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Treatment Abuse, Behavior Modification, Thought Reform => The Troubled Teen Industry => Topic started by: Anonymous on June 04, 2009, 09:01:22 PM
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The following juveniles have been delivered to infantilist pedophiles at Change Academy, Lake of the Ozarks (CALO) with the consent of their parents or legal guardians.
It should be noted that none of the victims on this list are in any way culpable, as CALO is not a juvenile institution. These children were sent to be abused for no legal reason whatsoever. Their presence on this list is merely a testament to the vindictiveness or cluelessness of their parents or legal guardians and the deceptive marketing of CALO.
Anyone with contact information of any of the parents/legal guardians of the children on this list is strongly encouraged to post it.
[Redacted due to DMCA claim (http://http://www.fornits.com/phpbb/viewtopic.php?f=9&t=27785)]
This totals to 33 children being currently victimized.
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The following juveniles have been delivered to infantilist pedophiles at Change Academy, Lake of the Ozarks (CALO) with the consent of their parents or legal guardians.
It should be noted that none of the victims on this list are in any way culpable, as CALO is not a juvenile institution. These children were sent to be abused for no legal reason whatsoever. Their presence on this list is merely a testament to the vindictiveness or cluelessness of their parents or legal guardians and the deceptive marketing of CALO.
Anyone with contact information of any of the parents/legal guardians of the children on this list is strongly encouraged to post it.
[Redacted due to DMCA claim (http://http://www.fornits.com/phpbb/viewtopic.php?f=9&t=27785)]
This totals to 33 children being currently victimized.
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What is this, why I don't even............
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http://www.childrenintherapy.org/ (http://www.childrenintherapy.org/)
http://childtorture.wordpress.com/author/childtorture/ (http://childtorture.wordpress.com/author/childtorture/)
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The following juveniles have been delivered to infantilist pedophiles at Change Academy, Lake of the Ozarks (CALO) with the consent of their parents or legal guardians.
"attachment therapists" at CALO diaper and bottle-feed adopted teenagers
and do this: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FdDri7Bb8zE (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FdDri7Bb8zE) to them.
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There are times when I really do think that people who are heavily into attachment "therapy" have some kind of addiction to crisis-induced endorphins. They get off on it somehow. It's pretty damn sick, if you ask me...
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Prediction:
Some time from now one of the people who's name is listed above will find this thread while 'self googling' their own name.
What will they say? I have no idea, guess we will have to wait for them to post it.
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If I was one of the people on the list I'd want to know how the hell my name got put on the internet. My biggest question would be, "Which dumbass at CALO is violating my privacy?"
Kudos to the "dumbass" btw and I hope Ken Huey blows his O-ring once he figures out that more than likely one of his inner sanctum isn't what they seem.
Which is kind of ironic considering how much Nicole F. must have wanted to pull her hair out at Hidden Lake Academy over Clarke Poole's defection to our side and the fall out of having her emails showing her out to be a royal douchebag (Not that we needed to read anything by her to know she's a douchebag) plastered all over fornits.
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I'll just leave these here.
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OHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH KEN HUEY!!!! Enjoy!
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Significant events> I wonder if a restraint constitutes a "significant event?" I thought about that after reading the treatment plans. Ken Huey, you should be ashamed with yourself for covering up restraints where bent wrist control methods were used without justification.
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[Redacted due to DMCA claim (http://http://www.fornits.com/phpbb/viewtopic.php?f=9&t=27785)] had a visit from his grandmother; he took the keys from the stupid bitch and ran off in her car.
With luck, he will be gone forever from CALO and the current number of victims can be reduced to thirty-two.
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This is the current full internal list of staff. McDonald's is encouraged to use it as part of their blacklist when CALO closes down.
Albertson, Melissa
Ambrosi, Marion
Beasley, Shelly
Bowman, Chuck
Burnett, Bruce
Byler, Amanda
Childress, Jerry
Childress, Nikki
Claridge, Anna M.
Corado, Priscilla
Cottle, Caleb
Crawford, Kevin
Crawford, Meghan
Cummings, Michael
Deane, Connie C.
Distler, Katherine
Finley, Justin
Ford, Patrick R.
Fuglsang, Nicole
Garton, Yvonne
Gavette, Shellie
Gent, Rob
Gilbert, Marla
Gregory, James
Haley, Tony A.
Harris, Karen
Harris, Michelle A.
Hays, Coty
Higgins, David
Hood, Phyllis
Huey, Ken
Husty, Rachel
Ingram, Sandra
Isom, James
Ivey, Vicki
Jones, Christy
Jordan, Jeff
Juliano, Wayne
Kayser, Michelle
Kirk, Landon
Kogan, Amy
Kolar, Melissa
Kruse, Russ
Kucsik, Kimberly
Kuhn, Chad
Larson, John
Lawhead, Mike
Maher, Eric
Marr, Keith
Mayer, Abby
McAlpine, Clayton
McLindsay, Cory
Miller, Clinda
Moore, Andrew
Moseley, Michelle
Norris, Tim
Ogden, David
Osborn, Jeanna
Panlilio, Jennifer
Paynter, Michael
Perry, Alex
Peterson, Lauren
Porter, Tammy
Preylo, Brooke
Robinson, Jennifer
Rogers, Brian
Santiago, Jose
Schaefer, Sandra
Schnelting, Kurtis
See, Russell
Shepard, Kyle
Sinclair, Michael
Smith, Ruth
Tietmeyer, Michael
Townsend, Adriana
Trowbridge, James
Unger, Kathy
Vincent, Jordan
Vogt, Diana
Wagner, Chad A.
Wagner, Vicki
Watson, Paul
Wnorowski, Kasandra
Wood, Amber W.
Wright, Monica
Young, Phil R.
This totals to 86 active staff at CALO, creating a roughly 2.6 pedophile/child ratio.
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(http://http://www.roflcat.com/images/cats/270913946_efa38ec3d8.jpg)
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Tom Riley had a visit from his grandmother; he took the keys from the stupid bitch and ran off in her car.
Even tho the goal at CALO is to "help the students have humility and vulnerability during their treatment by creating a safe physical dependence on CALO staff."?
Impossible.
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I'll just leave these here.
Not sure I feel comfortable with those kids' treatment profiles being uploaded (not sure the kids would appreciate it given it can show up in a google search), but this is an unmoderated forum and as such, it's a matter for the courts.
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If you truly believe these children are innocent victims and being tortured, then you would not further victimize them by placing their treatment information on the web. They had no choice in being there and if you really cared you would remove such information immediately. If you believe that this place has no credibility, then you may also assume that there is misleading information in the records and yet this may now follow these kids forever. Please do not torture the kids any further.
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How could this information possibly be used for a worse purpose than it's being used for *right now*?
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Personally, for other reasons, I wouldn't mind seeing the names redacted. The treatment profiles themselves should remain as a testament to CALO's greed and corruption.
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A few notes on privacy:
This is not medical information or psychiatric, as CALO is neither of those institutions. This is not intended to expose anything about the kids in question, as these documents do not contain much factual information at all. They are false, and the "No serious incidents" is the biggest and most obvious lie. Any future employer, or private investigator, or whoever is taking notes: Those PDFs contain practically nothing but control-fetishistic make-believe, with diagnoses issued by people who have no business giving them.
One would think that this should be passing-obvious to anyone who reads this board.
The only factual information on those documents is their names and faces. I have unfortunate news for some of you: posting names and faces of people, even children, is not illegal. Similarly the source of information, (and I am loath to give this away, as it breaks some of the super-hacker mystique associated with using proxies), is in fact available to the public, and not protected in any way. CALO has left these documents to be read by anyone who pleases and knows where to look. No hacking or insider information required.
Posting these documents is the equivalent of an Amber Alert, which activates when young children are captured by pedophiles. This system is more limited, and only activates when parents send their children to pedophiles. This is all those documents mean: that the thirty-two children in question are in the custody of people who should not be allowed near children.
(But I'm going to leave Tom's up anyway. If he is apprehended it should go to his defense attorney, assuming he gets one.)
I cannot say what Psy or Ginger may do or what the courts may order them to do, but for me I will ignore all parent/guardian requests for removal as they are clearly not fit to be parents/guardians. The only conditions under which I will voluntarily remove the names and faces are if the victim in question requests that I do so, while not being coerced. Which, in this case, means not in the program or under threat of being sent back. Otherwise, they stay up, to be conveniently re-downloaded by anyone who wants a copy.
(I obviously can't control what the downloaders may do, but I would like to remind them again that the information CALO has issued relating to these three children is so completely false and defamatory that attempts to misuse it against the victims in question is strongly frowned upon by both the legal system and civil society, and may constitute fraud.)
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Well while I don't agree with everyone of your points I do thank you for pointing out that these documents are fabrications of a delusional cult that gets their deep seated urges off torturing and humiliating parents.
Maybe I need some couch time with a shrink or something but the only that comes to my mind is Ken Huey with a massive bulge in his pants doing some therapeutic torturing/touching. Certainly I do need a toilet, just thinking that made me want to hurl.
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Doh...
Swap out parents and replace it with children. For some reason I still can't edit my posts. Given some of the information I've heard about a letter being sent out to every single one of the parents explaining the depths of CALO's sadism, fraud, and pedo behavior and the parent's refusing to pull their children even after that letter I'm prone to think a good percentage of those parents are willing participants to torture, sadism, and child molestation as well.
Though for the parents I'm open to being convinced otherwise on a case by case basis.
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I cannot say what Psy or Ginger may do or what the courts may order them to do
Somebody wrote me. Here is their partial message and my response
I’m glad you took down the students names, that was a HIPA violation and a class D felony.
I didn't take down their names and won't unless there is either a request from the original poster or a court order. Personally, I find it disgusting, but it's the forum's policy to let the courts decide, for example, as to whether or not a law has been violate, whether a crime has actually been committed, or whether a statement is defamatory and actionable. The forum's management are not the arbitrators of justice. We consider that individual posters are responsible for what they write and nobody else. One reason (of many):
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Section_23 ... ecency_Act (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Section_230_of_the_Communications_Decency_Act)
If you have a solid legal reason that the posting should be taken down, you might consider responding to this post and appealing to the original poster ("well proxied"):
viewtopic.php?f=9&t=27613&start=15#p333096 (http://www.fornits.com/phpbb/viewtopic.php?f=9&t=27613&start=15#p333096)
If he is right that CALO is the one that has publicized this information, it's them who has violated a law. Perhaps the republisher shares some responsibility, but that's a matter for the courts to decide.
And I do find your actions disgusting, BTW. I realize why you might not think it harms anybody, but if a kid gets out and goes searching for a job, and if the employer finds this shit... who do you think they are going to believe? A "program that helps people" or some "fucked up troubled teen a.k.a 'nigger'". If you consider that the information being republished is, in fact, defamatory... what you are doing is knowingly spreading that defamatory information around for more to see (and without a disclaimer to that effect, i might add). Moreover, do you really want a kid's first experience with Fornits to be such an experience? Jesus...
