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Treatment Abuse, Behavior Modification, Thought Reform => The Troubled Teen Industry => Topic started by: Anonymous on January 17, 2009, 11:30:46 PM
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Im a mother of a 15yr old boy...and he is slowly loosing his future...he is ditching classes, failing the ones he does attend and is smoking pot. Ive had the zero tolerance conversations, but I cant be with my son 24hrs a day to monitor what he is doing. Ive informed the school that he is buying drugs on campus, wont allow friends at our house, or him at theirs, but he still finds a way. Ive tried looking up any resources on line, but they consist of schools out of state and thousands of dollars. I believe my son is at the beginning of a very bad path and Im quite sure if I can find a "scared straight" program that will steer him onto a better path...unfortunately I cant find one...I saw one on the Maricopa Sherrif's website to SHARE tents but that program has been gone for over a year. Does anyone have any ideas or know of a place that I can refer my son to? PLEASE HELP!
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YOU ARE A HORRIBLE PARENT FOR EVEN ASKING SUCH A QUESTION.
YOU SHOULD OF NEVER HAD KIDS!
BAD KIDS COME FROM BAD PARENTING. I SUGGEST YOU TAKE A LONG HARD LOOK IN THE MIRROR AND COME TO TERMS WITH WHAT A LAME PARENT YOU TURNED OUT TO BE. GO ASK YOUR KID FORGIVENESS FOR BEING SUCH A SHITTY PARENT.
YOU ARE LUCKY YOUR KID IS ONLY SMOKING POT. IF I WAS YOUR KID I WOULD HAVE PROBABLY ALREADY KILLED MYSELF BY NOW. I DONT KNOW HOW YOUR KID CAN PUT UP WITH YOU WITH JUST A POT HIGH. THEY ARE PROBABLY DOING SOME SERIOUS DRUGS JUST TO COVER UP THE PAIN FROM BEING WHELPED OUT OF YOUR SORRY ASS LAME PARENTING RAGGEDY WRINKLED SMELLY OLD CUNT.
SOLUTION? KILL YOURSELF NOW AND LEAVE YOUR ESTATE TO YOUR SON ALONG WITH AN APOLOGY LETTER HOPING HIM TO HAVE A BETTER LIFE WITHOUT YOUR PRESENCE.
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Im a mother of a 15yr old boy...and he is slowly loosing his future...he is ditching classes, failing the ones he does attend and is smoking pot. Ive had the zero tolerance conversations, but I cant be with my son 24hrs a day to monitor what he is doing. Ive informed the school that he is buying drugs on campus, wont allow friends at our house, or him at theirs, but he still finds a way. Ive tried looking up any resources on line, but they consist of schools out of state and thousands of dollars. I believe my son is at the beginning of a very bad path and Im quite sure if I can find a "scared straight" program that will steer him onto a better path...unfortunately I cant find one...I saw one on the Maricopa Sherrif's website to SHARE tents but that program has been gone for over a year. Does anyone have any ideas or know of a place that I can refer my son to? PLEASE HELP!
Smells like troll but i will respond anyway.
Smoking pot is not the problem. Most times kids who have a hard time in school and who turn to a habitual usage of drugs are self medicating underlying issues and or mental disorders. A "scared straight" program is really the last place he will get adequate help for these problems. Have you noticed depression, isolation, social anxiety and or self esteem issues with your son in the past? These are all signs of underlying problems. Drugs don't do people, people do drugs and there is a reason why they start. Try addressing these possible mental health issues BEFORE you consider any further steps especially about placement in a treatment facility. Get him to see a youth therapist maybe even a psychiatrist if there is a diagnosis, but I STRONGLY recommend FAMILY COUNSELING. because your son is only a small part of the problem here, from what I can tell it is mostly how you relate to him.
Honestly lady, you need to realize that smoking pot in this day and age is NORMAL TEENAGE BEHAVIOR!! and weed is not this scary gateway drug that it was made out to be in the 70's, and I can bet you that this is not a bad habit he is most likely experimenting or using socially. You MUST realize that just smoking weed does not automatically mean he is headed down a "very bad path" honestly this hysteria that today's parents get caught up in is so maddening to me. I can't even tell you how many people I know who have smoked weed as a teen and turned out just fine. Weed is not "dope" anymore grandma, its a pretty typical thing these days and its well on its way to being legalized. Weed has no harmful side effects and serves a positive medicinal purpose. Think of it as an herbal approach to medicating many painful and depressive disorders. Odds actually are that it is helping him to improve his self esteem, relate to his peers and develop a harmonious self image. If the school work has become a problem because he prefers to socialize (and smoking weed is part of that) well, that's when the good ol parenting comes in. Sit down with him, have a talk... tell him you are concerned for his future and there could be life long consequences if he doesn't start making his education a priority. Talk to him about his dreams and hopes for the future basically "what he wants to be when he grows up" Talk to him about college and the economy and what its like to live on your own and support yourself, tell him he has to pay attention now and learn these skills or he will be left in the dust and stuck struggling to survive for the rest of his life. You need to parent your child not punish him and no they are not the same thing, earn his trust and give him some trust in return. Talk to him about his drug use, do not punish him for it, just talk to him about it, as to why he does it and how it makes him feel when he uses and if he uses with friends or alone... basically find out if hes self medicating and offer him to get help the legal way through a doctor and medication. I will say tho, if you are afraid of gateway drugs often the pharmaceutical drugs are FAR worse depending on the diagnosis. Most times some people are much better off smoking weed. There are more than plenty of adults who have learned how to use marijuana responsibly, and most others use a few times during their life and quit. Weed is not the devil, stop making it such a big deal and just keep an eye on how he chooses to handle this life lesson. STOP punishing him for such insignificant issues, you are only driving him away. I don't know how many teen years you have left with your son but believe me if you don't lighten up and start letting him live his life and make the mistakes he needs to make in order to learn his life lessons you will only find raising him to be much MUCH harder. The harder you push the more he will pull away from you and lose trust and love for you. These are your fears, misconceptions and control issues here it has nothing to do with his ability to grow through this phase in his life, and YOU are the one that needs to deal with that. DON'T screw up his whole life because you apparently don't know how to be a parent. and just a tid bit, NO, I don't do drugs not even weed. Yes, I have smoked weed as a teen and learned the lesson I was supposed to learn. Being a kid is exactly what he needs in order to get to the point where he chooses on his own not to use, and the more you try to force him to quit and especially if you send him to a program the more issues he will develop giving him MORE reason to want to smoke weed when hes 18.
