Fornits
General Interest => Open Free for All => Topic started by: Rusty Goat on November 27, 2008, 03:10:25 PM
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? I hear folks have the password, guess I aint welcome, LOL... hmm, that's ok. Ever since HEAL broke off diplomatic ties with ISAC, I guess I'm not surprised at anything anymore.
RG
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Whether some have contacted one of us by Spft or not, I dont know.
Our cell structure are inherited from Holger Danske - one of our resistant groups during WWII. You can take one of us down, but not us all.
But I hope that people can put personal interests and exposure aside for the just cause.
As far as Covergaard has briefed us it will business as usual by Spft. We are not part of any fight between the organizations. We will continue to be on friendly terms with everyone and even if they don't like us we will still remain polite to them.
Regards
On behalf of Covergaard
Oscar.
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They are still in the process of contacting everyone. I wouldn't look to much into it or take it as a personal slight.
This al started exactly 3 days ago with the negotiating and compromising to get the rough idea worked out. We started just yesterday with the new sekrit forums to get things figured out after antiwwasp imploded due to hosting issues.
I'll send psy this link and hopefully he can get a move on. It is my hope that both you dudes are in on the party as it is going to be a good one.
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Here there's neither worries nor fight,
Ridin the wind up goes the kite,
Allies are good, foes are bad
When its done I hope we're glad :cheers:
RG
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thus speaketh the wise one Wee Prince Willie!
Thanks for be patient guys and have a great thanks giving.
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They are still in the process of contacting everyone. I wouldn't look to much into it or take it as a personal slight.
Che is correct It was an oversight. Sorry bout that.
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Whether some have contacted one of us by Spft or not, I dont know.
Our cell structure are inherited from Holger Danske - one of our resistant groups during WWII. You can take one of us down, but not us all.
But I hope that people can put personal interests and exposure aside for the just cause.
As far as Covergaard has briefed us it will business as usual by Spft. We are not part of any fight between the organizations. We will continue to be on friendly terms with everyone and even if they don't like us we will still remain polite to them.
Regards
On behalf of Covergaard
Oscar.
You should contact Coovergaard. I gave him the password to the A.P.ALL forum (at the bottom of the forum list).
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So how are you going to prevent infighting this time 'round? Didn't kevin of anti wwasp call HEAL a terrorist organization? Is there a reason why the different anti-program organizations are separated to begin with? :on phone:
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So how are you going to prevent infighting this time 'round?
By cooperating on projects that we agree on (such as exposing programs), and not touching areas that we don't agree on (eg. to regulate or not to regulate). Individual organizations can still have their own stances on things. This is more of a "work cooperative" or a "resource sharing partnership" than anything else. The one solid rule everybody agrees on is no referrals, and if you do, you're the fuck out the door.
Didn't kevin of anti wwasp call HEAL a terrorist organization
Yeah, Kev said that, but he's not in charge (nobody is. decisions are by consensus) and i'm pretty sure he regrets saying that. In his defense, everybody says stupid childish shit sometimes. To hold it against him for so long? I'm just not sure that's productive when the anti-WWASP community has so much to offer to the projects this cooperative is considering.
Is there a reason why the different anti-program organizations are separated to begin with? :on phone:
Because while different anti-program organizations usually agree on what the problem is, they often have wildly different opinions on dealing with the problem. This has lead to a fair amount of hostility and division which is ultimately counterproductive. This cooperative is to organize projects that the group can agree on (and only that).
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These are some thoughts I have on this new secret alliance.
1) Fornits is already slow, actually, it's super slow and has been for a while. Out of the tens of thousands of kids that went through programs, not many are showing up here to talk about it. By giving the few regulars that do post a password to a secret forum, then it promotes people posting in secret and new members are going to miss out on the interesting conversations.
2) It creates a leadership clique. It's hard not to be reminded of the program with this type of tiered membership. Who makes the decision as to who is allowed to get the password and be part of the clique? One person? Does the group take a vote? You see where I'm going with this. It creates a divided forum. Different rules for different people.
