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Treatment Abuse, Behavior Modification, Thought Reform => Straight, Inc. and Derivatives => Topic started by: ajax13 on April 27, 2009, 06:15:37 PM
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There has been some debate of late as to just what AARC is. AARC claims to be treating a disease in it's promotional material, but when the question of qualifications to provide medical treatment arise, suddenly AARC is just a temperance fellowship, like AA, but costing $50 000 per year, and keeping people against their will.
Let's look at what AARC themselves claim to be doing:
"The AARC program offers comprehensive assessment, treatment and aftercare, based on the concepts of:
Twelve Step Recovery models of Alcoholics Anonymous and Narcotics Anonymous (AA/NA);
Positive peer influence;
Group, family and individual therapy; and
Use of Recovery Homes
The AARC program is based on the fundamental that addiction is a disease. Adolescent addiction is defined as a psycho-social, genetic, chronic, progressive and relapsing disease affecting every dimension of the adolescent and their family members’ lives."
The AARC program provides progressive, structured stages of treatment from primary recovery through intermediate and advanced recovery."
http://www.aarc.ab.ca/the_AARC_program.html (http://www.aarc.ab.ca/the_AARC_program.html)
Sounds to me like they're doing this:
"perform a psychosocial intervention with an expectation of treating a substantial disorder of thought, mood, perception, orientation or memory that grossly impairs: i)judgement ii)behaviour iii)capacity to recognize reality, or iv)ability to meet the ordinary demands of life"
http://www.cpsa.ab.ca/Libraries/Res_Mes ... .sflb.ashx (http://www.cpsa.ab.ca/Libraries/Res_Messenger/M131_insert_supervision_of_restricted_activities.sflb.ashx)
That's a Restricted Activity, and it's against the law for the Wiz and his staff to perform it. Seems that the AARC folks don't quite know what AARC is.
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College of Alberta Psychologists:
http://www.cap.ab.ca/Registry.aspx?Alph ... g&Run=True (http://www.cap.ab.ca/Registry.aspx?Alpha=&MemberType=&City=&LastName=hogg&Run=True)
No sign of Vause, Natalie or Colin. There is a Bryan Campbell but, as mentioned, not the same Bryan Campbell.
Registered Social Workers
http://www.acsw.ab.ca/find_a_social_wor ... ith=H#list (http://www.acsw.ab.ca/find_a_social_worker/registered_social_workers/social_worker_listing_view?startswith=H#list)
Tom Gilbert is not a registered Social Worker - has he ever been a registered anything?? Tom Gilbert and Marty Heeg are no longer listed as staff on AARC's website. Rumour has it that Tom has been promoted and Heeg's been canned. Funny, since Heeg, is authorized to do Restricted Activities/Psychosocial Interventions. hmm...
AARC is an unlicensed, unregulated, nonmedically accredited, "nonresidential" addictions treatment program that received just over $2.8 million from the Alberta lottery fund in the last decade, $300,000 from the province annually, countless millions from donors and fundraisers, not to mention the $50,000 annual fee for each of clients. It is a registered "NON PROFIT :roflmao: charity" run by: a guy who is pretending to be a doctor, clinical directors who are pretending to be psychologists, and a bunch of kids who are pretending to be professional counselors. Man, I am in the wrong industry. I think I'm going to throw a Ph.D. at the end of my name too. Anybody know of any empty warehouses available for lease?
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It is an amazing place. They have been the subject of documentaries by 5th Estate. AARC meets and or exceeds all requirements in running their treatment facility. You may read here that they don’t have this license or that license, but what you don’t hear is that they need to have that license or are required to. It is a smoke screen to try to discredit AARC.
If you look at the facts you will find that AARC is extremely successful and enjoys a success rate of 85% sobriety for those who graduate the program.
Now back to the smear campaign by those who failed to graduate.
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Josh, you still haven't replied to my question on the "Outlaws" thread. You must have just missed it. Here you go:
I've read enough on this forum to see that a myriad of facts, links and laws have been presented to discredit AARC. I have not seen any facts presented to support the legalities of AARC, the validity of AARC staff's credentials, and have not read a single coherent rebuttal.
We don't need to resort to name calling (such as calling victims of abuse liars?), but I will speak for myself when I say that the debates I've had with AARC supporters have been some of the most frustrating conversations I've had in my life, and I wouldn't blame ajax for losing his patience with some of you. At first, the facts are "lies," then the facts "don't matter." You are masters at dodging questions and circular reasoning.
"The quoting of random laws can be effective in deceiving people too as long as the readers dont read too much of the provided links." Please provide one example of this, and point out the discrepancies in the links.
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Josh, you still haven't replied to my question on the "Outlaws" thread. You must have just missed it. Here you go:
I've read enough on this forum to see that a myriad of facts, links and laws have been presented to discredit AARC. I have not seen any facts presented to support the legalities of AARC, the validity of AARC staff's credentials, and have not read a single coherent rebuttal.
We don't need to resort to name calling (such as calling victims of abuse liars?), but I will speak for myself when I say that the debates I've had with AARC supporters have been some of the most frustrating conversations I've had in my life, and I wouldn't blame ajax for losing his patience with some of you. At first, the facts are "lies," then the facts "don't matter." You are masters at dodging questions and circular reasoning.
"The quoting of random laws can be effective in deceiving people too as long as the readers dont read too much of the provided links." Please provide one example of this, and point out the discrepancies in the links.
I quess I am Josh because I wrote one of those threads.
