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Treatment Abuse, Behavior Modification, Thought Reform => The Troubled Teen Industry => Topic started by: Anonymous on August 03, 2003, 10:55:00 PM
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WWASPS saves children from a life of addiction, jail and even death.
When a child finally completes the program after several years, they are a new person. No, I am not brainwashed, I am a HAPPY, CHEERFUL, SUNSHINY WOMaN. If you think I am brainwashed, maybe I was in need of a good scrubbing, and it sounds like you all need one too.
You must check out Discovery, it is a life saver. I can't discuss it, due to secrecy, but it will change your life. :smile: Be Blessed lost souls.
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What if the child is not abusing drugs or alcohol, but instead is becoming a person of their own. Kids grow up, that's part of a teenager's angst. Why are these kids being sent away for discovering who they are? Rebeling against your parents is not a crime,it is the road to adulthood. Being a parent is about loving your children good or bad. Sending them away instead of working together as a family is wrong.
I pray for you.
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WWASPS SAVED my childs life. TB has the kindest, loving, caring staff you will ever meet. Especially Mr. Baily and Ms. Gorden. My child has been there for 32 months and is finally at L3 and we just got our first call. It is a miracle, and to think it could have been a call from a morgue.
Allof you people that are trying to take away our savior will end up killing many kids. think about.
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WWASPS means freedom for children and families. Bob litchfield is a wonderful and loving may, even if he is overweight. You should not make fun of fat people anyway. :eek:
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bailey was at dundee till may, sooo he is in tb now? i hear some are trying to find him! thanks for the info!! also is conrad and loxley there also? how about miss joan?
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Make fun all you want but the Jamaicans are warm, fun loving, sensitive people who are far more advanved than americans. They are strict but caring and the education is like something you would get at harvard or yaile.
you are stupid. so htere! :silly:
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All wasps does is warehouse your child during their teen years since you are unfit to handle them. It is amazing what money can buy these days.
Prostitution has saved many a marriage, but it's still illegal!!! I have yet to see PROOF of wwasps saving ONE child. I know for a fact one has died in their care! I know for a fact one has been raped while staffing for them! Need I say more?
The title to this thread should read "two year olds", because that's exactly what all the anon's sound like. Also everyone enjoys hiding behind a bag, still wondering IF their children are okay!!! I KNOW mine are they are at home.
Keep on playing the money game with wwasp, miss a payment & see how concerned they are for your child. You'll surely get the boot!!!
Regards,
Lee
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Lee: You really cant understand how wonderful and loving the wwasp staff is until you have a child there who is near completion. that takes a lot of time and money. it can take years for a child to be fully baked as we say.
you are hurting inside. i can tell. What can we do to help you? :cry:
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This thread is a joke, right???? Like the things the morning guys do on the radio?
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I don't think they are kidding.
Your kid has been there for 32 months and you just got your first phone call. You have not spoken to your kid in almost 3 years? You are a sick fuck who should be thrown in jail with the rest of the child abusers.
Solution to WWASP, shoot parents who send their kids there, thats consequences they can appreciate.
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anon., now I no why you have a bag over your head. Your dumb ass can't breath in there for too long! :smokin:
Regards,
Lee
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Your child has been in a WWASP program for over 32 months, how in the hell do expect your child to reenter society and function as a normal human being? If you dont want your kid at least put him/her up for adoption so your child can get the proper care.
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KIDDING i was not! is conrad there? or miss davis? it is a honest question. im sure one of you know
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32 months w/o speaking to your child? And that phone call was undoubtedly monitored by them. Tell me then, how do you know its so wonderful? You want to believe it is because it relieves your guilt for not doing your job. Wake Up!
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wonderful loving ex car salesman warehousing children for profit, not to SAVE your child, give me a f-in break!
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I'm curious, why do you suppose it has taken 32 months for your child to reach level 3? The more time your child takes to reach the 9,000 points it takes to "graduate" the more money you pay. Do you know how many points your child has right now after 32 months? 500 maybe? If it looks like crap and smells like crap do you step in it to make sure? The staff is there for one reason, to collect their pay. Oh , also the fringe benefits, whatever they can score from the kids personal items. You mentioned a couple of "staffers" who are so "kind and loving". The truth be known, the kind and loving staffers quit. They know that the children are being abused in the name of treatment. Your child is no longer your child. You blew it.