You have NO reason to send your kid to a program, and futhermore coming here to ask us if there are any good programs is like going to a slaughterhouse looking for tofu. Don't expect a nicer response than this one either. :flame:
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Has the sheriff closed SMART tents (link to our datasheet) (http://http://wiki.fornits.com/index.php?title=Smart_Tents)?
The website is still up. Don't worry. In a country where one out of 100 are in prison and 1 of 8 has been in prison at one point in his or her life if the present strategy is kept, he doesn't need a program to learn him about prison. He will be there in due time.
Another thing. I suspect that you are a troll, if it isn't so then let me inform you.
Even parents on parent message boards know that a person, who don't acknowledge his or her addiction should be allowed to hit rock bottom. Using even a cent on rehab without this acknowledgment is waste of money. From a thread on one of these message boards (http://http://www.conductdisorders.com/forum/showthread.php?t=21855):
Quite honestly, all the rehab in the world won't help until he hits bottom and admits he has a problem. I am sorry.
Second he needs to accept that he has a problem or your money is wasted. No human can fix a problem they are not acknowledging.
Rehab will only work if your son wants it to work. If not, he will return to the same area and might begin using again.
There is only one thing you can help him with. You can avoid being an enabler! Give him your love, food and a place to feed but nothing else. No money, nothing else. Let him know that he can talk to you and you know. Addiction is something many people struggle with. In some businesses like the media business it seems that you cannot succeed without having at least one stint in rehab under your belt.
Back to your son: What if he continues to use regardless of the fact that you have outlined some household rules?
I would recommend that you leave some articles about the Nebraska laws lying around for him to discover. He needs to understand there are other places to live by his rules if he doesn't accept your rules. You don't need to waste your money to tell him that and a waste it would be until you are honest with him.
I guess that if you phoned an RTC tomorrow they will offer to transport him into their program sooner than yesterday, but remember they are in the business for profit. If you ran a businees you would properly recommed your services also.
I pray that you find the courage to level with your son and be a strong parent.
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Statistically, out of the kids who abuse drugs or alcohol during the teenage or early adult years (this is very common), the VAST majority will grow out of it. Here is an article by stanton peele intitled "don't panic - a parent's guide"
http://www.peele.net/lib/panic.html (http://www.peele.net/lib/panic.html)
He provides alternatives to treatment and warns against it: "Children need to be a part of the decision to seek treatment. Otherwise, parents are in a position of coercing their children. This kind of "tough love" can be a highly risky business: It strips children of their identities and attacks their insecure egos."
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He also write in the article:
"Inpatient treatment programs are rarely justified for children's healthy development.10 They can even harm children by giving them identities as alcoholics or substance abusers, and setting them up for relapse.11 The programs also foster relapse by isolating children in a setting that's very different from the setting they'll face outside treatment. This is the case for a parent who says, "My child does very well in treatment, but the second he comes home he heads right over to the local marijuana dealer's home.""
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You have NO reason to send your kid to a program, and futhermore coming here to ask us if there are any good programs is like going to a slaughterhouse looking for tofu.
:roflmao: :roflmao: :tup:
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Get and Read: "Help At Any Cost: How the Troubled-Teen Industry Cons Parents and Hurts Kids" Riverhead, 2006
http://www.helpatanycost.com/ (http://www.helpatanycost.com/)
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NO, I don't do drugs not even weed.
Don't you know that weed isn't a drug? It's just an herb, like parsley or mint.
On fornits you are required to give a quotation to prove you are right, so here is one that proves ME right:
I don't do drugs, though. Just weed.
Marijuana is not a drug. I used to suck dick for coke. Now that's an addiction. You ever suck some dick for marijuana?
There you have it. WEED IS MOST Definitely NOT A DRUG!
The allowable term is " herbal supplement ".
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SOLUTION? KILL YOURSELF NOW AND LEAVE YOUR ESTATE TO YOUR SON ALONG WITH AN APOLOGY LETTER HOPING HIM TO HAVE A BETTER LIFE WITHOUT YOUR PRESENCE.
I have a strong suspicion that the first two posts were written by the same person, but rofl anyway.
