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Treatment Abuse, Behavior Modification, Thought Reform => The Troubled Teen Industry => Topic started by: Anonymous on June 16, 2009, 01:12:50 PM
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I pray for children who rely on CALO staff (abusers) to guide them through the above process. Where are the staff in the pictures? These activites should be supervised by competent people.
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What is with every for-profit, extra-judicially contracted gulag having a ropes course?
Just to lend themselves legitimacy through advertisement of another pseudo-scientific “therapy” (for which they need not employ high-salary demanding, accredited medical personnel)?
Or is it something deeper: yet another means to induce Stockholm Syndromatic bond between its captives and its tormenters, and redirect captives’ concentration onto a menial, immediate task, thereby interfering with their grasp of the “bigger picture”—a basic component of thought reform.
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What is with every for-profit, extra-judicially contracted gulag having a ropes course?
Just to lend themselves legitimacy through advertisement of another pseudo-scientific “therapy” (for which they need not employ high-salary demanding, accredited medical personnel)?
Or is it something deeper: yet another means to induce Stockholm Syndromatic bond between its captives and its tormenters, and redirect captives’ concentration onto a menial, immediate task, thereby interfering with their grasp of the “bigger picture”—a basic component of thought reform.
It would seem you bring up legitimate points guest the only correction I can make and add to this
that high -salary you mention is $58,000.00 annually
ACCREDITED MEDICAL PERSONNEL?????????????? WHERE ?????????????????????( thats funny )
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What is with every for-profit, extra-judicially contracted gulag having a ropes course?
Just to lend themselves legitimacy through advertisement of another pseudo-scientific “therapy” (for which they need not employ high-salary demanding, accredited medical personnel)?
Or is it something deeper: yet another means to induce Stockholm Syndromatic bond between its captives and its tormenters, and redirect captives’ concentration onto a menial, immediate task, thereby interfering with their grasp of the “bigger picture”—a basic component of thought reform.
It would seem you bring up legitimate points guest the only correction I can make and add to this
that high -salary you mention is $58,000.00 annually
ACCREDITED MEDICAL PERSONNEL?????????????? WHERE ?????????????????????( thats funny )
Are you saying doctors only earn 58,000 a year?
I meant that because Change Academy Lake Ozark's "therapies" are NOT medically valid, they can hire NON-medical personnel who accept lower salaries than staff with medical credentials. Using "parents'" funding to provide something approaching reasonable care is NOT something for-profit gulags are interested in doing.
Sickly, for-profit gulags attract "parents" who don't care if their wards receive medical care from accredited personnel, or aren't mentally competant enough to authenticate the validity of the "care" being offered. Thusly, gulags often get away with this fraud and abuse. Because of the type of people these "parents" are, when their victims commit suicide or report torture afterwards their internment, criminal and civil charges are rarely pressed. By the time the kids are together enough to press charges, statutes of limitations have usually passed. Quite a scheme.
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(http://http://caloteens.com/photos/photoShow/images/blindfolded.jpg)
I pray for children who rely on CALO staff (abusers) to guide them through the above process. Where are the staff in the pictures? These activites should be supervised by competent people.
FYI the man in the pic is staff
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Are the students supervising the staff member? If that is the case, what the hell is going on at CALO? Staff should provide supervision 24 hours around the clock.
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No bob..
What should happen is the captives should quietly arm themselves and then beat the staffer into submission when he's blindfolded. I don't mean a little stinger or two like a brother gets when you get hit full force in a rugby tackle gone bad.
I mean they should literally glaze the motherfucker within an inch of his life, piss on him, hog tie him, and use him as a human shield while they demand to speak to the press.
^The above is a work of the creative mind and should not be taken seriously.
*nod* *nod* *nod*
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You forgot the part about taking a dump on Mr. Huey.
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No Bob..
Mr. Huey is guilty against multiple crimes against children. He deserves something far more strenuous. Don't you remember the Nuremburg War Trials? I was just following orders, I swear!
Poor Mr. Huey, he was just following his orders from Proficio.
Sweet.. You remember what happened to the nazi fucks at Nuremburg?
They hung the fuckers.
Students.. take from this what you will.
*IN NO WAY does the author endorse violence unless it is direct towards himself. He's a kinky freak and likes it rough. If you have a sister or wife you want to send his way for the weekend please do do now.*
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Speaking of kinky freaks, every time I see this topic I think of this (http://http://www.ballbizarre.com/fetish-pictures/2009/02/labia-rope-bondage.jpg).
Why didn't you just go into barely-legal bondage porn if you like to see teens humiliated and vulnerable, Ken? I'm certain your smooth-talker bullshit would be just as effective there as in your current occupation.
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No bob..
What should happen is the captives should quietly arm themselves and then beat the staffer into submission when he's blindfolded. I don't mean a little stinger or two like a brother gets when you get hit full force in a rugby tackle gone bad.
I mean they should literally glaze the motherfucker within an inch of his life, piss on him, hog tie him, and use him as a human shield while they demand to speak to the press.
