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Treatment Abuse, Behavior Modification, Thought Reform => The Troubled Teen Industry => Topic started by: Anonymous on July 30, 2003, 11:13:00 AM
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Many of us first found out about the WWASP concentration camps from a wedsite called the Intrepid Net Reporter. Well take a look at who's commandeered it.
http://www.intrepidnetreporter.com/ (http://www.intrepidnetreporter.com/)
Needless to say, any websites with old links to this site should remove them.
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Posted: 2003-07-29 21:01:00
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Found this update on Intrepid Net Reporter.
http://www.thestraights.com (http://www.thestraights.com)
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I understand your reference here, but I quickly skimmed your post and ended up reading a whole ***-load of propoganda. Oops...
For clarity, the original Intrepid Net Reporter very recently died, after a long-term disability. She was an advocate for children everywhere, and it is a travesty that WWASP is using her domain name. I guess I should've expected such undignified behavior.
As for the plaudits (and they seem to be fairly "new"), keep in mind the following, sent to parents of spring Creek Lodge students, on July 2, 2003, as the press was feasting on the Dundee repercussions:
"We would like to ask all parents, who are willing, to send a Support Letter. We would like to have it on file in case the recent press at other Schools prompt inquiries from our local Press or Others. Many times people don't understand that while we are in an Association together, all Schools and Programs in the Association are independently owned and operated. Many people think we are run by WWASPS when in reality WWASPS just provides services for the Member Schools and Programs. WWASPS provides some great services for the individual members but as outlined in the enrollment agreement they don't own, control, or direct the Schools. The point being that the Individual Schools and Programs do have some distinct differences and do operate independently. For Example: As outlined in the WWASP Catalog Dundee and Tranquility Bay are Behavior Modification Programs while we are a Specialty Boarding School. As a Boarding School we will expel students where Tranquility and Dundee have had good success managing highly behavioral or combative students. We all have the same core model but our services and operations can vary quite a bit as determined by the type of facility we choose to provide and the bad press at another school gets casts on us. Let me be perfectly clear. We absolutely feel the press accounts on the other schools are totally slanted and not accurate. But our point is we are not them and they are not us. Unfortunately, there are a small but vocal group who have no experience with our School or Operations that are trying to cast concerns on our School based on their experience with another Facility in the WWASPS Association. No pun intended, it is from their perspective guilt by association. We feel this is unfair because we are a independent entity and there are significant differences in the way we operate from some of the other Schools or Programs. But fair or not we have to deal with these misperceptions, so we need support letters from each of you.
If you are willing to help, please send an e-mail or letter to: scl@blueslide.com., Spring Creek Lodge, 1342 Blue Slide Road, Thompson Fall, MT 59873.
In the letter or e-mail you should cover the following points: Your experience and support of our School. We suggest that you don't go into the details of your child's problems, but rather the progress and the benefits you see by having your child attend the School.
Your desire that your child's progress be not disrupted because of the opinions of the press or others. If someone or some other parent is dissatisfied with the School, by all means they should remove their child but you don't want your child affected by it. That you are exercising your Parent Right to choose the education and environment you want for you child. Please refer to us as a School not a Program.
Thank you for your support, we have the best parents. SCL Administration"
(copied verbatim, spelling and grammar errors and all)
Is this the same SCL that offers a $1000 bounty to locals in Montana for capturing a run-away? Is this the same "boarding school" that takes kids blindfolded in the night to a small bridge in the countryside, tells them it is a cliff, and then pushes them off? Is this the same boarding school that has bought the local sheriff who now stays out of all SCL staff trespassing and vandalism transgressions which happen when they are out chasing down run-aways? [all claims verifiable by witnesses, BTW]
When Al Anceldua, the Consular staff person in Tijuana, was asked to investigate abuse which later caused Mexico to close High Impact, he received more than 350 urgent letters from parents asking he not "close" Casa. He didn't have that authority, but he was moved by the onslaught of "inspired" pleas to leave Casa alone. Each WWASP facility website has a section for "accolades" (they all appear so similar; they must be designed by the Lichfield who is a web designer). A flurry of similar mailings ends up on a tote sheet of a Congressman's office. I'm not sure John Q. Public is as perceptive when reading canned praise.