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Hello in there! Wake Up.
http://www.wikipedia.org/wiki/WWASP#Com ... d_analysis (http://www.wikipedia.org/wiki/WWASP#Comparison_and_analysis)
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I woke up and my child is alive.
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We alos have the right to speak and you cant stop us. more will be coming from wwasp.
our board is private and yours is open, that is the difference. theres nothing you can do and we will be heard.
wwasp is growing and will take over.,
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[ This Message was edited by: KarenZ on 2003-10-17 10:56 ]
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MY child at Ivy Ridge and LOVES it there. It was that or the streets at 12.
The programs are run by different people and teh Ivy ridge staff are loving, educated, and trained.
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oh, really? my child was at ivy ridge, too. The same loving caring people taking care of your child threatened to rape my child if and when he went to sleep, I may have gotten there to get him out just in time! nothing like being threatened to be fucked up the ass, boy oh boy, now thats emotional growth, but not the kind of emotional growth i was promised. but with the alarms going off all night and having to rush to the hallway for a head count , he claims there wasn't much sleep to be had anyway. you want to know anything else about good ole ivy ridge, you let me know and I'll give you an email/call. You can talk to my son about ivy ridge, maybe he spent some time with your son, maybe he's one of the kids who was denied permission to use the bathroom and shit or pissed his pants in front of everyone, maybe he's one of the smaller or weaker or takes meds for mental illness, according to my son those are the kids picked on the most by so-called staffers and upper levels. Yes, he still feels bad for the other kids there. he is still traumatized from watching the mistreatment of other kids, not to mentioned how he was mistreated. maybe my son can tell you whats really been happenening to your child. You let me know if you care to hear the truth about the people you blindly trust.
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On 2003-08-04 08:04:00, Anonymous wrote:
"MY child at Ivy Ridge and LOVES it there. It was that or the streets at 12.
The programs are run by different people and teh Ivy ridge staff are loving, educated, and trained."
yeah, you'd like to think so. i'm sure that 15 min. phone call a week is enough for you to know what kind of person that is, but that isn't even the person who spends time w/your child. really, how much time do you think the parent rep. spends w/your child. I've known people for years and never really KNEW them. Think about it.
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Uhhh...Fabulous Fornits Folks...like I said earlier, this sounds like the morning guys on the radio. No need to get your knickers in a twist about it. For example:
"We alos have the right to speak and you cant stop us. more will be coming from wwasp.
our board is private and yours is open, that is the difference. theres nothing you can do and we will be heard.
wwasp is growing and will take over.,"
Now really, can a person this poorly educated who can't spell, write a complete sentence, or even type AFFORD $130,000 to put a kid in TB for that long???? Not hardly. This looks more like some perverted TB "graduate" with zippo schooling and no brains. He is sitting at his computer at 3:00 AM, has been out of WWASPS for 4 months and still can't function well enough to have a real life, and, using the famous integrity, accountability, and focus values taught by WWASPS, thinks it's really funny to get us all in a twit responding to ever-stupider anon postings. I'm surprised he hasn't posted about the hilarious dishelveled appearance of kids coming back all bloody from OP torture!
He says WWASPS can give kids an education even better than "harvard and yaile"?????? OhmyGod! Let's move on and ignore him. Don't feed his need for attention.
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Why is it we always hear from all these morally corrupt parents, but never from their kids?
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The kids aren't allowed near a phone or a computer when they are allowed home. One girl was not permitted by her parents to report to the police she had been raped at Carolina Springs and she was gonna be sent back. How do I know this, because she came into a chat room and was desperate for someone to help her.
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You got it Spots. This wasn't written by a wwasp parent. Someone is playing with us. It's a feeble attempt by Sue Scheff or another personality like hers to discredit wwasp. That's her M.O. Why don't you at least TRY to be smart enough to do something different.
