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Treatment Abuse, Behavior Modification, Thought Reform => The Troubled Teen Industry => Topic started by: Anonymous on August 06, 2003, 04:06:00 PM
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http://www.purerebuttal.com/ (http://www.purerebuttal.com/)
I agree that Carey has had some issues lately, but after reading the court documents WWASP vs. PURE, she may not be entirely off the planet in what she is saying. I'm listening.
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There have been 6345 students enrolled in a wwasp program since 1999. There have been no deaths, beatings, abuse cases proven. They had a school in Samoa that closed - their choice, no abuse was ever proven despite a 48 hours inquiry in 1999. They closed over a year after that show ran. Why they had a program in the Czech Republic is beyond me, but knowing the government over there, they were wise to have already started the closure prior to the invasion by the local government. It is common knowledge that Dundee Ranch was closed temporarily after a local official burst in telling the kids they didn't have to stay, the damage was uncontrollable as staff were forbidden to intervene. Yes, I'm defending wwasp. I am living proof that it works. I'm glad to see that the whole fiasco on this web site is being exposed for what it really is.
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How many legitimate, high quality programs to treat kids have one facility closed after an investigation? Perhaps, extremely rarely, you get one that has a bad apple and doesn't deal with it properly and it gets shut.
How many have two? OK, odds are low, but you know, it could happen.
Three? Well, one in a million, but still, in the realm of possibility.
WWASP has had Samoa, Czech Republic, Dundee, Brightway Hospital (Utah), High Impact in Mexico and Sunrise (I think, I might have this name wrong) in Mexico shut down, all following allegations of abuse and/or fraud. That's six.
That's not smoke, that's a gargantuan inferno.
When you *also* have hundreds of kids from dozens of facilities (many who have never met each other or emailed or anything) reporting similar tales of abuse, you have to be stark raving mad to submit your child to these same perpetrators.
If you think the program saved your kid, ask yourself: how do I know this? Did I send his identical twin elsewhere or leave him alone entirely and his identical twin OD'd and died? No, you have no control group and no way of knowing if your kid would have outgrown his juvenile behavior the way 99% of all kids do.
Do you know what proportion of teenagers die of drugs and drink? It's far less than the number who die in non-alcohol car accidents, which is still only .001 percent of the teen population. The average American life expectancy is nearly 80.
This couldn't be if teen drug and drink deaths were common. The WWASP folks are using bogus statistics and scare stories to frighten you into buying something that *does* have a good chance of harming your child severely.
Why take that risk when there are other lower risk ways of helping that actually *do* have research evidence to support them?
Would you make the same decision if your kid had cancer-- let's believe the people who have only testimonials to support their treatment, not the docs at Sloan Kettering or Duke or Harvard?
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Thanks Sue *****? or one of your alter egos for your input - it won't fly anymore. High Impact was not wwasp, Sunrise was not wwasp and Brightway hospital was an assessment facility. Keep on trying - maybe others will believe the lies made to look like "facts," but I don't.
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Brightway was an assessment facility which was shut down following an investigation by the state *because* it only referred people to WWASP-- it wasn't a legitimate assessment facility because kids are sent to WWASP without any legit psychiatric diagnosis. Sure, WWASP shut it once the writing was on the wall that if they didn't, the state would, but that doesn't make it any better or any less connected. Drug dealers move their operations around when the DEA is onto them too-- doesn't mean they aren't dealing drugs!
High Impact was directly connected to WWASP and there are lots of documents to prove that.
If High Impact *wasn't* connected to WWASP, why did WWASP try to build a High Impact facility in Costa Rica?
And btw, I have nothing whatsoever to do with Sue.
You are so far off as to who I am it is laughable.
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Oh, I believe it.
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I THINK IT IS PAINFULLY OBVIOUS SINCE CAREY DIDNT GET THE GOODBYE SHE WANTED, SHE IS NOW ONE OF US, ANON!
NO ONE HERE CARES ABOUT PURE OR SUE, IT IS CAREYS OBESSION. WE ARE ALL AGAINST WWASPS/TEEN HELP AND THE MISREPRESENTATION AND ABUSE THAT MANY SUFFERED. LAST I CHECKED IT SIAD TEEN HELP INDUSTRY NOT PURE INDUSTRY.
CAREY, GET A LIFE PLEASE. TAKE YOUR ISSUES WITH PURE AND SUE TO THEM DIRECTLY NOT HERE. BTW; THAT PURE REBUTTAL IS OLD NEWS. MOVE ON.
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so lets see now, 6345 WWASP students? 98 percent satisfaction rate? Hmmm, lets do some math.
At our Discovery seminar, the facilitator told us that "based on their surveys" less than 5% of the kids left the program for financial reasons. THat means that of the people who pull their kids, an overwhelming 95% are dissatisfied for reasons other than cost.
We also hear that less than 30 percent of enrollees actually graduate. (I'm unclear whether that includes kid who leave because they reach the age of majority. Of course, with sufficient brainwashing, some parents can be convinced that they can coerce a child to stay beyond their 18th birthday)
Working the numbers, 70 percent of parents pull out before graduation, and 95 percent of them pull for reasons other than cost, that certainly suggests that the program has (at least) a dissatisfaction rate of approximately 66.5 percent.
Take heart!!! 2 out of 3 parents get it, eventually.
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This is PURE and simple - PURE, and the cohorts are posting their propaganda here yet again! It's SO OBVIOUS!! Try another forum where someone, just might, maybe?? Believe you!!
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If PURE were posting these attacks on WWASP, don't you think they would be saying, WWASP does X, but my fabulous programs don't!!! Call me at 800-XXX-XXXX and I'll sign you up for a small fee!!!
Or WWASP has an X % success rate, but ours have an X+10% success rate?
What the people here are saying is that humiliating and degrading tactics used by WWASP, Straight, Boot Camps, Wilderness Programs, "emotional growth" and "behavioral modification" programs *of any kind and pushed by anyone including WWASP, Pure, Straight, KIDS, etc. etc.* are not only inhumane but dangerous and hurtful and far less successful than proven alternatives.
Any program that uses "escorts" is suspect.
Any program that cuts kids off from communication with parents is suspect.
Any program that tells parents to disbelieve their childrens' reports of abuse or bad conditions is suspect because it means that genuine abuse is impossible to report and therefore allows the program to get away with whatever it chooses.
Any program that takes kids without an independent evaluation is suspect.
Any program that takes kids inpatient for smoking pot and drinking (short of diagnosed DSM alcohol *dependence*) is suspect.