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http://fornits.com/phpBB/viewtopic.php? ... &forum=9&3 (http://fornits.com/phpBB/viewtopic.php?topic=523&forum=9&3)
Would it be possible to modify (no pun intended!) the links as posted above by updating the correct domain address for Intrepid Net Reporter(s) which according to the article on The Straights is:
http://www.intrepidnetreporters.com (http://www.intrepidnetreporters.com)
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Done !!
And thanks for the suggestion. :tup:
I was very distressed when I went looking for the site and couldn't find it.
What about Google searches?
Anyone tried that? I will when time allows.
Deborah
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thank you so much for clearing that up for me. i read the article about Donna. I never got to thank her for saving my son.
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i too was very distressed, i USED TO refer people to the site. i didn't know Donna , but will miss just the same Donna you saved me and Nate from a lot of pain and misery. We love you! :nworthy:
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I did a Google search for David Gilcrease, because I knew there was an article at the old INR about him. This was returned:
IntrepidNetReporter - Specialty Schools for Defiant Teens: An ...be "either in prison or in jail" if they were not introduced to the behavioral model developed by the programs in concert with David Gilcrease of Resource ...
http://www.intrepidnetreporter.com/Teen ... wsuit.html (http://www.intrepidnetreporter.com/TeenHelp/lawsuit.html) - 16k - Cached - Similar pages
Clicked the link and got this message:
Thank you for visiting IntrepidNetReporter.com!
The site has been down for a while, but we will have a redesign up very soon. Please check back for updates. Thanks again!
Anyone know where folks will be directed after the site is redesigned?
To the new site for INR?
intrepidnetreporters.com
Or to the WWASP page?
intrepidnetreporter.com
Who can we thank for maintaining the wealth of information Donna had accumulated?
And, will new information be added to the site in the future, or remain as is?
Deborah
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[ This Message was edited by: KarenZ on 2003-10-17 10:01 ]
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Thank Sue?? Knowing how she operates, it's PURELY for profit - heard she sends out links to parents that have been looking at schools other than what she refers to.
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Sue...the lesser of two evils!
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you know i think that all of us, want the same thing (we all know what that is)and are giving the enemy fire as we argue. nobody is saying we have to 100% agree with what someone else says or does! we just need to stick together! and do what was planned long before i came along!! and we all know what that was! it is coming! i like and respect each one of you that has played apart in this! this is my thought. thanks for listening shannon
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[ This Message was edited by: KarenZ on 2003-10-17 10:02 ]
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if this is so, then, thank you sue. :wink:
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I think PURE started off as a good idea but unfortunely I think that the ed consulting branch of this industry has way too much conflict of interest. Consultants should be paid by the parents not referal fees from the schools.
In addition it seems very strange that someone whose own child was abused in a wwasp program would then seek to "help" other parents have their teens kidnapped off to other programs. I think the connection that Sue never made was that WWASP is just one bad apple in an orchard full of them.
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I don't think what you are getting is ed.consultants are getting paid at both ends of the stick. Dont fool yourself that they are not. why do all ed. cons. refer the same group time and time again. think about it. Remember they are not regulated either. IECA = a joke of a organization to make them feel important and charge lots of money, where are they regulated?
I am not saying pure is good or bad, right or wrong, but hey lets give credit where credit is due. I think is has helped lots of parents see the ligth before they hit the darkness many of us saw. I agree with the morse and Karen, we are all on the same side, even pure/sue.
I think tearing each other apart can only weaken our forces. Hey, look we have a class action now! Yippeee. I heard WWAPS hired a PR firm, they will need it.
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Sorry guys, but I have to say, Sue and I are not on the same side. It was upon her recommendation of her buddy, the ed consultant who went with me to Dundee, who once there would not go on the grounds with me, he did not want them to know he was there, who cost me an arm and a leg. I was not helped because she cared. I was helped because I paid. By the way this same ed consultant is the one who told Sue she should proclaim herself a professional (ha, ha) and a member of their organization, IECP, or what ever it is called.
I don't beleive in abuse...but,I don't beleive people should take advantage of others desparate situation, especially when they claim to be empathetic to it.