What I haven’t seen are any requirements that have been breached. What needs to be done is to establish the requirements and then look at the licenses and degrees needed to meet the requirements. This cannot be determined by you and I.
The guy at our local Mcdonalds making the food is not a professional chef and the manager does not have an MBA. Should it be shut down? If the counter person gives nutritional advice or information should they first have a PhD in nutrition? I might say yes and you may say not. My kids school teacher thinks he would do better socially and adapt more quickly in a school with smaller class sizes. Should we fire her because she is giving advice without being licensed as a psychologist?
So who decides?
What we do is refer this to the local licensing board.
I have read where this person Vause needs a degree from Canada instead of the United States. I have read where a poster feels the union insititute isn’t accredited and that he should not have pursued an online degree. Another felt his dissertation wasn’t very good because he didn’t publish it. That he should be licensed and AARC should be licensed. All this is being played out on this forum but the one place to get answers hasn’t even been mentioned... The licensing board.
They have been notified and there are no problems with the licenses that AARC and their employees have. If you don’t believe this then give them a call. This is real basic stuff people!!
The average reader here knows that the posts are made to harass and throw up a smoke screen.......... you and I are not the ones who decide if the burger flipper at McDonalds needs to be a licensed nutritionist or licensed chef. The same as we are not the ones who decide if AARC needs a license and what kind and which employees need what degrees and licenses.
Call the license board..... AARC actually is exceeding all the requirements needed to run their business.
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You know, I want to hate you but you make me laugh so much, I just can't. Your analogies... "If I put a band aid on my kid, do I need to be a licensed physician?" "Can I give my friend advice without being a licensed psychologist?"
I don't doubt that AARC's "licenses are in order" since AARC claims to be a nonprofit charity and outpatient treatment program. I'm sure that charities aren't subjected to the same regulations, laws and standards that something like a hospital would be. The issue that has been raised here is that there is a stark difference between what AARC claims to be and what it really is. The staff at AARC are unauthorized to perform psychosocial intervention, a restricted activity. Just because they didn't mention their job descriptions when they registered themselves as a charity, doesn't mean their licenses are in order.
In regard to the Union Institute... despite the fact that it is listed in "Bear's Guide To College Degrees By Mail & Internet," Vause's Ph.D. is completely useless in Canada and he has absolutely no right to refer to himself as a doctor.
At first glance, the fact that Vause has completed a "Project Demonstrating Excellence" (PDE) through the Union Institute sounds, well.. excellent! Very impressive.
To give you an idea of the high standard of education you can expect to receive through the Union Institute, here are a couple of PDEs that are published on the Internet:
"Beyond Compare: A Personal Reflection on Treatment Approaches with Emotionally Disturbed Adolescents" by Leslie Ann Heizer
http://www.processwork.org/Finalproject ... ompare.pdf (http://www.processwork.org/Finalprojects/Heizer-BeyondCompare.pdf)
"I realize that a creative writing piece is not the usual format for a final project at the doctoral degree level, and I"m happy that it is possible through Union...
As we're running, Jake says, "When we get him, let's take him down." This is another containment euphemism which describes a maneuver where the adults gently take a child's arms and places him or her face down on the ground until he or she is calm enough to walk. "I'm not containment trained," I inform Jake. "This is my first day, and I was told I couldn't put my hands on a kid without training." "Oh, wonderful," he moans, "welcome to the battlefield. This is a slippery kid who will no way listen to us"... I can hear Eric screeching "child abuse" from the quiet room, and I'm greeted by three kids saying that I'm going to get it because i"m not containment trained. This is a funny dynamic I've noticed before....
I want so much to understand these kids. I should clarify why I'm calling them kids, because they're not, really. The youngest one is eleven. We can take them from age six, but don't usually get anyone younger than ten or eleven. I guess it takes that long for a person to be considered damaged enough for this place, which is really a last ditch effort... I then heard the beginning of Beethoven's fifth symphony in my head, you know, "Da da da dum; (lower now) da da dum..., with prepare to die; the end has come" for vocals..."
Connecting with the Dakini and Guru Archetype within the Self: by Betty Martin-Finneran
http://docbetty.com/Dissertation/chapter1.htm (http://docbetty.com/Dissertation/chapter1.htm)
My PDE has two components: a contextual essay and a chapbook of my poetry. What is central to my PDE are the transformative events described in Chapter II, “My Story” and the chapbook of poetry in Part II of this PDE (“Learner’s Chapbook of Poetry”) that was the result. In addition, I conducted a research project that served as the background support for the contextual essay. My chapbook, The Friend Ship: A Stormy Journey to the Self, reflects the process of my spiritual emergence. Metaphorically, my process can be seen in terms of the three phases of the alchemical opus, as shall be described later in Chapter VI, “Contextual Essay: Discussion” and Chapter VII, “Chapbook Analysis.”
Dean's PDE, "The Alberta Adolescent Recovery Centre: A Treatment Centre for Chemically Dependent Youth and Their Families" sounds quite similar to another PDE entitled, "The Organization and Implementation of Family Involvement in Adolescent Drug-Use Rehabilitation," by Dr. Virgil Miller Newton. I would love to compare the two papers and see how much copying and pasting went on there. Or maybe Dean just wrote a lovely creative writing piece, like Leslie...
"So then I said, "hey Virgil. Let's not get the kids to flap their arms and belt loop each other. Then the program will be good." And Virgil said no, so I said "Ok, then I will start my own treatment centre and I will call it AARC..."
