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Treatment Abuse, Behavior Modification, Thought Reform => The Troubled Teen Industry => Topic started by: Anonymous on August 01, 2003, 11:05:00 PM
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Let's hope this kid lives up to all the hype building up around him and this much publicized
(still under-financed?) movie.
http://www.ryanfraidenburgh.com (http://www.ryanfraidenburgh.com)
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what a crock of SHIT - LOL!!!
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Forced to pee his pants and then get sprayed off??? Or should we say "crock of BULLSHIT! Fiction, sounds like HE's the one that will end up being sued, if he's old enough now.
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OMG!!! There's NOTHING on that site that even resembles the truth - what in the hell is he thinking??????
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Never doubt that a person is capable of committing any act of cruelty on another no matter how unimaginable or wrong because if there is a lesson of the 20th century it is that there is no limit to the suffering that people can inflict on one another. And yes, all the worst examples profited from their crimes at least for a while.
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[ This Message was edited by: KarenZ on 2003-10-17 10:13 ]
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Karen,
I am not Anon. I am not afraid to say what I think.
I would not call Ryan a liar, ever. If he said it happen to him, then who am I to say it did not. You show your stupid true colors more and more everytime you open your mouth. Now wonder you fell for the propaganda that WWASP sold you.
But you know what, I will say this. My boys never witnessed beatings. They witnessed kids being restrained. They witnessed fair skin kids be put out in the sun in order to be purposely sunburned in order to inflict pain. They themselves were made to kneel on rough concrete floors for hours. They were made to lay flat on their stomachs with their chins up off of the floor for hours. They were made to sit in certain positions for hours. Of course all of these were intended to cause pain, in which they did. They were told that I did not love them because if I did I would know that Dundee was the best place for them and I would leave them there. The were belittled over and over again. MY BOYS WERE ABUSED!
You can kiss my ass! And let me tell you again, I am not afraid to say what I think about you, Sue or anybody else. As a matter of fact you hold on, I am going to cut and paste your connection with Sue in the next post.
I will be right back!
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KAREN - YOU ARE A GOOD SOUL. YOU AND MANY OF US WERE DUPED BY WWASPS.
AS I SAID EARLIER, "IGNORE CAREY", SHE ISN'T WORTH OUR TIME. HER HATRED FOR OTHERS IS FAR MORE IMPORTANT TO HER THAN THE ABUSE TO HER! HER CONSTANT DEGRADING OF OTHER PEOPLE IS A PROJECTION OF HER OWN IGNORNANCE. (NOW SHE IS GOING TO PROVE HER IGNORNANCE, GIVE US A BREAK). HOPE SHE KNOWS THAT WE KNOW ALL EMAILS CAN BE "ALTERED" TO HER LIKING, SO ANY POSTS SHE PUTS UP, HOW ARE WE TO KNOW THEY ARE REAL.
MAYBE BECAUSE SHE IS NOT IN THE SPOTLIGHT, JEALOUSLY IS A EVIL THING, AND BOY IS SHE JEALOUS.
RYAN, KEEP UP YOUR GOOD WORK, YOU ARE A VOICE TO MANY THAT NEED YOU. WE ARE NOT HERE TO JUDGE YOU ONLY SUPPORT YOU.
CAREY - YOU HAVE LOST YOUR CREDIBILITY WITH MANY OF US.
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This is the email I received from Sue, about you.
"As you may or may not have been in touch with Karen Burnett yet, her son was at Dundee with your twins. He is speaking of the constant beatings etc. (Her story will be my Jan. 2003 Newsletter with the explanation of my Lawsuit).
You may want to contact her at 502-955-XXX or email kayzee2858@msn.com. Her son Nathan, went to a real program and recently came home. She didn't know of the abuse until she actually asked her son. He just commented that he thought she knew. Nathan is now 18 and was 17 in the program up to last August. They are located in KY. She contacted me after she received my lawsuit in the mail. That was WWASP's latest desperate tactic. It backfired with Karen and others. Many that never knew me, looked me up and now support me."
