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Treatment Abuse, Behavior Modification, Thought Reform => Straight, Inc. and Derivatives => Topic started by: Anonymous on March 21, 2009, 06:04:52 PM
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so why isnt vause arrested. I understand that aarc cant necessarily be shut down immediately. But why not arrest Vause because of the testimony of many, backed up my much evidence about how he held them prisoner and tortured them?
I was molested by a cab driver. I went to the police and within hours the guy was arrested. So what is the same thing not happening to Vause?
Is someone protecting him? Who?
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so why isnt vause arrested. I understand that aarc cant necessarily be shut down immediately. But why not arrest Vause because of the testimony of many, backed up my much evidence about how he held them prisoner and tortured them?
I was molested by a cab driver. I went to the police and within hours the guy was arrested. So what is the same thing not happening to Vause?
Is someone protecting him? Who?
Exactly, if the guy did anything close to that he would be in jail all ready. This isnt tolerated in the states or Canada and all it takes is a call to the police and he would be in jail. but apparently he hasnt done anything.
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Dean has many connections, this is a fact. He has kept himself in a position of "plausible deniability" so his followers can still try to pretend he has done nothing wrong. He may not be arrested but that does not mean he is innocent. He is guilty!
Moral and ethical guilt do not carry a prison sentence, that doesn't mean they don't exist.
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Dean has many connections, this is a fact. He has kept himself in a position of "plausible deniability" so his followers can still try to pretend he has done nothing wrong. He may not be arrested but that does not mean he is innocent. He is guilty!
Moral and ethical guilt do not carry a prison sentence, that doesn't mean they don't exist.
yes i know. I know he is guilty. but what is the reason officially and unofficially that he hasnt been charged?
At least 12? have come foward now? And there is corroberating evidence. So what is the explanation? Please explain it to me. i mean isnt it ilegal in canada to hold someone in false imprisonment? Isnt ilegal to subject them to psychological torture and sexual abuse--even if you discount the rapes--what about having to bathe or go to the bathroom with another prisoner "watching" what about the all day peer dnounciation sessions?
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I think you well know the reasons he hasn't been arrested. I smell someone fishing...
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I think you well know the reasons he hasn't been arrested. I smell someone fishing...
Uh...no? What the hell would I be fishing for? are you saying Im with the AARC? f
First of all , the aarc can read what you write here, so whether or not i'm with them is irrelevant to your apparent concern about sensitve info being revealed.
No i dont know why he hasnt been arrested. What are the unofficial (corruption, perhaps?--who is corrupt?) and the official reasons? I would like to know.
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...here fishy fishy fishy...
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...here fishy fishy fishy...
go this route if you like, but youre telling a survivor of these programs they are a "fish" or whatever, for no reason.
At the very least this relaxes my paranoia..i always assumed everyone could tell it was "me" by my writing style. BTW, I am the guest who often starts the "why arent these people in prison/did you go to the police" threads. I really DO NOT UNDERSTAND how these murderers get away wtih it. I know I never went to the polce because I was too traumatized and sick...but I know not EVERYONE was that damaged, so I am trying to understand the grotesque injustice of all of this.
I dont see any potential harm in waxing why this guy hasnt been arrested. You d think putting corrupt officials 'who are protecting him names out would only be helpful because it would increase pressure, and the "official" reason he hasnt been arrested is alrady known to the AARC, I'm sure. But if not, OK.
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IT's like catching a mob boss. You have to prove that the mob boss knew about and ordered the actions of his subordinates. It's difficult to prove that in Vause's case without getting somebody very high up to turn on him (even then... it's his/her word against *all* of the other top people *and* Vause... unless there is admissible proof)... and since we're *just* getting Straight Execs coming out of the woodwork, I would say that it would be *very* difficult to catch Vause red handed...
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IT's like catching a mob boss. You have to prove that the mob boss knew about and ordered the actions of his subordinates. It's difficult to prove that in Vause's case without getting somebody very high up to turn on him (even then... it's his/her word against *all* of the other top people *and* Vause... unless there is admissible proof)... and since we're *just* getting Straight Execs coming out of the woodwork, I would say that it would be *very* difficult to catch Vause red handed...
ARE you people for real!!!!!!!!!!!! roflmao
arrested . .for????? being an exceptional person who runs an incredible treatment centre and due to the nature of the business would have individuals like CL and RO brought there for treatment . . . . . and mob boss . . . . 'psy' is that for psychotic? your name is NOT nom de plume, is it!!
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IT's like catching a mob boss. You have to prove that the mob boss knew about and ordered the actions of his subordinates. It's difficult to prove that in Vause's case without getting somebody very high up to turn on him (even then... it's his/her word against *all* of the other top people *and* Vause... unless there is admissible proof)... and since we're *just* getting Straight Execs coming out of the woodwork, I would say that it would be *very* difficult to catch Vause red handed...
ARE you people for real!!!!!!!!!!!! roflmao
arrested . .for????? being an exceptional person who runs an incredible treatment centre and due to the nature of the business would have individuals like CL and RO brought there for treatment . . . . . and mob boss . . . . 'psy' is that for psychotic? your name is NOT nom de plume, is it!!
UGH gimme a break!
How about arrested for being a complete piece of shit... and hopefully they'll flush the rest of his turds (ie: you) down with him.
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Exceptional person? Incredible treatment centre?
In-credible? As in lacking credibility? THAT I can see.
CL and RO likely never needed treatment until AFTER he and his brainwashed henchmen were through with them. It's interesting to note the level of maturity in your posts. Do we really have to resort to name-calling? Children, please...
Tell me this: Why would anyone come forward with fabricated stories about AARC knowing the kinds of people who are behind this facility? Does it make any sense at all for CL and RO to go on national television, fully exposed, and relive the horrors they experienced and be lying? No. It does not.
It does, however, make PERFECT sense for AARC to deny these allegations because they stand to lose a LOT of money, power, etc., if they are shut down. And really... did you expect AARC would just say 'oh, shit, you're right. I DID know about all this stuff but it just slipped my mind...'
Of course not. At the very least, the Child Welfare Act requires ANY allegations of abuse to be reported immediately so admitting they knew could bring criminal charges now. Of course, they wouldn't want to report it happened because that's just bad press and would show badly on their fundraising bottom-line.
Isn't it convenient that the 'nature of the disease' creates an automatic defense against any of these allegations? What a perfect cover that is.
Isn't it also interesting that the ENTIRE clinical team consists of ex-clients who were put through school with AARC funding? And not one of them are licensed psychologists.
The family therapists are also graduate parents. Even the reception staff are graduates or grad parents.
They are ALL graduates or graduate families. They are under a confidentiality contract which prohibits them from discussing anything that happens there with anyone not a 'current employee' of AARC.
I can back my shit up with facts. Can you? Do you have anything besides the verbal diarrhea/PR campaign on the AARC website to prove that these things DIDN'T happen?
Yeah, that's what I thought. Grow up guesty
Just because some families claim they were 'saved' and that AARC was a 'miracle' for them and so continue to support this 3-ring-circus does not in any way mean they are 'healthy' or 'healed'.
AARC supporters should have their heads checked by someone who is qualified... Or dig up your old insanity pattern and see if anything needs to be adjusted.
and yes, Vause should be in jail. Maybe he could bunk with a couple of his grads who are imprisoned for murder.
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Exceptional person? Incredible treatment centre?
In-credible? As in lacking credibility? THAT I can see.
CL and RO likely never needed treatment until AFTER he and his brainwashed henchmen were through with them. It's interesting to note the level of maturity in your posts. Do we really have to resort to name-calling? Children, please...
Tell me this: Why would anyone come forward with fabricated stories about AARC knowing the kinds of people who are behind this facility? Does it make any sense at all for CL and RO to go on national television, fully exposed, and relive the horrors they experienced and be lying? No. It does not.
It does, however, make PERFECT sense for AARC to deny these allegations because they stand to lose a LOT of money, power, etc., if they are shut down. And really... did you expect AARC would just say 'oh, shit, you're right. I DID know about all this stuff but it just slipped my mind...'
Of course not. At the very least, the Child Welfare Act requires ANY allegations of abuse to be reported immediately so admitting they knew could bring criminal charges now. Of course, they wouldn't want to report it happened because that's just bad press and would show badly on their fundraising bottom-line.
Isn't it convenient that the 'nature of the disease' creates an automatic defense against any of these allegations? What a perfect cover that is.
Isn't it also interesting that the ENTIRE clinical team consists of ex-clients who were put through school with AARC funding? And not one of them are licensed psychologists.
The family therapists are also graduate parents. Even the reception staff are graduates or grad parents.
They are ALL graduates or graduate families. They are under a confidentiality contract which prohibits them from discussing anything that happens there with anyone not a 'current employee' of AARC.
I can back my shit up with facts. Can you? Do you have anything besides the verbal diarrhea/PR campaign on the AARC website to prove that these things DIDN'T happen?
Yeah, that's what I thought. Grow up guesty
Just because some families claim they were 'saved' and that AARC was a 'miracle' for them and so continue to support this 3-ring-circus does not in any way mean they are 'healthy' or 'healed'.
AARC supporters should have their heads checked by someone who is qualified... Or dig up your old insanity pattern and see if anything needs to be adjusted.
and yes, Vause should be in jail. Maybe he could bunk with a couple of his grads who are imprisoned for murder.
Exactly, so tell me why he hasnt been arrested? Obviously you cant get him for rape, but how about false imprisonment, how about the sex abuse involved in forcing one prisoner to force another one into states of nudity, or bathe, or go to the bathroom while he/she watches? How about the medical fraud involved in presenting what he does as "treatment" or having a former teen f prisoner write the manual ? Or having teens write the treatment protocals? what about the intake being done by adolescenats? What about the psychological torture/mental torment? OR denial of medical treatment?
Why not arrest him for that? that is pretty indisputable. Which is why I ask someone who is invovled what is the "official" line given for why he isnt put away? Statute of limitations? What?
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Because they can't prove it. And anyone who could investigate and try to prove it won't or can't get close enough.
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Because they can't prove it. And anyone who could investigate and try to prove it won't or can't get close enough.
It saddens me that so many people are so doubtful that Dean Vause and the rest of AARC's staff will not have to face the same criminal charges the rest of the world does when breaking the law! You have no idea what kind of evidence may be out there and how intensive of an investigation can go on! The reason why AARC has had such little regulation all of these years is because the people coming forward were doing so sporadically and often to the wrong sources who were unsure of how to deal with the situation. Since there wasn't the public pressure to investigate like there has been since The Fifth Estate, those authorities pushed the issue aside waiting to hear more from youth before taking action. If you know of, suffered from, or witnessed any illegal activity or abuse within AARC, it's really in your hands to have the issue investigated.
