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Treatment Abuse, Behavior Modification, Thought Reform => The Seed Discussion Forum => Topic started by: Anonymous on December 15, 2008, 06:36:49 PM
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Just wondered if any old oldtimers were out there from the dates above. I started the Seed 4 days before Christmas 1971. After 8 or so months I was appointed to staff. I was on the program for 15 months. Remember Pete, Tommy, Clay, Susie Barker (passed away from cancer), Rick, Libby, Michele Barker, et al? Remember the visit from Robert Conrad? Jackie Gleason giving Art his limosine? Dade and Pinellas Seeds opening up? Wow! A strong and fruitful time of my life. Made boot camp 4 years later a piece of cake, and was a personal and professional foundation for my navy career as a Mustang, an officer that rises through the enlisted ranks and is awarded a commission. What began as a complete culture shock-and-awe became some of the best and inwardly peaceful times of my life, and that was 37 years ago almost to the day. I can actually say now that when the time comes I will leave the world a little better for my having been in it. I wouldn't have been able to say that with the direction(s) I was going 38 years ago. Gives me a warm and fuzzie to find this forum. I lost my fear of the Seed and the hold it had on me a long time ago, but by then I had figured myself out pretty well and set out on a path to make things a little better for me and the world instead of being destructive. Good to hear from all of you. Even those who still fear the Seed. It's the commraderie that comes from a collective background. From being in the trenches and foxholes together.
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It's the commraderie that comes from a collective background. From being in the trenches and foxholes together.
:peace:
from being abused and fucked over!
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Noooo, that was NOT my experience, but thanks anyway for asking. The SEED still scares you. That's what happens to some who didn't try to get what they could out of it and ended up screwing themselves because of it.
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I Just wondered if any other oldtimers out there kept their own minds. I was at the Seed in 1971. My sister was appointed to staff, (she had no choice, for a long time) but she did survive. I ran twice, and when my sister finaly got out I had a big joint waiting for her. I also Remember Art, John, Pete, Tommy, Clay, Susie, Rick, Libby, Michele, Bill and alot more. Dade and Pinellas Seeds opening up? Wow! (that just made more money for the group) An eye opening time of my life too. I also joined the Navy, after going to college, and it was very little help in my navy career as a squid (Saratoga). An officer that rises through the enlisted ranks and is awarded a commission is usualy a suck ass. It was 37 or 38 years ago. I can actually say now that when the time comes I will leave the world with eight of my children and eight grandchildren. I thank the gods my children all have good minds, children and careers, I wouldn't have been able to say that if I thought what the seed was doing was correct 38 years ago. Also it gives me a warm and fuzzie to see Art Barker close to death (and looking like shit). I have never had a fear of the Seed, and the hold it tried to have on me a long time ago, but by then I had figured myself out pretty well and set out on a path to make things better for me and my family instead of screwing with others minds. It is good to hear from all of you. Even those who still fear the Seed. Now that Iv'e reached the end game it's good to look back. And I hope something can be done to stop people like Art Barker from hurting any more children in the future. I find it hard to believe there are still places like the seed in America?
Frank M.
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My time was much later. I came after the dade seed closed. I remember alot of those people though. The seed left me with terrible memories whoever says it was good is still sick! Art should be strung up for what he did to us. Sexual abuse, mental abuse etc. I can tell you it was not fun. I hated it. Brainwashing. I remember, John, Terry, Ginger, Cookie, Libby, Kenny, Shelly does anyone remember the girl with long black hair? She was really athletic? on Staff. I remember that I was supposed to be proud when I got to sit in the hallway and run phone call messages like a dog in a cage. UGH I am still haunted!
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I was there too. I remember almost everyone. SusieC.
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Sorry to hijack your thread Warrant ... SusieC -- Are you the same SusieC I remember from Cleveland? If so, I'd love to catch up ... PM or e-mail me through the board, or talk to TK to get me directly.
(My username should give you an idea of who I am)
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wow! warrant you say that the seed was so beneficial... wow! these people suborned, perjured,manufactured and planted evidence,threatened ruined lives and reputations ruined many , bribed and i don't know what all.. yet because it was all in service of their religion it is O.K.?? you did it didn't you.. you drank the cool-aid.. ahh look what happens when you do! see when you drink the cool aid, it's almost never you who pays the price.. it's someone! else that's the attraction to cults.. that we can avoid the suffering by acceding to the lie... legally that's called "accessory".. morally that is guilty knowledge. the seed was an education for me, thats sure , but it was an awful one
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Ok maybe I'm blind but my experience at The Seed saved my life. I was 14 in 1972 and had died and been brought back from an overdose. Sure The Seed was no Hilton but neither were the streets. The difference was, for me, people cared whether I lived or died. I'm a much better person for the 9 months I spent there (on the 3 month program). Where is Art today? Is he still with us? I personally would like to thank him. Liberty
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Ok maybe I'm blind but my experience at The Seed saved my life. I was 14 in 1972 and had died and been brought back from an overdose. Sure The Seed was no Hilton but neither were the streets. The difference was, for me, people cared whether I lived or died. I'm a much better person for the 9 months I spent there (on the 3 month program). Where is Art today? Is he still with us? I personally would like to thank him. Liberty
Liberty Seed:
I'm no fan of Art Barker or his wife, but last I knew they lived over in the Venetian Isle section of Ft. LAuderdale. Not too shabby. You can check the property tax records for Broward County - there might be a tax bill in his name or Suzy's name or some tax-free foundation's name that he's associated with. The guy made a good living off the tax exempt business model. Don't ever forget: it was just a BUSINESS. It was about dollars and control.