^The above is a work of the creative mind and should not be taken seriously.
*nod* *nod* *nod*
BUT DON'T FORGET YOUR WHITE HOODS, YE BRETHREN!
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I pray for children who rely on CALO staff (abusers) to guide them through the above process. Where are the staff in the pictures? These activites should be supervised by competent people.
FYI the man in the pic is staff
Is it just me or does he look like he's blindfolded?!?!
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If that's not staff, and is in fact a student, I think that might be the "smoking gun". From the angle of the camera, that looks 6-10 feet off the ground... more than enough that if you land on your head, helmet or not, it's going to shatter your neck. Even if there is some sort of safety net, it would still probably do quite a bit of damage. Frankly, that looks damn dangerous, for staff or for the kids.
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Speaking of kinky freaks, every time I see this topic I think of this (http://http://www.ballbizarre.com/fetish-pictures/2009/02/labia-rope-bondage.jpg).
Why didn't you just go into barely-legal bondage porn if you like to see teens humiliated and vulnerable, Ken? I'm certain your smooth-talker bullshit would be just as effective there as in your current occupation.
Question: Are people allowed to post porn - kiddy or other, illegal or legal - here? If so, why? If not, why not?
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Question: Are people allowed to post porn - kiddy or other, illegal or legal - here? If so, why? If not, why not?
Your base little bating question neither merits nor inspires a respectful reply.
You pithy filthy petty little prick.
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Did some reading up on ropes courses and here is what I found"
Purpose
Ropes course programs can be designed to meet a number of educational, developmental, and recreational goals. High ropes course and climbing programs generally focus on personal achievements and ask participants to confront their personal fears and anxieties. Challenges may be physical and/or emotional. In certain cases, high element programs involve the development and mastery of technical skills to manage rope belay systems used to secure other climbers as they move through the course. In such cases, outcomes often include exploring the fundamentals of trust, craftsmanship, and coaching. Programs using low ropes course elements or group initiatives are most often designed to explore group interaction, problem-solving, and leadership. Some of the commonly claimed outcomes include enhancement of:
• Cooperation
• Decision making
• Self confidence
• Positive Risk Taking
• Cohesion
• Trust
• Self esteem
• Leadership
• Goal setting
• Teamwork
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Did some reading up on ropes courses and here is what I found"
Purpose
Ropes course programs can be designed to meet a number of educational, developmental, and recreational goals. High ropes course and climbing programs generally focus on personal achievements and ask participants to confront their personal fears and anxieties. Challenges may be physical and/or emotional. In certain cases, high element programs involve the development and mastery of technical skills to manage rope belay systems used to secure other climbers as they move through the course. In such cases, outcomes often include exploring the fundamentals of trust, craftsmanship, and coaching. Programs using low ropes course elements or group initiatives are most often designed to explore group interaction, problem-solving, and leadership. Some of the commonly claimed outcomes include enhancement of:
• Cooperation
• Decision making
• Self confidence
• Positive Risk Taking
• Cohesion
• Trust
• Self esteem
• Leadership
• Goal setting
• Teamwork
The above response represents desperate measures taken by CALO staff to boost their image. Your points are mute considering there is no staff supervision in the pictures posted on page 1. I worked in a wilderness facility and understand what safety is about. Staff should be within arms length of students at all time to prevent accidents. The aforesaid is applicable to low ropes course and high ropes course elements.
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Question: Are people allowed to post porn - kiddy or other, illegal or legal - here? If so, why? If not, why not?
Your base little bating question neither merits nor inspires a respectful reply.
You pithy filthy petty little prick.
So that means the answer is...what? Just trying to understand the guiding principles here.Did some reading up on ropes courses and here is what I found"
Purpose
Ropes course programs can be designed to meet a number of educational, developmental, and recreational goals. High ropes course and climbing programs generally focus on personal achievements and ask participants to confront their personal fears and anxieties. Challenges may be physical and/or emotional. In certain cases, high element programs involve the development and mastery of technical skills to manage rope belay systems used to secure other climbers as they move through the course. In such cases, outcomes often include exploring the fundamentals of trust, craftsmanship, and coaching. Programs using low ropes course elements or group initiatives are most often designed to explore group interaction, problem-solving, and leadership. Some of the commonly claimed outcomes include enhancement of:
• Cooperation
• Decision making
• Self confidence
• Positive Risk Taking
• Cohesion
• Trust
• Self esteem
• Leadership
• Goal setting
• Teamwork
The above response represents desperate measures taken by CALO staff to boost their image. Your points are mute considering there is no staff supervision in the pictures posted on page 1. I worked in a wilderness facility and understand what safety is about. Staff should be within arms length of students at all time to prevent accidents. The aforesaid is applicable to low ropes course and high ropes course elements.
