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Treatment Abuse, Behavior Modification, Thought Reform => The Troubled Teen Industry => Topic started by: Anonymous on December 24, 2008, 01:39:16 PM
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As someone whose life is imminently terminal, I would offer my services as a killer in effort to do some good for the cause before I am gone. I fear no one since I am dying anyway, and would personally derive much pleasure from the task. But I would need to know who and where. Payment would be a nice perk for my services, but perhaps not entirely necessary since I know I would love what I would do, and will be dead soon anyway. I have nothing left to lose except my soul, which I am hereby offering to sell in the name of every kid held captive in a program right now. Serious replies only, please.
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As someone whose life is imminently terminal, I would offer my services as a killer in effort to do some good for the cause before I am gone. I fear no one since I am dying anyway, and would personally derive much pleasure from the task. But I would need to know who and where. Payment would be a nice perk for my services, but perhaps not entirely necessary since I know I would love what I would do, and will be dead soon anyway. I have nothing left to lose except my soul, which I am hereby offering to sell in the name of every kid held captive in a program right now. Serious replies only, please.
I would recommend against it. Such actions would most likely be painted as a "school shooting", would do much damage to the anti-program cause, and would generate a lot of sympathy for the program in question. Plus... Even if you suceeded in accomplishing your "mission" without collateral damage, chances are somebody else, just as bad (or worse), would replace whoever you bumped.
If you're dying, why not take the time to tell your story. That would probably do a lot more good than any sort of assassination (even of somebody like Lichfield, Vause, Woodbury, or Scheff).
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oooooh lol.
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HEY NOOB
REAL KILLERS DON'T MAKE THREATS, THEY JUST KILL. IF THEY MADE THREATS INSTEAD WE WOULD CALL THEM "THREATENERS".
Do you seriously need us to point out targets for you?
Do you really want us to put your targets on guard by announcing them?
Either you're just a loudmouth douche and/or troll with no intention of actually doing anything (very likely) or someone who actually intends to kill people but is too stupid to READ THE FUCKING FORUM for names and addresses (not likely).
Either way, ((STFU || DIF) && GTFO).
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Do you seriously need us to point out targets for you?
Do you really want us to put your targets on guard by announcing them?
Or become accessories.
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...OR, it could be a cleverly disguised post from one of the programs on fornits, in the hopes of actually flushing out a death threat - the better to get a court order for IP addresses. The post made right after the OP was THIS (http://http://www.fornits.com/phpbb/viewtopic.php?f=43&t=22009&p=321765#p321765) one.
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Here's an idea, why not kill me? Psy is probably right about the fallout if you kill one or more of the perps. If you're on the way out anyway, please take me with you. I'm completely alone and unable to connect in any meaningful way with anybody. I don't even have the savvy to get the shit I'd need to do it myself without some well intended dogooder fucking things up for me. You would be doing me a huge favor.
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Though this world’s essentially an absurd place to be living in
It doesn’t call for bubble withdrawal
I’ve been told it’s a fact of life
Men have to kill one another
Well I say there are still things worth fighting for
La resistance!
Though this world’s essentially an absurd place to be living in
It doesn’t call for bubble withdrawal
It's said human existence is pointless
As acts of rebellious solidarity
Can bring sense in this world
La resistance!
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Interesting issue. Why don't any survivors kill the people who tortured them? They kill themselves readily enough. I guess, at the end of the day, despite what we imagine, despite what horrors are done to people, people don't really take arms and rebel, they just lock their door and weep.
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A more optimistic way of looking at it might be to accede that most survivors are still ascribing to common tenets of human decency and respect for life, despite what they went through.
Merry Christmas, everyone!
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A more optimistic way of looking at it might be to accede that most survivors are still ascribing to common tenets of human decency and respect for life, despite what they went through.
Merry Christmas, everyone!
na i feel that if someone snaped and killed staff the programs would have more fuel to say well if that person had been forced to complete the program this would not have happened.
i am sure that i am not the only one who has thought about it. (would not do it thought because of above) at a lot of these programs their security is a joke. i have looked into a lot of them and it could be done (shouldnt be dont thought) they are more concerned about their income than the safety of the staff and students. if they were concerned they would have off duty LEO's as security guards rather than retired people.