The image that AARC as an ever powerful force that can not be destroyed with an entourage of an expensive legal team, public support, and government connections is false. Such support, even when purchased, is easily lost when the person your supporting starts to make your own career look bad. Remember who it was who fed us the illusion that they were powerful and untouchable.
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Because they can't prove it. And anyone who could investigate and try to prove it won't or can't get close enough.
It saddens me that so many people are so doubtful that Dean Vause and the rest of AARC's staff will not have to face the same criminal charges the rest of the world does when breaking the law! You have no idea what kind of evidence may be out there and how intensive of an investigation can go on! The reason why AARC has had such little regulation all of these years is because the people coming forward were doing so sporadically and often to the wrong sources who were unsure of how to deal with the situation. Since there wasn't the public pressure to investigate like there has been since The Fifth Estate, those authorities pushed the issue aside waiting to hear more from youth before taking action. If you know of, suffered from, or witnessed any illegal activity or abuse within AARC, it's really in your hands to have the issue investigated.
The image that AARC as an ever powerful force that can not be destroyed with an entourage of an expensive legal team, public support, and government connections is false. Such support, even when purchased, is easily lost when the person your supporting starts to make your own career look bad. Remember who it was who fed us the illusion that they were powerful and untouchable.
Thank you! I always expected these people are not completely invlunerable and, really, much of their escaping justice has some to do with their victims being too traumatized to come foward, with lawyers and journalists. Yes, especialy in Canada which is "saner" than the U.S. Its not impossible once you have media exposees.
Perhaps you should post here who are the right people to go to.
If you dont want to post that, i guess people can just contact you privately.
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No, it's simpler than that. It's because the drug war is carried out by a cult and people like Dean Vause as well as the police and other authorities are all members of that cult's priesthood. I wonder how long it will be before Dean follows in his mentor's footsteps and takes to masquerading as a priest too.
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So at least there's an ongoing investigation?
Something people in general and I myself dont understand is why if someone reports a crime and organized torture at these organizations nothing is done. It really seems like the entire from top to bottem is entirely corrupt
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It's the power of perception. Same reason why it's so very hard for people abused as children by priests to get any justice. No one wants to believe that their good guys might be dirty. If they face that then a significant part of their security falls away.
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Oh, Joanne, you think you're so smart...
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You're a little too eager for information, methinks.
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Dead give-away for Joanne is the mention of torture. Since nobody is using waterboarding or electric shock to the genitals in AARC, Joanne decided that the Chinese Communist-style psychic surgery used in AARC was not torture and thus she has ridiculed the use of that particular term in the past.
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Nevermind the transparency behind her ridiculous ruse asking all these questions obviously trying to figure out who knows what. Here fishy fishy fishy...
I'll not have a battle of wits with someone who isn't armed. It's not fair.
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Chinese Communist-style psychic surgery
@ $50,000 per year
If you can't pay that Children's services has a standing offer to pay client fees, according to the Ministry.
:on phone:
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Dead give-away for Joanne is the mention of torture. Since nobody is using waterboarding or electric shock to the genitals in AARC, Joanne decided that the Chinese Communist-style psychic surgery used in AARC was not torture and thus she has ridiculed the use of that particular term in the past.
• • Ajax, guests, don't assert you know the "truth" about my identity when you obviously have no way of knowing my it, and are, in fact, quite wrong about it. And again, whether I am or not a survivor has no bearing on keeping sensitive material secret because the AARC will read this blog anyway. Duh
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• • I don’t know why keep insisting you know something you obviously cannot? Just to be right? You can ask antigen or psy to vouch for me as to who my ip reveals me to be, as far as that goes. If you think it’s unsafe to say certain things, don’t say them, if you are not responding just because you assume I am someone who I am not you are not doing justice any favors.
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Who's Joanne? And what does "if you are not responding just because you assume I am someone who I am not you are not doing justice any favors" mean?
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Who's Joanne? And what does "if you are not responding just because you assume I am someone who I am not you are not doing justice any favors" mean?
I’ll add a comma for clarity: "if you are not responding just because you assume I am someone who I am not, you are not doing justice any favors."
If that’s still too hazy: Don’t stay silent about corruption or bureaucratic
red tape JUST because of assumptions about anonymous posters, as that may assist the kidnappers and torturers.
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The lady doth protest too much.
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The lady doth protest too much.
lol. Like denial proves you're a drug addict, right? OK. The stupidity cloud is a little too thick in this room. moving along. Try not to work against yourself too much itf.
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Absolute moronic drivel. Show of hands, who gives a fuck what this retard's IP is? If you have evidence of specific malfeasance on the part of AARC staff, board members or political supporters, then notify Rachel Notley. It is public knowledge that she is looking at AARC. This was in fact the only mention in the Calgary papers of the controversy arising from the Fifth Estate program. Sack of shit Ken King, guest of AARC fundraisers, is not about to be embarassed by having a reporter actually interview someone with something negative to say about AARC. Likewise, the Sun's goat-fucker Society page reporters have gleefully jacked off AARC whenever they have a bega-thon. There is no secret about how AARC operates and who performs what task.
"Don't stay silent about red tape?"
What the fuck does that mean? Whether you're just stupid, an AARColyte, a nutcase, or some combination of the three, here's a piece of advice: If you are aware of specific crimes committed in AARC, file a police report. If everyone had done that from the beginning, the Wiz would have been performing his excorcisms in Saskatchewan long ago.
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Absolute moronic drivel. Show of hands, who gives a fuck what this retard's IP is? Whether you're just stupid, an AARColyte, a nutcase, or some combination of the three, here's a piece of advice: If you are aware of specific crimes committed in AARC, file a police report. If everyone had done that from the beginning, the Wiz would have been performing his excorcisms in Saskatchewan long ago.
Lol. YOU said I'm an AARColyte. Since my IP disproves that, why do you “not give a fuck” when that was your alleged motivation for your entire line of responses, up until now?
As for me being “stupid” a "retard" and a “nutcase,” I see you are something like the AARC followers, and unprovokedly, verbally attack people. Nice.
"Don't stay silent about red tape?"
What the fuck does that mean?.
As I explained, "red tape" are technicalities that supposedly keep officials from doing their jobs. For instance, the A.G. refused to investigate WWASPS supposedly because it's privately owned. In asking is there "red tape," I am trying to highlight any technicalities that “prevent” prosecution or investigation.
There is no secret about how AARC operates and who performs what task. .
It's not a secret? Does the AARC outline its hierarchy and policies clearly, for accountability purposes?
And, do you really think the names of the politicians/groups protecting the AARC, and how they do it, is common public knowledge? I’d say it is not.
Why are you outraged I ask to draw attention to, and specify that corruption? You do so in ALL your posts but suddenly declare an antipathy for doing that… seemingly only for an excuse to bitch at a internet stranger. Double eye-roll and a bag of chips, my friend.
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If the corruption protecting AARC has already been laid out, then why ask why Vause hasn't been arrested? Trust me, I am not nice. Take your double eye rolls, and your bag of chips, and shove them as far up your ass as your arm can reach. Exhale, and give it one last stretch.
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If the corruption protecting AARC has already been laid out, then why ask why Vause hasn't been arrested? .
:wall: This is like talking to thewho.
Trust me, I am not nice. Take your double eye rolls, and your bag of chips, and shove them as far up your ass as your arm can reach. Exhale, and give it one last stretch.[/quote]
Sure, maybe i am a rape surivor and you can make fun of that as well? What's the internet for if not to cowardly vent our anger at innocent people, for no reason ? Have fun.lol
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Big stretch!
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If you are aware of specific crimes committed in AARC, file a police report. If everyone had done that from the beginning, the Wiz would have been performing his excorcisms in Saskatchewan long ago.
My understanding is that the Calgary police have been just as tight with AARC as Florida police were with The Seed and Straight, Inc. They would probably not even take a report of abuse at AARC, far less take it seriously and investigate. I know that, after 15 years of my family having been associated with The Seed and Straight, Inc., I would never have thought to go to the police. I'd expect them to dismiss and maybe even harass me if I tried.
**HOWEVER** With all this public scrutiny due to recent media exposure they might be just a tad disinclined to take this little problem of theirs so lightly. So now is the time to go to the police and to follow up on their response. If they don't give your complaint due attention then complain to whatever authorities monitor police misconduct in Alberta.
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If you are aware of specific crimes committed in AARC, file a police report. If everyone had done that from the beginning, the Wiz would have been performing his excorcisms in Saskatchewan long ago.
My understanding is that the Calgary police have been just as tight with AARC as Florida police were with The Seed and Straight, Inc. They would probably not even take a report of abuse at AARC, far less take it seriously and investigate. I know that, after 15 years of my family having been associated with The Seed and Straight, Inc., I would never have thought to go to the police. I'd expect them to dismiss and maybe even harass me if I tried.
**HOWEVER** With all this public scrutiny due to recent media exposure they might be just a tad disinclined to take this little problem of theirs so lightly. So now is the time to go to the police and to follow up on their response. If they don't give your complaint due attention then complain to whatever authorities monitor police misconduct in Alberta.
The calgary Police Service have changed their tune with AARC - at least the Major Crimes unit has. AARC obsrtucted their investigation regarding Woods and Bates. They are not happy with this at all. Way to go AARC.
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Not the only investigation obstructed. I heard there was a recent side tracking of weapons charges (guns) for someone in the program. I heard the police were turned away at the door when they arrived with warrants for one of the clients.
Maybe it should be AARC, Avoiding Accountability Regarding Charges?
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Has anyone else noticed that the vast majority of fervent AARC supporters are parents, siblings, cousins, etc...? I'm so tired of these people saying how "hurt they were by the LIES and BAD journalism" on the fifth estate. To me, this just proves that AARC is a brainwashing cult.
Open your eyes... you hear a few people say that they were abused in AARC and all you can think about is yourself and how that makes YOU feel hurt? What kind of people bash victims for coming out about being abused? And it's like adding insult to injury when they end off by saying "AARC turned us into better, more compassionate people, so shut up you liars and whiners!" But of course, you're sure that those clients are lying, based solely on the fact that your cult leader labeled them liars.
