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Treatment Abuse, Behavior Modification, Thought Reform => The Troubled Teen Industry => Topic started by: Anonymous on August 02, 2003, 09:57:00 AM
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sorry people, i know this is a free board but this person, Carey, is nothing but a jealous mother of twins that wasn't even part of WWASPs. she is angry at her ex husband, angry at almost all of us, and just an outragious source of negative energy that is being wasted on this board. Oh, she saved her twins from the programs, o-kay, we respect that, and she wasn't dumb enough to fall for wwasps, great, but i wonder how her ex got custody of them? theres a thought.
i know other boards can eliminate people and i really think you should consider this one, she has done nothing but condemn the sufferings of others. she attacks genuine, caring people that really have suffered. what gives her the right?
just because she isn't front page news anymore, she seems to be attacking anyone that is.
let her go.
if you can't, i recommend no one respond to her ignorance, as one anon said.
she needs some serious help.
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Sue,
I plan on telling the whole truth and nothing but the truth so help me God. I am sure that does scare you. It should. You have played a part in the wrong doings that have occured.
What you need to learn is that you can not shut people up. You need to learn that if you go about your business doing what is right in life then you won't have to fear the truth.
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i am shocked, SHOCKED to discover that WWASPies are now resorting to covert email attacks on their opponents. Is there no limit to their shame? Oh wait, I already the answer to that one...
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paranoid now? i am not sue, but we certianly can see you have mental issues about that person, and others.
paranioa, don't know the spelling, can be a form of mental illness. poor soul.
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I am not paranoid. Why should I be? If you are not Sue, then why not say who you are?
Asking to remove someone from a board for speaking their piece was done by you in the past,Sue.
Are you paranoid?
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SCOTT IS RIGHT - FOR THE RECORD, MANY OF US DONT CONSIDER CAREY AS PART OF OUR TEAM. SHE IS ON HER OWN IN HER OWN WORLD. SHE LOST HER CREDIBILITY WITH US A LONG TIME AGO. AS SHE STATED, SHE DIDNT FALL FOR WWASPS AS US STUPID PEOPLE DID.
PARANOID, YUP, THAT IS A GOOD WORD FOR HER. GUESS SHE DOESNT REALIZE THAT MANY OF US ARE NOT ON HER SIDE.
I VOTE ELIMINATION, NOT THAT IT COUNTS.
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Come back when you grow up. That would mean come back when you can stand up for yourself and state your name. Of course maybe you don't feel like you can state your name because you know that no one would respect your opinion based on who you are.
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Carey is veyr entertaining. We need this humor once in a while. Using anon doesnt mean a thing. But it is a convenient way for soem to justify we are not telling the truth. Heck, it will come out in the end.
I vote not to remove Carey, she is a joke and we all need a laugh once in a while. I do feel bad for her, but maybe she will get some help. We should pray for her to find peace and a good shrink.
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Anon,
I know I scare you. I know that is why you hide behind the Anon postings. I know that is why you are so outraged by what I say. I scare you because of my creditabilty. I scare you because I have no other motives. I have never had any other motive other than that of protecting my children.
I have fought against a lot of those who claim to be on the side of help. If I am called to testify in this case, I will tell the TRUTH. I will tell how and why I did what I did. It will hurt some of those who say they are PURE. You may not understand this, but that is why, I will not claim myself to be on the same side as PURE. Does that mean I am on the same side as WWASP, NO it does not. However, I will be specific and state that my issues were with Dundee. I have had very little dealings with WWASP, itself. If I learned anything good from my conversations with the rape victims mother, it was that I should limit my accusations and make them specific to the program I was involved in...as that is where my experience of the program comes from. Once again, you may not like my comments, but I am being honest!
All I have ever been about is the TRUTH. If you are here for entertainment, then I feel sorry for you. If you see the subject matter as a joke, then you are missing the whole point.
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Carey,
I normally sit on the sideline, but YOU have crossed over!!! Calm down a little. I too, like you first wanted to scream & shout at everyone & anyone about wwasps. However, in my year of existence against wwasps, I have learned patience. If you do not pace yourself, YOU will suffer burn out. Take it from me, I?ve been there.
I started out wanting to attack everyone who knew anything about this sore subject. Now, almost one year later, I have discovered this child reform industry is bigger than just you, me or Sue Scheff. There are many players out there on THE team behind the scheme so to speak. There are also individuals who are in the foreground pertaining to these major issues & others assisting these key people.
MY suggestion to you is; PLEASE!!! Refrain from name calling & attacking individuals within this clique of people. The Ryan's, the Sue's, the Karen's & many others you have concluded as the enemy. Everyone's contributions will pay off one day. But it will take everyone's efforts, not just YOU.