Kids who were in programs have a right to hide their pasts and to remain anonymous if they choose to speak out... and you just took that away from them. It's embarrassing as it is to have been in a program, even if it wasn't your choice, your parents sent you there, or you were tricked into going. There may not be any reason to be ashamed, but the shame is still there. If you ever want them to get rid of that shame, introducing them to Fornits like this is not the right way. Nobody should be dragged into speaking here and nobody should be dragged into a fight they didn't choose. I wish it on nobody.
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How could this information possibly be used for a worse purpose than it's being used for *right now*?
I agree. And if these people are being tortured, there is nothing negative that can be garnered from their names being public that is not outweighed by anything positive. Honesltly, in another 10 years, when they are looking for jobs, if their names are somehow traced to this forum, which is very very unlikely considering how common names are, well, there is no shame in being a torture victim 10 years in the past. In fact, maybe their name linked to their torture will help concerned people understand why they've commited suicide, cannot function, etc, and a case will be put in place for prosecution of the torturers. Thanks for posting these names!
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You are mightily deceived if you think you can post confidential information about minors or vulnerable populations (names, treatment information) without repercussions. These need to be removed immediately.
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You are mightily deceived if you think you can post confidential information about minors or vulnerable populations (names, treatment information) without repercussions. These need to be removed immediately.
yAy anonymous legal threats! Hence, the name "well proxied," I assume.
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This one was forwarded to me a couple of days ago, but I didn't have the stomach to repost it. Everyone got their barf bags handy?
This morning I had Jen S. and Kyra for an hour of Regroup in the kitchen. During this time I was training staff as well by reading and discussing The Regroup Training Curriculum. As we discussed the issues, I could see that Kyra was listening intently. I didn’t mind, as there is no sensitive information in this training.
A short time later Kyra interrupted by saying “Joe, I appreciate you.” We aren’t allowed to talk/process with the students on Regroup, so my only response was “There’s the proof that Regroup works!” Later, during the processing phase of the Regroup experience, I asked her why she would make such a statement when I had just made her lie on her stomach and scrub the greasy floor under the stove, fryer, and oven. Her response was “I’m glad I can count on your tough love.”
Times like these are few and far between for any of us here at CALO. It’s statements like this that carry us from one great moment, through the emotional battery, and on to the next by filling us with a true sense of pride in what we do.
I bet it does, you sick fuck.
James J. Gregory
Night Shift Lead
Regroup/Campus Work Supervisor
Change Academy of Lake Ozark
573-690-7144
This email message is for the sole use of the intended recipients(s) and may contain confidential, proprietary or privileged information. Any unauthorized use, disclosure or distribution is prohibited. If you are not the intended recipient, please reply to the sender by e-mail and destroy/delete all copies of the original message, enclosures and attachments.
Haha, not confidential anymore bitch.
Also, 1000 Internets to anyone who finds Mary Awantong's phone number or email address before Monday.
bbl, puking
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Re: List of children being currently tortured at CALO
Sent: Thu Jun 11, 2009 3:33 pm
From: guest1234
To: Che Gookin
Subject: List of children being currently tortured at CALO
Che Gookin wrote:What is this, why I don't even............
I highly recommend that the significant HIPPA violations that are posted in this thread are removed immediately or the poster and the site will be prosecuted. This confidential information does nothing but create a lose-lose. This is not an idle threat. Legal action will be taken if the confidential information is not removed.
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Threatening me with something I have no control over is pointless. I'm not the well proxied individual. I didn't post the torture/sadism plans. I had no part of the decision or thought process involved with that decision either.
My suggestion is to direct your threats towards the person behind the well proxied identity.
I can tell you only two things about him/her.
He's anonymous..
and he'll nevar 4get.
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TO THE SITE ADMINISTRATOR:
My child's name is listed under children getting treatment at CALO. You are free to state your negative opinion of CALO and its methods, however you have NO right to violate our privacy by listing the name of someone receiving mental health treatment. In fact, it is against the law.
May I please have your (administrator's) email address, and the name and email address of the person who posted the names, so we might communicate privately?
Susan
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http://www.childrenintherapy.org/
http://childtorture.wordpress.com/author/childtorture/ (http://childtorture.wordpress.com/author/childtorture/)
Neither one of the links refer to CALO, and at CALO they DO NOT diaper and bottle feed the kids.
Where did you get your information??
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http://www.childrenintherapy.org/
http://childtorture.wordpress.com/author/childtorture/ (http://childtorture.wordpress.com/author/childtorture/)
Neither one of the links refer to CALO, and at CALO they DO NOT diaper and bottle feed the kids.
Where did you get your information??
That was one of the trolls. We have many of them here. The original poster "well proxied", on the other hand, was exaggerating with "infantilist pedophiles" but he doesn't seem to be far off the mark. They advertise as practicing "attachment therapy", which is what those links are to. http://www.fornits.com/phpbb/viewtopic. ... 51#p332051 (http://www.fornits.com/phpbb/viewtopic.php?p=332051#p332051) shows how much CALO likes attachment therapy, which has been debunked by the American Psychological Association.
Do you honestly expect the admins to know the name and email address of a guy calling himself "well proxied"?
If you believe that CALO falls under HIPAA, go read what constitutes a "covered entity" under HIPAA and what doesn't.
Also, Ken Huey DEFINITELY won't want a prosecution on THAT one, because if CALO is covered under HIPAA and "well proxied" isn't lying when he says he found the information in public, then that puts repercussions on HIM.
If your child has actual mental problems, why isn't he/she in a REAL mental institution, one where HIPAA and other laws relating to actual treatment (which this clearly is not, despite the made-up diagnosis crap) apply?
And if he/she doesn't actually have anything to be institutionalized for, why the FUCK did you do it?
There might- just might- be a reason behind Fornits. And you just might want to look into what that reason could be.
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http://www.childrenintherapy.org/
http://childtorture.wordpress.com/author/childtorture/ (http://childtorture.wordpress.com/author/childtorture/)
Neither one of the links refer to CALO, and at CALO they DO NOT diaper and bottle feed the kids.
Where did you get your information??
That was one of the trolls. We have many of them here. The original poster "well proxied", on the other hand, was exaggerating with "infantilist pedophiles" but he doesn't seem to be far off the mark. They advertise as practicing "attachment therapy", which is what those links are to. viewtopic.php?p=332051#p332051 (http://www.fornits.com/phpbb/viewtopic.php?p=332051#p332051) shows how much CALO likes attachment therapy, which has been debunked by the American Psychological Association.
Do you honestly expect the admins to know the name and email address of a guy calling himself "well proxied"?
If you believe that CALO falls under HIPAA, go read what constitutes a "covered entity" under HIPAA and what doesn't.
Also, Ken Huey DEFINITELY won't want a prosecution on THAT one, because if CALO is covered under HIPAA and "well proxied" isn't lying when he says he found the information in public, then that puts repercussions on HIM.
If your child has actual mental problems, why isn't he/she in a REAL mental institution, one where HIPAA and other laws relating to actual treatment (which this clearly is not, despite the made-up diagnosis crap) apply?
And if he/she doesn't actually have anything to be institutionalized for, why the FUCK did you do it?
There might- just might- be a reason behind Fornits. And you just might want to look into what that reason could be.
I am sure that there is much truth behind allegations against any number of places - those youtube videos show some seriously screwed up things out there. So bravo when abuse is uncovered and prosecuted.
"Infantilist pedophiles" sounds like an accusation and not "exaggeration." Are you assuming that all who call their practices "attachment therapy" are child abusers? Because of some wierdos in Evergreen, Colorado? Doesn't make sense to me. And by the way, I don't see the problem with the handbook you gave a link to, but I guess I am the only one really reading or watching these links. But like someone said earlier, the allegations and any infractions of the law are up to the prosecutors and the lawyers...
I am not really interested in debating with you about why or how my child ended up at CALO, or, for that matter the merits of CALO...my point is that I do object when my child's civil rights are violated by exposing private medical information. And contrary to what someone said earlier, the platform for illegal actions bears some of the responsibility for those actions. Witness recent high profile cases involving Ebay, Craigslist, and others. Perhaps that is why the site administrator here is anonymous?
I see you are a "Guest" on this forum, but the registration process on most responsible sites would require an email address, right? And this Administrator knows his own email address, correct? So conceivably those could be made available. And why can't the ones pointing the finger go public about who they are and the grounds for their allegations? Inquiring minds want to know...
S.
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http://www.childrenintherapy.org/
http://childtorture.wordpress.com/author/childtorture/ (http://childtorture.wordpress.com/author/childtorture/)
Neither one of the links refer to CALO, and at CALO they DO NOT diaper and bottle feed the kids.
Where did you get your information??
That was one of the trolls. We have many of them here. The original poster "well proxied", on the other hand, was exaggerating with "infantilist pedophiles" but he doesn't seem to be far off the mark. They advertise as practicing "attachment therapy", which is what those links are to. http://www.fornits.com/phpbb/viewtopic. ... 51#p332051 (http://www.fornits.com/phpbb/viewtopic.php?p=332051#p332051) shows how much CALO likes attachment therapy, which has been debunked by the American Psychological Association.
Do you honestly expect the admins to know the name and email address of a guy calling himself "well proxied"?
If you believe that CALO falls under HIPAA, go read what constitutes a "covered entity" under HIPAA and what doesn't.
Also, Ken Huey DEFINITELY won't want a prosecution on THAT one, because if CALO is covered under HIPAA and "well proxied" isn't lying when he says he found the information in public, then that puts repercussions on HIM.
If your child has actual mental problems, why isn't he/she in a REAL mental institution, one where HIPAA and other laws relating to actual treatment (which this clearly is not, despite the made-up diagnosis crap) apply?
And if he/she doesn't actually have anything to be institutionalized for, why the FUCK did you do it?
There might- just might- be a reason behind Fornits. And you just might want to look into what that reason could be.
I am sure that there is much truth behind allegations against any number of places - those youtube videos show some seriously screwed up things out there. So bravo when abuse is uncovered and prosecuted.
"Infantilist pedophiles" sounds like an accusation and not "exaggeration." Are you assuming that all who call their practices "attachment therapy" are child abusers? Because of some wierdos in Evergreen, Colorado? Doesn't make sense to me. And by the way, I don't see the problem with the handbook you gave a link to, but I guess I am the only one really reading or watching these links. But like someone said earlier, the allegations and any infractions of the law are up to the prosecutors and the lawyers...
I am not really interested in debating with you about why or how my child ended up at CALO, or, for that matter the merits of CALO...my point is that I do object when my child's civil rights are violated by exposing private medical information. And contrary to what someone said earlier, the platform for illegal actions bears some of the responsibility for those actions. Witness recent high profile cases involving Ebay, Craigslist, and others. Perhaps that is why the site administrator here is anonymous?
