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Title: FOX Crying about PFC
Post by: Anonymous on February 20, 2009, 09:44:22 AM
http://www.myfoxdetroit.com/dpp/news/lo ... expectedly (http://www.myfoxdetroit.com/dpp/news/local/Teen_Addiction_Program_Shut_Unexpectedly)



Teen Addiction Center
Closes

Last Edited: Thursday, 19 Feb 2009, 8:25 PM EST
Created On: Thursday, 19 Feb 2009, 4:54 PM EST

    * Robin Schwartz

SOUTHFIELD, Mich. - Money problems have forced the former Pathway Family Center in Southfield to close its doors.

"I was getting high and getting drunk every day. That's basically all I did ... I got arrested, and I went to jail ... I was basically dropped out of high school. I didn't care about myself. I didn't care about my family or my future," said Samantha.

The 19-year-old girl was one of the lost teenagers who found herself at Pathway. Her life was spiraling out of control from a cocaine and alcohol addiction. Another teen, who wishes to remain anonymous, was headed in the same direction. "I considered myself an alcoholic and a drug addict, and i'm 18 years old," he said.

These kids and their families say the program, which has been running for 16 years, was a godsend, but now the non-profit center has closed its doors. A company spokesperson said mounting financial problems and Michigan's tough economy left them with no choice.

The center's vice president of marketing told FOX 2 News that 20 staff members lost their jobs and some of the 30 patients were transferred out of state to another facility in Indiana. This was the only long-term treatment center for teens in Michigan, and the families say the community needs this program.

"I don't see an end in sight for teens experimenting with drugs. I think that it's everywhere in every school system and across the board," said one parent.

That's why a group of parents and staff members have been meeting independently to try and continue the lifesaving work that dramatically changed young lives. However, it all comes down to money. They estimate about $250,000 will need to be raised and have no idea who will provide that funding.

For more information or to make a donation, contact Changes Recovery Center at (248) 552-8111
Title: Re: FOX Crying about PFC
Post by: Anonymous on February 20, 2009, 09:57:59 AM
OOOOOOHHHHHHHHH NOOOOOOOOOOOOO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! :waaaa:  :waaaa:  :waaaa:  :waaaa:  :waaaa:  :waaaa:  :waaaa:  :waaaa:  :waaaa:


NOT PFC!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!  :waaaa:  :waaaa:  :waaaa:  :waaaa:  :waaaa:  :waaaa:


WHY :waaaa:  :waaaa:  :waaaa:  PFC??? WHYYYYYYYYYYY!!!!!!!?  :waaaa:  :waaaa: WHY!!!!!!!!!??????  :waaaa:  :waaaa:  :waaaa:  :waaaa:  :waaaa:  :waaaa:


Aw jeez, break my legs and buy me a bicycle already!!!  :roflmao:  :roflmao:  :roflmao:  :roflmao:
Title: Re: FOX Crying about PFC
Post by: psy on February 20, 2009, 11:00:29 AM
Quote from: "Froddy's Dingleberry"
That's why a group of parents and staff members have been meeting independently to try and continue the lifesaving work that dramatically changed young lives. However, it all comes down to money. They estimate about $250,000 will need to be raised and have no idea who will provide that funding.

For more information or to make a donation, contact Changes Recovery Center at (248) 552-8111

Great!  Yet another clone!
Title: Re: FOX Crying about PFC
Post by: Ursus on February 20, 2009, 11:01:36 AM
Quote
That's why a group of parents and staff members have been meeting independently to try and continue the lifesaving work that dramatically changed young lives. However, it all comes down to money. They estimate about $250,000 will need to be raised and have no idea who will provide that funding.

For more information or to make a donation, contact Changes Recovery Center at (248) 552-8111

• I found at least two "Changes Recovery Center" online. The most likely candidate, which has just opened shop, is: http://www.changesrecoverycenter.org/ (http://www.changesrecoverycenter.org/) The Home page header reads: "Changes: A therapeutic community rebuilding dreams for teens."