3) I thought the point of this forum was to see if a non censored, open free for all discussion on programs would result in the obvious conclusion that programs are bad to those who read it. When a survivors gets outed with their addresses and pictures posted, this argument constantly comes up. If this is going to just be another forum talking about programs, but run by anti-program activists, why allow the humiliation of survivors to continue?
4) It creates an atmosphere of less honesty. If you know your membership in a anti-program clique can be revoked at any time, you might hold your tongue as to your real opinion. As a discussion forum, that is a bad thing. If it's activism people are after, then obviously this sort of thing is common place. If I come in here and say I had a so-so time at a program, it helped me in some ways, but didn't in others, would I be allowed in the secret forum? I doubt it. So people are going to not say that sort of thing, which results in stale conversations. Preaching to the choir can be a relief sometimes, but it doesn't change anybody's mind about programs. Isn't the great thing about this forum, is that it educates the public to the reality of this industry, and the conflicts within it?
Those are some of my thoughts on this alliance. I don't sign in, so don't worry I am not seeking and would not accept membership. Boo-hoo, right? If I created a persona that appeared to be vehemently anti-program, maybe I could gain entry. If a program really wanted to know what was going on in secret, it's not that hard for them. Unless it's a super-duper-secret forum, but in that case, it would quickly die due to boring conversations between just a handful of forum faithful. So it leaves me with the question, what is the point.
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Believe me, you are not missing out on anything. My guess is that the partitioning off was merely to cut down on the idle chatter and to keep the focus on specifics. All of which will become public soon enough.
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These are some thoughts I have on this new secret alliance.
1) Fornits is already slow, actually, it's super slow and has been for a while. Out of the tens of thousands of kids that went through programs, not many are showing up here to talk about it. By giving the few regulars that do post a password to a secret forum, then it promotes people posting in secret and new members are going to miss out on the interesting conversations.
The forum will be open to the public shortly (probably on new years, if not earlier). It really doesn't need to be open to the public. It's more or less for planning and a place to organize for the project. The fact that it's on Fornits is Irrelevant. We could do the same on a listserv.
2) It creates a leadership clique. It's hard not to be reminded of the program with this type of tiered membership. Who makes the decision as to who is allowed to get the password and be part of the clique? One person? Does the group take a vote? You see where I'm going with this. It creates a divided forum. Different rules for different people.
The group itself, as explained in my post above, is more or less leaderless. It's a cooperative for working on projects everybody can agree on (yes, such things can and do exist).
3) I thought the point of this forum was to see if a non censored, open free for all discussion on programs would result in the obvious conclusion that programs are bad to those who read it. When a survivors gets outed with their addresses and pictures posted, this argument constantly comes up. If this is going to just be another forum talking about programs, but run by anti-program activists, why allow the humiliation of survivors to continue?
You mention how many times this has come up, so you already know how many times myself and Antigen have addressed that issue. There is no point in reiterating myself yet again on this matter.
4) It creates an atmosphere of less honesty. If you know your membership in a anti-program clique can be revoked at any time, you might hold your tongue as to your real opinion.
I already said there was only one real rule (no referrals). Otherwise, nobody is holding their tongue, but then again, there isn't much need to since the purpose of the group is to act on what we already agree on (not argue about what we don't). When you see what we have in store, I don't think you will be disappointed (unless you work for the industry).
Those are some of my thoughts on this alliance. I don't sign in, so don't worry I am not seeking and would not accept membership. Boo-hoo, right? If I created a persona that appeared to be vehemently anti-program, maybe I could gain entry. If a program really wanted to know what was going on in secret, it's not that hard for them. Unless it's a super-duper-secret forum, but in that case, it would quickly die due to boring conversations between just a handful of forum faithful. So it leaves me with the question, what is the point.
It's more to keep trolls out and keep the work on track for the moment. We're preparing a surprise. You'll like it (again, unless you work for the industry).