Plus rope courses are fun, kinda like rock climbing
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"The above response represents desperate measures taken by CALO staff to boost their image. Your points are mute considering there is no staff supervision in the pictures posted on page 1. I worked in a wilderness facility and understand what safety is about. Staff should be within arms length of students at all time to prevent accidents. The aforesaid is applicable to low ropes course and high ropes course elements. "
Huh? Did we miss something? Of course there is supervision; in the picture there is a staff person and certainly there is one on the ground, too.
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Question: Are people allowed to post porn - kiddy or other, illegal or legal - here? If so, why? If not, why not?
Your base little bating question neither merits nor inspires a respectful reply.
You pithy filthy petty little prick.
So that means the answer is...what? Just trying to understand the guiding principles here.
A person capable of toying at that topic would have some confusion about guiding principles…Clearly, you have a lack of them within.
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"The above response represents desperate measures taken by CALO staff to boost their image. Your points are mute considering there is no staff supervision in the pictures posted on page 1. I worked in a wilderness facility and understand what safety is about. Staff should be within arms length of students at all time to prevent accidents. The aforesaid is applicable to low ropes course and high ropes course elements. "
Huh? Did we miss something? Of course there is supervision; in the picture there is a staff person and certainly there is one on the ground, too.
Yes, you did miss something. You are not in sync with the fundamentals of supervision and safety. I suggest you, in addition to other CALO staff, take a refresher course on supervision.
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Here is what the CALO website actually says; emphasis as per the original:
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Recreation Therapy (http://http://caloteens.com/recreationTherapy.aspx)
The Therapeutic Recreation program at CALO utilizes metaphors along with its varied natural landscape to provide recreational opportunities that are exciting, adventurous, and therapeutic.
All of our activities are strategically designed to reveal and address the therapeutic needs of our students in ways that encourage relationship and act as a catalyst for change.[/list]
CALO's Therapeutic Recreation Program is a synchronized cycle of sequences that build upon each other and teach students the importance of creating and maintaining healthy relationships. The five areas of emphasis are: Setting and Achieving Goals, Teamwork, Communication, Trust and Service. Each of these necessary character traits is emphasized for a period of six to eight weeks throughout the year. During this time students gain knowledge experientially as they explore these character traits from three very different perspectives: a Ropes Course perspective, a Creative Arts perspective, and an Adventure perspective.
Ropes Course Perspective
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"overcoming fears on the ropes"
Weekly Ropes Course activities provide exciting opportunities for students to explore the fundamental principals of important concepts such as Teamwork and Trust. Through a series of initiative games, low ropes course activities, and high ropes course challenges, students learn how to build relationships of trust with their community while having fun and taking risks together. Through the use of metaphors and predetermined challenges, certified Ropes Course facilitators assist students in exploring their own personal fears and limitations, while learning to build and maintain trust and achieve success together.
Creative Arts Perspective
A highly integrated Creative Arts program addresses the needs and expectations of the creative thinker in ways that traditional talk therapy can not. Weekly Creative Arts activities provide an outlet for students to share emotions and explore relationships through creative mediums such as drawings, paintings, buildings, ceramics, leatherwork and music. Through this creative process ideas and emotions are shared, masterpieces are created, and healthy self expression is encouraged. As students learn to harness their artistic abilities in a safe setting, the principles of humility and vulnerability create opportunities for relationships to thrive.
Adventure Perspective
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"having fun on the water"
With each of the five character traits taught there is an assigned adventure activity. These adventure activities are specifically chosen to provide opportunities for conversations and processing moments with our students. For six to eight weeks we focus on different adventures such as rock climbing, canoeing, fly fishing, wake boarding, and an exciting triathlon preparation. As students grow in their knowledge and experience of these different activities they are encouraged to find their own limitations and then break them.
During this process relationships are strengthened, personal confidence is increased and students acquire new hobbies and abilities that bless their lives long after they leave the program.[/list]
© 2009 CALO
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I pray for children who rely on CALO staff (abusers) to guide them through the above process. Where are the staff in the pictures? These activites should be supervised by competent people.
FYI the man in the pic is staff
Actually.... the young man in the pic looks like KURT ZAHN. He's kind of a big kid. But then, you would know that, wouldn't you?
I have to wonder about CALO's sense of entitlement to all aspects of their client's lives. Did these kids get any say-so about having their fears depicted thusly on your website?
I guess only the parents' say-so really matters here...
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Question: Are people allowed to post porn - kiddy or other, illegal or legal - here? If so, why? If not, why not?
Your base little bating question neither merits nor inspires a respectful reply.
You pithy filthy petty little prick.
So that means the answer is...what? Just trying to understand the guiding principles here.
A person capable of toying at that topic would have some confusion about guiding principles…Clearly, you have a lack of them within.
Hey Fuckface,
I'm not the one who posted the link to a soft-porn foto on this thread! So save it, asshole.
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I have to wonder about CALO's sense of entitlement to all aspects of their client's lives. Did these kids get any say-so about having their fears depicted thusly on your website?
Its against the law for kids to to be asked this. They are too young to decide to have their pictures or personal information made public. The parents make all the choices for the kids in or out of programs. Google "facebook" or "myspace" there are some good discussions on this topic.