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SOLUTION? KILL YOURSELF NOW AND LEAVE YOUR ESTATE TO YOUR SON ALONG WITH AN APOLOGY LETTER HOPING HIM TO HAVE A BETTER LIFE WITHOUT YOUR PRESENCE.
I have a strong suspicion that the first two posts were written by the same person, but rofl anyway.
I'd have to agree. The timing of the two would seem to indicate as much.
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Or you could take a look at the book thewho use to push "What it takes to pull me through". This gives insight into the inside of the program day to day.
Its a little easier read.
http://http://www.davemarcus.com/
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SOLUTION? KILL YOURSELF NOW AND LEAVE YOUR ESTATE TO YOUR SON ALONG WITH AN APOLOGY LETTER HOPING HIM TO HAVE A BETTER LIFE WITHOUT YOUR PRESENCE.
I have a strong suspicion that the first two posts were written by the same person, but rofl anyway.
I'd have to agree. The timing of the two would seem to indicate as much.
WRONG! WRONG! WRONG! :beat:
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Martha is a DIRTY WHORE!
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Yea, that's sad. Who really comes to an anti-program site looking for a recommendation and insists on placing a child in a program. You would think that there is enough information on these forums and on the internet as a whole that would be able to lead even the stupidest parents away from this decision. This really pisses me off, just the reasoning she has to send him away, coupled with her ignorance being as it obvious she is landing in the right place for information yet STILL decides to do it. I'd just like to put it out there that this woman COMPLETELY proves my theory that the epic hysteria of today's parents is the only reason these programs still exist. If it weren't for this woman's psychotic control issues this kid would have never been doomed to endure the massive amount of psychological damage that is headed his way right now. I can only hope that by some miracle this ?Ben Franklin A?cademy is a far cry from the programs we all know to be abusive.
My heart goes out to her son, but hes probably better off in a program than growing up around this psycho bitch. ::unhappy::
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it appears to be a day school (non residential), that specifically claims to not take students from wilderness or troubled teen programs. students spend half the day working on schoolwork and the other half on work-study, at a job they find themselves. 'bout the only coercive thing I could find (which doesn't mean that it doesn't exist) is the random drug-testing.
http://www.benfranklinacademy.org/ (http://www.benfranklinacademy.org/)
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(01:16:22) (209983): I'm gonna call bullshit. how would TheWho contact Martha to refer her there?
(01:17:01) (209983): Seh neever registered (so no PMs), left no contact information and TheWho didn't post a "contact me" note.
Nice going calling her names, Femanon. If by some slim chance she was a real parent (and not the same poster as the first response) and by some slim chance she didn't place her kid in a program before now...
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I have never been treated so badly in my life! I am going to put my kid in a program to spite you all!
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I have never been treated so badly in my life! I am going to put my kid in a program to spite you all!
after a program...they are mean and messed up from being treated far worse than you could ever be treated here!
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You should see how bad Dylan turned out. Even his own mother can't stand him, because his mom is a BITCH.
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You should see how bad Dylan turned out. Even his own mother can't stand him, because his mom is a BITCH.
I think it's fairly clear who'se trolling here now. Go kill youself, Kev.
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I think it's fairly clear SATAN is a BITCH.
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I think it's fairly clear SATAN is a BITCH.
Touchy, Kev, are ya?
DANCE you epilectic little wigger, DANCE
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Xb_0tw75LhM (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Xb_0tw75LhM)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1Bkxtl19ig0 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1Bkxtl19ig0)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=guzJWQXVxaw (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=guzJWQXVxaw)
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Do you think if kev knew how many of us are getting a giggle out of his obvious lack of intelligence that he would just go ahead and commit suicide?
:dose:
A girl can dream cant she? lol.
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Kev's got some mad dancing skillz! He is so sexy, I love the part in the third video where he takes his shirt off. Damn he's HOT!
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Do you think if kev knew how many of us are getting a giggle out of his obvious lack of intelligence that he would just go ahead and commit suicide?
:dose:
A girl can dream cant she? lol.
would you really be happy if kevin killed himself? i dont think i would be and it would be depressing to hear of another one. suicide is a sensitive subject with survivors.... im not sure its the appropriate thing to be joking about really. i cant only talk for myself but i dont find it funny.
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would you really be happy if kevin killed himself? i dont think i would be and it would be depressing to hear of another one. suicide is a sensitive subject with survivors.... im not sure its the appropriate thing to be joking about really. i cant only talk for myself but i dont find it funny.
In Kev's case, it would be a favor to humanity; but then again, i'm Satan. I also think genocide is a feasible solution to the 12 stepper infestation. This would get rid of 90% of programs as well as 90% of the program supporters. Nuking Utah would take care of the other 10%.
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ooooooooooh lol I think its pretty obvious now that this troll is an imposter, not kev, just someone making posts that would lead us to assume its kev.
thats pretty sad that you have to troll as a kev-troll.
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Do you think if kev knew how many of us are getting a giggle out of his obvious lack of intelligence that he would just go ahead and commit suicide?
:dose:
A girl can dream cant she? lol.
would you really be happy if kevin killed himself?
Happy? no.
Giggly? yes.
But that's neither here nor there, I'll retract my previous statements on the grounds that it doesnt look like kev is really the one trolling here, in fact I'll give a round of applause for whoever is because you really had me fooled for a second.
but, unfortunately your still a doosh, so I guess the joke will always be on you.
