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Treatment Abuse, Behavior Modification, Thought Reform => Straight, Inc. and Derivatives => Topic started by: Anonymous on March 11, 2009, 10:35:10 AM
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That your boyfriend is a little bit bad for you.... he's probably bad for Rachel as well...
You know, he did after all convince you to tell a story that got you both sued... :rofl:
You know how I know when to stop hanging around someone? (hint: Probably when you're served with papers accusing you of libel/slander).. I hope he's got the money for a good lawyer I guess.. it would be a shame if he dumped you right now LOL
I find it funny that the 5th Estate episode didn't even grow legs. The place has been inundated with calls and emails of support from thousands of people across Canada.
Was this some sort of reverse-psychology-marketing ploy on your end? Is this crew a bunch of closet AARC supporters?
This day has come MUCH sooner than I ever thought it would, and I am delighted. I hope your mortgage is up to date (bankruptcy won't help you in this situation)
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(hint: Probably when you're served with papers accusing you of libel/slander).. I hope he's got the money for a good lawyer I guess..
Hey... If AARC wants it to blow up in their faces like it did for Benchmark... If I were a smart program director I would handle it outside of the courts. More deniability that way. You never know what comes out in a court case or what a judge/jury might decide. It's a lot of risk.
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"Was this some sort of reverse-psychology-marketing ploy on your end? Is this crew a bunch of closet AARC supporters?"
I think that's true. I understand that Ajax13 is Josh Penner.
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"Was this some sort of reverse-psychology-marketing ploy on your end? Is this crew a bunch of closet AARC supporters?"
I think that's true. I understand that Ajax13 is Josh Penner.
I thought it was Greg Elliot?
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"Was this some sort of reverse-psychology-marketing ploy on your end? Is this crew a bunch of closet AARC supporters?"
I think that's true. I understand that Ajax13 is Josh Penner.
I thought it was Greg Elliot?
Like as in Christine Lunns fiance Greg Elliot..
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You guys do understand that, in the real world, there are fact checkers, journalistic standards and network and news department level legal departments, right? Just cause you file suit doesn't mean you win, far less that you were right. Ask Jayne Longnecker.
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You guys do understand that, in the real world, there are fact checkers, journalistic standards and network and news department level legal departments, right? Just cause you file suit doesn't mean you win, far less that you were right. Ask Jayne Longnecker.
Are they really getting sued and CBC(?) theyve been pretty quite all of a sudden
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AARC is betting on having more intestinal fortitude for playing dirty and slinging slime, not to mention having deeper pockets, than the Defendants. This is an age old shutting-up or saving-face strategy.
Unfortunately for AARC, whether or not they are able to succeed in their intimidation tactics, the logistics of the numbers are not exactly in their favor (they are suing two young women, yes? Or is it three?). Regardless of whether you knew anything at all about the situation, to the average person, one "slanderer" might be believable, but two? Three? And then to delve deeper into the facts of what happened to these women there...whew!! Doesn't paint AARC in a very sympathetic light!
Even were AARC to prevail from a legal standpoint, due to a corrupt court system or due to some technicality that for the life of me I can't think of, the court of public opinion is not likely to let this go so easily. That latter judgment might ultimately prove to be fatal for them.
:poison: :eek: :poison:
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I haven't been served yet. It is of course a possibility that AARC has the intention of launching a suit against myself and the other women mentioned, but they haven't made the move yet. I haven't heard anything about it in RL.
I'll keep y'all posted.
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I haven't been served yet. It is of course a possibility that AARC has the intention of launching a suit against myself and the other women mentioned, but they haven't made the move yet. I haven't heard anything about it in RL.
I'll keep y'all posted.
I’m guessing leader and the faithful frothed out the possibility of suing the blasphemers, but leader nixes the idea as lawsuits uncover the truth which is bad for leader, leader's henchmen, and their bags of money.
So, he stokes the faithful with this notion of lawsuit but ultimately leader mewls something along the lines of: ‘well, freedom of speech statues being what they are, not much we can do.’
10$ I’m right.
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I haven't been served yet. It is of course a possibility that AARC has the intention of launching a suit against myself and the other women mentioned, but they haven't made the move yet. I haven't heard anything about it in RL.
I'll keep y'all posted.
I’m guessing leader and the faithful frothed out the possibility of suing the blasphemers, but leader nixes the idea as lawsuits uncover the truth which is bad for leader, leader's henchmen, and their bags of money.
So, he stokes the faithful with this notion of lawsuit but ultimately leader mewls something along the lines of: ‘well, freedom of speech statues being what they are, not much we can do.’
10$ I’m right.
Oh, I'd never bet ya on that one, lol. I think you'll probably turn out to be right on the money. It's called "saving face," "strategic posturing," what have you...
But it's a gamble for them. If AARC drags it out too long, the public will remember it longer as well. And it looks R-E-A-L-L-Y bad for an organization to sue rape and sexual assault survivors for talking out about their rape and sexual assault. It's despicable.
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Actually...