Sounds to me like you have been coached a little on what to say. Doesn't WWASP do that to the parents it recruits? Oh, I forgot, you are in the business of sending kids to unregulated programs just like Sue and WWASP. That explains the loyalty to Sue and the need to bash WWASP all the while embelishing the truth.
My boys and my family do not need to embelish the truth. We do not need to try and gain followers/beleivers of parents who are at wits end. We don't try and offer advice on solutions and programs that we admit to knowing nothing about because we are not trying to sell an alternative. We deal with our own problems and our own issues with professionals, real professionals, who actually can claim to be educated and trained and who know us and our situation in depth. We are not trying to profit off of WWASP's fall.
We are trying to recover from the pain that we, yes we my whole family, has suffered as a result of Dundee. But we did not only suffer because of Dundee. There are others who have added to that pain...Sue being one of them. Amberly being another. She knew I wanted my boys out. My very first email was to her, when she was director. In that email I told her that I had joint custody of my boys and that I wanted them out. She knew I was going to court. She could have come forward and testified. But she like Sue, was more worried about saving her own butt.
We are trying to help others to not make the mistake that was made in our family. I want all of this to be over. I wish I could walk away and never have to think about this whole thing again. But I can't. There is far to much pain! And not that I want your simpathy, but as I write this I cry, it hurts me deeply.
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CAREY - FIND A LOCAL PSYCH. HOSPITAL FOR YOURSELF AND MOVE ON. YOU ARE STILL SHOWING YOUR NEED FOR INTENSE THERAPY.
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Anon, the difference between you and me is...I am real and you are not. You say it in your name!
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Anon wrote:
CAREY - YOU HAVE LOST YOUR CREDIBILITY WITH MANY OF US.
Who are the "many" of us? Who anon, are you, and the "many" you speak for? Provide names? Step out from under the paper bag and give some credibility to yourself and comments. What evidence do you possess that might prove that Carey is "jealous" or "supportive of abuse"? It sounds like the imaginings of a teen who has it out for Carey because she questioned his/her hero's involvement in the movie, and therefore wants to have her banned from the In group.
And...anon, if you would stop blathering about your imaginings (Carey being jealous and supportive of abuse) long enough to actually read her story, you'd know that her husband didn't have custody. You are wasting space on this message board constantly bemoaning your imaginings. Get over it. We heard your imaginings the first time.
There are known and unknown factions battling on this message board. There's Carey, Karen, Sue?, and who knows who else. This isn't the appropriate place for that, imho. Most of the readers here don't know the history between you people, or who's who, or what's what. It's not very considerate to expect people to piece together a story with little snipet of information here and there. A little of from many threads.
For me to take anything seriously, there must be an accusation followed by some form of proof to support it. When proof isn't provided, I write it off as someone venting, using the time and attention of others to listen to their personal issues or lame attempts to discredit someone.
The only people in this discussion that I respect and take seriously are Carey and Karen who don't hide behind a paper bag, who allow other's to question their thinking and motives. The rest of you anon posters don't carry much weight with me. (Perhaps I should exaggerate here and say, don't carry much weight with "the rest of us"- power in numbers.)
I think the thing we should all notice and be aware of is the insidious paranoia that involvement with these types of facilities can create. People don't know who to trust. When I first became involved and started speaking out about a non-WWASP program, I was hesitant to respond to messages I received privately for fear it was a staff member attempting to pull something out of me that they could use against me. I had only shared my experience, yet was threatened- they would take legal action if I didn't cease and desist speaking negatively about the facility.
I appreciate all action taken against any program, by any person, for any reason.
Deborah
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deborah,
this board offers anon posting, it doesnt mean we are less credible but I respect your opinion.
i am glad carey has a friend in you but i for one with many others have been burned by her so called desire to tell the truth. i know i will be bashed for that, but that is my opinion. truth is good, but letting the other side know what we have is stupid. All for a desire to be recognized is what we think. yes we, there is a big group of anti wwaspers and carey thinks of us as rich dumb parents. but we have learned to ignore her and her stupid antics and mud slinging. i just thought you should know there is always 2 sides to a story, and you dont know all the history either. signed anon
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"After a heated "negotiation" with school authorities and a $60,000 bribe, Ryan was allowed to leave with his father".