I personally have spent many hours, months, & all of my extra time on researching these wrong doers. Others have had children involved within these programs, some cousins, some nieces, nephews & some NOT even related to someone incarcerated behind wwasps walls. A few people just like the cause it self or the person responsible for assembling a group against wwasps / child abuse.
MY question to you is why attack everyone or their opinion? All of us, YOU included are entitled to an opinion. Just because yours or mine differs does not constitute me as bad or good......it just means we think differently. Why waste your energy feeding to people who are egging you on? Utilize YOUR talents exposing wwasps NOT trashing everyone. Some people are fearful of counter attacks from wwasps & stay behind the schemes others stick their necks out & ASSIST kids in need.
None of us are ever going to agree about every issue. Although, we have assembled to fight a common cause concerning child abuse, all of our tactics vary. Why don?t YOU join in & contribute instead of standing on the outside trashing a group of people. You NEVER asked for any assistance for any of your court appearances!!! A person?s financial status should NOT be the criteria for segregation!!! Anyone with or without money can work towards a common goal. Be civil about this whole issue & review some of YOUR OWN advice. As your last statement warrants, ?grow up?.
This post may just fuel YOUR fire or it may wake YOU up. My intentions were to open your eyes & not to close them. My recommendation to you is to sit back for a day, review some of your antics on certain individuals & why. YOUR outbursts only happen when everything doesn?t go YOUR way. Everything is one sided in YOUR view, YOUR side & that's it!!! Life doesn't work that way; right is NOT always right & justice is NOT always served in YOUR favor, regardless of the evidence.
Kindest Regards,
Lee
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Oh, i am shaking now, let me pull my bag over my head tighter. Scared? Yes, if it makes you feel better or that you are succeeding, but i am scared you are a very loose person and in need of help. i am in fear for those around you. So yes, scared of you is right!
Get off your pure b-llcrap, it is getting old not to mention not important to the real picture. Who cares about pure or sue anyway, well, you do since you keep bringing them up. Now you include Amberly too, next.
Thanks Turbine, but I doubt she will listen.
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Lee,
"You NEVER asked for any assistance for any of your court appearances."
Yes I did. I asked Amberly for assistance and I asked Sue. I wanted Amberly to allow me to show her letter to the PANI to the judge who was hearing my case. The answer was no. Why? I don't know.
Sue knew about Randall. He could have made a statement. They both had been there. But no, Sue was worried about her law suit, defamation of character, not kids.
Two ex directors who could have come forward. One with whom knew what I was going through. The other with whom only needed to be contacted. But Sue held that information close to her heart.
You see there is a lot that you all don't know. I guess that is why Sue booted me from your listserv and why "someone" would like to do the same here.
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Carey - get real! You KNOW why none of those people would go to court! If Amberly had her letter admitted as evidence, she would have been guilty of purgery. It's one thing to write a letter by a disgruntled employee, but another to actually use it in a court of law.
It's just my humble opinion, but it looks like that would have been the case for the other's as well. It's one thing to write things, it's another to speak them in court.
Since you were "instrumental" in getting Dundee closed, then they will probably re-open, once all the investigations are complete and the damage to the grounds is repaired. I agree that changes need to be made, but my hope is that they don't resort to "fluff" care like the one that I just read about here.
You said your boys admitted they needed to be there and it was helping them. I see you trying to make them wrong - what is your relationship with them now?
I agree that you need to take a break. Treat yourself to a week long cruise or something where you don't have internet access.
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Where did I say that my boys admitted to needing to be at Dundee? Can you please show me where I said that?
NO, you can't. It was never said!
NO ONE NEEDS TO BE ABUSED!!!!!!
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Excuse me Anon, but the correct spelling is PERJURY.
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Carey,
I personally never once heard you mention help with court or anything of that nature. Now, you may have sought the assistance of others & yes I may not have been aware of any of what transpired in that transaction.
The people you sought out who had formally been employed by wwasps are without a doubt able to assist with a class action law suit...I do not know for sure who is on it or not?
The point I previously discussed with you personally was exposing ALL of the aces that were in some of our hands. I expressed the desire as a group NOT to expose all of our legal info at that time. I believe this was when you were after Dena / Ashley over the rape incident. As long as neither person comes forward, then there will never be a case. I was as frustrated as you were with Dena's issues not exposing wwasps or filing a law suit at that time. Apparently, wwasps either paid the parties off OR Dena & Ashley both decided not to press charges against all parties involved.
YOU seem to still miss the point in my previous post...YOU may have a legitimate beef with Sue Scheff & or P.U.R.E. Take that up with her personally...........NOT all over this board.