AARC is going to sue. Yes, they have been quiet --- for now. And by design. As soon as the police take statements and don't do anything about it (which is anticipated to be within the week), AARC will have the green light (and a clean bill of health from the CPS) to start filing lawsuits. They will sue Ajax (who is NOT Josh Penner) and the CBC for defamation. (Anyone else curious why they would anticipate an answer so soon? Apparently the CPS is anxious to close this case...)
Tricky thing is that in Alberta, the Defamation Act states they only have 3 months from the broadcast airing to file a suit so time is ticking... It's imperative that no one further comes forward.
Good thing they have lots of really influential people behind them like NHL stars, judges, politicians in at least 2 provinces, lawyers, corporate CEOs, etc. I'm sure they aren't worried about a suit since the judges that would hear the case have either donated money or have likely put a kid or two through the program and are 'ripe for the picking'.
The PCs of Alberta are also determined to hush the opposition and make any calls for investigation go away. The governing provincial party has a vested interest (reputation to uphold) in making sure these allegations are silenced, (a.k.a. swept under the rug) as many of them either have been through the program themselves or have invested a lot of money in AARC's success. Damned opposition anyways... To appease the masses and shut the opposition up, AARC has started a campaign to 'schmooze' (for lack of a better word) the opposition as well by inviting certain opposing MLAs for staged visits to the centre. They are closely monitoring all activities in the legislature as well and are employing their vast network of 'supporters' to act as spies and document/investigate any online activity against them.
99% (ish) of their staff are either graduates working as 'peer counsellors' or are parents who have gone through the program. The clinical staff are also ex-clients. Some of them have received or are are pursuing their degrees from Union Institute -- the same Cracker-Jack school that Vause got his 'degree' from. Others graduated from places like Loma Linda or other similarly non-accredited institutions.
I could go on, but I think you all get my point...
Just because they aren't vehemently denying these claims does not mean that the dragon is slain. He is merely regrouping.
These people have a lot to lose. They will fight back. But will they win? In defamation suits, the plaintiff has to first prove there is no merit to any allegations made. Beyond a reasonable doubt???
Hmmm.... I'm not so sure.
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How could gingerbreadman have been so prescient? While this particular tactic did not in fact appear within the week, it did by late Spring. After Alberta Health Minister Ron Leipert did nothing to address the array of allegations about the facility that taxpayers have dumped millions into since 1989, he assured the people of Alberta that Dean Vause would go to police to get to the bottom of the allegations about AARC.
CPS did mention that they were going to monitor the internet in furtherance of their dedication to protecting AARC from harm, so if you guys are reading this, I'd just like to say keep up the good work. With AARC's expansion, you'll have your hands full with a whole bunch of new Andy Evans, Andrew Mazurs, Marcel Landrys, Devon Newsons, Jon Nelsons, Mitch Tildens, Jason Woods's, Cody Bates's, and the rest of the AARColytes turned violent offenders.
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Who was the AARC graduate who beat his own mother with a baseball bat post graduation? ::poke::
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Why don't you tell us which AARC graduate beat up his mother with a bat post-graduation? The number of people who leave AARC and commit violent crimes is high, so you have to be specific. Tilden was doing time in Grande Cache with another AARColyte in '07, but I have not confirmed the fellow's identity. At least 1% of those who have gone into AARC are dead by their own hand. The suicide rate for Alberta males is somwhere between 35 and 40 per 100 000. It is at least 1000 per 100 000 for those leaving AARC.
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I wish Pathway Family Center would have sued me. We could have exposed them and gotten them closed down much quicker. They knew this and didn't sue.
I don't know what the laws are in Canada but in the good ole US and A AARC would have to prove that first: what this girl said was a lie and that she knew it was a lie. second: that she made these statements maliciously. and third: that her statements alone led to the loss of income due to donors or parents removing their financial support from AARC without any other influences factoring into that decision......to even have a case at all. I am leaving out some details but basically this seems more like legal harrassment (historically documented as a known cult tactic) or a desperate attempt to satisfy the AARC supporters who are asking Dean Vause "why don't you sue them". This happened at Pathway and Pathway put up a web-page explaining why they weren't suing.
Now Pathway is gone. But the impression given by Pathway for a long time was that they were doing just fine, never been better. No matter what becomes of this case, AARC's days are numbered. AARC may be somewhat powerful to a certain degree but there is always a bigger fish out there. One bigger fish is the internet, a place where people can communicate and expose what this place is really about.
Eventually AARC will be looked at through a microscope and then it will fall apart. Without knowing it, AARC is digging its own grave.
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wdtony says:
"I wish Pathway Family Center would have sued me. We could have exposed them and gotten them closed down much quicker. They knew this and didn't sue."
4 programs owned by the same entity being closed in less than a year is pretty damn quick in this industry.
:timeout: You say you wish they sued you but be thankful that thus far they haven't.
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So who was the AARC grad who beat his mother with a bat after graduating?
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So who was the AARC grad who beat his mother with a bat after graduating?
Devon Chester Newson
He suicided in jail after his conviction. Friend of Cody Bates and Jason woods.
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Newson's name was already included in the prior list.