Any program that takes kids sheerly because their parents want them taken is suspect: what if the parents are abusive themselves and just want rid of their kids?
Any program that doesn't allow teenagers to look at members of the opposite sex is suspect-- such an extreme level of control suggests that the program's motivation is to "break" people and make them compliant, not to help them change and grow.
Any program that uses brutal verbal attacks to "shoot down" kids' "street image" and uses "confrontation" is suspect.
Any program that doesn't use "the least restrictive option" first is suspect.
Any programs still standing? Not many, and so I don't think this post comes from PURE.
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PURE has posted their website link a lot, just not lately.
As for the SUSPECT stuff - Obviously you've never had a teen in crisis. I have. The things you call suspect are for a GOOD reason. If you're interested, I can share the WHY's.
PURE uses this "tactic" to make parents think there's something WRONG with this approach. Sounds like you're another PURE poster!! Ain't gonna work - again.
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[ This Message was edited by: KarenZ on 2003-10-17 15:13 ]
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Karen Z., have you read the FULL COMPLAINT against PURE? Has anyone?
:idea:
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So Carey is posting ANON? Did she all of a sudden learn to spell? hehehehe :eek:
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THE FULL COMPLAINT IS BOGUS. IT IS WWASPS LAME ATTEMPT TO DISCREDIT PEOPLE AND SILENCE THEM. ARE YOU A LAWYER? ANY LAWYER WILL TELL YOU IT IS A COMPLETELY FRIVILOUS COMPLAINT IN A SORRY ATTEMPT TO SILENCE PEOPLE. TOO BAD IT ISNT WORKING. AGAIN, IT IS OLD NEWS. VERY OLD.
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OR, should the original poster say, "IT All Makes Dollars & Cents Now!! LOL!
I read the WHOLE thing! Looks like a lot of things to me.
First: She has multiple personalities on forums, this one included. She's been trying to discredit this post by posting rebuttals "herselves."
Two: She(s) used to post on intrepidnetreporter.com and when that site went down or wwasp purchased it, she put it back up adding an "s" - this way she has FULL control and posts all she wants under any name she wants if there is a forum on it, haven't looked yet.
Three: Question for Carey - When you contacted PURE to help you at DUNDEE didn't they want to take full control and use your story on their website?
SO...this is how PURE is getting by with the defamation now...posting ANONYMOUS! How brilliant! Can't trace them until this board is ordered to trace IP addresses. That won't happen.
Her site isn't set up to help parents in crisis. It's set up to scare them away from WWASPS as a wolf in sheeps clothing.
If I had the time I would go back over every ANON posting here slamming WWASPS and would be able to see through it now.
Sue, Teen Advocates USA, Jeff Berryman. See ya'll on intrepidnetreporters - and I'm sure you'll be rearing your ugly heads here again, and again, and again.
My guess is that no one legitimate on this board will defend your ass(es) now!
:rofl: :rofl: :rofl:
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On 2003-08-06 19:27:00, Anonymous wrote:
"THE FULL COMPLAINT IS BOGUS. IT IS WWASPS LAME ATTEMPT TO DISCREDIT PEOPLE AND SILENCE THEM. ARE YOU A LAWYER? ANY LAWYER WILL TELL YOU IT IS A COMPLETELY FRIVILOUS COMPLAINT IN A SORRY ATTEMPT TO SILENCE PEOPLE. TOO BAD IT ISNT WORKING. AGAIN, IT IS OLD NEWS. VERY OLD."
Thanks Sue/PURE - Sorry, but It IS WORKING - :wave:
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Yes. Sue wanted to use my story...but, she wanted me to add more to it! It was not "bad" enough for her. The story I authorized her to post is the same story that can be found on the Woodbury site and at one time was on the BST site. If you have not seen it let me know. I would be glad to post it here.
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Anybody can read civil lawsuits online by registering with the P.A.C.E.R. (Public Access to Court Electronic Records) system.
http://pacer.psc.uscourts.gov/ (http://pacer.psc.uscourts.gov/)
Once you are registered, just click on the state district court where the complaint was filed and do a search using the names of the plaintiff or defendant (or if it is a business, the name of the business.) :grin:
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Anon.,
You may want to do some more homework on this subject. Put the weed down for a bit, also. You are only 9 months behind!!! There have been more rebuttals to this case & wwasps has lost their requests if I'm not mistaken.
Just goes to show you; "You do not know everything"! And you lose again!!! :rofl:
So much for making sense?
As usual, Regards, Lee
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Anon.,
You may want to do some more homework on this subject. Put the weed down for a bit, also. You are only 9 months behind!!! There have been more rebuttals to this case & wwasps has lost their requests if I'm not mistaken.
Just goes to show you; "You do not know everything"! And you lose again!!!
So much for making sense?
Karen must be posting anonymously.
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Anonymous Wrote:
Sue, Teen Advocates USA, Jeff Berryman. See ya'll on intrepidnetreporters - and I'm sure you'll be rearing your ugly heads here again, and again, and again.
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Excuse me, but I think you better read the FULL LAWSUIT (not some outdated rebuttal) to educate yourself about this case because you clearly don't have a clue about who or what you are talking about.
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Filed in the United States District Court for the District of Utah Civil No. 2:02-CV-0010
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[ This Message was edited by: KarenZ on 2003-10-17 15:16 ]
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Okay, so you HAVE NOT READ the complete record of this lawsuit. You read something sent to you many months ago. Don't you think you need to get up to speed on the issues at hand? I mean, how can you even have an opinion about something if you don't do your homework?
Just a suggestion, not meant personally!
:smile:
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Please post the rebuttals here, or direct us to where to find the rebuttals. I couldn't seem to find them in my search. Thanks!
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[ This Message was edited by: KarenZ on 2003-10-17 15:17 ]
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To Clarify:
The CIVIL COMPLAINT was filed in the United States District Court for the District of Utah.
(Amended Complaint Dec. 02)
The case number is 2:02-CV-0010
The complete record of the lawsuit can be read online by using the PACER SYSTEM (see link below)
http://pacer.psc.uscourts.gov/ (http://pacer.psc.uscourts.gov/)
** After registering, you will be assigned a log in name and password which allows you to use the PACER SYSTEM nationwide.
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"Once your registration has been processed by the PACER Service Center, a login and password will be sent by U.S. mail to the address provided on the registration form. For security reasons, logins and passwords can not be emailed, faxed, or given over the phone."
