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Treatment Abuse, Behavior Modification, Thought Reform => The Troubled Teen Industry => Topic started by: Anonymous on August 12, 2003, 08:40:00 PM
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I think it is disgusting, what all of you are doing. Particularily, Lee and Nancy Colburn, Sue Scheff, Jeff Berryman, Lynn, Karen Z, and the rest of you phony dirtbags. You are NOT grasping the issue at hand. You are NOT assisting children who have been victims of abusive treatment facilities/behavior modification programs/boot camps/military schools/WWASP/Straights, Inc./PCS/Pathways/Satan, etc. You are all simply sneaky,greedy, money grubbing assholes. The whole PURE scandal has REALLY irritated me, because at one time or another I have been in direct contact with each of the people I listed. Each person presented themself as kind, compassionate and caring people working to help those in need. I never knew about all the behind the scenes tricks you're pulling. All the sick-ass motives you have, putting kids in "better" programs. All "treatment facilities" are bullshit, they're all the same. With the exception of actual DRUG REHAB CENTERS, all treatment facilities should be eliminated. All I see you doing now is acting like fools, pointing fingers,creating "smoke and mirrors" to hold out your scam just a little bit longer. You are no better than WWASP. None of you. Turbinekat (Colburns), get a life. You consistently speak disrespectfully to others on this, and other forums and act as if you know EVERYTHING there is to know about the subject of Teen Behavior Facilities. Have you experienced even a second of it? Have you even been to one, seen one? Have you woken up in a cold sweat, crying about things you've experienced? No. You dream about swimming in a pool of money. All you people are doing, PURE, and whatnot, whoever else...Educational Consultants,is trying tp put WWASP out of business to fatten up your little wallets. I continue on MY crusade to do what's RIGHT, because I want to. BECAUSE I KNOW THAT NO OTHER PERSON SHOULD EVER HAVE TO EXPERIENCE WHAT I WENT THROUGH, AND WHAT I AM FORCED TO GO THROUGH EVERY SINGLE DAY OF MY LIFE. I know right from wrong, and I'm 17. It is COMPLETELY clear that what you people are doing is WRONG. Take a look in the mirror, and think about how many weary parents you have taken advantage of today, with your garbled bullshit lies. I can't take this shit from you people! :
You make me totally sick!skull:
wave:Melissa Rein,Humanitarian
Spring Creek Lodge Survivor
Doing my part to protect the future of others.
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"BECAUSE I KNOW THAT NO OTHER PERSON SHOULD EVER HAVE TO EXPERIENCE WHAT I WENT THROUGH, AND WHAT I AM FORCED TO GO THROUGH EVERY SINGLE DAY OF MY LIFE."
Care to share your story. I'm listening.
Betsy - P.S. I've been accused of being a WWASP supporter. I just like to hear real stories from real people and tell it like I see it.
Take care.
Betsy
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[ This Message was edited by: KarenZ on 2003-10-17 15:50 ]
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Karen:
A wolf in sheeps clothing? Read your attacks on the voy forum. sugary here, like a vulture over there. http://www.voy.com/58570/ (http://www.voy.com/58570/)
I'm with Melissa - I wouldn't trust you. PERIOD even if you say you are against WWASPS. You're on a crusade and any excuse will do.
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[ This Message was edited by: KarenZ on 2003-10-17 15:51 ]
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To PURE & COMPANY:
Oh what a tangled web we weave
When first we practice to deceive ...
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Karen -what about Bruce?? You aren't outwardly attacking, but you are manipulating him BIG TIME - sorry Melissa, I know this has nothing to do with this thread.
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this one is definently a plant. no listing of a melissa rein ever at spring creek lodge. would you like to come forward humanitarian. i do not recall viewing your name on any legal case either that is currently in the works.
is this one of the sheep we have been warned about.
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Well, that explains everything ... except why Karen Z. would want to get "reacquainted" with someone who does not even exist.
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Give it a rest, Karen Z. Not only do you not have your facts straight, but as usual, you are exposing your ASSets for the world to see.
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>>" no listing of a melissa rein ever at spring creek lodge. " <<
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Is there a listing somewhere of all kids ever at Spring Creek Lodge? Is there an alumni group for ALL WWASPS facilities? How may I access such a list, as I would like to ask a broader spectrum of teenagers who experienced the Program how they now feel...not from parents posting on their childrens' behalf.
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Are you kidding me? I was in Serenity Family, and Dream Family on the upper levels. I slept in bed 3 in the lower level cabin, and Krista Vulles was my family rep, and on the upper levels Cammy Shaw was my family rep. I got pulled level 5, shift two trainer.
If you don't believe me, please give me a call and you can talk to my dad.
303-829-8733, call anytime of day!
By the way, I was in the program from 5/27/01 to 10/09/03.....