I see you are a "Guest" on this forum, but the registration process on most responsible sites would require an email address, right? And this Administrator knows his own email address, correct? So conceivably those could be made available. And why can't the ones pointing the finger go public about who they are and the grounds for their allegations? Inquiring minds want to know...
S.
You had a human being imprisoned, without due process or habeas corpus and held incommunicado in an environment which has no oversight protecting him/her from torture or quackery and you are concerned about the civil rights abuses involved in having his name on this forum? Could a person be so obtuse?
More likely, you are embarrassed about what you have done becoming part of the public record.
Many have tried to sue fornits and failed. If you do try, your name will be even more associated with what many would consider imprisonment, torture, and a parents hideous, selfish betrayal of their own kid.
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Oh, grow up, Guest! You obviously don't know anything - you just THINK you know!
By the way, my name is Susan, what's yours?
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TO THE SITE ADMINISTRATOR:
My child's name is listed under children getting treatment at CALO. You are free to state your negative opinion of CALO and its methods, however you have NO right to violate our privacy by listing the name of someone receiving mental health treatment. In fact, it is against the law.
May I please have your (administrator's) email address, and the name and email address of the person who posted the names, so we might communicate privately?
Susan
So... Maminka, why exactly did you choose to put your child at CALO? What kind of "mental health treatment" do you expect your child to be receiving at CALO?
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TO THE SITE ADMINISTRATOR:
My child's name is listed under children getting treatment at CALO. You are free to state your negative opinion of CALO and its methods, however you have NO right to violate our privacy by listing the name of someone receiving mental health treatment. In fact, it is against the law.
May I please have your (administrator's) email address, and the name and email address of the person who posted the names, so we might communicate privately?
Susan
You may have my email address, sure. Psyborgue@mac.com . May be you have the poster's name/ip address? Not without a subpoena. Sorry.
I don't agree with what the poster did and frankly I find it disgusting, but unless a law has been violated, and by violated I mean judged in court as such, nothing on this site ever gets removed.
Why? many reasons. I'd be happy to explain in email or on the phone.
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Witness recent high profile cases involving Ebay, Craigslist, and others. Perhaps that is why the site administrator here is anonymous?
The site's owner is Ginger Mcnulty. You can PM her as "Antigen" She would be the Supreme Court here so if you don't like my decision, you can appeal to her.
The site's administrator is me, Michael Crawford. You can PM me, contact me via email at http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Section_23 ... ecency_Act (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Section_230_of_the_Communications_Decency_Act)
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Section_23 ... pplication (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Section_230_of_the_Communications_Decency_Act#Application)
See. Frankly, I don't know whether a law has been violated. You can argue it, but how can I be sure of it unless it is judged as such in court and upheld on any appeal. Lots of people come on here and say "you said a bad word about me, that's illegal" when it clearly isn't. Either way, it's not my place to say. That's a matter for the courts.
Threats won't work well here. You get more with honey. If you want to talk about this, go ahead and call my cell and I can further explain the rationale behind the forum's policies.
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I don't agree with what the poster did and frankly I find it disgusting,.
I think its fantastic. When being imprisoned and tortured in my own "specialty school" for "kids with emotional problems", i would have loved for any guard to have cared enough about my welfare enough to advocate for me by posting my name and some documents hinting at my torturous and invalid"treatment."
Already, the disgusting, abusive, negligent people who call themselves parents of these kids are coming out of the woodwork, and having to take stock of the crime they have committed (though they rationalize it).
Perhaps someone who actually cares about these imprisoned, helpless kids might take up their cause, now that they know what became of them. With any luck, now that it is public what “Susan" and the other “parents” have done, they will be ostracized by her community. Perhaps even lynched. The world will be a better place.
Susan, here's to hoping that something as horrible is done to you, as you have done to your kid.
:cheers: :cheers: :cheers:
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errr... Personally I hope this rather different point of view from the standard CALO kool aid is enough to rock these folks out of their secluded little worlds. I certainly don't hope anything bad happens to them, well that is unless they persist on keeping their children at this torture camp. If that is the case my fullest desire is that a collective rash of high altitude piano moving accidents happens.
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Witness recent high profile cases involving Ebay, Craigslist, and others. Perhaps that is why the site administrator here is anonymous?
The site's owner is Ginger Mcnulty. You can PM her as "Antigen" She would be the Supreme Court here so if you don't like my decision, you can appeal to her.
The site's administrator is me, Michael Crawford. You can PM me, contact me via email at http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Section_23 ... ecency_Act (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Section_230_of_the_Communications_Decency_Act)
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Section_23 ... pplication (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Section_230_of_the_Communications_Decency_Act#Application)
See. Frankly, I don't know whether a law has been violated. You can argue it, but how can I be sure of it unless it is judged as such in court and upheld on any appeal. Lots of people come on here and say "you said a bad word about me, that's illegal" when it clearly isn't. Either way, it's not my place to say. That's a matter for the courts.
Threats won't work well here. You get more with honey. If you want to talk about this, go ahead and call my cell and I can further explain the rationale behind the forum's policies.
Thanks for the info, Psy. No threats intended, just pointing to precedents that we have all heard about lately. (In any case, I am quite reasonable and polite, compared with many of your posters who besides breaking the law are crude and offensive.) Anyway, when we know something is wrong, why allow it? Does everything need to wait until someone takes a specific incident to court and gets a "ruling?"
Many insurance companies, by the way, would agree with your notion of sharing freely private medical and other personal information (for their own gain) - I, for one, vigorously disagree. Oh, and you can post your opinion about me all day long, that's not the point. (Although I might take exception if you called me a pedophile - that is a serious criminal accusation and one could argue that it, indeed, could be considered libel.) Just don't print private medical information.
Interesting links - and as you know the law and its application are ever-evolving with regard to the Internet. With regard to the wikipedia citation: "Section 230 of the Communications Decency Act of 1996 (a common name for Title V of the Telecommunications Act of 1996) is a landmark piece of Internet legislation in the United States, codified at 47 U.S.C. § 230. Section 230(c)(1) provides immunity from liability for providers and users of an "interactive computer service" who publish information provided by others..." it goes on to cases where immunity was rejected in the U.S. Supreme Court. Of course this Act in no way applies to other countries, (including the other country where I hold legal residency.)
FInally, these might be of interest: http://www.freedomtodiffer.com/freedom_ ... ums-r.html (http://www.freedomtodiffer.com/freedom_to_differ/2008/01/i-hate-forums-r.html)
http://www.citmedialaw.org/legal-guide/ ... vate-facts (http://www.citmedialaw.org/legal-guide/publication-private-facts)
"Section 230 explicitly exempts from its coverage criminal law, communications privacy law, and "intellectual property claims." http://www.citmedialaw.org/legal-guide/ ... ecency-act (http://www.citmedialaw.org/legal-guide/immunity-online-publishers-under-communications-decency-act)
Susan
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It is believed by some in the CALO survivors community that this "Susan" is actually the wife of a CALO staff member.
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It is believed by some in the CALO survivors community that this "Susan" is actually the wife of a CALO staff member.
:|) Interesting that your community should be gossiping about me, Comrade Che...
Now, should I be offended that they not believe that I am actually a staff member rather than a mere "wife?" ;)
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Getting trolled by the spouses of Staff members has happened before, which is why it sounds all the more believable. If you aren't this person's wife you can easily verify it by pulling your child out of this pit.
Once you do sit your child down with a bit of paper and have them record every single abusive act they witnessed. After which have them call the state of Missouri DCF abuse report hotline. It is anonymous, and MR. RED FLAG TOUCHES/Ken Huey can't sue you or your family for making a report.
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Getting trolled by the spouses of Staff members has happened before, which is why it sounds all the more believable. If you aren't this person's wife you can easily verify it by pulling your child out of this pit.
Once you do sit your child down with a bit of paper and have them record every single abusive act they witnessed. After which have them call the state of Missouri DCF abuse report hotline. It is anonymous, and MR. RED FLAG TOUCHES/Ken Huey can't sue you or your family for making a report.
Why would I do that? I like the place and think they do a great job...
And which person's wife are you talking about? You make no sense.
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Maminka are you a shift leader at CALO? Please discuss. I smell a CALO troll.
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Maminka are you a shift leader at CALO? Please discuss. I smell a fornits troll.
Are you Santa Claus' grandmother?
And what exactly IS a troll, anyway? Isn't this forum supposed to be open to everyone? Or is there a particular political or social criterion that has to be met?
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TO THE SITE ADMINISTRATOR:
My child's name is listed under children getting treatment at CALO. You are free to state your negative opinion of CALO and its methods, however you have NO right to violate our privacy by listing the name of someone receiving mental health treatment. In fact, it is against the law.
May I please have your (administrator's) email address, and the name and email address of the person who posted the names, so we might communicate privately?
Susan
So... Maminka, why exactly did you choose to put your child at CALO? What kind of "mental health treatment" do you expect your child to be receiving at CALO?
Bear BUMP...
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Maminka are you a shift leader at CALO? Please discuss. I smell a fornits troll.
Are you Santa Claus' grandmother?
And what exactly IS a troll, anyway? Isn't this forum supposed to be open to everyone? Or is there a particular political or social criterion that has to be met?
And what exactly IS a troll, anyway?
Troll
From Encyclopedia Dramatica
A troll, most commonly encountered on the internet, is any person who purposely causes controversy in a web community and disrupts shit for his own amusement. The term probably derives from "trolling" or "trawling", a style of fishing which involves trailing bait through a likely spot hoping for a bite. Troll is fine as a verb since trawling/trolling for comments and flames is innate troll behavior. Trolling is not to be confused with the gay slang verb "to troll", which means to trawl for anal sex, unless of course it's done by Perverted Justice.
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Maminka are you a shift leader at CALO? Please discuss. I smell a fornits troll.
Are you Santa Claus' grandmother?
And what exactly IS a troll, anyway? Isn't this forum supposed to be open to everyone? Or is there a particular political or social criterion that has to be met?
And what exactly IS a troll, anyway?
Troll
From Encyclopedia Dramatica
A troll, most commonly encountered on the internet, is any person who purposely causes controversy in a web community and disrupts shit for his own amusement. The term probably derives from "trolling" or "trawling", a style of fishing which involves trailing bait through a likely spot hoping for a bite. Troll is fine as a verb since trawling/trolling for comments and flames is innate troll behavior. Trolling is not to be confused with the gay slang verb "to troll", which means to trawl for anal sex, unless of course it's done by Perverted Justice.
OK - thanks for the definition.
Oh well, it seems like this forum is controversial anyway and in any case, doesn't seem like a "community" in the sense of "joiners" and non-joiners.
But anyway, I didn't start this shit, well proxied did by LISTING THE DAMN NAMES...
