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General Interest => Open Free for All => Topic started by: psy on September 25, 2008, 12:18:51 AM
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Subject: Yoga Mat
Date: Tue Sep 23, 2008 8:18 pm
From: TheWho (http://http://www.fornits.com/phpbb/memberlist.php?mode=viewprofile&u=2760)
To: Antigen
I was thinking , there seems to be a passion to have me banned based on one or more of the posts I have read. Maybe there is a way to leverage that to raise money for fornits. I really did intend to leave fornits and keep my word, but I just couldn’t resist coming back to respond to posts and I was surprised that you stuck to your moral beliefs and allowed me to still login under my user name, thank you. If roles were reversed I am not sure I would be able to control my impulse to figure out a way to keep you off my forum, if I was in charge, and I consider myself open minded. I love what you have created here and feel I don’t interfere overall with the traffic either way. You have a unique forum and I am surprised it does not have more traffic than it does. Somehow you need to get the word out to people that you are here, not just survivors but anyone who wants to speak out without moderators… fornits is a hidden gem and given the right exposure I think it would become an oasis for those who want to speak their minds unharnessed.. sorry if I am sounding like a sycophant here this is not my intent.
Some ideas, You could brain storm on ways to raise money by selling my username or locking it, you could throw me under the bus if you like by taking it away, sell monthly rights to control the avatar or lock me out and have different people post under the user name, have the winner design a who free forum etc. I would go along for the satisfaction that fornits will benefit and have the resources to continue on. I may be able to match all or part of what you raise off the endeavor also. Give it some thought; I don’t necessarily need a reply.
You have my permission to delete/erase our correspondences so that they don’t make it onto the forum.
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Everybody take note as to what he is consenting to... offering to do, freely, of his own will. We didn't even have to ask! Point is: he wouldn't tehnically be banned, since he is consenting to it... Therefore, it isn't violating anybody's ethical principles. So. Let's start the bidding at 50 dollars for his account. TheWho will then match all or part of that amount, as per his offer (though he will probably be a cheap bastard and claim something like 5% as "part").
When the auction is over, the winner can donate here (http://http://www.dreamhost.com/donate.cgi?id=10300). The proceeds will go directly to Dreamhost to pay for our hosting, allowing an upgrade in service that should get rid of some of the 404 and 500 errors we've been having recently.
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I bid $50! ;D
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I bid $50! ;D
I bid 60.
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$75!
How long is the auction for? Is there a buy-it-now price? I don't ever want to read another of his posts again! :rasta:
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$75!
$80! (giving us 800 megs of ram for a month on dreamhost PS.)
How long is the auction for?
Couple days.
Is there a buy-it-now price?
Nope.
I don't ever want to read another of his posts again! :rasta:
Well. TheWho seems to have no problem complying with your wishes. What he wrote was a selfless attempt at entra... er... generosity which we are more than happy to oblige.
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So if you win you get control over his account?
What prevents him from making another account?
Will he be banned if he posts as guest or makes a new user name?
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So if you win you get control over his account?
I suppose so.
What prevents him from making another account?
Nothing, but maybe he'll agree not to.
Will he be banned if he posts as guest or makes a new user name?
Nope... Unless he agrees to that. Or if you interpret "lock me out" (see op) as just that... but I think consent for that would have to be more explicit. Probably best to ask him.
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I think this last round of ass clownery with the Who, just as the earlier rounds with Nazi et al, has proven once again that you can't effectively ban a specific individual and still allow free and open discussion by others. So no, there will be no more attempts to ban anyone.
The winner just gets to control the The Who account and enjoy the warmth and gratification of helping to support the Fornits.
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bidding currently at 80 dollars. do I hear 85?
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It's absurd, I tell ya.... :jerry:
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Today I had lunch with some of the regulars from the "The legion of doom" at Gotham City Grill . (http://http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Legion_of_Doom_(comics))
I mentioned 'the who' auction to Lex Luthor and the penguin. They were surprised to hear that 'the who' is considering renegging on their original deal this past February without contacting them first.
Nonirregardless..
The penguin bids a year supply of arctic frosted penguin guano
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Lex's offers his collection of granny porn as well as all this week's profits from the illegal poker operation he has in mid-town.
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$85.00
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So if you win you get control over his account?
What prevents him from making another account?
Will he be banned if he posts as guest or makes a new user name?
You can lock me out from opening new accounts, I will be letting my proxify account go unrenewed also in a month or so. But I dont think it is right that psy pick up the tab on this one. He and a few others have done alot to keep fornits afloat along with personal sacrifices. It would be nice to show a little more support for fornits, it has survived this long. It should continue......
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$85.00
You're planning on deleting his account (and all posts) I bet... Well. That's your choice if you own it. It would slim down the spam content of the database considerably.
WE HAVE 85. DO I HEAR 90?
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So if you win you get control over his account?
What prevents him from making another account?
Will he be banned if he posts as guest or makes a new user name?
You can lock me out from opening new accounts, I will be letting my proxify account go unrenewed also in a month or so.
I could do that, but i'd rather not, unless it's definitively what you're consenting to and desire... but then again, there are certain things that can't legally be consented to (such as a waiver of certain rights). The rationale behind that is people should always be able to change their minds about such grave things.
That being said, what you could do is agree to honor your "scouts honor" promise to stay off the site. While I don't necessarily trust you to do such a thing (as you breached your promise in the past), it's really the best I can hope for. You've upset a lot of people around here. I'm glad you're agreeing to honor their wishes.
WE HAVE 85. DO I HEAR 90?
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85 from RobertBruce.... going once (twice is tomorrow, day after is sold)
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I bid one million dollars! :bs:
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I bid one million and one!
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85 from RobertBruce.... going once (twice is tomorrow, day after is sold)
Going twice.
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I have a condition.
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I have a condition.
Ha,Ha,Ha backing out? Thought so, this has been RB's MO. So this means the bidding collapsed and we will have to renegotiate. Maybe we can try it again next month when there is more traffic and RB can afford it.
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I have a condition.
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I have a condition.
http://http://austinlinks.net/austin_music/images/awh/ears.gif
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Typical bidding rules….
By bidding, you are stating that you are ready and willing to purchase that item for your bid amount, plus any shipping charges disclosed in the listing. If you are outbid, or your bid does not meet the seller's reserve price, you are under no obligation to buy. But in all other cases, you are entering a contract with the seller to buy the item, and to deliver payment within the time period specified. If you can't pay, on time, don't bid!
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So this means the bidding collapsed and we will have to renegotiate.
Psy has the next winning bid, so either way, enjoy your last night as TheWho.
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So this means the bidding collapsed and we will have to renegotiate.
Psy has the next winning bid, so either way, enjoy your last night as TheWho.
It is actually perfect watching RB cut and run. Always knew he was full of crap........ I just need to come back later and clean out my locker.
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Always knew he was full of crap........
Now you know how the rest of fornits feels about you! Only a couple hours left who. :rasta:
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I have a condition.
We know, but it is not on the DSM-IV list, so insurance will no cover you. You will have to pay for treatment out of pocket, no escort service will touch you which means you will have to drive yourself. Take your time, we will wait for you.
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SOLD, to RobertBruce for 85 dollars.
Please place your donation in the donations box here (http://http://www.dreamhost.com/donate.cgi?id=10300), let me know after you do it, and i'll reset TheWho's password and send it to you. Whooter. You agreed to match the donation (or something like that), so...
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This seems pointless; what's to stop him from just setting up another account?
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SAKyHhuw1HA (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SAKyHhuw1HA)
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Ha, ha, ha.
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SAKyHhuw1HA
Aww, Thanks everyone !! Its been real.......
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SAKyHhuw1HA
A comment left for this clip two days ago:
drthirsty (2 days ago)
I remember this vid being played on Beavis and Butthead....and they sang it as "goodbye to poo".........hilarious.[/list]
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Its been real.......
:D Now THAT'S funny!
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Its been real.......
:D Now THAT'S funny!
I thought everyone would miss that!! Your humor rubbed off on me over the years, Frod, what can I say.
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Actually, I'm going to kind of miss you. Your contributions on the various posting while drunk threads have been worthy. None the less I'm sure you'll be back soon in the form of a sock.
I'D Like to know about this condition of RB's though.. has that been satisfied, and if not does that really mean the auction is over?
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Actually, I'm going to kind of miss you. Your contributions on the various posting while drunk threads have been worthy. None the less I'm sure you'll be back soon in the form of a sock.
I'D Like to know about this condition of RB's though.. has that been satisfied, and if not does that really mean the auction is over?
See ya TSW, There is a big difference in just being a plain outright asshole and someone who is getting drunk sometimes and fucking things up. I remember waking up and logging on to see You had gotten drunk and deleted 800 of my posts and changed my avatar to indicate I was a member of NAMBLA (I think it was). See, shit like that is funny…. Changing one of my posts for dishonest reasons is wrong and you never did stuff like that. You are one of the more trustworthy people here on fornits….. you have done a lot here over the years I have been here.
Remember when the doctor asks you (on your annual checkup) how much you drink remind him that there are 24 hours in a day and 24 beers in a case. Coincidence? I think not.
Good luck with the teaching gig …. Here is one (of many) of my favorite teacher stories:
It is near the end of the school year. The teacher has turned in the grades and there is really nothing more to do. All the children are restless because of
this.
Teacher: "Whoever answers the questions I ask, first and correctly can leave early today."
Little Johnny says to himself "Good, I want to get outta here. I’m smart and will answer the question."
Teacher: "Who said ’Four Score and Seven Years Ago’?"
Before Johnny can open his mouth, Susie says, "Abraham Lincoln."
Teacher: "That’s right Susie, you can go home."
Johnny is MAD that Susie answered the question first.
Teacher: "Who said ’I Have a Dream’?"
Before Johnny can open his mouth, Mary says, "Martin Luther King."
Teacher: "That’s right Mary, you can go."
Johnny is even madder than before.
Teacher: "Who said ’Ask not, what your country can do for you’?"
Before Johnny can open his mouth, Nancy says, "John F. Kennedy."
Teacher: "That’s right Nancy, you may also leave."
Johnny is BOILING mad that he has not been able to answer to any of the
questions.
When the teacher turns her back Johnny says, "I wish these bitches would keep their mouths shut!"
The teacher turns around: "NOW WHO SAID THAT?!?!"
Johnny: "BILL CLINTON. CAN I GO NOW?"
TSW wrote:
… in the form of a sock.
..... btw over the 3 + years I have been here I never did ever figure out what “sock puppet” meant. I had asked my wife and she thought it was a put down to people who couldn’t afford marionettes so they had to use an old sock to put on a kids play when they were little (So, I guess poor people). I think it meant a person who could talk the talk but couldn’t walk the walk thereby the relationship with talking thru the sock or someone who was living in an imaginary world… or talking with no strings attached like a marionette has.... can anyone clue me in on this?
Take care……..