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i am the real Martha,i come here looking for help,you have to be a complete moron not to see my state of desperation and i am disrespected and mocked by more than one person and someone steals my identity and posts in my name!!!!
thank you to the people who responded in an appropiate manner.
i feel so lost right now,i wish i had the money to hire an educational consultant to guide me...
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i am the real Martha,i come here looking for help,you have to be a complete moron not to see my state of desperation and i am disrespected and mocked by more than one person and someone steals my identity and posts in my name!!!!
thank you to the people who responded in an appropiate manner.
i feel so lost right now,i wish i had the money to hire an educational consultant to guide me...
Educational consultants can get paid by the programs they refer to and they don't have to tell you (this is common practice, almost customary in this industry). In that sense, you can't trust them or anybody who might be referring you to a program. There is no guarantee with so called "IECA" members either, as that organization does not enforce (and has no way to enforce) it's "ethical guidelines".
I would recommend concentrating less on the drug usage and more on what is up with your son that is causing his erratic behavior. A large part of growing up is being rebellious and doing crazy things. I was rebellious and did crazy things when I was growing up, probably more so than your son, but I grew out of it eventually. It's a teen's way of seperating from an adult and demonstrating independence. There are healthy ways of doing that and there are unhealthy ways. The key is not to force things, but provide opportunities for your son to express his independence in a healthy manner. What are his interests?
In any case, do not panic!
You might want to check out and read this link:
http://www.peele.net/lib/panic.html (http://www.peele.net/lib/panic.html)
Drug use among teens is VERY common. Out of those who use (or even abuse) drugs, very very few have the "problem" later in life. The idea that drug use is a "progressive disease" is fallacious. For the most part, it's often a coping mechism for an underlying issue. Treating the symptom by enforcing an identity of "drug addict" does nothing but create a self fulfilling and self destructive prophecy.
A final note: please understand that this board is for the most part unmoderated. This means anybody can post here. Some are bitter at their parents who sent them to abusive programs and some are industry members trying to scare you out of here. Anything is possible. Fornits is a "biker bar". Read here for a brief introduction to this forum:
viewtopic.php?f=22&t=26332&start=0&st=0&sk=t&sd=a (http://www.fornits.com/phpbb/viewtopic.php?f=22&t=26332&start=0&st=0&sk=t&sd=a)
If you find it difficult to talk here, or find yourself too offended, there are moderated sections of this forum where you can ask questions without fear of being attacked, such as the facilities questions and answers forum (http://http://www.fornits.com/phpbb/viewforum.php?f=52) and the CAN forum (http://http://www.fornits.com/phpbb/viewforum.php?f=59). There is also a moderated forum on this site (http://http://troubled-teen-industry.com/) where you can ask questions.
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If you cant afford an ed con what makes you think you'll be able to afford a good rehab?
Consider the times lady, the economy is tanking an so are these schools. They will charge you more for less these days simply because they bank on the fact that desperate parents who have money are so dead set on controlling/ changing/ helping/ punishing their child that they will do whatever it takes to send them away. Unfortunately, (especially in your case) there are parent who know there are significant dangers and many many reports of abuse and mistreatment and they FORCE this upon their children anyway.
I can understand the desperation that results from the fear that many parents have for their teen's future but that does not excuse them for ignoring the information available to them and choose to place their child in a private prison. Why is it so hard to keep their kids at home and do their best to raise them?? WHY has it become acceptable to send your kid to another state or country to let people you don't know raise your child for you?? How could that possibly be okay? because you hope that the ends justifies the means? Well the downside of that is that statistically, the ends screw up any possibility of achieving an agreeable means.
Your son will be fine. give him time, love and support. Do NOT send him to a program. I cant say this any nicer, and if you refuse to take that advice then I honestly hope you get scared off and never come back. WTF are you doing posting here anyway? This isn't a site that would ever offer you help in finding a program, WE ARE AN ANTI-PROGRAM SITE. Why is this not obvious to you? Either you are incredibly ignorant or you are just a troll. Either way I'm done wasting my time.
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Martha if you want to talk to a former program staff member about what goes on in a large nationally known program drop me a line. I can talk to you on skype or what not.
dan_the_chainsawman@yahoo.com
other than that I suggest you register so it becomes harder for people to pretend they are you.
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You should see how bad Dylan turned out. Even his own mother can't stand him, because his mom is a BITCH.
Not sure how you came to the conclusion that I can't stand my son, but I understand that you only have a 40 watt bulb in a 100 watt socket, so I make exceptions for people like you.
Keep at it Kev.....maybe I have a few surprises in store for YOU...lol! Never underestimate what a drug crazed, terrible parent, "Xanny Popin Pammy", is capable of...she is a lunatic! :nods: :ftard:
Please refer to my other post regarding my status as a BITCH - stand in line! Don't like it much when you everyone just blows you off like a swatted fly, do ya?
Go back & dance by yourself in your garage and save us all from your childish posts....then again, YOU DO provide entertainment value :jamin:
Again..relevance to this thread???? :wall:
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By acknowledging his presence you only encourage him.
Don't feed the trolls.
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Couple of sites to look over. I will paste you more later:
Dont jump into anything, look over fornits and some of the links I have provided and then click the last link when you feel you need more answers.