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I don't doubt that AARC's "licenses are in order" since AARC claims to be a nonprofit charity and outpatient treatment program. I'm sure that charities aren't subjected to the same regulations, laws and standards that something like a hospital would be. The issue that has been raised here is that there is a stark difference between what AARC claims to be and what it really is. The staff at AARC are unauthorized to perform psychosocial intervention, a restricted activity. Just because they didn't mention their job descriptions when they registered themselves as a charity, doesn't mean their licenses are in order.
I am glad we agree with their licensing status. As far as the definitions of various interventions and techniques that may be used I do not think they need to be licensed on each and every level. A facility is licensed based on their area of expertise and various techniques can be used under that license. If people are working outside of their area then this needs to be brought to the attention of the authorities and corrections will be made.
In regard to the Union Institute... despite the fact that it is listed in "Bear's Guide To College Degrees By Mail & Internet," Vause's Ph.D. is completely useless in Canada and he has absolutely no right to refer to himself as a doctor.
These are comments which are puzzling. Why doesn’t he have the right to call himself a doctor? I don’t understand where you get this information. Anyone with a PhD has the right to call themselves a doctor, why is this different in Canada?
You are picking at this mans degree and even the university he attended yet you havent even established that he even needs a degree to perform his job.
At first glance, the fact that Vause has completed a "Project Demonstrating Excellence" (PDE) through the Union Institute sounds, well.. excellent! Very impressive.
Geesh,you dig and dig to try to find the smallest thing to discredit people. This guy Ajax was so deperate to find something bad about AARC that he started making fun of peoples wives and their weight conditions and another guy who claimed he played hockey in college. Who cares,it is childish:
Union Institute & University is accredited
Some other alumni of the Union institute:
1. Prime minister of Jamaica
2. Wynona Ward, creator and director of "Have Justice Will Travel" in Vermont, an advocacy outreach program
3. Tania Aebi author of : Maiden Voyage and I've Been Around.
4. Lisa Lorimer, president, Vermont Bread Company, Brattleboro Vermont
5. Lorraine Neal, director, Contemporary Dance and Fitness Center, Montpelier, Vermont
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Vause's Ph.D. is completely useless in Canada and he has absolutely no right to refer to himself as a doctor.
Education is never useless. Why do you think Canada would be against people furthering their education? It may be different in Canada, as you say, but in the US and UK, if you get your PhD you can refer to yourself as Doctor. I find it hard to believe that Canada doesnt recognize advanced degrees the same way.
I see what the other poster means about misinformation.
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SOME COLLEGE DEGREES NOT WORTH THE PAPER THEY’RE PRINTED ON
by Lance Frederiksen
More and more job applicants aren’t earning their college degrees the old-fashioned way – actually going to school.
Instead, they’re buying their diplomas from “degree mills” that sell official-looking documents from non-accredited or non-existent colleges and universities with impressive-sounding names.
Just look on the Internet, and you’ll find dozens of companies offering everything from cheap “novelty” diplomas to advanced academic degrees. They all have one thing in common, however: They aren’t worth the paper they’re printed on.
Warning Signs:
Attractive But Improbable Claims – “Earn your master’s degree in half the time it usually takes” sounds good, however, attractive but improbable claims are telltale signs of a diploma mill or fake online school. Always be skeptical of schools that offer degree programs that are quick and easy to finish for your convenience.
FAQ for the Union Institute:
http://www.myunion.edu/admissions/faqs.html (http://www.myunion.edu/admissions/faqs.html)
Can I keep my job and get my undergraduate degree at the same time?
Most Union learners work full time.
How long will it take to complete my bachelor's degree?
Currently, most learners complete their degree in less than two years (16-20 months)
This is just one of many reasons I believe a diploma from the Union Institute is not worth the paper it's printed on. I think it's great if a homemaker or a retired person decides to collect their poetry or write a creative story about their life. Do I think that entitles them to run a rehabilitation centre for troubled teens? Absolutely not. But enough information has been presented for people to make up their own minds.
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"Call the licensing board"
Oh, if only there were such a thing. Dog licenses, hair-dressing licenses, gas well-licenses, medical licenses, fire-arm licenses, liquor licenses, pilot's licenses, all from the license board. One thing about the American pedophile, always good for a laugh.
Still can't take a stab at that very specific Restricted Activity that is unquestionably performed at AARC by the staff, for which they require membership in a licensed profession, and which membership none have? You see, the list of Restricted Activities has been compiled in such a way that routine health procedures can still be carried out by lay-people. The type of psycho-social intervention that constitutes AARC's treatment is not a routine health procedure like changing a band-aid. It's an all-encompassing process that goes for hours each day, and lasts for months. Once again, a miasma of inapplicable comparisons courtesy of the kiddie-fucker.
Why is it, kiddie-fucker, that you feel so compelled to try to obscure the facts regarding this particular scam, so far from your home? I'm sure you still got your hands on lots of sweet teen ass via the wilderness programs, regardless of whether the Straight clones shut down or not. What gives?
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This is just one of many reasons I believe a diploma from the Union Institute is not worth the paper it's printed on. I think it's great if a homemaker or a retired person decides to collect their poetry or write a creative story about their life. Do I think that entitles them to run a rehabilitation centre for troubled teens? Absolutely not. But enough information has been presented for people to make up their own minds.
Its not just the paper but rather what you do with it that is important. Many a graduate from ivy league schools do very little with their piece of paper and there are still others who never attended college at all who soared to great heights.
