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Treatment Abuse, Behavior Modification, Thought Reform => News Items => Topic started by: Anonymous on April 15, 2009, 12:34:39 AM
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Another solution could have been for Katie to lose some weight and quit cutting herself (maybe mix in some others colors other than black every other day) and that would have helped with the bullying and then show a little respect at home like her brothers did and all of this would have been avoided.
I dont think her brothers had a problem with the school system or home arrangements and put a lid on the drama. If they did they were smart enough not to get their asses sent away.Guest
i think those are the only two people who wuld have the dexterity to go and say that. If you want to insult me do it somewhere in your own mind please i dont want to hear the bullshit on here thankyou very much. :blabla: :lala: :feedtrolls: :fuckoff:
Doesn't this sound like Dianne? I recognize the attitude from her blog when talking about Katie. This woman is truly a vile creature,
Indeed, both Diane and Michael Carter (son of Carroll Joseph Carter, employee of Reynolds and Reynolds) of Dayton Ohio seem to be posting here as guests, insulting their own daughter.
From Micheal Carter’s Blog alternatively titled, “Inside the mind of a cult manipulated, child abusing feind,”
“Years ago, if you spilt coffee in you lap, it was your fault. Now you are a victim and suing the restaurant who gave you the hot coffee. If you lift up a running lawn mower and try to trim a hedge with it and cut off your hand - you are a victim of the company who made it because they didn't tell you not to do it, an build in safe guards to prevent it.”
And from fornits thread:
“There was a time that if you spilled hot coffee in your lap you would say “Wow, that was clumsy of me”… now it is”That wasn’t my fault, I need to sue someone”. When I ever saw that person posting on fornits all ready equipped with lawyers names and phone numbers for kids to sue someone else for their own fuck-ups I almost died.”
Wonder which of the the many kind comments are about Katie are also theirs?
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I agree. I don't think there is any coincidence that there has been a recent influx of "anti-Katie" / "Pro-parent" guests that seem to not only religiously defend their position but also divulge details about Katie's life and issues that have not regularly be addressed in these topics. My guess is that it is her step mother who is posting anon. Which is funny because Michael Carter spent much of his short visit to Fornits bashing us for not only posting anon but also having registered user names that were not outing of our full names and personal identities. (at which I totally lol'd...hard)
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I agree. I don't think there is any coincidence that there has been a recent influx of "anti-Katie" / "Pro-parent" guests that seem to not only religiously defend their position but also divulge details about Katie's life and issues that have not regularly be addressed in these topics. My guess is that it is her step mother who is posting anon. Which is funny because Michael Carter spent much of his short visit to Fornits bashing us for not only posting anon but also having registered user names that were not outing of our full names and personal identities. (at which I totally lol'd...hard)
Who know though.. These programmed people are psychopaths. Maybe they just saw an opportunity to verbally insult a vulnerable kid and couldn't resist? Maybe WWASP staff just wants to demoralize Katie away from suing? Maybe thewho re-appeared to advance his goal of making people think abusing their kids is good, Ha Ha. They are all so completely psycho! It’s impossible to know. Michael’s latest blog entry made me feel sorry for him again..He swings between pitifully crazy and hatefully abusive provoke a rollercoaster of emotions. Anyway, thank you for being so great.
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"As so many people have said, it is time for Katie to move on. She graduates from high school in less than two months, and turns 19 a month after that. As her older step-sister and brother did before her, it is time to be on her own (and hopefully attend college - wracking up the student loans just like they did and her two younger brothers will as well - isn't higher education wonderful :-) ).
As I have stated many times, I only want now, and have only wanted in the past, what is best for her and my family."So, ostensibly katie was so mentally ill she needed to be forcefully instutionalized for 3 years, but now, a few months after her release its time fro her to be completely on her own. I can't explain the thinking of these people. I cannot
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I agree. I don't think there is any coincidence that there has been a recent influx of "anti-Katie" / "Pro-parent" guests that seem to not only religiously defend their position but also divulge details about Katie's life and issues that have not regularly be addressed in these topics. My guess is that it is her step mother who is posting anon. Which is funny because Michael Carter spent much of his short visit to Fornits bashing us for not only posting anon but also having registered user names that were not outing of our full names and personal identities. (at which I totally lol'd...hard)
If you look at the writing styles it looks like Katie may be the one coming on here and bashing her step mom and dad. She does like the attention,causing problems and being sneaky which all fit her mo at home. We should watch these posts more closely.
