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Treatment Abuse, Behavior Modification, Thought Reform => The Troubled Teen Industry => Topic started by: Anonymous on August 04, 2003, 09:44:00 AM
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As part of the WWASPS family, I am here to help you bettre understand how WWASPS has saved so many people and families like my child.
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As far as most of the people here are concerned, you are a criminal.
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The mobs said the same thing about Jesus and John the babtist.
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We will be here for a time to come.
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What on earth is a "Babtist"?
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A little desceplene could have help both these boys a bit (Jesus and Jon, that is). After all they both did get gurt in the end or dont you remember/
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What is a BMW? Pardon my ignorance!
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When I was on the BBS, a BMW was a Bitchen', Moanin', whiner.
Any group of people suggesting negative thoughts about, or suggesting negative actions by the program, were also Chattering Pigs.
This is a common Cult tactic used to keep members in line. We are the enlightened ones - They are the - fill in the blank - but it is always derogatory and unpleasant - something no one wants to be. So, not wanting to be labeled a BMW or a Chattering Pig - you avoid speaking out or expressing anything negative about the Cult/Program.
Its human nature to want to belong to a group. Many people today feel disconnected and detached - and alone. This makes them prime targets for cult recruitment.
The program takes advantage of the same psychology, and uses it in exactly the same way to keep the parents in line.
And yes, Jesus and John had their troubles. Not from bucking authority; But Rather from speaking with authority. Men are often displeased with what God has to say, and often react very badly.
And even so, you are forgetting the victory that followed the defeat.
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The victory? Jesus said love thy neighbor and then the christians spent the last 2000 years killing people by the millions to prove it.
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This thread was CLEARLY not started by a WWASP person. It was started by someone who feels a little threatened, maybe, and wants to make it look like WWASP parents look like morons, which, I highly doubt they are. It's not even a good TRY. I'm anxious to see what this person will write next?? Besides Visions groups don't have a MISSION. THey have goals...So try another thread that says Visions Goals, you'd be more believable.
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Nope, they don't have MISSIONS - they have Goals and LEGACY projects - like a National Family Day or raising money for Breast Cancer Awareness - that IS criminal!
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Anon wrote:
A little desceplene could have help both these boys a bit (Jesus and Jon, that is). After all they both did get gurt in the end or dont you remember/
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You are so wrong if you think discipline will prevent one from getting hurt. I imagine you actually meant that both died in the end.
I imagine that either of these icons would do it all again, die for their truth.
Program people's problem is that they fear death. They fear life. They fear teens. There are lots worse things that can happen to a person than death. Like being incarecerated and abused, having your heart ripped out, your mind twisted and confused. In effect, one is dead when their heart and mind is not their own.
No, discipline would not have saved either from the ignorance of the terrified masses.
Deborah
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On 2003-08-05 19:16:00, Deborah wrote:
Program people's problem is that they fear death. They fear life. They fear teens. There are lots worse things that can happen to a person than death. Like being incarecerated and abused, having your heart ripped out, your mind twisted and confused. In effect, one is dead when their heart and mind is not their own.
No, discipline would not have saved either from the ignorance of the terrified masses.
Deborah"
:scared: Who's in FEAR?? "BEEP" WRONG ANSWER - Tag YOU'RE IT!! Looks like PURE owns YOUR mind!!
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Fearing death, fearing life, fearing love, and fearing most of all the loss of control, we create social rules and institutions that mirror our fears and reinforce our destructive behaviors. Having surrounded ourselves with images of ourselves, and having silenced all others, we can now pretend that the false-front world we've created is instead the world we've been given. We can pertend the world is a very dangerous place, where dogs eat dogs, where children and others must be beaten into submission, where a fierce struggle takes place in which only the strongest, meanest, most unethical and hateful survive, and ultimately where we die alone and afraid. Any threat to this illusion must be annihilated before it reminds us of what we've lost, what we've destroyed, and of what could have been.
What do you do, how tired do you get, when each day you struggle against an entire culture [Industry] based on the normalization of trauma-inducing behavior? There is no sanctuary.
~~Derrick Jensen
No one owns my mind. There are a few that share my perception of realtiy and vision of a better world.. which does not include abusive programs or any of those who might collude with the Industry.
Deborah
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Fear is a choice. Sometimes conscious, sometimes an internal response to danger, but it's still a choice.
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FUCK THE PROGRAM AND FUCK WWASP!!! FUCK YOU MOTHERFUCKERS!!!! YOU GUYS SHOULD DIE IN HELL FUCKING BITCHES!!! FUCK YOU!!!!
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The Anon Guru wrote:
Fear is a choice. Sometimes conscious, sometimes an internal response to danger, but it's still a choice.
Tell the little girl who trembles in terror as her mother rages toward her that fear is a choice. Or the little boy whose father has just slipped into his room to have his way with him. Or the children frozen to the sofa waiting for their beatings from dad for the trouble they caused mom, that fear is a choice.
Tell the teen who was handed over to complete strangers and isolated from the world that fear is a choice. Tell the teen who hasn't spoken to anyone they love for months on end, that fear is a choice, as their arm is being twisted to a breaking point, or a 300# counselor is lying on their back as they draw their last breath, or they're sitting in the blazing sun in Utah fading into unconsciousness, or they're dying of a perforated ulcer while being told they are faking their symptoms. I'm sure they would appreciate your one-liner solution to the world's problems.
It takes a hell of alot of time and reevaluation to get over early traumas, before one can sleep through a bump in the night, before one can remember that anger expressed by another will not lead to violence, before one can consciously choose to react differently. The key being consciously.
Pop-psych or new age one-liners do not magically dispell the atrocities from one's memory or one's future reactions to similar situations... witnessed, by the thousands of parents who have been through the seminars and STILL Choose to buy the Fear the Teen Help Industry is $elling.
Apparently they are not taking to heart the advice of the programmer.
Deborah
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With no notion of what a peaceful family or a peaceful culture might have to offer, I am a refugee from my own childhood.
~~Derrick Jensen
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We all have different reactions to different things. When I was raped as a child I don't call what I felt as fear, but shock in a surreal way. What came after it was fear and anger, in a child's way. Shock was my brain's response and don't feel it was a choice. The fear and anger were. That's my view. It has nothing to do with new age or brainwashing. I respect your view.
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Just a thought:
Is it possible that the fear you felt might have preceeded or precipitated you going into "shock"? I don't consider shock to be a first response. Could be. But my experience is that I must first have a feeling strong enough to induce shock. And that, while still in fear, the anger you later felt might have been your defense mechanism kicking in?
As far as shock not being a choice, I agree. In that moment, as a child, I don't believe we are consciously choosing what to feel. I think shock is a survival mechanism, instinctual, to protect us from feelings, such as fear or physical pain, that feel more intense than we can consciously endure.
Deborah