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THANK YOU SUE FOR BRINGING BACK INTREPIDNET, THAT SITE IS A GREAT DEAL OF INFORMATION FOR MANY.
IGNORE CAREY, AS MANY OF US DO.
WE ARE ON THE SAME SIDE, NOT INCLUDING CAREY. HEY ONE BAD APPLE IN THIS LARGE GROUP IS NOT BAD.
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Anon wrote:
I don't think what you are getting is ed.consultants are getting paid at both ends of the stick.
This was true of the TBS I had dealings with. During the first parent "workshop" (more like a sales pitch) he said, "We can't compensate Ed Cons, but if you prove you used one we can give you a $250 rebate which you can use as you see fit."
My thought- Aren't they earning enough for nothing? The one my ex used never saw my son and knew very little about the facility when I called her upon finding out they nor their wilderness program were registered with the state. What did she do to earn that money? Had a phone conversation and provided a name.
Deborah
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Deborah,
Your point is exactly what I am saying.
Oh, I want to thank Sue for bringing back Intrepidnetreporters, Thank you!!! Great Save!!
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If Sue is so great, why did Ryan have to remove his letter from her web site?
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I asked Ryan; b/c of his movie rights the director asked for it to be pulled down. It had nothing to do with Sue, and Sue only honored what they asked her to do. So, get off it already.
I want to thank Sue for bringing back a website that is so instrumental in showing parents what Teen Help is about. I didn't see anyone else doing this.
I don't know Sue personally, but have read her website and could care less if she makes money or not, the point is I see good information for parents that could be considering WWASPS.
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Yeah right! Great, you support someone who, first you admit to knowing nothing about, second who places kids in unregualted programs. Boy, your support of her does not mean a thing. As a matter of fact, it sounds just like the kind of parents who support WWASP.
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I support any anti WWASPS group.
Your pettiness is getting in the way of your thinking. I am not talking about other programs, I am talking about WWASPS and the articles that are there to show the true colors of WWASPS. GEEEZZZZ.... Get over your anger about her and focus on the cause.
I didn't see you bring back Intrepidnets, just something to think about.
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who's angry? not me. you are angry!
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Here is the new link -
http://www.intrepidnetreporters.com/ (http://www.intrepidnetreporters.com/)
I'm told we have to thank Sue Schieff of PURE Inc. for reinstating the site.
[ This Message was edited by: KarenZ on 2003-07-30 17:22 ]
I'M CONFUSED. WHY IS THERE NO MENTION OF MS. HEADRICK's DEATH ON THE INTREPID NET REPORTERS WEBSITE OR THE PURE WEBSITE? IS MS.SCHEFF THE REGISTERED OWNER OF THE INTREPID NET REPORTERS WEBSITE?
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I'M SORRY, THE POST BELOW WAS DIRECTED TO KAREN Z. (OR ANYONE ELSE) WHO CAN HELP ANSWER THE QUESTIONS.
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Ryan removed his statement from Sue's site after I spoke to him about doing so. I have the proof it it be necessary to post. However, I will only post it at the request of a NON Anon poster.
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I was asked in private to share the request I made to Ryan about removing his statement from Sue's site. Also is his response to my request.
I think Ryan does understand the danger in association with those less reputable. I just wish some of the adults who stand behind her could see the danger.
Subj: Re: (no subject)
Date: 7/19/03 1:12:55 PM Central Daylight Time
From: Careycbock@aol.com (http://mailto:Careycbock@aol.com)
Sent from the Internet (Details)
Carey, thank for the advice and i appreciate it, i will definatley not associate with her anymore and try to tak the story off her web.
ryan
Careycbock@aol.com wrote:
Hi Ryan. I am the mother of twins who were at the school in Costa Rica.
I am writing to you because I saw that you posted on Sue Scheff's website. I want you to know that your creditabilty will be lost because of your association with her. She is no different then those who place kids in WWASP programs. She knows nothing about children and how to address their needs especially when it comes to something as controversial as "behavior modification." The schools she places kids in pay her. She works for the schools. These are schools that are unregulated just as the WWASP schools are. So being associated with Sue is very dangerous and will hurt our fight to close these places down.