I give people credit for having the drive to continue to learn new things about themselves and the world around them. We are emerged into a paperless world and more and more of us are pursuing degrees online. It is a fact of life and all of need to get use to it, it should not be used as a tool for ridicule.
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Come on kiddie-fucker, I'll bite. What is so important about obscuring the facts about AARC? It won't even make the news Stateside when it closes. There will be plenty of parents willing to let you molest their kids and pay you for it, so why so desperate to cover up this particular criminal organization?
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"Call the licensing board"
Oh, if only there were such a thing. Dog licenses, hair-dressing licenses, gas well-licenses, medical licenses, fire-arm licenses, liquor licenses, pilot's licenses, all from the license board. One thing about the American pedophile, always good for a laugh.
Still can't take a stab at that very specific Restricted Activity that is unquestionably performed at AARC by the staff, for which they require membership in a licensed profession, and which membership none have? You see, the list of Restricted Activities has been compiled in such a way that routine health procedures can still be carried out by lay-people. The type of psycho-social intervention that constitutes AARC's treatment is not a routine health procedure like changing a band-aid. It's an all-encompassing process that goes for hours each day, and lasts for months. Once again, a miasma of inapplicable comparisons courtesy of the kiddie-fucker.
Why is it, kiddie-fucker, that you feel so compelled to try to obscure the facts regarding this particular scam, so far from your home? I'm sure you still got your hands on lots of sweet teen ass via the wilderness programs, regardless of whether the Straight clones shut down or not. What gives?
5 o'clock charlie, We have already established that AARC has the licenses needed for their business in previous posts. You can play at your misinformation game for your own pleasure and our humor if you like.
I bet $20 he brings up someones weight problem as a reason for AARC to be shut down... I'll put $30 dollars he try to convince us that Vause didnt play ice hockey in college as a reason to close the doors.... and the answer is:
They perform "psychosocial intervention" oh my goodness!! This is a little less then your local AA group does in the basement of churches but it seems we want AARC to try to seek a special license for it. Personally I thought the playing hockey in college was a better smear attempt and more believable.
Stay tuned as 5 o'clock charlie trys to convince the world that a Doctor who crosses an international border can no longer use the title "Dr."..... Ajax (as a little boy) use to read "Mr. Suess" books in Canada becuase they didnt recognize the title.
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Come on kiddie-fucker, I'll bite. What is so important about obscuring the facts about AARC? It won't even make the news Stateside when it closes. There will be plenty of parents willing to let you molest their kids and pay you for it, so why so desperate to cover up this particular criminal organization?
Are you saying this particular guest is thewho?
There have been many stabs at his motivations, but ultimately no one really knows.
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There have been three posters who are difficult to discern from one another, each with their own particular compulsion to cover up the reality of the AARC, and they've all been at it for years.
The American pedophile takes particular delight in antagonizing victims, but he also devotes a lot of effort to burying any factual information about AARC. I find him reminiscent of the fellow in British Colubmia a few years back who murdered a teenaged girl and then taunted the family, desecrating her tombstone and making gloating phone calls. Clifford Olson, another child-killer who enjoyed taunting the families of his victims also comes to mind.
Then there's Jem. She's been posting on here for over seven years. She's got a thing for the Wiz, going back to his time in Saskatchewan. Notable for lying about having a PhD, Jem may be suffering from the frustrations of longing for someone who bats for the other team. Jem has in fact chosen the Wiz over her own flesh and blood, like so many good AARColytes.
And last, but certainly not least is old Joshy. He's been posting on here as long as Jem, and like Jem has had to drop his monikker. Joshy, according to himself an expert on addiction, went into AARC at around fourteen or fifteen. Those years of hard-living gave Joshy that wisdom he likes to impart to everyone. What he has always failed to mention wherever he shows up, is that he went back to AARC as a peer counselor. So he has a lot to lose once this finally collapses. Now Joshy was mentioned as a "person of interest" in one of the rapes at AARC. I personally don't believe that someone demonstrating the particular freakiness of old Joshy is capable of physically performing the sex act with a live human, but he may have had a role as an accomplice.
At times it is hard to tell one from the other. The American kiddie-fucker usually talks about himself and has no knowledge of Canadian laws or any of the personalities involved, which exposes him occasionally. Joshy is almost illiterate, and although loves to speak about himself as much as the American kiddie-fucker, his attacks on the victims are generaly of a more personal nature, as he has made it his business to recycle anything the Wiz farts into his mouth.
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Then there is 5 o’clock Charlie (Ajax13) who is so threatened by AARC’s success (because his girlfriend was one of the few who didn’t do well there) that she has tasked him with trying to discredit AARC and their employees. Most recent attempts to discredit AARC as a program have been pointing out the weight conditions of various employees. Mocking employees who played hockey in college and anyone who attempted to further educate themselves above the highschool level (or any level above himself) is a target of his ridicule. Ajax13’s latest Gaffe is trying to convince readers that everyone who resides in Canada (and was educated to a doctorate level in the United States) is required to go by the title Mister (not Doctor).
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The central theme of this post is the fact that AARC has reversed it's efforts to sell itself as a facility providing the most current medical therapy to treat addiction, and are now trying to present themselves as a temperance fellowship like AA. As they claim that addiction is a progressive, lifelong and fatal disease, which they treat with a self-described intensive program that goes on all day, every day for months and requires the client be removed from their home for months, it is rather facile to equate AARC with AA, in which membersip is voluntary and free. AARC holds people against their will until they embrace the particular theology behind AARC, and costs $50 000 per year. The fact that AARC staff is performing a Restricted Activity as described in the Alberta Health Professions Act is irrefutable.