The other point is why are you attacking everyone? Amberly, Randall, Ryan, Karen, my self & my family, etc... I received the rich snobby email that you accused us all of. I took that personally, as did my family. WE are by any stretch of the imagination wealthy in $, but are abundant in family values, respect & love.
My family's main objective has always been to hold wwasps accountable for what they defrauded my family of. Eventually, with everyone's assistance wwasps will be held responsible for what they did to my family & at the same time everyone else out there who has been hosed by these money grubbing savages will obtain their honor as well. It will be a group effort & NOT an I issue.
You assisted in closing Dundee, believe me YOU did NOT do it alone. ISAC'S, may have contributed, Martha may have helped, allot of players were involved with closing Dundee, NOT JUST YOU. There wasn't one person responsible for any of the closure of Dundee, it was a group consortium. All of the people YOU are trashing & accusing of not helping...WRONG, they did.
I'm just asking you personally to take a break from all of this. If it isn't but one day, go have some fun. Living & breathing wwasps 24/7 will only be YOUR down fall. This crap gets to you after awhile; I'm speaking from experience.
WWASPS maybe currently ahead at this point, eventually with everyone's efforts we will prevail.
Regards,
Lee
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that's me above...I hit say it before I signed on. Regards, Lee
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I would be very surprised if Dundee reopens. For one thing, no wwasp program has ever obtained the necesary licenses and permissions from the local/state/ govts to my knowledge. Since it is illegal to hold a teenager against their will in Costa Rica as well as being illegal to torture them the way they were doing, I doubt any WWASP program will be opened in Costa Rica again.
As for Coronado academy, I cannot say what they are about but they are certainly a lot more open than WWASP ever was. Its a small boarding school with some specialty elements but it seems like its primarily a school that just has a lot of flexibility because it is so small and has so much money to spend per student.
You can call healthy meals, clean sheets, and qualified teachers fluff if you like but that is what any sane parent would expect from any traditional boarding school for normal kids, so why do they expect a more brutal and rigid and unsanitary environment for the kids who have been abused and neglected and kids with psychological disorders like OCD and depression. :wstupid:
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You know Lee, I had pretty much turned away form the discussion of Ryan and Sue until Karen's post this morning accusing me of posting anonymously.
I will not sit back and let her dis me nor will I sit back and let anyone give praise to someone who has played a big part in my families pain.
This is not a game to me. This is my life. My family has been hurt by a lot of people in this industry. I intend on making others aware of exactly what has happened. What ya'll are afraid of is my persistance.
I am sorry if I offended you and Nancy with my comments on "studpid rich parents." I know all parents don't fall into that catagory. However, when it comes to parents who place kids in WWASP schools, I think probably most do. I am sure there are others like myself whose ex have used and are using places like Dundee to keep their kids away from the other parent. My ex has only talked to his boys 3 times since their return home (3 times in 9 months). He is one of those "stupid rich parents." He sent them away at about the same time he got his new young girl friend pregnant. How do you think my boys feel about that. Pretty hurt inside, I might say.
Sue, she recommend Steve, the consultant. He stirred it up good. He was the biggest con of all. Just like Sue. He took us for a ride. A money ride. She is responsible for her part in that.
And once again, I do not take credit for closing Dundee. Dundee is closed because Dundee was operating illegally. All I did was make the authorities aware of their existance there.
I did pressure Ambelry to come forward when I was trying to get the story on the rape. I was posting her name on every board I could find. I never dreamed she would have responded. She did. I thought she was fired because of the incident. I thought she was involved in some way. Do I think Amberly is creditable? Yes. Do I see her as a hero? No. Am I angry with her? Yes. She did not come forward until she was pressed to come forward. I imagine when all of this goes to court, Dena will have to come forward to testify. So may Ashley. So may Andy.
As far as me not asking you for help in court, you could not help. Your child had not been at Dundee. I asked of those who I knew the judge would listen to. Those who had first hand knowledge of Dundee. Who better to help then those who had quit because of what they witnessed.
Lee, what I think you all need to understand is that you don't get to decide where the line is drawn.
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FaceKhan - I AM SURPRISED, I think?? at your post. You, of all people, damn every program out there - they're a program, right?? So now you seem to be defending them as a better place than Dundee? Is that because they seem to encourage interaction between male/female troubled teens? You must get some satisfaction in thinking they are drinking tequila and having sex in the rain forest. What's up??
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my comments on "stupid rich parents." I know all parents don't fall into that category. However, I think probably most due.
This is YOUR assumption. I can assure you that you are far from the truth, pertaining to us.
Carey,
You continue to us words such as ya'll & you all. I am writing for me & my family only!!! I am not representing a group or any one else for that matter. That is your assumption.
How do you know anything I said in a court of law would not have affected the outcome? I have wwasps experience from Casa, just NOT Dundee! Their scam is the same, just different locations!