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I agree. I don't think there is any coincidence that there has been a recent influx of "anti-Katie" / "Pro-parent" guests that seem to not only religiously defend their position but also divulge details about Katie's life and issues that have not regularly be addressed in these topics. My guess is that it is her step mother who is posting anon. Which is funny because Michael Carter spent much of his short visit to Fornits bashing us for not only posting anon but also having registered user names that were not outing of our full names and personal identities. (at which I totally lol'd...hard)
If you look at the writing styles it looks like Katie may be the one coming on here and bashing her step mom and dad. She does like the attention,causing problems and being sneaky which all fit her mo at home. We should watch these posts more closely.
Who^^^Middle aged, completely insane fornits troll for 5 years!!
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Yep, especially with his insisting on using the word "we". "We" should watch these posts more closely. "We" should do this, or that.
Just fuck off, will ya? Didn't you promise to leave and not to return?
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Its not surprising theWho is going after Femanon and katiesthoughts, since they are both new and don't know about his online shenanigans. Its also not very surprising that theWho cannot control his compulsion to harrass young, female, abuse survivors from the comfort of his empty home.
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So, ostensibly katie was so mentally ill she needed to be forcefully instutionalized for 3 years, but now, a few months after her release its time fro her to be completely on her own. I can't explain the thinking of these people. I cannot
I don’t think at this point more institutionalization would be helpful. My god 3 years is plenty. Personally I think it is time for her to get out on her own. It seems to me you are just reaching for straws to find fault with the parents. Where is the old argument that kids will do fine on their own? Emancipation? Run away from home. They would be better off living on the streets!! But now that the parents are suggesting it is a good idea that Katie leave everyone seems to be against it.
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So, ostensibly katie was so mentally ill she needed to be forcefully instutionalized for 3 years, but now, a few months after her release its time fro her to be completely on her own. I can't explain the thinking of these people. I cannot
I don’t think at this point more institutionalization would be helpful. My god 3 years is plenty. Personally I think it is time for her to get out on her own. It seems to me you are just reaching for straws to find fault with the parents. Where is the old argument that kids will do fine on their own? Emancipation? Run away from home. They would be better off living on the streets!! But now that the parents are suggesting it is a good idea that Katie leave everyone seems to be against it.
Hey, I'm all for it. The sooner and farther she gets away from those assholes, the better off she'll be.
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So, ostensibly katie was so mentally ill she needed to be forcefully instutionalized for 3 years, but now, a few months after her release its time fro her to be completely on her own. I can't explain the thinking of these people. I cannot
I don’t think at this point more institutionalization would be helpful. My god 3 years is plenty. Personally I think it is time for her to get out on her own. It seems to me you are just reaching for straws to find fault with the parents. Where is the old argument that kids will do fine on their own? Emancipation? Run away from home. They would be better off living on the streets!! But now that the parents are suggesting it is a good idea that Katie leave everyone seems to be against it.
Hey, I'm all for it. The sooner and farther she gets away from those assholes, the better off she'll be.
Looking back it probably would have been best if the parents and CC transitioned her out to college or her own apartment (as a plan "B"). Allowing her back into the household wasnt a good idea and didnt work from day 1. Katie will be fine and her siblings (and parents) will be fine. They just need to be apart for now.
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So, ostensibly katie was so mentally ill she needed to be forcefully instutionalized for 3 years, but now, a few months after her release its time fro her to be completely on her own. I can't explain the thinking of these people. I cannot
I don’t think at this point more institutionalization would be helpful. My god 3 years is plenty. Personally I think it is time for her to get out on her own. It seems to me you are just reaching for straws to find fault with the parents. Where is the old argument that kids will do fine on their own? Emancipation? Run away from home. They would be better off living on the streets!! But now that the parents are suggesting it is a good idea that Katie leave everyone seems to be against it.
Oh,who troll, and your pathetic attempts to confuse readers of fornits or divert examination away from uncomfortable topics!
I think it’s quite clear guest was not advocating more institutionalization, but pointied out that Katie was ostensibly held captive because she was grossly mentally disabled, but now, 3 months or so after the money ran out to fund her incarceration, Michael and Diane Carter want to throw her out of the house, independantly fund her college education and so on. If they expect her to function on a level even the most high-functioning 18 year olds are not expected to reach, they certainly cannot she is or was truly mentally ill. Therefore, Michael and Diane Carter never had her incarcerated because they believed she was genuinely grossly mentally disabled despite their protests to the contrary.
They incarcerated her because their abusive and psychologically deficient people who wanted a “nuisance” removed and “disciplined” and “punished.”
I am all for Katie leaving these mentally ill child abusers. Not only does she need to leave them, hard as that is for an 18 year old without age-appropriate skills or knowledge or a social support group, She also needs to file charges against them.
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So, ostensibly katie was so mentally ill she needed to be forcefully instutionalized for 3 years, but now, a few months after her release its time fro her to be completely on her own. I can't explain the thinking of these people. I cannot
I don’t think at this point more institutionalization would be helpful. My god 3 years is plenty. Personally I think it is time for her to get out on her own. It seems to me you are just reaching for straws to find fault with the parents. Where is the old argument that kids will do fine on their own? Emancipation? Run away from home. They would be better off living on the streets!! But now that the parents are suggesting it is a good idea that Katie leave everyone seems to be against it.
Hey, I'm all for it. The sooner and farther she gets away from those assholes, the better off she'll be.
Looking back it probably would have been best if the parents and CC transitioned her out to college or her own apartment (as a plan "B"). Allowing her back into the household wasnt a good idea and didnt work from day 1. Katie will be fine and her siblings (and parents) will be fine. They just need to be apart for now.
Wow. Just wow. You really demonstrate how abusive program parents and Synanon dirivative cultic ideology are to children. Kaite should not be "allowed" in her own homes? Because living with her own parents, in her own home, is a "privelege" some kids just don't "deserve," right?Christ.
Being inculcated in this way of thinking is how Micheal and Diane Carter, Dayton Ohio, became the abusive monsters they are today.
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So we agree that she will be better off outside the home, I dont see any confusion. The parents also agree and I am sure her siblings will not have a problem with it. So this is a win win all around.
As far as funding her own college expenses it seems you are trying to confuse things, a few of her siblings are already doing that! Why should Katie get any more money than her siblings get for college? She is not being singled out or treated differently.
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Because living with her own parents, in her own home, is a "privelege"
Its her parents house. After age 18 its time to move out. Dont tell me your 28 years old and living in your parents basement.
I hate to tell you but it is a privilege
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Because living with her own parents, in her own home, is a "privelege"
Its her parents house. After age 18 its time to move out. Dont tell me your 28 years old and living in your parents basement.
I hate to tell you but it is a privilege
AMEN to you guest. This generation feels so entitled. I can remember not being able to wait to turn 18 and get out on my own, make my own mistakes and start living my own life. It is a privilige to live in your parents house. It's a privilege to get a drivers license, own a car, etc. Once you get to be "of age" and you need to get out on your own.
And NO, it's not me, the Evil Step Monster that has been posting anonymously. I made sure that I had an account so you people couldn't say I wasn't being honest. You can see what I post.
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Because living with her own parents, in her own home, is a "privelege"
Its her parents house. After age 18 its time to move out. Dont tell me your 28 years old and living in your parents basement.
I hate to tell you but it is a privilege
AMEN to you guest. This generation feels so entitled. I can remember not being able to wait to turn 18 and get out on my own, make my own mistakes and start living my own life. It is a privilige to live in your parents house. It's a privilege to get a drivers license, own a car, etc. Once you get to be "of age" and you need to get out on your own.
And NO, it's not me, the Evil Step Monster that has been posting anonymously. I made sure that I had an account so you people couldn't say I wasn't being honest. You can see what I post.
QUOTED TO PERSERVE PROOF OF THE INSANITY
ps. diane. you are talking to the infamous fornits thetroll, who. mocks sexual abuse victims, defends the beating deaths of children in captivity and at one point posted about 100 times a day, and claims has a "fiduciary" interest in Aspen. Like seeks like, i supose.
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Because living with her own parents, in her own home, is a "privelege"
Its her parents house. After age 18 its time to move out. Dont tell me your 28 years old and living in your parents basement.
I hate to tell you but it is a privilege
And NO, it's not me, the Evil Step Monster that has been posting anonymously. I made sure that I had an account so you people couldn't say I wasn't being honest. You can see what I post.
Dear god, I would not have beleived this level of insanity and evil was possible had not Diane Carter appeared to establish it.
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Because living with her own parents, in her own home, is a "privelege"
Its her parents house. After age 18 its time to move out. Dont tell me your 28 years old and living in your parents basement.
I hate to tell you but it is a privilege
AMEN to you guest. This generation feels so entitled. I can remember not being able to wait to turn 18 and get out on my own, make my own mistakes and start living my own life. It is a privilige to live in your parents house. It's a privilege to get a drivers license, own a car, etc. Once you get to be "of age" and you need to get out on your own.
And NO, it's not me, the Evil Step Monster that has been posting anonymously. I made sure that I had an account so you people couldn't say I wasn't being honest. You can see what I post.
I have always been fascinated that kids think they are so entitled to everything and when they dont get it they consider it abusive. Even on the job many feel by just showing up they are entitled to get paid. They dont feel a need to work hard to get ahead or actually "earn" a weeks pay.
There are some rude awakenings ahead.
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Another solution could have been for Katie to lose some weight and quit cutting herself (maybe mix in some others colors other than black every other day) and that would have helped with the bullying and then show a little respect at home like her brothers did and all of this would have been avoided.
I dont think her brothers had a problem with the school system or home arrangements and put a lid on the drama. If they did they were smart enough not to get their asses sent away.Guest
i think those are the only two people who wuld have the dexterity to go and say that. If you want to insult me do it somewhere in your own mind please i dont want to hear the bullshit on here thankyou very much. :blabla: :lala: :feedtrolls: :fuckoff:
Doesn't this sound like Dianne? I recognize the attitude from her blog when talking about Katie. This woman is truly a vile creature,
Indeed, both Diane and Michael Carter (son of Carroll Joseph Carter, employee of Reynolds and Reynolds) of Dayton Ohio seem to be posting here as guests, insulting their own daughter.
From Micheal Carter’s Blog alternatively titled, “Inside the mind of a cult manipulated, child abusing feind,”
“Years ago, if you spilt coffee in you lap, it was your fault. Now you are a victim and suing the restaurant who gave you the hot coffee. If you lift up a running lawn mower and try to trim a hedge with it and cut off your hand - you are a victim of the company who made it because they didn't tell you not to do it, an build in safe guards to prevent it.”
And from fornits thread:
“There was a time that if you spilled hot coffee in your lap you would say “Wow, that was clumsy of me”… now it is”That wasn’t my fault, I need to sue someone”. When I ever saw that person posting on fornits all ready equipped with lawyers names and phone numbers for kids to sue someone else for their own fuck-ups I almost died.”
Wonder which of the the many kind comments are about Katie are also theirs?
Diane and Micheal Carter are very disturbed people. Very disturbed. This sort of thing...it shocks me. It shocks any person. And it's saddening that law enforcement is deferent to political power players like Robert Lichfield that their psychotic rage is allowed to be expressed through criminal cruelty and torture with little or no consequnce.
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“There was a time that if you spilled hot coffee in your lap you would say “Wow, that was clumsy of me”… now it is”That wasn’t my fault, I need to sue someone”. When I ever saw that person posting on fornits all ready equipped with lawyers names and phone numbers for kids to sue someone else for their own fuck-ups I almost died.”
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Good find, guest, thanks for hilighting it. This is just all too true today. The kids find they are entitled to afree ride in life and if things dont go well then it must be someone elses fault. The shit is going to hit the fan when they have to start earning a living and supporting themselves.
Then they will say... "My life was a piece of cake when I was a kid,,,, wish I was young again"
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“There was a time that if you spilled hot coffee in your lap you would say “Wow, that was clumsy of me”… now it is”That wasn’t my fault, I need to sue someone”. When I ever saw that person posting on fornits all ready equipped with lawyers names and phone numbers for kids to sue someone else for their own fuck-ups I almost died.”
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Good find, guest, thanks for hilighting it. This is just all too true today. The kids find they are entitled to afree ride in life and if things dont go well then it must be someone elses fault. The shit is going to hit the fan when they have to start earning a living and supporting themselves.
Then they will say... "My life was a piece of cake when I was a kid,,,, wish I was young again"
hey, who.
