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Treatment Abuse, Behavior Modification, Thought Reform => Straight, Inc. and Derivatives => Topic started by: Anonymous on October 20, 2008, 10:43:23 AM
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http://www.nwitimes.com/articles/2008/1 ... ogcomments (http://www.nwitimes.com/articles/2008/10/20/news/top_news/doc0c8db5323927d923862574e7007c370f.txt#blogcomments) now now, vicki was a client in straight inc michigan... now she's STILL at PFC? Oh, ok. That's interesting, hmmm.
New drug growing in popularity
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219.548.4345 | Monday, October 20, 2008 | 16 comment(s)
Of all the recreational drugs 19-year-old Katelyn W. used before entering treatment, the only one that was strong enough to keep her from driving was a plant known as Salvia divinorum.
The drug would bring on intense hallucinations, she said, to the point where on one occasion, she was wearing a Minnie Mouse costume and believed she actually had become the animated character.
While you may not have heard of the drug, a simple online search reveals others have, including many young people, who have posted videos of themselves on YouTube high on Salvia.
There also are a number of sites online offering the drug for sale, which is not a problem for most, considering only 12 states -- including Illinois -- have passed laws against possessing and/or using the drug, according to the U.S. Drug Enforcement Administration.
The drug remains legal in Indiana, according to Porter County Prosecutor Brian Gensel.
A bill was introduced downstate earlier this year that called for placing Salvia among the illegal ranks of marijuana, LSD and PCP, but it died before the House judiciary committee.
The heads of the drug units in Porter and Lake counties said they have not come across Salvia, but Zon Haralovich, commander of the Lake County Drug Task Force, said the Midwest is typically a few years behind on trends.
Salvia use is showing up among the young substance abusers being treated by Pathway Family Center, which has local offices in Chesterton, said senior therapist Victoria Winebarger.
She said about a quarter of the young people in treatment, including Katelyn W., of Ann Arbor, Mich., report having used Salvia along with other substances.
Katelyn W., whose last name has been abbreviated to protect her privacy, said she has seen others become physically ill and suffer other negative experiences while using Salvia.
"Even though it's legal ... it's not a drug to be taken lightly," she said.
She said she had no problem buying the drug at paraphernalia shops. It is sold in a variety of strengths and prices.
Winebarger said the drug causes paranoia and short-term memory loss.
In addition to being readily accessible, Salvia creates unique problems in that it is not targeted by drug screens. So those who are required to submit to drug tests, including people in treatment, can be using the drug without anyone knowing.
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Interesting site to visit. Too bad it's a closed forum...
http://forum.noblerealms.org/viewtopic.php?id=2894 (http://forum.noblerealms.org/viewtopic.php?id=2894)
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Idiots; typical programmish behavior (control, fear of the unknown). On the other hand, people should do their research and realize that Salvia is not a party drug and should be used with caution and respect -- if enough indiscreet schleps misuse a thing and "flip out," the law tends to get involved.
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Idiots; typical programmish behavior (control, fear of the unknown). On the other hand, people should do their research and realize that Salvia is not a party drug and should be used with caution and respect -- if enough indiscreet schleps misuse a thing and "flip out," the law tends to get involved.
Well, as far as I've heard, not a lot of indiscreet schleps, or others for that matter, are flipping out on this drug. Even if they were, would it really be their fault when the majority of this once fiercely independent people respond with a knee jerk call for coercion?
I'm bummed that there's no associates link directly to the live plants. That's what I'd prefer to be hawking. But if you catch the ad in the footer w. the graphic that says "Buy Organic Salvia Here", click it and scroll down the page till you see this graphic http://www.arenaethnobotanicals.com/ima ... %20pot.jpg (http://www.arenaethnobotanicals.com/images/salvia%204%20inch%20pot.jpg) you can get a pretty and useful plant for your garden and throw a few cents toward Fornits' continued operation.
Addendum. Oh fuck, that's right! No illustrations in posts because some folks demand we coerce others into coddling their tender sensibilities. That's pissing me off today too. Add it to the list.
While I'm on the topic, I want everyone who thinks disabling graphics is a good idea to understand something. I don't like to bitch and normally don't even bring this up, but violent images, especially surprise viewings, make me physically ill. The kids think it's funny. They'll put on some ultra violent slasher movie or Discovery Channel surgery then say "hey mom, come check this out! You'll love it!" Then I'm left disoriented, nauseous and agitated till I can wind down and try and remember what I was about before the upset.
But this upsets me more and on a more intellectual level.