Good luck Martha
Home solution (http://http://parentteenguide.com/index.html?src=google&kw=struggling+teens&gclid=CNjYwdTdmpgCFQrFGgodwnf7mQ)
Wilderness (http://http://www.mhyr.com/?gclid=CKbX4ozfmpgCFQO5GgodsHrFmA)
Sample Program (http://http://www.ironwoodmaine.com/)
Educational Consultants (http://http://www.educationalconsulting.org/cfm_PublicSearch/pg_PublicSearch.cfm?mode=execute)
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Martha,
I , too, was the mother of a 15 year old son that "was going down a bad path" and made the decision to send him to one of these programs, Casa by the Sea. This facility is now closed, but another one has opened in the same general area. Although I pulled him after 60 days back in 2003, the damage had already been done. Sending him to one of these schools/programs is a decision that I will regret for the rest of my life!
As suggested by the other poster, try and talk WITH your son...not AT him. If you want to talk to a mother that was in a similar situation, feel free to send me an email with WWASP in the subject line to pam@er-ltd.com and I will get in touch with you. Posting too much info on these forums is not always a good idea.
I hope to hear from you. Best of luck to you.
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Couple of sites to look over. I will paste you more later:
Dont jump into anything, look over fornits and some of the links I have provided and then click the last link when you feel you need more answers.
Good luck Martha
Home solution (http://http://parentteenguide.com/index.html?src=google&kw=struggling+teens&gclid=CNjYwdTdmpgCFQrFGgodwnf7mQ)
Wilderness (http://http://www.mhyr.com/?gclid=CKbX4ozfmpgCFQO5GgodsHrFmA)
Sample Program (http://http://www.ironwoodmaine.com/)
Educational Consultants (http://http://www.educationalconsulting.org/cfm_PublicSearch/pg_PublicSearch.cfm?mode=execute)
That first "Home Solutions" link is registered to someone out of Utah:
Domain name: PARENTTEENGUIDE.COM
Registrant Contact:
Parent Teen Guide, LLC
Todd O'Neil ()
Fax:
947 North 1760 West
Provo, UT 84604
US
Administrative Contact:
Parent Teen Guide, LLC
Todd O'Neil (help@parentteenguide.com (http://mailto:help@parentteenguide.com))
+1.8015555555
Fax: +1.8015555555
947 North 1760 West
Provo, UT 84604
US
Status: Locked
Name Servers:
dns1.name-services.com
dns2.name-services.com
dns3.name-services.com
dns4.name-services.com
dns5.name-services.com
Creation date: 20 Feb 2004 22:29:19
Expiration date: 20 Feb 2009 22:29:19
http://www.networksolutions.com/whois-s ... nguide.com (http://www.networksolutions.com/whois-search/parentteenguide.com)
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Couple of sites to look over. I will paste you more later:
Dont jump into anything, look over fornits and some of the links I have provided and then click the last link when you feel you need more answers.
Good luck Martha
Home solution (http://http://parentteenguide.com/index.html?src=google&kw=struggling+teens&gclid=CNjYwdTdmpgCFQrFGgodwnf7mQ)
Wilderness (http://http://www.mhyr.com/?gclid=CKbX4ozfmpgCFQO5GgodsHrFmA)
Sample Program (http://http://www.ironwoodmaine.com/)
Educational Consultants (http://http://www.educationalconsulting.org/cfm_PublicSearch/pg_PublicSearch.cfm?mode=execute)
Martha, I tend to agree with "antsy Pam". I wouldnt give out too much information on this unsecure website or contact anyone you do not know. Something we typically tell our kids but sometimes forget to heed to ourselves. Check out the video on the 3rd link I provided (I really like their web site, they did a nice job).
I have 3 children myself and one thing we know as parents is that we cannot choose a parenting style that will insure a desired outcome. We can only do the best we can and the rest is up to the child and sometimes they need more help then we can provide. This is not a failure on your part, Martha, as you will see thru the links I have provided.
Look thru fornits and note the schools that are being talked about here. (There are good and bad solutions). Call "antsy Pam" if you feel comfortable (careful about giving out personal information to anyone, though). Then when you are ready and would like more answers or speak with parents in similar situation as yourself just click on the last link I have provided and ask for KathyS or use refernce number 918C or 913C
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...And the wilderness program is Mountain Homes Youth Ranch... in Colarado, but started by and pretty much staffed by more Utah connections. Apparently this place is a real favorite as determined by Dr. Phil.
The sample program is Ironwood, in Maine. Probably not a place "KathyS" would send her own kids to, if she's smart.
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Couple of sites to look over. I will paste you more later:
Dont jump into anything, look over fornits and some of the links I have provided and then click the last link when you feel you need more answers.
Good luck Martha
Home solution (http://http://parentteenguide.com/index.html?src=google&kw=struggling+teens&gclid=CNjYwdTdmpgCFQrFGgodwnf7mQ)
Wilderness (http://http://www.mhyr.com/?gclid=CKbX4ozfmpgCFQO5GgodsHrFmA)
Sample Program (http://http://www.ironwoodmaine.com/)
Educational Consultants (http://http://www.educationalconsulting.org/cfm_PublicSearch/pg_PublicSearch.cfm?mode=execute)
Martha. Please ignore the vultures trying to sell you shit. This type of thing is VERY common.
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just click on the last link I have provided and ask for KathyS or use refernce number 918C or 913C
Seems real nice, doesn't it? The reference number is so she can get her kickback for selling your kid.