Oh, that's funny! This will buy you some time - snail mail unless I want to pay FED EX charges to get the login/password overnighted. Why don't YOU just cut and paste this and save everyone some precious time. Doubt it is much different than the original above.
All I can say PURE... :wave: is IT's NOT WORKING, STILL!!!
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Anonymous, Do you know for a fact if it is legally correct to cut and paste someone's lawsuit on this website or anywhere else? I mean if that was the case (no pun intended) don't you think somebody would have done that by now?
PACER is a valuable resource which is used not just by lawyers but also journalists,researchers, investigators, and many others. It is a shame they can't expedite the registration process for Joe Citizen, but that's understandable IMHO.
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Whats wrong Sue, you don't want people to know the rest of the story about you?
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If it's not legally correct, so what? I've seen court cases scanned and put on public web sites, this one included.
Me thinks you're just buying time :???:
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How about the ISAC website?
http:/www.straightincorporated.com
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Or THE STRAIGHTS,
http://www.thestraights.com (http://www.thestraights.com)
Both these websites are linked to PURE.
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Correct URL;
http://www.straightincorporated.com (http://www.straightincorporated.com)
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Are you serious?? ISAC is linked to PURE?? That's good information. FaceKhan is always referring to ISAC. Wonder if it's Jeff Berryman posing as yet another multiple personality. :???:
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I beleive ISAC removed the link that it once had to PURE, Inc. I had spoken with them about the danger of being associated with Sue.
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I don't think Anon was saying ISAC and The Straights are part of PURE, just that PURE has links to these organization on her website.
Was PURE at the conference or anyone else associated with them?
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I did not go to the conference, so I don't know for sure. However, I do know that quite a few of Sue's followers, including Sue as she was pushing it, were planning on going.
I do know that ISAC had a link to Sue's website on their website, however I believe that they did remove it. At least they told me they were going to remove it. I have not recently checked.
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Anybody know the names of the 2 people writing books who came to the conference?
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[ This Message was edited by: KarenZ on 2003-10-17 15:19 ]
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I find it interesting that IF the new court document is FAVORABLE for PURE that it would be on THEIR website - right next to the lame excuse Sue gave for the original one posted here. IF it was favorable for PURE, it would be all over the websites that she and her multiple personalities post on.
So, WHERE IS THIS WONDERFUL COURT DOCUMENT???
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I find it interesting that none of these pro-active websites even mention the WWASPS v. PURE lawsuit, much less any information about it.
INTREPIDNETREPORTERS.COM (PURE)
ISAC (international survivors action committee)
The Straights Dot Com (Wes Fager)
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What's wrong with this picture?
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Ever think it is probably not important? Who cares about Pure Rebuttal, really who cares! It has nothing to do with the fight against WWASPS or Straights. Only one individual seems to care about it, and that one individual does give her name but also wears bags, sort of like pure rebuttal.
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It has EVERYTHING to do with the class action suit - Quit trying to take the focus on yourselves. By the way - We're STILL waiting for the court document you say you have that shows PURE in a favorable light!
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Hello: I just have to share this with you all. Several months ago I was looking for a wake up call for my 16 year old. I called several places looking for help. I talked to a very nice lady at Cross Creek Programs who told me that she didn't see the issues being serious enough for a long term program. She didn't send me anything other than what she said she would, a packet with a video and brochures. She said to call her if things began to escalate. End of story. I happened upon PURE and spoke to a Ms. Peart. WHOLE different story there. Not only did she recommend a VERY expensive boot camp, but she told me all about WWASP, as I had shared I talked with someone at one of their schools. She made sure I knew about this website and all the newspaper articles. It actually didn't make any sense to me and I didn't look here until tonight. I know that the lady i spoke with at Cross Creek had my best interests at heart, not my pocketbook and numbers. She even referred me to the wilderness program my son just returned from. He is doing great, however, I know about the honeymoon period and am keeping a close eye on any changes. Hopefully I won't ever need them again. I was looking through some of my old papers and saw the info Ms. Peart gave me, and I decided to take a look. I don't care about the badmouthing about WWASPS, I know nobody is always going to be 100% happy. What I do care about, at least for the moment, is the way this PURE organization is hurting families by taking their money and offering help that is less than effective AND is based on lies. Like I said in the other thread. I will never call them again, for any reason. Maybe they'll get exactly what they deserve.
Marcia
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There is a short-term paramilitary style program in Arizona called Reality Ranch. Is this the boot camp you are talking about?
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WWASP and PURE probably deserve each other like Hitler and Stalin
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[ This Message was edited by: KarenZ on 2003-10-17 15:21 ]
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Karen: I sent an e-mail to the educational options site. The response on why Cross Creek got a one star was. "They are part of an organization called WWASPS. Please do some research on them." That was it.
Clearly when educational consultants are paid by a particular school or organization for their services, they give them a low/one star rating.
I don't see where it is unbiased in any way shape or form. The schools they give a high rating lack much of what most families need, but their may be a fee they just can't resist to refer to them.
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On 2003-08-06 22:17:00, Anonymous wrote:
""Once your registration has been processed by the PACER Service Center, a login and password will be sent by U.S. mail to the address provided on the registration form. For security reasons, logins and passwords can not be emailed, faxed, or given over the phone."
Oh, that's funny! This will buy you some time - snail mail unless I want to pay FED EX charges to get the login/password overnighted. Why don't YOU just cut and paste this and save everyone some precious time. Doubt it is much different than the original above.
All I can say PURE... :wave: is IT's NOT WORKING, STILL!!! "
Still awaiting PURE's response and the full court document -
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Still interested, pacer ID has yet to come after registration. Actually, it probably isn't relevant?? Still don't see it on PURE's site and if it were FAVORABLE, it would be. Just another smoke screen?? PURE reps, please scan and post. Thank you.
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HELLO - is anybody in there? Are ya stupid or what? It doesn't EXIST!! The original is all there is.
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Karen - Your statement about Nona on page 3 IS very strange. Nona is simply the financial resources person, not in admissions or with Dundee.
In one sentence you said Nona suggested that you wouldn't want to be involved with PURE. You never even heard of PURE? Did she just pull that out of her ass?
Very, very weird considering your child hadn't been at Dundee for months. And, very weird that Nona went to all the trouble of e-mailing AND fed exing this for no reason and didn't respond when you asked her why.
Is your child in another program now?