• A Notice of Intent was published about a week ago:
Quote
Notice of Intent
Changes Recovery Center, 6892 West Maple Rd., West Bloomfield, MI. 48322, has applied for a substance abuse license through the Michigan Dept. of Community Health, substance abuse licensing section. The license will allow us to provide outpatient substance abuse services. Comments should be directed to Friendship Circle, 6892 West Maple Rd., West Bloomfield MI 48322.
Publish: February 12, 2009
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• Domain registration info (http://http://www.networksolutions.com/whois-search/changesrecoverycenter.org) for Changes Recovery Center from Network Solutions:
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Domain Name:CHANGESRECOVERYCENTER.ORG
Created On:30-Jan-2009 13:17:42 UTC
Expiration Date:30-Jan-2010 13:17:42 UTC
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Status:TRANSFER PROHIBITED
Registrant ID:ARL59
Registrant Name:Gregory Brewer
Registrant Organization:Vowire LLC
Registrant Street1:5922 Felske Dr
Registrant Street2:
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Registrant City:Brighton
Registrant State/Province:MI
Registrant Postal Code:48116
Registrant Country:US
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Title: Re: FOX Crying about PFC
Post by: Ursus on February 20, 2009, 11:25:26 AM
To reduce any potential confusion further on down the road, here are the other two "Changes Recovery Center" that I found:

1.) A seemingly mainstream non-profit in Georgia (http://http://www.taxexemptworld.com/organization.asp?tn=469904), apparently focused on assisting teenage girls.2.) A "credit cleaning" company based in California, but with offices in Michigan, according to a lawsuit (http://http://www.millerlawpc.com/opinions/opinion_04.htm) I found. Judging by the number of times this company changed names, I kinda doubt that they will be a source for any confusion (probably no longer known by that name as I write this). Somehow, even through acquisition of this company by "other" companies, one salient feature remained the same: 100% ownership by a Ute Goldkuhl. See ALSO (http://http://www.websupp.com/data/EDMI/2:04-cv-70711-98-EDMI.pdf).
Title: Re: FOX Crying about PFC
Post by: Anne Bonney on February 20, 2009, 11:40:49 AM
Quote from: "Ursus"

• A Notice of Intent was published about a week ago:
Quote
Notice of Intent
Changes Recovery Center, 6892 West Maple Rd., West Bloomfield, MI. 48322, has applied for a substance abuse license through the Michigan Dept. of Community Health, substance abuse licensing section. The license will allow us to provide outpatient substance abuse services. Comments should be directed to Friendship Circle, 6892 West Maple Rd., West Bloomfield MI 48322.
Publish: February 12, 2009


I wonder how that OUTpatient part will hold up.
Title: Re: FOX Crying about PFC
Post by: Anonymous on February 20, 2009, 12:08:20 PM
Changes
David Bowie

I still don't know what I was waiting for
And my time was running wild
A million dead-end streets
Every time I thought I'd got it made
It seemed the taste was not so sweet
So I turned myself to face me
But I've never caught a glimpse
Of how the others must see the faker
I'm much too fast to take that test

Ch-ch-ch-ch-Changes
(Turn and face the strain)
Ch-ch-Changes
Don't want to be a richer man
Ch-ch-ch-ch-Changes
(Turn and face the strain)
Ch-ch-Changes
Just gonna have to be a different man
Time may change me
But I can't trace time

I watch the ripples change their size
But never leave the stream
Of warm impermanence and
So the days float through my eyes
But still the days seem the same
And these children that you spit on
As they try to change their worlds
Are immune to your consultations
They're quite aware of what they're going through

Ch-ch-ch-ch-Changes
(Turn and face the strain)
Ch-ch-Changes
Don't tell t hem to grow up and out of it
Ch-ch-ch-ch-Changes
(Turn and face the strain)
Ch-ch-Changes
Where's your shame
You've left us up to our necks in it
Time may change me
But you can't trace time

Strange fascination, fascinating me
Changes are taking the pace I'm going through

Ch-ch-ch-ch-Changes
(Turn and face the strain)
Ch-ch-Changes
Oh, look out you rock 'n rollers
Ch-ch-ch-ch-Changes
(Turn and face the strain)
Ch-ch-Changes
Pretty soon you're gonna get a little older
Time may change me
But I can't trace time
I said that time may change me
But I can't trace time
Title: Re: FOX Crying about PFC
Post by: Anne Bonney on February 20, 2009, 12:12:15 PM
I've always loved that song.  Especially the highlighted line below.....