And when an AARC supporter IS a former client (someone who would have actually seen or experienced the abuse) they usually say things like "yeah, AARC is a pretty f-ed up place, but it saved my life." :eek:
As for the non-former clients, I don't care if you adore AARC unconditionally for the rest of your lives. Even after it gets shut down I'm sure you'll protest about how unjust it was to close a place that "does NOTHING but saves lives." How a mother could say that after watching the fifth estate is beyond me.
But to all of the former clients out there who know deep down that being in AARC was damaging for you, that you probably aren't an alcoholic, that they had no right to lock you up for 1-2 years, strip you of your identity, or perhaps abuse you on a deeper level... I hope that you're able to snap out of the brainwashing and understand that you didn't deserve to be abused because of your supposed "disease." We all deserve answers as to why a bunch of unqualified people were able to hold us against our will and perform mind control techniques on us. And that's something that you parents - who only remember sitting in a circle, holding hands and listening to Sarah Mclaughlin- will never understand.
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And when an AARC supporter IS a former client (someone who would have actually seen or experienced the abuse) they usually say things like "yeah, AARC is a pretty f-ed up place, but it saved my life."
Look at it like waterboarding. Almost everyone signed up for this when it was first proposed... now 10 years later all the democrats are distancing themselves from it. But at the time it provided information that saved many lives, maybe 10’s of thousands. So can this be justified? Don’t know...... If the kid that had to endure a tough time at AARC but in the end he realized that it turned his life around and saved him was it worth it? Maybe
If you tie a junky to his bed for a couple of days to get him past the physical addiction is it considered cruel? If he comes thru it and says “Thank you man you saved my life, I owe you big time, my friend” is that worth it to both of you? Should you go to jail for restraining someone? Kidnapping? Torture?
Think about it, I don’t think survivors who are pro AARC are all necessarily out to discredit the ones who claim they were abused. Look at the attitude of the survivors here on fornits ... many have a difficult time understanding those survivors who benefitted from a program so it is understandable that those who benefitted may have a hard time understanding how someone could say they were abused.
Its all in the individuals perspective.
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I disagree with your claim that pro AARCers aren't out to discredit the ones who claim they were abused. First of all, I've yet to see an AARC supporter suggest that the victims of abuse are entitled to justice and accountability. It would be impossible to acknowledge the negative impact that AARC has had on people and continue to support it. Every kid in AARC is degraded and emotionally abused. Some have been beaten and raped. While it's not AARC's policy to rape clients, they sure do a good job of covering it up. There's a law here in Canada called Duty to Report. If someone knows of or suspects that a child is being abused, that person has a legal obligation to report the known or suspected abuse to the authorities. AARC hasn't done that. Instead, they further abuse the client by making them believe it's their fault or calling them a liar. Show me one person who acknowledges that, yet continues to support the place.
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Let me guess, guest, you are the same person who came up with that ridiculous analogy about dentists. What was that argument again? 'If one dentist molested someone, should we shut down the whole industry?' Please think your analogies through before posting them. There is a big difference between a licensed professional forcing someone through detox, and some guy posing as a doctor, holding teens (many non-addicted) against their will for as long as two years. There's also a big difference between restraining someone for their own good, and restraining someone and calling them a useless unlovable druggie loser repeatedly until they have a nervous breakdown.
I'll give you an analogy on the other end of the extreme... Imagine a Jewish Holocaust survivor supporting the Nazis because their experience in a concentration camp helped him/her beat their addiction to food and lose that stubborn excess weight. So they told their fellow survivors, "Come on guys - let's take the positive out of this experience!" I'm pretty sure a lot of people would be sickened at the thought.. and that's pretty much how I feel whenever I hear AARC supporters say it.
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I disagree with your claim that pro AARCers aren't out to discredit the ones who claim they were abused. First of all, I've yet to see an AARC supporter suggest that the victims of abuse are entitled to justice and accountability. It would be impossible to acknowledge the negative impact that AARC has had on people and continue to support it. Every kid in AARC is degraded and emotionally abused. Some have been beaten and raped. While it's not AARC's policy to rape clients, they sure do a good job of covering it up. There's a law here in Canada called Duty to Report. If someone knows of or suspects that a child is being abused, that person has a legal obligation to report the known or suspected abuse to the authorities. AARC hasn't done that. Instead, they further abuse the client by making them believe it's their fault or calling them a liar. Show me one person who acknowledges that, yet continues to support the place.
To be fair, many posters here on fornits meet AARC (people who say that they were helped by AARC) with names like AARColytes and say they are brain washed and basically make fun of them. You don’t see many kids who had a positive experience with AARC coming onto fornits to just make fun of people here who had different experiences without first being provoked.
If someone who was truly helped by AARC reads posts here saying that all ARCOlytes are brainwashed and all programs are abusive and not one person has ever been helped by AARC (or any program ever) since the beginning. And then the same posters say they were abused and raped. What part of that would you believe? If they know you were lying about the fact that no one was ever helped how can they believe you that you were abused and raped. Why shouldn’t they take it as another lie?
If you guys could accept each others stories..... I think it would go a long way.
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I disagree with your claim that pro AARCers aren't out to discredit the ones who claim they were abused. First of all, I've yet to see an AARC supporter suggest that the victims of abuse are entitled to justice and accountability. It would be impossible to acknowledge the negative impact that AARC has had on people and continue to support it. Every kid in AARC is degraded and emotionally abused. Some have been beaten and raped. While it's not AARC's policy to rape clients, they sure do a good job of covering it up. There's a law here in Canada called Duty to Report. If someone knows of or suspects that a child is being abused, that person has a legal obligation to report the known or suspected abuse to the authorities. AARC hasn't done that. Instead, they further abuse the client by making them believe it's their fault or calling them a liar. Show me one person who acknowledges that, yet continues to support the place.
If someone was sitting next to you at Mcdonalds and says they wont eat the Big Macs anymore because they got food poisoning. You would think yeah I could understand that. But then they went on to say that “all” Big Macs cause food poisoning ……and you say to him that you eat them all the time and never have a problem and he responds to you that you must be brainwashed and calls you a Mcdonalds bitch child because everyone knows that everyone gets food poisoning and if you don’t then it is proof that you are brainwashed. Then he goes on to say that he was abused and raped by the staff…. How much of what he told you would you believe at this point?
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I know I can speak for most of us when we say that we understand that some people believe that AARC helped them. At one point in time, pretty much all of us praised AARC for "saving our lives," so when we hear other people claim that AARC saved their lives, we can't help but remember how delusional and brainwashed we were when we felt that way.
We also understand that some kids who go into AARC are addicted to drugs and leave AARC sober. It's understandable that someone would think that a life of sobriety would be better than a life hooked on meth. However, the "tools" that AARC gives clients - teaching them that they are forever dependent on AARC and A.A. members because they have a lifelong disease (even if they barely drank but were addicted to meth for a short time?), that they should not think because "look where your thinking got you," that tough love and abandoning people who leave A.A. is the only way to help them, that anyone who disputes AARCs methods or teachings is in denial.... AARC is a cult by any definition, so when we hear people proclaiming their love for the place, it's hard to take them seriously. And yes, there are a lack of options for drug addicted teens, but maybe the reason there's so little available is because everyone thought that AARC was working so well. I sincerely hope that when AARC gets shut down, more attention will be brought to the issue and a licensed and monitored facility, run by professionals with real qualifications will replace it.
If there are any AARC supporters out there who really see our side of the story, but just think that unqualified scam artists should be allowed to carry on abusing children because "it works" then I guess we'll just have to agree to disagree.
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I know I can speak for most of us when we say that we understand that some people believe that AARC helped them. At one point in time, pretty much all of us praised AARC for "saving our lives," so when we hear other people claim that AARC saved their lives, we can't help but remember how delusional and brainwashed we were when we felt that way.
We also understand that some kids who go into AARC are addicted to drugs and leave AARC sober. It's understandable that someone would think that a life of sobriety would be better than a life hooked on meth. However, the "tools" that AARC gives clients - teaching them that they are forever dependent on AARC and A.A. members because they have a lifelong disease (even if they barely drank but were addicted to meth for a short time?), that they should not think because "look where your thinking got you," that tough love and abandoning people who leave A.A. is the only way to help them, that anyone who disputes AARCs methods or teachings is in denial.... AARC is a cult by any definition, so when we hear people proclaiming their love for the place, it's hard to take them seriously. And yes, there are a lack of options for drug addicted teens, but maybe the reason there's so little available is because everyone thought that AARC was working so well. I sincerely hope that when AARC gets shut down, more attention will be brought to the issue and a licensed and monitored facility, run by professionals with real qualifications will replace it.
If there are any AARC supporters out there who really see our side of the story, but just think that unqualified scam artists should be allowed to carry on abusing children because "it works" then I guess we'll just have to agree to disagree.
Well, thats a pretty fair argument. I dont agree with bashing AARColytes and then expecting them to believe you were abused. But you make a strong case for why you feel the way you do.
I will try to learn more about AARC before taking sides.
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If you tie a junky to his bed for a couple of days to get him past the physical addiction is it considered cruel? If he comes thru it and says “Thank you man you saved my life, I owe you big time, my friend” is that worth it to both of you? Should you go to jail for restraining someone? Kidnapping? Torture?
No, not if they didn't know about far better, more effective and humane withdrawal techniques. Program supporters don't "know" about those things. So maybe that's why I'm a little reticent to advocate for punishing them. But the reason why they don't know it is because they steadfastly refuse to even entertain the notion that there's any more sacred science than the brutal, destructive methods to which they have vowed unquestioned allegiance.
They have faith. That is not admirable! Faith is a belief unsupported by evidence. It's witchcraft, superstition, mob mentality. It's alright if you take comfort in your lucky rabbit's foot. If your lucky rabbits foot starts telling you to torture adolescent rape victims by forcing them to relive the rape, ditch the bitch! Especially if the rape victim is your daughter, son, friend or loved one.
I want Program supporters to know that the Program is not only destructive but almost always ineffective, even when people come out thinking it saved their lives.
Think about it, I don’t think survivors who are pro AARC are all necessarily out to discredit the ones who claim they were abused. Look at the attitude of the survivors here on fornits ... many have a difficult time understanding those survivors who benefitted from a program so it is understandable that those who benefitted may have a hard time understanding how someone could say they were abused.
Its all in the individuals perspective.
Both sides were traumatized. Neither side can be unbiased.
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There is absolutely no question that the Wiz and his minions are attempting to discredit and vilify anyone who speaks out against AARC. They in fact have an enemies list, reminiscent of their philsophical brethren in Stalinist Russia. The end justifies the means after all. Praise the Maximum Leader and Executive Director! Here is an example of an AARColyte attempting to deflect attention from abuses perpetrated by AARC through a series of statements meant to discredit the victims.