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Jesus, RB - make that donation already. :wall:
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Actually, I'm going to kind of miss you. Your contributions on the various posting while drunk threads have been worthy. None the less I'm sure you'll be back soon in the form of a sock.
I'D Like to know about this condition of RB's though.. has that been satisfied, and if not does that really mean the auction is over?
See ya TSW, There is a big difference in just being a plain outright asshole and someone who is getting drunk sometimes and fucking things up. I remember waking up and logging on to see You had gotten drunk and deleted 800 of my posts and changed my avatar to indicate I was a member of NAMBLA (I think it was). See, shit like that is funny…. Changing one of my posts for dishonest reasons is wrong and you never did stuff like that. You are one of the more trustworthy people here on fornits….. you have done a lot here over the years I have been here.
Remember when the doctor asks you (on your annual checkup) how much you drink remind him that there are 24 hours in a day and 24 beers in a case. Coincidence? I think not.
Good luck with the teaching gig …. Here is one (of many) of my favorite teacher stories:
It is near the end of the school year. The teacher has turned in the grades and there is really nothing more to do. All the children are restless because of
this.
Teacher: "Whoever answers the questions I ask, first and correctly can leave early today."
Little Johnny says to himself "Good, I want to get outta here. I’m smart and will answer the question."
Teacher: "Who said ’Four Score and Seven Years Ago’?"
Before Johnny can open his mouth, Susie says, "Abraham Lincoln."
Teacher: "That’s right Susie, you can go home."
Johnny is MAD that Susie answered the question first.
Teacher: "Who said ’I Have a Dream’?"
Before Johnny can open his mouth, Mary says, "Martin Luther King."
Teacher: "That’s right Mary, you can go."
Johnny is even madder than before.
Teacher: "Who said ’Ask not, what your country can do for you’?"
Before Johnny can open his mouth, Nancy says, "John F. Kennedy."
Teacher: "That’s right Nancy, you may also leave."
Johnny is BOILING mad that he has not been able to answer to any of the
questions.
When the teacher turns her back Johnny says, "I wish these bitches would keep their mouths shut!"
The teacher turns around: "NOW WHO SAID THAT?!?!"
Johnny: "BILL CLINTON. CAN I GO NOW?"
TSW wrote:
… in the form of a sock.
..... btw over the 3 + years I have been here I never did ever figure out what “sock puppet” meant. I had asked my wife and she thought it was a put down to people who couldn’t afford marionettes so they had to use an old sock to put on a kids play when they were little (So, I guess poor people). I think it meant a person who could talk the talk but couldn’t walk the walk thereby the relationship with talking thru the sock or someone who was living in an imaginary world… or talking with no strings attached like a marionette has.... can anyone clue me in on this?
Take care……..
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A sock is a fake persona taken on to post under an assumed identity. Meaning I'm having a hard time believing this will be the last of you. However, if it is then more power to you.
I've seen that story to and it's a bit of a hoot.
Still waiting on a response to the question I asked about RB's condition. Has it been met? If not is the bidding still on?
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Still waiting on a response to the question I asked about RB's condition. Has it been met? If not is the bidding still on?
It hasn’t been met yet. I have talked with RB off line (outside the forum) several times and in all honesty I wouldn’t hold my breath for the money. He pretty much just trolls me here on Fornits and doesn’t do much else and doesn’t have much to contribute so if I am gone there is no reason for him to stay. My guess is that he realized this after he made his bid and is hoping it will just go away or someone would top his bid.
Its too bad really because like I said earlier having psy pay is like this “bailout package” that the government is putting together. A bailout would mean someone else is paying for it but there isn’t anyone else, there is no one bailing us out (there is no "new" money coming in from the outside). The government is just moving money around to cover the lending institutions mistakes (at home and overseas) and the US workers will get the bill later on. So you see psy has already contributed as much as he can so to saddle him with the $80 isn’t really fair or "just", because he is helping out as much as he can already.
I would guess that if someone covered Devens bid then psy would accept it or email Deven to see if he was willing to let someone else step forward.
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What is this here condition anyway?
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Robert Bruce? He is thewho. Thewho created his own arch enemy to keep the thread about him running for what, 200+ pages? How many pages did Martin Anderson get? The longest running threads are the most idiotic and who fueled. RB always gave thewho the chance to post his halfwit statistics on how much worse public schools are than TBS's. Apples and oranges, dude. People are paying for TBS's to keep their kids away from dope and violence. The TBS's put them on prescribed dope and beat the shit out of kids in a way anyone else would be jailed for. And the kids die, occasionally. I can't think of any incidents where public school teachers put a kid face down on the ground then beat and suffocated the life out of him/her. Public school teachers would be put in prison for killing a kid or never teach again for initiating a restraint. RTC employees escape prosecution and/or go to work at another program, because "professionals" killing a kid in "treatment" is an unpleasant yet unavoidable part of "therapy".
It would be easy to assemble a list of the ten most violent public high schools in America using valid studies. TheWho wouldn't name one currently open program as abusive, let alone violent and dangerous.
Burrow deep, you lying troll bastard. You will not be missed. No doubt you will pop back up in a new and more insidious persona, like some chronic genital wart. When your black heart locks up and you die screaming like a gutless pussy, the demons will drag you to a customized hell. Every torture and abuse reported by survivors that you scoffed at as lies will be inflicted on you and you'll experience every program death as the victims did. Your hell will be like High Impact and Str8 in Springfield for eternity.
We'll be pissing and shooting deuces on your grave, jerkoff.
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Robert Bruce? He is thewho. Thewho created his own arch enemy to keep the thread about him running for what, 200+ pages? How many pages did Martin Anderson get? The longest running threads are the most idiotic and who fueled. RB always gave thewho the chance to post his halfwit statistics on how much worse public schools are than TBS's. Apples and oranges, dude. People are paying for TBS's to keep their kids away from dope and violence.
Nice try Deven, but I don’t think anyone is buying it. Pay up!!
The TBS's put them on prescribed dope and beat the shit out of kids in a way anyone else would be jailed for. And the kids die, occasionally.
Wrong again, Doctors prescribe the medication. I already debunked your suggestion that kids die in TBS’s. The facts show they are order of magnitudes safer than public schools. I have proven this over and over again.
I can't think of any incidents where public school teachers put a kid face down on the ground then beat and suffocated the life out of him/her. Public school teachers would be put in prison for killing a kid or never teach again for initiating a restraint. RTC employees escape prosecution and/or go to work at another program, because "professionals" killing a kid in "treatment" is an unpleasant yet unavoidable part of "therapy".
It would be easy to assemble a list of the ten most violent public high schools in America using valid studies.
How would you know? Give it a shot then!! Again you have no idea what you are talking about.
TheWho wouldn't name one currently open program as abusive, let alone violent and dangerous.
Havent seen anyone here discuss or acknowledge that public school are dangerous. Here check out this video of a teacher beating the crap out of a kid while he is sitting in the class room. There are hundreds of them but you don’t see them posted here.
http://http://www.flicklife.com/5709851b77148e225b33/Teacher_Hits_Student.html
What have you ever posted, a 1980’s picture of a takedown from a tv show and a story of a 300 lb guy who sat on a kid. Two or three of the same outdated incidences posted over and over again. This is very weak evidence at best considering the tens of thousands of kids who graduate from these places every year. At least the restraints are controlled and done by trained personnel. The above video shows a teacher on top of the kid just beating the kid on the ground.
Burrow deep, you lying troll bastard. You will not be missed. No doubt you will pop back up in a new and more insidious persona, like some chronic genital wart. When your black heart locks up and you die screaming like a gutless pussy, the demons will drag you to a customized hell. Every torture and abuse reported by survivors that you scoffed at as lies will be inflicted on you and you'll experience every program death as the victims did. Your hell will be like High Impact and Str8 in Springfield for eternity.
We'll be pissing and shooting deuces on your grave, jerkoff.
The only people I have ever seen get this pissed off are those who have been proven wrong time and again. I am sorry to have burst your bubble all these years but the facts speak for themselves and I realize it is frustrating for you. Inevitably someone else will come along and continue to debunk your deceptive postings.
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TheWho is right about one thing: pay up so Psy can shut him up.
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MEWL. MEWL. MEEEEOOOOWWWWWW.
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Was that one last pissy rant for the road, you lying hate filled douche bag?
The public school system wasn't investigated by the GAO. The average American knows about public schools but is clueless about your beloved troubled teen industry. Your partners in crime have done a good job keeping "under the radar" for decades because they had to, programs can't hold up under the slightest scrutiny.
Whatever. When you are finally dragged by the Desolate One back into the Lake of Fire rest assured I will travel to Newton and drop a loose deuce on your dead ass. I won't even wait for the funeral to end. I'll also spray paint "Aspen Asshole Enclosed" on your casket, you dried up bag of shit dust.
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Is bidding still open?
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Was that one last pissy rant for the road, you lying hate filled douche bag?
No, there is more, seems you have a little left in you yourself
The public school system wasn't investigated by the GAO.
Neither was the teen help industry until the last year or so. So your logic concludes that the industry was fine up until last year?
The average American knows about public schools but is clueless about your beloved troubled teen industry. Your partners in crime have done a good job keeping "under the radar" for decades because they had to, programs can't hold up under the slightest scrutiny.
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Whatever. When you are finally dragged by the Desolate One back into the Lake of Fire rest assured I will travel to Newton and drop a loose deuce on your dead ass. I won't even wait for the funeral to end. I'll also spray paint "Aspen Asshole Enclosed" on your casket, you dried up bag of shit dust.
As you drive home the hatred will rage within you and will fail to subside and you will slowly begin to realize that the hatred is aimed inward. You will finally realize that you had control, all along, of your own destiny and were just blaming others for your own consequences in life, however harsh they were, that you caused. You fucked up your own life and it is becoming ever clearer that there are fewer and fewer others you can justify to blame but yourself. This will be the hardest and final pill you will have to swallow.
As you lay taking your last breath staring at your snow globe of the Aspen slopes, you shake it one final time and say “TheWho was right all along, I should have taken control of my life and moved on instead living in this fake world of blaming others , what a waste I made of it.”..... as the snow globe falls to the ground and shatters revealing the deception of a happier life and fake snow that was your fabricated world for so long.... The energy given to the closed system by shaking it was only that after all, energy, it never had an effect outside the glass enclosure and only served as an escape to your anger which never subsided until now.
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The average American knows about public schools but is clueless about your beloved troubled teen industry. Your partners in crime have done a good job keeping "under the radar" for decades because they had to, programs can't hold up under the slightest scrutiny.
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In this case you are part of the citation. Name a program that you believe COULD hold up to scrutiny.
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As you drive home the hatred will rage within you and will fail to subside and you will slowly begin to realize that the hatred is aimed inward. You will finally realize that you had control, all along, of your own destiny and were just blaming others for your own consequences in life, however harsh they were, that you caused. You fucked up your own life and it is becoming ever clearer that there are fewer and fewer others you can justify to blame but yourself. This will be the hardest and final pill you will have to swallow.