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By cooperating on projects that we agree on (such as exposing programs), and not touching areas that we don't agree on (eg. to regulate or not to regulate). Individual organizations can still have their own stances on things. This is more of a "work cooperative" or a "resource sharing partnership" than anything else. The one solid rule everybody agrees on is no referrals, and if you do, you're the fuck out the door.
Wasn't Kevin also doing referals a while back? I guess he learned his lesson if he wants to be part of 'the group.' :rofl:
Yeah, Kev said that, but he's not in charge (nobody is. decisions are by consensus) and i'm pretty sure he regrets saying that. In his defense, everybody says stupid childish shit sometimes. To hold it against him for so long? I'm just not sure that's productive when the anti-WWASP community has so much to offer to the projects this cooperative is considering.
HEAL stands for human, earth, animal liberation which means they want to free rabbits and mice just as much as the kids in programs. That's great if they feel that way, more power to them. But, people need to ask themselves if equating animals and trees to kids locked up against their will is something they feel comfortable with. Is that an organization they want to represent them as a survivor.
Because while different anti-program organizations usually agree on what the problem is, they often have wildly different opinions on dealing with the problem. This has lead to a fair amount of hostility and division which is ultimately counterproductive. This cooperative is to organize projects that the group can agree on (and only that).
There is 'hostility and division' because they have 'wildly different opinions on dealing with the problem'. So what will happen when you attempt to bring all these org's to the table, and attempt to find consensus? Instead of every org doing their own thing, in a way that works for them following their own beliefs, people will be asked to compromise for the sake of unity.
Does anti wwasp want to take flak for what is posted on HEAL? Does issac want to take criticism for the racist threads on fornits? Does fornits want to take responsibility for what cafety does? Each organization has found a niche, and they do their thing well. Fornits is just a forum as far as I know, it doesn't take stances on issues as far as I know. Of course I want all of these organizations to succeed, but I have a bad feeling that attempting to homogenize them will create only infighting, betrayal and more drama. But maybe that's what people want, they do loves the drama 'round here.
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Wasn't Kevin also doing referals a while back? I guess he learned his lesson if he wants to be part of 'the group.' :rofl:
He has. He knows if he were ever to refer again I would bring down the wrath of all that is unholy (not to mention he would be booted out of the group).
HEAL stands for human, earth, animal liberation which means they want to free rabbits and mice just as much as the kids in programs. That's great if they feel that way, more power to them. But, people need to ask themselves if equating animals and trees to kids locked up against their will is something they feel comfortable with. Is that an organization they want to represent them as a survivor.
Well then I guess they shouldnt join heal then.
There is 'hostility and division' because they have 'wildly different opinions on dealing with the problem'. So what will happen when you attempt to bring all these org's to the table, and attempt to find consensus?
That has actually already been done. Now we're at the point where we're working together, and so far it's going more than good. People are starting to have hope again.
Instead of every org doing their own thing, in a way that works for them following their own beliefs, people will be asked to compromise for the sake of unity.
Nope. There will be no compromise. Again, we're not touching issues that we don't agree on. We're acting on what we do.
Does anti wwasp want to take flak for what is posted on HEAL? Does issac want to take criticism for the racist threads on fornits? Does fornits want to take responsibility for what cafety does?
This isn't a union. It's a strategic partnership for working on projects. We are better off pooling resources and working together on what we agree on.
Fornits is just a forum as far as I know, it doesn't take stances on issues as far as I know. Of course I want all of these organizations to succeed, but I have a bad feeling that attempting to homogenize them will create only infighting, betrayal and more drama. But maybe that's what people want, they do loves the drama 'round here.
I had similar skepticism at first, but things have turned out far better than I expected. When we start releasing our little surprises (which we are already working on), you'll agree that working together pays off (unless, of course, you work for the industry and enjoy our division). Anyway. I have to get back to work.