Come on you guys! If I can deal with it, can't you? Don't you see that the whole world is using graphics and animation to communicate all sorts of ideas. Can't you deal with the offensive shit in the interest of fostering meaningful, creative expression? If not, maybe the experiment was a failure and I should just pull the plug on this whole thing anyway.
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Well, as far as I've heard, not a lot of indiscreet schleps, or others for that matter, are flipping out on this drug.
Well take a look at some of the stuff kids have uploaded to youtube.. these fuckin' morons are acting like complete freakazoids (like they're having a bad time) on camara while smoking it and that sort of thing can't do much to enhance the popularity of this stuff. If I had no prior experience with salvia and saw this inane crap I'd probably have some reservations about it too. Just sayin'.
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Even if they were, would it really be their fault when the majority of this once fiercely independent people respond with a knee jerk call for coercion?
Their fault for what? Not knowing enough about it before using it? Uploading videos that make Salvia seem like PCP or some shit? Fucking douchebag moron kids. LOL. Hell, I don't know; I'd say it's good to know what you're getting yourself into before using anything. That being said, it's too bad society (our gov't, whoever) won't do more to help people understand drugs and use them safely and responsibly instead of stigmatizing and criminalizing them for it.
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You can send a kid to college but ya can't make him think. What do you think society or it's antithesis, government, could do to make people more inclined to think for themselves? Aside from resigning en-mass and finding something useful to do with their lives, I mean. If they did that and quit supporting the illusion that they're actually doing these things for us, maybe enough people would get a clue and start thinking for themselves.
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What do you think society or it's antithesis, government, could do to make people more inclined to think for themselves?
Good question. They'd have to take a completely new stance and become a servant government as was (we like to think) originally intended; educate instead of incarcerate, that sort of thing.
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No, education was never supposed to be a part of it. Who was it who said that a man would be better off with no education at all than to be educated by his government.
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No, education was never supposed to be a part of it. Who was it who said that a man would be better off with no education at all than to be educated by his government.
Ok, so let them 'provide info' as well as legit ways (like ibogaine) to kick bad habits, so long as they leave us alone.
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so long as they leave us alone.
This part I can go along with.
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Sheesh...what about the ibogaine? :D
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http://www.bouncingbearbotanicals.com/s ... p-412.html (http://www.bouncingbearbotanicals.com/salvia-divinorumlive-plant-ships-weeks-p-412.html)
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Idiots; typical programmish behavior (control, fear of the unknown). On the other hand, people should do their research and realize that Salvia is not a party drug and should be used with caution and respect -- if enough indiscreet schleps misuse a thing and "flip out," the law tends to get involved.
This physical reality is a trap, I now know that for sure. I can definitely see why the shamans use this stuff. I believe it unlocks something in the mind, allowing one to view the "higher" reality uninhibited. This planet we are on is a dense area of space that draws consciousness into it, like a metaphysical black hole. It is based on patterns, which are its "code" - e.g. the movement of the stars, solar systems, and our planet. These patterns exist as nature, which begets humanity. "The fall" was a descension of consciousness being pulled into the density of this encoded space, which I believe was created by the other side of this reality, the "dark side." The womb of "the matrix." We humans are composites of a complex pattern of raw matter encoded by a being far too big for us to fathom. Look at the specks of dust in the air... now look closer, at the atoms and the patterns they make... and then imagine how the galaxies look spinning in the void. We are consciousness encoded into these forms, the world around us all being part of a larger complex pattern. Free will is irrelevant, death is irrelevant...all paths are relevant. They are all created, the world we are in is merely a test, a proving ground for our consciousness before it moves onto other things. All the gnostic/buddhist/dark doctrines, even fiction has described this, and I have tasted it.
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Well, I posted another comment, let's see if they put it up or not.
Thanks for posting this whoever you are.
WD
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http://www.nwitimes.com/articles/2008/10/20/news/top_news/doc0c8db5323927d923862574e7007c370f.txt#blogcomments
The drug would bring on intense hallucinations, she said, to the point where on one occasion, she was wearing a Minnie Mouse costume and believed she actually had become the animated character
without anyone knowing.
This is absurd! *I* am Minnie Mouse!