As you lay taking your last breath staring at your snow globe of the Aspen slopes, you shake it one final time and say “TheWho was right all along, I should have taken control of my life and moved on instead living in this fake world of blaming others , what a waste I made of it.”..... as the snow globe falls to the ground and shatters revealing the deception of a happier life and fake snow that was your fabricated world for so long.... The energy given to the closed system by shaking it was only that after all, energy, it never had an effect outside the glass enclosure and only served as an escape to your anger which never subsided until now.
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"Fucked up" my own life? Surprise! I'm your daughter you bastard! I should tell them why you really put me in ASR and what you do for these fucking programs - they certainly kept you from going to prison. Don't call me to scream either. I won't answer the phone. I'll do what mom does and pretend you're dead, FUCKER! You always asked me to post something "positive" on here for you. Well what do you think, are you happy you asked? Was I positive? Tell these people what you actually do for a living, or should I?
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RobertBruce, "come out", "come out" where ever you are!! What is your condition. You are leaving us all hanging and it is not fair to the other people who bid as well. We know you are reading the posts here. Lets go!!
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Is Who having troll's remorse?
No, I think the imposter Whos have chased him away. Who's goal was confusing whatever newbie came along in a helpful direction, but imposter Whos deleted that as a feasible goal.
Thank you masked avengers!
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Is Who having troll's remorse?
No, I think the imposter Whos have chased him away. Who's goal was confusing whatever newbie came along in a helpful direction, but imposter Whos deleted that as a feasible goal.
Thank you masked avengers!
Geesh, What the hell does all that mean? Sometimes I feel like I am in the twilight zone here. Where is Brucey/Deven? Why dont you log in little guy, you got some splanin to do.
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Tap,Tap,Tap Where is this guy? Who would make the high bid on an auction, at the eleventh hour say they have a "condition" and then never comes back to tell us the condition?
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Tap,Tap,Tap Where is this guy? Who would make the high bid on an auction, at the eleventh hour say they have a "condition" and then never comes back to tell us the condition?
OK. Due to RobertBruce's unexplained disappearance, Bidding re-opening at 80 dollars. Do I hear 85?
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Oh Cindy, are you really so stuck on me still that you my abscence for even a few days sends you into a destructive tail spin? I told you Alan, I'm not into dudes, you just have to accept it and know that you'll meet a nice boy someday. Do you really crave my attention so badly that any person who puts you in your place you automatically declare to be me? I told you Alan I dont play the same games you do (including your man on man wrestling matches) when I post on here I do so under my own screen name. I'm not a coward like you, I can own up to and stand behind my comments. I don't need to constantly back peddal as you do.
I must say though I am glad to see that you haven't changed much over the years. Cindy you have been proven wrong on every claim you have ever made, from day one. From the time you declared that HLA not having a nurse was in line with the majority of public schools in Georgia, when you claimed we didnt have anyone inside HLA leaking us information, when you claimed there were only 10,000 psychologist in the US, when you claimed that 60 kids per week are dying in public schools. When you claimed that no kid has ever been abused in a PTS facility, to all the numerous recent deaths within the PTS youre still too stupid to accept. To thinking you know my name or something about me, to believing every other poster who told you to fuck off was me.
You have never been right Cindy. You're only leaving now because its finally dawning on you that what I said, about how you help our cause, is correct. For that, I thank you. You've shown countless parents exactly what kind of sociopath theyre being asked to leave their children with. Someone who laughs and dismisses kids abuses and deaths. Someone who is hated by his own family. If it wasnt to a bigger douche bag it'd be sad. The truth is Cindy, that it is you who cannot accept respondsibility for anything in your life, from why your daddy still hates you and had to bail you out so many times, to why your daughter hates you, to why your wife fucks other men, its because you can't consider the notion that you are ever wrong or make a mistake, or accept reality for what it is. You truly are psychotic and belong in one of these places. Take care of yourself Alan, eventually you'll have to pay people to do it.
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To everyone else, I apologize for the delay. I have been out of town and forgot about the auction. I have messaged Psy and Ginger with my condition, I will let them decide if it can be met. If it can I will pay the 85 right away, if not we can go back to open bidding and wait for Cindy to show up again under a new user name.
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Oh Cindy, are you really so stuck on me still that you my abscence for even a few days sends you into a destructive tail spin? I told you Alan, I'm not into dudes, you just have to accept it and know that you'll meet a nice boy someday. Do you really crave my attention so badly that any person who puts you in your place you automatically declare to be me? I told you Alan I dont play the same games you do (including your man on man wrestling matches) when I post on here I do so under my own screen name. I'm not a coward like you, I can own up to and stand behind my comments. I don't need to constantly back peddal as you do.
I must say though I am glad to see that you haven't changed much over the years. Cindy you have been proven wrong on every claim you have ever made, from day one. From the time you declared that HLA not having a nurse was in line with the majority of public schools in Georgia, when you claimed we didnt have anyone inside HLA leaking us information, when you claimed there were only 10,000 psychologist in the US, when you claimed that 60 kids per week are dying in public schools. When you claimed that no kid has ever been abused in a PTS facility, to all the numerous recent deaths within the PTS youre still too stupid to accept. To thinking you know my name or something about me, to believing every other poster who told you to fuck off was me.
You have never been right Cindy. You're only leaving now because its finally dawning on you that what I said, about how you help our cause, is correct. For that, I thank you. You've shown countless parents exactly what kind of sociopath theyre being asked to leave their children with. Someone who laughs and dismisses kids abuses and deaths. Someone who is hated by his own family. If it wasnt to a bigger douche bag it'd be sad. The truth is Cindy, that it is you who cannot accept respondsibility for anything in your life, from why your daddy still hates you and had to bail you out so many times, to why your daughter hates you, to why your wife fucks other men, its because you can't consider the notion that you are ever wrong or make a mistake, or accept reality for what it is. You truly are psychotic and belong in one of these places. Take care of yourself Alan, eventually you'll have to pay people to do it.
Thats the most I have ever seen Bruce write!! I thought if the "who" shamed him enough he would come back. But I still dont believe he will pay up. Anyone can come up with an impossible condition to get out of paying, wonder why it took him so long to think of one?
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Thats the most I have ever seen Bruce write!! I thought if the "who" shamed him enough he would come back. But I still dont believe he will pay up. Anyone can come up with an impossible condition to get out of paying, wonder why it took him so long to think of one?
RobertBruce has always had a hard on for thewho. He was like thewhos personal troll, use to follow him from thread to thread. It use to be fun to watch but gets old real quick. I dont hink he intends to pay.
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Does he now? Like I said, only cowards have to hide and play games.
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Does he now? Like I said, only cowards have to hide and play games.
Hey, Payup before you get lost again, troll boy.
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To everyone else, I apologize for the delay. I have been out of town and forgot about the auction. I have messaged Psy and Ginger with my condition, I will let them decide if it can be met. If it can I will pay the 85 right away, if not we can go back to open bidding and wait for Cindy to show up again under a new user name.
Condition denied. Absolutely not.
Bidding at 80 dollars. do I hear 85?
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To everyone else, I apologize for the delay. I have been out of town and forgot about the auction. I have messaged Psy and Ginger with my condition, I will let them decide if it can be met. If it can I will pay the 85 right away, if not we can go back to open bidding and wait for Cindy to show up again under a new user name.
Condition denied. Absolutely not.
Bidding at 80 dollars. do I hear 85?
Why dont you post it on the open forum like you did my post so we can all read it? Why the secrecy?
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To everyone else, I apologize for the delay. I have been out of town and forgot about the auction. I have messaged Psy and Ginger with my condition, I will let them decide if it can be met. If it can I will pay the 85 right away, if not we can go back to open bidding and wait for Cindy to show up again under a new user name.
Condition denied. Absolutely not.
Bidding at 80 dollars. do I hear 85?
Why dont you post it on the open forum like you did my post so we can all read it? Why the secrecy?
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Because I haven't yet discussed it with Ginger (as was done in your case). I know she would reject the offer, but I don't know how she would feel about posting it on the forum. It might be easier for you to ask him, though. You could probably guess what it is, anyway, and why the response would be so emphatically, "no".
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Fair enough. I would have asked him directly initially, but his history shows him to be far short of honest and/or have any intention to engage in dialog other than disruption of the forum or derailing threads. I will give it a shot though.
@ RobertBruce, What was your condition? Why didnt you post it openly so the rest of us can read it?
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Robert Bruce's condition? He is afflicted with a life-threatening disease which requires immediate medical attention. If he doesn't get to the hospital soon, he may expire. We're not sure exactly what his condition is per se, but we do know it's nothing to be trifled with.
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Robert Bruce's condition? He is afflicted with a life-threatening disease which requires immediate medical attention. If he doesn't get to the hospital soon, he may expire. We're not sure exactly what his condition is per se, but we do know it's nothing to be trifled with.
Did he indicate he is covered by insurance? Is it on the DSM-IV list?
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I'm not sure.
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He probably asked to have every single one of the whooter's posts deleted.
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Fair enough. I would have asked him directly initially, but his history shows him to be far short of honest and/or have any intention to engage in dialog other than disruption of the forum or derailing threads. I will give it a shot though.
@ RobertBruce, What was your condition? Why didnt you post it openly so the rest of us can read it?
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Oh Cindy, it's funny how you routinely lie about things or attempt to alter your previous posts, you hide behind multiple screen names in order to try and attack people from the shadows, you refuse to acknowledge facts no matter how blatent, and are incapable of admitting when wrong. You routinely attack survivors and belittle or dismiss their stories, you refuse to answer any questions that damage your already nonsensical logic, and you unendingly spam the boards.
I meanwhile aside from identity related issues which have no bearing, answer all questions put to me, bring up valid points, am honest in my attacks and can acknowledge when wrong, am open minded to varying view points and willing to consider the respectful arguments of others, and I have never attacked a survivor.
You're just bitter because I've destroyed so many of your tired arguments and proven you wrong time and time again, and that your man love for me will forever remain unrequited.
To answer your question Cindy, my condition was that your PM's remain intact. Do you remember a little over a year ago when you spoke with an HLA employee who gave you information on who they think I am, and what they believe they know about me and incured several violations of HIPPA laws? Do you remember how funny you thought that was, and how you had no problem not only accepting the information, but then believing you had something over my head? Do you remember then about a month later when you got so upset because Deb and others were posting information about PTS employees and proving how unqualified these people were? Do you remember how you claimed that wasn't a double standard due to the fact that you're an idiot. Well I'm interested to know the name of that employee. Psy has made it clear this is neither possible to ensure to anything he is willing to commit to. You however could solve that problem.
So how about it Cindy. I answered your question, you answer mine. What was the name of the person? Provide that single message and the name and I'll pay the 85 right away.