(so I guess I'm not a troll)
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TO THE SITE ADMINISTRATOR:
My child's name is listed under children getting treatment at CALO. You are free to state your negative opinion of CALO and its methods, however you have NO right to violate our privacy by listing the name of someone receiving mental health treatment. In fact, it is against the law.
May I please have your (administrator's) email address, and the name and email address of the person who posted the names, so we might communicate privately?
Susan
So... Maminka, why exactly did you choose to put your child at CALO? What kind of "mental health treatment" do you expect your child to be receiving at CALO?
Bear BUMP...
It's OK Urso, I got the contact info for psy - of course well proxied doesn't wish to reveal himself...And why not, since s/he is so proud of himself? Dunno.
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Because Well Proxied is fighting the internet version of guerrilla warfare from what I can tell. He/She is going to strike where CALO is most vulnerable as often as he/she can.
Well Proxied anonymity is the key to their approach. Revealing their identity concedes the battlefield to CALO.
Judging from the vehemence illustrated by well proxied I'd say ceding the field to CALO isn't on their agenda.
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Because Well Proxied is fighting the internet version of guerrilla warfare from what I can tell. He/She is going to strike where CALO is most vulnerable as often as he/she can.
Well Proxied anonymity is the key to their approach. Revealing their identity concedes the battlefield to CALO.
Judging from the vehemence illustrated by well proxied I'd say ceding the field to CALO isn't on their agenda.
Right. Well proxied sounds like a royal asshole. And I'll bet it's a he, judging by the testosterone-fueled aggressiveness of his approach.
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I've never met Well Proxied so I have no idea to their gender or assholishness. However, I'd suggest calling him/her something more fitting.
/b/-tard..
it has that ring of truth to it.
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Mapinga,
What does Komunistická strana ?eskoslovenska mean?
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TO THE SITE ADMINISTRATOR:
My child's name is listed under children getting treatment at CALO. You are free to state your negative opinion of CALO and its methods, however you have NO right to violate our privacy by listing the name of someone receiving mental health treatment. In fact, it is against the law.
May I please have your (administrator's) email address, and the name and email address of the person who posted the names, so we might communicate privately?
Susan
So... Maminka, why exactly did you choose to put your child at CALO? What kind of "mental health treatment" do you expect your child to be receiving at CALO?
Bear BUMP...
It's OK Urso, I got the contact info for psy - of course well proxied doesn't wish to reveal himself...And why not, since s/he is so proud of himself? Dunno.
The highlighted portion was what I was seeking an honest answer to. These were not facetious or loaded questions. Again:
So... Maminka, why exactly did you choose to put your child at CALO? What kind of "mental health treatment" do you expect your child to be receiving at CALO?[/list]
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Mapinga,
What does Komunistická strana ?eskoslovenska mean?
ha! babelfish can tell you that but it is the Czech Communist Party - why, do you have some memorabilia?
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Lol, Bob go to bed you silly assed Cracker. I'll talk to you later. Maybe I'll let you beat my ass in Dominos again.
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Mapinga,
What does Komunistická strana ?eskoslovenska mean?
ha! babelfish can tell you that but it is the Czech Communist Party - why, do you have some memorabilia?
memorabilia:
(http://http://www.flagsonstamps.info/czechS2571-3.jpg)
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TO THE SITE ADMINISTRATOR:
My child's name is listed under children getting treatment at CALO. You are free to state your negative opinion of CALO and its methods, however you have NO right to violate our privacy by listing the name of someone receiving mental health treatment. In fact, it is against the law.
May I please have your (administrator's) email address, and the name and email address of the person who posted the names, so we might communicate privately?
Susan
So... Maminka, why exactly did you choose to put your child at CALO? What kind of "mental health treatment" do you expect your child to be receiving at CALO?
Bear BUMP...
It's OK Urso, I got the contact info for psy - of course well proxied doesn't wish to reveal himself...And why not, since s/he is so proud of himself? Dunno.
The highlighted portion was what I was seeking an honest answer to. These were not facetious or loaded questions. Again:
So... Maminka, why exactly did you choose to put your child at CALO? What kind of "mental health treatment" do you expect your child to be receiving at CALO?[/list]
I think they probably are loaded questions. In any case, I don't choose to give you our life stories here in a public forum and besides, it would take too long. Suffice to say that I believe it is a good placement; he seems happier than I have seen him in a long, long time and it is now possible to have a conversation with him. He has learned to practice some kindness and responsibility. Etc. So, take that with a grain of salt, if you like, but I'm not here to debate or defend it.
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When did your child leave Czechoslovakia?
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Mapinga,
What does Komunistická strana ?eskoslovenska mean?
ha! babelfish can tell you that but it is the Czech Communist Party - why, do you have some memorabilia?
memorabilia:
(http://http://www.flagsonstamps.info/czechS2571-3.jpg)
Nice stamps - yes, anyway KSC means Czech Communist Party and the one on the right commemorates 60 years of its existence...
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When did your child leave Czechoslovakia?
We left as a family, about 6 years ago.
Say Bob, I am going to hit the sack - have to go to work in the morning.
Gnite!
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Thanks for the info, Psy. No threats intended, just pointing to precedents that we have all heard about lately. (In any case, I am quite reasonable and polite, compared with many of your posters who besides breaking the law are crude and offensive.) Anyway, when we know something is wrong, why allow it?
Because in order to preserve free speech on this forum, everything needs due process. Although I certainly do not agree with "well proxied" republishing the information, It's not my decision to make as to whether or not it's unacceptable. Essentially, this forum defers to the courts on first amendment matters. We try not to take sides and remain neutral. Think of this forum as a very large piece of paper. We're not responsible for what people write on it.
Many insurance companies, by the way, would agree with your notion of sharing freely private medical and other personal information (for their own gain) - I, for one, vigorously disagree.
Well. I disagree with what they do and agree with you.
(Although I might take exception if you called me a pedophile - that is a serious criminal accusation and one could argue that it, indeed, could be considered libel.) Just don't print private medical information.
Well. Not that I agree with what "well proxied" did, but there are several arguments here. The first is that the information was not originally published by "well proxied" on this forum, but by CALO. The second is that since CALO is not technically a medical facility, the records are not medical in nature. If they were, CALO, and not "well proxied" would certainly bear the brunt of any HIPAA penalties.
FInally, these might be of interest: http://www.freedomtodiffer.com/freedom_ ... ums-r.html (http://www.freedomtodiffer.com/freedom_to_differ/2008/01/i-hate-forums-r.html)
http://www.citmedialaw.org/legal-guide/ ... vate-facts (http://www.citmedialaw.org/legal-guide/publication-private-facts)
"Section 230 explicitly exempts from its coverage criminal law, communications privacy law, and "intellectual property claims." http://www.citmedialaw.org/legal-guide/ ... ecency-act (http://www.citmedialaw.org/legal-guide/immunity-online-publishers-under-communications-decency-act)
Susan
Could be. Doe vs. Myspace held that section 230 applied to privacy of minors... And HIPAA may apply to CALO but certainly not to any republisher (i have not read the law so I do not know for sure)... But it's a matter for the courts to decide. From my perspective, I have no idea whether what was published was illegal or not. Whether or not I find it disgusting or offensive (i do) is irrelevant. That by itself is not enough to warrant removal. Nothing on this site gets removed without a court order.
Sometimes it makes things difficult, but it would be a slippery slope of we suddenly started making exceptions.
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Why would I do that? I like the place and think they do a great job...
Do you have first hand knowledge of that or second hand based on reports from staff and/or monitored phone calls with your kid?
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When did your child leave Czechoslovakia?
We left as a family, about 6 years ago.
Say Bob, I am going to hit the sack - have to go to work in the morning.
Gnite!
I used to work at Eckerd Youth Alternatives years ago. Whereas I am no longer working for them now.
Staff omitted details from incident reports when physical restraints violated company policy and applicable law(s). This is commonplace in facilities. It was commonplace for staff to provoke restraints. They would seize an opportunity to physically restrain a child, control them, rather than deal with the underlying problem in a non-abusive manner. I have witnessed 5 staff restrain a child, power slams, a Program Director in Training shake a child and my Program Director physically restrain a child in the dining hall during meal time.
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Why would I do that? I like the place and think they do a great job...
Do you have first hand knowledge of that or second hand based on reports from staff and/or monitored phone calls with your kid?
First hand, Psy.
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Why would I do that? I like the place and think they do a great job...
Do you have first hand knowledge of that or second hand based on reports from staff and/or monitored phone calls with your kid?
First hand, Psy.
So you're there 24/7 with your kid?
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Mapinka,
Have you ever made an unannounced visit to CALO?
Sincerely,
Bob Peterson
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Mapinka,
Has your child been restrained at CALO? If so, did you read the restraint report?
Sincerely,
Bob Peterson
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Mapinka,
Does staff read your child's mail at CALO?
Sincerely,
Bob Peterson
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Mapinka,
What consequences did your child receive at CALO for rule violations?
Sincerely,
Bob Peterson
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Why would I do that? I like the place and think they do a great job...
Do you have first hand knowledge of that or second hand based on reports from staff and/or monitored phone calls with your kid?
First hand, Psy.
So you're there 24/7 with your kid?
Wow. Keep fishing, Psy...
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In my humble opinion, Maminka knows very little about what her child is going through at CALO. She cannot answer simple questions I posted due to lack of knowledge. This is commonplace amongst parents because they assume the said school is looking out for their child's interests.
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Why would I do that? I like the place and think they do a great job...
Do you have first hand knowledge of that or second hand based on reports from staff and/or monitored phone calls with your kid?
First hand, Psy.
So you're there 24/7 with your kid?
Wow. Keep fishing, Psy...
Although I cannot honestly speak for Psy, I wasn't under the impression that he was fishing for anything. It's seems to me (and I may well be wrong), that he was merely trying to point out that staff behavior towards your child while you are there is, more often than not, very different from staff behavior towards your child when you are absent.
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Although I cannot honestly speak for Psy, I wasn't under the impression that he was fishing for anything. It's seems to me (and I may well be wrong), that he was merely trying to point out that staff behavior towards your child while you are there is, more often than not, very different from staff behavior towards your child when you are absent.
More or less, but it seems by her response she is not willing to consider any other possibility than what she "knows". Frankly, I don't know much about CALO, but I do know how many other not-so-nice programs have operated in the past and was simply trying to determine whether or not there is a possibility CALO could be among that group; basically trying to see how many red-flags CALO raises... a bit like ISACcorp's warning signs:
http://www.isaccorp.org/warningsigns.asp (http://www.isaccorp.org/warningsigns.asp)
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Yes. They are infantilist pedophiles. And the same applies to all the staff, although some of them may cease being infantilist pedophiles when they quit. If I went around doing what these people do to children, out on the street, I would be promptly put in jail and "Someone told me to do it" would not be a defense. Has anyone else ever heard of this place called "Nuremberg"?
http://caloteens.com/therapeuticModel.aspx (http://caloteens.com/therapeuticModel.aspx)
The therapist is focused on having the student become vulnerable and humble enough to accept the care and love of adults and subsequently see the value of trusting caregivers.