Quote from: "Changeling"
Changes
David Bowie

I still don't know what I was waiting for
And my time was running wild
A million dead-end streets
Every time I thought I'd got it made
It seemed the taste was not so sweet
So I turned myself to face me
But I've never caught a glimpse
Of how the others must see the faker
I'm much too fast to take that test

Ch-ch-ch-ch-Changes
(Turn and face the strain)
Ch-ch-Changes
Don't want to be a richer man
Ch-ch-ch-ch-Changes
(Turn and face the strain)
Ch-ch-Changes
Just gonna have to be a different man
Time may change me
But I can't trace time

I watch the ripples change their size
But never leave the stream
Of warm impermanence and
So the days float through my eyes
But still the days seem the same
And these children that you spit on
As they try to change their worlds
Are immune to your consultations
They're quite aware of what they're going through


Ch-ch-ch-ch-Changes
(Turn and face the strain)
Ch-ch-Changes
Don't tell t hem to grow up and out of it
Ch-ch-ch-ch-Changes
(Turn and face the strain)
Ch-ch-Changes
Where's your shame
You've left us up to our necks in it
Time may change me
But you can't trace time

Strange fascination, fascinating me
Changes are taking the pace I'm going through

Ch-ch-ch-ch-Changes
(Turn and face the strain)
Ch-ch-Changes
Oh, look out you rock 'n rollers
Ch-ch-ch-ch-Changes
(Turn and face the strain)
Ch-ch-Changes
Pretty soon you're gonna get a little older
Time may change me
But I can't trace time
I said that time may change me
But I can't trace time
Title: Re: FOX Crying about PFC
Post by: psy on February 20, 2009, 12:20:41 PM
Quote from: "Anne Bonney"
I wonder how that OUTpatient part will hold up.
They mean host homes.  AARC, for example tries to claim it's outpatient as did it's predecessor, Kids.
Title: Re: FOX Crying about PFC
Post by: Ursus on February 20, 2009, 12:25:56 PM
Quote
Domain Name:CHANGESRECOVERYCENTER.ORG
Created On:30-Jan-2009 13:17:42 UTC

Fwiw, the website was created ?1 week after PFC-Southfield, MI allegedly closed (some discrepancy as to the actual date), and 1 day after THIS (http://http://www.fornits.com/phpbb/viewtopic.php?f=7&t=26706&p=324771#p324771) article appeared. Notice of Intent for Changes Recovery Center was published just 13 days after the website was created.

Looks like someone knew what was coming for some time before everyone else did.
Title: Re: FOX Crying about PFC
Post by: Anne Bonney on February 20, 2009, 12:29:02 PM
Quote from: "psy"
Quote from: "Anne Bonney"
I wonder how that OUTpatient part will hold up.
They mean host homes.  AARC, for example tries to claim it's outpatient as did it's predecessor, Kids.


Yep.  'Zactly what I'm talkin' 'bout.
Title: Re: FOX Crying about PFC
Post by: Anonymous on February 20, 2009, 12:30:57 PM
Jeffrey Spilman is the name on the incorporation papers, so is he the same dude that does all that entertainment shit up there? He's on a youtube video with Clint Eastwood.

VERIFY PLEASE VERIFY PLEASE... LOL
Title: Re: FOX Crying about PFC
Post by: psy on February 20, 2009, 12:44:55 PM
Quote from: "Ursus"
Looks like someone knew what was coming for some time before everyone else did.
Which implies this new place wasn't really the parent's idea.
Title: Jeffrey Spilman
Post by: Ursus on February 20, 2009, 01:05:21 PM
Quote from: "Changeling"
Jeffrey Spilman is the name on the incorporation papers, so is he the same dude that does all that entertainment shit up there? He's on a youtube video with Clint Eastwood.

VERIFY PLEASE VERIFY PLEASE... LOL

My guess is that they are one and the same. There is a Jeffrey Spilman who is an entertainment lawyer in Michigan/California, and who also majored in theater while in college (UMich):

Jeffrey Spilman’s Experience

• Managing Partner
S3 Entertainment Group

(Entertainment industry)
Currently holds this position

• Partner
The Spilman Firm, PLLC

(Law Practice industry)
November 2001 — Present (7 years 4 months)

Entertainment Law Firm with emphasis on the film industry. Offices in Troy, Michigan and Los Angeles, California.


Jeffrey Spilman’s Education

• Loyola Law School, Loyola Marymount University
Juris Doctor, Law, 1981 — 1984
Activities and Societies: Entertainment Law Journal

• University of Michigan
BA, Political Science/Theater, 1977 — 1980[/list]

http://www.linkedin.com/pub/dir/jeffrey/spilman (http://www.linkedin.com/pub/dir/jeffrey/spilman)
Title: Re: FOX Crying about PFC
Post by: Anonymous on February 20, 2009, 01:54:26 PM
Hmm, very good Ursus.  