This kid and his family will be making $$ from this, I'm only assuming.
Sensationalism sells. This site is fictitious in the worst possible way. But it will sell for those liking this sort of movie, I'm sure.
There is no way in hell that this dad couldn't have just gone down there, signed the papers and left with Ryan. A bribe, and 60,000k at that?? No way in hell again. Parents don't give up custody or their parental rights. This dad was probably LOOKING for any reason to bring him home in the first place. A lot of dad's feel guilty when their kid is beyond their control.
Ryan is a liar, but money talks.
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I would like to hear the story of this $60,000 bribe. It does not make any sense. Who bribed who and why?
Did the school pay the parents $60,000 to remain silent about the abuse? That would be a bribe. Maybe these parents had real proof of abuse, like pictures or something. If so, these parents should be held accountable, almost as an accomplice, as they left other kids in harms way. It would indicate they had knowledge of abuse and were paid to not report it.
If the parents bribed the school to release the child...well, that would have to be pure stupidity on the parents part.
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:flame: OH, FOR CHRIST'S SAKE, PEOPLE...GIVE IT UP!!!
This bickering is so absolutely stupid! Now, Deborah has written an eloquent review of why such paranoia might come about (I also have been accosted by suspicious emails). This is a valid concern. Carey is passionate and has a huge store of valuable information. Karen has been tireless in working to get this thing shut down. All these ladies are to be applauded.
I have a very great personal stake in bringing this company down quickly, and I am terrified that we're dividing our energies, lessening their impact. Pull together, folks...put aside the small stuff or reserve it for private communications. You all know each other's email addresses.
As for "Anons", I can't really imagine the reason (or, I can't imagine a "good" reason for anonymity), but this forum does allow/promote such smoke-and-mirrors. Smells so much like WWASPS techniques, that it stinks. Su Flowers' daughter posts anonymnously, but puts her email address in. Nicole openly invites feedback and communication.
Due to my aforementioned personal stake (I've still got a child incarcerated in Casa by the Sea), I post with a pseudonym but a lot of people know my real email. At least I don't hide under a paper bag! If you want to slign mud and then run to put your bag on, go ahead. I don't respect you, but then I don't have to, do I, and I also don't respect your opinion if you spout it and don't stand behind it.
Let's move on, and let Ryan, Sue Scheff, and everyone contribute whatever they can...even those "many"??? Anon's who sound the same. Get on with it.
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One of you anony"asses" wrote:
i just thought you should know there is always 2 sides to a story, and you dont know all the history either.
Yes, there is ALWAYS two sides to a story. The fact that I, nor most of the other readers here are privy to all the history between you two factions, is precisely the point I made, to support my opinion- this is NOT the appropriate place to continue the fued. Not unless you and your "group" all want to come forward with who you are and tell your stories in complete. Until then, your comments are highly suspect.
The difference between you (and your "group") and Carey- Her story is very public, she doesn't post her opinions and imaginings anonymously. Anyone can check out her story, her character, what her personal motives MIGHT be. I appreciate and respect that. She is willing to subject herself to public scrutiny.
No one is allowed to make an accusation about another "anonymously" in court. The accusers character and motives must be considered as well. Get the point.
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i am glad carey has a friend in you but i for one with many others have been burned by her so called desire to tell the truth.
May be you have been burned by Carey's actions and may be you haven't. We'll never know because no one knows you or your story. Your anonymous words have no validity. Carey and I aren't "friends", we've never met, but I would enjoy that. I happen to respect her for the reasons I have stated in other posts. And I'm not going to sit back and watch this without putting in my two cents worth. Okay, maybe it's a quarter's worth.
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yes we, there is a big group of anti wwaspers and carey thinks of us as rich dumb parents.