Help the students have humility and vulnerability during their treatment by creating a safe physical dependence on CALO staff
What in God's name do you think this actually means? I can give you lots of links to teenagers forced to be vulnerable and humble. Only thing is, we call this "child porn" where I'm from, you can find it on certain Russian websites, and it's very, very illegal.
But I refuse to make more posts without info, so I'll go ahead and post this:
http://fornits.com/phpbb/viewtopic.php?f=9&t=27613
I bet Ken Huey hasn't told you about this, has he? He already knows. Why didn't he tell you your name was on the Internet as a pedophile, right along with the kids' names and some monthly summaries? He's got a pet monkey doing damage control but against Fornits it's like sending a chihuahua to fight off a tank.
Surprised? Be more surprised: Turns out your incident reports aren't confidential either and have been reported to various agencies. The DCF is receiving quite a lot of reports at once right now by ex-"students" who are starting to wake up and realize just what it is you've done to them. Ken will throw you under the bus if DCF finds that these have any merit, or maybe even if they don't. "It was just a few bad apples, we got rid of them". Them, of course, being whatever staff he decides he doesn't like. Generally, in an investigation of any kind it's better to throw your lot in with the investigators before they come crashing down.
Maybe working for a place advertised as making teenagers helpless and vulnerable wasn't the wisest career path after all. Who could have guessed? Maybe good fap material, not so good for real life.
Of course it's also possible that I work there too, just realized what I've gotten involved in, and am having someone else rewrite my communication to hide the fact that it's me. You'll never know.
Sincerely,
well proxied
What I got back:
Hello everyone,
We do have a staff meeting this Friday and will talk about the email you received tonight. In the interim I will be attempting to speak with you as a shift at the shift change over the next few days. If you can come in early for the evening shift and stay just a bit late after the morning I will make myself or an LT member available for questions.
As I noted in the email (from just a bit earlier tonight) about the person calling themselves “well proxied,” we don’t want to click on this person’s link because we do not want to drive traffic to their site.
Really? That's the reason you don't want staff coming here? Because of some remote possibility that their visits might nudge Fornits' hit count up that much little bit more? Or is it because you just don't want staff seeing what's on this site period without your supervision? (Staff? Are you adults or what?)
That is one of the goals. Another is to stir up our staff and upset what we are trying to accomplish at CALO. When we are all together on Friday I will pull up the entire thread from this blog and we can read it all at once and therefore not drive traffic to this site.
My God. Staff are apparently not adults to him. You can't read Fornits on your own, you need Daddy Ken to read it to you. How do you possibly tolerate this without firing off resumes on a daily basis? It's my understanding that there are some ex-military on staff. This guy is not your CO or your XO! Nobody promoted him to any position of authority, he promoted himself. The only stripes this guy deserves are prison stripes. This is civilian land and there is nothing stopping you from walking out on this shit.
Here's another question for the staff: How many of the psychological tricks he's trained you to use on the kids, is Ken Huey using on YOU?
That said, I would like you to have some background so you are up to speed. The intent was to talk about this all together during staff meeting this week but this format works as well. Here is the brief rundown:
Last week, well proxied posted the names of 33 of our current or former students. He also posted the treatment team summaries of three students. He then posted the names of all of you and called you pedophiles who would be working at McDonalds eventually.
This is false- staff, I said that McDonald's should blacklist you. There are a lot of teenagers who work there and I don't want you anywhere near them.
Finally, he posted an incident report from Joe G. He did this while claiming he is trying to help save our kids. In reality he is just very very angry at me and hates all residential treatment. Could be a former staff member. Could be a kid who didn’t like residential. It is certainly someone who is filled with hatred of all we do and stand for.
I'll quote that last again:
It is certainly someone who is filled with hatred of all we do and stand for.
I cannot possibly imagine what ever could give you that idea. I wonder how you could come up with such a thing. Well, you do and stand for this:
Help the students have humility and vulnerability during their treatment by creating a safe physical dependence on CALO staff
So I'm pretty sure it's justified.
Well proxied has figured out at least one of your passwords and is accessing email from offsite and looking at all that goes on. He is reading this email just like you are. You would do well to change your password to one that is 8 characters or more long and has both alpha and numeric characters in it so that you are not the one supplying well proxied with information.
It's worse than that. The account had no password at all. Want to know what we call an account without a password? That's right. We call it public. We call it 'they didn't even bother to put security on it and so anyone could just go on in and read it and get whatever they felt like'. I didn't even have to break in, his webserver just handed it to me. I gave the path to a douche who didn't want it and he gave it to 4chan.
I would recommend that you do not respond directly to well proxied as the battle is what feeds him. As long as he believes he is getting traction that feeds his fire. Eventually he will go away when he realizes we aren’t being overly alarmed by his antics. This is all a nuisance but we will be here long after well proxied has moved on to other pursuits.
Hubris much?
I hope you are all well. See you in the next few days.
Ken
Right-o, Ken.
And one last one:
Date: Mon, 15 Jun 2009 07:10:09 +0000
To: Huey, Ken<khuey@ca-lo.com>; AllStaff<AllStaff@ca-lo.com>
Subject: Re: fornits and well proxied
Please! Please do not discuss this very sensitive topic to anyone or around the students until Ken or a member of LT will be able to provide some clarification at the appropriate times of this matter. Please avoid talking about it within the milieu or even around the students or in the coaches office. It is not soundproof so discussions can easily be distinguished. For example- a student supposedly discovered that a fellow student had ran and how they had done it due to supposedly overnight care staff discussing the issue. Please avoid these situations and be aware of your surroundings as this can be detrimental to the student's treatment as well as breaking trust with a staff/ student relationships.
Thanks,
Sent via BlackBerry by AT&T
Do not talk about Fornits. Do not even think about Fornits. You are not allowed to even imagine the existence of Fornits without prior written permission. Above all do not become curious about Fornits and wonder if there's more to it than just one jerk behind a lot of proxies. What do you think this is, America?
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Although I cannot honestly speak for Psy, I wasn't under the impression that he was fishing for anything. It's seems to me (and I may well be wrong), that he was merely trying to point out that staff behavior towards your child while you are there is, more often than not, very different from staff behavior towards your child when you are absent.
More or less, but it seems by her response she is not willing to consider any other possibility than what she "knows". Frankly, I don't know much about CALO, but I do know how many other not-so-nice programs have operated in the past and was simply trying to determine whether or not there is a possibility CALO could be among that group; basically trying to see how many red-flags CALO raises... a bit like ISACcorp's warning signs:
http://www.isaccorp.org/warningsigns.asp (http://www.isaccorp.org/warningsigns.asp)
This is off-topic, Psy, but I wanted to point this out, from your terms of usage when you register:
The phpBB software only facilitates internet based discussions, the phpBB Group are not responsible for what we allow and/or disallow as permissible content and/or conduct. For further information about phpBB, please see: http://www.phpbb.com/ (http://www.phpbb.com/).
You agree not to post any abusive, obscene, vulgar, slanderous, hateful, threatening, sexually-orientated or any other material that may violate any laws be it of your country, the country where “Fornits Home for Wayward Web Fora” is hosted or International Law. Doing so may lead to you being immediately and permanently banned, with notification of your Internet Service Provider if deemed required by us. The IP address of all posts are recorded to aid in enforcing these conditions. You agree that “Fornits Home for Wayward Web Fora” have the right to remove, edit, move or close any topic at any time should we see fit.
It seems on the one hand that you are not responsible for content, but on the other hand you reserve the right to edit, remove or close a topic. Which is it: hands off or hands on? And what about some of the prolific posters who are abusive, obscene, vulgar, slanderous, hateful and (semi) threatening? This is in violation of their agreement with you. Why aren't they banned?
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Kenneth M Huey,
My IP address is 1-800-262-5269
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Kenneth M Huey,
My IP address is 1-800-262-5269
Bobby, I wasn't talking to you - I have a legit question for Michael.
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Maminka,
Amendment 1 - Freedom of Religion, Press, Expression. Ratified 12/15/1791.
Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the Government for a redress of grievances.
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Katiesthought,
An empress bitch? Thanks - I consider that a compliment! And you ain't seen nothin...
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Although I cannot honestly speak for Psy, I wasn't under the impression that he was fishing for anything. It's seems to me (and I may well be wrong), that he was merely trying to point out that staff behavior towards your child while you are there is, more often than not, very different from staff behavior towards your child when you are absent.
More or less, but it seems by her response she is not willing to consider any other possibility than what she "knows". Frankly, I don't know much about CALO, but I do know how many other not-so-nice programs have operated in the past and was simply trying to determine whether or not there is a possibility CALO could be among that group; basically trying to see how many red-flags CALO raises... a bit like ISACcorp's warning signs:
http://www.isaccorp.org/warningsigns.asp (http://www.isaccorp.org/warningsigns.asp)
This is off-topic, Psy, but I wanted to point this out, from your terms of usage when you register:
The phpBB software only facilitates internet based discussions, the phpBB Group are not responsible for what we allow and/or disallow as permissible content and/or conduct. For further information about phpBB, please see: http://www.phpbb.com/ (http://www.phpbb.com/).
You agree not to post any abusive, obscene, vulgar, slanderous, hateful, threatening, sexually-orientated or any other material that may violate any laws be it of your country, the country where “Fornits Home for Wayward Web Fora” is hosted or International Law. Doing so may lead to you being immediately and permanently banned, with notification of your Internet Service Provider if deemed required by us. The IP address of all posts are recorded to aid in enforcing these conditions. You agree that “Fornits Home for Wayward Web Fora” have the right to remove, edit, move or close any topic at any time should we see fit.
It seems on the one hand that you are not responsible for content, but on the other hand you reserve the right to edit, remove or close a topic. Which is it: hands off or hands on? And what about some of the prolific posters who are abusive, obscene, vulgar, slanderous, hateful and (semi) threatening? This is in violation of their agreement with you. Why aren't they banned?
That is the default disclaimer and we have no idea how to change it (we've looked). It's somewhere in the source, apparently, and we'd have to locate the passage and edit it. It's something that just hasn't been gotten around to yet. We had an edited disclaimer in the previous forum software but after we recently switched to phpbb3, we lost that disclaimer. It's in the to-do list.
Also. If you read carefully, it says "that may violate any laws... bla bla bla". In some countries, offensive, hateful, vulgar, obscene, etc, is illegal and can land you in jail. In the USA, all of that is protected speech. If we were in China or Iran, what's illegal to say is far more flexible.