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Believe me, you are not missing out on anything. My guess is that the partitioning off was merely to cut down on the idle chatter and to keep the focus on specifics. All of which will become public soon enough.
Yup. And arguing with the other guest is the sort of Idle chatter I am going to have to choose to avoid right now. His questions have been answered and now I'm getting back to work.
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I already said there was only one real rule (no referrals). Otherwise, nobody is holding their tongue, but then again, there isn't much need to since the purpose of the group is to act on what we already agree on (not argue about what we don't). When you see what we have in store, I don't think you will be disappointed (unless you work for the industry).
Well it's human nature. If everyone here posted as guest, there would be much more lively, interesting and honest conversations. People have an interest in creating and molding their persona, and are acutely aware of who is reading what they post. If I am a username with 250 posts who people feel comfortable with, and suddenly start saying that I believe some programs are great, but others are bad, you know that will piss certain people off. So why say it? Well I can, because I am just an anonymous, but people with an interest in being liked, accepted and allowed to remain in secret alliances aren't so lucky. It happens in all organizations, it's universal, it's human nature.
It's more to keep trolls out and keep the work on track for the moment. We're preparing a surprise. You'll like it (again, unless you work for the industry).
Well that doesn't sound like fornits, at least the fornits that is explained with idealism explaining why a survivors address and pictures should remain for the world to see. If fornits compromises these values, then why not do survivors a solid and delete threads they feel are dangerous to them? Or why not host this secret forum at cafety, or anti wwasp, which are already regulated? Is it because you want to be in charge of it, and retain control? This isn't a negative accusation, I am sincerely curious because from my vantage point, it doesn't make a lot of sense to compromise fornits 'values' for this project, but let some survivors hang out to dry infinitum.
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Well it's human nature. If everyone here posted as guest, there would be much more lively, interesting and honest conversations. People have an interest in creating and molding their persona, and are acutely aware of who is reading what they post. If I am a username with 250 posts who people feel comfortable with, and suddenly start saying that I believe some programs are great, but others are bad, you know that will piss certain people off. So why say it? Well I can, because I am just an anonymous, but people with an interest in being liked, accepted and allowed to remain in secret alliances aren't so lucky. It happens in all organizations, it's universal, it's human nature.
Anonymity also means that your credibility, identity, and agenda (such as yours) is secret. That isn't conducive to working on the sort of group project are currently working together on.
It's more to keep trolls out and keep the work on track for the moment. We're preparing a surprise. You'll like it (again, unless you work for the industry).
Well that doesn't sound like fornits, at least the fornits that is explained with idealism explaining why a survivors address and pictures should remain for the world to see. If fornits compromises these values, then why not do survivors a solid and delete threads they feel are dangerous to them? Or why not host this secret forum at cafety, or anti wwasp, which are already regulated? Is it because you want to be in charge of it, and retain control?
AntiWWASP's forum was down (still isn't working, afaik) and Fornits is a neutral place for those from different ideological backgrounds (but still a common anti-industry purpose) to discuss action. Again, I could have set up a list-serve but it didn't occur to me. Oh the humanity it's horrible! the sky will fall, rivers will run with blood and nazis will ride on dinosaurs!
Look. The point is, we are working together now, and if you don't like it... tough shit. I have work to do. Good bye (really this time).
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Because the project isn't about fornits. The fornits forums just happens to be the place where it is located at the very moment. Given time, and soon hopefully, the project will be located on an entirely new forums.
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Anonymity also means that your credibility, identity, and agenda (such as yours) is secret. That isn't conducive to working on the sort of group project are currently working together on.
You are assuming that what people present to you, and tell you, is accurate. I could convince you my credibility, identity and agenda are sincere when in fact my motives are anything but. It all depends on how much effort one wants to put into it. I am no longer naive enough to assume what people present to me is accurate, so I choose not to waste my time in that realm. Especially over the net.