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wwasps is a savior for many children my ass! I was at cross creek manor for almost two years, I have seen kids do bad and kids do good, but the majority I've witnessed not only went back to their unhealthy habits, but they ended up doing even worse. The few that have done well, myself included, don't give a whole lot of credit to wwasp for that, if any. wwasp is corrupt, I think we all know that. those who disagree either are part of the money hungry corp. or are lost within themselves and cant't think for themselves. much respect to the people who finally stop the madness.
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Having your child in a WWASP program for over 32 months is just a selfish move on the parents part. You expect your kid to live a somewhat normal life when he gets back in the US?
It makes me sick. Do you think your neighbors think what youre doing to your child is right? They might act like they agree, but anyone who sends their child off to an abusive foreign teen prison camp is messed up in the head.
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You better believe you say whatever you are supposed to when you are finally near a phone after ______ you fill in the amount of months here.
I said I was fine loved it ect. and then I cut and ran like the wind.
Tell yourself whatever makes you sleep at night. But know this you kids will probably never forgive or trust you again, and will most likely need therapy for the rest of their lives.
And you basically just admitted to the world that you could not parent your child or you did not want to. You are failures as parents who are now allowing your kids to be tortured. Shame on you. Your kids didn't fail you failed.
You should never of has children if you were just going to ship them to a program. They don't love it and my money is they will never love you again either. Good JOB mom and Dad!!!!!Ardent advocates of prohibition were obsessed by a zeal that bordered on fanaticism. They supported politicians who voted to outlaw liquor, no matter how much of it they privately consumed, and spurned politicians who voted against prohibition, no matter how sober they were personally.
Sen. Sam Ervin, Preserving The Constitution
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Oh I just read anon above me.
Yeah your neighbors think your assholes too.
All my parents neighbors who "supported" them while I was away expressed their sympathy to me and said they felt so bad when I came back.
REALITY CHECK
your KIDS are being tortured if you don't care about that....
they now HATE you... if you don't care about that
everyone else thinks your an ASSHOLE if you don't care about that
WWASP is taking you for all your money :flame: Speak gently! 't is a little thing Dropp'd in the heart's deep well; The good, the joy, that it may bring Eternity shall tell.
-- G. W. Langford: Speak gently.
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http://strugglingteens.com/news/lettert ... karen.html (http://strugglingteens.com/news/lettertoeditor/burnettkaren.html)
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Read it parents. Don't be chickenshit.
In all history, there is no instance of a country having benefited from prolonged warfare. Only one who knows the disastrous effects of a long war can realize the supreme importance of rapidity in bringing it to a close. It is only one who is thoroughly acquainted with the evils of war who can thoroughly understand the profitable way of carrying it on.
--Sun Tzu (author of The Art of War
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I'm sure the Scientologists and the Jehovah's Witnesses and the Moonies and the TMers say nice things about their cults, too.
The behavior modification boarding schools are basically just another psychotherapy cult like EST, Synanon, The Seed, Straight, etc. They change the surface details, but the underlying cult mind control tactics are the same.
It's a cult. Cults can take in anyone. Cult people typically have an over-rosy view where *everything* about their cult is *wonderful*.
Seen it already. Seeing more of it again starting this thread. (Or just trolls aping it.)
[YAWN]
:roll:
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Because their kids are sitting in a room somewhere waiting for their nightmare to end. That's why :sad:
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A fine schoolin', jus' they they do at "Yaile?" I bet........
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Thanks for confirming the religous aspects of the program and that it is your saviour and Bob is the ultimate for you.
very interesting and certainly the ultimate goal will be revealed ...by magical children none the less.
hope you can live with the consequences of your choices..you may have "saved" your child (in your eyes) yet you may end up the real loser...
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The shiny secretaive woman neglected to mention the fact kids come home with Post Traumatic Stress.
lady call and visit your child tommorrow first thing.Dont believe the untrustworthy.
Graduate Discovery ,Focus ,Vision Task Seminars
"I AM a Likeable,Lovable,Worthy Magical child" And I Live! or so my popsicle stick says!
I am also a sucker who fell for the secrative lies told by the family reps,seminar staff, directors and fellow parents at support group meetings. Call your child today . DEMAND to speak with him or her.You may regret it foerver if you dont. Been there done it. Wish I had'nt.
