduction, imprisonment without due process, brainwash, dominate, terrorize and torture "therapy." If you feel DJ's "tainted," then by all means, take OUR word for it: you are an evil person doing evils things, and you deserve to spend the rest of your life in a box without light, too small to stand up in, long past the point you feel "vulnerable" and "humble."
I am wondering what is with the overuse of "torture" and "molestation" to describe places (like CALO). You cheapen the terms by applying them with such a broad stroke.
What about "abduction" and "imprisonment"? You obviously don't think "torture" and "molestation" befit CEDU, Desisto, Straights, Elan, CALO, but are you so cuckoo that you don't recognize "abduction" and "imprisonment without due process" as appropriate descriptives for these Synanon divisions.
I am wondering how you rationalize this participating in this. You cheapen the term "human" by applying it to yourself, with such a broad stroke.
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I think innocently entering an institution that ordered staff to molest children, refusing to participate in child molestation, and turning the molesters over to the authorities is a fair reason to consider yourself "separate" from the molesters.
Okay, I can agree with that. So a person is innocent like DJ enters an institution and is ordered to molest children. He shows up for work his first day and just to give the program some leeway lets say they postpone the molestations until after the kids eat. So how long did DJ stay at this institution collecting a pay check? Any compassionate human being could probably only last a few hours before leaving and if you stayed around longer than that you would have to participate in the rapes and molestations. I mean come on a person cant hide out in the “Break room” forever. They have to come out and participate or they will be fired.
So did Dysfunction Junction last for more than a day in this institution? If so how long can a person sit and watch others being abused and molested, collect a pay check and not get involved before they can no longer claim they were not complicit with the institution. Is it fair that Dysfuntion Junction is trying to clean himself up here on fornits by asking for fellow staff to be exposed and given no privacy? These same fellow staff who followed in the same footsteps as he while he hypocritically holds on to his privacy?
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I think innocently entering an institution that ordered staff to molest children, refusing to participate in child molestation, and turning the molesters over to the authorities is a fair reason to consider yourself "separate" from the molesters.
Okay, I can agree with that. So a person is innocent like DJ enters an institution and is ordered to molest children. He shows up for work his first day and just to give the program some leeway lets say they postpone the molestations until after the kids eat. So how long did DJ stay at this institution collecting a pay check? Any compassionate human being could probably only last a few hours before leaving and if you stayed around longer than that you would have to participate in the rapes and molestations. I mean come on a person cant hide out in the “Break room” forever. They have to come out and participate or they will be fired.
So did Dysfunction Junction last for more than a day in this institution? If so how long can a person sit and watch others being abused and molested, collect a pay check and not get involved before they can no longer claim they were not complicit with the institution. Is it fair that Dysfuntion Junction is trying to clean himself up here on fornits by asking for fellow staff to be exposed and given no privacy? These same fellow staff who followed in the same footsteps as he while he hypocritically holds on to his privacy?
You may be the only person here who doesn't know who I am. All of my particulars have been posted here before. But, to give a quick answer to your supposition, I was a brand-new, freshly-minted college grad when I took the job at HLA and it did take me a little while to uncover what was happening out of my purview. I found a phony doctor with no degree whatsover and that almost all of the staff had no academic credentials. I also would not "tow the program line." I did my job the way I was taught to do it - the right way. I confronted Len about phony credentials and uneducated staff. He didn't answer to my satisfaction and that was when I realized HLA was just a scam. Then I resigned and reported HLA to every agency that I could. And I've followed up for years to insure they can't hide in the shadows.
What's your excuse for propping up child abusers?
DJ
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I think innocently entering an institution that ordered staff to molest children, refusing to participate in child molestation, and turning the molesters over to the authorities is a fair reason to consider yourself "separate" from the molesters.
Okay, I can agree with that. So a person is innocent like DJ enters an institution and is ordered to molest children. He shows up for work his first day and just to give the program some leeway lets say they postpone the molestations until after the kids eat. So how long did DJ stay at this institution collecting a pay check? Any compassionate human being could probably only last a few hours before leaving and if you stayed around longer than that you would have to participate in the rapes and molestations. I mean come on a person cant hide out in the “Break room” forever. They have to come out and participate or they will be fired.
So did Dysfunction Junction last for more than a day in this institution? If so how long can a person sit and watch others being abused and molested, collect a pay check and not get involved before they can no longer claim they were not complicit with the institution. Is it fair that Dysfuntion Junction is trying to clean himself up here on fornits by asking for fellow staff to be exposed and given no privacy? These same fellow staff who followed in the same footsteps as he while he hypocritically holds on to his privacy?