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He probably asked to have every single one of the whooter's posts deleted.
:D :D I imagine that would take some time! <LAUGH>
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He probably asked to have every single one of the whooter's posts deleted.
:D :D I imagine that would take some time! <LAUGH>
Actually, it would only take a click of a few buttons, and RB is well within his rights (barring Ginger overruling) to request it be done if he buys (and hence owns) the posts. Personally, i'd like the posts to remain as it documents a master spinster in action, but whoever ends up owning his account will have the ultimate say in the matter.
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To answer your question Cindy, my condition was that your PM's remain intact.
The condition of his pm box is really up to the whooter. If he chooses to delete all his private messages before handing it over that is his business. I don't see how that has anything to do with Psy or Ginger. They can't force him to not delete his private messages as they are his private messages to begin with.
You are asking a condition of them which isn't theirs to give.
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I am still very concerned about Robert Bruce's condition.
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Oh Cindy, it's funny how you routinely lie about things or attempt to alter your previous posts,
[citation needed]
you hide behind multiple screen names in order to try and attack people from the shadows,
you are the troll, Deven, remember?
you refuse to acknowledge facts no matter how blatent
That’s a hollow attack, you have never provided any, how could I.
, and are incapable of admitting when wrong.
I have never been put in that position by you, keep trying.
You routinely attack survivors and belittle or dismiss their stories,
Not if they are telling the truth. If you are referring to yourself you are correct.
you refuse to answer any questions that damage your already nonsensical logic, and you unendingly spam the boards.
I have never refused to answer a question put to me. You seem to have difficulty with the truth.
I meanwhile aside from identity related issues which have no bearing
Then why bring it up then?
I answer all questions put to me, bring up valid points, am honest in my attacks and can acknowledge when wrong, am open minded to varying view points and willing to consider the respectful arguments of others, and I have never attacked a survivor.
Okay, thank you Deven, you seem like just the type of guy we are looking for and I think you might fit in here very well if you can find some suitable clothes. We will start you off at $400 a week. Do you have your own transportation?
You're just bitter because I've destroyed so many of your tired arguments and proven you wrong time and time again, and that your man love for me will forever remain unrequited.
Yes, I think one of us is bitter, we can agree here. The man love thing you should try to save for your therapy sessions.
To answer your question Cindy, my condition was that your PM's remain intact. Do you remember a little over a year ago when you spoke with an HLA employee who gave you information on who they think I am, and what they believe they know about me and incured several violations of HIPPA laws?
The troll who said you sit around in your bathrobe all day long while your wife works? None of it was true, you said so yourself. We had this discussion already. Besides how would staff know this unless you invite them over?
Do you remember how funny you thought that was,
Yes, I still find it funny, now that you bring it up.
and how you had no problem not only accepting the information, but then believing you had something over my head?
Yes, sort of like thinking you know who I am and my ip address and threatening to release it on the web. I am sure everyone finds humor in different ways.
Do you remember then about a month later when you got so upset because Deb and others were posting information about PTS employees and proving how unqualified these people were?
Refresh my memory, what does PTS stand for? I was upset when she posted kids pictures on the web and made fun of their family, hobbies and career aspirations. Just because someone wants a career helping other kids doesn’t give other people the right to flood the web with their photographs. I had an issue with this, yes.
Do you remember how you claimed that wasn't a double standard due to the fact that you're an idiot.
If I were an idiot I would not be able to grasp the full definition of double standard but you seem to be struggling in this area.
Well I'm interested to know the name of that employee.
If he knows you sit around in your robe all day then you must have let him into your home. You should know him, if he exists, I don’t. I think you were trolled by one of your own.
Psy has made it clear this is neither possible to ensure to anything he is willing to commit to. You however could solve that problem. So how about it Cindy. I answered your question, you answer mine. What was the name of the person? Provide that single message and the name and I'll pay the 85 right away.
You are welcome to my account, as it is today. I don’t have a problem with my private messages or what I have said in private, I had thousands of private messages and many private things were said. I trusted the account to be secure at the time I wrote those messages. So I would need to review each one and contact the sender/receiver to get their permission to release them. It just wouldn’t be fair. I can assure you that no one gave me information on anyone else from staff or in violation of HIPPA laws.
Psy was right, good point TSW, releasing my private messages would not be fair to all the other people that contacted me in confidence. They were not written on the forum for various reason, many for the same reason you didn’t post your condition on the forum initially. I don’t have the authority to hand those over to you, so my hands are tied on that one.
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You are welcome to my account, as it is today.
Still want it, RB? You do have the highest bid. Dump the 85 bucks in to the dreamhost donation account (http://http://www.dreamhost.com/donate.cgi?id=10300), let me know you did it, and you can have the account right now, as is.
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TheWho no longer owns his account?
I just came! :D
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Is bidding still open? I'll donate $85 today if I can still get in on the bidding.
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You are welcome to my account, as it is today.
Still want it, RB? You do have the highest bid. Dump the 85 bucks in to the dreamhost donation account (http://http://www.dreamhost.com/donate.cgi?id=10300), let me know you did it, and you can have the account right now, as is.
Wait a minute, I never thought this would really happen. Is it too late to pull out? What the hell am I going to do all day?
Can we agree that if I have something to say or it is obvious that someone is totally anti-program (for no reason) and I have the urge to straighten them out that the winner will let me log in once in awhile?
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Is bidding still open? I'll donate $85 today if I can still get in on the bidding.
Yeah. Bidding is still open, unless RB decides to pay. Shall I put you down as 85, and if so, who is this bidding from, if I may ask?
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You know that feeling when you have decided to quit smoking for the 3rd time and you leave the store without any smokes, there are none in the car or at home and you realize that you are going home for the night? That reality that sets in? You leave the store at 8:30 but you look in your review mirror to double check that the store is still open till 11:00. Isnt that an indication that you haven’t fully committed? That you are leaving the door open to possibilities like you get a disturbing phone call and you need to know you have access to a cigarette just in case you need it?
That is how I am feeling, it is not a good feeling.
Maybe we can have the auction next Monday, you know, fresh week after everyone is relaxed from the weekend.
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Is bidding still open? I'll donate $85 today if I can still get in on the bidding.
Yeah. Bidding is still open, unless RB decides to pay. Shall I put you down as 85, and if so, who is this bidding from, if I may ask?
Put me down for $85. If I win I'll donate the money then PM you for the password. I'd prefer to remain anonymous for the time being.
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Last post was me. I went ahead and signed in to prevent my bid getting mixed up with anyone else's. I'll go ahead and up it to $90 to clear RB's bid.
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You are welcome to my account, as it is today.
Still want it, RB? You do have the highest bid. Dump the 85 bucks in to the dreamhost donation account (http://http://www.dreamhost.com/donate.cgi?id=10300), let me know you did it, and you can have the account right now, as is.
Wait a minute, I never thought this would really happen. Is it too late to pull out?
Yes. You made an offer. Bidding has started. It's not fair to those who have already bid.
What the hell am I going to do all day?
Annoy those closest to you, most likely. Try not to get another black eye.
Can we agree that if I have something to say or it is obvious that someone is totally anti-program (for no reason) and I have the urge to straighten them out that the winner will let me log in once in awhile?
That would be up to whoever ends up with your account.
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Last post was me. I went ahead and signed in to prevent my bid getting mixed up with anyone else's. I'll go ahead and up it to $90 to clear RB's bid.
Ok. I hear 90. Do I hear 95?
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Is bidding still open? I'll donate $85 today if I can still get in on the bidding.
Yeah. Bidding is still open, unless RB decides to pay. Shall I put you down as 85, and if so, who is this bidding from, if I may ask?
Put me down for $85. If I win I'll donate the money then PM you for the password. I'd prefer to remain anonymous for the time being.
Not a problem at all. I was worried about exactly what you cleared up by registering (confusion).
I hear 90. Do I hear 95?
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You know that feeling when you have decided to quit smoking for the 3rd time and you leave the store without any smokes, there are none in the car or at home and you realize that you are going home for the night? That reality that sets in? You leave the store at 8:30 but you look in your review mirror to double check that the store is still open till 11:00. Isnt that an indication that you haven’t fully committed? That you are leaving the door open to possibilities like you get a disturbing phone call and you need to know you have access to a cigarette just in case you need it?
That is how I am feeling, it is not a good feeling.
Maybe we can have the auction next Monday, you know, fresh week after everyone is relaxed from the weekend.
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GO SLIDE DOWN A 20' RAZOR BLADE, LITTLE MAN!
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GO SLIDE DOWN A 20' RAZOR BLADE, LITTLE MAN!
Since you are not logged in I don’t enjoy the same advantage that you have of knowing me, although, by your comment I can conclude that we have never been intimate.
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GO SLIDE DOWN A 20' RAZOR BLADE, LITTLE MAN!
Since you are not logged in I don’t enjoy the same advantage that you have of knowing me, although, by your comment I can conclude that we have never been intimate.
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I HAVE NO LOG IN AND NO LOVE FOR YOU. BITCH.
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I HAVE NO LOG IN AND NO LOVE FOR YOU. BITCH.
Whoa, thank you. I was worried for a minute there.
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Yeah that'd be a freaky date for sure.
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I highly doubt Robert Bruce is going to pay up. The guy promised to mail me a DVD to my friends work, and he never did. That was like 2+ years ago!!!!!! It would have cost him what? A couple stamps?!!! He couldn't even scrounge that up. BTW, I don't give permission to post any of the Who's, and I's communications. But, that probably doesn't matter, now does it!?!!
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I highly doubt Robert Bruce is going to pay up. The guy promised to mail me a DVD to my friends work, and he never did. That was like 2+ years ago!!!!!! It would have cost him what? A couple stamps?!!! He couldn't even scrounge that up. BTW, I don't give permission to post any of the Who's, and I's communications. But, that probably doesn't matter, now does it!?!!
The contents of the whooter's pm box is his property not yours. If you don't want your private messages displayed in a public manner you better hope the whooter is decent enough to delete them all.
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I highly doubt Robert Bruce is going to pay up. The guy promised to mail me a DVD to my friends work, and he never did. That was like 2+ years ago!!!!!! It would have cost him what? A couple stamps?!!! He couldn't even scrounge that up. BTW, I don't give permission to post any of the Who's, and I's communications. But, that probably doesn't matter, now does it!?!!
The contents of the whooter's pm box is his property not yours. If you don't want your private messages displayed in a public manner you better hope the whooter is decent enough to delete them all.
Basically, this. If he decides not to... Well: Shouldn't have PMed him stuff you wouldn't want in public then.
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I highly doubt Robert Bruce is going to pay up. The guy promised to mail me a DVD to my friends work, and he never did. That was like 2+ years ago!!!!!! It would have cost him what? A couple stamps?!!! He couldn't even scrounge that up. BTW, I don't give permission to post any of the Who's, and I's communications. But, that probably doesn't matter, now does it!?!!