Happy cheerful sunshinywoman, FYI Its wwasp who steals your soul. Beware beware beware.
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I still have my "contract" that says I am a Beautiful, Intelligent, Powerful Young Woman who is Carefree.
All of the "staff" signed the back and it says "The Rose" which is the song that Jeannie (our head lady) picked out for me. Everyone had them hanging on their bulletin boards at SRA, like this piece of cardboard changed our life forever and we would be the greatest people in the world because we knew who we were. As soon as you get out no one gives a shit what it says or who you are.
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Dancing Moon Ranch 99-00[ This Message was edited by: plomly22 on 2005-04-21 22:05 ]
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Being sent away for Discovering who they are?!?! ha ha no no no sorry... you dont think these parents think about all of this before they send them away? I'm sorry but before i got sent to the program I was ditching school using drugs, and having sex with whom ever and when ever I wanted. You think that is discoverying myself? You have a warped sense of "discovery".
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***All of the "staff" signed the back and it says "The Rose" which is the song that Jeannie (our head lady) picked out for me.
How significant could the experience be for YOU, if the head lady picked your song? Seems like the participant would want to pick their own, for the symbolic value if nothing else.
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You coundn't pick anything. In the second family training we got a family song but hell if I remember what it was. I was also Miss Teen USA for the part were we had to dress up and be pretend to be that person. Some of the other people in the training were the Pointer Sisters, Banamarama, mimes, Jonathan Livingston Seagull and others I don't remember.
We had name tags that said what our problem was that Jeannie came up with. Mine was Guess Who's Talking some of the other girls were Double Doubter, Coulda Shoulda Woulda, Stuck in Neutral, Run Run Run Run Away, Doubt and Depressed, dis-connected, Outside-In, and Approve of Me. When we got to a point when Jeannie thought we had overcome our obstacles and were letting go we got to take off our name tag and tear it up.
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There was only ten of us in the training and when our song was played we were being kind of cradled off the ground by everyone holding us up with their arms.
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On 2005-04-22 11:56:00, plomly22 wrote:
"You coundn't pick anything. In the second family training we got a family song but hell if I remember what it was. I was also Miss Teen USA for the part were we had to dress up and be pretend to be that person. Some of the other people in the training were the Pointer Sisters, Banamarama, mimes, Jonathan Livingston Seagull and others I don't remember."
I was in the Jonathan Livingston Seagull group. We were given a bunch of notebooks which we tore the paper out of to make some fake feathers, then danced around in front of the group. :roll:
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I had to dance in front of everyone for two songs, write and say a five minute speech on being Miss Teen USA, strut to one song and answer questions from everyone about what its like to be Miss Teen USA. This just made me feel like the best person in the world, NOT. You feel good for the moment but that passes and you go back to being who you are or just pretend like you are the greatest person in the world for the rest of the time you are their so you can get out.
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wow.
Those seminars somehow KEEP sounding like calculated attempts to manipulate, if not brainwash.
But oh, I should go with the general, nonspecific, cloudy testimonies from programmies about how they get epiphanies and life-changes, and somehow think thats not just a result of being manipulated and brainwashed :roll: God is a concept by which we measure our pain.
--John Lennon, British songwriter and member of "The Beatles"
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On 2005-04-22 11:44:00, Exit Plan wrote:
"The song they choose isn't just some random choice.
Understand what I am about to explain is after 3 full days of different process' and all the other weird things that go along with wwasp seminars. At the end of the seminar, once the group is done humiliating and verbally attacking each another, there is another strange 'process'. This process involves everyone breaking up into groups of 6 people or so, the lights are dimmed to almost darkness and the atmosphere becomes very surreal, it was very quiet. They play all sorts of cheesy music, for example mariah carey's butterfly, songs like that. One at a time, a person in your group of six was singled out, and brought to the center of your group circle.