Either way. The agreement you make, even if by some way could be found enforceable, would still only apply to posters, and not the forum. Posters can "agree" to do bla bla bla. There is nothing on there anywhere stating the forum will do or enforce anything... only that we "reserve the right" (something that we choose never to exercise). Read carefully and keep in mind it's only a default placeholder that will be edited when Antigen and myself have time to finalize a new disclaimer together.
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In my humble opinion, Maminka knows very little about what her child is going through at CALO. She cannot answer simple questions I posted due to lack of knowledge. This is commonplace amongst parents because they assume the said school is looking out for their child's interests.
In my humble opinion, maminka is an abusive monster who cannot provide BASIC care for its kid. Its concern is that its name is tied to its atrocities, not its kid. It speaks nonsence:
What makes it OK for it to orchestrate the abduction and imprisonment of another human being?
Mamika:“HA-HA. CALO admits abducting, then preventing captives from leaving, but it does not happen.”
Why are you so sure that a group sociopathic enough to abduct and imprison innocent people for money does not also abuse their captives?
Mamika: I KNOW
How do you know?
Mamika: JUST DO
What about the leaked emails detailing abuse, and pseudo-scientific and obviously abusive "treatment," performed by credential lacking, oversight free guards?
Mamika: FINE WITH ME
What about the fact that Niclole F. and Ken were demonstrably torturing kids in proved cultic torture chambers?
Mamika: WHO CARES.
Maminka, you are a negligent, abusive sociopath. You are the Epitome of a program parent. Or else, a staff. You have kind of a cheery, blindly cheer-leadery of CALO manner that’s hard to reconcile any parent demonstrating upon hearing credible, or even not verified accusations regarding their child’s torment. But, then, we do see parents like Diane Carter so, yes, sociopathic narcissists like that exist
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NO I THINK MAMINKA IS RIGHT
TOM RILEY SHOULD COME OFF THE LIST UNTIL WE GET WORD HES BEEN CAPTURED :nods:
HE DESERVES SOME CREDIT TO KNOW WHEN TO GET THE HELL OUT OF DODGE :rocker:
:moon: < FOR YOU MASTINKA
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NO I THINK MAMINKA IS RIGHT
TOM RILEY SHOULD COME OFF THE LIST UNTIL WE GET WORD HES BEEN CAPTURED :nods:
HE DESERVES SOME CREDIT TO KNOW WHEN TO GET THE HELL OUT OF DODGE :rocker:
:moon: < FOR YOU MASTINKA
Is tom riley mamika's kid? Doesnt sound likely.
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The following juveniles have been delivered to infantilist pedophiles at Change Academy, Lake of the Ozarks (CALO) with the consent of their parents or legal guardians.
It should be noted that none of the victims on this list are in any way culpable, as CALO is not a juvenile institution. These children were sent to be abused for no legal reason whatsoever. Their presence on this list is merely a testament to the vindictiveness or cluelessness of their parents or legal guardians and the deceptive marketing of CALO.
Anyone with contact information of any of the parents/legal guardians of the children on this list is strongly encouraged to post it.
[Redacted due to DMCA claim (http://http://www.fornits.com/phpbb/viewtopic.php?f=9&t=27785)]
This totals to 33 children being currently victimized.
[Redacted due to DMCA claim (http://http://www.fornits.com/phpbb/viewtopic.php?f=9&t=27785)] mother's name seems to be Theresa Sabonis-Helf. If this is the correct Sabonis-Helf, her contact info is or was:
+1 3014080995
8001 Glenside Dr, 20912, Takoma Park - map
Here's a photo of this woman:
http://www.fosc.org/SweepCreekSpring2008/2sabonis.htm (http://www.fosc.org/SweepCreekSpring2008/2sabonis.htm)
[Redacted due to DMCA claim (http://http://www.fornits.com/phpbb/viewtopic.php?f=9&t=27785)] and her sister are adopted:
http://74.125.47.132/search?q=cache:vlN ... clnk&gl=us (http://74.125.47.132/search?q=cache:vlN8VBKmwQ8J:www.angelfire.com/ok4/citizenship/list3.html+Marina+Sabonis-Helf&cd=10&hl=en&ct=clnk&gl=us)
Anastasia Rose Sabonis-Helf - Born October 8, 1990. Adopted May 5, 2000. Became a U.S. Citizen on February 27, 2001.
[Redacted due to DMCA claim (http://http://www.fornits.com/phpbb/viewtopic.php?f=9&t=27785)] - Born June 26, 1991. Adopted May 5, 2000. Became a U.S. Citizen on February 27, 2001
She has a sister: Anastasia Rose Sabonis-Helf.
http://74.125.47.132/search?q=cache:-Wk ... clnk&gl=us (http://74.125.47.132/search?q=cache:-WkdeSpvzbUJ:www.classmates.com/directory/public/memberprofile/list.htm%3FregId%3D8691006689+%22Anastasia+Sabonis-Helf%22&cd=1&hl=en&ct=clnk&gl=us)
Or perhaps this is a different group of people?
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The following juveniles have been delivered to infantilist pedophiles at Change Academy, Lake of the Ozarks (CALO) with the consent of their parents or legal guardians.
It should be noted that none of the victims on this list are in any way culpable, as CALO is not a juvenile institution. These children were sent to be abused for no legal reason whatsoever. Their presence on this list is merely a testament to the vindictiveness or cluelessness of their parents or legal guardians and the deceptive marketing of CALO.
Anyone with contact information of any of the parents/legal guardians of the children on this list is strongly encouraged to post it.
[Redacted due to DMCA claim (http://http://www.fornits.com/phpbb/viewtopic.php?f=9&t=27785)]
This totals to 33 children being currently victimized.
[Redacted due to DMCA claim (http://http://www.fornits.com/phpbb/viewtopic.php?f=9&t=27785)] mother's name seems to be Theresa Sabonis-Helf. If this is the correct Sabonis-Helf, her contact info is or was:
+1 3014080995
8001 Glenside Dr, 20912, Takoma Park - map
Here's a photo of this woman:
http://www.fosc.org/SweepCreekSpring2008/2sabonis.htm (http://www.fosc.org/SweepCreekSpring2008/2sabonis.htm)
[Redacted due to DMCA claim (http://http://www.fornits.com/phpbb/viewtopic.php?f=9&t=27785)] and her sister are adopted:
http://74.125.47.132/search?q=cache:vlN ... clnk&gl=us (http://74.125.47.132/search?q=cache:vlN8VBKmwQ8J:www.angelfire.com/ok4/citizenship/list3.html+Marina+Sabonis-Helf&cd=10&hl=en&ct=clnk&gl=us)
Anastasia Rose Sabonis-Helf - Born October 8, 1990. Adopted May 5, 2000. Became a U.S. Citizen on February 27, 2001.
[Redacted due to DMCA claim (http://http://www.fornits.com/phpbb/viewtopic.php?f=9&t=27785)] - Born June 26, 1991. Adopted May 5, 2000. Became a U.S. Citizen on February 27, 2001
She has a sister: Anastasia Rose Sabonis-Helf.
http://74.125.47.132/search?q=cache:-Wk ... clnk&gl=us (http://74.125.47.132/search?q=cache:-WkdeSpvzbUJ:www.classmates.com/directory/public/memberprofile/list.htm%3FregId%3D8691006689+%22Anastasia+Sabonis-Helf%22&cd=1&hl=en&ct=clnk&gl=us)
Or perhaps this is a different group of people?
Getting the white hoods, pitchforks, and burning crosses ready, are we?
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Any public disclosure of medical information, including the name of the client under care, is a violation of HIPPA and other privacy rights. Web sites that allow this and posting individuals who create this put themselves at risk of prosecution. I might suggest creating your arguments without violations of HIPPA regulations and putting both this site and your personal self at risk.
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CALO staff are flooding fornits. Their requests, threats and viewpoints constitute "drivel" considering they are deceptive.
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Any public disclosure of medical information, including the name of the client under care, is a violation of HIPPA and other privacy rights. Web sites that allow this and posting individuals who create this put themselves at risk of prosecution. I might suggest creating your arguments without violations of HIPPA regulations and putting both this site and your personal self at risk.
Blah, blah, blah. You're delaing with veterans who have already survived the type of events you are imagining. Every lawsuit initiated against any person here has been lost by the complainant. Yours would likely shake out the same. In any case, be aware that nobody here is going to be chased or scared off. Ain't gonna happen that way.
I don't know about the rest of you, but I love this guy/gal "well proxied." Go after 'em, kid. Hoo-rah.
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CALO staff are flooding fornits. Their requests, threats and viewpoints constitute "drivel" considering they are deceptive.
That I doubt.
You, on the other hand, are flooding fornits with diarrhea of the mouth! ::fullofshit::
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CALO staff are flooding fornits. Their requests, threats and viewpoints constitute "drivel" considering they are deceptive.
That I doubt.
You, on the other hand, are flooding fornits with diarrhea of the mouth! ::fullofshit::
If you can offer a strong argument to why you doubt CALO is deceptive, I will entertain your explanation.
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CALO staff are flooding fornits. Their requests, threats and viewpoints constitute "drivel" considering they are deceptive.
That I doubt.
You, on the other hand, are flooding fornits with diarrhea of the mouth! ::fullofshit::
If you can offer a strong argument to why you doubt CALO is deceptive, I will entertain your explanation.
Because you are SO open minded?? LOL
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+1 3014080995
Surely at least one of you has called this number by now? (yes, yes, "why don't you do it yourself faggot", yes, I suck)
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http://www.facebook.com/people/Anastasi ... 1524906007 (http://www.facebook.com/people/Anastasia-Sabonis-Helf/1524906007)
Her sister, Anastais, has a facebook page. Someone might want to contact her and tell her what's going on at Change Academy.
Any one else here think that there is a chance Ken Huey, abducter, extra-judicial imprisoner, torturer and brainwasher, might have not bothered to tell the "parents" that their wards names are now public?
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+1 3014080995
Surely at least one of you has called this number by now? (yes, yes, "why don't you do it yourself faggot", yes, I suck)
You are sick, sick puppies
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+1 3014080995
Surely at least one of you has called this number by now? (yes, yes, "why don't you do it yourself faggot", yes, I suck)
i hope someone has! If so, please share!
Perhaps well proxied can share the names of the "parents" who torment their kids via proxy, next.
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Any public disclosure of medical information, including the name of the client under care, is a violation of HIPPA and other privacy rights. Web sites that allow this and posting individuals who create this put themselves at risk of prosecution.
if we took messages down everytime some anonymous twat comes on and says "this posting is illegal", this forum would be very bare indeed. Sorry, but we defer to the courts on these matters. Bring back a court order if you want something removed.
I might suggest creating your arguments without violations of HIPPA regulations and putting both this site and your personal self at risk.
So you say the records are "medical" (as is the "treatment", supposedly). And you say that they are covered under HIPAA? So you are then saying CALO violated HIPAA by letting the records out into the public in the first place? I see. You sure that's what you're saying?