This is from the Fifth Estate comments page. The poster put his child in AARC. The poster knows that he is lying in his statement, but has told his children that it was necessary in order that the public be aware of what kind of person Christine Lunn is. How one can convey truth by lying is beyond me, but then this is an AARColyte we're talking about:
"I find it interesting that in 2003 Christine Lunn was so happy with the role that AARC played in her recovery that she and her mom spoke to a group of parents concerned about their out of control teenagers. I remember her saying that she had tried every other facility in Calgary and had been rejected by all of them. The only one left was AARC. She knew she had to go there if she was going to get help. At that point in time she had a criminal record for armed robbery (arrested at age 15). In 2003 she had been sober for 7 years thanks to AARC (her words). In 2006, I heard her mother speak again about how the program at AARC had helped her and her family. In fact, it was Christine's story that convinced me that my family should look to AARC for help. My question is, what happened in Christine Lunn's life over the last 5 years that now she finds she has to blame AARC? Interesting how Fifth Estate neglected to mention what Christine's life looked like before AARC. It isn't every kid who is arrested for armed robbery at age 15. I wish her well in her search for a better life.
Pat West | | Posted February 15, 2009 12:29 PM"
http://www.cbc.ca/fifth/discussion/2009 ... rless.html (http://www.cbc.ca/fifth/discussion/2009/02/powerless.html)
Christine Lunn began speaking out against AARC in the late nineties. In fact, notorious pervert Marty Heeg observed just such an episode whilst he was bird-dogging an AA meeting, and in total breech of AA principles, reported M. Lunn's story back to AARC. Mr. G tried to contact M. Lunn in an effort to quash the claims. By 2000, M. Lunn's brother was back in AARC, no longer a sib but a full-fledged client. Christine was at this point placed on the AARC enemies list and prohibited from visiting her brother in the Centre. Yet another example of the totalist behavior of AARC followers. It's okay to lie, because the program is sacred and lying about those who would criticize it is a necessary sin.
What is really charming is the fact that M. Lunn's juvenile record is brought up by this "man". Such records are sealed, but that doesn't stop AARColytes from publicly breeching the legal right of someone to confidentiality. But it's necessary, in order for this AARColyte to use the tried and true AARC technique of equating criminal or otherwise antisocial behavior with addiction.
This is one of the principle dangers for people in AARC. Many of the young men placed in AARC are in fact dangerous criminals with personality disorders. In order for the Wiz to keep them in AARC, thereby winning the "law and order" support, along with the cash, he has always equated criminality with drug addiction. So what you get are a bunch of violent young men held in AARC with other kids who are at their mercy.
Here's another charming bit from the number one AARColyte fart-catcher:
http://fornits.com/phpbb/viewtopic.php?f=7&t=27120 (http://fornits.com/phpbb/viewtopic.php?f=7&t=27120)
The original poster has gone out of his way to disparage both Christine Lunn and Rachel. He was a staffer when Rachel was in AARC, and in my opinion has displayed truly bizarre behavior with regard to her, leading me to think that he is an accomplice in her rape.
Now, how this poster would have any idea who M. Lunn had accused of sexually assaulting her, and whether or not this is the right person, is beyond me. AARC claimed that M. Lunn had never reported such an episode. If she hadn't made an accusation, how could she have accused the wrong person.
As M. Lunn later formed a relationship with the man who victimized her, AARC has now changed their story. The fact is that AARC sent M. Lunn home with an adult oldcomer while she was a minor. In the home she was abused. It was reported to AARC, and they covered it up. M. Lunn was in fact forced to deny that the assault had taken place. As the oldcomer was A. an adult and B. in a postion of authority, this was a serious crime and would have had untold consequences for AARC, the host home family, the Oldcomer and the Wiz.
The fact that M. Lunn later formed a relationship with her abuser by no means diminishes the seriousness of the crime perpetrated against her by AARC and the Oldcomer, and does not fall outside of the behavior that could be expected of one subjected to systematic abuse.
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Further to the topic of AARColytes discrediting those who speak out against the cult, here's another example of Rachael's principle tormenter. He still hasn't learned how to spell apalled, a dead give-away every time:
"It's funny, I seriously thought I had seen one of those girls on that show in Kensington begging for money on the street.
Doesn't look like a very objectionable report though."
http://forums.beyond.ca/st/252786/anyon ... th-estate/ (http://forums.beyond.ca/st/252786/anyone-see-the-episode-about-aarc-on-fifth-estate/)
Joshy, I didn't object to the report either. This is just too hilarious:
"Looking at their website, the staff look pretty qualified to me"
Let's see...had to fire Marty Heeg, the only registered social worker. That leaves Lyin' Bryan, a BA from the Union Institute and some trouble over dispensing hate at Mount Royal, Natalie Oldcomer and GoneWayDownBrown with their Loma Linda family degrees, and the Wiz, with his phys ed background and Union Institute mail-order PhD.
But here's the AARColyte unmasked:
"The stories about what a compulsive liar that rachel chick was when she was in the AARC program are a plenty from numerous members of her group, and how they told her to stop trying to use big words because she wasn't ever using them in the proper context... She claimed to not have known her attackers? I talked to a graduate who said she specifically named the two people she "knew" raped her but was scared...so scared that I guess she had to go on the 5th, but not report the issue to the police or anything like that. Sorry, I call bullshit on all of it, if you have the sack to go on National TV and show your face making allegations like that, you definitely have the ability to make a statement to the police about it.
Oh and that the "rapist" and that girl dated and hung out for nearly 2 years after they graduated???? "
http://forums.beyond.ca/showthread.php? ... genumber=3 (http://forums.beyond.ca/showthread.php?s=f7b27e65b2c784ab4fb87d5d7d3ec92d&threadid=252786&perpage=20&highlight=&pagenumber=3)
What's interesting is how this person knows anything about any of these claims. Now since Rachel ran from Calgary after leaving AARC, it seems highly unlikely that she dated her rapist. So is he referring to Christine Lunn? Or perhaps another lady who was raped and then formed a relationship with her assaillant?
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All the info is interesting to read but you have to remember that there "is" such as thing as a compulsive liar. Also people should be considered innocent until proven guilty. For all we know this Rachael person could be a compulsive liar. Lets wait to see how it all unfolds before we jump to judgment.
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The original poster has gone out of his way to disparage both Christine Lunn and Rachel.
We have all witnessed you,AJAX13, going out of your way to disparge AARC people all the time .... their degrees, weight issues, spouses problems, graduates in general etc. Why is it okay for you but not others to do?
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On the topic of Loma Linda Canadian campus, a small Seventh-day Adventist college located 3km north of Lacombe...
Can't find it on a list of accredited Canadian colleges and universities anywhere. The campus in California is accredited by COAMFTE, which I believe means that it is recognized throughout North America. But on Loma Linda's website, they state the "the Canadian campus is NOT accredited by the Commission on Accreditation for Marriage and Family Therapy Education (COAMFTE), the accrediting body for the AAMFT."
But Loma Linda (Lacombe) claims that it is recognized by Alberta Advanced Education as a degree granting program, despite not being accredited. Interesting that Alberta Advanced Education does not have Loma Linda on it's list of recognized post-secondary institutions in Alberta:
http://www.advancededucation.gov.ab.ca/ ... ntact.aspx (http://www.advancededucation.gov.ab.ca/post-secondary/institutions/public/pscontact.aspx)
If you really search, Loma Linda CALIFORNIA (NOT the run-down shack situated 3 km north of Lacombe) is listed under Alberta Advanced Education as a degree granting institution that is not part of Alberta's Roles & Mandates Framework. In other words, it appears that they can't vouch for it's access, affordability or quality.
I wonder where AARC's "clinical directors" will end up after AARC's shut down and they try applying for jobs with their useless credentials.
http://www.mcdonalds.ca/en/careers/benefits.aspx (http://www.mcdonalds.ca/en/careers/benefits.aspx)
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The original poster has gone out of his way to disparage both Christine Lunn and Rachel.
We have all witnessed you,AJAX13, going out of your way to disparge AARC people all the time .... their degrees, weight issues, spouses problems, graduates in general etc. Why is it okay for you but not others to do?
The issue was whether or not AARColytes are trying to discredit those who speak out against the cult. In order to accomplish this, they have resorted to lying, as demonstrated above, and as ignored by this guest.
I do not feel that the Wiz, Lyin' Bryan, Natalie Oldcomer, nor GoneWayDown Brown, are qualified to perform psychic intervention, which they do, at AARC. Their academic qualifications are insufficient to qualify them to be licensed as psychologists, or as social workers, in Alberta. As they perform a Restricted Activity as defined under the Alberta Health Professions Act, but they are not members of any profession covered by this act, their behavior constitutes a Danger to Public Health, as outlined in the Health Professionals Act.
I have previously stated that I believe that Judge Crook-Stanhopeless is mentally unstable, and this is evidenced in part by her morbid obesity. I believe this sincerely, and have stated so in the past. Her husband's entirely unethical behavior as regards doctor-patient confidentiality and conflict of interest for both husband and wife is a very serious issue, putting the legal rights and health of AARC clients at risk.
I have seen countless examples of bizarre behavior from many graduates aimed at silencing anyone who would draw attention to the very serious problems related to AARC.
I have made no secret that I think the program is a fraudulent, and dangerous. Nor have I hidden the fact that I believe the staff to be corrupt and dangerous. Unlike AARColytes, I don't lie about what I'm doing. This is in stark contrast to the AARColyte practise of attacking those who speak out, and then claiming that they're not trying to discredit anyone.
Once again, that pesky AARC achilles heel of constantly resorting to bald-faced lies is exposed again.
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Ajax,you do the same thing, you just refuse to see it. You distort the truth and avoid the facts because you have no facts. You call this guy Vause a “gym teacher” to try to diminish his title. Anyone could pick a prominent doctor and call him “The highschool graduate” which would be true because he/she graduated from highschool.
Look at your own post.. you use words like “I think”, “I believe”.. or “I do not feel” .. you have no facts, you are just giving your opinion, which is great and that is what others do. I think it bothers you more because there are more of them and they carry the distinction of being successful and positive where your posts are directed more at trying to degrade people or show them in a bad light. For some reason seeing other people happy or succeeding somehow offends you.
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Vause is not recognized as a psychologist in Alberta. That IS a fact. He is NOT a doctor. He obtained his PhD from a university that is not recognized in Canada. His PhD is no more valid than if I were to write a really long essay about magic tricks. In fact, one guy received his PhD from the Union Institute with his dissertation about "How to use magic in every day life and make money."