Carey
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Scary Carey,
After that, didn't you also start verbally assaulting Ryan for being a consultant for the "coldwater" movie project? Who placed you above the rest of us?
What is your point in discrediting Sue, Ryan, Karen, et. al.? Are you the only truthful person in this industry NOW?
Why the need to continue to post everyone's dirty laundry on this forum? You continue to amaze me with your running to the right & then when you wake up the next morning, your are back over on the left side.
I am speaking for myself, not for any group or anyone in particular; before you start accusing me of what ever it is you dream up!!!
Regards,
Lee
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I think SCAREY CAREY :skull: is SCHIZO! I know didnt spell it right, but she must know how since she is a writer. Her Obession with Sue Scheff/Ryan/Coldwater/and every other person is really SICK!!! Doesnt she get we dont CARE!!! Yes I am ANON. SO WHAT.
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Lee
I was just going back to the the Anon (probably the same Anon who posted prvious to my post now) who told a lie. Here let me quote what Anon said:
I asked Ryan; b/c of his movie rights the director asked for it to be pulled down. It had nothing to do with Sue, and Sue only honored what they asked her to do. So, get off it already.
I think accurate information and the truth are important.
And Lee, I think Ryan is still hurting his creditability by endorsing a FICTION film.
Its all important!!!!
I am sure I am scary to those of you who have had another agenda all along.
[ This Message was edited by: Carey on 2003-08-05 12:05 ]
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Carey,
That's Ryan's business...NOT yours! When did YOU become his parental responsibility? Did you obtain permission from Ryan's parent to post his email statments? Just a thought, you may have set your self up again!
I believe the trail of emails you have do not include ALL of them. You trashed Sue about Ryan on her web site. Then YOU contacted Ryan & asked him to remove his post from her sight. Then the director also contacted Sue to ask that Ryan?s post be removed.
In response to YOU thinking that YOU controlled the whole matter...YOU didn't!!! It was removed because Ryan personally asked that it be removed at his director's request. Now, get your accurate information straight & NOT just YOUR side to the story!
After that was said & done...You then proceeded to attack Ryan & his parents for allowing him to consult on a movie project. Why do YOU personally think YOU should be the deciding factor as to what everyone does?
Believe me, NO one is afraid of YOU. I?m tired of YOUR tactics & YOUR efforts to distort the truth & bully everyone. You don't have a clue as to what you are up against!!! I for one consider you as comical entertainment & enjoy watching YOUR he said; she said antics.
Your attention should be concentrated on YOUR children, ex husband & court proceedings. NOT minding everyone else's business!!!
Regards,
Lee
[ This Message was edited by: turbinekat on 2003-08-05 13:00 ]
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HELL, DONT FLATTER YOURSELF CAREY, WE ARE NOT AFRAID OF YOU, YOU ARE JUST SCARY AS A PERSON. HONESTLY, YOU DO HAVE MANY HANG UPS ON CERTAIN ISSUES YOU CANT LET GO OF. EVERY THINK OF GETTING HELP? SURE YOU CAN WRITE, BUT HAVING YOUR FACULITES WOULD HELP TOO.
I DITTO TURBINEKAT/LEE.
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Lee,
I have the email from my correspondence with the director of the film, Sean. When I get home this evening I will post that too. I also convinced him it should be removed. I want to make sure everyone knows the truth.
You trashed Sue about Ryan on her web site. Then YOU contacted Ryan & asked him to remove his post from her sight. Then the director also contacted Sue to ask that Ryan?s post be removed.
Lee I am curious, have you been talking to Sue? Just wandering where you are getting your information from since you were not privy to ANY of the conversations. Karen tends to do the same thing. She too talks a lot about things she has not been a part of.
By the way, are you and Nancy still on Sue's list as personal references?
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Still waiting patiently for an answer from someone about why the death of Donna Headrick is not mentioned on the websites. This seems rather sad, don't you think? :???:
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Yeah, it's very sad. Guess nothing is sacred in this business.