I guess only the parents' say-so really matters here...
Exactly, the parents decide if they would sign a waiver to have their child part of the web site. This doesn’t just apply to programs, if you have a child in public school you have seen this standard waiver to have your child photographed, placed in the year book, or used for school ads etc.
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Question: Are people allowed to post porn - kiddy or other, illegal or legal - here? If so, why? If not, why not?
Your base little bating question neither merits nor inspires a respectful reply.
You pithy filthy petty little prick.
So that means the answer is...what? Just trying to understand the guiding principles here.
A person capable of toying at that topic would have some confusion about guiding principles…Clearly, you have a lack of them within.
Hey Fuckface,
I'm not the one who posted the link to a soft-porn foto on this thread! So save it, asshole.
Liar. You did so with the intention of setting up your posting that very jackass inquiry. You muckraking liar. Just because Ywohu0 don’t see how obvious you are doesn’t mean others can’t spot it.
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(http://http://caloteens.com/photos/photoShow/images/blindfolded.jpg)
I pray for children who rely on CALO staff (abusers) to guide them through the above process. Where are the staff in the pictures? These activites should be supervised by competent people.
FYI the man in the pic is staff
Actually.... the young man in the pic looks like KURT ZAHN. He's kind of a big kid. But then, you would know that, wouldn't you?
I have to wonder about CALO's sense of entitlement to all aspects of their client's lives. Did these kids get any say-so about having their fears depicted thusly on your website?
I guess only the parents' say-so really matters here...
I guess the kid's privacy doesn't matter when it benefits CATO, for -profit, brainwashing and torture gulag!
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I have to wonder about CALO's sense of entitlement to all aspects of their client's lives. Did these kids get any say-so about having their fears depicted thusly on your website?
Its against the law for kids to to be asked this. They are too young to decide to have their pictures or personal information made public. The parents make all the choices for the kids in or out of programs. Google "facebook" or "myspace" there are some good discussions on this topic.
I guess only the parents' say-so really matters here...
Exactly, the parents decide if they would sign a waiver to have their child part of the web site. This doesn’t just apply to programs, if you have a child in public school you have seen this standard waiver to have your child photographed, placed in the year book, or used for school ads etc.
Let me get this straight. I'm new at this. So "the okay" for these kids' photos on CALO's website are ultimately in the hands of their parents? Did these parents all have to sign some consent form for this?
Is there a tuition discount involved, when your kid's pic is used for this kind of marketing or advertising?
Are parents aware that their kids may be displayed thusly -- blindfolded and helpless, high off the ground, legs splayed for balance, with lots of ropes attached which are controlled by staff (I assume), who mete out punishment or reward based on perceived cooperation or lack thereof?
These kinds of rope courses are used a lot as team building exercises during business retreats. I suppose you could call them LGAT-lites. But I don't see any photos of grown men displayed like this in the brochures or websites of the companies that host these things. I wonder why? I guess grown men don't like to see themselves depicted like this, and they are in a position to refuse.
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Exactly, the parents decide if they would sign a waiver to have their child part of the web site. This doesn’t just apply to programs, if you have a child in public school you have seen this standard waiver to have your child photographed, placed in the year book, or used for school ads etc.
So, then, if the abusive "parents'" of CALO gave permission for their kids' names to be posted here, it would become OK, and no longer "traumatizing"?
Therein, lies the absurdity and horror of the for-profit gulag system and the "parents" and Politian’s that prop it up for gratification, emotional or financial
At any rate, thank you for admitting CALOs concern about these kids names being printed has NOTHING to do with the young peoples' needs or desires.
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Let me get this straight. I'm new at this. So "the okay" for these kids' photos on CALO's website are ultimately in the hands of their parents? Did these parents all have to sign some consent form for this?
Yes they did . The form is the same as you would see in any local school system. You see kids depicted on the cover of year books, playing sports etc.
Is there a tuition discount involved, when your kid's pic is used for this kind of marketing or advertising?
No there isn’t. Most private schools as well as public just ask if the photos can be used and obtain sign off.
Are parents aware that their kids may be displayed thusly -- blindfolded and helpless, high off the ground, legs splayed for balance, with lots of ropes attached which are controlled by staff (I assume), who mete out punishment or reward based on perceived cooperation or lack thereof?
They are aware of the photos used. We had a local school who used kids in a mock auto accident. Blood was applied to their bodies and they were photographed. The parents needed to sign off on this also.
These kinds of rope courses are used a lot as team building exercises during business retreats. I suppose you could call them LGAT-lites. But I don't see any photos of grown men displayed like this in the brochures or websites of the companies that host these things. I wonder why? I guess grown men don't like to see themselves depicted like this, and they are in a position to refuse.
You just need to look around... here is an example:
http://http://www.upwardenterprises.com/prog_ropes.html
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I've got a ropes course for CALO.