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Wynonna Messing was represented to me as the contact person for inquiries about my grandaughter's placement when she first was sent to Casa by the Sea. I called the St. George telephone number (not the 800 number) every day for 5 days, and was told Ms. Messing, as admissions coordinator, would be returning my call. She did not. I finally "caught" her by calling at 7:00PM one evening, and the receptionist answering the phone at that late hour put me through to Ms. Messing. Ms. Messing was flustered and somewhat frantically shuffling papers and using her computer as I asked where my grandaughter physically was and how I could contact her (silly me). The upshot was that Ms. Messing could not find her or her paperwork...to which I reacted with an expletive-deleted. Ms. Messing gained enough composure to coldly inform me that all communication was to go only through the parent.
During this conversation, I also inquired after the landmarks which delineate levels, i.e., how was my grandaughter, who had told me by phone 2 days before leaving that she was going to "book it" through this place, going to progress. I was told that it was purely her choice to move up. (Hhhmmm, first encounter with WWASPS-speak.) When I inquired if there was a Parents' Manual with rules, I was told by Ms. Messing that there was no such document. This non-existant Parents' Manual is available in Adobe Acrobat Reader form on the WWASP website.
So much for my first venture into honesty, integrity, accountability.
Ms. Messing definitely IS NOT only a financial officer of WWASPS. She is a young-ish (late 20's, I would guess) bureaucrat, snippy, fully schooled in the hidden agenda of WWASPS, and a full-out liar as well. Having known about Karen's FedEx package for some time now, I am convinced that this little bitch was perfectly capable of sending it out.
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The previous poster wrote:
Ms. Messing gained enough composure to coldly inform me that all communication was to go only through the parent.
All the programs have this down to a science. Can you imagine the headache they would have trying to brainwash not just the parents, but the grands as well. Their numbers would drop dramatically.
My mom saw my son twice during the 22 months. Once at my dad's funeral, which took an act of congress to get him to. The other was a brief holiday visit late in the program. He was never allowed to call her or anyone else in the family.
Deborah
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[ This Message was edited by: KarenZ on 2003-10-17 15:23 ]
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On 2003-08-06 14:26:00, Anonymous wrote:
"Thanks Sue *****? or one of your alter egos for your input - it won't fly anymore. High Impact was not wwasp, Sunrise was not wwasp and Brightway hospital was an assessment facility. Keep on trying - maybe others will believe the lies made to look like "facts," but I don't. "
My child was at TB when High Impact was still open. Postings about referrals from the program (especially Casa and TB) to High Impact were very common on the BBS at that time. In fact, Jay Kay suggested that my child be sent there. Instead I brought him home and within a week of our return home HI was closed. Many parents were immediately defensive and HI and told their stories of how wonderful it was for their children. Within a few days Dace Goulding was quoted in an article (I think it was in a San Deigo newspaper) stating emphatically that there was no connection between Casa and HI. Knowing that was such a blatant lie I was amazed that no Casa parent on the BBS commented on that statement. That was my wake up call.
Judy
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Karen, wasn't your son referred to another program by PURE?
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Dace wasn't actually lying. He may not have been forthcoming with the connection, though. High Impact was not a part of WWASPS - yes I've researched this info somewhat. The connection was former employees of Casa by the Sea that started it and was an alternative - a boot camp - to motivate kids that weren't working at their WWASP school. Some of the schools referred kids there with the parent's agreement. There were many other students that were there that were not affiliated with WWASP. Since I wasn't there, I'm only reporting what I've read away from the WWASP reports.
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On 2003-08-15 16:00:00, Anonymous wrote:
"Dace wasn't actually lying. He may not have been forthcoming with the connection, though. High Impact was not a part of WWASPS - yes I've researched this info somewhat. The connection was former employees of Casa by the Sea that started it and was an alternative - a boot camp - to motivate kids that weren't working at their WWASP school. Some of the schools referred kids there with the parent's agreement. There were many other students that were there that were not affiliated with WWASP. Since I wasn't there, I'm only reporting what I've read away from the WWASP reports. "
I found the newspaper article. It is from the Rocky Mountain News:
Lou Kilzer
News Staff Writer
Mexican officials have removed a 14-year-old Colorado girl and seven other teens from a compound connected to Utah-based Teen Help, the latest in a series of crackdowns on the organization.
Child welfare workers found the conditions deplorable at the High Impact locked compound near Tecate in Baja California, Mexico, according to authorities at the United States Consulate in Tijuana.
``They were all extremely dirty,'' consulate spokesman Clint Wright said of the teens living there. ``Some of the kids had calluses and blisters on their feet from being made to do a lot of laps around the place without wearing proper shoes.''
He said the teens were forced to lie on their stomachs, with their chins on the ground, for hours at a time.
Mexican authorities said they found that tents had blown down and children had been forced to sleep in bathrooms, according to U.S. diplomats.
The Colorado girl complained of blisters and a sunburn, officials said. They would release no details about the girl, who was one of the last to leave High Impact.
The Teen Help organization offers services to parents of troubled children. The parents often attend rigorous psychological encounter sessions, while their children are sent to behavior modification camps in the United States and overseas.
Some mental health professionals have described some of the techniques in the adult seminars and at the compounds as ``coercive persuasion.''
Parents often pay more than $3,000 a month for tuition. A typical stay can last 18 months or longer.
Parents said High Impact is an integral part of the Teen Help empire - a place to send kids who are ``not working the program.''
Officials first inspected the High Impact facility Dec. 5. The World Wide Association of Specialty Schools - an umbrella group for many Teen Help-related programs - immediately began withdrawing its clients from High Impact. When the compound was revisited on Dec. 8, eight remained. WWASP said one of the eight had come from its program.
The teens were taken into protective custody, according to the consulate. Allegations of unsanitary conditions at High Impact are untrue, said Ken Kay, head of the WWASP. ``I mean, it was the cleanest place I ever saw,'' he said.
But Chris Goodwin of San Francisco said his son was forced to stay outside in his underpants for three nights, lying on his stomach with his chin on the ground. If he moved to try to brush off fire ants that roamed over him, he was threatened with a cattle prod, said Goodwin. The punishment left scars on his son's chin, he said.
The Utah organization tried last week to distance itself from High Impact. Kay said the only association WWASP had with High Impact was that it occasionally sent children there. ``I know you probably think I'm playing dumb,'' said Kay. ``And that's good, because I probably am dumb.''
Records suggest that WWASP has a closer relation to High Impact. High Impact's Web page is on a Web service called parentresources.net. That site advertises Teen Help and WWASP programs, and its phone number connects to Teen Help in Utah. The person who manages the Web site has managed Teen Help.