AntiWWASP's forum was down (still isn't working, afaik) and Fornits is a neutral place for those from different ideological backgrounds (but still a common anti-industry purpose) to discuss action. Again, I could have set up a list-serve but it didn't occur to me. Oh the humanity it's horrible! the sky will fall, rivers will run with blood and nazis will ride on dinosaurs!
Look. The point is, we are working together now, and if you don't like it... tough shit. I have work to do. Good bye (really this time).
I'm just making discussion. Asking questions because I'm curious. Didn't know that was a crime. Not sure why it rubs you the wrong way. After all, once upon a time, this was an active discussion forum.
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Well that doesn't sound like fornits, at least the fornits that is explained with idealism explaining why a survivors address and pictures should remain for the world to see. If fornits compromises these values, then why not do survivors a solid and delete threads they feel are dangerous to them? Or why not host this secret forum at cafety, or anti wwasp, which are already regulated? Is it because you want to be in charge of it, and retain control? This isn't a negative accusation, I am sincerely curious because from my vantage point, it doesn't make a lot of sense to compromise fornits 'values' for this project, but let some survivors hang out to dry infinitum.
Are you talking about what happened to Stoodoo and Zen's daughter? It is terrible that her name, address and pictures are still up, you are right. But her information and pictures were posted continuously by individuals who aren't regulars of Fornits, CAFETY, HEAL, ANTIWWASP, ISAC, etc. That was industry related activity designed to break a family, not something done in a moment of anger. It would be armageddon for the industry hack who posted that girl's info over and over if Zen Agent and Che Gookin caught 'em, LOL. They would take turns kicking that behind.
Stoodoo says her daughter is okay with it now and understands. Her pictures and info still on the forum are a jarring reminder of how low the TTI will stoop to protect its interests.
These discussions geared toward cooperation between groups for a united effort could lead to wiping out the industry.
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Seems that Survivorship has gone corporate to me. No offense to anyone and their efforts of course, but its all so very complicated around here.
Frankly, I find the idea of any secret groups or or any "groups" at all here repugnant. I understand the need to organize to create change in the teen hate industry...but this forum has become completely unfriendly to your average newbie looking for information. (We had our share of trolls and infighting then too, but the scales seem rather tipped to that end these days).
In the Straight forum you'd get a few new people every month or so, old survivors and new ones....I havent seen anyone new in years. Its disturbing to me because even just judging from the group size my program held at any given time over a period of 5-6 years (250+ clients)...you'd think there would be more action. And thats just from my program.
Anyway, call me old fashioned...but things used to be alot easier around this forum, and for all the posturing Ive seen precious little to be done in the way of establishing lasting change to the program industry. Some might take offense to that, and I concede that I am not an activist....just my opinion.
LOOOVE ya Psy! LOOOVE ya Che! LOOOOOOOVE ya GROOOOP! :cheers:
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Some might take offense to that, and I concede that I am not an activist....just my opinion.
Yeah.. same here.. I'm an asshole, not an activist.
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? I hear folks have the password, guess I aint welcome, LOL... hmm, that's ok. Ever since HEAL broke off diplomatic ties with ISAC, I guess I'm not surprised at anything anymore.
RG
Y did heal break off ties to isac? Can someone tell me?
they're like the 'judeon people's front' in 'life of brian.'
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Seems that Survivorship has gone corporate to me. No offense to anyone and their efforts of course, but its all so very complicated around here.
Frankly, I find the idea of any secret groups or or any "groups" at all here repugnant. I understand the need to organize to create change in the teen hate industry...but this forum has become completely unfriendly to your average newbie looking for information. (We had our share of trolls and infighting then too, but the scales seem rather tipped to that end these days).
In the Straight forum you'd get a few new people every month or so, old survivors and new ones....I havent seen anyone new in years. Its disturbing to me because even just judging from the group size my program held at any given time over a period of 5-6 years (250+ clients)...you'd think there would be more action. And thats just from my program.