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A much better post, Ajax13. Well thought out and articulate. Those “smear posts” just make you look like some kid who is pissed that they got an “F” on their last paper. Welcome to the adult world of discussion.
The fact that AARC staff is performing a Restricted Activity as described in the Alberta Health Professions Act is irrefutable.
Not sure I agree that it is irrefutable but it can be open for discussion. There may be various ways to define the methods used within AARC’s program. There are many people that feel their methods are harsh (but effective) and others who do not view this as restrictive activity at all. The important thing is that AARC needs to stay within the boundaries of the methods they prescribe in their model and agreement under whatever license they are working to. If therapy is needed then they need to employ a therapist for those specific duties or be overseen by a person who is qualified and licensed (outside agency).
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Kiddie-fucker, the AARC treatment centre has no license whatsoever. The organization that operates it has a license to run a charity. The organization's treatment centre, and it's staff, are entirely unlicensed. The term Restricted Activity refers to a list of activities that can only legally be performed by licensed professionals in Alberta. These activities are laid out very clearly in the Alberta Health Professions Act. AARC has made it very clear in their statement of their role that their staff is performing psychosocial intervention, a Restricted Activity as described in the Alberta Health Professions act. The list of Restricted Activities, and AARC's description of it's practises have been posted numerous times in this forum. As the particular Restricted Activity to which I have referred, performing a psychosocial intervention with the accompanying provisions laid out in the act, describes exactly the day-to-day practises of the staff at AARC, it is indeed an irrefutable fact that the staff is breaking the law every day at AARC.
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Kiddie-fucker, the AARC treatment centre has no license whatsoever. The organization that operates it has a license to run a charity. The organization's treatment centre, and it's staff, are entirely unlicensed. The term Restricted Activity refers to a list of activities that can only legally be performed by licensed professionals in Alberta. These activities are laid out very clearly in the Alberta Health Professions Act. AARC has made it very clear in their statement of their role that their staff is performing psychosocial intervention, a Restricted Activity as described in the Alberta Health Professions act. The list of Restricted Activities, and AARC's description of it's practises have been posted numerous times in this forum. As the particular Restricted Activity to which I have referred, performing a psychosocial intervention with the accompanying provisions laid out in the act, describes exactly the day-to-day practises of the staff at AARC, it is indeed an irrefutable fact that the staff is breaking the law every day at AARC.
Well, Either they are not telling the truth or you are not telling the truth and since the cat has been out of the bag for some time now it seems you are the one who is mistaken because their license covers the model they presently have in place. You are in no position to determine what is legal and what isnt. The city of Alberta has that authority and they disagree with you Ajax13, you should leave this to the professionals. Try sticking to something easier like spotting people who are overweight. You seem to be good at that and doesnt require too much education to make a diagnosis.
There are no laws that have been broken (period). You need to study up, the guy that cooks your burgers down the street probably isnt a licensed chef either, you should get on that one real quick and letthe city know.
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The city of Alberta has that authority and they disagree with you Ajax13, you should leave this to the professionals.
Yes ajax, let's just leave it to the city of Alberta. This person obviously knows what they're talking about.
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I have to go along with guest (I wish more people would get a user name here). If any of you are familiar with 5th estate you would know they do (and did) a very though background check on AARC and the people they interviewed. So we do know that AARC has the proper licenses (if needed at all) and the employees as well. This place has been scrutinized so much lately that if they had one unpaid parking ticket it would be exposed.
It is a safe bet that AARC is legitimate. It seems this guy Ajax is trying to dig for dirt where there isn’t any for some reason. Someone mentioned a bad relationship with the place as a motivation.
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You wish people would get a user name here... like you? Sorry, I guess I'm just not as brave as you. Might expose myself.
The Fifth Estate found a lot of serious issues with AARC in it's "though" investigation, as you mentioned. It also appears that the city of Alberta and the province of Calgary are quite concerned about this "unlicensed, unmonitored, unregulated, non-medically accredited treatment centre." - Their words, not mine.
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If you don't know what licenses are needed, then how could you know if AARC had the proper ones? Perhaps you could point out the difference between what AARC does and the Restricted Activity described in the Health Professions Act.
Rather than making inapplicable and irrelevant analagies between intensive long-term forced treatment in AARC and fast-food preparation, why don't you try this:
What does AARC do?
Are there regulations in Alberta that apply to AARC's practises as they relate directly to the clients?
If so, does the organization and the staff meet the criteria spelled out in such regulations?
It's quite easy, and requires no analogies, no similes, no metaphors and no personal anecdotes about anything.
Joshy, you know what my motivation is. What about yours? You fail to mention that your compulsion to stifle any discussion of the entirely outlaw nature of AARC grew out of your instinct for self-preservation. Relax. It's highly unlikely you'll have to answer for anything you did when you worked there, unless the Wiz can pin something on you to avoid taking the fall himself. There's no forensic evidence linking you to anything, so you should be okay.
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You wish people would get a user name here... like you? Sorry, I guess I'm just not as brave as you. Might expose myself.
The Fifth Estate found a lot of serious issues with AARC in it's "though" investigation, as you mentioned. It also appears that the city of Alberta and the province of Calgary are quite concerned about this "unlicensed, unmonitored, unregulated, non-medically accredited treatment centre." - Their words, not mine.
But you failed to mention that they are operating legally and have an 85% success rate with their graduates 4 years out. They dont have a pilots license either!