High Impact's billing is controlled by R&B Billing, a company owned by Robert Lichfield in Utah, according to records obtained by the News. Lichfield created the Teen Help programs.
Payments to WWASP and High Impact have the same St. George, Utah, mailing address. And parent identification codes remain the same when a child goes from a WWASP program to High Impact, and vice versa, according to internal records.
Though the facilities are owned by various individuals, the money first passes through Lichfield's concerns in southern Utah, where most of it remains, Kay told the News.
But Dace Goulding, who runs Casa by the Sea, a WWASP program in Ensanada, Mexico, said he doesn't know of any relationship between High Impact and WWASP. He also said he had no knowledge of teens from Casa by the Sea going to High Impact.
That was news to Goodwin. He said that after his son was having troubles at Casa, Goulding called and told him to send his son to High Impact. He said Goulding sold it to him as a camping experience.
What his son found, instead, was ``torture,'' according to Goodwin. After his son and another boy got into a fight, the staff beat both and then put them in the High Impact position, he said.
``They were flat on their stomachs, hands behind their back as if they're handcuffed, chin out straight, resting on the ground. My kid said he stayed like that in a pool of blood all night long on the first night. They were freezing their butts off.''
Goodwin said his son spent three nights in the High Impact position.
Goulding said he didn't know Chris Goodwin or his son.
Stephanie Hecker of Kansas City said her son experienced the same treatment.
High Impact isn't the first Teen Help-related program to run into trouble with authorities.
* A compound near Cancun, Mexico, was closed after a newspaper reported child abuse allegations.
* Police in the Czech Republic closed WWASP's Morava Academy, again citing abuse allegations. Police alleged kids were sometimes isolated, denied food and handcuffed.
* A Teen Help psychiatric hospital in St. George was shut following an investigation into an abuse complaint.
* A WWASP program in Western Samoa closed after American diplomats received what they called ``credible'' allegations of abuse.
* And last Monday, child welfare officials made an unannounced visit to Casa by the Sea, removing five children for private interviews.
Goulding, the director of the program, said he was unaware of the event. But Kay was.
``I just can't believe that they came in . . . with armed federales, removed five of the kids without the parents' permission or anything, and took them off to question them, and then brought them back,'' said Kay. ``The mayor of Ensanada is highly incensed.''
Of the Rocky Mountain News, which has raised questions about the program in recent years, Goulding said: ``Because of the work that you do, Casa by the Sea is thriving. I was going to send you a thank-you letter for that.''
He hung up the phone after telling a reporter: ``Please don't call me. I'll call you.''
Reread this paragraph. It is what I was referring to:
But Dace Goulding, who runs Casa by the Sea, a WWASP program in Ensanada, Mexico, said he doesn't know of any relationship between High Impact and WWASP. He also said he had no knowledge of teens from Casa by the Sea going to High Impact.
I know that WWASP denied affiliation with HI and you can believe that if you choose. I think there is plenty of reason to question that. But stating that he had no knowledge of teens from Casa going to HI is a lie.
You may also want to check this article out from Lon Woodbury's site in August of 01.
http://www.strugglingteens.com/archives/2001/8/np4.html (http://www.strugglingteens.com/archives/2001/8/np4.html)
Judy
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What's all this OLD news, yes newspaper articles that only tell one biased site, have to do with anything current and proven? Judy, you remind me of another one of PURE's flunkies. How'd that happen? The only proven thing on this particular thread is what Sue Scheff and her supporters are doing to get business. She must be grasping at straws right about now from what I'm seeing you guys post here. But, if you want to latch on to newspaper articles, that's your business. Whatever fills your heart.
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I'm not the one who brought up HI, but I was around then and happen to have some first-hand info.
I know it's old news. Why does that matter? It only shows that there is a history here and recent history shows that there are still the same concerns.
It's clear that you have no real response to all of this by the way you changed the subject. So I will address this one time (only). I have no association with PURE and I don't intend to ever have any contact with them. Just my personal choice.
And yeah, I will "latch on to" newspaper reports, books, magazines, etc. I think this is how one educates themselves. I will also use my own common sense to reach obvious conclusions.
Judy
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No connection? This seems to be their MO. Present the individual programs as independent, while all the money is going into the same pot.
Deborah
http://www.strugglingteens.com/archives/2001/8/np4.html (http://www.strugglingteens.com/archives/2001/8/np4.html)
Aug 2001 HIGH IMPACT BOOT CAMP Baja California, Mexico
Dwayne Lee, Admissions Coordinator ? Parent Resources Hotline
Hurricane, Utah 800-793-5156
[I called their web site number to ask some questions about the Parent Resources Hotline, identifying myself as an educational consultant. The person answering the phone informed me he was only authorized to send a packet of information and did not answer any of my questions. The packet I received included a photocopy of a letter from Dwayne Lee of Parent Resources Hotline, a Sample Daily Schedule for WWASP Programs, a brochure for High Impact, a Video Tape and a brochure for the World Wide Association of Specialty Programs: Casa by the Sea, Carolina Springs Academy, Cross Creek Academy, Spring Creek Lodge and Tranquility Bay. Apparently Parent Resources Hotline exclusively markets High Impact and WWASP programs.-Lon]
The audiotape sent with the promotional packet consisted of a number of testimonials by parents and ex-students, mostly, however, apparently referring to the long-term WWASP programs rather than High Impact. A price list was included for the various WWASP programs, but none for High Impact.
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And the HI website. There is no link to "About Us". No mention of staff, who they are, or anything... all that's there is a little about HI and links to all the WWASP programs.
http://www.parentresources.net/bootcamp ... tCamp.html (http://www.parentresources.net/bootcamps/highimpact/BootCamp.html)
28 Day High Impact Program
90 Day Boot Camp
Tranquility Bay
Renowned Specialty Boarding Schools
Casa by the Sea
Carolina Springs Academy
Spring Creek Lodge
Cross Creek Manor
Streaming Videos
Parent Resource Video
World Wide Association Video
Parent Resource Booklets
How to deal with defient teens
How to tell if your teen is using drugs
Copyright © 2001 Parent Recources Hotline
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Deborah - you said you called and identified yourself as an educational consultant? :???:
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Re: High Impact
I'm sure Deborah did not mean to infer that it was she who made the phone call when in fact, it was Lon Woodbury who called and wrote about his findings.
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***Deborah - you said you called and identified yourself as an educational consultant?