May be you are, may be you aren't. Expose yourself and your group, and let the fine people here, who you continuously bombard with your opinions and anti-Carey comments, decide for themselves. There may be some validity to her "dumb" accusation, if you all think anyone here will take your accusations seriously when we know nothing about you.
If there is anyone who should be banned, it is those who post anonymously, attacking others
without supporting their imaginings and accusations with evidence.
And all current evidence points to the group of "rich dumb parents" (your words, not mine) being those who support Sue. What other "group" has issues with Carey?
Logical deduction has its benefits.
So, Sue, are you willing to post your story here and sign your name to it? Are you willing to respond to the accusations Carey made about you? Are you willing to expose your reasoning behind ousting here from the message board, or refusing to post her story at your website, etc, etc? Are you willing to answer questions from this group?
Or will you and your "groupies" just continue to take up space here, with what appears to be an attempt to divide and conquer.
All action taken against WWASP and any other facility operating outside the law and without public scrutiny is worthwhile. If you all have a different strategy, then go for it. But don't be piddling around here making vague accusations and anonymously slandering another person's character. It's quiet disgusting. And if you all are who logical deduction points to you being, you have lost any shread of respect that I might have had for you.
Contribute something positive to the effort here, or go do your own anti-WWASP thing, while supporting other "questionable" programs. I personally feel "Ed Con" is appropriate for this line of work.
You CON parents out of their money. You CON parents into believe that you have their child's best interest at heart. You CON parents into believing you have an inkling of knowing about what their child will endure on a day-to-day basic in any given program. You CON parents when you refer to programs that don't have the minimum protection in place- being properly registered and licensed with the state. Now, you're here trying to CON us into believing Carey is crazy. Won't work. Put up, or shut up.
Deborah
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I have heard that at least in the earlier days of WWASPS programs they would tell parents who came to pull their kids that they needed both parents to sign the forms and stuff. Its possible they pulled that kind of thing with the dad. They certainly do everything possible to try to discourage you from pulling your kid and are not above demanding money. No one wants to fly back home leaving their kid in the hands of those monsters for another week so they can get the other parent down there or to bring a bodyguard with them to force their way inside.
Also the bribe may not have been to the school but rather to get him home when wwasp refused to give the father back his kid's passport.
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No greater love hath a man, then he lay down his life for his brother, not for millions, not for glory, not for fame, for one person, in the dark, where no one will ever know or see.
[ This Message was edited by: FaceKhan on 2003-08-02 13:26 ]
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Facekahn:
Since when does Mexico require a passport? It sounds like you actually believe this bullshit and are making "excuses" for this family. Didy you buy stock in this movie?? If anyone would honestly look at what this website says, you'll know it's all about "hollywood" and not about what really happened.
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Well, I personally like the song Ryan chose for his website but have to agree that a $60,000.00 bribe sounds like PURE, UNADULTERATED FICTION.
But even if it's true his parents paid $60,000.00 in a negotiated "bribe" as claimed on Ryan's website, it would be nice to know what the starting price was ($100,000.00? $75,000.00?) and whether the parents paid in cash, check or credit card.
Guess we will just have to wait for the movie to answer that question.
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[ This Message was edited by: KarenZ on 2003-10-17 10:18 ]
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Karen, you said and I quote,
"If I'm wrong - So what?"
Unfortunatly for you, you can't see that that is a problem. Acussing people of things that are not true, then saying "If I'm wrong - So what?" is a very dangerous thing to be doing. Do you think after making a statement like that people should beleive any thing you say? Because if you are wrong "so what."
When you speak you hurt yourself!
I hope you are not going to be called to testify in court!
[ This Message was edited by: Carey on 2003-08-02 18:12 ]
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Wasn't Sue Scheff the lady that had a teen in a wwasp program and had been referring other families to them until she decided to go out on her own and wwasp refused to pay her for her referrals? She and others decided to pose as several different people slamming wwasp on the struggling teen site and got busted?? She continues to slam wwasp, when not that long ago she was so happy with wwasp and what it gave to her kid that she continued to refer after she came home? I wouldn't trust this woman with the the worst agenda I've experienced so far.