I have done quit a bit of research pertaining to wwasps & yes some of it comes from someone YOU personally do not care for. I can't help that issue. I do however; think you have the same agenda as others. It's just your methods need to be curtailed slightly. There are ways to find the information you are trying to obtain without an all out war against people. That is my only concern with YOU!!!
I do know that I do not draw any lines for YOU, but I do draw well when it pertains to my family. All I am trying to do is to assist YOU & not discredit your efforts. I am looking at this from the outside in & your perspective is from the inside out. I guess what I am trying to say is, currently to ME you appear foolish with your endeavors!!! If however, you changed some of your strategy to reach out against wwasps & NOT to verbally assault others. Then to ME, your antics would be worth while, to everyone. The saying; "you can catch more fly?s with honey" comes to mind.
I understand your situation, I've been there & done that...I even purchased the t-shirt. Ex's, wwasps, etc... The sooner you resolve your issue with the ex the better. The best thing that could transpire from that is his help against wwasps, if that's possible? Just a thought!!! Believe me, I'm going on 13 years now & still have to bite my tongue pertaining to an ex.
Carey, at this point I personally do not care what YOU do. I just thought I?d give you MY opinion. Take it or leave it & best wishes with your quest!!!
Regards,
Lee
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Amen KarenZ. You have a team behind you, Carey has Deborah (who is not even involved in WWASPS) and maybe one or two others. And Deborah that is not against you, just stating it.
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Karen,
You talk about things you know nothing about. It was not until our last court date that the decision was made that the boys would not be returned to Dundee. That was in March.
It was in June that Mike decided to try and sue me to have me pay for part of the tuition that Dundee cost him. Karen you have big problems with getting clear facts on the things you bring up.
Steve and his "escorts" went to see the volcano on me. Steve could have left and went back to the states on Tuesday after we picked up the boys. He told me that he could not get a flight out until Friday and that I would have to pay him for the full week. That was bull. I checked with the airport and the time in which we were there was a slow time. There were plenty of open flights available. Steve stayed and visted another school while in Costa Rica at my expense. He lied. I hope and pray Steve, Sue and I get called to testify in this case. I have the bills, the cancelled reciepts and the proof that Steve took me for a ride. I have the emails from Sue and her pushing me to take Steve with me. I have it all!!!
Karen you better learn to be right about what you say. Your "so what" is gonna cost a lot of people some problems.
Maybe even the reporter who went with us will be called to testify on Steve.
"Why would I think I needed help telling the court why I pulled my boys from Dundee the way I did?" Karen do you suppose it might be hard for me to prove the abuse that was going on there. My ex is saying how great the place is. The judge is getting letters from lots of Dundee parents who just love the program. Would you suppose that maybe if the judge heard it from the ex directors it might make a difference? Duh, do you get it now?
The boys are drug screened now, judges orders. And you know what happened Karen the judge was told one of them tested positive. This was in May. The judge wanted to send both of them back to Dundee. You know what, she couldn't. The place was shut down. The boy who had a false positive denied smoking marijuana. So she ordered a hair test. You know what it came back negative. He had told the truth. So for your information, they have had to worry about being sent back there ever since they left. How do you think they have been doing after all they have been through? Or do you even care? Do you think I should not be pissed off because Amberly or others could have helped them to not have to worry about that simply by stating the truth.
You know nothing about what has happened. Keep your mouth shut until you do! Nobody knows the extent of what my boys and I have been through you idiot.
Why do you continue to be so stupid?
One more thing, Karen you said, "I'm not clear on some of this." Are you clear on ANYTHING?
[ This Message was edited by: Carey on 2003-08-02 19:47 ]
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carey, you are so out of line. guess that is why this thread is named what it is. do you really think anyone would call you to testify? there would be a question of mental stability. keep it going, you are the one continueing to look foolish, not karen.
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Who knows Anon, WWASP may call me to testify. Isn't that really your biggest fear?
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carey, you just proved you would testify for the enemy. that speaks volumes! you are definitely scary. testifying for people that have abused children and frauded parents, why? for your own self serving attitude, to prove you are important. yes, you are to them. not to us though.
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Don't put words in my mouth. I did not say I would testify FOR them. I said they may call me to testify. That is what you fear!
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same difference dear.
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The previous post was mine.
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Maybe the same to a simpleton, but check with an attorney they will tell you different.
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Anon wrote:
Amen KarenZ. You have a team behind you, Carey has Deborah (who is not even involved in WWASPS) and maybe one or two others. And Deborah that is not against you, just stating it.