Jeez, and you program parents think your kids have ADD/ODD.. and spend thousands warehouse them for it?
I hate psych lables, which I believe to be fraudulent... but if the phoe shits....
Your defensive stance is interfering with what little attention and intellegence you might possess.
Deborah
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Deborah - Haven't you identified yourself as a program parent? Which program?
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Deborah has stated that her sons were enrolled in a program (not WWASPS) in Georgia against her wishes. Instead of the high academics promised, it turned out very bad...like WWASPS.
Instead of continually asking for information when you just bop onto this forum, you can search and do your own legwork. On the left-hand margin is a "Search WWF" line. Click on it and enter Deborah's name, and you will be able to do your own research without using bandwidth for us to do it for you.
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Sure - I've got time to sift through 229 posts. Actually, She has never mentioned the programs her sons were in. Now, from her postings, I can see where HIGH ACADEMICS would be important to HER, but my guess is that's not the purpose they were admitted. WWASPS has a great academic program for those that choose to work it. They aren't gonna do it for the kids. If it has to look a certain way to apease the parents, then it won't. It's much like homeschooling since they have several different grade levels, say in a history class, and are able to go as fast or slow as they wish. All the credits do transfer, at least my kids did and he caught up to grade level prior to program graduation. Obviously if you had experience of wwasps you'd know that is how it is. Or, if you admitted your kid for strictly academic reasons, you aren't being honest as these are not traditional boarding schools.
Uh..I guess the PURE folks want you to believe otherwise? Isn't that what this thread is about?
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Deborah may have no experience of wwasp but I do and I can assure you their academic program is nothing like homeschooling. I do not know of any homeschooling situation where a child is given an algebra book and nothing else for 6 hours a day, every day and is not allowed to take another course until he has finished that one. I also know of no home school situation where a child cannot ask a question or get any assistance when needed. That is the reality of the "academic" program at TB.
Judy
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ACTUALLY, there has been a death in the hands of wwasp! It was at TRANQUILITY BAY!
The only living proof of the so called "graduates" is the successful brainwashing methods they fell into while being in the hands of wwasp.
wwasp is bein sued. Every victim's story of wwasp matches. Another one of wwasps facility's was just shut down a few months ago while the owner was arrested.
Do your own research on wwasp, because if you put 2 and 2 together then you get what the world is about to see about wwasp.
However, they can offer you services.
That is if you want to pay a couple thousand dollars a month to have your kid illegally incarcerated while they lie to his or her parents while the kid is forced into submission into believing there brainwashing methods. There is no way around there beliefs, they are right no matter what and if you dont like it then it looks like your kid is in for a beating.
Thats the beauty of personal opionion's, thank you board.
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WWASP has a great academic program??? WHERE???
NOT AT CASA BY THE SEA (or any of their other institutions that I've ever heard of).
Their so-called "schools' are advertised as accredited by the Northwest Association of Schools and Colleges. However, that type of "accreditation" is the same as any university-based "distance education" course gets.
For example, you can contact UC-Berkeley, University of Nevada, or University of Arizona (and undoubtedly, many others near you), and for between $150 - 300 or so per course, get a workbook, text and lesson plan. Work through the assignments, pass the final exams and you get high school credit. (Sound familiar?) These credits are accepted pretty much anywhere. Why? -- because the university based distance education courses ("home schooling", if you prefer) are FULLY ACCREDITED BY THE NORTHWEST ASSOCIATION OF SCHOOLS AND COLLEGES.
Since the rule of thumb for WWASP schools is apparently 2 years of school for one year of high school credit, you can get the same accredited education for even LESS than the cost of their third world gulags. This leaves a lot left over to find real help for your child to the extent necessary.
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Scott, what you suggest for a classroom with students ranging from 8th-12th grades? The "teachers" may be there to answer questions as in homeschooling, however, I see where the challenge would be in teaching a class for many different grades. Again, I personally don't see where the education part of the stay is the primary reason for them being there. If your child was admitted for academic reasons only, wouldn't a traditional boarding school have served the purpose much better? At least they have an academic program - Do many state or insurance funded treatment options have NO educational options for behavioral issue admissions? Don't the WWASP programs have high school graduations for students graduating their program? I've seen many in their magazine with many continuing on to college.
What were you told?
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Begging the pardon of the honorable anonymous poster, but MY intentions in sending my child to Casa are not germane to this discussion. This exchange pertains to the misleading characterization of WWASP-style academics.
The previous "anonymous" poster made the point that the WWASPs have a "great" academic program. I merely beg to differ -- a correspondence school class may be an "adequate"
program, but surely one must have higher expectations of a "great" program than leaving the kid to go thru a workbook without the assistance of qualified teachers. Is not an adequate correspondence class costing a few hundred dollars a superior value to a pretty much identical correspondence course costing thousands of dollars per month?
Moreover, as far as what I was told about the educational programs, again please forgive me, but I recall that the name of the organization here at issue the "World Wide Association of Specialty SCHOOLS and Programs"? The self-laudatory appellation of "SCHOOL" is something they (mis)-appropriated to their own use. It sure didn't come from me!
If WWASPs wants to call their institutions "SCHOOLS" --and their advertising and promotional materials certainly hold them out as purported "schools" -- then they should have those attributes that people reasonably expect schools to have (eg., teachers with at least minimal competency). LET THEM GET LICENSED AND REGULATED AS SCHOOLS.
If they want to call their institutions some kind of a therapeutic programs, THEN LET THEM GET LICENSED AND REGULATED AS MENTAL HEALTH PROGRAMS. (Oh wait, they tried that with their Brightway program, but it kinda flunked out. I guess not having teachers made their vocabulary skills a little weak -- they can't decide on what name accurately describes what they do).
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:nworthy: IM WITH YOU SCOTT!!!!!!
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Maybe this needs to be a separate thread. It's WAY off the subject.
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http://www.purerebuttal.com (http://www.purerebuttal.com) - getting back to basics.
Karen Z is no longer on the PURE site, but still has a website of her own she refers parents to, so slamming wwasps is a good thing.
Deborah - defends anyone that feels wwasps is a bad thing, yet has no experience of them, and has never said where her (fictitious) children reside, but is very good at links and such.
Spots - grandma extraordinaire - thinks that parents are bad, bad, bad, if they seek help.
yada yada yada....and all of us anons out here trying to figure out fact from fiction.
Seems like with this class action pending ya'll need to keep up your attacks so you can make a bundle off what you've convinced yourselves of.