I know it's hard to believe that some guy could pretend to be a doctor and open up a rehab, but it's true. He's a con man, who found holes in the system and took advantage of them.. such as claiming that AARC is an outpatient centre in order to avoid government oversight and regulation.
Just because you don't like the facts, or because Vause dismisses them, doesn't make them untrue. When people confront him with these FACTS, he inevitably says something really stupid, like "this is a tough disease, and 85% of my grads are sober, which is phenomenal!"
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Vause is not recognized as a psychologist in Alberta. That IS a fact. He is NOT a doctor. He obtained his PhD from a university that is not recognized in Canada. His PhD is no more valid than if I were to write a really long essay about magic tricks. In fact, one guy received his PhD from the Union Institute with his dissertation about "How to use magic in every day life and make money."
I know it's hard to believe that some guy could pretend to be a doctor and open up a rehab, but it's true. He's a con man, who found holes in the system and took advantage of them.. such as claiming that AARC is an outpatient centre in order to avoid government oversight and regulation.
Just because you don't like the facts, or because Vause dismisses them, doesn't make them untrue. When people confront him with these FACTS, he inevitably says something really stupid, like "this is a tough disease, and 85% of my grads are sober, which is phenomenal!"
The guy has a PhD. There is nothing you can do about it Ajax. They will not take it away from him because you disagree with the school he got it from. There are people who do their dissertations on many silly things. At least he is out there doing something and making a difference. You still havent defined what qualifications are needed to be in his position. He was doing just fine even before he got his PhD, many people do just fine with a master’s degree or even high school diploma.
You argument is really weak.
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First of all, I'm not ajax. Second, you seem to not understand the purpose of accreditation in order to ensure standards of education. It's not that I (or Ajax) don't like the Union Institute for personal reasons. If a university is not recognized in this country, it is because the professional community doesn't "like " it. If Vause's 1000 page essay about his plans to open up a rehab was so remarkable then why didn't he obtain his PhD through a valid, accredited university in Canada? Most likely because somebody might have actually read it and been creeped out by his fantasies of becoming a cult leader.
You can defend your leader all you want. I know he's trained you not to think for yourself and to loyally defend him without question, so it's not really your fault.
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Why is everyone so hyped on degrees? Charles Darwin recieved his degree in theology and went on to forge a frontier in the field of science.
As far as we all know this guy Vause is well qualified for his position. He has been doing it long enough. If he wants to further educate himself who cares if he pursues a degree in kite flying or magic!! Any type of higher education helps to keep the mind sharp and broadens your horizons.
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It has very clearly been laid out what qualifications one requires in Alberta to perform the specific Restricted Activity described in the Health Professions Act. Claiming that the qualifications for the Wiz's job are not defined is a blatant lie. It is is illegal for the Wiz and his staff to "perform a psychosocial intervention with an expectation of treating a substantial disorder of thought, mood, perception, orientation or memory that grossly impairs: i)judgement ii)behaviour iii)capacity to recognize reality, or iv)ability to meet the ordinary demands of life"
http://www.cpsa.ab.ca/Libraries/Res_Mes ... .sflb.ashx (http://www.cpsa.ab.ca/Libraries/Res_Messenger/M131_insert_supervision_of_restricted_activities.sflb.ashx)
That is exactly what the Wiz and his staff do, and none of them are legally entitled to do it.
The Wiz's PhD is relevant to this issue insofaras it is his stated qualification to perform the above mentioned Restricted Activity. It does not qualify him to do this. The Wiz is entitled to pursue whatever education he wants, but he has used his mail-order PhD to sell himself as a qualified mental health provider when he is not.
I refer to the Wiz as a phys ed teacher because that is his professional qualification. He has for many years simply lied about being a psychologist, as he has been illegally performing psychosocial interventions, the role of a psychologist. He has used unscientific and medically unsound methods, developed by other amateurs who were cult leaders, specifically Chuck Dederich, Art Barker, and Miller Newton. So referring to him as a phys ed teacher is absolutely nothing like referring to a qualified physician as a high school graduate.
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Why is everyone so hyped on degrees? Charles Darwin recieved his degree in theology and went on to forge a frontier in the field of science.
As far as we all know this guy Vause is well qualified for his position. He has been doing it long enough. If he wants to further educate himself who cares if he pursues a degree in kite flying or magic!! Any type of higher education helps to keep the mind sharp and broadens your horizons.
I think they are just trying to discredit the guy. If he received his degree in Canada they would be wondering why he didnt get it in the US. But the point is he got his degree from an accredited university whether he needed it or not. He could have just done all the work and research and not even bothered with getting a degree. Its not like he needed it for his job. He was just furthering his education.
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Again, this is a lie. He requires not only an education to do his job, but a license, and he has neither. Once again, the supernatural intuition of AARColytes appears, knowing specifically what someone else's reponse would be to a hypothetical situation. Magical!
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He could have just done all the work and research and not even bothered with getting a degree. Its not like he needed it for his job. He was just furthering his education.
It's not like he needed it for his job? Are you serious? They really beat the critical thinking skills out of you, didn't they? :beat:
It's not like he's pretending to be a professional kite maker. He's pretending to be a doctor!
So... if I were to buy an education from some website and research how to be a brain surgeon on the internet, you wouldn't have a problem with me attempting to cut out people's brain tumours? I mean, after all, I'm just trying to better myself and help people right? You should come over to my place - I'll practice my trepanning skills on you.
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He could have just done all the work and research and not even bothered with getting a degree. Its not like he needed it for his job. He was just furthering his education.
It's not like he needed it for his job? Are you serious? They really beat the critical thinking skills out of you, didn't they? :beat:
It's not like he's pretending to be a professional kite maker. He's pretending to be a doctor!
So... if I were to buy an education from some website and research how to be a brain surgeon on the internet, you wouldn't have a problem with me attempting to cut out people's brain tumours? I mean, after all, I'm just trying to better myself and help people right? You should come over to my place - I'll practice my trepanning skills on you.
The guy was doing fine even before he got his PhD, same job he has now. The 5th estate checked into the legality of AARC and have been under a microscope even before that. If they fail to even recycle a plastic water bottle we will hear about it.
If anyone doubts that their licenses are not in order then a quick call downtown should clarify it for you. That is what I do. I could pick any physicians name out of a hat and argue he isnt properly qualified or is pretending to practice outside his field and try to convince people on the internet that I am right..... but bottom line is we dont have to guess who is right we have agencies which monitor and protect all of us.
Just call them like I did and you will find out that AARC and their employees are practicing well above all established limits.
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They have no licenses, other than as a charity. That is a fact. If you imply anything else, you're lying. A physician is licensed, the Wiz and none of the staff are. There is no logical comparison. They are performing a Restricted Act that they are not licensed nor qualified to perform. It's against the law in Alberta, period.
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Just called "downtown". Gonna have to agree with ajax on this one.
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Just called "downtown". Gonna have to agree with ajax on this one.
Well, if you are right then we will all be watching the news tomorrow to see if they are shut down for license violations. But we have been through this several times in the past and each time AARC and their employees have been found to be working well within the legal system and have all the qualifications needed.
We all know that these agencies are not going to allow hospitals, doctors and other professionals to practice outside the law once they are notified. I have read about a doctor who was exposed in the midwest for working without a license and it was a huge story....cant wait to read about it tomorrow, the papers love this stuff.
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Just called "downtown". Gonna have to agree with ajax on this one.
Well, if you are right then we will all be watching the news tomorrow to see if they are shut down for license violations. But we have been through this several times in the past and each time AARC and their employees have been found to be working well within the legal system and have all the qualifications needed.
We all know that these agencies are not going to allow hospitals, doctors and other professionals to practice outside the law once they are notified. I have read about a doctor who was exposed in the midwest for working without a license and it was a huge story....cant wait to read about it tomorrow, the papers love this stuff.
Tic,Tic, Tic goes the clock. Ajax needs to come up with a quick damage control strategy.... he knows AARC is legal.... Tic,Tic,Tic goes the clock..... maybe Ajax can say that there is a conspiracy and the newspapers are in on it too and wont report it.... Tic,TicTic goes the clock.... maybe the state agencies are in on it too!!! TicTicTic goes the clock.
Everyone watch the news tonight for the breaking story (or not)
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AARC actually was in the news - a couple of times. It seems that they've been flying under the radar with their claims of being an outpatient treatment centre. Nice loophole Wiz, since Children's Services does not have any capabilities or mandate to license non-residential addiction treatment centres. As long as they claim that their patients are free to go home at night, nobody cares who they are or what credentials they have. Something tells me that AARC isn't going to be able to get away with that lie much longer, and Vause will likely be charged for false imprisonment, just like his old pal Virgil.
I know you're just as excited as I am to see AARC close it's doors, but I don't think it'll take as long as some people think.
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There are no agencies that oversee AARC's treatment practises. They are an outlaw organization. When the group was refused licensing under the name Kids of the Canadian West, they simply changed names and opened anyway, with no oversight from anyone. The closest approximation to what the Wiz does is a back alley abortionist: performing a health procedure that is regulated by law with no qualifications, using unmonitored and dangerous methods, serving a desperate, uninformed clientele, and often doing tremdendous harm to those who submit to his treatment.
Using the article "these" to refer to agencies you haven't named is incoherent. There is no agency that will intercede, as none has mandate to oversee AARC, since it is a criminal organization. There is no ministry to oversee and regulate criminal cults. The only people who can act are the police, and their last chief was up to his ass in AARC.
The story will not be on the news, because no journalist in this city would dare disgrace Markin and McCaig by pointing out the fact that they are figureheads for a cult.
Neither the AARColytes, nor the American pedophile can address the fact that AARC performs a very specific Restricted Activity, and that it is illegal for their staff to do so because they are rank amateurs. It is an indisputable fact.
What is interesting is how absolutely disingenuous both the American pedophile and the AARColytes are, infering that the illegal nature of the program would result in it's immediate closure, when in fact this particular model of criminal enterprise has existed for almost forty years.
Miller Newton was found to be liable in numerous malpractise cases for doing the exact same thing as the Wiz, but he got away with the fraud for twenty years. The Wiz has been at it for seventeen years with All About Receiving Cash.
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Please tell me, if AARC is completely legal, how does it get around The Protection of Children Abusing Drugs Act (an Alberta law that took effect in 2006?)
http://www.aadac.com/565_532.asp (http://www.aadac.com/565_532.asp)
tic, tic, tic...