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Did some reading up on ropes courses and here is what I found"
Purpose
Ropes course programs can be designed to meet a number of educational, developmental, and recreational goals. High ropes course and climbing programs generally focus on personal achievements and ask participants to confront their personal fears and anxieties. Challenges may be physical and/or emotional. In certain cases, high element programs involve the development and mastery of technical skills to manage rope belay systems used to secure other climbers as they move through the course. In such cases, outcomes often include exploring the fundamentals of trust, craftsmanship, and coaching. Programs using low ropes course elements or group initiatives are most often designed to explore group interaction, problem-solving, and leadership. Some of the commonly claimed outcomes include enhancement of:
• Cooperation
• Decision making
• Self confidence
• Positive Risk Taking
• Cohesion
• Trust
• Self esteem
• Leadership
• Goal setting
• Teamwork
Did some reading on sex. Here is what I found:
10 Surprising Health Benefits of Sex
The health benefits of sex extend well beyond the bedroom. Turns out sex is good for you in ways you may never have imagined.
By Kathleen Doheny
WebMD FeatureReviewed by Louise Chang, MDWhen you're in the mood, it's a sure bet that the last thing on your mind is boosting your immune system or maintaining a healthy weight. Yet good sex offers those health benefits and more.
That's a surprise to many people, says Joy Davidson, PhD, a New York psychologist and sex therapist. "Of course, sex is everywhere in the media," she says. "But the idea that we are vital, sexual creatures is still looked at in some cases with disgust or in other cases a bit of embarrassment. So to really take a look at how our sexuality adds to our life and enhances our life and our health, both physical and psychological, is eye-opening for many people."
Sex does a body good in a number of ways, according to Davidson and other experts. The benefits aren't just anecdotal or hearsay -- each of these 10 health benefits of sex is backed by scientific scrutiny.
Among the benefits of healthy loving in a relationship:
1. Sex Relieves Stress
A big health benefit of sex is lower blood pressure and overall stress reduction, according to researchers from Scotland who reported their findings in the journal Biological Psychology. They studied 24 women and 22 men who kept records of their sexual activity. Then the researchers subjected them to stressful situations -- such as speaking in public and doing verbal arithmetic -- and noted their blood pressure response to stress.
Those who had intercourse had better responses to stress than those who engaged in other sexual behaviors or abstained.
Another study published in the same journal found that frequent intercourse was associated with lower diastolic blood pressure in cohabiting participants. Yet other research found a link between partner hugs and lower blood pressure in women.
2. Sex Boosts Immunity
Good sexual health may mean better physical health. Having sex once or twice a week has been linked with higher levels of an antibody called immunoglobulin A or IgA, which can protect you from getting colds and other infections. Scientists at Wilkes University in Wilkes-Barre, Pa., took samples of saliva, which contain IgA, from 112 college students who reported the frequency of sex they had.
Those in the "frequent" group -- once or twice a week -- had higher levels of IgA than those in the other three groups -- who reported being abstinent, having sex less than once a week, or having it very often, three or more times weekly.
3. Sex Burns Calories
Thirty minutes of sex burns 85 calories or more. It may not sound like much, but it adds up: 42 half-hour sessions will burn 3,570 calories, more than enough to lose a pound. Doubling up, you could drop that pound in 21 hour-long sessions.
"Sex is a great mode of exercise," says Patti Britton, PhD, a Los Angeles sexologist and president of the American Association of Sexuality Educators and Therapists. It takes work, from both a physical and psychological perspective, to do it well, she says.
That sex can be "healthy" does not make it therapy. Likewise, that ropes courses can be “healthy” does not make them therapy. CALO pretending "ropes courses" constitutes therapy is fraudulent.
Further, sex or ropes courses are “healthy” depending on their CONTEXT. For example, if one is forced to have sex, its "health benefits" are neutralized. Likewise, if one is forced to traverse a ropes course, or does it in the context of being a prisoner in a gulag, its "health benefits" are neutralized. In fact, depending on the context of these activities, they can be seriously psychologically or physically damaging.
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"That sex can be "healthy" does not make it therapy"
Except as practiced by sex therapists.
Ropes courses are fun and perhaps healthy, and not necessarily therapeutic. But recreational therapists can use them therapeutically.
But perhaps you are confused. Are you concerned that ropes might be being used in sex therapy?
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Ropes courses can be used for a lot of things. They are merely one part of the regime offered at CALO. Call it one tool in their box of torture implements. Let me browse my survivor list and I'll see if anyone has stories about restraints/wrist locks and other regroupings/punishments resulted from the ropes course.
The key thing to remember here is Ropes course really can be good for anyone in the right place, with the right people, and if you have the right motivation for doing one.
I did one along time ago and I mostly cured my fear of heights. I also learned to trust others a bit more.
Not much mind you.
However, I went willingly and there were no consequences attached to the ropes course. I'd bet money that CALO has all sorts of things attached to the completion of the ropes course.
such as:
Don't complete it you don't advance..
Don't do this you get this..
etc..
That's not doing something voluntarily..
That's being forced to do it by threats.
That kills any possible good that can come out of it.