I WOULD LOVE TO SEE THE CONTENTS OF THOSE COMMUNIQUES. IT WOULD REVEAL THE LEVEL OF DECEIT AND COLLUSION THE TWO OF YOU ENGAGE IN.
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Oh, it's pretty exciting stuff! I'm pretty nervous. Oh well, it is what it is.
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I'd rather not, but if we must be subjected to yet another round of CCM Girl/Wootie bullshit I suggest they be posted on http://www.4chan.org (http://www.4chan.org) for epic lulz. Best place ever for that sort of discussion.
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I highly doubt Robert Bruce is going to pay up. The guy promised to mail me a DVD to my friends work, and he never did. That was like 2+ years ago!!!!!! It would have cost him what? A couple stamps?!!! He couldn't even scrounge that up. BTW, I don't give permission to post any of the Who's, and I's communications. But, that probably doesn't matter, now does it!?!!
Thats why I thought it was so funny when he posted it. I think he must had been drunk!! I knew there was no way he was going to pay. When he took off for 4 days I knew he was struggling to find an excuse not to pay and finally came back with a way (he thought) to save face. This whole thing was worth it just to see him squirm like that. I am going to miss my private troll.
There are a ton of PM’s and I don’t think anyone would want to spend their time sifting thru them. There is no way to delete them all at once and it would take me hours to do them one at a time. I trust that the person who wins will do the right thing and just ask psy to do a complete delete so that the new owner can start fresh.
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You can delete all your private messages at once very easily. Click on check all then delete marked, it takes only a couple seconds. I suspect the new owner will find an empty PM box, and TheWho having reinvented himself as The Who.
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You can delete all your private messages at once very easily. Click on check all then delete marked, it takes only a couple seconds. I suspect the new owner will find an empty PM box, and TheWho having reinvented himself as The Who.
that only deletes a page at a time, afaik.
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Last post was me. I went ahead and signed in to prevent my bid getting mixed up with anyone else's. I'll go ahead and up it to $90 to clear RB's bid.
Ok. I hear 90. Do I hear 95?
Ok. I hear 90. Do I hear 95?
Going once to the anonymosu bidder for 90 dollars.
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You can delete all your private messages at once very easily. Click on check all then delete marked, it takes only a couple seconds. I suspect the new owner will find an empty PM box, and TheWho having reinvented himself as The Who.
I think that only deletes one page, which is like 10 pm's.
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TheWho said: "There is no way to delete them all at once and it would take me hours to do them one at a time."
TheWho said you had to delete them one at time, individually. I was correcting his misstatement.
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You fucking loser guests care way too much about this shit.
Pity you waste your lives speculating about TheWho's PMs.
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4/10
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nah.. 2/10 at best.
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Oh well, I tried. :D
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all I have to say is, I can't believe anyone has ever actually become upset over something a person from Newton, MA had to say...
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I may be able to match all or part of what you raise off the endeavor also.
Is TheWho going to really match the winning bid like he said he would? I notice he included the word "may" which makes it very unlikely. :blabla:
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I can't believe anyone has ever actually become upset over something a person from Newton, MA had to say...
:D Well apparently Horton the elephant and a handful of guests are concerned about it. ::evil:: :D
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I don't get the point of this. He'll come back in anon form...with all of his 4 years of compulsive insanity no longer logged. Guess it doesn't matter either way.
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Oh, it's pretty exciting stuff! I'm pretty nervous. Oh well, it is what it is.
I don’t get why you post here. If a psycho moderator outed, threatened, and harassed me I’d skedaddle, and phone an attorney. You deserve better, friend.
If you need closure, whatever, try posting on c.a.f.e.t.y. . Its two degrees deader than here, but 3 degrees less malevolent.
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psycho moderator
:D :D :D
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What''s the matter Cindy? Do you need one more kick in the teeth before you final swan song? For old times sake, why not?
[citation needed]
Remember the first time you got booted off the board? Why was that? Oh that's right, it was because you were spamming the boards with your altered posts. Remember you made fun of the kid who talked about being duct taped and tossed in the ocean. Someone made a comment how disgusting you were and you decided to repost the comment several times over and altered it to make it appear as if I had been making fun of the survivor, then you reposted it dozens of times over. No one bought it and Ginger banned you.
you are the troll, Deven, remember?
Am I now? Here's your definition of a troll Alan.
When I heard people use this here I always thought it was given to people who were causing trouble or just interested in disrupting the conversation for fun. I never knew it meant posters who went against the group speak or spoke against a majority. If this is the case then I guess I would be considered a troll here on fornits
While I am by no means in the minority on fornits since we are right and you are wrong, I have no doubt that due to the numerous voices in your head you believe without a doubt that you are in the majority.
That’s a hollow attack, you have never provided any, how could I.
Was it just two weeks ago now I debunked your claim that 60 kids per week were dying in public schools? Just because you refused to acknowledge you'd been proven wrong again by no means changed the fact that indeed were wrong.
I have never been put in that position by you, keep trying.
See the afore mentioned post. In addition do you remember the time you claimed I was lying about the restriction diet at HLA, followed up shortly by you being proven wrong. Also does me proving you wrong right here count? Add that to the list among many others not mentioned.
Not if they are telling the truth. If you are referring to yourself you are correct.
Oh but Cindy, don't you remember when you claimed that you believed less than 1% of all abuse stories to be true. You later changed it to zero. In addition I have never lied about my expereinces at HLA, and I was abused, so I suppose then you have attacked survivors. What insight do you believe you have to know whether I and others are telling the truth? What about your daughters claims of being abused?
I have never refused to answer a question put to me. You seem to have difficulty with the truth.
Please by all means Cindy, post what you believe I have lied about and provide a basis for your accusations. In the meantime if I give you a list of unanswered questions would you have any problem answering them?
Then why bring it up then?
To be honest. A trait you are unfamiliar with.
Okay, thank you Deven, you seem like just the type of guy we are looking for and I think you might fit in here very well if you can find some suitable clothes. We will start you off at $400 a week. Do you have your own transportation?
Yep. However, my clothes are fine and I'm not willing to take that drastic a pay cut. Plus I hear a number of your employees are extremely disgruntled due to poor working conditions. Please look else where.
Yes, I think one of us is bitter, we can agree here. The man love thing you should try to save for your therapy sessions.
What would I have to be bitter over? I'm not actually in therapy Cindy, as I do not need it. I would say I havent been in it since HLA, but that mental circle jerk they practice in the PTS that you so readily perscribe to doesnt count, as it benefits no one.
The troll who said you sit around in your bathrobe all day long while your wife works? None of it was true, you said so yourself. We had this discussion already. Besides how would staff know this unless you invite them over?
Oh I didnt say they were correct in any of their assessments, I simply said they made them. Now just for clarification purposes are you refering to your friend by your definition of a troll or the correct one everyone else uses?
Yes, I still find it funny, now that you bring it up.
You find you being proven wrong funny? Interesting so do most people on here. I guess we all have something in common afterall. The other things that interesting is how you still cried and cried over unqualifed hacks having their pictures and hobbies posted, while you have issue whatsoever believing you are posting information about a survivor of one of these places.
Yes, sort of like thinking you know who I am and my ip address and threatening to release it on the web. I am sure everyone finds humor in different ways.
Cindy I understand you are obsessed with me, but you have to accept something. Not every person who shuts you up is me. Anyone with half a brain can see what an absolute dipshit you are, and they all call you on your nonsense. You've got to get over this idea that anytime you feel like someone is out to get you its automatically me.
Refresh my memory, what does PTS stand for? I was upset when she posted kids pictures on the web and made fun of their family, hobbies and career aspirations. Just because someone wants a career helping other kids doesn’t give other people the right to flood the web with their photographs. I had an issue with this, yes.
Private Theraputic Sector. What makes you think any of those people were remotely interested in helping kids? Zero evidence has ever been shown that these places do. Further again, why did you take issue when staff was involved but think its funny when it concerns a former student?
If I were an idiot I would not be able to grasp the full definition of double standard but you seem to be struggling in this area.
Not at all, it is you who still fails to grasp that it is in fact a double standard. Thus it is you apparently who is the idiot. See?
If he knows you sit around in your robe all day then you must have let him into your home. You should know him, if he exists, I don’t. I think you were trolled by one of your own.
Again Cindy, I didnt say he was correct. This was your friend Cindy, how do you not know him, or are you having trouble with that honesty issue we discussed earlier? How can you forget all your PM's with your friend Function Junction? Why not just post those PM's? Remember he claimed that they had discovered in HLA I was gay? You later lied and pretended I had made such a claim, but that's of little concern at present other than to further soldify you being a liar. Remember how you pretended you had some big secret you could lord over me? Remember how I didnt care and your secret fell flat as it had no basis? It all started from your conversations with Function Junction through PM. Post them coward.
You are welcome to my account, as it is today. I don’t have a problem with my private messages or what I have said in private, I had thousands of private messages and many private things were said. I trusted the account to be secure at the time I wrote those messages. So I would need to review each one and contact the sender/receiver to get their permission to release them. It just wouldn’t be fair. I can assure you that no one gave me information on anyone else from staff or in violation of HIPPA laws.
Psy was right, good point TSW, releasing my private messages would not be fair to all the other people that contacted me in confidence. They were not written on the forum for various reason, many for the same reason you didn’t post your condition on the forum initially. I don’t have the authority to hand those over to you, so my hands are tied on that one.
Releasing information about a former student to a stranger isnt a violation of HIPPA laws? Cindy are you even familiar with what they are? The fact that they have the wrong person and incorrect information makes no difference. Post those PM's and tell us his name and I'll buy it as is. Further some of us were interested to know if youd be willing to link all your guest and hidden postings before you leave? Just to expose all the times you were playing games that we dont know about already. How about it Cindy?
When he took off for 4 days I knew he was struggling to find an excuse not to pay and finally came back with a way (he thought) to save face. This whole thing was worth it just to see him squirm like that. I am going to miss my private troll.
You mean like the time you disappeared for eight months and claimed you had gone to Russia, all because you had been proven wrong and shamed so many times. I went out of town for a few days Cindy, I mentioned my conditions before the bidding closed to avoid this issue but then forgot about it. I have apologized to Psy for the inconvience. If you can meet my conditions I'll pay up right now. But you wont because youre a coward. In the meantime I thought your comments about squirming were funny considering this from you:
Wait a minute, I never thought this would really happen. Is it too late to pull out? What the hell am I going to do all day?
Can we agree that if I have something to say or it is obvious that someone is totally anti-program (for no reason) and I have the urge to straighten them out that the winner will let me log in once in awhile?
No one actually believes you'll stay gone Cindy so dont worry too much. After all it wasnt so long ago you gave your "word of honor" not to come back, yet here you are. Youre a liar and a coward and your word is meaningless and a joke.
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I'm beginning to reconsider the RB = Who assertion that someone made on here. At first it seemed almost plausible, but...