They would lie down in the center of everyone on the floor, the lights were dimmed and they would close their eyes. This is where the specific song on your poster comes from, at least in our seminar. There are six different songs played for each person in the group. When the music plays, each person in the group whispers compliments and praise into the ear of the person lying on the ground. Since most of the seminar is spent degrading you with no mercy, this is a definite change of pace. People who were screaming terrible things in your face only one day ago, were now telling you how beautiful a person you are quietly in your ear, while you listen to 'your song' play in the background. Even our family rep came over and whispered compliments into our ear, and how much she loved us. The small people, namely some of the girls, would literally be lifted off the ground and walked around, as if they were floating on air, being told of love in their ear all the while. It was common for the group to pet the individual laying down, in a sense, comfort them as much as they possibly can. It was very child-like, something a parent would do.
To anyone who has read in more detail about the WWASP seminars, or has attended themselves, it will make perfect sense why some people treasure their signs forever. They associate the signs with love, in very real contrast to the hate and pain they also experienced during the seminar. "
isn't this like the battered wife thing? he beats her up and then is completely contrite and loving? ? ? ?
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On 2005-04-22 19:39:00, Nihilanthic wrote:
"Those seminars somehow KEEP sounding like calculated attempts to manipulate, if not brainwash."
We didn't call them "trainings" for nothing. We were being trained how to act and respond in our own little world, somethings you would never say to someone outside for they would never understand what you are talking about.
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Were any of these facilitators licensed psychologists or therapists. Sounds pretty dangerous and damaging to me....
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It was a little less sophisticated at Straight. Once in awhile, in the midst of all that hostility and hollering, we'd have a love rap. They tried guided imagery once that I recall during girls' rap. But everyone fell asleep.
To be an atheist requires strength of mind and goodness of heart found in not one of a thousand.
--Samuel Taylor Coleridge, English poet, critic, journalist, philosopher
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On 2005-04-22 23:45:00, Anonymous wrote:
"Were any of these facilitators licensed psychologists or therapists."
NOPE.
On 2005-04-22 23:45:00, Anonymous wrote:
"Sounds pretty dangerous and damaging to me...."
YEP.
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Could we get someone to pony up the dough and go to a seminar with a wire?
Or hold some kind of a raffle where people all put up money to pay for a discovery seminar, and the 'winner' gets to wear it and go to one? :exclaim: We are apt to shut our eyes against a painful truth...
For my part, I am willing to know the whole truth;
to know the worst, and to provide for it.
--Patrick Henry
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On 2005-04-22 23:45:00, Anonymous wrote:
"Were any of these facilitators licensed psychologists or therapists. Sounds pretty dangerous and damaging to me...."
No, the only adult was Jeannie who is a former staff member of Cross Creek. Then the rest of the staff were girls who had already been through the training. The trainings were done on the weekend so their wasn't even a therapist at the school.
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On 2005-04-23 12:36:00, Nihilanthic wrote:
"Could we get someone to pony up the dough and go to a seminar with a wire?
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Hotels aren't exactly hard to get into and hide a camera or audio recorder. Wouldn't it be great to wire the conference hall prior to the seminar. James Bond the shit in, and hide it. Just an idea... it sure would be fun to get those freaks on tape.
... The one problem though is they tone down the parents seminars quite a bit. To see the full blown strangeness, getting a student seminar on tape would be the best. Hell, getting any truth out of those facilities would be a positive event. Everything that comes from them is complete BS.
One thing I've been pondering, what if a group of people got to together and disrupted the facility where the seminar was being held. For instance, plastered the hotel rooms of the normal guests with notices announcing a cult is sharing the hotel which supports child abuse. Might cause a bit of a stir. Anything to get attention on these freaks is a good thing. Truth speaks for itself, that's why they're so damn secretive.
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On 2005-04-22 10:10:00, Anonymous wrote:
"Being sent away for Discovering who they are?!?! ha ha no no no sorry... you dont think these parents think about all of this before they send them away? I'm sorry but before i got sent to the program I was ditching school using drugs, and having sex with whom ever and when ever I wanted. You think that is discoverying myself? You have a warped sense of "discovery"."
And if I'd been your mom, I would have enrolled you in alternative school, taken you there myself, and sat right outside the door reading a book to make damned sure you stayed there.