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Martha, I tend to agree with "antsy Pam". I wouldnt give out too much information on this unsecure website or contact anyone you do not know. Something we typically tell our kids but sometimes forget to heed to ourselves.
LOL. And yet she asks Martha to do just that.
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Martha, One way to recognize an unsecured site is one which tracks down your personal information and then posts it for others to see which can be extremely dangerous. This can occur by just emailing someone also, so be careful about who you email or accept emails from. You are better off corresponding thru a website which keeps your information private.
I posted information for you to review but fornits attempted to track down my personal information as you can see a few posts above this one, I didnt realize fornits was like that. They can do this to you also since this site is unsecured. If you enter any reputable site your identity is safe and there are built in procedures which keeps your identity private. The links I provided are secure sites for you to visit. You will see when you enter them there is no personal information of other visitors there. I would be a little nervous about contacting anyone here on fornits. I didn’t realize they did that here.
Type this into your Google bar directly instead of using the links I provided. This will be safer http://www.educationalconsulting.org (http://www.educationalconsulting.org)
KathyS
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Beware, the paranoids are watching you! ^^^ :deal: ::poke:: :timeout:
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Martha, I tend to agree with "antsy Pam". I wouldnt give out too much information on this unsecure website or contact anyone you do not know. Something we typically tell our kids but sometimes forget to heed to ourselves.
LOL. And yet she asks Martha to do just that.
I know, right? It's funny to see these ed-cons come on here with their dis-information, these attempts to sway parents into their seedy pockets by spreading fear and distrust. I find it amusing because it is doubtful that Miss Antsy Pam will buy into their bs. :seg: :nods: :twofinger:
love ya, KathyS, have a seat! :rofl: :twofinger: :roflmao:
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Martha...
Again.. If you want to talk to a former staff member of a national program drop me a line at my personal email. If you are worried about your privacy being violated you should get a yahoo email address. Anyone with a lick of sense will be able to tell you that tracing them involves such an absurd amount of technical expertise that the very notion is mind numbing.
http://www.ieca.on.nimp.com (http://www.ieca.on.nimp.com) for epic lulz.
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The sad part is all you people believe Martha is a real person.
This is the oldest fornits troll in the book, and it still works. It's not even really that funny any more, just pathetic and sad. I take that back, it's still a little funny.
Lol@ "martha"... good job with the free comedy thread. :notworthy:
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I've seen the good and bad of programs
What exactly is "the good" of programs?
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The part where the kid goes home.
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They can do this to you also since this site is unsecured. If you enter any reputable site your identity is safe and there are built in procedures which keeps your identity private.
If this cite weren't secure, your IP address would be splattered all over, but the anonymity even applies to ed-con artists such as yourself. Quit trying to use the forum to push your business. On second thought, go ahead and continue. It makes you look like the vulture you are.
@Martha: Please read up about educational consultants. I recommend you either read "help at any cost" by Maia Szalavitz or read the article "Understanding the Con Game" by Kathy Moya:
http://troubled-teen-industry.com/news/ ... e-con-game (http://troubled-teen-industry.com/news/60-understanding-the-con-game)
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Martha, One way to recognize an unsecured site is one which tracks down your personal information and then posts it for others to see which can be extremely dangerous. This can occur by just emailing someone also, so be careful about who you email or accept emails from. You are better off corresponding thru a website which keeps your information private.
I posted information for you to review but fornits attempted to track down my personal information as you can see a few posts above this one, I didnt realize fornits was like that. They can do this to you also since this site is unsecured. If you enter any reputable site your identity is safe and there are built in procedures which keeps your identity private. The links I provided are secure sites for you to visit. You will see when you enter them there is no personal information of other visitors there. I would be a little nervous about contacting anyone here on fornits. I didn’t realize they did that here.
Nobody in the site's administration tracked you down. You provided a link to your site (parentteenguide.com). IT turns out that link is to a WWASP affiliated program advertisement site. By googling a phone number on that page (http://http://www.google.fr/search?q=888-517-9625) it is revealed that it shares the same nubmer as many other wwasp affilated websites (in other words, your website is a WWASP front and you are one of their uber-ethical "salespeople" (who gets a grand kickback for every child enrollment or a month's free tuition)).
Another number on that webpage, when googled (http://http://www.google.fr/search?q=866-404-7111), reveals to be the same as one for "intellipute", an IT service is fairly vague about what it actually does. The contact information on that webpage states "call 1-866-404-7111 to sign up today. E-mail: kathy@intellipute.net · Pay me securely with your Visa or MasterCard"
Nobody who administers this site invaded your privacy in any way. You came on here trying to sell something and got upset when the populace of this forum tried to investigate what, exactly you were selling and what is your agenda. Oh boo hoo. You got exposed as a WWAPS con artist. Waaaah.
@Martha: Information on WWASP and how they operate here:
http://www.isaccorp.org/wwasps.asp (http://www.isaccorp.org/wwasps.asp)
There are thousands of websites out there affiliated with WWASP, spamming the web with a scattergun approach, trying to appear "independent" when in reality, they're all under the same umbrealla. It's the type of fradulent misrepresentation in advertising that is oh so VERY common in this industry. All your son is to these people is a paycheck. Beware of anybody trying to sell you something or refer you to any school. It is VERY likely they are gettign paid by the school for the referral (in WWASP's case it's a thousand dollars a head, or a free months tuition (many parents are recruited into this MLM (pyramid) scheme.))