It sure didn't take ME long to figure it out.
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Are you guys for real? You sound like babies and I think you're supposed to be parents! :rofl: Betcha never learned what living your life as a victim means. :rofl: Judy - if your kid said they sat with one book for 6 hours a day and you believed it, you're just as bad as your kid. What did you do, go to the seminars and staff to look good?? :rofl:
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WWASP and academics? Give me a break! Their so called ?School Program? is a joke! If you call starring at a 1980?s out dated science book for half an hour a day, and 90% of the students cheating on a multiple choice test a education, then yes, WWASP has an education program.
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That's the key,
"you have seen many in their magazine." Is that the same gloosy magaize with kids riidng jorses? The one with kids with smiling faces ,heads uo ,looking out?
The one where kids are playing in the ocean?
I have learned the hard way ,don't believe what you read. Don't believe what you hear .Don't believe what you are told by Teen Help associates who recieve a huge referral fee.
Fraud fraud fraud
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I've heard this drivel about Samoa "choosing" to be closed down before. For what reason did the operator "choose" to shut down?
Did Samoa shut down because the operator had achieved all his goals-- there just wasn't a market for teens needing help anymore? He had already made all the money in world and became arm-weary from carrying it to the bank everyday?
I suppose with your new PR firm, your next strategy will be to pass off the closure of Dundee as merely a voluntary "choice" also. After all, Narvin voluntarily "chose" to ignore Costa Rican immigration law, and brought in 100s of kids without legal visas. Narvin "chose" to operate in a fashion that he had to hire six different directors within an 18 months period. (Did he "choose" incompetent managers, or did the managers "choose" not to be accessories to his depredations?)
Narvin "chose" to induce hundreds of parents to send their kids thousands of miles away from home --- while overlooking the fact that as a matter of Costa Rican law, human beings over age 14 cannot be held against their will. Narvin "chose" to operate in Costa Rica because he thought he could avoid those nasty regulators (like the ones in the U.S. that shut down Provo Canyon Boys Ranch and Brightway) He just "chose" to forget that he might be subject to different local laws.
And then when the stuff hits the fan, its NOT the fault of the management who made these choices. Nooooo! BLAME THE PROSECUTOR FOR ENFORCING THE LAW! Did it occur to anyone that that Costa Rica (and most of the other nations of the world) might have a legitimate interest in protecting the rights of 14 year old humans from incarceration without a semblance of due process? And further, that that interest might conceivaby outweigh the interest of a for-profit operator of a private incarceration facility?
Pray tell, was the Dundee program an example of WILLFUL disregard of local law or just GROSS NEGLIGENCE in exposing the inmates to a situation that became inevitable as a direct result of management's voluntary choices?
As for the "temporary" nature of the shutdown, it seems both sides are distancing themselves from each other. Narvin was quoted a few weeks ago in the Costa Rican Tico Times as saying his new plan is to re-open as a more coventional boarding school (like his local Competitor, Coronado Academy) which probably won't be affiliated with WWASPs. Meanwhile, the boys at the home office in Utah are getting themselves a new PR firm and mumbling about how the unfortunate situation in Costa Rica was just so darn unfair, not representative of their swell program, yadda, yadda...
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For all those that are so "vocal" about being victims, do you stand to make a lot of money in the supposed law suit and need to keep up the stories, or can you see your own accountability in finding that your choice was not what you needed for your "not that bad" teen? ANY behavior mod program is usually for teens that are out of the parents control. If you chose this for your child because they were just experiencing normal teen growth, what have you learned?
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On 2003-08-26 15:51:00, KarenZ wrote:
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I was told quit specifically Dundee was a School.
When I and others complained about the lack of information we were able to get about the classes our kids were taking or how they were progressing ~in School~, we got the same crap and pabulum the anon poster above just laddled out - Your child isn't there for schooling, are they?
Well, Yes!
Among other things.
The schooling was a major factor, and I expected it to be advanced and progressive and high quality; just as I had been assured it would be.
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SPECIALTY BOARDING SCHOOL - Not a conventional boarding school. Does "SCHOOL" have to mean academia? I view school as any place where we learn. That includeslearning about choices.
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Uhhhh, yeah. Actually a school does have to be about academia. That's pretty much the definition of school.
If all you get is education about choices, you probably wouldn't get any kind of accreditation. If you call yourself a school and provide nothing more than basic correspondence courses, an honest and carrying person should be expected to be upfront about the quality of what is actually being provided.
Given the litany of dubious achievements based on the WWASP choices making discussed below, I think they would make a wonderful business school case study on how to start out with a golden goose and turn it into a pile of scrambled eggs.
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Hey, Sue,PURE, what do you think about the schooling part? Do all the "schools" you refer to have traditional classrooms/books? Probably not. Does ANYONE know of specialty/behavior modification schools that do? Just curious.
This is very funny in a way. You send a not so troubled teen to a behavior modification school for textbook learning? Who's the stupid one?
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Actually Karen, No, I would never put my child in harms way, that's why I had him admitted to a wwasps school. During the time my child was in the school, I never once felt he was not being loved and cared for and learning to live in a bigger way. Drastic yes, but I know it was never abusive emotionally or physically. You've got some obsession going on within yourself that only negative thinkers will agree with. I'm here to tell you the truth...in a den of wolves, or whatever you call yourselves. My question to you. were you there? I wasn't, so I have my truth about the schools I do. Dundee is gone, maybe for good, maybe not, but what is your purpose in dragging all the wwasps schools down because you and a few others are unhappy with your choice? I've heard no accountability from you on this. You chose a school in Costa Rica? What the hell is that all about? Planning on little resort vacation or what??
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"...I know it was never abusive emotionally or physically. You've got some obsession going on within yourself that only negative thinkers will agree with.
In response to a very detailed and intelligent post from Karen Z, the above-quoted material came as response. One person says what she believes and gives a genuine reasonable array of information for readers to mull over. Another person says "I know, etc.", and procedes to slash and froth and sputter...again. Give it a rest.
BESIDES, CHECK OUT THIS OLD TIME-WORN ABUSED DO-NOTHING STUPID TOPIC, and drop it. It's a dead horse. Post about something else or pick another topic.
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Dundee was sold as a resort of a sort. Get your facts straight. Why do you think parents are so angry.
All wwasp schools ARE abusive. SCl is number one abusive.
Overcrowed, understaffed, fraudulent,fake drs. It goes on and on. Cameron hits the kids .The piece of fat shit.
He too will be held accountable Family reps that lie too.