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Geesh Bruce, get it all out!! Time is short!! Ha,Ha,Ha You will need to find another person to troll in a bit. That is way too long for me; I have a very short attention span and only made it to the third or fourth paragraph, but it sounded desperate and I know your heart was in it, so I do appreciate your time and effort.
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Dam this is like the readers digest version of thewho thread. I can see how it got to be over 3,000 posts. Rock on brothers O0
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Deven from HLA wrote:
....Further some of us were interested to know if youd be willing to link all your guest and hidden postings before you leave?
The winner can have this done. Just PM them after the bidding is over or just up the bid and take it over yourself. I am sure psy would accommodate the winner.
@ psy: congrats on your own personal victory... Red Auerbach (http://http://static.flickr.com/115/283610117_6233ea1112_o.jpg) loved to win, it was all in his victory cigar after each Celtic win. You gastta love the subtlety and pure enjoyment of knowing you won.
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The winner can have this done. Just PM them after the bidding is over or just up the bid and take it over yourself. I am sure psy would accommodate the winner.
Nope. The posts are linked through your ip address not your user name. Just having your account would not allow the post to be linked.
So then the question remains, how about it Alan? Okay to link up all your post?
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The winner can have this done. Just PM them after the bidding is over or just up the bid and take it over yourself. I am sure psy would accommodate the winner.
Nope. The posts are linked through your ip address not your user name. Just having your account would not allow the post to be linked.
So then the question remains, how about it Alan? Okay to link up all your post?
that would be interesting. but pretty sure who would hide his ip, right?
also, his pms could easily be altered just to scew with you, so I wouldn't put that much faith in them, anyway.
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Linking the posts would alter (increase) the number of posts under Thewho name. The new owner may or may not want this done. Ask psy or the new owner after I hand it over, I don’t want to get involved in all of that now.
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Why would anyone care about increasing the number of your posts? None of them ever had anything meaningful to say. You're still nothing more than a sad little coward. You played all sorts of games from the shadows where you thought you'd be safe and now youre afraid to be exposed.
Come on Cindy, what do you have to hide? Allow Psy to link up your postings according to your ip address.
Psy can this be done once he pretends to leave?
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Could this really be TheWho talking to himself?
Nah, methinks not likely....
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Deven from HLA wrote:
Why would anyone care about increasing the number of your posts?
I don’t know, why don’t you ask the new owner of the account when they win it? I heard that they might want it “as is”.
How was the staff at HLA suppose to know that having me move a wood pile would enrage me to the point of crying all over the web and calling it abuse?
They had no idea, Deven, everyone reacts differently. They thought it would build character in you but as we all know... oh, never mind.
None of them ever had anything meaningful to say. You're still nothing more than a sad little coward. You played all sorts of games from the shadows where you thought you'd be safe and now youre afraid to be exposed.
Aw Shucks poor little guy is not going to have anyone to troll anymore, sorry Deven.
I only lasted about 3 weeks at HLA but I like to play it up like I attended along with all the others
Most of us who have read here long enough know that. You are a special case, that is why we all like you so much. Sort of like a mascot, someone has to fill the slot. We still consider you a survivor so dont sweat it.
Come on Cindy, what do you have to hide? Allow Psy to link up your postings according to your ip address.
Psy can this be done once he pretends to leave?
That privilege goes to the highest bidder, if it means that much to you just bid a little higher, if it becomes a condition of the sale we can talk.
Cindy, Can I email you after the bidding is over so we can at least stay in touch?
On a sadder note......Deven, I am sorry to have to tell you that I am cutting you loose after this post. You will have to release your rage on the new TheWho or someone else from now on, I will not be responding to you anymore. Oh, Good luck with the job search.
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Most of us who have read here long enough know that. You are a special case, that is why we all like you so much. Sort of like a mascot, someone has to fill the slot. We still consider you a survivor so dont sweat it.
We, we, we. Identify the individuals you're speaking for or drop the Royal "we". You lonely sad shut in. Did your boss at Webvocates transfer you to another $7 an hour trolling assignment? Mother of God, I hope your next trolling gig is Sarah Palin. That would be putting your relentless annoyingly flat posting style to good use.
I just posted,
to say,
"fuck you",
And I mean it,
from the bottom of my bowels.
Shit on you and anyone who looks like you, spamming infidel. It is odd that you are leaving so close to the end of the Bush regime.
Could it be?
Fuck. You're Dick Cheney. It should have been obvious all along. Your daughter is gay and you sent her to ASR for a "cure" that (no surprise) was futile. Intolerant douche nozzle. They should throw your dinosaur ass into the La Brea tar pits after the Black man is chosen by the majority to clean up your corruption. You ofey honkie cracker bitch.
Yrs. in deep disgust,
Abu Zalot
Son of Mustaph Al Kahal.
Most Righteous Ripped Teacher and Honored Red Eyed Prophet of Allah.
Peace Be Upon Him.
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How can you guys waste SO MUCH time and energy on anyboby that's on a internet board??
I can't understand that at all.
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Alan of Newton Mass wrote:
Deven, please just let me leave quietly. I can't handle being proven wrong again. I promise I'll really go this time. Double scouts honor.
Sorry Cindy, but you've already shown yourself to be a liar, and you have no credibility despite your obsession with it. You will continue to be held accountable until you leave tail tucked between your legs.
I don't understand why people won't accept what I say at face value, after all I took a tour of ASR that lasted close to a half an hour. If that doesnt make me an expert on the entire field then nothing else will.
I've been telling you for years Cindy, you know nothing about this industry, yet you proceeded to talk out of your ass pretending otherwise. Dont get upset for people calling you on it now.
Are you honestly going to sit there and tell me you havent found some of these abuse stories to be as hilarious as I have? Don't tell her but when my daughter would call me to whine and bitch about getting slapped around a little bit at ASR I seriously had to hold a pillow over my face to stiffle my laughter. Besides i've said this many times, its not like any of it ever happened to these little bastards anyway, and if it did, it was only because they deserved it.
No Cindy, I've never found kids being abused to be funny, and none of these kids have any reason to lie as the entire PTS is abusive. Every program. You getting abused by us on the other hand, now thats funny.
So listen, since I'm leaving anyway, can't you just let me have this troll thing? I seriously had a lot of fun arguing with myself pretending to be you, wasting bandwith. What's the harm really?
I'm sure you did have fun Cindy, however the only person who was stupid enough to actually buy it was CCM girl. If it makes you feel better have it though. I imagine for you its sort of like playing checkers with yourself just so you can win for once. It was funny though how even when you pretended to be me, you still somehow lost. Sorry Cindy, you just aren't interesting enough for me to troll, I'm too busy actually contributing something on here, and making lives better for these kids. You wouldnt know what thats like but you should try it sometime.
Hey do you think Psy would be willing to make my numbers a sticky post? A lot of people have asked me for them?
I doubt it Cindy, no one has ever asked you for them as no one believes them. As has been proven to you on countless occasions a great deal more kids were killed in the PTS then you'd like to pretend. People have given up trying to educate you, as at this point it just doesnt seem possible.
So do you want to hear a secret? The real reason I'm leaving the board is because my daddy over at Bain Capital won't pay my proxy account bill anymore. Stupid dick! I hate him.
Times are tight Cindy, I would have thought your dad would be better off though with that bailout package that just passed.
So are you sure you dont want a job?
I told you Cindy, I already have one I enjoy very much. Besides when your factory workers are calling the INS on themselves, it suggests theres a problem.
Hey can you stop bringing up all the questions I never answered, Im worried about my street cred. Also do you think my wife is telling the truth when she says she and the gardner are just friends, and that she sleeps at his house for nocturnal plants? And are you sure you're not into dudes? I live in Mass for a reason you know?
No. Sure she is, and sorry Cindy, just not my thing.
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As funny and accurate as that was, destroying Cindy using his legitimate quotes is even better. Better still is the fact that Cindy for all his talk cannot respond to legitimate quotes nor can he answer a few questions. Always the coward Cindy.
I don’t know, why don’t you ask the new owner of the account when they win it? I heard that they might want it “as is”.
I would imagine they'd want the full picture. You want to know all the hidden features when your daddy buys you a car dont you Cindy? So really what are you afraid of? Tell Psy he can link your posts.
They had no idea, Deven, everyone reacts differently. They thought it would build character in you but as we all know... oh, never mind.
Now Cindy, how would you know what forms of abuse go on at HLA, youve never set foot there.
Aw Shucks poor little guy is not going to have anyone to troll anymore, sorry Deven.
Oh its quite allright Alan. Now are we using your definition of a troll or the correct one? In this instance it seems more that you mean me holding someone accountable. In that case since youll still post from the shadows I have no doubt are banter and your unrequited love will continue. If not I'll just tear apart the retard who replaces you the same as I have with you.
Most of us who have read here long enough know that. You are a special case, that is why we all like you so much. Sort of like a mascot, someone has to fill the slot. We still consider you a survivor so dont sweat it.
Three weeks? What gave you that idea Alan? Ohhhh...you've been talking to Function Junction again havent you? Did you invite him over to your house again? I keep telling you those child abusers have the wrong guy, but no matter. So you are then affirming for us that an employee of HLA has broken HIPPA laws and released confidential information about a former student. Please tell us his name and contact information Cindy, it needs to be passed along to the GAO immediatly. As to mascots, I guess its a toss up between you and Sue as to who better represents the child abusing industry better. Keep working those votes Cindy, and youll be a shoe in!
That privilege goes to the highest bidder, if it means that much to you just bid a little higher, if it becomes a condition of the sale we can talk.
Not at all Cindy. Psy once he pretends to leave can it still be done with the new owners permission just by comparing ip addresses?
On a sadder note......Deven, I am sorry to have to tell you that I am cutting you loose after this post. You will have to release your rage on the new TheWho or someone else from now on, I will not be responding to you anymore. Oh, Good luck with the job search.
Good luck in your dealing with the coyotes, they can be ruthless and slave labor from across the border can be expensive. Now since youve always been too afraid to answer my questions anyway Im not sure what the difference will be. Youll still be here just posting under a different name, the same tired bullshit which I and others will prove wrong time and again. Youll still be too much of a coward and far too stupid to ever recognize it, and very little will change. If I get busy and youre still here your obsession with me will lend you to having make believe conversations with me again in a Norman and Mrs. Bates type fashion. Soooo I guess what were left with is that I'll see you soon.
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We, we, we. Identify the individuals you're speaking for or drop the Royal "we". You lonely sad shut in.
You probably missed the discussion. The word “we” is sometimes used to refer to a whole section of society. For example if you said “We” as in reference to democrats there would not be an expectation that you name every democrat. I use it to refer to those who agree with me. This may be 1 other person or thousands depending on the discussion.
Did your boss at Webvocates transfer you to another $7 an hour trolling assignment? Mother of God, I hope your next trolling gig is Sarah Palin. That would be putting your relentless annoyingly flat posting style to good use.