Anyway, call me old fashioned...but things used to be alot easier around this forum, and for all the posturing Ive seen precious little to be done in the way of establishing lasting change to the program industry. Some might take offense to that, and I concede that I am not an activist....just my opinion.
LOOOVE ya Psy! LOOOVE ya Che! LOOOOOOOVE ya GROOOOP! :cheers:
LOVE YE TOO, CARMEL!...ha ha ha ha
Carmel, I could not agree with ye more that is why I have chosen to stay out of the "alliance" completely.
BTW, how the hell are ye? I hope all is well. I do miss ye around these here parts. Maybe some of you oldie but goodies should come show some of the newbies how it's done.
Oh, yeah and I am an activist and not afraid to claim it.
warm regards,
-DP
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? I hear folks have the password, guess I aint welcome, LOL... hmm, that's ok. Ever since HEAL broke off diplomatic ties with ISAC, I guess I'm not surprised at anything anymore.
RG
Y did heal break off ties to isac? Can someone tell me?
they're like the 'judeon people's front' in 'life of brian.'
http://leftspot.com/blog/?q=node/129 (http://leftspot.com/blog/?q=node/129)
interesting parallel. It was more of a "power tripping my way or the highway" type thing and a "I don't give a shit about you" or "don't tell me what to do even though I have no clue" type thing. Nothing to worry about though.
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:roflmao: :roflmao: :roflmao: I can recognize some of the players already!! I submit first dibs on playing 'Frank Goliath, the Macedonian baby-crusher.'
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Life of Brian, Scene 7 (http://http://leftspot.com/blog/?q=node/129)
Submitted by LS on Tue, 10/17/2006 - 11:46am.
Scene 7 from the movie Life of Brian (http://http://www.mwscomp.com/movies/brian/brian-07.htm) is the funniest commentary on splits and sectarianism on the left that has made it to the movies. If you haven't seen Monty Python's Life of Brian (http://http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Life_of_Brian), I encourage you to go rent or buy it and watch it immediately.
edit: or you can see the video of this scene online here (http://http://youtube.com/watch?v=iiaa6BTzrh8) (thanks to red scare for the link)
Here is the dialogue from the infamous Scene 7:
(reprinted from here (http://http://www.mwscomp.com/movies/brian/brian-07.htm))
Scene 7
Brian meets the P.F.J. [People's Front of Judea] at the forum
[trumpets]
[clap clap clap]
ANNOUNCER:
Ladies and gentlemen. The next contest is between... Frank Goliath, the Macedonian baby-crusher, and Boris Mineburg.
BRIAN:
Want some...
VOICE:
Thank you, fellows.
BRIAN:
Larks' tongues. Wrens' livers. Chaffinch brains. Jaguars' earlobes. Wolf nipple chips. Get 'em while they're hot. They're lovely. Dromedary pretzels, only half a denar. Tuscany fried bats.
JUDITH:
I do feel, Reg, that any Anti-Imperialist group like ours must reflect such a divergence of interests within its power-base.
REG:
Agreed. Francis?
FRANCIS:
Yeah. I think Judith's point of view is very valid, Reg, provided the Movement never forgets that it is the inalienable right of every man--
STAN:
Or woman.
FRANCIS:
Or woman... to rid himself--
STAN:
Or herself.
FRANCIS:
Or herself.
REG:
Agreed.
FRANCIS:
Thank you, brother.
STAN:
Or sister.
FRANCIS:
Or sister. Where was I?
REG:
I think you'd finished.
FRANCIS:
Oh. Right.
REG:
Furthermore, it is the birthright of every man--
STAN:
Or woman.
REG:
Why don't you shut up about women, Stan. You're putting us off.
STAN:
Women have a perfect right to play a part in our movement, Reg.
FRANCIS:
Why are you always on about women, Stan?
STAN:
I want to be one.
REG:
What?
STAN:
I want to be a woman. From now on, I want you all to call me 'Loretta'.
REG:
What?!
LORETTA:
It's my right as a man.
JUDITH:
Well, why do you want to be Loretta, Stan?