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I just called both those numbers (and recorded the calls). Turns out they both transfer to "teen solutions" (wwasp). Watch out Martha! This is the kind of thing that goes on in this industry.
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bwahahahahahahahahahahahaha....
Peace out kathy..
owned...
someone get this shit to the danes to go up on the fornits wiki. We can title it the, "Guest vs. Kathy War".
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Thank you , Guest, that is probably as close to an apology as I am going to get. Two things at this point, Martha:
1. The point was made to read as much as you can on the subject which I agree whole heartedly. Here on fornits you will get mostly the negative views on boarding schools. Try to remember the names of the schools as you come away from this site with the feeling that every kid does awful, they are merely a handful compared to the industry as a whole. You should then look at and speak with families who have benefitted from boarding schools. These schools are not for everyone and there is an acceptance process to determine if your child can be helped, but there are people available to help you thru this process so you will not be alone. These people can and will provide you with positive and negative views on the industry to allow you to make the best decision for your family
2. The problems you are seeing with me being on this site is a "red flag". Fornits does not welcome people who see boarding schools as helpful, as I and most others do. Reputable sites, as you probably know, do not attack people who have opposing opinions and post peoples personal information. I can give you names of sites where there is open discussion by people who have attended boarding schools where your information is also secure. I don’t think fornits would want you seeing both sides of the issue because it would show they are not being very truthful with you. Be wary of secrecy and withholding of information; gather as much information as you can before making a decision which will affect your entire family.
KathyS
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If fornits can keep these ed con(artist)s busy with phony parents asking for help, where is the harm in that. I wish all ed cons were as gullible and willing to waste their time as this Kathy is. More props to "Martha", you scored with this one for sure.
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Thank you , Guest, that is probably as close to an apology as I am going to get. Two things at this point, Martha:
1. The point was made to read as much as you can on the subject which I agree whole heartedly. Here on fornits you will get mostly the negative views on boarding schools. Try to remember the names of the schools as you come away from this site with the feeling that every kid does awful, they are merely a handful compared to the industry as a whole.
Ok. Mention a "good" program. The proof is in the pudding if you say they exist, go ahead and list one. I'm not asking for many... Just one.
I'll tell you why it's unlikely why many good boarding schools exist: corruption. The widespread tendency of educational consultants an other referral artists to take kickbacks from certain schools ensures that if there was an ethical one that did not pay this "baksheesh", they would go under. But that's just a theory based on observation. Even the IECA, which claims to have ethical guidelines cannot and does not enforce them. Who benefits from this false sense of security? Both the schools and the educational consultants, operating in a symbiotic "cartel" relationship. Again. I impore you, Kathy. If you say "good" programs exists, go ahead and list one.
You should then look at and speak with families who have benefitted from boarding schools.
Absolutely. The referral services will be more than glad to provide you with a list of parents with good experiences. Notice how few they are compared to how many must have gone through the program. Notice how few actual students are listed with first hand experience in the programs (such as many of those here, both staff, parents, and students).
These schools are not for everyone and there is an acceptance process to determine if your child can be helped, but there are people available to help you thru this process so you will not be alone.
Sure there is an acceptance process, but it's made sure that nobody is ever rejected. What usually happens is a referral service/ed-con/pyramid-scheme-parent will send you a (completely "scientific") "test"; a series of questions to apply to your child. I would ask you this if you get such a test: go around your neighborhood and ask parents to fill out that test as an anonymous survey. I guarantee 80-90% of them will end up labeling thier kids as "troubled" as a result. It's a rigged system. After all, if your kid isn't "troubled", they don't get their cut!
The problems you are seeing with me being on this site is a "red flag". Fornits does not welcome people who see boarding schools as helpful, as I and most others do. Reputable sites, as you probably know, do not attack people who have opposing opinions and post peoples personal information.
The site isn't attacking, you. Individual posters may have. What you would call a "reputable" site is one where all negative or dissenting opinions are deleted or edited out, leaving the illusion that everybody has had a good experience with programs. This illusion is naturally profitible to those who are in charge of the site and are selling referrals. Here is the only truly "free" place on the web can speak any and every opinion imaginable without fear of somebody in charge with a vested interest deleting or editing their post. There is nobody here making sure programs get bad reputations. It's happened naturally.
I can give you names of sites where there is open discussion by people who have attended boarding schools where your information is also secure.
Really? Open discussion you say? Would I be allowed to discuss my views? What you're asking this parent to do is to step into your "bubble" where you control communication. Through controlling the commerce of ideas you control what ideas can be shared, and thus how and what people can think. Again. If the site is so open, would I be allowed in. I have attended a "boarding school" as have many others here. Pam is a parent, as is Buzzkill and many others. Would they be allowed? Would the former staff members on this site be allowed?
I don’t think fornits would want you seeing both sides of the issue because it would show they are not being very truthful with you.
But as i've shown above. Fornits is the only place where you can get both sides of the issue. After all you're here. You just want this parent to step into a place where we're not, and "our kind" is not allowed (those who have had bad experiences with programs).
Be wary of secrecy and withholding of information;
I totally agree. So take this woman's advice and be aware of what a "secret club" you are going to if you join her secret, private, discussion forum.