Stripe
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Dear Stripe,
Thanks for the reply. Maybe I was just too young, or too busy self destructing to be aware of the financial politics of The Seed. I can only hope there were others like myself and my two remaining Seed friends who were helped to get their lives back on track.
Liberty
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Liberty - You are not the only one who was helped by the Seed. I know there are others here that will disagree with me but there are still tools that I learned at the Seed that I use in my life today. I now try helping others in a different way because I received so much help when I was at the Seed that as the song we used to sing "Pass it On" is what I truly love doing with my life. I help others who are grieving from losses and helping others to me is what life is all about.
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Liberty - You are not the only one who was helped by the Seed. I know there are others here that will disagree with me but there are still tools that I learned at the Seed that I use in my life today. I now try helping others in a different way because I received so much help when I was at the Seed that as the song we used to sing "Pass it On" is what I truly love doing with my life. I help others who are grieving from losses and helping others to me is what life is all about.
Stop smoking angel dust.
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What in the world happened to cause such resentment?
Liberty
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Liberty I have no idea why there is such resentment. All I know is I was at the Seed most of my life and sure there were things that were not perfect but nothing in life is perfect. I learned to take the best of what was offered and live my life by that. I also know that my life is very full and there is just no room for resentment. I find that if you live your life full of resentment that it only hurts you and not the person you are resenting. I choose to live a life with love and help others where I can. Guest - I know you can't relate to me because of the comment you made but I'm very happy with my life and what I am doing with it and I don't need drugs or alcohol to make me happy. All I need to do is think about others and what they need and that's what makes me happy. I hope that some of you will find what you need to make you happy.
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Anyone remember Libby McDonald/Barker kienzle?
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Yes,
Kind of an enigma if you ask me - I wonder hjow the relationship w/ Bob K works.
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the brainwashing technique you endured lasted for you entire career. and made you the type of person that easily takes orders and obeys.
you're the type that can easily go into iraq, and kill women and children and say, i was following orders.
your the type of guy who can go to afghanistan, kill taliban, and replant opium, for govt. profit and say, i'm doing my duty.
let's see what type of guy you are...
i didn't kill the jews in germany. i just drove the trucks that took them to the trains to the death camps.
i didn't kill anybody, i just covered up massive war crimes by burying their corpses in unmarked graves.
i didn't kill anybody, i was paid to inform.
i didn't kill anybody, i was just doing my job.
i really wish there was a god, so one day -- the day of judgment -- people like you really do become enlightened, by the fact that you will spend all of eternity in hell.
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I hated that place and still do, being kidnapped and forced to be somewhere you do not know anything about at the age of 13 is nothing but bullshit, that place was a scam for some idiot to make money and live off of, who ever you all are, that say they were the leaders of that place, you are nothing more then scum who harmed children buy giving them permission to smoke every freaking hour, take your bologna sandwiches and shove them up your arses, i had never even gotten high till i went to that stupid place, if you think it is okay to benefit off of children and ruin there schooling because some asshole promises you perfect kids then you all need be relocked back in that place, it sucked being held against your will, and it sucked having to run away from that place, at age 13 you should be in school not some bullshit place my mom decided to dump her kids at, well now that i got that off my chest, i was kidnapped, i never did drugs, so who you fooling about that place, another place for some parent to dump a kid they do not want around is all that was, again take your bologna sandwiches and shove them up your , whatever, been over that dump many years but if you want truth about it, ill give you truth about that dirt bag of a place, i hope art barker chocked on his money he made off of others misunderstood life. Again hope all you feel good about holding some kid hostage no freaking court order not a drug test nothing legal about what happened to me, only thing holding me back was that i had a dumb mother that had to many kids so that was why she kidnapped her kids and put them there, not because any of us were on something you stupid fools. I was lucky i learned to run away from that place, only bad thing was the school i lost from you jack asses, thanks for keeping a good kid out of school and her 2 swimming teams, you idiots. I HATED THAT PLACE< I WAS A GOOD KID TOO NOT EVEN ON DRUGS< FOOLS ALL YOU ARE, oh but thanks for the carton of cigs. and life savers, I wish i could take you jackasses to court for allowing a minor to smoke cigs. assholes!
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guest 2 you fucking cunt. you fucking moron. you say you have no idea what happened to cause so much resentment.