That would be fun huh? "As for that VP talk all the time, I'll tell you, I still can't answer that question until somebody answers for me what is it exactly that the VP does every day?" --Sarah Palin, interview with CNBC's "Kudlow & Co", July 2008
I just posted,
to say,
"fuck you",
And I mean it,
from the bottom of my bowels.
Shit on you and anyone who looks like you, spamming infidel. It is odd that you are leaving so close to the end of the Bush regime.
Could it be?
Fuck. You're Dick Cheney. It should have been obvious all along. Your daughter is gay and you sent her to ASR for a "cure" that (no surprise) was futile. Intolerant douche nozzle. They should throw your dinosaur ass into the La Brea tar pits after the Black man is chosen by the majority to clean up your corruption. You ofey honkie cracker bitch.
Cheney responded: Look enough of those cracks, everyone knows how difficult it is for me to keep all my stories straight, let alone keeping my daughter straight Ha,Ha,Ha
When asked how important he felt the younger vote was in the upcoming election Cheney stated:
“My advisors have indicated to me that my approval rating is in the teens which I find ironic because I have difficulty relating to anyone under the age of 21.” Then went on to say regarding his office:
The constitution was intended to be massaged a little in the favor of executive powers. Everyone knows power is not given away but that it needs to be seized by the intended party. My executive power as vice president is poorly defined in the constitution and therefore I need to make the rules to fit the circumstances, we are in a Constitutional crisis at the moment. Yes I have attempted to seize the authority to override laws against surveillance and torture until after the war is over. This will give us all time to review the problem if in fact one exists. Lets not upset the apple cart until after we are done eating has always been a favorite saying of mine......
Yrs. in deep disgust,
Abu Zalot
Son of Mustaph Al Kahal.
Most Righteous Ripped Teacher and Honored Red Eyed Prophet of Allah.
Peace Be Upon Him.
Azerbaijani
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Alan of Newton Mass wrote:
Are you really THAT much of a moron??? Knock this shit off!! You're as much of a fucking attention whore as Who is.
And wasn't the Alan Newton disproven long ago?
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We, we, we. Identify the individuals you're speaking for or drop the Royal "we". You lonely sad shut in.
You probably missed the discussion. The word “we” is sometimes used to refer to a whole section of society. For example if you said “We” as in reference to democrats there would not be an expectation that you name every democrat. I use it to refer to those who agree with me. This may be 1 other person or thousands depending on the discussion.
Just shut the fuck up. "We" all know that you use that term to infer to anyone new here that you're actually participating in a logical discussion.
You might want to apply for a position with the McCain campaign if this Aspen gig doesn't work out for you. They spin as much as you and could really use your help about now. :moon:
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Are you really THAT much of a moron??? Knock this shit off!! You're as much of a fucking attention whore as Who is.
And wasn't the Alan Newton disproven long ago?
Do you consider yourself a therapist, a referee, or a psychic. Just so you know, in real time life, you're merely insufferable
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Are you really THAT much of a moron??? Knock this shit off!! You're as much of a fucking attention whore as Who is.
And wasn't the Alan Newton disproven long ago?
Do you consider yourself a therapist, a referee, or a psychic. Just so you know, in real time life, you're merely insufferable
I know....it's difficult to hear opinions different than your own. I"m so sorry. ::)
No more insufferable than RB going back and forth with Whoboy.
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Are you really THAT much of a moron??? Knock this shit off!! You're as much of a fucking attention whore as Who is.
And wasn't the Alan Newton disproven long ago?
Do you consider yourself a therapist, a referee, or a psychic. Just so you know, in real time life, you're merely insufferable
I know....it's difficult to hear opinions different than your own. I"m so sorry. ::)
No more insufferable than RB going back and forth with Whoboy.
Oh, I don’t mind Robert. And I won’t bother pointing out your absurdity for asserting your right to voice an opinion after slamming Robert for voicing his opinion because it’s too stupid.
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You probably missed the discussion. The word “we” is sometimes used to refer to a whole section of society. For example if you said “We” as in reference to democrats there would not be an expectation that you name every democrat. I use it to refer to those who agree with me. This may be 1 other person or thousands depending on the discussion.
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Wow. You are Scary and Funny at the same time… You have delusions of grandeur, are frighteningly manipulative: with a tactic to appeal to imaginary, hypothetical sympathizers reading this forum (“we”). You pathetically misapprehend the effectiveness and reach of your tactic (1000s don’t read this forum, NO ONE will be anything but discomforted by your presumption of a collective unconscience)
My guess is that you’re Lou Woodbury, the man who tortured kids at CEDU, right?
You’ve posted at least 50 times a day for 4 years repeating yourself. You’ve made unconscionable, outrageous remarks: making fun of kids who have been tortured—literally laughing at them, “ha, ha, ha,” calling kids who have been murdered “data points” whose corpses is something “we” will take into account to improve “our” services.
You sure aint’ no regular program parent.
And if you are a program parent willing to devote SO much time to your “cause” (informing people that the rendition centers survivors say tortured them are fantastic) you’d surely provide your name, for all reformists who devote so much of themselves give their name as a way of establishing their credibility, like kat Whithead, or Liam Scheff, or any of the CAFETY gang.
So, why not do the same? After all, you care so much, and are certainly not trying to your REAL identity which is not “parent,” but predator.
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Oh, I don’t mind Robert.
Good for you. He annoys the hell out of me.
And I won’t bother pointing out your absurdity for asserting your right to voice an opinion after slamming Robert for voicing his opinion because it’s too stupid.
Which is why I said "no more insufferable". I don't mind him voicing an opinion, or anyone else for that matter. That's not what is going on here though. This is a continuation of a years long pissing contest between Who and Robert Bruce. Attention whoring at its finest. We're all guilty of it from time to time, but DAMN!!!
:blabla:
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You are Scary and Funny at the same time… You have delusions of grandeur, are frighteningly manipulative: with a tactic to appeal to imaginary, hypothetical sympathizers reading this forum (“we”). You pathetically misapprehend the effectiveness and reach of your tactic (1000s don’t read this forum, NO ONE will be anything but discomforted by your presumption of a collective unconscience)
Scary and funny, thanks. 1,000 do not read this at a time. Check the bottom of the front page and it will give you the number of people who are presently logged in.
My guess is that you’re Lou Woodbury, the man who tortured kids at CEDU, right?
Someone thought I was Alan Newman, another Doc Vause, someone else Mike Ervin and now Lon Woodbury.
You’ve posted at least 50 times a day for 4 years repeating yourself. You’ve made unconscionable, outrageous remarks: making fun of kids who have been tortured—literally laughing at them, “ha, ha, ha,” calling kids who have been murdered “data points” whose corpses is something “we” will take into account to improve “our” services.
Look , I laughed at some of the stories which I beleive not to be true. Why don’t you come to the defence of some of the kids and parents people laughed at here? Why is everyone so one-sided here?
Well if more than one kid falls in a lake and dies how would you suggest someone convey that information to the public? Most people would like to know how many died and the only way we have of communicating this is thru "datapoints". Most people want to know the number. I didn’t invent this concept.
You sure aint’ no regular program parent.
You aint no regular poster here.
And if you are a program parent willing to devote SO much time to your “cause” (informing people that the rendition centers survivors say tortured them are fantastic) you’d surely provide your name, for all reformists who devote so much of themselves give their name as a way of establishing their credibility, like kat Whithead, or Liam Scheff, or any of the CAFETY gang.
So, why not do the same? After all, you care so much, and are certainly not trying to your REAL identity which is not “parent,” but predator.
Why would anyone want to provide their name on the internet, especially here on fornits. What would be gained by that?
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Ok, I find this post disturbing and will reply later.
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I find it to be a repeat of his previous 1000 posts. TheWho posts here more than anyone else, but he really has nothing to say. He was never in a program, never worked for a program, he only has experience in signing checks (or was it direct deposit?). It's nice and all to hear the opinions and perspectives of the bystanders to this situation, but the substance is definitely lacking. He just tells us what he thinks programs are like, based on the marketing and coerced success stories he has read. If I wanted to hear an uninformed opinion, I could just go ask any random person what they think about programs after handing them a brochure, and I'd hear the exact same thing.
Look , I laughed at some of the stories which I beleive not to be true.
That's just plain sad. Maybe one day, in some way, he will realize he is laughing at the testimony of a child who was abused. I don't think there is any way to convince someone that what you are saying is true, and not worth the effort. But, I can't imagine the negative karma that hovers around someone who laughs at the stories of others abuse. There are joke sites on the internet that are much funnier, like theonion.com, personally if I was looking for laughs I'd seek them out somewhere else than a site for people to tell about what happened to them in programs. I fail to understand the logic, maybe because I've seen with my own eyes things much worse than the stories thewho finds funny, I know they are possible and frequent. I'm hoping he is just doing it out of true ignorance, but I do know there are some really mean people out there so who knows.
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That's just plain sad. Maybe one day, in some way, he will realize he is laughing at the testimony of a child who was abused. I don't think there is any way to convince someone that what you are saying is true, and not worth the effort. But, I can't imagine the negative karma that hovers around someone who laughs at the stories of others abuse. There are joke sites on the internet that are much funnier, like theonion.com, personally if I was looking for laughs I'd seek them out somewhere else than a site for people to tell about what happened to them in programs. I fail to understand the logic, maybe because I've seen with my own eyes things much worse than the stories thewho finds funny, I know they are possible and frequent. I'm hoping he is just doing it out of true ignorance, but I do know there are some really mean people out there so who knows.
If you come here for laughs you are picking the wrong place, but humor pops up in the most unexpected places. I read a thread a few days ago where a man suffered a heart attack and many regulars on here thought it was funny. Not only funny but many took it to a whole new level and took pot shots at the victims family (Deborah style). I wasn’t involved in this type of hatred.. but I do occasionally find humor in stories which I feel have been fabricated.
Sorry if it offends others, it is not mean spirited, its just if you have been a parent for a long time you know the stories and the way they are worded sometimes and can spot a kid telling a whopper.
Funny, in a curious way, how laughing at a person who is dying of a heart attack is some how acceptable but laughing at a kid who is telling a story is so detestable. This couldn’t possibly be because of a double standard could it? No , I am sure people here on fornits treat all people equally.
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Now he's just making excuses and trying to blame others for why he finds the topic of child abuse to be funny. For a parent, it sure is a childish argument to say "well johnny hits girls so why can't I?" I just feel sorry for him, and wonder if he'll ever realize the testimony he is laughing at is true, and common place.
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I read a thread a few days ago where a man suffered a heart attack and many regulars on here thought it was funny.
Another perfect example of how you leave certain facts out of the story in order to suit your POV. Miller Newton is who you're referring to and he was unquestionably abusive to many thousands of kids. You've even conceded the point yourself. Those of us who were personally abused by him and his wife have every right to the anger and hatred we feel. The courts have agreed, which is why Newton has been forced to pay out (or his insurance company has) multiple millions of dollars for the various suits that have been brought against him, for abuse, in a court of law.