From my research, her vendetta stems from wwasp refusing to pay her a fee and she decided to use her site to tell stories against them for her own gain. I wonder how many parents out there admitted to one of the schools that pays her. What goes around comes around - If there's anyone I wonder can sleep at night, it's her and her PURE garbage.
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I use my So whats very exclusivly.
On this occassion - if I'm wrong its you - so what.
Once again - I did not *say* it was you - just that all those anaons there had your style.
That much is true.
If I *believe* it is you - So what.
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sounds like we have a wwaspie on this board! enjoy our postings and it is shame someone or something is effecting your sleep. maybe try OP.
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Hmmm...could be a wwaspie - but what I see is the point being made is: Who in the hell could trust this Sue person?? I'll wager she'll never testify in court, wwasp would tear her testimony to shreds...for good reason.
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Sorry Karen, I wanted to go back to this thread and this conversation.
Karen, you said and I quote,
"If I'm wrong - So what?"
Unfortunatly for you, you can't see that that is a problem. Acussing people of things that are not true, then saying "If I'm wrong - So what?" is a very dangerous thing to be doing. Do you think after making a statement like that people should beleive any thing you say? Because if you are wrong "so what."
Do you think WWASP could pull you into court and have you testify as to your connection with Sue Scheff? Do you think they could ask you about your statement that you posted on Sue's website in reference to your son and what you say he experienced? Do you suppose from statements like your "If I am wrong...so what" that in a court of law your accusations could be deemed as less than creditable?
THIS IS MY FEAR. THIS IS MY FEAR FOR ALL OF YOU WHO ARE ASSOCIATED WITH PURE, INC AND SUE SCHEFF. THAT INCLUDES NOT ONLY KAREN BUT CHRIS, RYAN, JEFF, AND THE REST OF HER FOLLOWERS. YOU ALL BETTER THINK ABOUT IT.
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First of all, who in the heck are you to judge someones story when you havent even gone through it yourself? Go ahead and look like a fool, but just know that knowone can justify or warrant the abuse that you keep discrediting. Save some teens while you can or join a frickin soap oprah because we are sick of hearing your depressive comments carey.
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[ This Message was edited by: KarenZ on 2003-10-17 10:21 ]
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Carey and Karen,
Neither of you have said, or I missed it-
Are either of you plantiffs in the class action?
If not, why?
Deborah
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I am not, and the reason being, I see wrong being done on both sides. I think my family was exploited by those associated with PURE and those associated with Dundee.
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Is it required of a plantiff be associated with or referred by Pure in order to join?
The posts I remember invited anyone to join who felt like they were abused or were victims of fraud perpetrated by WWASP.
Deborah
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Karen XYZ has no credibility, she destroyed that herself when she failed to disclose the fact that the website she manages (strugglingteenhelp.com) is owned by one of the 4 programs she recommends to parents-in-crisis. This program, Abundant Life Academy also happens to be the same program her son works for.
Second, it has only been recently that Karen's name was taken off the PURE Parent Volunteer List. Isn't that correct, Karen?
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Karen, telling somesone to "shut the fek up" is not very 'christian' of you.
BAAAAAAAAAAAAAAHHHH!!!!
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The posts I remember invited anyone to join who felt like they were abused or were victims of fraud perpetrated by WWASP.
I don't understand what your point is with this statement. I said I am not wanting to be a part of the class action law suit because I feel like my family was exploited by Dundee and PURE. Whether or not the invitation is open to all, really has nothing to do with my decision.
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The previous post is mine.
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[ This Message was edited by: KarenZ on 2003-10-17 10:23 ]
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Karen Z. should do some research to refresh her memory because it was only after someone exposed the truth about Karen and ALA on Fornits, that Karen came clean with the facts. What else is Karen "confused" and/or "mistaken" about???>??
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[ This Message was edited by: KarenZ on 2003-10-17 10:24 ]
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Anon who thinks I've stumbled in my Christian walk - you may be right. Thats partly why I try and avoid Mz Carey
Wow, you blame me for your stumbling in your Christian walk. Do you always blame others for your actions?