In case you haven't noticed, this board is not limited to discussion about WWASP. Involvement with WWASP is not a condition of participation. So what is your point? Sounds like another of your pathetic ramblings and attempts to do whatever the hell it is your trying to do. Do you have any clue how ridiculous you sound?
And, it's not your place to come to this board and draw a line and sort out who is on which "side". Your comment that Carey has "Deborah and maybe one or two others" is another of your warped imaginings? I'm not aware of any poll being conducted, and you have no idea what people here are thinking.
Go back and read my comments again, very
s-l-o-w-l-y so it has a chance to penetrate your ignorance. I am not and have never been a part of this fued, but when you chose to bring it here, to a public forum; your anonymous, pathetic and juvenile antics are open to mine and other's comments.
To date, what I have noticed is that Carey has been attacked with numerous unfounded accusations. Your "group" migrated over here and are making comments about her situation that are inaccurate. Her responses seem pretty damn honest, rational, and sincere to me. More than can be said about anyone on the other "side".
She doesn't sound like a crazy person to me. Passionate, driven, maybe, but not crazy. Many of us go through that phase.
Any rational and intellegent parent considering a program for their child should be concerned after reading your "groups" messages. Parents, think about that when contemplating your decision !!
Teen Help facilities are chock full of kids who come from homes run by these sorts of imbeciles.
Imbecile- n., from adjective, weak, weak-minded, a mentally deficient person; especially : a feebleminded person having a mental age of three to seven years and requiring supervision in the performance of routine daily tasks of self-care
Is that really who you want your child co-mingling with?
Carey has her sons home, dealing with the challenges that are a part of the teen years. I commend her for that. Where are your children? You anon parents willing to share which facilities Sue helped you select when you left WWASP, soes other parents can steer clear?
Deborah
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I cannot fault Carey for rightly demanding that those who could help her kids get out of wwasp and stay out of wwasp do so.
If my sons had been tortured at wwasp I would be pretty pissed off too and not just at wwasp but at anyone who could have done something to spare them even one minute of that torment but didn't.
I also understand why some of those people chose not to act at that time. Sometimes it is necesary to wait till the time is right before coming forward. Carey's goal was to help her sons and that is the goal she should have, but many others have the goal of shutting down wwasp and that goal took precedence over just two kids.
They had to choose between the continued suffering of two kids and the potential that many more would suffer if they made their move at the wrong time.
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If I were to accept that explanation, then I would be accepting the fact that my kids and my family were a pawn in a game. Sorry, we aren't and we won't be. There is not a reason in the world why Amberly could not have made a statement in court. NOT ONE. If what she had to say is true, then it would have been true yesterday, today and tommorrow!
What I am coming to realize is that my family has been hurt by Dundee (and all of its staff) and PURE, Inc. not WWASP. It is becoming evident that my family has been used. Our pain and our suffering have and are insignificant to that of others.
We have exposed ourselves and our family to try and help others. But I guess that really does not matter. Why should anyone stick their neck out for my boys? I will tell you why, they are not sacrificial lambs.
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[ This Message was edited by: anon on 2004-01-06 17:53 ]
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Even Mr. Bock, despite agreeing that his sons should not be sent back to Dundee, claims it helped them.
Carey, this maybe what someone referred to as you saying the twins needed dundee! This was in the Tim Rogers article.
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I for one am really sick of Careys complaining.
She outright admitted she would testify for WWASPS, have you no shame? Sure, you say ask a lawyer, but you know what, someone or yourself would have to give them reason to ask you and God knows you are doing that on this forum and suspect other places too. I hope if WWASPS does call you, the other side calls Mike Bock or your doctor. Reality is you are not that important. Your angry with PURE/WWASPS/Karen/Ryan/Sue/Amberly and whoever else you project it at, is absolutely sick, and I am sure someone would have a expert witness to prove you are very vendictive and other disorders. I heard that WWASPS is actually laughing at Carey in their seminars. They talk about Carey as an example of a disgruntled non custodial parent and her big trip to make headlines. Yup, you are famous Carey.
Deborah seems like an intelligent person, the fact that she is not part of WWASPS is not important, freedom here, but she should know as KarenZ stated, Carey burned so many bridges. MANY.She doesn't know when to keep her mouth SHUT. Yes, the truth needs to be told, BUT at the right time, not telling the world what we have or don't have.
I am one of those so-called rich, stupid parents that Carey seems to condemn. The reason for ANON, easy, why give WWASPS anymore amunition than they are already getting from here, especially from Carey.
Maybe Mike Bock needs to see this ranting of his exwife. I am sure he could shed some light on this behavior.
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Once again, Karen you are only making noise. News papers do not always tell the whole story, nor are they always totally accurate. You should know that. Once again you are opening pandora's box.
Maybe before you make implications you should stop and think about whether or not you really know what the consequences of what you imply may lead to.