You may be the only person here who doesn't know who I am. All of my particulars have been posted here before. But, to give a quick answer to your supposition, I was a brand-new, freshly-minted college grad when I took the job at HLA and it did take me a little while to uncover what was happening out of my purview. I found a phony doctor with no degree whatsover and that almost all of the staff had no academic credentials. I also would not "tow the program line." I did my job the way I was taught to do it - the right way. I confronted Len about phony credentials and uneducated staff. He didn't answer to my satisfaction and that was when I realized HLA was just a scam. Then I resigned and reported HLA to every agency that I could. And I've followed up for years to insure they can't hide in the shadows.
What's your excuse for propping up child abusers?
DJ
The point is that others may be taking the same path so dont be so quick to condem. If you drew a paycheck then you did the work and over time turned over some rocks so give the same respect to others that you want for yourself.
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I think innocently entering an institution that ordered staff to molest children, refusing to participate in child molestation, and turning the molesters over to the authorities is a fair reason to consider yourself "separate" from the molesters.
Okay, I can agree with that. So a person is innocent like DJ enters an institution and is ordered to molest children. He shows up for work his first day and just to give the program some leeway lets say they postpone the molestations until after the kids eat. So how long did DJ stay at this institution collecting a pay check? Any compassionate human being could probably only last a few hours before leaving and if you stayed around longer than that you would have to participate in the rapes and molestations. I mean come on a person cant hide out in the “Break room” forever. They have to come out and participate or they will be fired.
So did Dysfunction Junction last for more than a day in this institution? If so how long can a person sit and watch others being abused and molested, collect a pay check and not get involved before they can no longer claim they were not complicit with the institution. Is it fair that Dysfuntion Junction is trying to clean himself up here on fornits by asking for fellow staff to be exposed and given no privacy? These same fellow staff who followed in the same footsteps as he while he hypocritically holds on to his privacy?
You may be the only person here who doesn't know who I am. All of my particulars have been posted here before. But, to give a quick answer to your supposition, I was a brand-new, freshly-minted college grad when I took the job at HLA and it did take me a little while to uncover what was happening out of my purview. I found a phony doctor with no degree whatsover and that almost all of the staff had no academic credentials. I also would not "tow the program line." I did my job the way I was taught to do it - the right way. I confronted Len about phony credentials and uneducated staff. He didn't answer to my satisfaction and that was when I realized HLA was just a scam. Then I resigned and reported HLA to every agency that I could. And I've followed up for years to insure they can't hide in the shadows.
What's your excuse for propping up child abusers?
DJ
The point is that others may be taking the same path so dont be so quick to condem. If you drew a paycheck then you did the work and over time turned over some rocks so give the same respect to others that you want for yourself.
Okay 'Guest' who doesn't have the chutzpah to sign in and give at least the semblance of taking responsibility for your words...unless you have walked a mile in a reformed staff's shoes, do not cast aspersions. You know not what you are talking about...
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Yeah, I would second Guardian Angel's sentiments here. What's with all the obfuscation, pot shots, and yanking out the microscope ... this from an anonymous sniper bar none! LOLOLOL! Lemmee take a wild guess as to WHO that could possibly be!
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John Malvo?
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Okay 'Guest' who doesn't have the chutzpah to sign in and give at least the semblance of taking responsibility for your words...unless you have walked a mile in a reformed staff's shoes, do not cast aspersions. You know not what you are talking about...
So your mother "Mrs Angel" called you guardian? How nice. What was your address again? I missed that post.
so which is it.. are all staff evil child abusers or are some okay like DJ claims to be? and how do you tell the difference between the two?
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Okay 'Guest' who doesn't have the chutzpah to sign in and give at least the semblance of taking responsibility for your words...unless you have walked a mile in a reformed staff's shoes, do not cast aspersions. You know not what you are talking about...
So your mother "Mrs Angel" called you guardian? How nice. What was your address again? I missed that post.
so which is it.. are all staff evil child abusers or are some okay like DJ claims to be? and how do you tell the difference between the two?
The difference between the two? You are really so obtuse you have to ask? I suppose it is easy to see which category you fall under. The difference between the two is this: Staff who rally for the rights of the kids, staff who care enough about the welfare of the kids, staff who question authority, they are asked to leave....or simply leave because they cannot in good conscience participate any longer.
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how do you tell the difference between the two?
A truly repentant ex staff will come onto fornits, and publicly apologize for taking part in the systematic torture of America's youth. They will post their name and the program they worked for and describe in detail the abuse they inflicted on the innocent children.