According to an "official" source, this LEVEL THREE and above activity at the PFC MI facility would still be a licensed activity since, at this particular moment in time, it is considered to be the "outpatient" portion of the program and the PFC license and program closure paperwork has not yet been received by MCDH. Therefore any more LEVEL TWO or LEVEL ONE's either went to Indy or left the program. PFC is essentially running on 3 cylinders instead of 5, or at least trying to. But how can you start someone at LEVEL THREE in a STRAIGHT INC based modality? This will be very interesting to see.

Why does PFC claim to have closed, like in the news reports and told MCDH that they were closing, but then act in this manner? Something is not adding up at all. The in house teacher there PFC, Tom Gratch, was apparently not certified as such and apparently some credits don't count somehow in the school system outside of PFC. HMMM!!!
Title: Re: FOX Crying about PFC
Post by: Anonymous on February 20, 2009, 04:03:53 PM
That incorporation status is also pending, btw, just in case people wanted to know. And, MCDH seems to not have a record of an application by this entity. Or, at least unless the right hand doesn't know what the left hand is doing at MCDH, that is, nobody has "applied for licensing", blah blah blah... Besides, the announcement reads substance abuse license. Does that mean they will be licensed to abuse substances?  :rofl:
Title: Re: FOX Crying about PFC
Post by: Anonymous on February 20, 2009, 04:10:54 PM
The IRS site says, after searching for changes recovery center:

Search for Charities, Online Version of Publication 78 Search Results
There were no exempt organizations found matching the search values you entered. Please refine your search and try again.

Note: Additional resources and information are available on the Publication 78 Help Page. See Search Tips for help in reformulating your search request.
Title: Re: FOX Crying about PFC
Post by: psy on February 20, 2009, 04:26:13 PM
So is this going to be like the final days of kids when parents tried to recreate the program in their own homes...  or what's going on. Has anybody gotten through to "Changes Recovery Center" yet to ask those questions?
Title: Re: FOX Crying about PFC
Post by: Anonymous on February 20, 2009, 04:50:40 PM
Quote from: "Changeling"
Hmm, very good Ursus.  

According to an "official" source, this LEVEL THREE and above activity at the PFC MI facility would still be a licensed activity since, at this particular moment in time, it is considered to be the "outpatient" portion of the program and the PFC license and program closure paperwork has not yet been received by MCDH. Therefore any more LEVEL TWO or LEVEL ONE's either went to Indy or left the program. PFC is essentially running on 3 cylinders instead of 5, or at least trying to. But how can you start someone at LEVEL THREE in a STRAIGHT INC based modality? This will be very interesting to see.

Why does PFC claim to have closed, like in the news reports and told MCDH that they were closing, but then act in this manner? Something is not adding up at all. The in house teacher there PFC, Tom Gratch, was apparently not certified as such and apparently some credits don't count somehow in the school system outside of PFC. HMMM!!!

They will probably do what they did when PFC and KHK merged, have kids start out at one facility that is licensed for all levels (one and two).  Then have them transferred to another facility (levels three, four, five).  This way kids can get good and brainwashed in-house so when they transfer to the other facility for upper phases, they can all keep each other in line.  They shuttled kids back and forth with the facilities closing, I am sure they can continue it to make the model work.  

Quote from: "Anne Bonney"
Quote from: "psy"
Quote from: "Anne Bonney"
I wonder how that OUTpatient part will hold up.
They mean host homes.  AARC, for example tries to claim it's outpatient as did it's predecessor, Kids.


Yep.  'Zactly what I'm talkin' 'bout.