You keep entering in to territory in which you really have no first hand knowledge of. You continually bring in conversations in which you were not privy to. You were not even around when the Ashely incident went down on Sue's list serv. You were not a part of Martha's, Amberly's and my converstaions. You know absolutely nothing about Steve and our trip to Costa Rica. You should only talk or make comments on those things that you have first hand knowledge of.
As far as you talking to my ex, what good could that have done? None, he thinks Dundee is and was the greatest. Why do you think he would beleive you? Why would the court beleive you? You were not there. You do not even care if what you say is correct, remember "so what." It was the court that needed to hear the truth. They needed to hear it from someone who was there, someone who was not one of those "manipulating teens,", someone like Amberly. She could have said what was going on. She could have stated she was the 4th or 5th director in their short exitence. There is a lot that she could have done to help. She really has left herself quite open on all of this. As, I have already said, she was the first person I contacted at Dundee stating that I had JOINT CUSTODY and that I was not in agreement with the boys placement there.
I have not burned any bridges, there were never any bridges to be burned.
If you want to get the straigh up on anything else about MY experience, please just post and I will respond.
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This thread needs to be read over and over again!
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To the Anony-Groupies:
Be careful what you wish for. Every one of you has skeletons in your closets, too, not the least of which is the fact that some of you were once on WWASPS payroll and are directly responsible for boosting their enrollment numbers through recruiting other families and children. How many referrals that resulted in the placement of a child in one of their programs is anybody's guess but one thing that is for certain is these same people are now actively involved in recruiting the parents and children they referred into a WWASPS program for a class-action lawsuit.
Payback for your sins? Maybe so but what a price to pay for such unmitigated ignorance and supreme hypocrisy.
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To ALL:
1) Consider parents coming to this board and looking for information about whether or not to send their child.
They see all this bickering, and DO NOT get their questions addressed (ie see days and days of this going on) and look at the back and forth and decide they would not listen to anyone here, to give advice. So maybe they send their child anyway, because they we swayed by the info , and did NOT get any help here.
What is the most important goal for this board? To slam each other? To prove who is right? Or to spare another child and parent the suffering you have already endured? Think about it please
2)Consider, Behind EVERY parent here, is a child or children who DO NOT deserve to have personal information, and negative opinions of their parent, used against that same parent, in a battle with the very programs you are exposing by sharing you and your child's experiences with others.Or for that matter in a personal battle between their parents.
Haven't the children already been through enough? Hello, is anyone listening. Enough already.
3)Consider please, if these issue are so critical, take them up in personal email and phone calls. Whatever you do, DO NOT keep discrediting other or yourself,(this applies to everyone here, including me) and by doing so, risk further consequences to their families and children. Also, consider, that this information is public, and anyone can see it, and use it however they choose. What if it was your family? your child? Would you want those same things said about you, your family, your children? And to find it gets used against you later?
4) Consider, that many many children are still NOT home yet. Many people say they want these places shut down. Then focus on helping others not send their kids, and help others get home, and SUPPORT all of those who have children at home who need their families, and to heal ..not all this grief.
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I post on this board to share my own personal experience in a "program." Not to try and sway people with what I think I might know about something or someone, but with what has happened to my family personally. No one complained when I posted on my terrible experience with Dundee. Well, Dundee was not the only ones who have contributed to that terrible experience. Now I get the drift that if I tell about how others played a part in that negative experience, I am wrong to do so.
I want to help other parents to know there are others out there who are just as dangerous as those who ran Dundee. I want others to know that ed consultants, or at least the ones I have had experience with are just as crooked as the individuals who ran Dundee. I want ALL of the deception that is going on in this unregulated industry to be exposed. I think it is my responsibilty to tell the whole story about how this industry has affected my family, not just selective parts. How can parents make informed decisions if they do not know everything there is to know about all of the players invovled?
I have posted things I would rather not have had to post about my family, but in order to clarify issues that were being brought up, it was necessary. Actually, I have been dealing with public issues about pulling my boys from Dundee ever since this crusade began.
It started in an open court in which the judge said "Costa Rica is a beautiful country what's the problem" The minute I started this cruade to save my boys I opened my personal family's business to the public right here in my own home town. I have been fighting this battle pubicly since October. What, you want me to shut up now? Why because you are now learning things that you don't want to hear? Sorry, it just does not work like that.
As I have ALWAYS stated (my objection to Dundee was that they did not want to provide all information they only wanted to provide boiler plate information), parents need all the information in order to make informed decisions about their child.
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Boring.