:smokin:
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[ This Message was edited by: KarenZ on 2003-10-17 10:07 ]
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Lee,
You said, and I quote:
In response to YOU thinking that YOU controlled the whole matter...YOU didn't!!! It was removed because Ryan personally asked that it be removed at his director's request. Now, get your accurate information straight & NOT just YOUR side to the story!
Here is one of the emails between me and the director of Coldwater:
Subj: Re: (no subject)
Date: 7/19/03 1:52:26 PM Central Daylight Time
From: Careycbock@aol.com (http://mailto:Careycbock@aol.com)
Sent from the Internet (Details)
Ryan is in no way associated with Sue Scheff. They have corresponded in the past, but he does not have any affiliation whatsoever. We have done due diligence on Ryan and he is an advocate of teens and stopping the abuse. I can't discuss it in any greater detail, but rest assured we are doing our best to have the utmost integrity with our film. FYI: the link to Help Your Teens is coming down, until we can investigate it further.
Thanks so much.
sean
Sean,
You are going to have some problems on your hand with Ryan and his association with your film. He is affiliated with Sue Scheff of Pure, Inc. Anyone who is affiliated with her will be sued by WWASP and will be found not creditable. What she does is exactly the same as those who work for WWASP.
Carey
Now if you look at the time on Ryan's email it was before I spoke with the director of Coldwater. I believe my speaking with both of them played a part in the removal of Ryan's letter from the PURE, Inc. website.
This is a start. He is still endorsing the FICTION movie which will still cause problems, maybe just not as big of problems.
Sure seems like the FICTION movie would be a bigger risk than had the pictures that Chris has kept hidden been exposed. Afterall if the media could have gotten a hold of those, Casa might be closed today. How many children are there? Just think they could all be home right now. And you know what, those pictures would still be evidence that could be used in court. Kinda like the Rodney King video. Ya know what I mean.
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Is this another made up accusation? Pictures someone says they have of something. Hidden?? If there are photos, they will come out in court, don't you think?? I agree that the creditability of the witnesses are crashing and burning. :flame:
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On 2003-08-05 13:13:00, Carey wrote:
Lee I am curious, have you been talking to Sue? Just wandering where you are getting your information from since you were not privy to ANY of the conversations. Karen tends to do the same thing. She too talks a lot about things she has not been a part of.
YOU are correct, YOU are "wandering"!!! Back to the part YOU have yet to understand!!!
I've yet to see your proof? YOU have continued to leave out a few emails again, haven't YOU Carey? You amaze ME with YOUR one sidedness or should we say, "Carey Convenience".
How do you know who was privy & who wasn't? Again, your mouth has overloaded you rear end, you have double talked all around the matter. YOU again, have appointed yourself the expert on the subject matter.
Now, I'm associated with Karen & Sue according to YOU. Carey, you continue to ass/u/me everything to your liking? What ever floats your boat? At least get your oars in the water, though.
By the way, are you and Nancy still on Sue's list as personal references?"
Your facts again are slanted in your favor!!! Yes, I believe we are listed as "parent volunteers". Now, I'll let you tell fornits & me what that means. Since you are the rocket scientist in the group? I don't think your bank title makes you a child specialist either nor affiliated with another bank in the industry, does it?
Cheap, very cheap, entertainment!!!
Regards,
Lee
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Sure seems like the FICTION movie would be a bigger risk than had the pictures that Chris has kept hidden been exposed. Afterall if the media could have gotten a hold of those, Casa might be closed today. How many children are there? Just think they could all be home right now. And you know what, those pictures would still be evidence that could be used in court. Kinda like the Rodney King video. Ya know what I mean. "
Carey,
Again, you?re off the wall! You have ass/u/me, I don't think the movie will have any affect on anything I do in life I very rarely attend any movie theaters. That maybe part of your problem, YOU may watch to may.
If I'm not mistaken, "Rodney King" is back in jail & I don't know what you mean?
As far as Casa being closed, in my opinion it should have closed when high impact was targeted. If I'm not mistaken it was reviewed at the same time & remained open for some reason or another. I wasn't around when any of that transpired, kind of "BC" concerning me. If I'm not mistaken, again, it may have been before YOU as well. Which means, anything either of us knows about it would be considered "hearsay"; I believe that's the term?
Regards,
Lee