KHK was supposedly "outpatient" also because of host homes.  That part of the model did not change with PFC.  So I guess following that logic, the MI facility could keep up all operations, level one through five and still be considered "outpatient."  Just a thought.
Title: Re: FOX Crying about PFC
Post by: wdtony on February 21, 2009, 02:34:30 AM
Registrant mentioned on the "Changes" website registration:

http://www.linkedin.com/pub/0/297/4a6 (http://www.linkedin.com/pub/0/297/4a6)

And website:

http://www.vowire.com/ (http://www.vowire.com/)

And then I ran across these: Nothing lifts the spirits like a couple death notice memorials suggesting giving money to Pathway:

BARRETT
 In lieu of flowers family suggests Memorials
to Pathway Family Center, 23100 Providence Dr., Southfield,
Michigan 48075 or Gesu Church.

http://freepages.history.rootsweb.ances ... 2-2003.txt (http://freepages.history.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~steinie/detroit-deaths/2003/death_notices_02-2003.txt)

MILLER
Memorial contributions to the "Maureen Miller Scholarship for
Children with Substance Abuse Challenges", The Pathway Family Center, 23100
Providence Dr., Suite 300, Southfield, MI 48075.

http://74.125.47.132/search?q=cache:QU4 ... cd=5&gl=us (http://74.125.47.132/search?q=cache:QU4Xl_SzUiAJ:freepages.history.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~steinie/detroit-deaths/2000/death_notices_11-2000.txt+Brewer,+%22Pathway+family+Center%22+Michigan&hl=en&ct=clnk&cd=5&gl=us)
Title: Re: FOX Crying about PFC
Post by: Anonymous on February 21, 2009, 02:50:16 AM
Quote from: "wdtony"
Registrant mentioned on the "Changes" website registration:

http://www.linkedin.com/pub/0/297/4a6 (http://www.linkedin.com/pub/0/297/4a6)

And website:

http://www.vowire.com/ (http://www.vowire.com/)

And then I ran across these: Nothing lifts the spirits like a couple death notice memorials suggesting giving money to Pathway:

BARRETT
 In lieu of flowers family suggests Memorials
to Pathway Family Center, 23100 Providence Dr., Southfield,
Michigan 48075 or Gesu Church.

http://freepages.history.rootsweb.ances ... 2-2003.txt (http://freepages.history.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~steinie/detroit-deaths/2003/death_notices_02-2003.txt)

MILLER
Memorial contributions to the "Maureen Miller Scholarship for
Children with Substance Abuse Challenges", The Pathway Family Center, 23100
Providence Dr., Suite 300, Southfield, MI 48075.

http://74.125.47.132/search?q=cache:QU4 ... cd=5&gl=us (http://74.125.47.132/search?q=cache:QU4Xl_SzUiAJ:freepages.history.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~steinie/detroit-deaths/2000/death_notices_11-2000.txt+Brewer,+%22Pathway+family+Center%22+Michigan&hl=en&ct=clnk&cd=5&gl=us)


So are these two suicides or od.s and were they former pathway prisoners?
Title: Re: FOX Crying about PFC
Post by: wdtony on February 21, 2009, 02:54:13 AM
No, just older people who died and believed in PFC.
Title: Re: FOX Crying about PFC
Post by: Ursus on February 21, 2009, 03:00:47 AM
Interesting that both Greg Brewer and Jeffrey Spilman went to the University of Michigan. Big place, may not mean anything; just thought I'd mention it. Incidentally, Jeffrey Spilman used to live in Indianapolis, IN at some point in the recent traceable past. @Changling: Just how exactly did his presence figure in the Changes Recovery Center incorporation papers?

Greg Brewer has the following contact info on his Vowire site (http://http://www.vowire.com/):

Address
     
5922 Felske Dr
Brighton, MI 48116
           
24100 Southfield Rd, Suite 320
Southfield, MI 48075

Phone    (810) 229-2400         
Fax    (810) 229-7791[/list]

Hmm. Weren't those the exact same phone and fax numbers (http://http://www.fornits.com/phpbb/viewtopic.php?f=7&t=27021#p326569) listed for Changes Recovery Center's domain registration info? Why is Vowire operating as a contact front for CRC?
Title: Re: FOX Crying about PFC
Post by: Ursus on February 21, 2009, 03:21:10 AM
Never mind... Went back and checked more carefully. Vowire is the hoster:

Quote
Registrant Organization:Vowire LLC
Registrant Street1:5922 Felske Dr
Registrant Street2:
Registrant Street3:
Registrant City:Brighton
Registrant State/Province:MI
Registrant Postal Code:48116
Title: Re: FOX Crying about PFC
Post by: Anonymous on February 21, 2009, 06:16:54 AM
I had the same mix-up. Do you think it might help to let Vowire know what kind of an organization they are hosting? I mean seriously, not to call them and give them a hard time about it, but send them a letter, a bunch of papers that show the history of Straight closing down and reopening, survivor stories, a copy of the petition, maybe the apology by Richard Mullinax. Ask them to please not help these people anymore. It's just a thought.
Title: Re: FOX Crying about PFC
Post by: psy on February 21, 2009, 06:29:57 AM
Quote from: "What about the site host"
I had the same mix-up. Do you think it might help to let Vowire know what kind of an organization they are hosting? I mean seriously, not to call them and give them a hard time about it, but send them a letter, a bunch of papers that show the history of Straight closing down and reopening, survivor stories, a copy of the petition, maybe the apology by Richard Mullinax. Ask them to please not help these people anymore. It's just a thought.
No that will not do any good, nor should it.  Denying them free speech is not the answer.  IF we complain about them trying to shut Fornits down time and time again we shouldn't be doing the same thing.

What interests me is that the site was registered with privacy enabled...  so nobody really knows at this point who is owning that place, if in fact it is open.
Title: Re: FOX Crying about PFC
Post by: Anonymous on February 21, 2009, 07:07:22 AM
Quote from: "psy"
Quote from: "What about the site host"
I had the same mix-up. Do you think it might help to let Vowire know what kind of an organization they are hosting? I mean seriously, not to call them and give them a hard time about it, but send them a letter, a bunch of papers that show the history of Straight closing down and reopening, survivor stories, a copy of the petition, maybe the apology by Richard Mullinax. Ask them to please not help these people anymore. It's just a thought.
No that will not do any good, nor should it.  Denying them free speech is not the answer.  IF we complain about them trying to shut Fornits down time and time again we shouldn't be doing the same thing.

What interests me is that the site was registered with privacy enabled...  so nobody really knows at this point who is owning that place, if in fact it is open.

You do not know that it will not do any good.

It is not denying Straight free speech, it is denying Straight the means to run a child abuse business. If there were a child abuse cult in my community, and someone else in my community was hosting their website, surely people would want the website hoster to know what was going on and ask them to stop providing that service for child abusers. Anyone who was leasing the child abuse cult the space in which to abuse children should also know or be informed about it. If I had a printing business and Straight Incorporated walked in and wanted brochures and stuff, I would tell them to take a hike.
Title: Re: FOX Crying about PFC
Post by: psy on February 21, 2009, 07:17:52 AM
Quote from: "What?"
If I had a printing business and Straight Incorporated walked in and wanted brochures and stuff, I would tell them to take a hike.

You would?  I would probably take the time to "accidentally" replace a few digits in their phone numbers... lol.  I'd jerk them around until they *went* somewhere else... lol.  It's a good thing I don't own a printing business.

All i'm saying is it's a big hypocritical is all...  Being on the receiving end of such website antics far too many times.  Plus...  what exactly would you tell them?  It's a "new" treatment facility, right?
Title: Re: FOX Crying about PFC
Post by: Anonymous on February 21, 2009, 07:30:13 AM
Quote from: "What?"
Quote from: "psy"
Quote from: "What about the site host"
I had the same mix-up. Do you think it might help to let Vowire know what kind of an organization they are hosting? I mean seriously, not to call them and give them a hard time about it, but send them a letter, a bunch of papers that show the history of Straight closing down and reopening, survivor stories, a copy of the petition, maybe the apology by Richard Mullinax. Ask them to please not help these people anymore. It's just a thought.
No that will not do any good, nor should it.  Denying them free speech is not the answer.  IF we complain about them trying to shut Fornits down time and time again we shouldn't be doing the same thing.

What interests me is that the site was registered with privacy enabled...  so nobody really knows at this point who is owning that place, if in fact it is open.

You do not know that it will not do any good.

It is not denying Straight free speech, it is denying Straight the means to run a child abuse business. If there were a child abuse cult in my community, and someone else in my community was hosting their website, surely people would want the website hoster to know what was going on and ask them to stop providing that service for child abusers. Anyone who was leasing the child abuse cult the space in which to abuse children should also know or be informed about it. If I had a printing business and Straight Incorporated walked in and wanted brochures and stuff, I would tell them to take a hike.

 exposing kid killers   and stopping abuse is not screwing free speech. Is shutting down child porn site ruining free speech? Nope. GO for it. I find injecting "free speech" concerns into this concern offensive.
Title: Re: FOX Crying about PFC
Post by: Anonymous on February 21, 2009, 09:54:42 AM
Yeah, we picketed the Vegas in Otown fundraiser because they sponsored SAFE inc. back in 2003. The next year, SAFE was not welcome there, and well, the next year, they closed,  :roflmao:

I see no problem exposing these people to whoever is aiding their ability to generate and maintain a client base.