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Wrong! My daughter is! :bs: :D
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well folks, it looks like there's 70 comments so far on this article. People in that neck of America seem to have a fairly balanced view of what the government is trying to do. I like the ones that post about how it is total bullshit that this drug is "new", oh, and the chocolate one too. Either way, the program people are barking up the wrong tree. Now BOB KASARDA, he's never written anything about the CADC and their bullshit they pull up there. I'd like to see something with that angle one day real soon. Or, the one where PFC is exploiting the graduates on radio shows but when you call in, they hang up on you, LOL... Oh well. It's like a dream or something. IT's real when it's happening but when you wake up, it's gone. ::fullofshit:: ::fullofshit:: ::fullofshit:: ::fullofshit:: ::fullofshit:: ::fullofshit:: ::fullofshit:: ::fullofshit:: ::fullofshit:: :bs: :bs: :bs: :bs: :bs: :wall: :wall: :moon:
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I tried the tincture for the first time yesterday (my experience thus far consisting of 20x, or just plain old leaves), and something that would have been nice to have would have been a life-size dummy and a sturdy knife. Instead, I ended up grabbing a pair of scissors and started stabbing a box, neglecting to realize that it contained cans of cat food. The divine Stabbing Goddess of Salvia was speaking through me. :D I wanted to stab the fuck out of something, so i picked up a cardboard and started going at that! I could have hurt myself (or perhaps even someone else had they made the fatal mistake of pissing me off at that moment). The point? Same goddam point I made a while back on this thread about it not being a "party drug" and how it should be used with caution and respect. It's recommended that a person have a 'babysitter' when using higher doses. I guess I could have used one yesterday, or at least a life-sized dummy to stab...
The first time I tried Salvia, I smoked a big bong hit of 20x. When I layed back, I imagined I was being zipped into a sarcophagus and carried off into space by two beings. When I 'woke', it was as if reality was a rug that had been pulled out from under me. Everything was plastic and I was part of everything, everything was part of me. I literally thought I was an old tall ship with a sort of rigging for arms. The room was like a ferris wheel, spinning slowly. Acid, mushrooms, bromo-mescaline, forget about it, none of that shit came close to the carnival ride i went on for that 10-15 minutes. I don't remember getting up, but i did, and screamed a bit. Pure loss of ego and temporary insanity! I hate to think what could have happened if no one had been there with me. I might have accidentally walked out of my apartment window or something. Another time, I experienced non-euclidean geometery (the intersecting of two parallel lines), a doorway draped with writhing snakes, and a gigantic insect, part of which had gotten stuck in the ceiling of the room....holy fuck!!!!!
Kids -- use responsibly! Don't flip out and kill someone like I could have! This sort of thing gives drugs a bad name, dig? Good! Now quit fucking arguing with me about this, quit leading me off on tangential diatribes about how the government shouldn't educate, stop uploading those fucking asinine videos to youtube that make parents shit their drawers, and get yourself a life-size dummy to stab or a babysitter if you try this stuff. Thank you, that is all.
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Well, they didn't post my comment but it looks like Nissley got one through.
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Terri wrote on Oct 25, 2008 2:20 PM:
" There is no such thing as "experimentation". Kids who use any drug or drink any alcohol have a serious mental disease. It's called drug addiction and it can kill. Kids don't need discipline, they need severe punishment. They should be stripped of all of their rights and humiliated for the indecent vermen they are. Kids need to be obedient and should not be allowed to think for themselves. If we start to let them make their own decisions, they might go back to using drugs. And never believe them, they will lie and manipulate to get their way, it's in their druggie nature. Some say that respecting your kid is healthy, I must disagree. Kids suspected of drug use must be broken, even if that means mental scars for the rest of their lives. No matter what the consequences, these kids must be broken or who knows what they might do? Of course many will end up on the road to nowhere anyway but we have to try to save them even if that means destroying some in the process. "
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Terri wrote on Oct 25, 2008 2:20 PM:
" There is no such thing as "experimentation". Kids who use any drug or drink any alcohol have a serious mental disease. It's called drug addiction and it can kill. Kids don't need discipline, they need severe punishment. They should be stripped of all of their rights and humiliated for the indecent vermen they are. Kids need to be obedient and should not be allowed to think for themselves. If we start to let them make their own decisions, they might go back to using drugs. And never believe them, they will lie and manipulate to get their way, it's in their druggie nature. Some say that respecting your kid is healthy, I must disagree. Kids suspected of drug use must be broken, even if that means mental scars for the rest of their lives. No matter what the consequences, these kids must be broken or who knows what they might do? Of course many will end up on the road to nowhere anyway but we have to try to save them even if that means destroying some in the process. "
The troubled teen industry in a nutshell, folks.
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From margaret singer's "Cults In Our Midst"
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Could some folks please inform the Enquirer that khk is CLOSED! LOL...
http://news.cincinnati.com/article/2008 ... /1168/NEWS (http://news.cincinnati.com/article/20081102/NEWS01/811020362/1168/NEWS) :on phone: