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Treatment Abuse, Behavior Modification, Thought Reform => The Troubled Teen Industry => Topic started by: Anonymous on August 11, 2003, 01:35:00 PM
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Lee and Nancy Colburn: Turbinekat:
I see you are two of Sue's flunkies! All your posts on this site are now clear to me. This is probably not NEW news to the regulars on here, but I find it fascinating.
http://www.helpyourteens.com/about_us.html (http://www.helpyourteens.com/about_us.html)
Talk about a wolf in sheeps clothing!
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I see LYNN on there too.
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Oh, I've been discovered!!! LMAO
I have never hid behind anything or anyone in my entire life time, nor will I.
That web page posted my accounts of wwasps & has been public knowledge for what now, 8 months. You are just a little late in your research efforts?
Your point is?
Has any member of my family ever been approached by PURE to solicit enrollment? I can help you with the answer...No.
Has anyone from PURE ever asked me to assist with the child care business? I can assist you again...No.
Have I ever led anyone to PURE? I again can render my answer...No.
The volunteer portion of your concern puzzles me...why the interest? I receive calls weekly pertaining to our experience with specialty schools. I have yet to refer a call to PURE & comment about any of their programs. I do not have any experience with any of their programs. Now if you want to discuss MY business... I'd be glad to give you MY expertise... in a heartbeat!!!What do YOU personally do for this cause other than stir the pot?
Instead of worrying about what I do or don't do, I suggest YOU play in YOUR backyard. Find something worth your time & others & pursue it.
Don't be restricted to a bag all of your life. I can't imagine trying to breathe under such an object. Then again, I can probably conclude; the air volume is low under such a device & maybe causing your thinking to become cloudy?
Get a life lady!
Kindest Regards,
Lee
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What exactly is a PURE volunteer? I see one of them posts ad nauseam on the Woodbury Reports Struggling Teens forums under the user name Mrs. D.VA. The other volunteers appear to be mostly parents who are available 24/7 to "help families heal" but it is unclear what their qualifications and/or experience is.
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Lee. With the court document and what it contains regarding the integrity of PURE's owner and co-workers/volunteers, are you saying it's okay to be associated with dishonest, backstabbers? I actually have a problem believing what you wrote in this thread.
1 - If you speak to many parents about your boarding school experience every week how have you solicited this if not from the PURE site?
2 - If you're a volunteer for PURE, what is your purpose if not to support their efforts?
I think it has everything to do with the truth in what you post. It sounds like you are trying to cram your perceptions down other's throats. That's your choice. You've lost me.
:wave: Betsy
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Hi Carey, opps, Betsy. Get over it already. Who cares about Pure? Well we all know the answer to that.
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betsy; carey, bag lady; what ever your name is!
As Jackie said; "Do you understand the words that are coming out of my mouth?" I DO NOT have any court documents that I operate by. Nor do I fall under any PURE vs WWASPS documents.
I have not been backstabbed by anyone at PURE. No one has been dihonest towards me or my family. Maybe, YOU had a bad experience with something or someone at PURE? Sorry, maybe you should take that up with that person? That would be my suggestion. That's how adults handle personal situation which arrise.
Answer to your first question is; I recieve phone calls from my postings here, PURE's website, & other forums which I frequent? So, I have a letter posted on PURE, were may I find your conections to this purpose? I very interested in what YOU have done for any of this &...I don't see any thing YOU have posted that has truths in it?
The answer to your second need to know item is...MY purpose is to express MY concerns with an organization I find operating illegally, guilty of fraud...in MY opinion & deceptive trade practices. I hope this helps with YOUR curiosity!
I really don't care if I've lost YOU. I don't recall even asking YOU any questions prior to this communication. YOU maybe assumming that I was trying to reach YOU, but I wasn't. I have never nor will I cram anything down any ones throat. People are free to make their own decisions based on their mentality. I don't respond unless someone contacts or emails me directly.
Sorry YOU feel the way YOU do & may GOD Bless YOU!