It will certainly hard for survivors of Cross Creek to make a living as they are deprived of education and opportunity to develop psychologically through constant restraint and terrorization. Free ride? How about WWASP stops running them over.
http://www.turleylaw.com/ (http://www.turleylaw.com/) That's one sick place Micheal and Diane Carter paid to torture their child. And they're some real sick people
http://www.turleylaw.com/ (http://www.turleylaw.com/)
Placement in isolation for long periods of time, and at times, including being
locked in small boxes and cages, and locked up in basements, and forced to
assume distorted and painful physical positions for long periods of time;
b. Unsanitary living conditions;
c. Denial of adequate food;
d. Denial of proper medical and dental care and treatment;
e. Denial of an even minimally sufficient education;
f. Exposure to extreme (hot and cold) temperatures for long periods of time;
g. Forced physical exercise beyond their physical capacity;
h. Kicked, beaten, thrown and slammed to the ground;
i. Bound and tied by hands and/or feet;
j. Chained and locked in dog cages;
k. Forced to lie in, or wear, urine and feces as one method of punishment;
l. Forced to clean and scrub toilets and floors with their toothbrush and then use the
toothbrush afterwards;
Forced to sleep on cold concrete floors, boxspring, or plywood used as a bed with
no bedding or linens or with just a tattered and torn sleeping bag;
n. Forced to carry heavy bags of sand around their neck or logs throughout the day
over many days;
o. Forced to eat their own vomit;
p. Sexual abuse, which included forced sexual relations and acts of fondling and
masturbation performed on them;
q. Emotional abuse by subjecting student Plaintiffs to near-total parental and societal
isolation. Personal visits, correspondence, and telephone calls were either
forbidden or discouraged;
r. Because of the near-total isolation from the outside world and lack of education,
many student Plaintiffs were totally unequipped to enter outside society;
s. Forced to work many hours a day, at an age below the applicable minimum age
requirements of the child labor laws of the jurisdictions in which the schools are
located, and without compensation for shoveling manure, house construction,
hauling, landscaping, kitchen work, farm work, and moving bricks;
t. Threatened severe punishment, including death, if they told anyone of their
abuses and poor living conditions;
u. Confiscated and/or kept students’ U.S. mail;
v. Deprived from using the toilet, and as a result, urinated or defecated on
themselves;
w. Verbally abused by lying that their parents knew what was happening to them and
were supportive of it all;
x. Subjected to buddy system where older students were allowed to physically,
mentally, and sexually abuse younger students and manage them as part of a
“cleansing” process;
y. Deprived of sleep;
z. Forced to wear the same, unwashed clothes for weeks at a time;
aa. Denied any religious affiliation, except for the Mormon faith;
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bb. Forced to eat raw or rotten food;
cc. Poked and prodded with various objects while being strip searched;
dd. Forced to write false confession letters to parents to justify being sent to the
WWASPS school;
Student Plaintiffs repeatedly witnessed other children being kicked, hit, slammed, beaten,
thrown to the ground, and humiliated by teachers, supervisors, and/or staff.
5. Defendants violated student Plaintiffs’ human rights when Defendants used isolation as a
form of punishment.
6. Defendants often conspired with a parent or guardian to kidnap or take away by force the
child from another parent with equal or superior custody.
7. Defendants conspired with parents to implemented an “Exit Plan,” which had the effect
of compelling the student to remain at the schools past the student’s 18th birthday, despite torture and
inhumane conditions.
8. At all time relevant, Defendants did not disclose to the parents the physical, emotional,
mental, and/or sexual abuse to which their children were subjected at their facilities, and conspired, even
to this day, to prevent them from discovering such abuse.
9. In addition to the foregoing facts, Plaintiffs incorporate by reference into this Complaint
each of Plaintiffs’ statement of facts, which statement of facts sets forth the specific circumstance and
occurrences relating to transactions and treatment of Plaintiffs by the Defendants. By agreement,
Plaintiffs’ statement of facts are being provided to defense counsel.
WWASPS, through their schools, owed the minor student Plaintiffs, who were entrusted
to its care, the highest duty of trust and confidence and was required to act in their best interest. The
schools’ actions and inactions, described herein, violated that relationship when they failed to act with
the highest degree of trust and confidence to protect the student Plaintiffs from physical, emotional,
mental, and sexual abuse.
2. As minors, unable to care for or make decisions for themselves, and entrusted in the care
of the schools operated by Defendants, student Plaintiffs were owed a fiduciary duty by each of the
individual entities and by all of the Defendants. By failing to take steps to prevent, detect, and minimize
the harm from the incidents of abuse suffered by student Plaintiffs, the Defendants breached their
fiduciary duty to student Plaintiffs.