BTW.. a ropes course isn't a substitute for proper therapy. If you have an actual psychological issue go see a real shrink.
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Hey Fuckface,
I'm not the one who posted the link to a soft-porn foto on this thread! So save it, asshole.
Liar. You did so with the intention of setting up your posting that very jackass inquiry. You muckraking liar. Just because Ywohu0 don’t see how obvious you are doesn’t mean others can’t spot it.[/quote][/quote][/quote][/quote]
Can you translate that into literate English, please?
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I'm all for getting TBS's/RTC's shut down but you guys are just plain dumb and make this forum look stupid with this particular thread.
When you are on the ropes course, staff is belleying you from the ground. you are in a harness attatched through a rope that runs through a pulley down to someone else in a harness who is clipped into the ground/wall/tree. it's climbing 101. the pictures dont show staff because the staff is on the ground. and technically, you dont even need staff to be the ones on the ground connected to you, any student with minimal instruction can handle the task. i was belleying my 180lb+ family members on rock walls since i was a <100lb eight year old. you can get lifted off the ground when ppl fall but your clipped in so it's not big deal, it's kinda fun and amusing actually.
those pics dont show the ground, therefore not the staff.
What is with every for-profit, extra-judicially contracted gulag having a ropes course?
Just to lend themselves legitimacy through advertisement of another pseudo-scientific “therapy” (for which they need not employ high-salary demanding, accredited medical personnel)?
Or is it something deeper: yet another means to induce Stockholm Syndromatic bond between its captives and its tormenters, and redirect captives’ concentration onto a menial, immediate task, thereby interfering with their grasp of the “bigger picture”—a basic component of thought reform.
definitely not. they create self-confidence and help eliminate certain fears, like the fear of heights. Basic school in any public school...even watching TV creates lack of ability to see the bigger picture by focusing on something menial.
have you ever even ben on a ropes course? were you that kid that cried for mommy the second you climbed the ladder? were you that spoiled city girl that got to the "hard part", gave up, and were left dangling there crying untill you grew some balls and finished it? were you the the fattass that passed out on the zipline from terror, thinking you were gonna break the thing? ropes courses are made so that little kids can complete it, and the cables/supports are usually rated to hold the weight of a grand piano. unless you have some serious health problems you should not have any trouble. are you really that much of a pussy that you think ropes courses are abusive? they are fun, not abusive. It doesnt necessarily even have to have a therapeutic component to it. they are FUN. everyone i know looked forward to doing them. i would do one again any day just for shits & giggles.
i love fornits for what it it, but you guys need to grow up, grow some brains and wait till your balls drop before you get into the bussiness of trying to shut places down. get some perspective so you know who and what to target, how to do it and what to say without sounding like a frivilous immature fool that deserves a little schooling and "therapy" you are currently being very counterproductive. this thread amounts to fornits shooting itself in the foot and then using that foot to kick itself in the teeth. stuff like this really hurts fornit's credibility - not that it had much left anyway since Che and his obnoxious porn posting, nazi-TBS satire site creating, "lets take down the whole industry at any cost" counterparts came around. parents a lawyers will look at this thread and say "they really are just disgruntled kids looking for revenge...there is no case". and i'm not even getting into well-proxied's foolishly misguided post with the kids names. that will truly hurt fornits along with the cause in the end; you guys have no idea what kind of media shit-storm may come out of this.
in layman's terms you dumb americanos can understand: quit carpet bombing anything that moves and buy some friggin smart weapons. {...ones with lasers on their heads lol}
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I worked for 3 years at a wilderness school, so I know what I'm talking about. It is dangerous for a child to participate in a ropes course element blindfolded. That is the issue.
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you guys have no idea what kind of media shit-storm may come out of this.
Media shit-storm?
REALLY?!
Hey guys, this can cause a media shitstorm!! Get your asses on the fucking phone with ABC, CBS, NBC, and CNN!
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blindfolded? hehe. carefull young grasshoppah.
seriously. you guys are wussies.
and media shit storm...no need for TV. blogs, forums and feeds, chain emails, etc. spread the word just fine. thats media too, isnt it? I'm sure u guys are well aquatinted with that form of communication. and CALO has an edge over you: they have money. dont pick fights you cant win. with the whole wellproxied bullshit, it's like you guys ran into a firefight butt naked with a BB gun (as far as credibility is concerned). You betta check yo self for you wreck yo self.
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what i'm trying to say is that your strategy is FUCKED. as in, you have no strategy and that is why fornits is only mildly effective.
Youre all just a riotous mob thats just randomly attacking whatever happens to bother you. NO, death by a thousand pinpricks does not apply here. half the time you guys end up just throwing a piercing party (as in, piercing yourselfs) with the needles you intend to use for the thousand pricks. or you just prick yourself. metaphor works either way.
you must have a tactic. Forniticator tactics have worked before...for HLA in particular but others too. This new breed of fools (+che) taking over fornits in the last year are just a bunch of completely tactless blundering emo idiots.
and seriously, what's with the pron? ya'll must be obsessed with masochism, shooting yourselves in the foot over and over and all.