Kindest Regards,
Lee
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Even though I had read the **** website from time to time, I have never gone to their "volunteer" page. What a surprise to find at least 6 people with whom I have regular correspondence and for whom I have great personal regard being referred to as "Sue's lackeys", even though they are listed as parents willing to give support in trying times. Now, in the nearly-one-year that I have "known" these folks, NEVER NEVER NEVER has one even mentioned sending your kid off to specific other recommended place...which is what **** is being blasted for. My experience: EXACTLY WHAT IS SAID UP FRONT...PARENTS' SUPPORT IN TRYING TIMES!!!!!!
I do have issue with their "adoption expert" because she wrote me personally [no, guys, **I** don't reprint personal documents because I have higher morals than that] about her experiences with an adopted daughter. For a single older woman who adopted a troubled 10yo from Russia and then sent her away to a WWASP school not quite 3 years later, I'm pretty sure this old gal has less of a clue about children than your average bowling alley attendant. FWIW, any parent giving much weight to this sort of advice (here, let me get this sawdust off and I'll show you my new shingle) is a prime candidate for WWASPS anyway. Buyer Beware.
Well, Anon ****-hater, seems you don't know your ass from a hot rock, especially naming **** lackeys...people I know, talk to regularly, and even one who I grew up with in a ranching town down the road. No, not evil folks. You, however, are a different matter. When you can do ANYTHING in this whole world that is constructive, come back and chat. Until then, demolition is your only "talent" and it sucks.
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Right now it looks very much like PURE is in the spotlight (instead of their rival WWASPS). While you (spots) may choose to attack the credibility of non-PURE supporters, your opinion does not add up to a pile of beans. Nor does anyone else's who is either directly or indirectly associated with this organization. I think the word is BIASED.
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Spots - that doesn't give much credibility to you either.
"demolition is your only "talent" and it sucks." WHAT DO YOU THINK YOU ARE CREATING HERE??
After reading the WWASP v Pure court document, I decided to look a little deeper into this. I always like to give "humans" the benefit of the doubt. Yes, as humans, we make mistakes. It's admitting them and learning from them that counts in my view. What I see is that PURE and all the people both known and fictitious, have not learned that slamming one program to promote another lacks integrity and in my view, is downright dangerous - all in the name of making a point! They haven't made any changes to their tactics, in fact, they are collectively saturating this board, and others, with their Damning of WWASP. We all know that Sue Scheff was at one time a "happy camper" until WWASP pulled the rug out from under her money making scheme.
Your defense of them tells me all I want to know about you.
Betsy
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On 2003-08-11 11:47:00, Anonymous wrote:
"What exactly is a PURE volunteer? I see one of them posts ad nauseam on the Woodbury Reports Struggling Teens forums under the user name Mrs. D.VA. The other volunteers appear to be mostly parents who are available 24/7 to "help families heal" but it is unclear what their qualifications and/or experience is. "
This doesn't seem like a big deal since anybody can post on Struggling Teens. There is a special forum on ST for parents to solicit (by private email only) information relevant to a specific school, camp or program presumably from other parents, therapists, educational consultants, program admissions reps, and private referral services.
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On 2003-08-11 11:47:00, Anonymous
This doesn't seem like a big deal since anybody can post on Struggling Teens. There is a special forum on ST for parents to solicit (by private email only) information relevant to a specific school, camp or program presumably from other parents, therapists, educational consultants, program admissions reps, and private referral services."
What a perfect set-up! GOT MONEY?
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Does this mean that anyone can go on this site and privately e-mail the posters? Mr WOodbury really needs to put out a "fake" post posing as a parent and see who is soliciting for their own profit!
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You're assuming Mr. Woodbury cares. I'm not sure he would. He himself is an Ed Con and I would assume that he knows who's who on his message board. Some of the regulars have been there for years.
Yes, anyone can respond privately to parents. I have done this many times regarding a specfic program I have experience with.
It is also true that anyone can post. But, one's post must meet certain criteria-and if it doesn't, it will be removed. If you are determined to be too 'adversarial', then you're out of there.
Caught between a rock and a hard spot, Woodbury had no other choice than to set it up this way.
If he allowed 'negative' messages, he'd risk angering the programs that advertise on his website. I can also imagine that negative accounts weren't good for his personal consulting business. He also risked being accused of censorship unless he provided some means for allowing anyone (pro or con) to speak to parents who were requesting information, good or bad.