It would be best, however, to 100% confirm all the details about this new program though prior to dropping the info on the site folks, but whatever, whenever, could be quite effective.

So far, it's CRC, it's a MI non-profit pending corporation that has yet to file any formal substance abuse licensing paperwork with MDCH. Anything else? Where is this being operated? At the PFC MI site? Level 3 and above? They surely have yet to be recognized by the IRS as a non-profit.
Title: Re: FOX Crying about PFC
Post by: Ursus on February 21, 2009, 10:42:11 AM
Quote
That's why a group of parents and staff members have been meeting independently to try and continue the lifesaving work that dramatically changed young lives. However, it all comes down to money. They estimate about $250,000 will need to be raised and have no idea who will provide that funding.

For more information or to make a donation, contact Changes Recovery Center at (248) 552-8111

http://www.myfoxdetroit.com/dpp/news/lo ... expectedly (http://www.myfoxdetroit.com/dpp/news/local/Teen_Addiction_Program_Shut_Unexpectedly)

The contact phone number for Changes Recovery Center also seems to be the phone number for a restaurant called Globe International Cuisine:

Globe International Cuisine
16400 J L Hudson Dr
Southfield, MI 48075-4875
(248) 552-8111

http://www.whrrl.com/entity/3876118/Glo ... al_Cuisine (http://www.whrrl.com/entity/3876118/Globe_International_Cuisine)[/list]

The location, judging from the map depicted on the above link, is just off of the Northwestern Highway aka the John C Lodge Freeway aka Route 10 in Southfield.
Title: Re: FOX Crying about PFC
Post by: Anonymous on February 21, 2009, 11:51:49 AM
Ursus:  

  Searched for: CHANGES RECOVERY CENTER INC.

ID Num: 70555P
        

Entity Name: CHANGES RECOVERY CENTER INC.
Type of Entity: Domestic Nonprofit Corporation

Resident Agent: JEFFREY D SPILMAN
Registered Office Address: 1100 WOODWARD HEIGHTS  FERNDALE   MI  48220

Mailing Address:   MI

Formed Under Act Number(s): 162-1982          

Incorporation/Qualification Date: 2-2-2009

Jurisdiction of Origin: MICHIGAN

Number of Shares: 0

Year of Most Recent Annual Report:

Year of Most Recent Annual Report With Officers & Directors:
Status: ACTIVE   Date: Present



http://www.dleg.state.mi.us/bcs_corp/im ... ME=D200902 (http://www.dleg.state.mi.us/bcs_corp/image.asp?FILE_TYPE=ELF&FILE_NAME=D200902)2009033E0134811.TIF
Title: Re: FOX Crying about PFC
Post by: Ursus on February 21, 2009, 01:22:19 PM
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Resident Agent: JEFFREY D SPILMAN
Registered Office Address: 1100 WOODWARD HEIGHTS FERNDALE MI 48220

This is definitively the same Jeffrey Spilman whose Linkedin profile I posted earlier (http://http://www.fornits.com/phpbb/viewtopic.php?f=7&t=27021&start=0#p326583) in this thread.

From PeopleFinders business search (http://http://www.peoplefinders.com/search/searchpreview.aspx?) of his law firm:

The Spilman Firm, PLLC
Detroit, MI

SPILMAN, JEFFREYD
(RESIDENT AGENT)

Associated Businesses:
TRIPLE S HOLDINGS, INC
ULTRA-CAST, INC
ALUMINUM RECOVERY TECHNOLOGIES, INC
MAC GROUP INTERNATIONAL INCORPORATED
SPECTROGRAPHIC TESTING LABORATORY, INC
METROKOTE, INC
HEGEDUS ALUMINUM INDUSTRIES, INC
INTERIM MGJ HOLDINGS, INC
ULTRA-CAST, INC
FLYING RAPTORS, INC
TRIPLE S HOLDINGS, INC
G & M LEASING, INC
METROPOLITAN ALLOYS CORPORATION
MAC CASTINGS, INCORPORATED[/list]