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On 2003-08-04 06:28:00, Carey wrote:
"I post on this board to share my own personal experience in a "program." Not to try and sway people with what I think I might know about something or someone, but with what has happened to my family personally. No one complained when I posted on my terrible experience with Dundee. Well, Dundee was not the only ones who have contributed to that terrible experience. Now I get the drift that if I tell about how others played a part in that negative experience, I am wrong to do so.
I want to help other parents to know there are others out there who are just as dangerous as those who ran Dundee. I want others to know that ed consultants, or at least the ones I have had experience with are just as crooked as the individuals who ran Dundee. I want ALL of the deception that is going on in this unregulated industry to be exposed. I think it is my responsibilty to tell the whole story about how this industry has affected my family, not just selective parts. How can parents make informed decisions if they do not know everything there is to know about all of the players invovled?
I have posted things I would rather not have had to post about my family, but in order to clarify issues that were being brought up, it was necessary. Actually, I have been dealing with public issues about pulling my boys from Dundee ever since this crusade began.
It started in an open court in which the judge said "Costa Rica is a beautiful country what's the problem" The minute I started this cruade to save my boys I opened my personal family's business to the public right here in my own home town. I have been fighting this battle pubicly since October. What, you want me to shut up now? Why because you are now learning things that you don't want to hear? Sorry, it just does not work like that.
As I have ALWAYS stated (my objection to Dundee was that they did not want to provide all information they only wanted to provide boiler plate information), parents need all the information in order to make informed decisions about their child. "
Carey,
Are you not trying to sway people with what you think? Are you NOT trying to discredit others on this board about something OR someone?
Have YOU not accomplished YOUR objective pertaining to Dundee?
YOU continue to miss the point on this issue. You are hung up on exposing people who don't have anything to do with wwasps or that don't want YOUR info. You continue to post private emails or conversations you?ve had with people & YOU shouldn't without their permission.
Regards,
Lee
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that last post is mine, i even signed it sorry for the anon post.
Lee
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Lee,
It might not be important to you but it is important to me that people know that their are others out there who are just as deceptive as Dundee.
Sue Scheff is destroying lives just as Dundee has been destroying lives. Everything she says about WWASP, she does. I want others to know. If you don't want to hear it then go elsewhere. Besides, I am not trying to convince you of anyting, you support her. You are trying to reach families, so am I.
Are YOU posting on this board to tell others about WWASP? Yes YOU are. Well I am posting on this board to tell others about, not just Dundee, but PURE,Inc. and all the players who are associated with PURE, Inc.
You are trying to reach families, so am I.
What I don't understand is why you think you can tell me what or who to talk about. I don't tell you who or what to talk about.
Hey, you do your thing and I'll do mine.
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carey,
Now YOU are assuming who I support. YOU are JUST as deceptive as YOU make everyone else out to be.
NOT once have I mentioned anything about supporting anyone nor who I support or don't.
I have defended YOUR attacks against Ryan.
I have defended YOUR attacks against Karen.
I have defended YOUR attacks against Sue.
I have defended YOUR attacks against Nancy.
I have defended YOUR attacks against ME.
YOU have assumed who each & everyone out here supports. NOT once have I mention to you who I support.
So the same thing YOU accuse others of YOU are guilty of.
Not once in any of my posts have I told YOU who to speak with. I mentioned if YOU had a problem with someone in particular, then deal with them & them only.
Regards,
Lee
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Carey you wrote:
I hope and pray Steve, Sue and I get called to testify in this case. I have the bills, the cancelled reciepts and the proof that Steve took me for a ride. I have the emails from Sue and her pushing me to take Steve with me. I have it all!!!
The story of Sue and Steve is an important and I appreciated hearing it. I personally wouldn't doubt that it happened the way you tell it.
However, unless I have misunderstood something, I don't think the court will be the least bit interested in the shinanigans of these two Ed Cons who are not directly involved with WWASP. This suit is against WWASP, not PURE. What the independent Ed Cons did is irrelevant to the case against WWASP.
Seems to me you should be taking a seperate action on your own in this matter. My apologies if I have misunderstood.
Deborah
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Long ago, when I was a small child and most of you were not born, a very bad thing happened to 6 million innocent people in Central Europe. It was so bad that it was unbelievable. It was perpetrated by bad Germans (not all Germans) who mindlessly followed a psychotic leader.
There were others who were also very bad people. These were French, Polish, even the Pope. They often said they didn't know what was happening, that the neighbors disappearing was not their concern, that they needed to follow the leader to get scarce food or to ensure their own future life and their family's existence.
The solution to this problem? It was to annihilate the bad German...cut off the head of the dragon. It stopped...immediately. It was not going after all the French mayors of small towns who turned in Jews. It was not beating to death the Polish bureaucrats who identified half-Jews in their neighborhood. It was not closing all the churches in Europe because the leader was weak or corrupt.