LORETTA:
I want to have babies.
REG:
You want to have babies?!
LORETTA:
It's every man's right to have babies if he wants them.
REG:
But... you can't have babies.
LORETTA:
Don't you oppress me.
REG:
I'm not oppressing you, Stan. You haven't got a womb! Where's the foetus going to gestate?! You going to keep it in a box?!
LORETTA:
[crying]
JUDITH:
Here! I-- I've got an idea. Suppose you agree that he can't actually have babies, not having a womb, which is nobody's fault, not even the Romans', but that he can have the right to have babies.
FRANCIS:
Good idea, Judith. We shall fight the oppressors for your right to have babies, brother. Sister. Sorry.
REG:
What's the point?
FRANCIS:
What?
REG:
What's the point of fighting for his right to have babies when he can't have babies?!
FRANCIS:
It is symbolic of our struggle against oppression.
REG:
Symbolic of his struggle against reality.
[trumpets]
[clap clap clap]
GUARD:
Get out there.
BORIS:
It's, um--
GUARD:
Get out there.
BORIS:
It's dangerous out there. Ah ah. Ah! Oh.
[clap clap clap]
[clank]
Ooh.
CROWD:
Aaah. Ohh...
SPECTATOR:
What a load of rubbish.
BRIAN:
Larks' tongues. Otters' noses. Ocelot spleens.
REG:
Got any nuts?
BRIAN:
I haven't got any nuts. Sorry. I've got wrens' livers, badgers' spleens--
REG:
No, no, no.
BRIAN:
Otters' noses?
REG:
I don't want any of that Roman rubbish.
JUDITH:
Why don't you sell proper food?
BRIAN:
Proper food?
REG:
Yeah, not those rich imperialist tit-bits.
BRIAN:
Well, don't blame me. I didn't ask to sell this stuff.
REG:
All right. Bag of otters' noses, then.
FRANCIS:
Make it two.
REG:
Two.
FRANCIS:
Thanks, Reg.
BRIAN:
Are you the Judean People's Front?
REG:
Fuck off!
BRIAN:
What?
REG:
Judean People's Front. We're the People's Front of Judea! Judean People's Front. Cawk.
FRANCIS:
Wankers.
BRIAN:
Can I... join your group?
REG:
No. Piss off.
BRIAN:
I didn't want to sell this stuff. It's only a job. I hate the Romans as much as anybody.
PEOPLE'S FRONT OF JUDEA:
Shhhh. Shhhh. Shhh. Shh. Shhhh.
REG:
Schtum.
JUDITH:
Are you sure?
BRIAN:
Oh, dead sure. I hate the Romans already.
REG:
Listen. If you really wanted to join the P.F.J., you'd have to really hate the Romans.
BRIAN:
I do!
REG:
Oh, yeah? How much?
BRIAN:
A lot!
REG:
Right. You're in. Listen. The only people we hate more than the Romans are the fucking Judean People's Front.
P.F.J.:
Yeah...
JUDITH:
Splitters.
P.F.J.:
Splitters...
FRANCIS:
And the Judean Popular People's Front.
P.F.J.:
Yeah. Oh, yeah. Splitters. Splitters...
LORETTA:
And the People's Front of Judea.
P.F.J.:
Yeah. Splitters. Splitters...
REG:
What?
LORETTA:
The People's Front of Judea. Splitters.
REG:
We're the People's Front of Judea!
LORETTA:
Oh. I thought we were the Popular Front.
REG:
People's Front! C-huh.
FRANCIS:
Whatever happened to the Popular Front, Reg?
REG:
He's over there.
P.F.J.:
Splitter!
GOLIATH:
[pant pant pant] Ooh. Ooh. I-- I think I'm about to have a... cardiac arrest. Ooh. Ooh.
SPECTATOR:
Absolutely dreadful. Hmm.
CROWD:
[cheering]
REG:
Yes, brother! Ha ha. What's your name?