READ THE WORDS OF OTHERS YOU ASSHOLE BECAUSE IT ISN'T ABOUT YOU.
you spent most of your life there. you learned tools you use today?
really?
tools of deceit and deception and fraud. you use fear and intimidation to get what you want.
this bullets for you cunt. call it a love letter. cause that's all you will ever get you sick fucking twisted loser.
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Well you were not hog tied and guess what i still never have done drugs, of course the few that say it help notice how few too, they had to mold people like yourself to have slaves is all, i am so happy you are doing good, but i was 13 when dragged to that place had never been to jail nothing never did drugs, was a kid that went daily to school, sorry but i do not think the amount of souls that were hurt make up for the few that say it helped, asking you this, were you put in through the courts??? I bet if you never did drugs, and you were forced to say you did and had to see the crap i saw, you would not be saying it helped you, it helped me too, helped me learn how to do drugs and see people do drugs, and see people spit, and cut hair off, and kick and scream, it helped me to run away and i did, think each party has a story, you are lucky you did not go through the crap most did.I still have letters from this girl Mida who helped me get through some of the worst days of my life, Mida Garcia, I love you where ever you are, you saved me, kept me sane, should have seen the crap she went through, she finally ran away, i so hope she got so far from that place too. Well Peace to all, if that place was a good place it still be around, the Jackie Gleason building is still is around. Freaks they all were selfish souls mooching off of innocent children and misfortune d souls is all they were, sick, hope they all are suffering like they have made many do.Well I do have a good life, but it was not because of some fools calling a place and selves the seed, the seeds i know and share bring food or flowers, so you all can lick art barkers what ever, no pain is too good for that idiot, again i was forced not court ordered nor was i ever ever to this day in jail, and i have never done drugs. Pray all get through the torment that one had to go through, guess biting and kicking helped me too. Peace! ( anyone at all having information about Mida Garcia please contact me. ty, all of you, be well.
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Here is a link to a very detailed accounting from a survivor of The Seed. My experience was almost identical, except I was a young girl, so the chicks rap was centered around what whores we were and we were forced to "invent" weird sexual encounters in order to get to the next level (moved up). Wow, thinking about it now still makes me feel ashamed. I learned more kinky stuff there then I ever knew prior to my unvoluntary and not court ordered admission. Seemed the more vulgar the story, the more praise you got. How twisted and sick is that? I was only 16. I am 52 now with 2 grand children and couldn't even fathom placing my son or grand children in a place like that. Unbelieveable con.
Here's the link for a refresher, in case you have forgotton (readers beware, an emotional roller coaster is about to begin)
http://www.pfctruth.com/testimonial13.htm (http://www.pfctruth.com/testimonial13.htm)
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warrant you fucking brainwashed cunt.
may your children get hit by a school bus on the way home from school, so you know true pain.
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warrant you fucking brainwashed cunt.
may your children get hit by a school bus on the way home from school, so you know true pain.
Hey Stack,
You are right, it was a horrible fucking place (Ft. Lauderdale 73-74). I don't think there was much difference from one Seed to the next. I was there; you were there; the owners were there; and the staff members were there, too. And I can't think of an instance, not then and not on this discussion board, where one of the tyrants ever acknowledged that they thought about what they were doing and saying. I can't recall reading anything on the discussion boards, but if I'm wrong, I'm sure someone will let me know.
It took me about 35 years to understand how really fucking angry I was about what happened to me and another year or two beyond that dredge it all up and come to terms with all of it. Be glad you are not among those poor Seed bastards who have never found the need to evolve beyond that programming. Maybe later, much later, it might be easier to hate them less and pitty them more.
There probably won't be Truth and Reconcilliation Commission for The Seed, Inc., but there ought to be. I'm here for you. Stripe
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thanks ye children of a lesser god.
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or should i say - we children of a lesser goshen.
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Stack,
I saw on another thread you are looking at a class action. I'm a lawyer (FL) with some CA experience and I'm interested - will do pro bono work on this. Would you contact me by email through this site? I'll take the risk of being contacted by the forum trolls and harassed.
Stripe
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Are you really a lawyer? If so where in Florida? I was a victim, I was kidnapped and taken out of school, I never went back to school because I was so scared of that place, I was only 13 years old, I am just now speaking about what happened to me in that place. And that is my real name, Susan Stone, so I hope you are a real lawyer. Peace to you. I would like to start by asking you to get a hold of my personal records of that place, I never signed anything for one, I can promise anyone that, and I will swear on any bible what happened to me in there, anything I can do to help keep another soul from experimenting anything like that happening to them I sure will, see at this point in my life, I am no longer scared , and willing to tell what I went through, I have nothing to hide,I was 13 years old, and I would like to see the 13 year old be able to tell her side of her life during that period of my life.I for one was allowed to chain smoke cigarettes all day and night long, if that right there is not a crime I do not know what is. Get back with me if you are serious, leave me a way to personally see you, I have someone that can drive me to you if need be. Just do not bullshit please, as it has been long enough to have to suffer.Thank you, and I pray you are real. Peace always .