We need to kill our own dragon. We need to cut off its head. Carey, Carey, Carey....we don't need to work on every person who may have failed in the drive to kill this dragon. Your personal vendetta is harmful...no, it may be fatal to someone still in WWASP, or about to be admitted to WWASP. Your personal vendetta may be fatal to someone...I hope not my own personal child.
I have asked every-which-way for you to do your own thing ON YOUR OWN. Some very eloquent posts have asked you to not air your own dirty laundry here. Nothing works. I must rethink my previous high regard for your contribution.
Now I say: Moderator...GET RID OF CAREY. She constitutes a danger to my grandchild that I cannot sanction! Carey, shut the **** up!
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Thank you Spots!!!!!
I hope the moderator of this board starts to listen. BS4 would kick people off like this adn we know Woodbury did.
Carey is doing nothing but trying to appease HER OWN personal vengence against people that dont concern this board. This is about WWAPSS not all of Careys bridges. Yes, Carey, your bridges are burned as Karen said. You have really out did yourself now. But dont count me, I am anon. (that will be your big excuse).
Even Careys only friend here Deborah can see she is going overboard.
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All you wanna-be-teen-helper-busters are seriosuly misguided if you believe or even think getting rid of Carey is the answer to saving children from real or imagined harm while in the custody of a private (meaning parent-funded) program.
Second, all this hype surrounding a small-budgeted movie and a yet-to-be-filed class action lawsuit is not helping to promote your "cause". What it's doing is helping to promote the self-serving agenda of persons who are anything but heroic "dragon-slayers". Wake up and smell the money.
:smokin:
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Anon wrote:
Even Careys only friend here Deborah can see she is going overboard.
Do you have a problem with comprehension, OR WHAT? Or have you not read my responses to this subject. I'm going to assume you are ignorant or have an agenda.
Your presumptuous statement is wrong. My comments were not intended to be interpreted as Carey "going overboard".
If anything it was meant to be helpful. I've been there, done that. I know how dealing with this Industry of Control Freak,Abusers can make one frantic, paranoid, resentful, angry, physically sick.
I talked to anyone who would listen. I called every office and agency in the country, anyone I thought might help. Sometimes forgetting which part of the nightmare they needed to hear or might be most interested in. Many times a dear friend edited for me.
I was less than rational. Hard, when you're worried about your offspring. Hard when so many people have ho-hummed you. Hard when you are deceived by many. Hard when you have been taken advantage of by your own attorney. (My experience, not Carey's, although the theme is the same)
I've asked you before in so many words, don't imagine to know and interpret my words. You may ask for clarification, but don't presume to know.
I think Carey has every right to post here. It's not over till the fat lady sings. And I certainly trust her more at this point than the anon posters here. And I would probably take her word over any Ed Con's. The fact is, none of us know how the lawsuit will turn out, and won't till it's done. All we can do is entertain each other's imaginings, and hope for the best.
Deborah
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In case you missed the message under the "Lawsuits" thread. I think there's a lot more that people don't know, but will.
Deborah
-------------------------------------------------- http://www.purerebuttal.com/ (http://www.purerebuttal.com/)
Also info on Marie Peart (Linge) - just ran across this site - the FULL court info is good reading and backs up with Carey has said about PURE, et al.
This was probably put on the web by wwasp, but that's okay. Makes me pretty clear on their intentions.
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On 2003-08-02 08:15:00, Anonymous wrote:
"Carey is veyr entertaining. We need this humor once in a while. Using anon doesnt mean a thing. But it is a convenient way for soem to justify we are not telling the truth. Heck, it will come out in the end.
I vote not to remove Carey, she is a joke and we all need a laugh once in a while. I do feel bad for her, but maybe she will get some help. We should pray for her to find peace and a good shrink."
god it's so sad to see people like you who can only resort to personal, useless attacks and religion...
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On 2003-08-02 18:32:00, Anonymous wrote:
"FaceKhan - I AM SURPRISED, I think?? at your post. You, of all people, damn every program out there - they're a program, right?? So now you seem to be defending them as a better place than Dundee? Is that because they seem to encourage interaction between male/female troubled teens? You must get some satisfaction in thinking they are drinking tequila and having sex in the rain forest. What's up??"
what the fuck????
is this a confrontation??
hahahahaahahahahaahahahahah
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Changeable? Change is a good thing. I commend her for figuring out who the wolf really is. Thanks Karen. What? Ya don't have anyone to brainwash, ooops, I mean minister to tonight? :wave:
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I am erasing this post. I meant to post it under "more quotes"
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This string of posts is worth re-reading.
Do you suppose Lee aka turbinekat was one of the people who testified at Scheff's trial against Bock?