Go right ahead -
As I said - I hadn't made an issue of it, b/c that would not have been apropreate here. That would have been promoting. However, when the anon who sounded so much like Carey, made an issue of it, I answered all questions fully and compleatly.
I really see no point in doing so again - so please do, look it up and enlighten the world.
Karen, when you can leave my name out of your discussions, then I will quit adressing you. Until then, you are open game and an easy target I might add.
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Me again, I don't want there to be any confusion. I want credit for what I say!
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[ This Message was edited by: KarenZ on 2003-10-17 10:26 ]
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Anon wrote:
Karen XYZ has no credibility, she destroyed that herself when she failed to disclose the fact that the website she manages (strugglingteenhelp.com) is owned by one of the 4 programs she recommends to parents-in-crisis.
Are we back to this? ?Destroyed herself??
Jesus Christ, can you point to the message that states or proves the "fact" that she ?manages? a "WEBSITE"? The issue was answered in this thread:
http://fornits.com/wwf/viewtopic.php?mo ... 9&start=70 (http://fornits.com/wwf/viewtopic.php?mode=viewtopic&topic=2549&forum=9&start=70)
Karen:
*I* do not make referrals. Ever.
*I* do not make referrals in the traditional sense of the word at all.
There are occasions, few and far between, when a parent calls me or writes as a result of something they've seen on the web that I wrote. Usually, but not always, as a result of the editorial I have up on Lon's site:
I do explain I MODERATE THE FORUM (and point out it could be a handy place to go for certain kinds of additional info) but that the help request info page goes to a group of ed consultants, not me.
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And:
it has only been recently that Karen's name was taken off the PURE Parent Volunteer List. Isn't that correct, Karen?
This issue has already been addressed as well at:
http://fornits.com/wwf/viewtopic.php?to ... forum=9&25 (http://fornits.com/wwf/viewtopic.php?topic=2779&forum=9&25)
Karen:
Apparently you read the link were I explained about Sue's list, and how I was on it due to a misunderstanding and asked to be removed and why - So, I don't understand what your asking or why.
As far as me not knowing if I was still on it - thats just b/c I hadn't bothered to go look.
Sue told me she'd get it off, but it might take a while, b/c web masters are busy people. All I ment was it was off or soon would be - I didn't know at the time if it was yet.
I don't see it as a big deal. I don't understand why anyone does.
For the umptenth time, I am not associated with PURE, never have been and don't want to be.
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Anon, Do you have any new information that would prove otherwise, which might actually interest the PUBLIC, or are you just needing to rag on about your imaginings again? Put up or shut up.
WHY are you taking us back to issues that have already been addressed, and posing your comments as questions, as Carey does?
I loathe Ed Cons or anyone else with a role in the Industry. I'm not defending Karen. If she is paid by the program to REFER or to MODERATE the LISTSERVE, and you can prove it, then dish up the proof. Now, that is something that would be of interest to the PUBLIC. Unless you have some evidence to post. Your ramblings continue to be a waste of time.
Deborah
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Deborah, Anon in this case is Carey. she continues to post in haste, and in this lastest instance, identifies herself in order to "take credit for what I wrote".
Carey, I am not Christian, nor am I religious so I can say whatever and not need atonement:
Carey, fuck off.
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"I'm not defending Karen." per Deborah's previous post. It's okay, Deborah, to defend a friend.
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That is BS Ms. Spots! It is not me! No wander no one beleives a word you say. You make stuff up. You are one scared, bitter person! The one thing I have on my side that you do not have on your side, is the truth. The reason being I don't make things up or make accusations based on what I think. I make accusations only when I know and when I have proof to back up those accusations. You Spots, and Karen, constantly make acusations that are unfounded.
Do you have any new information that would prove otherwise, which might actually interest the PUBLIC, or are you just needing to rag on about your imaginings again? Put up or shut up.
Speaking of proof, where is yours, and Spots and Karens. You talk about acusations without any proof to back them up.