Shouldn't they do what programs always preach about and take responsibility?
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Any public disclosure of medical information, including the name of the client under care, is a violation of HIPPA and other privacy rights. Web sites that allow this and posting individuals who create this put themselves at risk of prosecution. I might suggest creating your arguments without violations of HIPPA regulations and putting both this site and your personal self at risk.
Blah, blah, blah. You're delaing with veterans who have already survived the type of events you are imagining. Every lawsuit initiated against any person here has been lost by the complainant.
Yup. So be careful who you are fucking with. Look up the judgement on Benchmark v. Crawford (http://http://fornits.com/wwf/viewtopic.php?f=9&t=27016) (that's me, btw). Pay very special attention the very very large number and ask yourself if you really want to risk paying that for filing a lawsuit without merit. Sue Scheff took on this site too directly in court and lost (i believe on the same immunity grounds we cited earlier in this thread... so its already been tested). Link here:
http://www.webwire.com/ViewPressRel.asp?aId=21829 (http://www.webwire.com/ViewPressRel.asp?aId=21829)
so go ahead, bitch. Make my day. It's really no trouble for me. A bit of stress, yes, but I've handled worse. In the end, i'll end up at the very least even and you'll probably bleed out paying for my representation after the anti-slapp motion (http://http://casp.net/statutes/statemo.html) and/or the countersuit for malicious prosecution. You should know: I have no mercy for programs and I don't back down. Benchmark v. Crawford should provided you with evidence enough of that if you read up on the background. I could have backed down very very easily but I didn't. Why? The same reason you don't negotiate with terrorists. Giving in would only invite more attacks... So don't threaten me without full knowledge of how i'll react, somehow expecting me to back down. Playing chicken is not a good idea. I won't swerve... because I know that even in the rare case that I could lose... so will you. I have nothing to give and you have everything to lose.
Don't get me wrong... I find what the person posted disgusting, but it's not my place to judge whether the posting is illegal. If you want it down, quit trying to get a workaround and use the court system. Sue "well proxied" if you really must. We'll be more than happy to hand over the IP address to you with a valid subpoena (providing the doe doesn't use representation to somehow block the discovery process).
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The most hilarious thing about this thread is the HIPPA violation threats regarding a facility that's only playing doctor.
If you tell your co-worker tomorrow that he seems hungover, in your non-medical opinion, does HIPPA apply? I think not. Hell, you could tell him you think he's got Oppositional Defiance Disorder, or Opposable Thumb Disorder or even Lakanookie Disorder. They're all made up disorders, and you're just playing doctor...it's all in good fun, unless your a business that charges big bucks and hold kids hostage while pretending to offer diagnoses and treatment.
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The following juveniles have been delivered to infantilist pedophiles at Change Academy, Lake of the Ozarks (CALO) with the consent of their parents or legal guardians.
It should be noted that none of the victims on this list are in any way culpable, as CALO is not a juvenile institution. These children were sent to be abused for no legal reason whatsoever. Their presence on this list is merely a testament to the vindictiveness or cluelessness of their parents or legal guardians and the deceptive marketing of CALO.
Anyone with contact information of any of the parents/legal guardians of the children on this list is strongly encouraged to post it.
[Redacted due to DMCA claim (http://http://www.fornits.com/phpbb/viewtopic.php?f=9&t=27785)]
This totals to 33 children being currently victimized.
Anyone call any of the "parents" of these detainees?
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Is the kurt zahn listed here, the kurt zahn from missouri?
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Is the kurt zahn listed here, the kurt zahn from missouri?
The Kurt Zahn on that list does not come from Missouri.
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Is the kurt zahn listed here, the kurt zahn from missouri?
The Kurt Zahn on that list does not come from Missouri.
You should post the names of the "parents" involved!!!
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Is the kurt zahn listed here, the kurt zahn from missouri?
The Kurt Zahn on that list does not come from Missouri.
You should post the names of the "parents" involved!!!
For what reason exactly?
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Is the kurt zahn listed here, the kurt zahn from missouri?
The Kurt Zahn on that list does not come from Missouri.
You should post the names of the "parents" involved!!!
For what reason exactly?
To call them and inform them of what is being done to the detainees at CALO.
To hold them responsible, in some small way, for orchestrating the abduction, imprisonment, brainwashing and torture of another human being by putting the truth about them into the public sphere .
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"To call them and inform them of what is being done to the detainees at CALO.
To hold them responsible, in some small way, for orchestrating the abduction, imprisonment, brainwashing and torture of another human being by putting the truth about them into the public sphere ."
So, how is it that you "know" what is being done to the "detainees" at CALO? And regarding these big words you are using: as a Vietnam War Vet, I think you know not of what you speak.
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"To call them and inform them of what is being done to the detainees at CALO.
To hold them responsible, in some small way, for orchestrating the abduction, imprisonment, brainwashing and torture of another human being by putting the truth about them into the public sphere ."
So, how is it that you "know" what is being done to the "detainees" at CALO? And regarding these big words you are using: as a Vietnam War Vet, I think you know not of what you speak.
Didn't Ken tell you staffers to stay away from Fornits? I know he repeated this to you at your meeting on Friday.
Seriously, how can you give directions to children if you can't follow them yourself? Run back to the cult/duck/torture camp now and beg MR. RED FLAG TOUCHES for a proper regrouping.
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as a Vietnam War Vet, I think you know not of what you speak.
Were you fighting on the side trying to inflict an all-encompassing totalitarian belief system which had as one of its tenets "to each according to his needs", while in reality demanding total mental control over everyone who participated in it, or the side trying to stop it?
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Which side was trying to stop it, the Americans or the North Vietnamese?
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do you not find it odd? you won't hear a peep when the names are posted of all the dead children
who have died in the hands of gulag profiteers
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+1 3014080995
Surely at least one of you has called this number by now? (yes, yes, "why don't you do it yourself faggot", yes, I suck)
i hope someone has! If so, please share!
Perhaps well proxied can share the names of the "parents" who torment their kids via proxy, next.
So has anyone contacted this "parent" or any of the other "parents" on this list?
How about you, well-proxied, do you know if their has been any reaction to you email?
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"To call them and inform them of what is being done to the detainees at CALO.
To hold them responsible, in some small way, for orchestrating the abduction, imprisonment, brainwashing and torture of another human being by putting the truth about them into the public sphere ."
So, how is it that you "know" what is being done to the "detainees" at CALO? And regarding these big words you are using: as a Vietnam War Vet, I think you know not of what you speak.
Not sure how many times I'll have to re-site this posting to prove this point, but this (http://http://www.fornits.com/phpbb/viewtopic.php?f=32&t=25983&start=105#p324160) is how I came to know EXACTLY what torture means.
I wonder what its like to fall all over yourself because you realize there is a whole mess of people who see right through your bullshit and KNOW that you are a child abuser. My question is how you live with yourself... or is justification for violence just one of those things you learned back in nam?...
:sue:
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"To call them and inform them of what is being done to the detainees at CALO.
To hold them responsible, in some small way, for orchestrating the abduction, imprisonment, brainwashing and torture of another human being by putting the truth about them into the public sphere ."
So, how is it that you "know" what is being done to the "detainees" at CALO? And regarding these big words you are using: as a Vietnam War Vet, I think you know not of what you speak.
Not sure how many times I'll have to re-site this posting to prove this point, but this (http://http://www.fornits.com/phpbb/viewtopic.php?f=32&t=25983&start=105#p324160) is how I came to know EXACTLY what torture means.
I wonder what its like to fall all over yourself because you realize there is a whole mess of people who see right through your bullshit and KNOW that you are a child abuser. My question is how you live with yourself... or is justification for violence just one of those things you learned back in nam?...
:sue:
A link to evidence against CALO, please? This is relevant to Casa By The Sea and High Impact.
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"To call them and inform them of what is being done to the detainees at CALO.
To hold them responsible, in some small way, for orchestrating the abduction, imprisonment, brainwashing and torture of another human being by putting the truth about them into the public sphere ."
So, how is it that you "know" what is being done to the "detainees" at CALO? And regarding these big words you are using: as a Vietnam War Vet, I think you know not of what you speak.
Not sure how many times I'll have to re-site this posting to prove this point, but this (http://http://www.fornits.com/phpbb/viewtopic.php?f=32&t=25983&start=105#p324160) is how I came to know EXACTLY what torture means.
I wonder what its like to fall all over yourself because you realize there is a whole mess of people who see right through your bullshit and KNOW that you are a child abuser. My question is how you live with yourself... or is justification for violence just one of those things you learned back in nam?...
:sue:
A link to evidence against CALO, please? This is relevant to Casa By The Sea and High Impact.
Nice try WHO, you expect me to give away the strategy of a potential prosecution in order to convince you?... think not. Our source has more than enough confirmation from both staff and survivors to equate the methods used in this program to be as equally abusive as we have witnessed in countless other programs. Whether you choose to see it or not, there is a pattern within the troubled teen industry and that is the unethical practice of "tough love". they may all patent and package it differently but it still always boils down to child abuse.
And to be clear, my comment (and siting of my experience) was directed to prove the point that all to often program supporters will deny that the usage of the words like "torture", "child abuse" and many others referring to the fact that we were incarcerated without our consent or due process of the law, are in fact accurate. However based on my experience, as described, I think I have a fair estimation of what torture, child abuse and false imprisonment are, and how they apply to this industry.
Assume all you want that we don't know what we are talking about, that's your prerogative, however you should just sit back and be grateful you never walked a mile in our shoes, if you had you might be singing a much different tune.
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The following juveniles have been delivered to infantilist pedophiles at Change Academy, Lake of the Ozarks (CALO) with the consent of their parents or legal guardians.
It should be noted that none of the victims on this list are in any way culpable, as CALO is not a juvenile institution. These children were sent to be abused for no legal reason whatsoever. Their presence on this list is merely a testament to the vindictiveness or cluelessness of their parents or legal guardians and the deceptive marketing of CALO.
Anyone with contact information of any of the parents/legal guardians of the children on this list is strongly encouraged to post it.
[Redacted due to DMCA claim (http://http://www.fornits.com/phpbb/viewtopic.php?f=9&t=27785)]
This totals to 33 children being currently victimized.
Is [Redacted due to DMCA claim (http://http://www.fornits.com/phpbb/viewtopic.php?f=9&t=27785)], the [Redacted due to DMCA claim (http://http://www.fornits.com/phpbb/viewtopic.php?f=9&t=27785)] listed here?
http://www.circlevillecityschools.org/E ... eading.htm (http://www.circlevillecityschools.org/EMS/WinterCheerleading.htm)
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ME:
Did you do the ropes course?
XXXXXXXX:
yes I did
ME:
can you describe how that worked?
XXXXXXXX:
yeah
They had us get in a line silently. They picked their favorites first. Then if we got scared or said we were done. They would say we had to do more or it was regroup.