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This is Me, Melissa. I'm 17 so obviously you won't be reading my name on any of the legal work, IM A MINOR! How can you not find my name anywhere? How is there even a way to search that? Regardless, I was there 17 months, and I got pulled on level 5 when my parents found out what was going on while I was on my homepass. The complete version of my story is available to you in the May issue of YM magazine. Or if you have any specific questions you may address me directly. Otherwise, I don't have the time to defend myself of your ludicrious slander. I feel that everyone posting on these boards has the obligation to be truthful in their posts, and that is exactly what I am doing. I am here PROTESTING the mumbo-jumbo smoke and mirrors PURE vs. WWASP, lawsuits and bullshit litigations, because I want to hear what we can do to help kids already in these dangerous programs. As well as working to limit these programs to save tomorrows troubled youths. If you think what I'm saying sounds far too complex and coherent for a teenager to write, I am studying to be a journalist, so I completely understand every angle each of you is trying to see me from. It's the the communist hunts people went on while we were paranoid of the Asian governmental system. You're all doing the same thing, scooting the blame around while dusting your shirts off at the same time. So don't try this turnaround on me, I'm the reality of it all. You're all a bunch of phony's because you're not here for a purpose. So for the record, you can shut the fuck up and don't turn your shitty little accusations on me. So thanks you prick.
MElissa Rein
If you feel necessary...please don't hesitate to call me!
303-829-8733
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i dont think we question that melissa was at SCL, BUT is she with the class action or a person in disguise? i believe she was in at SCL, but her first post telling us to call the PR firm is very questionable. can anyone check to see if she is with the class action?
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Why is her post suggesting people talk to the PR guys questionable? It's possible that the PR guys may decide they don't want to represent WWASP when they hear what really goes on.
It's also possible that they are trying to be devious. That's a judgment call that even an adult might have difficulty with-- so why are you criticizing a teenager for possibly being naive?
Second, Bruce's posts on Voy were parroting WWASP's "get over yourself, the kids are all lying about abuse, it was fine" line-- until Layne stepped in and Bruce had to admit that there *was* abuse in his case. Bruce seemed to be arguing that everyone but Layne was exaggerating-- but when Layne posted, Bruce had to admit that there was at least one true story of abuse.
And this occurred within the ordinary context of the school-- it was not one rogue staff member, but a concerted bullying by the institution itself within its ordinary policies but beyond Bruce's ability to rationalize.
That should be enough to call the entire enterprise into question as not well enough regulated or overseen to be healthy for kids.
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Interesting exchange here:
On 2003-08-12 23:16:00, Anonymous wrote:
">>" no listing of a melissa rein ever at spring creek lodge. " <<
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Is there a listing somewhere of all kids ever at Spring Creek Lodge? Is there an alumni group for ALL WWASPS facilities? How may I access such a list, as I would like to ask a broader spectrum of teenagers who experienced the Program how they now feel...not from parents posting on their childrens' behalf."
See, WWASP (and all similar Synanon based groups) sever communications with people "not in good standing" with the "group". Not only do they insist on broken ties among former and current members "in good standing", but they usually insist on wiping the very memory of the ejected or escaped members from the minds and mouths of current members.
Just because WWASP won't tell you the names of people who've been in their programs doesn't mean those people were not in those programs.
Straight and The Seed were exactly the same way.
What a distressing contrast there is between the radiant intelligence of the child and the feeble mentality of the average adult.
-- Sigmund Freud
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Would a psychiatrist or counselor release the names of their clients? Would any "program" release a list of their students? I'm sure there are those that do have a list, of course. The person that posted that Melissa was not a student there could have that list, either current or former employee of Spring Creek?
As to the court suits filed. It would list the parents - what is their last name if different from Melissa's?
I'm not convinced she is a real former student that got pulled and is now some sort of advocate. Anyone can write they were part of such and such family, dates, and even information that would make it sound REAL.
What does a phone number and conversation prove?
Betsy
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Antigen - there are many former WWASPS students (one's that did not graduate) that are still welcome at the support group meetings and have been okay'd to post on their BBS. The only thing they can't take advantage of is the warranty if their child did not graduate.
They are not allowed to post on the BBS if they are posting allegations that their child used to come home early. Truth is one thing, fiction hurts.
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Welcome to the board Melissa. I've been around here a while and my advice would be to ignore about 2/3 of the posters. Most of them are afraid of their own shadows.
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Well whatever, I give up... I have a life and whatnot and I'm not going to argue with you. I'm going in to see the PR rep tomorrow, I simply suggested that because the guy was pretty helpful to me on the phone and he seemed genuinely concerned. So I guess I'll take my chances. But whatever...and yes, I'm on the class-action thing, I just joined the other day. But if you really want to, call Spring Creek up and pretend you're looking for my academic records... that's the proof, they'll send them right over to ya.
Ciao
MElissa
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Melissa,
Did your attorney advise you on this decision? What did he think? I would hope that he is working for your best interest and would advise you accordingly.