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blindfolded? hehe. carefull young grasshoppah.
seriously. you guys are wussies.
and media shit storm...no need for TV. blogs, forums and feeds, chain emails, etc. spread the word just fine. thats media too, isnt it? I'm sure u guys are well aquatinted with that form of communication. and CALO has an edge over you: they have money. dont pick fights you cant win. with the whole wellproxied bullshit, it's like you guys ran into a firefight butt naked with a BB gun (as far as credibility is concerned). You betta check yo self for you wreck yo self.
You can address well proxied about that "bullshit." The majority of fornit's members don't agree with his methods. Whereas your message about running into a firefight is null n void. They have money, $9000 - $13,000 per child, because they have the uncanny ability to take advantage of parents who cannot manage their child's problems.
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blindfolded? hehe. carefull young grasshoppah.
seriously. you guys are wussies.
and media shit storm...no need for TV. blogs, forums and feeds, chain emails, etc. spread the word just fine. thats media too, isnt it? I'm sure u guys are well aquatinted with that form of communication. and CALO has an edge over you: they have money. dont pick fights you cant win. with the whole wellproxied bullshit, it's like you guys ran into a firefight butt naked with a BB gun (as far as credibility is concerned). You betta check yo self for you wreck yo self.
I will not resort to name calling whereas your comments are indicative you don't have the ability to see the whole picture. As far as the ropes course, it is not about being "wussies." It is about safety which prevents accidents the school could get sued for.
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I will not resort to name calling whereas your comments are indicative you don't have the ability to see the whole picture. As far as the ropes course, it is not about being "wussies." It is about safety which prevents accidents the school could get sued for.
To be fair, at this juncture we have no idea what was going on off-camera. Perhaps there was a big pit of foam below that we don't see, making an otherwise unsafe activity safe. At this point we only have one side of the story which is largely based on speculation.
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I will not resort to name calling whereas your comments are indicative you don't have the ability to see the whole picture. As far as the ropes course, it is not about being "wussies." It is about safety which prevents accidents the school could get sued for.
To be fair, at this juncture we have no idea what was going on off-camera. Perhaps there was a big pit of foam below that we don't see, making an otherwise unsafe activity safe. At this point we only have one side of the story which is largely based on speculation.
A lot of "newbies" appearing to defend CALO. A new who tactic? A calo tactic? Anyone want to guess?
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A lot of "newbies" appearing to defend CALO. A new who tactic? A calo tactic? Anyone want to guess?
Not a newbie. Just a concerned observer who has been around for some time. I believe that Fornits is being played against CALO and vice-versa and I intend to make that case (hence the name I chose). If you're wise, you'll consider all possibilities at this point because if you've been paying close attention, not everything around here adds up and not everything is as it seems. I don't care about whether the program is wrong or right. I am not the judge. I only care about the truth, and even if it is unpleasant, I intend to help expose it. All I want is for both sides of this story to be represented and I truly hope Ken Huey will come out to tell it at some point. I can't do it for him. All I can do is point out irregularities and ask questions.
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A lot of "newbies" appearing to defend CALO. A new who tactic? A calo tactic? Anyone want to guess?
Not a newbie. Just a concerned observer who has been around for some time. I believe that Fornits is being played against CALO and vice-versa and I intend to make that case (hence the name I chose). If you're wise, you'll consider all possibilities at this point because if you've been paying close attention, not everything around here adds up and not everything is as it seems. I don't care about whether the program is wrong or right. I am not the judge. I only care about the truth, and even if it is unpleasant, I intend to help expose it. All I want is for both sides of this story to be represented and I truly hope Ken Huey will come out to tell it at some point. I can't do it for him. All I can do is point out irregularities and ask questions.
Go, dishonest, crazy person!!
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Here is the context in which the "ropes courses" were used, as part of systematic program to psychologically fracture, terrorize and brainwash detainees, as we have contended:
ME:
Did you do the ropes course?
XXXXXXXX:
yes I did
ME:
can you describe how that worked?
XXXXXXXX:
yeah
They had us get in a line silently. They picked their favorites first. Then if we got scared or said we were done. They would say we had to do more or it was regroup.
Then if you didn't cheer the others on. You would get on regroup and you could not leave the area
ME:
So you didn't have a choice about doing the ropes course, it was do it or get in trouble?
XXXXXXX:
Yes
ME:
What kind of regroups did you have to do?
XXXXXX:
I had to pick up hole punched dots on the ground and move them from cup to cup. With out stopping
I had to clean bathroom without gloves
dust fake plants
umm...pick up crumbs off the floor with my hands
scrub the floor with a toothbrush
scrub the floor
with a rag
ME:
this was for Ropes course?
XXXXXXXX:
umm well regroup was the same no matter what you did
ME:
Did regroup feel like a chance to reflect on the problem or did it feel like something else?
XXXXXX:
felt like a punishment Couldn't talk
couldn't even ask for the bathroom
They would tell you when you could go
to the bathroom
ME:
What did you do if you had to use the bathroom?