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I didnt see anything on the news last night either. This place has been under a microscope for awhile now. They even did a special report on AARC on 5th Estate and didnt find anything illegal.
If they were doing even the least bit thing not by the books it would have been uncovered.
I had a friend in school who use to call his algebra teacher a pedophile and it turned out years later that he was just saying that because he got a "D" in the class. Go figure. Kids can be pretty harsh sometimes.
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Why are you pretending that it is news that the Fifth Estate did a report on AARC, when every single poster on here is well aware of that fact?
Why can't you address the fact that the staff at AARC are performing an illegal act when they perform the Restricted Activity outlined in the prior post?
Why can't you address the fact that it is not legal for AARC to hold their clients against their will without a court order, yet they do?
Why can't you address the fact that even under PCHAD the kid cannot be held longer than five days, must have access to a lawyer, and must be made aware of their release date, none of which AARC abides by?
Stating that AARC must be legal because nobody is shutting it down is so childishly illogical as to defy understanding in any milieu outside of either a group of mentally handicapped people or as part of some bizarre game.
As an infinite number of possible reasons for AARC not being closed exist, it is tremendously fatuous to claim that if they were doing "even the least bit thing not by the books it would have been uncovered".
That statement is so inane, I am not quite sure how to respond to it.
Whose microscope has AARC been under? The Health Minister is not investigating AARC. The Justice Minister is not. The Children's Services Minister is not, and neither are the Calgary Police Service.
Are you then referring to me? You must be, since nobody else is seriously undertaking an analysis of the program, and I have pointed out three illegal elements of the program in this post alone.
Lie after lie is piled on. "The AARColytes aren't trying to discredit the people speak out against AARC." Yes, they are, as demonstrated over and over again on a number of websites.
"Vause doesn't need any academic qualifications nor a license to do what he does." Yes, he does, as spelled out quite plainly in the Alberat Health Professions Act.
"AARC has all the required licenses". No, the treatment cetntre has no license at all, nor does the staff providing treatment.
As soon as you're caught in a lie, you simply change the subject, as has been the case since this forum was created.
Did any of you AARColytes ever manage to clearly refute a single thing brought up against AARC, ever?
It is embarassing to think of AARColytes as fellow human beings. How many posts on the CBC website contained AARColyte claims that the Fifth Estate report contained lies, and yet not a single instance of a lie was ever demonstrated by any AARColytes. A few AARColytes lied about the interviewees, but no one could dispute that the Wiz copied the program from Kids, no one could dispute that the host homes are dangerous, no one could dispute that the Wiz was an employee of a disgraceful rip-off abuse factory. So what were the lies the CBC told?
Again, no AARColytes can provide anything to substantiate their claims, so they jump to something else, make an emotional outburst with no basis in fact or reason and then resort to the tried and true AARC method of threats.
How's that investigation into internet threats going? How about the "lawsuit packages" the girls were getting two months ago? How about the police "slander" investigation?
The only response you people have is to send your mouth-breathing political hacks into the Legislature, where instead of answering questions about AARC, they respond with "how many people has AARC helped?", as though that vague and unaswerable question mitigates the fact that AARC is an outlaw totalist socio-religious organization.
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Look Ajax, it is simple. If AARC has been breaking the law as you claim they have been you wouldn’t have to reduce yourself to "name calling" like calling everyone AARColytes and “The Wiz” Making fun of peoples wives and weight conditions etc.(THIS IS A DEAD GIVE AWAY). None of this would be played out on some forum on the internet. You do this out of frustration and hatred because no laws have been broken and that bugs the shit out of you. You know that we know that….and the readers on fornits know it too.
If you have even one shred of evidence against AARC you would drive down to the appropriate authorities and let them know that so and so is operating without a proper license and has a fake degree and BINGO !!! We could all sit back and let it unfold on TV as we all ate popcorn and have a friggin hoot!!!. But you know what, Ajax, with all your dreaming and wishing it to be so:
It Jusy Aint Goin to happen!! So get over it already.
All I can say is that you are like “5 o’clock Charlie” from M.A.S.H. only funnier. AARC will continue to move along helping people long after you have exhausted your last ditch efforts to disparage them on the internet. But I think that a big part of you is enjoying this too like we are, wink, wink.
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It Jusy Aint Goin to happen!! So get over it already.
"Jusy" because it hasn't happened yet, doesn't mean it aint goin to happen. And I would love to be a fly on the wall and see the looks on your faces when it does. Did you even check out that Protection of Children Abusing Drugs Act? Does AARC hold clients for more than 5 days? Do they give clients the right to contact Legal Aid or a lawyer? Do clients have the right to ask the court for a review of the confinement order and are they given a Request for Review form? Is Vause a licensed psychologist? Are any of AARC's clinical directors licensed psychologists? Is AARC an "outpatient" treatment centre, as they claim to be? Please spare me the anecdotes from your childhood and answer my questions.
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No response from any AARColyte nor the American pedophile specifically addressing the fact that the Wiz and his staff perform, on a dialy basis, a Restricted Activity which none of the are legally permitted to do. They are not permitted to perform this restricted activity because they have neither the prerequisite training nor formal education.
It's an immutable fact.
It's against the law for AARC to hold people without court orders, a common occurrence at AARC.
Immutable fact.
Although the name is confusing, what with the AARC being the title of the charity organization and not the actual centre, neither the organization nor the centre "move along". One is an abstract concept, and the other a fixed structure.
Feel free to take a stab though at explaining how AARC staff are legally entitled to perform Restricted Activities without any licensing, and how they are entitled to hold people for months without court orders, and how they are entitled to prevent clients from contacting a lawyer while on phase 1.
Rather than using the entirely false corollary that AARC operates legally because it hasn't been shut down, why not look at the above, which are facts and not opinions, and offer some type of comment.
Trust me, I don't enjoy this. The two principle posters trying to cover up the issue here are a pedophile associated with a program in the US, and a former AARC peer counselor whom I strongly believe is a rapist. It's frankly quite unpleasant. But for now, until a medical malpractise suit is underway against the Wiz and the AARC staff, I intend to keep reminding readers of the blatantly illegal practises used at AARC.
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Did you even check out that Protection of Children Abusing Drugs Act?
Yes I did. It seems to be written to help parents get mandatory help for a child whose use of alcohol or drugs is likely to cause significant psychological or physical harm to themselves or others. Allows them to get a court order for treatment for up to 5 days etc. . It seems like an excellent option for parents to get help for their kids if they refuse help and do not have the resources or places like AARC are full.
If the courts do not feel that AARCmeets these requirements then they just court order kids to other places. Not that big a deal really, AARC doesn’t need to rely on the court system to fill their beds.
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The two principle posters trying to cover up the issue here are a pedophile associated with a program in the US, and a former AARC peer counselor whom I strongly believe is a rapist. It's frankly quite unpleasant.
What are the names of these people?
I'm sure you've already thought of this, but something to look into is filing a civil rights abuse suit against the police disctrict in which the AARC is situated. The police shouldn't be able to chose to just look the other way.
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So no comment on the fact that it's not legal for AARC to hold people against their will without a court order, and even with a court order can only hold them for 5 days under PCHAD. Can't even take a stab at spinning the AARC practise of holding people incommunicado for months on end? Nothing?
Love that criminal attitude, "no big deal".
So what if malpractise takes place every day, all day in AARC? So what if unlawful confinement is used? So what if the methods used in AARC constitute a threat to public health? So what if the Wiz lies about his professional qualifications up until it becomes public, at which point he claims he doesn't need any qualifications?
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No response from any AARColyte nor the American pedophile specifically addressing the fact that the Wiz and his staff perform, on a dialy basis, a Restricted Activity which none of the are legally permitted to do. They are not permitted to perform this restricted activity because they have neither the prerequisite training nor formal education.
It's an immutable fact.
It's against the law for AARC to hold people without court orders, a common occurrence at AARC.
Immutable fact.
Although the name is confusing, what with the AARC being the title of the charity organization and not the actual centre, neither the organization nor the centre "move along". One is an abstract concept, and the other a fixed structure.
Feel free to take a stab though at explaining how AARC staff are legally entitled to perform Restricted Activities without any licensing, and how they are entitled to hold people for months without court orders, and how they are entitled to prevent clients from contacting a lawyer while on phase 1.
Rather than using the entirely false corollary that AARC operates legally because it hasn't been shut down, why not look at the above, which are facts and not opinions, and offer some type of comment.
Trust me, I don't enjoy this. The two principle posters trying to cover up the issue here are a pedophile associated with a program in the US, and a former AARC peer counselor whom I strongly believe is a rapist. It's frankly quite unpleasant. But for now, until a medical malpractise suit is underway against the Wiz and the AARC staff, I intend to keep reminding readers of the blatantly illegal practises used at AARC.
We all should continue to do what each of us feels is right, Ajax. I think you should continue to express your opinions. But the fact remains that AARC has been exposed to media scrutiny, 5th estate etc. and no wrong doing has been found. You have your opinions and the law has their interpretation.
I am just siding with the law and professional investigators accounts and feedback. AARC is helping kids right and left and I understand that this bothers you, but you need to accept this fact. Your constant picking and exposure if nothing else is going to help keep this place on track. The more attention and light we can shine on AARC the better for them and for the kids who are attending this place. They will get nothing but better!!
Lets everyone keep plugging away, keep this thread at the top and the information flowing.
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What information have you passed on? You made a false statement that no wrongdoing has been found, when that is exactly what has been found, and then claim to side with the law and professional investigators? What professional investigators? What law are you siding with?
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The two principle posters trying to cover up the issue here are a pedophile associated with a program in the US, and a former AARC peer counselor whom I strongly believe is a rapist. It's frankly quite unpleasant.
What are the names of these people?
I'm sure you've already thought of this, but something to look into is filing a civil rights abuse suit against the police disctrict in which the AARC is situated. The police shouldn't be able to chose to just look the other way.
If you have read here long enough, Ajaxs' strength is misinformation and throwing stones from the shadows. He would never use someones name in context with something where he would have to defend his words in court. He works better behind the veil (Burka) and internet.
Unlike Ajax,AARC is open to interviews and media coverage. You can find them online, visit their place if you choose and contact the local authorities to inquire about thier program. Ajax would not hold up too well under this same exposure.
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Not a single factual response? Unlawful confinement? Performing Restricted Activities without a license? Habeus Corpus? Whatever happened to AARC suing me, and the the Fifth Estate, and the people who appeared on Fifth Estate? What happened to the claim that I was being investigated for slander? How about that internet threat investigation? Still nothing?