1. WWASPS has acted in concert with the other Defendants in a pattern and practice to
fraudulently conceal the extent and nature of the physical, emotional, mental, and sexual abuse
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occurring at its boarding schools, as well as the harmful effects of that abuse, continuing through the
present day. Defendants have also acted in concert to fraudulently conceal the fact that Defendants
engaged in a pattern and practice of stealing the value of student Plaintiffs’ labor, forcing them to work
several hours per day, for the duration of their attendance at the boarding schools without any
compensation whatsoever, as well as the value to student Plaintiffs of even a minimally sufficient
education.
2. All Defendants herein entered into a civil conspiracy to act in concert, accompanied by a
meeting of the minds regarding concerted action, the purposes of which were to suppress and minimize
public knowledge of the rampant physical, emotional, mental, and sexual abuse of minor children in the
boarding schools by teachers, supervisors, and staff, and to take a uniform position and approach to the
handling of reports of abuse.
3. This ongoing conspiracy and concert of 1. WWASPS has acted in concert with the other Defendants in a pattern and practice to
fraudulently conceal the extent and nature of the physical, emotional, mental, and sexual abuse
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occurring at its boarding schools, as well as the harmful effects of that abuse, continuing through the
present day. Defendants have also acted in concert to fraudulently conceal the fact that Defendants
engaged in a pattern and practice of stealing the value of student Plaintiffs’ labor, forcing them to work
several hours per day, for the duration of their attendance at the boarding schools without any
compensation whatsoever, as well as the value to student Plaintiffs of even a minimally sufficient
education.
2. All Defendants herein entered into a civil conspiracy to act in concert, accompanied by a
meeting of the minds regarding concerted action, the purposes of which were to suppress and minimize
public knowledge of the rampant physical, emotional, mental, and sexual abuse of minor children in the
boarding schools by teachers, supervisors, and staff, and to take a uniform position and approach to the
handling of reports of abuse.
3. This ongoing conspiracy and concert of 1. WWASPS has acted in concert with the other Defendants in a pattern and practice to
fraudulently conceal the extent and nature of the physical, emotional, mental, and sexual abuse
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occurring at its boarding schools, as well as the harmful effects of that abuse, continuing through the
present day. Defendants have also acted in concert to fraudulently conceal the fact that Defendants
engaged in a pattern and practice of stealing the value of student Plaintiffs’ labor, forcing them to work
several hours per day, for the duration of their attendance at the boarding schools without any
compensation whatsoever, as well as the value to student Plaintiffs of even a minimally sufficient
education.
2. All Defendants herein entered into a civil conspiracy to act in concert, accompanied by a
meeting of the minds regarding concerted action, the purposes of which were to suppress and minimize
public knowledge of the rampant physical, emotional, mental, and sexual abuse of minor children in the
boarding schools by teachers, supervisors, and staff, and to take a uniform position and approach to the
handling of reports of abuse.
3. This ongoing conspiracy and concert of1. WWASPS has acted in concert with the other Defendants in a pattern and practice to
fraudulently conceal the extent and nature of the physical, emotional, mental, and sexual abuse
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Why not ask Katie if these things happened to her!! You will be in for a rude awakening. Speak to some graduates randomly and see what you find out. You can make all the lists you like, but a personal visit to Cross Creek and a random talk with some of the kids there will prove your list to be bogus.
I always suggest parents to talk to parents who have had kids in the program, those who graduated and then talk to the kids themselves as you visit the campus. The proof is in the pudding. First hand information is always the best I think everyone would agree. But thanks for your effort.
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Yes because we all know that a kid who speaks poorly about the program just won't be faced with consequences in anyway. Amirite?? not...
FYI.. It isn't relevant that some kids find the program helpful. It doesn't matter if some kids claim the program saved their life. What matters is that some kids have made some very credible claims of abuse and are seeking legal redress. Attacking those claims and those kids is symptomatic of a very unhealthy mind that exists in the continuum of the cult like atmosphere of the program.
These claims and charges need to be taken seriously and investigated rather than having the programmie kool aid swillers attacking everyone in sight over them. The safety of children are at stake and the best CCM can manage it to trot out the tired old BBS retreads with their washed up old claptrap? Seriously, hire a real pr firm, close CCM, and open a mini-mart.
Personally, I'm content to leave those who think they had it good at CCM and other programs with their fond memories. Though on more than one occasion these supporters have dropped their pretense of support and spilled the beans.
And yes I've spoken to Katie about her experiences at CCM. After that conversation I was grateful that I did not have access to a flame thrower and a plane ticket to Utah.