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A more optimistic way of looking at it might be to accede that most survivors are still ascribing to common tenets of human decency and respect for life, despite what they went through.
Merry Christmas, everyone!
yeah, but what about the ones who commit suicide? why not kill the ones that hurt them instead?
And, yeah, merry (homocide/suicide)Chrismas!!!!
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this is a question that many have asked. does the ends justify the means? would killing someone solve the problem or make more? could it be used by the programs as a promotion? i feel that educating the public is a much better approach. turn the town against the program and the program will disappear. killing someone would build the fire FOR the program rather than put it out.
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Can the OP bump off my neighbor? He's blasting his radio and I've a rotten hang over.
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this is a question that many have asked. does the ends justify the means? would killing someone solve the problem or make more? could it be used by the programs as a promotion? i feel that educating the public is a much better approach. turn the town against the program and the program will disappear. killing someone would build the fire FOR the program rather than put it out.
Program mantra and self-justification for actions: The ends justify the means.
Just something to keep in mind...
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this is a question that many have asked. does the ends justify the means? would killing someone solve the problem or make more? could it be used by the programs as a promotion? i feel that educating the public is a much better approach. turn the town against the program and the program will disappear. killing someone would build the fire FOR the program rather than put it out.
It wouldn't be about "solving" anything it would be about justice. different concern :rasta:
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this is a question that many have asked. does the ends justify the means? would killing someone solve the problem or make more? could it be used by the programs as a promotion? i feel that educating the public is a much better approach. turn the town against the program and the program will disappear. killing someone would build the fire FOR the program rather than put it out.
Program mantra and self-justification for actions: The ends justify the means.
Just something to keep in mind...
George Bush Jr. probably says the ends justify the means about every five minutes. Just keep that in mind as well while you are at it.
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HEY NOOB
REAL KILLERS DON'T MAKE THREATS, THEY JUST KILL. IF THEY MADE THREATS INSTEAD WE WOULD CALL THEM "THREATENERS".
Do you seriously need us to point out targets for you?
Do you really want us to put your targets on guard by announcing them?
Either you're just a loudmouth douche and/or troll with no intention of actually doing anything (very likely) or someone who actually intends to kill people but is too stupid to READ THE FUCKING FORUM for names and addresses (not likely).
Either way, ((STFU || DIF) && GTFO).
Ummm, didn't seem like a threat, seemed more like an
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Here in the Scandinavian countries we are against of ordering violence or doing it ourselves.
If we really need to hurt someone we join the military so we can travel to Afghanistan or Iraq to kill some for fun. As a Christian such behavior is encouraged by the vexillum sancti Petri.
Otherwise we settle by providing information that can upset people so the enemies start killings among themselves as it was the case with Cartoon Crisis (http://http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cartoon_war).
I would recommend that you use your anger in the proper way and join the military so you can provide safety to the rest of the world by taking a terrorist or two out in Iraq.
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Can the OP bump off my neighbor? He's blasting his radio and I've a rotten hang over.
:dose: :beat: :jamin: ::unhappy:: :clown: ::evil:: :cheers: :rofl: :rofl: :roflmao:
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Actually, in America if you want to kill people for fun it is better to join the LAPD than it is the Army.
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Hello, this is my first post.
I am so thrilled to see someone actually thinking about killing these bastards. Personally, I'd take out the staffers at Brat Camp. A national show would garner some national attention, and the execs at ABC would have to answer for what they had done. These bastards get away with everything knowing full well that no one will come after them and make them pay. It's really not so bad that some of these people, including the parents, get killed off once in awhile.
Yes, I am seeing a therapist for my intense anger issues, but I also think that death would be the only way these pricks would learn anything. Although, I am still wondering if castration wouldn't achieve the same result. We've got to rise above this notion that parents and authority figures somehow command respect, regardless of what they do.
Well, that's all for me right now. Hopefully I'll be back. I really appreciate the work you all do here.