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Did you want to try to answer any of those questions?
Once more:
What do the staff at AARC do with regard to the clients?
Is there any regulatory criteria within Alberta that applies to the practises of AARC staff toward the clients in AARC?
Does the staff and the organization meet that criteria?
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Did you want to try to answer any of those questions?
Once more:
What do the staff at AARC do with regard to the clients?
Is there any regulatory criteria within Alberta that applies to the practises of AARC staff toward the clients in AARC?
Does the staff and the organization meet that criteria?
Look, Ajax, I spent a few days in the past trying to have a civil conversation with you and you failed to answer one question that I asked. Why should someone speak To you on your terms.
Answer me this. What constitutes obese and how is that relevant to the day to day operations of AARC?
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Being seriously overweight constitutes obese. I don't know what that has to do with the day to day operations at AARC. So what is it that the AARC staff do, in regard to the clients?
Are there any laws and/or regulations that pertain to those activities in within Alberta?
If so, do the staff at AARC comply with those regulations?
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Being seriously overweight constitutes obese. I don't know what that has to do with the day to day operations at AARC.
Exactly, you don’t know, yet you bring it up.
So what is it that the AARC staff do, in regard to the clients?
Keep them safe and help them towards a healthier lifestyle
Are there any laws and/or regulations that pertain to those activities in within Alberta?
Literally hundreds of laws apply, from civil rights to personal safety.
If so, do the staff at AARC comply with those regulations?
Yes they do.
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I am from Alberta and have a neice who is having trouble. You make it sound so nice, do they really have a 85% success rate? Is this for kids on drugs? Are the kids separated from the adults?
Is there a place that I can get more information?
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I am from Alberta and have a neice who is having trouble. You make it sound so nice, do they really have a 85% success rate? Is this for kids on drugs? Are the kids separated from the adults?
Is there a place that I can get more information?
Hi Mary here is some info which should help:
AARC Website (http://http://www.aarc.ab.ca/media/index.html)
The Alberta Adolescent Recovery Centre is registered under the Societies Act of Alberta and as a charitable organization by the Canada Revenue Agency under the Income Tax Act (#13219 9480 RR0001).
The organization is also accredited by the Canadian Accreditation Council (http://www.cacohs.com (http://www.cacohs.com)). This non-profit organization has worked with community organizations like AARC for over twenty years.
AARC Telephone: (403) 253-5250
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I am from Alberta and have a neice who is having trouble. You make it sound so nice, do they really have a 85% success rate? Is this for kids on drugs? Are the kids separated from the adults?
Is there a place that I can get more information?
Hi Mary here is some info which should help:
AARC Website (http://http://www.aarc.ab.ca/media/index.html)
The Alberta Adolescent Recovery Centre is registered under the Societies Act of Alberta and as a charitable organization by the Canada Revenue Agency under the Income Tax Act (#13219 9480 RR0001).
The organization is also accredited by the Canadian Accreditation Council (http://www.cacohs.com (http://www.cacohs.com)). This non-profit organization has worked with community organizations like AARC for over twenty years.
AARC Telephone: (403) 253-5250
"Query" and "Answer" were exactly 6 minutes apart... :roflmao:
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Thank you!
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No problem Mary. And I also know of a really good therapist for post traumatic stress disorder when she gets out. Good luck to you.
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Mary, If you are still logged in, I assumed your niece lives in Alberta but I wanted to let you know that AARC has also opened up a second treatment facility in Calgary.
To support the team effort in both Centres, independent psychiatric, medical and counselling consultants regularly work with our teens. Dr. Lori Hogg provides ongoing psychiatric consultation including assessment and diagnosis expertise. Peter Choate, a seasoned social worker, provides AARC with independent addiction assessments and counselling interventions for clients, siblings and parents. Dr. Alan Stanhope teams with Dr. Dan Botha to provide AARC with medical assessment and ongoing support.
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Is there some deep-seated psychological need for validation that drives them to this? Seriously, is ANYONE not going to notice the pure fakery of "Mary"?
"But if we put it out there, then it'll negate all the damage done if the wrong person finds that thread!"
No. No, actually, it won't.
You lose.
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I am not suppose to say this but personally I would recommend Calgary, at this time, because the kids get a little more one on one attention there. AARC is at capacity right now and has just lost a key staff person. Their quality hasn’t suffered but Calgary can offer more attention at this time until Alberta can get new people in.
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Silly American pedophile, Calgary is a city within the Province of Alberta. AARC has only one facility, but for some reason has tried to pass off the operation as two distinct entities. They acquired the neighboring building, attached it to the old one, and put Markin's name on one part, McCaig's on the other. Never let the facts get in the way when you're trying to antagonize crime victims.
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Mary, If you are still logged in, I assumed your niece lives in Alberta but I wanted to let you know that AARC has also opened up a second treatment facility in Calgary.
To support the team effort in both Centres, independent psychiatric, medical and counselling consultants regularly work with our teens. Dr. Lori Hogg provides ongoing psychiatric consultation including assessment and diagnosis expertise. Peter Choate, a seasoned social worker, provides AARC with independent addiction assessments and counselling interventions for clients, siblings and parents. Dr. Alan Stanhope teams with Dr. Dan Botha to provide AARC with medical assessment and ongoing support.
I am not suppose to say this but personally I would recommend Calgary, at this time, because the kids get a little more one on one attention there. AARC is at capacity right now and has just lost a key staff person. Their quality hasn’t suffered but Calgary can offer more attention at this time until Alberta can get new people in.