Throwing stones, hand grenades, confetti? Do you have anymore vague metaphors that don't apply and allow you to indulge your need to say something when you have nothing to say?
Why not ask the Wiz why he told you that everyone was being sued, when in fact they're not?
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AARC is currently going through the same process KIDS went through before it was finally shut down. Despite the fact that AARC, like KIDS, is blatantly breaking the law in numerous ways, these things take time. Personally, I don't believe that it will take as long to shut down AARC as it did with KIDS because Vause is apparently having some trouble keeping his lies strait. It's only a matter of time before his influential friends decide to save themselves and their careers and back out. From what I've heard, some of them are already getting quite irritated by his assertion that they're in bed together.
It's almost eerie how history repeats itself...
Over the years TV shows and investigators looked in to the program. Some were permitted to enter the building, ask questions, and film. Nobody was permitted to speak with the reporters except the graduates. Eventually, the states began investigating reports of abuse and false imprisonment in California, Utah, and Texas. Kids of El Paso and Kids of Southern California shut their doors in 1989 due bankruptcy. The legal battles to fight claims of physical abuse, false imprisonment, and mind control proved to be too much. Kids started coming to NJ from all over. A few months after that Salt Lake closed it's doors. In spite of all the investigations and inquiries the New Jersey program stayed open. About a year after an airing of "West 57th St." Bergen County Prosecutors went in and pulled people out who were over 18 and asked them if they wanted to leave. Some did, some did not. The prosecutors repeated this action a few months later.
Shortly after this investigation Newton shut down the building at 80 Commerce Way in Hackensack and began looking for another building. The clients were sent to what they called "Satellite Homes" where 7-20 or more kids and staff would meet and have group sessions at family's homes. He was also seen by a former parent to be holding open meetings in a church in River Edge, NJ. He relocated to an empty warehouse in Secaucus, New Jersey. He changed the name from Kids of Bergen County, to Kids of North Jersey. Secaucus is an industrial town with mostly minorities. He knew he could get Medicaid funding there. The State of New Jersey gave Newton a special certificate to operate from the Commissioner of Health and Human Services.
New Jersey knew that Kids was a controversial program and proceeded to have state officials check it out. They found numerous counts of insurance fraud and many major insurance companies had already stopped funding. Families desperate to keep their children in Kids were putting third mortgages on their homes. New Jersey launched a Medicaid fraud investigation in 1999, which was Newton's demise. During this time, R*b*cca Ehrl*ch was in the process of suing Newton and his team of psychologists for $4.5 million. She won that suit in 2001. Her attorney was Phil Elberg. Elberg took on Newton again in 2003 winning a 6.5 million dollar settlement for former client L*lu C*rt*r, who spent 13 years in Kids of Bergen County and Kids of North Jersey.
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Not a single factual response?
I am not saying your responses are not factual. But if you don’t name the persons name than how will we know? You just don’t sound very credible to me. The readers here are not stupid. If you really had information about people being raped and another being a pedophile you wouldn’t be withholding it. You are mudslinging from the shadows because you have no facts.
Unlawful confinement?
None reported that the city is aware of.
Performing Restricted Activities without a license?
No? Can you site any links to violations?
Habeus Corpus?
If you check with the court systems you will find no violations in this area at all.
Whatever happened to AARC suing me, and the the Fifth Estate, and the people who appeared on Fifth Estate? What happened to the claim that I was being investigated for slander? How about that internet threat investigation? Still nothing?
Throwing stones, hand grenades, confetti? Do you have anymore vague metaphors that don't apply and allow you to indulge your need to say something when you have nothing to say?
Why not ask the Wiz why he told you that everyone was being sued, when in fact they're not?
So there are many words but no substance. Where are the links to all these violations and threats. AARC has a public website. Their staff and credentials can be easily found and anyone can call downtown to review complaints and non compliances.
You just don’t have credibility, Ajax, because you have no substance, AARC does.
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"Hi, court system? Any violations of Habeus Corpus? No? Okay, thank you."
"None reported that the city is aware of?"
"Hi City, it's Joshy. Any unlawful confinement reported? No? Great!"
"Can you site any links to violations?"
No, Joshy, the violations website is down.
How's that slander thing coming along?
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No, Joshy, the violations website is down.
How's that slander thing coming along?
Call back in a few hours. Sometimes the site goes down.... it happens. Dont take it as a cover up, jeeses you are so paranoid, Ajax. Fornits’ site goes down too once in awhile it happens. As far as the slander thing, I am not sure what you mean.
But I think you are beginning to see what I mean about AARC being out in the open and exposed to media scrutiny. You walk on over to AARC open the door and talk about any concerns you have. There is substance there, accountability and a history with their community. But with you , Ajax, we need to rely on your personal feelings. You have no substance, no way to hold you accountable for what you say. You say someone was raped. Yet refuse to say who or by who? This isn’t something someone typically says on the internet and then refuses to name the person unless they are lying. You know that and the readers know that. If you are telling the truth you have nothing to be afraid of. If you are lying then you need to stay in the shadows the way you are and allow the rest of us to speak openly and honestly. We expect to be held to task for our actions, you apparently do not.
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You keep asking for proof that AARC is lying and breaking the laws. We keep giving it to you. At first you deny it, but as soon as you realize that you're being illogical, you simply shrug it off and say it doesn't matter.
There is a law in Alberta that states that you can confine your child for a maximum of 5 days in a protective safe house, after obtaining government approval. Even then, the child has the right to appeal and have access to legal aid. I've provided the link for that law, which AARC does not abide by. Before 2006, I don't believe parents were legally allowed to force their children into treatment for any amount of time.
AARC has flown under the radar with the help of influential friends and by falsely claiming to be an outpatient treatment centre. I was shocked when I learned just a couple of months ago that they were lying and claiming to be non-residential. Now I see why they might chose to lie about that:
Children's Minister Janis Tarchuk: "In terms of AARC, my department does not have any capabilities or mandate to license a non-residential addiction treatment centre."
Eventually, I believe that AARC is going to be forced to stop using host homes for their detainees at night. They will be forced to admit that they are a residential treatment centre, and will be subjected to the regulations and licensing requirements it's been avoiding since it's inception. The "research and life experience" of Vause, Natalie, Bryan, Colin, and all of the peer counselors may impress you, but the government of Canada will likely frown upon a bunch of laymen performing psychic murder on teenagers.
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There is a law in Alberta that states that you can confine your child for a maximum of 5 days in a protective safe house, after obtaining government approval. Even then, the child has the right to appeal and have access to legal aid. I've provided the link for that law, which AARC does not abide by. Before 2006, I don't believe parents were legally allowed to force their children into treatment for any amount of time.
That is a parental choice. Some may choose not to have their child court ordered for 5 days and just place them into AARC on their own with no court, thereby bypassing the 5 day rule. Parents can place their children anywhere they like until the child is 18 or 21. If you just sign a waiver you can place your child into daycare for days at a time until they are 18. You can pass you kids off to a nanny and the nanny can do whatever she likes. Take the kids over state lines is she chooses. You can drop your kids off at their grandparents indefinitely for no reason or any paperwork involved.
You seem to be confused on the law a bit.... when kids become 18 then the due process, habeas corpus and personal choices etc. start to kick in. Until a child is old enough the parents dictate what needs to be done.
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Children's Minister Janis Tarchuk: "In terms of AARC, my department does not have any capabilities or mandate to license a non-residential addiction treatment centre."
There are thousands of businesses that do not require a license to operate within the city limits. The childrens minister Janis Tarchuk said himself that he does not have the capability to license AARC. So this is not the fault of AARC. They might have applied several times but since they are non-residential the licenses do not apply. So they run under a special license or none at all like everyone else.
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A new heavyweight champion of nonsense has just been crowned! It is not legal for parents to put their kids anywhere they want until they're 18. That is a blatant lie, and displays either complete ignorance of the subject at hand, or complete dishonesty.
"So they run under a special license or none at all like everyone else."
Just like everyone else practising medicine without a license. So there's the Wiz, and all the back-alley abortionists and possibly organ-traffickers. Excellent company for the Wiz to keep!
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I'm actually not confused about this law at all. "The Protection of Children Abusing Drugs Act (PChAD) is an Alberta law that takes effect on July 1, 2006 to help children UNDER 18 years of age."
Unfortunately for AARC, children in Canada DO have rights.
Convention on the Rights of the Child:
Article 37
(b) No child shall be deprived of his or her liberty unlawfully or arbitrarily. The arrest, detention or imprisonment of a child shall be in conformity with the law and shall be used only as a measure of last resort and for the shortest appropriate period of time;
Do not even get me started on how many clients in AARC were "deprived of his or her liberty unlawfully or arbitrarily." Some clients weren't even diagnosed as addicts. Anybody remember that guy who was in AARC because they claimed he was "addicted to anger" or the girl who was "addicted to lying"? The vast majority of clients were not court ordered or convicted of any crimes. I saw so many kids in AARC who were 12-13 when they went in, had drank a few times and were NOT addicted - and unfortunately, those were the kids who often spent the longest amounts of time in AARC - years of their lives stolen from them. "Last resort and for the shortest appropriate period of time"? As the Wiz himself would say, I think I'm gonna have to call bullshit on that one.
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A new heavyweight champion of nonsense has just been crowned! It is not legal for parents to put their kids anywhere they want until they're 18. That is a blatant lie, and displays either complete ignorance of the subject at hand, or complete dishonesty.
"So they run under a special license or none at all like everyone else."
Just like everyone else practising medicine without a license. So there's the Wiz, and all the back-alley abortionists and possibly organ-traffickers. Excellent company for the Wiz to keep!
So Children's Minister Janis Tarchuk doesnt have a problem with AARC and is aware of them. What law has been broken and why dont you speak to him directly?
Seems a little odd you keep all of this information and knowledge to yourself and this forum.
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Why don't you spell out which law permits AARC to hold people against their will? Why don't you demonstrate which law permits AARC to hold someone without allowing the detainee to contact a lawyer? Why don't you show us which law permits AARC employees to perform activities deemed to be Restricted Activities under the Health Professions Act in Alberta despite their lack of professional qualifications and licenses?
Now which poster knows whom I have and have not contacted in the Alberta government, and what their various responses have been? More of that good ol' AARC supernatural power!
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You post the links but you fail to read it yourself.. listen up “The PChAD program allows you, as legal guardian, to ask the court for an apprehension and confinement order. This order will mean your child can be taken to a protective safe house for up to five days, even if he/she does not want to go.”