Have a Merry Christmas everyone. Remember, you are loved by someone.
Very Sincerely,
The Palace Worm
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@worm:
I understand your anger, but the attention such an act would create is not the sort of thing that would reflect positively on any of us and would probably create sympathy for the program. I can think of 101 ways programs could spin such an event for their marketing.
I suggest you re-read the thread. I don't think anybody aside from maybe the OP thinks such an act would remotely be a good idea. Sure it's nice to fantasize about ( I know ex-program parents who do ), but in reality, the fallout would not good at all.
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I think its a great idea myself.
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my question is how has this NOT happened already?...
I mean after the amount of torture and deception these people partake in why has not one mentally unstable survivor taken his last wish of revenge out on any one of these many violators of human decency? I was wondering myself just the other day how these people aren't stalked and burned at a stake?... considering the amount of psychological torment they inflict upon any number of mentally unstable teenagers HOW HAS THIS NOT BECOME A REALITY ALREADY?
Dont Kill Dace tho, I need to sue him first.
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I think its a great idea myself.
HELLO?
Why is my neighbor still alive?
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@ OP...
When you die, can I have your stuff?
I need:
1. peanut butter birdhouse
2. half of a hoppity hop
3. back issues of Highlights magazine from Aug 1979 thru Jan 1982, although Dec 81 is probably not necessary, because I think I have it somewhere
4. flan
If you have any of this, please let me know. I can't find anything on ebay. (I found an oct 84 issue, but I only need till 82.)
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Is highlights that dentist office magazine that sucks?
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Is highlights that dentist office magazine that sucks?
I just read it for the goofus and gallant.
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so there is a suck-free zone within highlights?
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my question is how has this NOT happened already?...
I mean after the amount of torture and deception these people partake in why has not one mentally unstable survivor taken his last wish of revenge out on any one of these many violators of human decency? I was wondering myself just the other day how these people aren't stalked and burned at a stake?... considering the amount of psychological torment they inflict upon any number of mentally unstable teenagers HOW HAS THIS NOT BECOME A REALITY ALREADY?
Dont Kill Dace tho, I need to sue him first.
I remember two cases where children killed thier parent(s) after getting out of the program...someone could research this and post links ... usually when you are abused as a child you end up taking it out on yourself....there are plenty of documented suicides from ppl who were in program... also ppl in jail for killing someone at the other end of their rage due to time in a program also happened alot after vietnam...soldiers came home and would kill someone in a blind rage...PTSD!!!
On another note..the children who've shot up schools have had a history of taking prescription drugs...starting with ritalin then on to heavier ones...it is documented but not readily spread...can you say big pharma?????
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IIRC, the kid who killed his parents was in a WWASP program. There is also another kid if I recall who comitted a murder after AARC. A kid out of benchmark also cut up his GF with a chainsaw IIRC. I forget what his name was. Started with a P. I have the PDF discussing it somewhere.
Edit: found it:
www.brown.edu/Departments/Taubman_Cente ... sis/mk.pdf (http://www.brown.edu/Departments/Taubman_Center/taubman/HonThesis/mk.pdf)
Name was Posner. Ronald Posner.
On January 18, 2001, twenty year-old Katherine Brown was found dead in the
driveway of her boyfriend Ronald Posner’s Rumstick Neck home. Police were able to
identify the body using her driver’s license found at the scene. Brown’s killing was the
first in nearly ten years in the otherwise quiet Barrington, Rhode Island. Ronald Posner,
the principle suspect in the murder, was found by Barrington police nearby the body
covered in blood and human hair similar to the length of the victim.
Last September, Seekonk police, who responded to a 911 call from a Motel 6
establishment in Seekonk, Massachusetts, arrested and charged Posner for domestic
assault. Although Brown was hesitant to disclose any information, she admitted to being
punched by Posner after the desk clerk told the responding officer that a male guest had
assaulted her. In October of the same year, Posner enrolled in Benchmark Young Adult
School in Redlands, California according to his Massachusetts prosecutor. The school’s
mission is to help young adults between ages 18 and 25 with emotional and behavioral
problems. In December, Posner missed his court appearance for the Seekonk charge. 1
At the time, his lawyer told the judge that he was enrolled in school in California, thus it was
decided that the case would be continued until June. It remains unclear as to whether
Posner ever completed the program.