XXXXXXX:
You waited until they told you that you could go
ME:
you ever experience any pain or discomfort for having to wait for permission to use the bathroom?
XXXXXXX:
umm yes
ME:
and did you ever try to ask to go even though you knew you weren't supposed to?
XXXXXXXX:
Yes and I got rrestrained
ME:
For asking to use the bathroom, you got restrained?
XXXXXXX:
yes they did not like me questioning authority
ME:
Did you try to hurt yourself, hurt anyone else before this restraint?
XXXXXXXX:
no
well for other things
but not this
ME:
Ok.. so back to ropes course..
XXXXXXX:
okay
ME:
Did you have to complete ropes course to advance in CALO's program?
XXXXXXX:
yes
ME:
So it wasn't voluntary, you couldn't choose not to do it, and if you didn't do it you couldn't advance?
XXXXXXX:
yes
ME:
And if you got scared and stopped you'd get punished with a regroup?
XXXXXXX:
yes
ME:
Did anyone ever get restrained at the Ropes Course?
XXXXXXXX:
yes
ME:
Were they trying to hurt themselves or anyone else?
XXXXXXXX:
nope not all of the time
ME:
Do you think you got anything out of CALO's ropes course?
XXXXXXXX:
Nah not really
ME:
Did you see Ken Huey ever restrain a resident?
XXXXXXX:
a few
ME:
So a few people?
XXXXXX:
yes
ME:
Were they trying to hurt themselves or another?
XXXXXXX:
yes
ME:
Were they ever not trying to hurt themselves or another?
XXXXXXXX:
yes
ME:
And you saw Ken Huey try to restrain them?
XXXXXXX:
yes
he usually took over a restraint
for another staff
ME:
Did these restraints appear to be painful?
XXXXXX:
yes
most staff restrained kids painfully
ME:
Did the people being restrained ever beg staff to stop?
XXXXXXX:
yes
ME:
How did the staff respond?
XXXXXX:
they would either yell, cuss
or put them on regroup
rarely did they let them go
unless authority gave approval
ME:
Ok.. that's all I have time for now, do you mind if I edit this intertiew for grammar, spelling, and to protect your identity?
XXXXXXXX:
Yes
ME:
Do you give me permission to post this interview, in editted form, on a public forum on the internet?
XXXXXXXXX:
yes if NO ONE knows its me
ME:
Your name will never be uttered from my lips or fingertips.
thanks, I'll get this fixed up and posted. You've been a great help.
XXXXXXXXX:
okay thank you
sure thing
thanks
ME:
bye!
XXXXXXX:
bye
This interview has been editted to protect the identity of the survivor and the interviewer.
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have you ever even ben on a ropes course? were you that kid that cried for mommy the second you climbed the ladder? were you that spoiled city girl that got to the "hard part", gave up, and were left dangling there crying untill you grew some balls and finished it? were you the the fattass that passed out on the zipline from terror, thinking you were gonna break the thing?
This is not your typical ropes course.
I worked for 3 years at a wilderness school, so I know what I'm talking about. It is dangerous for a child to participate in a ropes course element blindfolded. That is the issue.
There is also the issue of how CALO uses the ropes course, namely as a trust-building exercise. That certainly figures into the blindfolds as well. The whole alleged premise of CALO is to teach these kids how to have healthy interdependent relationships, and developing trust for others is a part of this.
What choice do you have when you're up there on the ropes with a blindfold on? CALO is forcing these kids to "trust"... much the same way Evergreen forces kids to "trust" while being smothered by their therapists. There's no getting away from them. Time-IN, not time-out, right?
What happens to the extreme introverts for whom such forced trust and closeness will never be natural? I fail to understand how coercion and pressure to move up in the levels can't help but impact some of these kids negatively in the long run.
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Jeeeezzz... I had that post written and forgot to post it earlier. Just now saw that INTERVIEW.
Ropes course as weapon in arsenal of mind-fuckery.
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Not to say this person is lying, but do we know that Sum Ting Wong isn't someone from CALO trying to make fornits look unreliable by posting something they wrote themselves?
I find it somewhat suspcisous.
Fem or psyborgue, do you know if this is legit?
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Not to say this person is lying, but do we know that Sum Ting Wong isn't someone from CALO trying to make fornits look unreliable by posting something they wrote themselves?
I find it somewhat suspcisous.
Fem or psyborgue, do you know if this is legit?
Well, it's highly unlikely that it is CALO, unless they've been sifting through fornits with a fine-toothed comb for the last couple of years (not likely). Sum Ting Wong is an occasional poster here.
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Why do people say such bad things about CALO?
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Not to say this person is lying, but do we know that Sum Ting Wong isn't someone from CALO trying to make fornits look unreliable by posting something they wrote themselves?
I find it somewhat suspcisous.
Fem or psyborgue, do you know if this is legit?
I can verify I know the OP and I'm certain they would not forge a survivor statement.
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