BRIAN:
Brian. Brian Cohen.
REG:
We may have a little job for you, Brian.
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In addition to the submitted YouTube clip (http://http://youtube.com/watch?v=iiaa6BTzrh8) noted above in the "edit" sentence, here are some other priceless comments left for this blog entry:
Of course . . .
Submitted by Modern Pitung (not verified) on Tue, 10/17/2006 - 1:37pm.
For all the hoopla about the Popular Front of Judea reflecting the communist Left, Life of Brian contains one of the most cutting analyses of the failures of anarchism/liberalism (and bourgeois individualism in general).
Insert your basic anarchist-with-a-clue into the role of Brian and you'll see what I mean:
BRIAN: Look. You've got it all wrong. You don't need to follow me. You don't need to follow anybody! You've got to think for yourselves. You're all individuals!
FOLLOWERS: Yes, we're all individuals!
BRIAN: You're all different!
FOLLOWERS: Yes, we are all different!
DENNIS: I'm not.
ARTHUR: Shhhh!
FOLLOWERS: Shh! Shhhh! Shhh!
Great scene and Movie.
Submitted by ShineThePath (not verified) on Thu, 10/19/2006 - 7:34pm.
This is a great scene and movie. One of the most memorable scenes of course is when the Judean People's Front run into the Campaign for a Free Galilee who were plotting the exact same tactic to kidnap Pilot's wife. They end of course all killing themselves in front of two Roman guards.
Another great scene is when the leaders of People's Front of Judea organize a meeting. And discuss what needs to be done about Brian's cruxification as he is being crucified.
Some great quotes
"Reg, our glorious leader and founder of the P.F.J., will be coordinating consultant at the drain head, though he himself will not be taking part in any terrorist action, as he has a bad back."
"BRIAN: We mustn't fight each other! Surely we should be united against the common enemy!
EVERYONE: The Judean People's Front?!
BRIAN: No, no! The Romans! "
Scene 21 is also memorable
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In addition to the submitted YouTube clip (http://http://youtube.com/watch?v=iiaa6BTzrh8) noted above in the "edit" sentence, here are some other priceless comments left for this blog entry:
Of course . . .
Submitted by Modern Pitung (not verified) on Tue, 10/17/2006 - 1:37pm.
For all the hoopla about the Popular Front of Judea reflecting the communist Left, Life of Brian contains one of the most cutting analyses of the failures of anarchism/liberalism (and bourgeois individualism in general).
Insert your basic anarchist-with-a-clue into the role of Brian and you'll see what I mean:
BRIAN: Look. You've got it all wrong. You don't need to follow me. You don't need to follow anybody! You've got to think for yourselves. You're all individuals!
FOLLOWERS: Yes, we're all individuals!
BRIAN: You're all different!
FOLLOWERS: Yes, we are all different!
DENNIS: I'm not.
ARTHUR: Shhhh!
FOLLOWERS: Shh! Shhhh! Shhh!
Great scene and Movie.
Submitted by ShineThePath (not verified) on Thu, 10/19/2006 - 7:34pm.
This is a great scene and movie. One of the most memorable scenes of course is when the Judean People's Front run into the Campaign for a Free Galilee who were plotting the exact same tactic to kidnap Pilot's wife. They end of course all killing themselves in front of two Roman guards.
Another great scene is when the leaders of People's Front of Judea organize a meeting. And discuss what needs to be done about Brian's cruxification as he is being crucified.
Some great quotes
"Reg, our glorious leader and founder of the P.F.J., will be coordinating consultant at the drain head, though he himself will not be taking part in any terrorist action, as he has a bad back."
"BRIAN: We mustn't fight each other! Surely we should be united against the common enemy!
EVERYONE: The Judean People's Front?!
BRIAN: No, no! The Romans! "
Scene 21 is also memorable
Love monte python. good to see a fellow admirer. yes, they send up a lot of movements accurately. No more fighting, whippersnappers, you!