Hey, here's a challenge. Someone who cares, post a message there voicing your complaint- that there are parents who are 'advising' other parents for their own personal gain.
Or email Mrs. D.Va for advice and see where she directs you. Ask her if she is paid a referal fee while you're at it. Enquiring minds do want to know.
And spots, you said:
Now, in the nearly-one-year that I have "known" these folks, NEVER NEVER NEVER has one even mentioned sending your kid off to specific other recommended place...which is what **** is being blasted for.
You have a rather unusual situation, don't you? I can't imagine they would try to sell a program to a grandparent who is gathering information about a facility she is opposed to her granddaughter being in. I can only imagine that if you had been inquiring about an alternative to WWASP, they would have given you the pitch. That's what makes sense to me.
Deborah
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Excerpt from Deborah's Post:
Hey, here's a challenge. Someone who cares, post a message there voicing your complaint- that there are parents who are 'advising' other parents for their own personal gain.
Or email Mrs. D.Va for advice and see where she directs you. Ask her if she is paid a referal fee while you're at it. Enquiring minds do want to know.
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Check out the FAQ section on the PURE website. Sure would be interesting to know which PROGRAMS are paying finder's fees.
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Re: the issue of parents who are soliciting for their own profit!
I have to wonder if parents who are looking for a program are really concerned about this.
If they are determined to warehouse their teen, they may actually appreciate the opportunity to recruit for cash or credit themselves, to recoup some of their expenses.
Seems like there could be some liability issues if the referring parent neglects to disclose the BM techniques employed by the program and a teen is injured, physically or psychologically.
Deborah
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Deborah:
Mr. Woodbury has a site - http://www.strugglingteens.com (http://www.strugglingteens.com) which has a forum on it, right? From what I'm reading any one, including me, you, PURE, other educational consultants, etc., can privately e-mail posters who have asked for alternatives, right?
So this would be something I would imagine Mr. Woodbury would be interested to know. If there are those out there in cyberland emailing to people posting on his board and steering them away from what he does, it wouldn't be a very good thing for him.
It's not important to me, but just thought I'd share what I see.
Betsy
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If people are privately e-mailing posters, how can they keep track?
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[ This Message was edited by: KarenZ on 2003-10-17 16:42 ]
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Karen,
That sounds right to me too. I remember them asking parents to report any emails that slammed programs. What they do with that information is left to one's imagination.
Deborah
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Lee and Nancy Colburn: Turbinekat:
I see you are two of Sue's flunkies! All your posts on this site are now clear to me. This is probably not NEW news to the regulars on here, but I find it fascinating.
Whoa!!! I may be allot of things but someone's flunky? ::bwahaha:: LMAO! You know I heard that I was being bashed on here which really amazes me since today is the first time I have ever posted.....and I like my husband, always sign my name to anything that I post. I have no fear of speaking out and letting you know exactly who I am unlike you anon. I would love to speak with you in person ::armed:: And I would question what you find fascinating? Just curious since you are calling names and afraid to expose your identity. I would say that makes you a coward and you have no integrity.
Nancy Colburn
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Nancy - what are you so upset about? Questions?? Get yourself off PURE's parent reference site if you can't stand the heat.
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Check out the FAQ section on the PURE website. Sure would be interesting to know which PROGRAMS are paying finder's fees.
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I would like a reference list of the PROGRAMS who pays a finder's fee for referrals.
GOT NAMES?
:rofl:
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On 2003-08-12 17:34:00, Anonymous wrote:
"Excerpt from Deborah's Post:
Hey, here's a challenge. Someone who cares, post a message there voicing your complaint- that there are parents who are 'advising' other parents for their own personal gain.
Or email Mrs. D.Va for advice and see where she directs you. Ask her if she is paid a referal fee while you're at it. Enquiring minds do want to know.
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Check out the FAQ section on the PURE website. Sure would be interesting to know which PROGRAMS are paying finder's fees.
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I would like a reference list of the PROGRAMS who pays a finder's fee for referrals.
GOT NAMES?
:rofl:
SOrry, I'm new at this!