And I would have put deadbolts on the doors and windows and while I wouldn't have kept you locked in all the time, I would have made damned sure your opportunities for sex and drugs were at least *limited*.
And I would have told you if you tried to attack me or your dad personally over being grounded like this, we *would* press charges and you *would* spend time in juvie before coming home to the same thing---and you'd have known I meant it, too. Or I'd just have paddled your butt. That would have been the *first* line of correction of an assault.
But sure, I'd have let you date. I'd have made damned sure you didn't walk out my door without condoms and your regularly scheduled depo provera shot, but I'd have let you date. And I'd occasionally have taken you to swim, or dinner, or let you go out shopping or to a movie with friends---as long as you were passing your random drug tests and at least *trying* in school.
And I wouldn't have a problem with you telling me lies, because I'd never ask you a question---I'd just ask you to show me whatever and check on everything you said.
While including a lot of ordinary good things in your life at home just for being my kid, making sure you knew I loved you even if I wasn't going to let you run amok and even though I'm sure you would have been hell on wheels, and gradually given you more freedom as you showed more responsibility.
And if you ran away, well, the real world makes people grow up fast. When you grew up some, you'd be back.
And it would have worked.
Mom Fu is a wonderful thing.
You were no wilder than my sister or at least half a dozen of my friends, and Mom Fu eventually worked with them.
You post-program kids think you invented wild.
I knew kids who were wilder than anything I've heard of yet. The only ones who died or went to jail for more than a brief wake-up call were the few who managed to pick a real dangerous curve to drive drunk on---and *very* few of those.
Mom Fu works.
There are just way too many women who never take to the role of Mom enough to learn it.
It doesn't work *quickly*---but over several years, it works.
My way wouldn't have *stopped* the sex and the drugs and the ditching school--it wouldn't have made you pay attention instead of staring out the window. But it would have reduced all of it for long enough for you to finish growing up---which is all it would need to do.
Timoclea
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If anyone has the schedule for upcoming seminars, please post it.
Life is like a bird, at any given moment it is droping a load. It is only a matter of time before one eventually find you.
SysAdmin
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Chicago, IL Discovery Date:
Friday April 29, 2005 through Sunday May 1, 2005
Chicago, IL Discovery Times:
Day 1: 8:30 am - 9:00 am (Registration)
Day 1: 9:00 am - 12:00 am (Midnight)
Day 2: 9:00 am - 12:00 am (Midnight)
Day 3: 8:30 am - 6:00 pm
Chicago, IL Discovery Location (The seminar will be held at the location):
Wyndham Hotel O'Hare
6810 N Mannheim Rd
Rosemont IL, 60018
Local Number: (847) 297-8464
REPEAT Discovery in Chicago, June 24, 2005 through June 26, 2005
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San Diego, CA Discovery Date:
Friday May 20, 2005 through Sunday May 22, 2005
San Diego, CA Discovery Times:
Day 1: 8:30 am - 9:00 am (Registration)
Day 1: 9:00 am - 12:00 am (Midnight)
Day 2: 9:00 am - 12:00 am (Midnight)
Day 3: 8:30 am - 6:00 pm
San Diego, CA Discovery Location (The seminar will be held at the location):
Town & Country Resort
500 Hotel Circle North
San Diego CA, 92108
Reservations: 800-772-8527
Local Number: 619-291-7131
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Bay Area, CA Discovery Date:
Friday June 3, 2005 through Sunday June 5, 2005
Bay Area, CA Discovery Times:
Day 1: 8:30 am - 9:00 am (Registration)
Day 1: 9:00 am - 12:00 am (Midnight)
Day 2: 9:00 am - 12:00 am (Midnight)
Day 3: 8:30 am - 6:00 pm
Bay Area, CA Discovery Location (The seminar will be held at the location):
Dolce Hayes Mansion
200 Edenvale Avenue
San Jose CA, 95136
Local Number: 408-226-3200
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Seattle, WA Discovery Date:
Friday June 17, 2005 through Sunday June 19, 2005
Seattle, WA Discovery Times:
Day 1: 8:30 am - 9:00 am (Registration)
Day 1: 9:00 am - 12:00 am (Midnight)
Day 2: 9:00 am - 12:00 am (Midnight)
Day 3: 8:30 am - 6:00 pm
Seattle, WA Discovery Location (The seminar will be held at the location):