Then the Survivor Council is convened in fornits' hidden forum. If a majority the of Survivors Council vote to 'forgive', the ex staff is officially forgiven on behalf of the children that were abused.
Duh, I thought everyone knew this?
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how do you tell the difference between the two?
A truly repentant ex staff will come onto fornits, and publicly apologize for taking part in the systematic torture of America's youth. They will post their name and the program they worked for and describe in detail the abuse they inflicted on the innocent children.
Then the Survivor Council is convened in fornits' hidden forum. If a majority the of Survivors Council vote to 'forgive', the ex staff is officially forgiven on behalf of the children that were abused.
Duh, I thought everyone knew this?
As you well know, there is no such thing as a "Survivor Council" or "hidden forum." Your sarcasm is unwarranted.
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I think it takes tremendous courage for a former staff member to not only walk away from participating in this charade, but to also speak out against it in the aftermath. Not everyone chooses to stand so visible regarding their crisis of conscience.
I would also like to add, to be fair, that not everyone can afford to do this, for a variety of reasons.
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^This.... and yes it is fucking damn hard to pull off.
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Okay 'Guest' who doesn't have the chutzpah to sign in and give at least the semblance of taking responsibility for your words...unless you have walked a mile in a reformed staff's shoes, do not cast aspersions. You know not what you are talking about...
So your mother "Mrs Angel" called you guardian? How nice. What was your address again? I missed that post.
so which is it.. are all staff evil child abusers or are some okay like DJ claims to be? and how do you tell the difference between the two?
The difference between the two? You are really so obtuse you have to ask? I suppose it is easy to see which category you fall under. The difference between the two is this: Staff who rally for the rights of the kids, staff who care enough about the welfare of the kids, staff who question authority, they are asked to leave....or simply leave because they cannot in good conscience participate any longer.
So, Mr. Angel, not all staff are evil some are good and just havent left yet or figured out the place is abusive and been fired yet. We need to differentiate between these staff members and those who enjoy their work. If we are going to just categorize all staff into one bucket then people like DJ need to take the same medicine.
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Man, The Who really loves to troll DJ. Remember that this is the man who locked up his daughter at ASR and she was so traumatized by it that after she got out she got onto drugs and alcohol real bad and cut her father (The Who) out of her life completely. He's a bit mentally ill.
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On 2006-06-21 12:33:00, Anonymous wrote:
"You could be right, who knows. I've thought that from time to time. I don't think it really matters though other than it would go a long way to explaining his staunch defense of even the most indefensible of programs."
I dont mind taking a hit, but the programs I back are the ones I know, ASR and SUWS. The only 2. I may converse and comment on facets of other programs as they come up in discussion and give my opinion but I have never given my blessing to send their kids to any others.
Oh yeah. AND CALO. AND HLA. AND every single other program.
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Man, The Who really loves to troll DJ. Remember that this is the man who locked up his daughter at ASR and she was so traumatized by it that after she got out she got onto drugs and alcohol real bad and cut her father (The Who) out of her life completely. He's a bit mentally ill.
TheWho doesn't have a daughter. He had two sons. Calling him "a bit mentally ill" is unfair. Why don't you tell us what happened, Whooter?
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Man, The Who really loves to troll DJ. Remember that this is the man who locked up his daughter at ASR and she was so traumatized by it that after she got out she got onto drugs and alcohol real bad and cut her father (The Who) out of her life completely. He's a bit mentally ill.
TheWho doesn't have a daughter. He had two sons. Calling him "a bit mentally ill" is unfair. Why don't you tell us what happened, Whooter?
Sorry, extremely mentally ill. And he had a daughter, sent her to be abused at ASR at the hands of Rudy Bentz, et al and now he doesn't have a daughter anymore.
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Man, The Who really loves to troll DJ. Remember that this is the man who locked up his daughter at ASR and she was so traumatized by it that after she got out she got onto drugs and alcohol real bad and cut her father (The Who) out of her life completely. He's a bit mentally ill.
TheWho doesn't have a daughter. He had two sons. Calling him "a bit mentally ill" is unfair. Why don't you tell us what happened, Whooter?
Sorry, extremely mentally ill. And he had a daughter, sent her to be abused at ASR at the hands of Rudy Bentz, et al and now he doesn't have a daughter anymore.
Nope. He never had a daughter. Not then, not now. That was another obfuscation he lobbed everyone's way, and you fell for it.
Once upon a time he had two sons. Now he has one. Tell us why, Whooter...
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Man, The Who really loves to troll DJ. Remember that this is the man who locked up his daughter at ASR and she was so traumatized by it that after she got out she got onto drugs and alcohol real bad and cut her father (The Who) out of her life completely. He's a bit mentally ill.