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On 2003-08-12 18:33:00, KarenZ wrote:
"I suggest finding Jena's post, because as I mentioned, its been awhile and I forget - but I think she said they were aware people had been bothering people and slaming programs via email, and I think she asked for anyone who had gotten such an email to let them know - Now again - I may be off on how I remember this - don't hold me to it.
But I'm sure the link is still up if you want to go wading around looking for it."
Is this the link you are looking for?
http://www.strugglingteens.com/cgi-bin/ ... 2;t=000495 (http://www.strugglingteens.com/cgi-bin/ultimatebb.cgi?ubb=get_topic;f=12;t=000495)
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Re:
http://www.strugglingteens.com/cgi-bin/ ... 2;t=000495 (http://www.strugglingteens.com/cgi-bin/ultimatebb.cgi?ubb=get_topic;f=12;t=000495)
What's up with the whistle icon that can be found on the bottom (right hand corner) of these posts? It says REPORT POST. Somebody should ask the moderator of that forum for a list of REPORTED OFFENDERS. :rofl:
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The whistle blowing icon went up just after I was bounced for about the 6th time for an "objectionable" post. Jena is always polite, very formal (probably a canned letter) in rejecting and removing a piece. Any post *will* appear immediately, but it takes hours for Jena to find it, so she added the whistle-blower for "help".
BTW, the icon post was a response to a "family in crisis"...They have an adopted Korean boy (duh, didn't turn out quite like the ads?) who was giving them grief. They shipped him off to wilderness, and further promised that he would be gone at least 27 more months until he "came around". Golly gee, and he objected! They couldn't understand why he was mad, and typically they came whining to the forum for support. My post was asking them to rethink the 2+ years at BM schools, and try to give wilderness a chance and then see what happens. I suggested they not "give up on the kid" at the git-go. Ooohhhh...objectionable, adversarial post.
Surprise, surprise!!!! The kid has been a nightmare, moved several times in placements. Back to wilderness, off to some other facility when he faked an accident in the woods, back to original BM when he seemed under control... Now what would be his rationale for behaving when he knows it will never shorten his sentence? The adoptive parents are now whining to the forum about the upcoming first visit - 4½ months in (they have had to hang up on him through most of their phone calls...he's mad and verbally abusive). Predictably, the response from the long-time posters (mose, millicent, Mrs. D-VA) has been..."you're doing the best you can. Hang in there and enjoy your time away from the madness", etc.
I used to think strugglingteens was a "better" forum because people could spell and not swear as much as some of the kids' forums. Nope. Same bunch of deluded, abyssmal parents, only with a little more money than brains. I take that back. A major thread that keeps reappearing is how the federal law for educating children forces school districts to foot the major bills for an emotionally-disturbed child (ODD, oppositional defiant disorder...sort of like "the growing-up syndrome"). With huge satisfaction, these parents boast about the squirming school districts shelling out $30K to $60K a year for their own out-of-control angels. How do you suppose they justify the districts schoolrooms without enough textbooks for all the other students? AND THESE PARENTS HAVE NO SHAME ABOUT IT; THEY GLOAT AND GIVE LEGAL ADVICE!
Melissa, this is what WWASPS parents are flooding the Internet with. Pay the money; vacation; get a fixed kid back. And isn't that exactly what WWASPS tells the kids in their jails? "Your parents hate you and are on vacation without you." That is what the testimonials are all about, trying to justify what they have done. [disclaimer: lots of parents don't know what WWASPS is doing in-house...thus, the fraud suits.] And the PURE bashing has proven to be an very effective diversion, dividing the swelling wave of public disgust.
We all have found it impossible to sway cultists with their feet dug in. The next viable alternative is to force the societal rules that govern child abuse in the home to be applied to the unlicensed BM facilities. If it's illegal in suburbia, it should be illegal in remote secretive gulags. That is our best hope.
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Who are the programs that pay finder's fee exclusively to PURE and what's the going rate for "troubled teens" these days?
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This is a bit confusing. Spots wrote her account of another family on another board and was "hushed" for respectfully stating her view?
They sound harsh!
Betsy
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On 2003-08-14 16:08:00, Anonymous wrote:
"Who are the programs that pay finder's fee exclusively to PURE and what's the going rate for "troubled teens" these days?
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Great question, and the answer is .....???
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Yeah, SHOW ME THE MONEY!!!!