Note the similarity in names of the "Triple S Holdings, Inc." noted above with the entertainment industry company noted on his Linkedin profile: S3 Entertainment Group. This latter company did not come up on the above search. I have also come across other companies on the internet, that Jeffrey Spilman has either formed or is involved in, which are not listed above. Clearly, the man is quite facile in the business of creating companies.
Title: Re: FOX Crying about PFC
Post by: Ursus on February 21, 2009, 02:01:44 PM
Incidentally, according to PeopleFinders (not an infallible source, but pretty good), the five Jeffrey Spilman (http://http://www.peoplefinders.com/search/searchpreview.aspx?)'s listed in the state of Michigan would appear to all be the same person:

1. SPILMAN, JEFFREY ?
2. SPILMAN, JEFFREY D  (Age 50)
Possible Employment / Business Associations:
ULTRA-CAST INC
ALUMINUM RECOVERY TECHNOLOGIES, INC
FLYING RAPTORS, INC
FORUM PARTNERS LLC
HEGEDUS ALUMINUM INDUSTRIES, INC
INTERIM MGJ HOLDINGS, INC

Possible Relatives:
SPILMAN, GILBERT MELVIN  (Age 64)
SPILMAN, BERTHA B (Age 98)
SPILMAN, FRANCES (Age 61)
SPILMAN, OLGA TRUST (Age 108)
SPILMAN, MURRAY BERTRAND (Age 74)
SPILMAN, JEFFRY DAVID (Age 49)
SPILMAN, GERALDINE ROBERTA (Age 73)
HAJEKSPILMAN, OLGA (Age 50)
SPILMAN, EMIL (Age 102) [/list]
3. SPILMAN, JEFFRY DAVID  (Age 49)
Possible Employment / Business Associations:
MGJ HOLDINGS, INC

Possible Relatives:
SPILMAN, JESSICA
SPILMAN, GILBERT MELVIN (Age 64)
SPILMAN, GERALDINE ROBERTA (Age 73)
SPILMAN, JEFFREY D (Age 50)
SPILMAN, AMY
SPILMAN, FRANCES (Age 61)
SPILMAN, BERTHA B (Age 98)
HAJEKSPILMAN, OLGA (Age 50)
SPILMAN, OLGA H[/list]
4. SPILMAN, JEFFREY (Age 50)
5. SPILMAN, JEFFREY D
Possible Employment / Business Associations:
MGJ GROUP, INC

Possible Relatives:
SPILMAN, GILBERT MELVIN  (Age 64)
SPILMAN, BARRY DANIEL (Age 30)
SPILMAN, FRANCES (Age 61)
SPILMAN, JILL ROSE (Age 35)
SPILMAN, MURRAY BERTRAND (Age 74)
SPILMAN, AMY MICHELLE (Age 39)
SPILMAN, GIL M[/list]
Title: Re: FOX Crying about PFC
Post by: Anonymous on February 22, 2009, 06:25:15 PM
Hmm, is this dude a PFC parent or some sort of employee there? Or, "was" he? And, how does the Spilman figure into this?
 Who gets the check for treatment in their host homes? Are these host homes zoned as treatment centers?

http://www.linkedin.com/pub/0/297/4a6 (http://www.linkedin.com/pub/0/297/4a6)


Hey Brewer, wazzzup!!!!!!!!?????
Title: Re: FOX Crying about PFC
Post by: Anonymous on February 23, 2009, 12:40:55 AM
I've always wondered what are "caring confrontation" and 'gay/lesbian' in the contexts of this web page:

http://www.addictionresourceguide.com/l ... thway.html (http://www.addictionresourceguide.com/listings/pathway.html)


oh yeah, and the 75% of clients on psychiatric meds, whew! How can that be safe?
Title: Re: FOX Crying about PFC
Post by: Anonymous on February 23, 2009, 12:39:14 PM
Well a'right, Doc Fox, sign me up!


Facility has special track for:
Anger Management/Conflict Resolution
...


Facility has group sessions for:
Abuse/PTSD/Trauma
...
Grief & Loss
...
Nicotine Cessation
...
...Life Skills
Title: Re: FOX Crying about PFC
Post by: wdtony on February 24, 2009, 03:52:22 AM
YouTube:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LSUIAZPifMM (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LSUIAZPifMM)

I can't find the story online anywhere. Can anyone else find it?
Title: Re: FOX Crying about PFC
Post by: Anonymous on February 24, 2009, 09:46:10 AM
It already served its purpose and is forever immortalized at WDTONY's YouTube site... what more could we ask for?  :roflmao:  :roflmao:  At least YouTube has a comment section...