The parents may choose this route if they want to for their child. Personally I would rather avoid the court appointed 5 day eval and just go directly to AARC myself. Not all kids need to go through the PChAD program. You seem to be confused.
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Your complete lack of common sense is starting to get irritating. First of all, please stop referred to Janis Tarchuk as if she were male. Second, these are hardly secrets that I'm keeping to myself. Just because the police didn't raid AARC the day after the Fifth Estate, you seem to think that AARC is in the clear. Pretty foolish assumption, if you ask me.
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This whole conversation has been really worth it. I didn’t realize until reading here that most posters felt that the 5 day evaluation period was mandatory. There is so much mis information going on here (Ajax you are really confusing people here). The use of the PChaD is just one of many avenues a parent can take. Not all kids are subjected to this nor should they be. It is good that we were able to clear up this confusion.
Parents can place their children directly into AARC without going thru the court system.
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Did Mr.Tarchuk tell you that? You're so certain that children don't have rights in Canada and parents can do whatever the hell they want with them... Where on that website does it say, "You can lock up your kid the legal way, or 'the AARC way"'? There have been several stories in the news about parents locking their kids in their basements for long periods of time. Strange that the police cared since children are mere possessions of their parents and it's nobody's business where the parents choose to keep them. Tell me, does AARC have it's own time zone over there on Forge Rd.? There really isn't a single law in the country that applies to them, is there? Remarkable.
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Mr.Chase: "...The AARC facility has a business licence as
opposed to having a professionally accredited licence that would
recognize it as a legitimate treatment facility for children suffering
addictions or extended to those suffering behavioural problems. Not
all children at the AARC facility are there because of addictions.
Now, because this organization receives $300,000 in yearly grants
from the government, I would think that there would be greater
concern about the types of treatment that were offered, the fact that
it is not a residential treatment centre, the fact that it is not subject
to external inspection because of the overnight monitoring of
children in externally locked, barred bedrooms, where their door
monitor is another junior in a vulnerable position. It’s the fact that
the facility isn’t licensed..."
Even if parents did have the right to keep their children in a basement or an unlicensed treatment centre for years without court order, it's only fair that they get all of the facts, don't you think? Most parents are under the impression that everything at AARC, from the assessment criteria to the credentials of the staff, is valid and professional. If AARC was completely transparent, I guarantee you that only the most negligent and unconscionable parents would drop their kids off at this place. AARC's business is fixing bad kids. With their useless pieces of paper framed in their offices, they line up these kids in rows like an assembly line and take away their bad personalities, one by one. To AARC, whether a kid is depressed, angry, the victim of abuse, incest, or abusing drugs, the 12 Steps is a panacea that will cure them all. In the end, all of the graduates are the same - happy faces, completely lost inside. A.A. robots, terrified of not only the world, but of themselves. If they learn to adapt to their new personalities, they'll end up like you: loyal followers, devoted to keeping their 'family' intact at any cost. But if one day, they decide that they want out of the cult, it's not so easy to remember how to think, feel, or be normal. I understand that some of you like it in your little family, but not all of us wanted to join you. Vause and his staff had no right to detain us and no matter how many questions you dodge or complaints you dismiss, they are going to be held accountable.
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Even if parents did have the right to keep their children in a basement or an unlicensed treatment centre for years without court order, it's only fair that they get all of the facts, don't you think? Most parents are under the impression that everything at AARC, from the assessment criteria to the credentials of the staff, is valid and professional.
I don’t see any reason why parents should not believe that.
If AARC was completely transparent, I guarantee you that only the most negligent and unconscionable parents would drop their kids off at this place. AARC's business is fixing bad kids.
You should try dropping by and speaking with some of the people there, I think you would get a different impression.
With their useless pieces of paper framed in their offices
What is useless about them? And you want to add more pieces of paper by hanging up a copy of a license? Whats the point of that? Are all programs which are licensed considered okay to you?
, they line up these kids in rows like an assembly line and take away their bad personalities, one by one. To AARC, whether a kid is depressed, angry, the victim of abuse, incest, or abusing drugs, the 12 Steps is a panacea that will cure them all. In the end, all of the graduates are the same - happy faces, completely lost inside. A.A. robots, terrified of not only the world, but of themselves. If they learn to adapt to their new personalities, they'll end up like you: loyal followers, devoted to keeping their 'family' intact at any cost. But if one day, they decide that they want out of the cult, it's not so easy to remember how to think, feel, or be normal. I understand that some of you like it in your little family, but not all of us wanted to join you. Vause and his staff had no right to detain us and no matter how many questions you dodge or complaints you dismiss, they are going to be held accountable.
Everyone will be held accountable at some point in their lives. We read about very few people here taking accountability for their own lives and the choices they made that led them to be placed in a program. Accountability isn’t just reserved for other people besides yourself. Nearly every person placed in a program knew it was coming and could have avoided it by changing their behaviour. Dont try to blame others for your own mistakes.
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I don’t see any reason why parents should not believe that.
Then you haven't been paying attention or you're just plain ignoring facts.
You should try dropping by and speaking with some of the people there, I think you would get a different impression.
ROFLMAO. I'd be glad to interview some kids, with parents present, but not staff. Think that'd go over well with them?
Nearly every person placed in a program knew it was coming and could have avoided it by changing their behaviour. Dont try to blame others for your own mistakes.
Fuck. You.
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Institutional accreditation certifies that an institution has met minimum standards of quality. To practice as an independent clinical psychologist anywhere in the United States or Canada, you must be licensed. Each country has drafted their own guidelines for the accreditation of both higher education institutions and of degrees they issue, by listing all requirements that are to be met in order to be granted accreditation. Academic titles and qualifications awarded by a 'non-accredited' institution are not entitled for recognition, and are not worth the paper they are printed on. Accreditation means everything when it comes to education, and if you use a degree from a non accredited institution, you will, at the very least, be laughed at, or at the very worst, be held legally responsible and fined and/or charged.
Like any other cult, there are going to be people who find a sense of belonging and devotion with AARC. I have no interest in going to AARC to talk to newly graduated families about their opinions on the program, for several reasons:
- I, like many people who graduated from AARC, would have praised the program and staff for 'saving my life' shortly after graduating. Despite the negative impact AARC had on my life, I believed that AARC staff were god-like and all of my issues were due to my disease. I believe that the vast majority of graduates will feel differently about the program in 5-10 years (if they manage to separate themselves from it) so hearing people praise AARC just makes me shake my head.
- Despite the fact that I find it preposterous, I am open minded to the fact that some people may truly feel that being in AARC was a beneficial experience for them. That will never change how I feel about the program. I would never accept or condone a cult based on the fact that some people like being a part of it.
For example, I'm not about to run down to L.A. and rescue Tom Cruise from Scientology. He appears positively delighted to be a Scientologist, and if believing that his soul is a thetan that needs to get audited (or whatever they believe) makes him happy, who am I to say he's wrong? But if Scientologists started incarcerating teenagers, forcing them to endure brainwashing, emotional, physical and sexual abuse... then yes, I might run down to L.A. because I would have a problem with that. Holding up a few happy faced, zombie eyed teenagers who said that they were 'grateful' would mean nothing to me, just like AARC's glowing testimonials mean nothing to me.
I used to wonder what I did wrong, and why the program just didn't work for me. Now that it's clear that I'm not just some anomaly - that the program screws people up because the staff are untrained, unqualified, corrupt cult leaders, I can easily understand why the program did not work for me.
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I used to wonder what I did wrong, and why the program just didn't work for me. Now that it's clear that I'm not just some anomaly - that the program screws people up because the staff are untrained, unqualified, corrupt cult leaders, I can easily understand why the program did not work for me.
I completely understand....I used to think the same thing, that maybe it was me that was fucked up, and not the program. That is part of the problem---these guys are passing themselves off as some kind of experts in the field when actually they are polishing their shoes with shit and putting shinola on their gardens.
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i'm getting pretty sick of all the back and forward here: former clients bashing aarc, aarc staff and supporters defending aarc. lets do an exercise that might settle this.
btw. thes reason that vausse hasnt been arrested is because our criminal code hasn't yet evolved to protect youth against being tortured in residential treatment centers
after their lives have been signed away, but that is going to change one day.
imagine that dr. vausse is in court, under oath, in front of a supreme court judge.
the judge says, "dr. vausse, you are charged with operating a residential treatment center that abuses minors (the abuse in question is multi-faceted, i dont need to be specific because
we all know how the abuse plays out at aarc). this is a very serious matter. please explain yourself"
what is he going to say? he is guilty as sin. he will for the first time in a long time be confronted with someone with more power than himself and he cant lie. take away his authority
and his power to lie and he's nothing.
and dr. vausse:
"we-we-well your honor.... what we do to kids at aarc... its all done in the name of curing addiction. i'm a hero! sure i psycholically destroy minors and rebuild them in my own image so they
can advance the cult i lead and legitimize my radical and perverse beliefs on behavior modification, but i have an 85% success rate! we've always tried to keep things very secretive before.
look, the ends justify the means. ask my many supporters in the provincial government! i've just got that good old prarie work ethic :roflmao: "
then the judge would say:
"i'm sorry mr. vausse. the evidence is compelling. you are guilty of brainswashign minors, abusing minors, taking advantage of their families, raking in vast sums of money under false pretences,
and all the while you have worked as hard as you can to conceal your criminal behavior and have shown absolutely no remorse. i'm afraid my hands are tied. i order you to repay the province of
alberta 5 million dolars which is to be distributed amoungst your victims and their families and i sentence you to 10 years in a maximum security facility for dangerous offenders."
do you know what thats called? its called justice. and believe it or not people like dean vausse always get caught and do experience justice. what he has done has caught up with him.
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You watch too much television.
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Parents can place their children directly into AARC without going thru the court system.
So what was the point in creating this whole pchad business where a court order is required for 5 days of forced treatment?
If you can keep kids for extended periods in AARC against there will - what's the big deal about 5 days?
You would THINK a court order (significant tax dollars there) should be required in the more severe cases (AARC?).
Seems like a massive waste of money enforcing the pchad when people can just drag their kids to aarc without it.
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Nevermind the transparency behind her ridiculous ruse asking all these questions obviously trying to figure out who knows what. Here fishy fishy fishy...
I'll not have a battle of wits with someone who isn't armed. It's not fair.
:roflmao: :roflmao: :roflmao: you were talking of yourself . . . don't forget Brian, Colleen, Greg and Marnie . . . . NOw there are some seriously scary people . . incredibly dull and small minded but certainly amusing.