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I ditto Deborah. I am sure Mr. Wall is a nice, great guy, but remember he is being paid by WWASPS. Part of his stragedy is to see what victims are saying, so he can figure out how to discredit you and many others. Sorry, but this is the way I see it. I don't mean harm by this just wanted you to think about it before you attend. As Deborah said, what does your lawyer say about it?
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Melissa,
I believe you. I read your article in YM.I sent it to my cousin whose daughter had been escorted to SCL. YOU ARE helping other kids even when you are not aware of it.Thank You for having shared your story.
My son was a student at SCl.SCL staff lied to me repeatedy. I invested in their "progressive academics." That has turned out to be a bad joke.
Melissa the Pr firm is being financed by WWASP. Big bucks.The money we parents spent /spend on our children's behalf,WWASP is spending on glossy lying brochures and PR firms.To continue the lie,fraud.....Beware of nice people who get paid by WWASP. It is a hard lesson to learn....
Join the action.You WILL be helping the other kids still incarcerated in WWASP facilities.....
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If YOU had such a bad experience with SCL, then what motivated your sister to send her kid to the same place? This doesn't make any sense.
Another thing is you said you invested in their progressive academics? The academics are there for the kids that choose to do the work. Your son wasted your money. The staff lied to you? Is that in response to your son telling you the truth? Being truthful is not a trait of a troubled teen.
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Melissa or whoever - is there a link to the YM article?
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OOOPS.. Sorry about the typo. I meant to say what motivated your cousin...not your sister.
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Whoa... Is that Ken Kay speaking?:-)
You WWASPies are all the same. Because you are sooooo unskilled,you blame your inept,mistreatment of kids on the kids..How sick is that...
Reread sister, I never said I encourged anyone to send their kid to SCL. My gaol was for her take her OUT.......It's amazing what truth can be found out AFTER you are allowed to speak with your child after many, many months.....SICK PROGRAM.
My son NEVER lied. HE told me they were ignorant hicks, uneducated, abusive.I didnt believe him. Thanks to our Family rep whom I DID believe....
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Anon wrote:
If YOU had such a bad experience with SCL, then what motivated your sister to send her kid to the same place? This doesn't make any sense.
It really doesn't make sense does it? I told a neighbor on many ocassions about the nightmare I was experiencing with the industry when my son was incarcerated, against my wishes.
I moved away. She sent her son to a wilderness program about a year later. He died there, from medical neglect.
She just couldn't hear. When parents are desperate to dump their problems, other's warnings are easily minimized.
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Being truthful is not a trait of a troubled teen.
Nor, is it a trait of a money-grubbing program with a conflict of interest.
"Parent, buy this progressive academics package. But remember, we will not encourage or support your son in his education....because we're too f-in busy punishing him for looking up or out the window, or speaking without permission. Control is very time consuming, and modifying behavior (abuse) is far more important than ensuring an education."
My son returned from a "college-prep TBS" in Ga five credits behind his peers. He was scoring As and Bs there. Wake up parents. $5000/mo- that's a whole bunch of tutoring and mentoring. You could hire a college student to hang out with your teen every moment s/he wasn't in school. Hell, you could hire a therapist to do the same. Kinda like a nanny for your teen.
Deborah
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I never felt I was dumping my problems.
Seeking assistance in a crisis maybe.
I made a HUGE mistake.I trusted the untrustworthy in a time of need. I take responsibility for that.
Now that I know the truth. The truth my son was trying to get me to hear,I have another responsibiltiy.To try and stop the fraud,abuse perpetrated upon desperated parents and their "temporarily troubled teens."
FYI I bought the tutors, college students. My child is a smart kid. Stubborn too.
Too stubborn, not smart enough, to "fake it to make" for the ignorant staff at SCL...
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Blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah!
Same old story, different day.
"I made a mistake, so now I need to blame somebody else to make myself feel better."
Ms. Victim's - WHERE ELSE DOES THIS SHOW UP IN YOUR LIFE? Good guess that this isn't the only time.
Geeeez! Who ya gonna call?
WWASPS-Busters?? :rofl:
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You can bet this victum will help bring wwasp to their knees.....Bury the lying bastards.
Nobody hurts my child and will get away with it.
Been there done that. Your cult jargon is BORING.....
Don't you have a parent to scam, a kid to enroll for a hefty fee?
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What is this progressive academics, or whatever academic program they've got going on? None of that was there when I was... they threw a book at you and expected you to learn Calculus.
I have no idea about links to my article, it was the May 2003 issue, I'm the "annonymous" girl, but everyone knows it's me. I'll look around for it and let you know if I find a way to access it on the 'net.
Melissa
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Hey wait... did I ever tell any of you that article was about me? I don't think I have mentioned it on this website....? Maybe I'm confused... do you know me?
Mel