TheWho doesn't have a daughter. He had two sons. Calling him "a bit mentally ill" is unfair. Why don't you tell us what happened, Whooter?
Sorry, extremely mentally ill. And he had a daughter, sent her to be abused at ASR at the hands of Rudy Bentz, et al and now he doesn't have a daughter anymore.
Nope. He never had a daughter. Not then, not now. That was another obfuscation he lobbed everyone's way, and you fell for it.
Once upon a time he had two sons. Now he has one. Tell us why, Whooter...
Whooter claims he had a daughter. He claimed she now doesn't talk to him after the program. Why would he make that up? IMO, he mixes truth with lies, and he's very good at it.
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Man, The Who really loves to troll DJ. Remember that this is the man who locked up his daughter at ASR and she was so traumatized by it that after she got out she got onto drugs and alcohol real bad and cut her father (The Who) out of her life completely. He's a bit mentally ill.
TheWho doesn't have a daughter. He had two sons. Calling him "a bit mentally ill" is unfair. Why don't you tell us what happened, Whooter?
Sorry, extremely mentally ill. And he had a daughter, sent her to be abused at ASR at the hands of Rudy Bentz, et al and now he doesn't have a daughter anymore.
Nope. He never had a daughter. Not then, not now. That was another obfuscation he lobbed everyone's way, and you fell for it.
Once upon a time he had two sons. Now he has one. Tell us why, Whooter...
Interesting. So you're saying he made up everything about his daughter going to ASR, etc.? Hmmm. Not that I don't believe he would do that, but now I'm curious to peel back the layers and see what Whooter is hiding so carefully...
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Man, The Who really loves to troll DJ. Remember that this is the man who locked up his daughter at ASR and she was so traumatized by it that after she got out she got onto drugs and alcohol real bad and cut her father (The Who) out of her life completely. He's a bit mentally ill.
TheWho doesn't have a daughter. He had two sons. Calling him "a bit mentally ill" is unfair. Why don't you tell us what happened, Whooter?
Sorry, extremely mentally ill. And he had a daughter, sent her to be abused at ASR at the hands of Rudy Bentz, et al and now he doesn't have a daughter anymore.
Nope. He never had a daughter. Not then, not now. That was another obfuscation he lobbed everyone's way, and you fell for it.
Once upon a time he had two sons. Now he has one. Tell us why, Whooter...
Interesting. So you're saying he made up everything about his daughter going to ASR, etc.? Hmmm. Not that I don't believe he would do that, but now I'm curious to peel back the layers and see what Whooter is hiding so carefully...
Not everything....... just the gender.
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Not everything....... just the gender.
And you would know this how? Not even myself or Ginger have his IRL identity. Nobody knows who he really is (other than what the effects of his words show his motivations to be). Hey. IF you have the twat's identity. Let's have it. I've wanted to know for sure for a loooooooong time. Hell. While back I even put up a bounty for it.
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Not everything....... just the gender.
And you would know this how? Not even myself or Ginger have his IRL identity. Nobody knows who he really is (other than what the effects of his words show his motivations to be). Hey. IF you have the twat's identity. Let's have it. I've wanted to know for sure for a loooooooong time. Hell. While back I even put up a bounty for it.
I'm with Psy on this one. Let's have it.
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Man, The Who really loves to troll DJ. Remember that this is the man who locked up his daughter at ASR and she was so traumatized by it that after she got out she got onto drugs and alcohol real bad and cut her father (The Who) out of her life completely. He's a bit mentally ill.
TheWho doesn't have a daughter. He had two sons. Calling him "a bit mentally ill" is unfair. Why don't you tell us what happened, Whooter?
Sorry, extremely mentally ill. And he had a daughter, sent her to be abused at ASR at the hands of Rudy Bentz, et al and now he doesn't have a daughter anymore.
Nope. He never had a daughter. Not then, not now. That was another obfuscation he lobbed everyone's way, and you fell for it.
Once upon a time he had two sons. Now he has one. Tell us why, Whooter...
Interesting. So you're saying he made up everything about his daughter going to ASR, etc.? Hmmm. Not that I don't believe he would do that, but now I'm curious to peel back the layers and see what Whooter is hiding so carefully...
Just say everything you know. . I am curious how thewho person ended up so crazy/evil. I can imagine driving your son to suicide might sever your connections to reality and drive you to make post after post defending your actions, post morbidity. I do notice that the posts describing how being abducted, imprisoned, and brainwashed drove various victims to suicide provoke him quite a bit. Am I noticing something significant?