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Anon,do I know you? Cameron is a piece of fat shit for sure and he's doing meth........
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Melissa,
No we have yet to meet. I don't doubt there is drugs at SCL.
I had heard that ther were a couple of years ago.
If I knew than what I know now, WWASP would not be in my vocbulary.
If Camereon is doing Meth why is he so fat?
Could it be all of the food he keeps from the kids?
What a loser that one is.A bif phoney too.
At least he shows up.Jay Kay hides from the parents. Now I know why.
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On 2003-08-28 18:50:00, Anonymous wrote:
This is very funny in a way. You send a not so troubled teen to a behavior modification school for textbook learning? Who's the stupid one? "
In retrospect, I freely ADMIT that I was stupid to send our son to WWASPs' so called school.
And by extension of your irrefutable logic, I would say that ANY PARENT WHO SENDS THEIR CHILD TO A WWASP SCHOOL IS STUPID TOO.
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Cameron is doing meth, he used to run a meth lab in Montana but he got busted so he "wanted to turn his life around" so that's why he works with "troubled teens," more like beats the shit out of them... anyway, yah if you find information on him he was busted, Montana is the #1 state on meth production, especially in the Thompson Falls area. Drugs are insanely easy to get in town, that's what I was told from staff, anyway. If it means anything, I just saw pictures of him on SCL's website and he looks to have lost quite some weight since I last saw him. When were you in the program?
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I suggest you call the DEA and have him investigated and/or arrested. If you're only posting your accusations on this board, you are not doing all you can do to it back up.
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On 2003-08-27 00:01:00, Anonymous wrote:
"Are you guys for real? You sound like babies and I think you're supposed to be parents! :rofl: Betcha never learned what living your life as a victim means. :rofl: Judy - if your kid said they sat with one book for 6 hours a day and you believed it, you're just as bad as your kid. What did you do, go to the seminars and staff to look good?? :rofl: "
You are jumping to the wrong conclusions yet again. My information about my child taking one class at a time came from my family rep. I also had a discussion about this very thing face-to-face with Eugenia Collins. I was also told that they are in school for 6 hours a day so I concluded he was sitting with an algebra book for 6 hours a day. And yeah, my "kid" does confirm that he was required to pass this class before he could begin another.
On that subject, my child never did lie all the time and when he did I pretty much knew. So discounting everything he has ever said is ridiculous. Don't you know when your child lies to you? Don't you just know by using your own common sense? Don't you know your own child well enough to discern truth from lies? I can't imagine what would make you call my child a liar when you have never met him and know nothing of him. Do you assume all people unknown to you are liars? Or just me and my son?
No, I didn't go to seminars to look good. I was not one of the facilitator wannabe attention sucks. I never needed a pat on the back from the facilitators nor from the other attendees. I didn't have a need to tell my story nor a desire to force others to hear what I thought of their story. I picked and chose from the seminars what I thought was useful and left the rest behind. What was useful to me then still is now. What I thought was garbage then, I still consider garbage now.
Judy
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"I didn't have a need to tell my story nor a desire to force others to hear what I thought of their story'"
Judy - so what changed? You've got a lot of "stories" now :rofl:
As for knowing when a loved one lies...not unless we're psychic. That makes NO sense at all.
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"my child never did lie all the time" - would you like to re-write this sentence?
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On 2003-08-31 00:07:00, Anonymous wrote:
""I didn't have a need to tell my story nor a desire to force others to hear what I thought of their story'"
Judy - so what changed? You've got a lot of "stories" now :rofl:
As for knowing when a loved one lies...not unless we're psychic. That makes NO sense at all. "
No, I haven't told my "story". I have replied to specific topics if I happen to have personal knowledge.
No, I don't have to be psychic to know when a loved one lies, it's called reasonable intelligence, common sense, critical thinking... But let me point out again that information in question came from Joan Davis and Eugenia Collins so I don't know why my child's honesty is being debated at all.
Judy
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Judy - reasonable intelligence, common sense, critical thinking...
Actually, I don't ALWAYS know when a loved one is being honest. I lived with a habitual liar, my ex husband, and it was hard to discern when he was telling the truth. Most of what I learned was that I chose to trust my gut feeling, and not base it on intelligence, common sense or critical thinking. That didn't work.
Didn't I read somewhere that some kids choose to do one course at a time as opposed to doing several? If that wasn't his choice, then the academic advisor may have seen a need to do it this way. I get that you questioned the lesson plan, but that may not be the whole story.
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On 2003-08-31 20:08:00, Anonymous wrote:
"Judy - reasonable intelligence, common sense, critical thinking...
Didn't I read somewhere that some kids choose to do one course at a time as opposed to doing several? If that wasn't his choice, then the academic advisor may have seen a need to do it this way. I get that you questioned the lesson plan, but that may not be the whole story. "
One more time..I am only replying with info I personally have so I am not referring to "some kids". Specifically, it was Ms. Collins' decision. My FR was merely the one who communicated the decision to me. Ms. Collins then confirmed that it was her decision. It's all very simple, no lines to read between, no assumptions to be made based on anything else read, posted, or imagined. I am always amazed at how program parents will second guess and try to cast a different light on something that those involved do not feel a need to defend. I am certain that Ms. Collins herself would not continue this dialogue but would confirm that this is correct. I assume that she did see "a need to do it this way". She and I strongly disagree on the appropriateness of her decision but we would agree on the specifics of the lesson plan and how it came about. You, however, choose to conclude that someone has to be lying when you have no information at all to base that on.
Judy
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Judy - is your child still there? Is so, maybe PURE can help you in the rescue. :wink:
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The students are required to do one subject at a time.They are required to complete a module, chapter,receive 80% or better before moving to the next chapter.6 hrs with a book,no teacher is a reasonably amount of time to self teach if that is at all possible.
Anon your information in supporting wwasp,critizing people who had lived the nightmare, is very limited.
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I do have experience with WWASPS. My son had 4-5 subjects per day. When he first got there he was only doing 2 because of his ADD and his past academic history. He worked into the 4-5 with great success. He did have to complete each chapter packet before getting another one, but it was not just 1 subject. He did say that some students are asked to do just one subject if they are struggling, but that's not the norm at all. I don't think there is anything wrong with questioning the teachers motives if you don't agree or don't understand. They want the student to be successful and sometimes that's what it takes. Passing with an 80% or higher is wonderful, that way they understand the content. My son's previous public school passed him to the 9th grade even though his grades were D's-F's.