Radisson Hotel SeaTac
17001 Pacific Hwy S.
Seattle WA, 98118
Local Number: (206) 244-6000
http://www.radisson.com (http://www.radisson.com)
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Dallas, TX Discovery Date:
Friday June 17, 2005 through Sunday June 19, 2005
Dallas, TX Discovery Times:
Day 1: 8:30 am - 9:00 am (Registration)
Day 1: 9:00 am - 12:00 am (Midnight)
Day 2: 9:00 am - 12:00 am (Midnight)
Day 3: 8:30 am - 6:00 pm
Dallas, TX Discovery Location (The seminar will be held at the location):
American Airlines Conf. Center
4501 Highway 360 South
Ft. Worth TX, 76155
Local Number: 817-956-1000
http://www.dolce.com (http://www.dolce.com)
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Newark, NJ Discovery Date:
Friday June 10, 2005 through Sunday June 12, 2005
Newark, NJ Discovery Times:
Day 1: 8:30 am - 9:00 am (Registration)
Day 1: 9:00 am - 12:00 am (Midnight)
Day 2: 9:00 am - 12:00 am (Midnight)
Day 3: 8:30 am - 6:00 pm
Newark, NJ Discovery Location (The seminar will be held at the location):
Wyndham Airport Hotel
1000 Spring St.
Elizabeth NJ, 07201
Local Number: 908-436-4600
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Atlanta, GA Discovery Date:
Friday June 10, 2005 through Sunday June 12, 2005
Atlanta, GA Discovery Times:
Day 1: 8:30 am - 9:00 am (Registration)
Day 1: 9:00 am - 12:00 am (Midnight)
Day 2: 9:00 am - 12:00 am (Midnight)
Day 3: 8:30 am - 6:00 pm
Atlanta, GA Discovery Location (The seminar will be held at the location):
Atlanta Radisson Windy Hill
2055 South Park Place
Atlanta GA, 30339
Local Number: 770-272-9441
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These are the upcoming Discovery Seminars.
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Go to:
http://www.parentsupportservices.com/se ... N=74059057 (http://www.parentsupportservices.com/seminars/schedules/index.cfm?CFID=143886&CFTOKEN=74059057)
This will give you every seminar you ever wanted to go to.
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I dont wanna go to a seminar so much as I want to see proof to backup what people say, whichever way the truth is. I am expecting it to be what the dissenters say, though.
And well, I'd go, but I'm BROKE. I cant afford air faire and hotel accomidations, lol. Properly read, the Bible is the most potent force for atheism ever conceived.
--Isaac Asimov, Russian-born American author
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I can't get that site to go anywhere. No matter what I click on, it just redirects to the same page again. No cookie blocking, so that can't be it. I wonder if they have my IP on their shit list or something? That would be a little gratifying. :wink:
They came with a Bible and their religion- stole our land, crushed our spirit... and now tell us we should be thankful to the 'Lord' for being saved.
--Chief Pontiac, American Indian Chieftain
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You have to pick one of the schools first, then click on the Seminars tab.
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Nope, same thing happens.
"Now, I'm a walking dead man," ... "And what bothers me is that I'm dead because I tried to help the kids. And it's all the fault of all those people over there at the DEA." [Dead Man Talking]
--Ben Guillory
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Have you tried:
http://wwasp.com/ (http://wwasp.com/)
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On 2005-04-24 15:54:00, Antigen wrote:
"I can't get that site to go anywhere. No matter what I click on, it just redirects to the same page again. No cookie blocking, so that can't be it. I wonder if they have my IP on their shit list or something? That would be a little gratifying. :wink:They came with a Bible and their religion- stole our land, crushed our spirit... and now tell us we should be thankful to the 'Lord' for being saved.
--Chief Pontiac, American Indian Chieftain
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That site might be too clever for its own good. Try deleting the cookie and starting again. Also, try finding the page from the home page instead of using the link with all that ColdFusion stuff in it.