Silly American pedophile, Calgary is a city within the Province of Alberta.
:roflmao: Might this be a ... Whooter exposé!?
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I am not suppose to say this but personally I would recommend Calgary, at this time, because the kids get a little more one on one attention there. AARC is at capacity right now and has just lost a key staff person. Their quality hasn’t suffered but Calgary can offer more attention at this time until Alberta can get new people in.
Thanks for the info. She actually lives in Canmore so either would work. Thank you so much for the information, my sister and I speak every weekend and I will bring up the idea with her. Love this site!
Mary
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Right. Canmore is equally close to both doors of the facility.
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Mary, If you are still logged in, I assumed your niece lives in Alberta but I wanted to let you know that AARC has also opened up a second treatment facility in Calgary.
To support the team effort in both Centres, independent psychiatric, medical and counselling consultants regularly work with our teens. Dr. Lori Hogg provides ongoing psychiatric consultation including assessment and diagnosis expertise. Peter Choate, a seasoned social worker, provides AARC with independent addiction assessments and counselling interventions for clients, siblings and parents. Dr. Alan Stanhope teams with Dr. Dan Botha to provide AARC with medical assessment and ongoing support.
I am not suppose to say this but personally I would recommend Calgary, at this time, because the kids get a little more one on one attention there. AARC is at capacity right now and has just lost a key staff person. Their quality hasn’t suffered but Calgary can offer more attention at this time until Alberta can get new people in.
Silly American pedophile, Calgary is a city within the Province of Alberta.
:roflmao: Might this be a ... Whooter exposé!?
What is wrong with this who creature? As Ajex says, his motivation seems to be nothing greater than antagonizing crime victims.
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What is wrong with this who creature? As Ajex says, his motivation seems to be nothing greater than antagonizing crime victims
I cant believe you said that!! if you read through this thread (as well as others) you will see that it is Ajax (who never went to a program) who is the one antagonizing survivors of AARC, in fact it seems to be his main motivation as you pointed out.
Its funny how blind some are here and easily duped into accepting a double standard. So is antagonizing survivors acceptable here on fornits? Or is it okay as long as they have a different point of view than yours? If we all know the rules than it becomes easier to follow them.
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Calm down, we antagonize everyone equally here. There just so happens to be more survivors here than parents and program staff here on fornits so it just seems that staff and parents are antagonized more. I realize that antagonizing survivors is fair but it just stands out more to us because most of us are not use to it.
Just because Ajax was never sent to a program doesnt mean he cannot antagonize survivors, programs or staff. There are no rules, somepeople are just more sensitive then others.
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A lot of AARC survivors are in hiding - people who have been raped, molested, assaulted, physically abused, psychologically tormented, etc... They aren't coming forward because they've been convinced that they deserved it. It was their (or their 'disease's') fault. Maybe ajax antagonizes them as you say, but maybe someone needs to incite some anger in them. It has a lot to do with intent. I have no doubt that ajax's intent is to help AARC survivors. I do, however, doubt that Vause's intent to 'help kids' is genuine when he has repeatedly shown that he will throw any AARC grad under the bus if they dare challenge or criticize his cult. Especially if they have valid claims of abuse and pose a threat to his operations. Vause's intent is to shut them up and protect himself. For that reason, I'd be willing to bet that ajax cares more about the kids sitting in AARC right now than Vause does.
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A lot of AARC survivors are in hiding - people who have been raped, molested, assaulted, physically abused, psychologically tormented, etc... They aren't coming forward because they've been convinced that they deserved it. It was their (or their 'disease's') fault. Maybe ajax antagonizes them as you say, but maybe someone needs to incite some anger in them. It has a lot to do with intent. I have no doubt that ajax's intent is to help AARC survivors. I do, however, doubt that Vause's intent to 'help kids' is genuine when he has repeatedly shown that he will throw any AARC grad under the bus if they dare challenge or criticize his cult. Especially if they have valid claims of abuse and pose a threat to his operations. Vause's intent is to shut them up and protect himself. For that reason, I'd be willing to bet that ajax cares more about the kids sitting in AARC right now than Vause does.
This guy vause spends his life 24/7 caring about these kids. If you put as much energy into helping someone as he does and then if one turns around and lies about you and events that occurred I think you would be a little hurt too.
Ajax, on the other hand, ridicules people he doesn’t even know (from the shadows), calls them liars and makes fun of how they look, their weight and where they went to school etc. There is a big difference. Vause is out there everyday, you can drive over and have a talk with him. Ajax on the other hand is a coward.
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Funny that you used the word coward, because if I had to use one word to describe Vause it would be just that.
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Funny that you used the word coward, because if I had to use one word to describe Vause it would be just that.
That doesn’t surprise me. Then you probably feel a person who hides in the shadows and takes pot shots at people is acting very brave.
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You seem to think that if you manage to discredit ajax, then that makes Vause a great man. What anyone thinks about ajax is completely irrelevant to the fact that Dean Vause is a coward.
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Funny that you used the word coward, because if I had to use one word to describe Vause it would be just that.
That doesn’t surprise me. Then you probably feel a person who hides in the shadows and takes pot shots at people is acting very brave.
ROFLMAO!!! I can see that YOU are advertising your identity loud and clear!
Btw, there is a BIG difference between victims of abuse being reticent about making their identities public, yet speaking out against the injustice of what was done to them ...and proponents of an organization, that proclaims itself to be transparent and aboveboard, sneaking around attempting to sabotage exposure of said misdeeds.