Also, Martha. You might want to read the GAO's report on deceptive marketing in this industry:
http://www.gao.gov/cgi-bin/getrpt?GAO-08-713T (http://www.gao.gov/cgi-bin/getrpt?GAO-08-713T)
Their report on abuse:
http://www.gao.gov/new.items/d08146t.pdf (http://www.gao.gov/new.items/d08146t.pdf)
The FTC has a similar warning to parents:
http://www.ftc.gov/bcp/edu/pubs/consume ... pro27.shtm (http://www.ftc.gov/bcp/edu/pubs/consumer/products/pro27.shtm)
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Aw, the slimy ed-con loses another sale...too bad!
Thanks to the above guest for that very telling exposé, and to those diligently refuting the LIES of this salesperson of ABUSE!!
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WWASP hack comment: I can give you names of sites where there is open discussion by people who have attended boarding schools where your information is also secure.
PSY responds: Really? Open discussion you say? Would I be allowed to discuss my views? What you're asking this parent to do is to step into your "bubble" where you control communication. Through controlling the commerce of ideas you control what ideas can be shared, and thus how and what people can think. Again. If the site is so open, would I be allowed in. I have attended a "boarding school" as have many others here. Pam is a parent, as is Buzzkill and many others. Would they be allowed? Would the former staff members on this site be allowed?
BuzzKill here.
No - I am not allowed on these wwasp forum boards. I was, until I began asking certain non-supporting questions about the program. Can't have any real discussion going on, on those boards. People might actually begin to think for themselves again.
And even Lon, who I always thought I got along with OK, even tho we have very strong differences of opinion, won't allow me on his forum. I guess its bad for business to have it pointed out that there are such serious problems in the private for profit troubled teen industry.
Martha - I can't imagine for the life of me what made you think this was a forum where you could ask for a program referral and not get a truck load of crap dumped on you - but I for one am glad you stopped in. If you are having problems with your son you need above all to educate yourself. You can't do that in the insular, strictly censored little world of the programed true believers. As wild and crude as it may be here - this is where you will learn about the realities.
I will restate my eariler advice:
Get and read Help at Any Cost, how the troubled teen industry con's parents and hurts kids.
And as someone else mentioned: http://www.isaccorp.org (http://www.isaccorp.org)
ISAC offers a great collection of helpful links to many other sites. And they maintain a most valuable collection of information on the industry in general and many programs and ed cons.
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Epic troll is fucking epic.
11/10 A++++++ would read again!
Protip: Both Martha and Kathy are in on it and getting their lulz in.
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getting worse,my son got suspended from school today,was caught passing his gf midol and was also found to be in possession of a crack pipe and various sleep aids,yelp.
he was charged in regards to possessing the crack pipe,sigh.
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Passing MIDOL????!! :roflmao:
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Martha, One way to recognize an unsecured site is one which tracks down your personal information and then posts it for others to see which can be extremely dangerous. This can occur by just emailing someone also, so be careful about who you email or accept emails from. You are better off corresponding thru a website which keeps your information private.
I posted information for you to review but fornits attempted to track down my personal information as you can see a few posts above this one, I didnt realize fornits was like that. They can do this to you also since this site is unsecured. If you enter any reputable site your identity is safe and there are built in procedures which keeps your identity private. The links I provided are secure sites for you to visit. You will see when you enter them there is no personal information of other visitors there. I would be a little nervous about contacting anyone here on fornits. I didn’t realize they did that here.
Nobody in the site's administration tracked you down. You provided a link to your site (parentteenguide.com). IT turns out that link is to a WWASP affiliated program advertisement site. By googling a phone number on that page (http://http://www.google.fr/search?q=888-517-9625) it is revealed that it shares the same nubmer as many other wwasp affilated websites (in other words, your website is a WWASP front and you are one of their uber-ethical "salespeople" (who gets a grand kickback for every child enrollment or a month's free tuition)).
Another number on that webpage, when googled (http://http://www.google.fr/search?q=866-404-7111), reveals to be the same as one for "intellipute", an IT service is fairly vague about what it actually does. The contact information on that webpage states "call 1-866-404-7111 to sign up today. E-mail: kathy@intellipute.net · Pay me securely with your Visa or MasterCard"
Nobody who administers this site invaded your privacy in any way. You came on here trying to sell something and got upset when the populace of this forum tried to investigate what, exactly you were selling and what is your agenda. Oh boo hoo. You got exposed as a WWAPS con artist. Waaaah.
@Martha: Information on WWASP and how they operate here:
http://www.isaccorp.org/wwasps.asp (http://www.isaccorp.org/wwasps.asp)
There are thousands of websites out there affiliated with WWASP, spamming the web with a scattergun approach, trying to appear "independent" when in reality, they're all under the same umbrealla. It's the type of fradulent misrepresentation in advertising that is oh so VERY common in this industry. All your son is to these people is a paycheck. Beware of anybody trying to sell you something or refer you to any school. It is VERY likely they are gettign paid by the school for the referral (in WWASP's case it's a thousand dollars a head, or a free months tuition (many parents are recruited into this MLM (pyramid) scheme.))
wow, good work guest. So, is this KathyS person this person:
call 1-866-404-7111 to sign up today. E-mail: kathy@intellipute.net · Pay me securely with your Visa or MasterCard"
Wonder why Kathy would refer to a wwasp program?
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As predicted, the bastards have perverted Wraparound treatment. A mobile BM program, basically. That shit will fail massively, the kids are on their home turf.