The case against Posner was still pending when police responded to a call from
Brown’s Providence East Side apartment four days prior to her death. Brown told the
responding officers at the scene that the strangulation marks on her neck were self-
inflicted during a panic attack. However, thirty minutes later, Brown called the police
again confessing that it was in fact her boyfriend Ronald Posner who had attacked her
and attempted to strangle her. Although probable cause for arrest was determined thus
mandating arrest according to state law, Posner was not arrested. Instead he was
removed from the premises to a friend’s house upon the request of the victim.
I bet ya they don't put that success story on their website.. lol
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Sutton after a stay at Paradise Cove (http://http://wiki.fornits.com/index.php?title=Paradise_Cove#In_the_news).
I have no links about the AARC incident.
Maybe Robinson before entering the feared Steppin' Stone Farm (http://http://wiki.fornits.com/index.php?title=Steppin%27_Stone_Farm%2C_Inc.). One of the boys testified against her in a plea deal and she was out on drugs, so none would ever know.
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Nathan Ybanez (http://http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/pages/frontline/whenkidsgetlife/five/nateerik.html) did time at a Christian Boot Camp somewhere in Missouri.
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I think the suicides are the worst... You can always blame a murder on the murderer but when it comes to a person being miserable enough to take their own life you have to ask yourself what happened in their life that made them feel so helpless. In the cases of those who committed suicide a few months to even years after the program I can really understand why.
In a lot of cases the snowball effect is to blame, all which started either by their abusive and/ or controlling parents and then their imprisonment at one of the many various programs. The main reason I personally believe the program still effects my life is the everlasting looming feeling of hopelessness something I only grew accustomed to in the program. The program changed my personality, or maybe its just the PTSD but the way they fucked with my head tends to draw me into the fear of the outside world (social anxienty) and the memories keep me up at night fucking up my schedule and making it hard for me to be motivated to be productive. Not to mention that I was refused an education, didnt get to go to high school OR college (and YES all directly because of the program) and now its an epic struggle just to survive. I'm VERY VERY lucky that I am able to work with my mom and can work from home, other wise I really don't know if I would be able to make it out there. Most days I really have to convince myself with some fantasy of a future life of grandeur just to get to work. Most days I just want to say fuck it and give up... and I mean REALLY give up. I honestly believe if it weren't for the fact that I am involved with this movement I might have felt it appropriate to take that step to end it all... So I can understand why those who did, did.
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I think the suicides are the worst... You can always blame a murder on the murderer but when it comes to a person being miserable enough to take their own life you have to ask yourself what happened in their life that made them feel so helpless. In the cases of those who committed suicide a few months to even years after the program I can really understand why.
Funny. Delaware banned Salvia because one kid killed himself months after using it with no traces in his system (http://http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Brett_Chidester)... meanwhile thousands of kids kill themselves after or during program and nobody puts 2 and 2 together.
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I think the most potent time for suicide risk is within the first 5-6 years post program. Even more so than during program.
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I think the suicides are the worst...
Yes, it's too bad that they worked out to be suicides instead of homicides.
I'd rather see people kill off summa these program scabs than see them kill themselves.....oh yes indeed!!!
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Interesting issue. Why don't any survivors kill the people who tortured them?
I don't know, but perhaps more survivors should do that... let's see some more programmie bloodshed in 2009!!!
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In March 1990 Timothy Nixon took a baseball bat and beat his mother Barbara Nixon to death in her upscale Commerce, Texas home. In his taped confession he showed no remorse, but used many expletives as he admitted to police how he had beat his mother, then stuffed her body into the trunk of her car and then cleaned up the mess afterwards. Timothy Nixon had been in Straight - Dallas. [McKinney Courier Gazette 10/2/90.]
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Let's have another song!!!