Then if you didn't cheer the others on. You would get on regroup and you could not leave the area
ME:
So you didn't have a choice about doing the ropes course, it was do it or get in trouble?
XXXXXXX:
Yes
ME:
What kind of regroups did you have to do?
XXXXXX:
I had to pick up hole punched dots on the ground and move them from cup to cup. With out stopping
I had to clean bathroom without gloves
dust fake plants
umm...pick up crumbs off the floor with my hands
scrub the floor with a toothbrush
scrub the floor
with a rag
ME:
this was for Ropes course?
XXXXXXXX:
umm well regroup was the same no matter what you did
ME:
Did regroup feel like a chance to reflect on the problem or did it feel like something else?
XXXXXX:
felt like a punishment Couldn't talk
couldn't even ask for the bathroom
They would tell you when you could go
to the bathroom
ME:
What did you do if you had to use the bathroom?
XXXXXXX:
You waited until they told you that you could go
ME:
you ever experience any pain or discomfort for having to wait for permission to use the bathroom?
XXXXXXX:
umm yes
ME:
and did you ever try to ask to go even though you knew you weren't supposed to?
XXXXXXXX:
Yes and I got rrestrained
ME:
For asking to use the bathroom, you got restrained?
XXXXXXX:
yes they did not like me questioning authority
ME:
Did you try to hurt yourself, hurt anyone else before this restraint?
XXXXXXXX:
no
well for other things
but not this
ME:
Ok.. so back to ropes course..
XXXXXXX:
okay
ME:
Did you have to complete ropes course to advance in CALO's program?
XXXXXXX:
yes
ME:
So it wasn't voluntary, you couldn't choose not to do it, and if you didn't do it you couldn't advance?
XXXXXXX:
yes
ME:
And if you got scared and stopped you'd get punished with a regroup?
XXXXXXX:
yes
ME:
Did anyone ever get restrained at the Ropes Course?
XXXXXXXX:
yes
ME:
Were they trying to hurt themselves or anyone else?
XXXXXXXX:
nope not all of the time
ME:
Do you think you got anything out of CALO's ropes course?
XXXXXXXX:
Nah not really
ME:
Did you see Ken Huey ever restrain a resident?
XXXXXXX:
a few
ME:
So a few people?
XXXXXX:
yes
ME:
Were they trying to hurt themselves or another?
XXXXXXX:
yes
ME:
Were they ever not trying to hurt themselves or another?
XXXXXXXX:
yes
ME:
And you saw Ken Huey try to restrain them?
XXXXXXX:
yes
he usually took over a restraint
for another staff
ME:
Did these restraints appear to be painful?
XXXXXX:
yes
most staff restrained kids painfully
ME:
Did the people being restrained ever beg staff to stop?
XXXXXXX:
yes
ME:
How did the staff respond?
XXXXXX:
they would either yell, cuss
or put them on regroup
rarely did they let them go
unless authority gave approval
ME:
Ok.. that's all I have time for now, do you mind if I edit this intertiew for grammar, spelling, and to protect your identity?
XXXXXXXX:
Yes
ME:
Do you give me permission to post this interview, in editted form, on a public forum on the internet?
XXXXXXXXX:
yes if NO ONE knows its me
ME:
Your name will never be uttered from my lips or fingertips.
thanks, I'll get this fixed up and posted. You've been a great help.
XXXXXXXXX:
okay thank you
sure thing
thanks
ME:
bye!
XXXXXXX:
bye
the...
FUCKING...
And that shit is happening right now to kids who have been identified.
I don't mean to impinge on Proxied's turf here but YOU HAVE THE KIDS' NAMES, HELP FIND THE FUCKING PARENTS!!!
[Redacted due to DMCA claim (http://http://www.fornits.com/phpbb/viewtopic.php?f=9&t=27785)] Sabonis-Helf mother's name seems to be Theresa Sabonis-Helf. If this is the correct Sabonis-Helf, her contact info is or was:
+1 3014080995
8001 Glenside Dr, 20912, Takoma Park
I'm not even sure if they'd let me print this shit out at the library. Anyone with a printer at home mind snail mailing this shit? Fold it neatly and put a big fat flag stamp on it.
Those parents, and I use the term fucking LOOSELY, I hope to God your own kids sue you into oblivion for this. This is some royally sick shit. Look at this! Just read it! I know you don't give a damn about your kids but pretend it's YOU! Ken Huey, the idea that you would do ANYTHING to "protect the kids" is a fucking JOKE.
This is not therapy. This is not "treatment". This isn't even infantilist pedophilia as Proxied would have it. This is just FUCKING PSYCHOTIC SHIT.
Where the FUCK is what passes for Missouri's child services?
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Free detainees tortured in CALO internet meme
Copy and paste this anywhere you see fit with a link to this forum. Someone who cares could see it.
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Copy and paste this anywhere you see fit with a link to this forum
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Pathetic antagonism
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[Redacted due to DMCA claim (http://http://www.fornits.com/phpbb/viewtopic.php?f=9&t=27785)] is one of the detainees abused at CALO, which claims ownership of her very name. I am disgusted by CALO's ongoing use of legal loopholes to violate civil and human rights, and now free speech.
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ME:
Did you do the ropes course?
XXXXXXXX:
yes I did
ME:
can you describe how that worked?
XXXXXXXX:
yeah
They had us get in a line silently. They picked their favorites first. Then if we got scared or said we were done. They would say we had to do more or it was regroup.
Then if you didn't cheer the others on. You would get on regroup and you could not leave the area
ME:
So you didn't have a choice about doing the ropes course, it was do it or get in trouble?
XXXXXXX:
Yes
ME:
What kind of regroups did you have to do?
XXXXXX:
I had to pick up hole punched dots on the ground and move them from cup to cup. With out stopping
I had to clean bathroom without gloves
dust fake plants
umm...pick up crumbs off the floor with my hands
scrub the floor with a toothbrush
scrub the floor
with a rag
ME:
this was for Ropes course?
XXXXXXXX:
umm well regroup was the same no matter what you did
ME:
Did regroup feel like a chance to reflect on the problem or did it feel like something else?
XXXXXX:
felt like a punishment Couldn't talk
couldn't even ask for the bathroom
They would tell you when you could go
to the bathroom
ME:
What did you do if you had to use the bathroom?
XXXXXXX:
You waited until they told you that you could go
ME:
you ever experience any pain or discomfort for having to wait for permission to use the bathroom?
XXXXXXX:
umm yes
ME:
and did you ever try to ask to go even though you knew you weren't supposed to?
XXXXXXXX:
Yes and I got rrestrained
ME:
For asking to use the bathroom, you got restrained?
XXXXXXX:
yes they did not like me questioning authority
ME:
Did you try to hurt yourself, hurt anyone else before this restraint?
XXXXXXXX:
no
well for other things
but not this
ME:
Ok.. so back to ropes course..
XXXXXXX:
okay
ME:
Did you have to complete ropes course to advance in CALO's program?
XXXXXXX:
yes
ME:
So it wasn't voluntary, you couldn't choose not to do it, and if you didn't do it you couldn't advance?
XXXXXXX:
yes
ME:
And if you got scared and stopped you'd get punished with a regroup?
XXXXXXX:
yes
ME:
Did anyone ever get restrained at the Ropes Course?
XXXXXXXX:
yes
ME:
Were they trying to hurt themselves or anyone else?
XXXXXXXX:
nope not all of the time
ME:
Do you think you got anything out of CALO's ropes course?
XXXXXXXX:
Nah not really
ME:
Did you see Ken Huey ever restrain a resident?
XXXXXXX:
a few
ME:
So a few people?
XXXXXX:
yes
ME:
Were they trying to hurt themselves or another?
XXXXXXX:
yes
ME:
Were they ever not trying to hurt themselves or another?
XXXXXXXX:
yes
ME:
And you saw Ken Huey try to restrain them?
XXXXXXX:
yes
he usually took over a restraint
for another staff
ME:
Did these restraints appear to be painful?
XXXXXX:
yes
most staff restrained kids painfully
ME:
Did the people being restrained ever beg staff to stop?
XXXXXXX:
yes
ME:
How did the staff respond?
XXXXXX:
they would either yell, cuss
or put them on regroup
rarely did they let them go
unless authority gave approval
ME:
Ok.. that's all I have time for now, do you mind if I edit this intertiew for grammar, spelling, and to protect your identity?
XXXXXXXX:
Yes
ME:
Do you give me permission to post this interview, in editted form, on a public forum on the internet?
XXXXXXXXX:
yes if NO ONE knows its me
ME:
Your name will never be uttered from my lips or fingertips.
thanks, I'll get this fixed up and posted. You've been a great help.
XXXXXXXXX:
okay thank you
sure thing
thanks
ME:
bye!
XXXXXXX:
bye
the...
FUCKING...
And that shit is happening right now to kids who have been identified.
I don't mean to impinge on Proxied's turf here but YOU HAVE THE KIDS' NAMES, HELP FIND THE FUCKING PARENTS!!!
[Redacted due to DMCA claim (http://http://www.fornits.com/phpbb/viewtopic.php?f=9&t=27785)] Sabonis-Helf mother's name seems to be Theresa Sabonis-Helf. If this is the correct Sabonis-Helf, her contact info is or was:
+1 3014080995
8001 Glenside Dr, 20912, Takoma Park
I'm not even sure if they'd let me print this shit out at the library. Anyone with a printer at home mind snail mailing this shit? Fold it neatly and put a big fat flag stamp on it.
Those parents, and I use the term fucking LOOSELY, I hope to God your own kids sue you into oblivion for this. This is some royally sick shit. Look at this! Just read it! I know you don't give a damn about your kids but pretend it's YOU! Ken Huey, the idea that you would do ANYTHING to "protect the kids" is a fucking JOKE.
This is not therapy. This is not "treatment". This isn't even infantilist pedophilia as Proxied would have it. This is just FUCKING PSYCHOTIC SHIT.
Where the FUCK is what passes for Missouri's child services?
So, I guess nothing can be done about this kid’s victimization by Ken Huey and CALO? We must add CALO to the long list of gulags that can imprison and torture without mercy and without consequence?
I keep hearing talk of “evidence” and “plan of prosecution.” Fem, level with me, is this just a pipe dream, like our pipe dreams of justice against the WWASP, and provo canyon monsters (one of whom is Ken Huey, actually)?
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pathetic antagonism
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For the full list of prisoners
http://www.pastebin.ca/1473291 (http://www.pastebin.ca/1473291)
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This is getting redact-ulous. Shut your holes, all of youse.
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ME:
Did regroup feel like a chance to reflect on the problem or did it feel like something else?
XXXXXX:
felt like a punishment Couldn't talk
couldn't even ask for the bathroom
They would tell you when you could go
to the bathroom
The above reminds me of a full-time.
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:bump:
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Che, the staff list was always on this topic.
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Thanks!