Has everyone noticed how these people keep accusing me of posting and saying things anonymously. Yet when I come back and refute what they say, they blame me for being the instigator. Karen, Spots, you keep making this personal. Why? Why am I such a threat to you? I have done nothing but tell the truth. That is all I will continue to do.
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Anon who thinks I've stumbled in my Christian walk - you may be right. Thats partly why I try and avoid Mz Carey
Wow, you blame me for your stumbling in your Christian walk. Do you always blame others for your actions?
Go right ahead -
As I said - I hadn't made an issue of it, b/c that would not have been apropreate here. That would have been promoting. However, when the anon who sounded so much like Carey, made an issue of it, I answered all questions fully and compleatly.
I really see no point in doing so again - so please do, look it up and enlighten the world.
Karen, when you can leave my name out of your discussions, then I will quit adressing you. Until then, you are open game and an easy target I might add.
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Spots are you saying you wrote this, when in reality I did?
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Carey - maybe it's because they don't have anything more important to do. Karen admitted she is obsessed. I get that Spots and Deborah are equally obsessed, just in different ways.
It's been interesting, but maybe it's time for you to quit getting caught up in their energy.
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Anon, I will have to say, that is very good advice, I think I will take it.
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Yes, Carey, don't let the 3 Divas (Deborah, Karen and Spots) get you down. There is nothing wrong with questioning the integrity or the motives of persons with a VESTED INTEREST in the outcome of a commercial venture (e.g. Coldwater, The Movie) or a pending class-action-lawsuit. The fact that others may disagree with you is to be expected, however, there is no need for the nasty innuendoes, insults and sarcasm these 3 ladies seem to thrive on.
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ACTUALLY, there has been a death in the hands of wwasp! It was at TRANQUILITY BAY!
The only living proof of the so called "graduates" is the successful brainwashing methods they fell into while being in the hands of wwasp.
wwasp is bein sued. Every victim's story of wwasp matches. Another one of wwasps facility's was just shut down a few months ago while the owner was arrested.
Do your own research on wwasp, because if you put 2 and 2 together then you get what the world is about to see about wwasp.
However, they can offer you services.
That is if you want to pay a couple thousand dollars a month to have your kid illegally incarcerated while they lie to his or her parents while the kid is forced into submission into believing there brainwashing methods. There is no way around there beliefs, they are right no matter what and if you dont like it then it looks like your kid is in for a beating.
Thats the beauty of personal opionion's, i guess the wwasps dont want the public to know the truth!!!!!!!!!!
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Carey - I'd be grateful if you would refrain from addressing me directly.
I have tried to reason with you, but found it impossible. I see no point in continuing the same old argument round n round.
Besides, I find it so frustrating, I tend to forget my manners, which I sometimes regret.
But, as you've addressed me directly this time:
As usual, You have no idea what your talking about.
I am most certainly not anyone's follower.
I am most certainly not associated with PURE.
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Did you consider yourself associated with PURE all that time you were on the email list?
When you got tossed, (for the second time) did you consider yourself fired by PURE?
Just like you, (except its by my choice)I'm no longer on the list serve. So, based on your assertion that being on the list serve makes one an associate of PURE - I Quite and you were Fired.
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I would be very surprised if WWASP ever called me to testify; and most especially so, in regard to my acquaintance with Sue, as it cast them in a very poor light.
I don't believe my not giving a tinkers dam, about weather or not you admit to anon postings, will effect my credibility.
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I feel confident you do anonymously talk to yourself; if you want to deny it, I don't care - and if I'm wrong - So what?
It effects no one at all either way. Its just an opinion expressed, and Opinions can be wrong, as the definition of an opinion is an idea or thought not based on known fact.
That makes my So what to you and your concern here, perfectly within reason, and so not likely to effect my credibility.
And again, let me point out, I did not SAY it was you - only that it Sounded like you - which is the Truth based on kown Fact.
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Now - I have promised people not to engage you in this non sense -and I'm not going to continue this.
I hope after you have your finel say here, you'll shut the fek up and leave me alone.