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You seem to think that if you manage to discredit ajax, then that makes Vause a great man. What anyone thinks about ajax is completely irrelevant to the fact that Dean Vause is a coward.
No that wasnt the logic used.
One person is approachable and stands behind what he believes, has a name and an address that makes him easily found. So he is easily held accountable for what he says and does. On the other hand Ajax hides in the shadows and attacks peoples weight conditions and the school that they attend as well as their degree of education and has no intention of being held accountable for what he says which doesnt give him any incentive to tell the truth when lies can be more effective.
There doesnt need to be a great deal of discussion on who the coward is.
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Funny that you used the word coward, because if I had to use one word to describe Vause it would be just that.
That doesn’t surprise me. Then you probably feel a person who hides in the shadows and takes pot shots at people is acting very brave.
ROFLMAO!!! I can see that YOU are advertising your identity loud and clear!
Btw, there is a BIG difference between victims of abuse being reticent about making their identities public, yet speaking out against the injustice of what was done to them ...and proponents of an organization, that proclaims itself to be transparent and aboveboard, sneaking around attempting to sabotage exposure of said misdeeds.
Well sure but this guy Vause can never compete with a forum like fornits. He is out in the open and is held accountable for everything he says and would face lawsuits if he openly lied. The posters here on fornits can say whatever they like. They could say they were abused and raped or subjected to mind control and they don’t have any fear of being held accountable for their claims. On my next post I could make fantastic claims of being abused and no one would be the wiser and Vause would be made to defend himself and AARC against my report.
Guilty until proven innocent.
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I'm sure you're one of those people who dismiss all of the allegations are "hearsay," right? You know, people generally tend to abuse kids in private settings. I know some of you think that the lack of eyewitnesses is awfully convenient for the psychotic liars who claim that they were abused at AARC. Although most of us can attest to the fact that we witnessed psychological, emotional and physical abuse, without witness testimonials, it is a challenge to prove some of the other allegations. Not impossible though, and with all of the facts that are coming to light, it really is just a matter of time. Look at how long Kids took to get shut down, and they had the kids flapping their arms for the camera crews.
Remember how they used to make us listen to a song before every rap? You could usually guess what the rap was going to be about and who was going to be targeted judging by the song they chose. I can't even tell you how sick I was of hearing "Never Surrender" by Corey Hart. Or once, when someone was fighting their Step 1 and not surrendering, they played Barry Manilow for an entire month so that we all hated that person until they finally gave in. Now, before you guys get all crazy and suggest that I think we were tortured with Barry Manilow's music, calm down. I'm sure that taunting your patients with music is a medically proven practice. I was just thinking today about how much I look forward to seeing the Wiz in the hot seat, having to confront his lies and the harm he's caused others. It might be a while before that happens, but for now Dean, here's your song:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e6M88plP2XU (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e6M88plP2XU)
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You know, people generally tend to abuse kids in private settings.
this is true. people don't usually get raped in front of future witnesses
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They perform "psychosocial intervention" oh my goodness!! This is a little less then your local AA group does in the basement of churches
Except AA is free, not to mention voluntary. Members are not forced to go home with and be looked after by other members.
In AA if you decide to leave you won't be chased down and dragged back.
In AA you are not "set back" or demoted to "Step one" unless you actually relapse, in AARC you can be set back for non-compliance that has nothing to do with drinking/drug use.
In AA you are not going to lose contact with your family. You choose if you talk to your family or not. Not so in AARC.
In AA parents are not required to disassemble their homes, and create a host home, and house other clients, leaving themselves 100% liable as AARC is "nonresidential".
AARC interferes with and stunts a youth's natural development of themselves, damages their relationship with their family. Youth don't regularly attend school while in AARC, and are afraid of the world when they eventually graduate to the point that they cling to the AARC and relationships they've developed there.
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Yes, there's a big difference between holding voluntary, free of charge meetings in the basements of churches, and incarcerating teens for years and filling their minds with complete bullshit. A.A. works for a minute percentage of adults, so claiming that it works for 85% of AARC's teen clientele is, again, complete bullshit.
"Dr. Whitfield agrees that AA's effectiveness can't be explained in scientific terms, or tested in controlled studies."
What that really means is, "A.A. doesn't work. It isn't effective at all. That's why it fails every real test. The reason that they can't explain how it works is because it doesn't work."
And the so-called "abundant anecdotal evidence that the 12 Steps do work", about which Thomas Anderson wrote, is completely worthless. That is just a few people telling cherry-picked stories. Just because some people are confused about cause and effect relationships, and have been fooled into thinking that the 12 steps did something for them, and then tell stories about those beliefs, does not prove that the 12 Steps actually worked and cured patients. For many centuries, quack doctors, snake oil salesmen, and fake faith healers have been making plenty of money by taking advantage of such confusion — constantly repeating grandiose anecdotal stories of allegedly wonderful successful cures that came from using snake oil and voodoo charms.
Those few people who actually do quit drinking while going to A.A. meetings are mostly just those people who were going to quit anyway — or who have already quit — because they got sick and tired of being sick and tired, and decided to save their own lives. They do the hard work of quitting, and then A.A. takes the credit for their work, and claims that it somehow made them quit.
Try SMART. That is, Self Management And Recovery Training. They use common sense and simple logic to quit and stay quit. For them, quitting definitely IS an option. I also hear good things about SOS, and WFS.
http://www.orange-papers.org/orange-cult_a0.html (http://www.orange-papers.org/orange-cult_a0.html)