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Now he's just making excuses and trying to blame others for why he finds the topic of child abuse to be funny. For a parent, it sure is a childish argument to say "well johnny hits girls so why can't I?" I just feel sorry for him, and wonder if he'll ever realize the testimony he is laughing at is true, and common place.
Truth hurts doesnt it, TGIF.
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Now he's just making excuses and trying to blame others for why he finds the topic of child abuse to be funny. For a parent, it sure is a childish argument to say "well johnny hits girls so why can't I?" I just feel sorry for him, and wonder if he'll ever realize the testimony he is laughing at is true, and common place.
Truth hurts doesnt it, TGIF.
What truth would that be?
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Now he's just making excuses and trying to blame others for why he finds the topic of child abuse to be funny. For a parent, it sure is a childish argument to say "well johnny hits girls so why can't I?" I just feel sorry for him, and wonder if he'll ever realize the testimony he is laughing at is true, and common place.
Truth hurts doesnt it, TGIF.
When I read testimony from someone who went through an abusive program, posted on fornits, it hurts me deeply. In that sense, yes, the truth hurts very deeply. That is why I am so perplexed by TheWho's ability to dismiss this testimony, mock and laugh at the victim, and see nothing wrong with it. I am brainstorming on how or what would drive a person to do this, for years, all day and night long. I just can't seem to come up with a descent answer, it is so far out of my realm of understanding.
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I read a thread a few days ago where a man suffered a heart attack and many regulars on here thought it was funny.
Another perfect example of how you leave certain facts out of the story in order to suit your POV. Miller Newton is who you're referring to and he was unquestionably abusive to many thousands of kids. You've even conceded the point yourself. Those of us who were personally abused by him and his wife have every right to the anger and hatred we feel. The courts have agreed, which is why Newton has been forced to pay out (or his insurance company has) multiple millions of dollars for the various suits that have been brought against him, for abuse, in a court of law.
So if a kid is in a program, RTC or jail for torturing the family pet, killing the family dog, abusing others then by your standard it is okay to laugh if this kid gets tortured or dies…. Its normal and justified to laugh at someone who is dying is what you are saying (depending on the persons point of view). Others may not see it as funny but that is okay.
Just want to understand the rules a little better.
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TheWho is steadily losing ground and credibility here (what else is new, eh? LOL).
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When I read testimony from someone who went through an abusive program, posted on fornits, it hurts me deeply. In that sense, yes, the truth hurts very deeply. That is why I am so perplexed by TheWho's ability to dismiss this testimony, mock and laugh at the victim, and see nothing wrong with it. I am brainstorming on how or what would drive a person to do this, for years, all day and night long. I just can't seem to come up with a descent answer, it is so far out of my realm of understanding.
Ah. Gotcha. Wasn't sure who you were directing that too.
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Now as a guest, theWho continues to make excuse after excuse to why he finds the testimony of child abuse survivors funny. This just gets sadder, and sadder. According to theWho's logic, making fun of abusers is wrong, but making fun of their victims is fine and dandy. I just hope his guest posts are linked with his account, for when the mass deletion inevitably occurs.
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So if a kid is in a program, RTC or jail for torturing the family pet, killing the family dog, abusing others then by your standard it is okay to laugh if this kid gets tortured or dies…. Its normal and justified to laugh at someone who is dying is what you are saying (depending on the persons point of view). Others may not see it as funny but that is okay.
Just want to understand the rules a little better.
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I would have no problem with the family dog laughing at the kid in the program.
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So if a kid is in a program, RTC or jail for torturing the family pet, killing the family dog, abusing others then by your standard it is okay to laugh if this kid gets tortured or dies…. Its normal and justified to laugh at someone who is dying is what you are saying (depending on the persons point of view). Others may not see it as funny but that is okay.
Just want to understand the rules a little better.
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I would have no problem with the family dog laughing at the kid in the program.
Ha,Ha,Ha, I hear ya. A little absurd isnt it?
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The only thing which is absurd is you, for finding the topic of child abuse funny. I have links to other child abuse and sexual abuse forums which might interest you... you know since fornits is slow these days, I don't want you to get bored.
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Ha,Ha,Ha, I know all of them well.. thanks anyways.
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Funny, in a curious way, how laughing at a person who is dying of a heart attack is some how acceptable but laughing at a kid who is telling a story is so detestable. This couldn’t possibly be because of a double standard could it? No , I am sure people here on fornits treat all people equally.
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And many of the kids that WHO referred to abusive programs will probably laugh when they hear about him contracting AIDS from one of his many program buddies.
Time to laugh some more about Miller Newton's heart attack (didn't see that one coming......sorta like WHOTIE's syphyllitic brain lesions)
Fuck you very much,
Laughin' @ Miller Newton
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I have links to other child abuse and sexual abuse forums which might interest you... you know since fornits is slow these days, I don't want you to get bored.
Ha,Ha,Ha, I know all of them well.. thanks anyways.
I have no doubt that you do.
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Anyone who would have a problem with survivors expressing their sorrow in hearing that Miller Newton survived his heart attack either knows nothing about the industry, or is a believer in it; it has to be one of the two.
Let's Party On Miller Newton's Grave! (http://http://fornits.com/phpbb/viewtopic.php?f=7&t=25937&p=316594#p316594)
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If admins just deleted his posts at random, even once a day, he'd eventually see the futility in his efforts here and give up.
If programs can censor and control, so can Fornits. Don't try it with that same ol' bullshit about taking the 'high road' or whatever. That shit only goes so far in the real world. Just shut the fuck up and delete his posts. It's called guerilla warfare, you cunts. It worked in the Revolutionary War and it can fucking well work here! Every time you see one of his asinine posts and you feel like it, delete it. Simple, problem solved. Shut him down for good and let's move on to more interesting topics -- or, are you windbags here so fucking shallow and desperate for material that you need this duplicitous program schmuck to spur 'conversation' day in, day out?'
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If admins just deleted his posts at random, even once a day, he'd eventually see the futility in his efforts here and give up.
If programs can censor and control, so can Fornits. Don't try it with that same ol' bullshit about taking the 'high road' or whatever. That shit only goes so far in the real world. Just shut the fuck up and delete his posts. It's called guerilla warfare, you cunts. It worked in the Revolutionary War and it can fucking well work here! Every time you see one of his asinine posts and you feel like it, delete it. Simple, problem solved. Shut him down for good and let's move on to more interesting topics -- or, are you windbags here so fucking shallow and desperate for material that you need this duplicitous program schmuck to spur 'conversation' day in, day out?'
So you believe there are special cases where censorship and control over other peoples communication is warranted.
Interesting, who gets to decide?
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who gets to decide?
The admins of fornits.
(You needn't worry though; I doubt they have the 'nads to do it.)
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Anyone who would have a problem with survivors expressing their sorrow in hearing that Miller Newton survived his heart attack either knows nothing about the industry, or is a believer in it; it has to be one of the two.
How about a staff member who knows the true extent of what a kid did to his family and younger sister and suffering he caused, which lead to his RTC stay. Can staff express elation or find personal enjoyment over the suffering of this kid or would that be considered inhumane by some people here?
Is this a double standard? Or just two different points of view?
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who gets to decide?
The admins of fornits.
(You needn't worry though -- i doubt they have the 'nads to do it.)
So why do people belly ache here when programs decide to sensor or control communication with the kids?. Why is it not okay for them to decide? I am sure they would have the same consideration you do.
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How about a staff member who knows the true extent of what a kid did to his family and younger sister and suffering he caused, which [led] to his RTC stay. Can staff express elation or find personal enjoyment over the suffering of this kid or would that be considered inhumane by some people here?
Depends; if a kid did some really evil shit to his parents (most that end up in RTCs probably don't do much in the way of 'deserving it' at all, of course) then in that case I would have to say yes, Who, let the fucker get some comeuppance for it.
But that's usually not the case, is it?
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So why do people belly ache here when programs decide to sensor or control communication with the kids?. Why is it not okay for them to decide? I am sure they would have the same consideration you do.
Stupid question.
"I don't practice what I preach because I'm not the kind of person I'm preaching to."
-J.R. Bob Dobbs
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So why do people belly ache here when programs decide to sensor or control communication with the kids?. Why is it not okay for them to decide? I am sure they would have the same consideration you do.
Stupid question.
"I don't practice what I preach because I'm not the kind of person I'm preaching to."
-J.R. Bob Dobbs
Well, I am glad we cleared that up. So you believe there are times when communication needs to be controlled and censored. If we remove the double standard then this would be acceptable everywhere like in programs if the staff felt it was appropriate. Maybe vote on it on a case by case basis depending on how bad the kid speaks out or what he is liable to say.
Intermittent free speech... I like that one!
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How about a staff member who knows the true extent of what a kid did to his family and younger sister and suffering he caused, which [led] to his RTC stay. Can staff express elation or find personal enjoyment over the suffering of this kid or would that be considered inhumane by some people here?
Depends; if a kid did some really evil shit to his parents (most that end up in RTCs probably don't do much in the way of 'deserving it' at all, of course) then in that case I would have to say yes, Who, let the fucker get some comeuppance for it.
But that's usually not the case, is it?
WHO,
Regardless of WHAT the kid(s) have done.....program staff must maintain their professional bearing(s) at all times. This is the reason why they are called and supposed to be "PROFESSIONALS". The sad thing is this, MR. WHO; in a great many of the "PROGRAMS" across the UNITED STATES there are some who are "COUNSELING" children that do not have degrees or any formal training, and then there are many that also do have formal training and degrees....The ones that are not formally trained more than likely are not professionals, and the ones that do have the training/degree do not always act like professionals like they are supposed to be. Integrity, know- how, personal morals, among a few other things is what makes one a professional.
P.S. Miller Newton is and was NEVER a professional, I assure you. He never was in any, way ,shape or form
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WHO,
Regardless of WHAT the kid(s) have done.....program staff must maintain their professional bearing(s) at all times. This is the reason why they are called and supposed to be "PROFESSIONALS". The sad thing is this, MR. WHO; in a great many of the "PROGRAMS" across the UNITED STATES there are some who are "COUNSELING" children that do not have degrees or any formal training, and then there are many that also do have formal training and degrees....The ones that are not formally trained more than likely are not professionals, and the ones that do have the training/degree do not always act like professionals like they are supposed to be. Integrity, know- how, personal morals, among a few other things is what makes one a professional.
P.S. Miller Newton is and was NEVER a professional, I assure you. He never was in any, way ,shape or form
-DP
I agree with you on this one,Depro
There are a couple of ways, that I can see, to deal with this. One is to educate parents to insure their child is being seen by a professional (therapist). Another is to push for more regulation which would require verification and follow-up and to standardize hiring/personnel requirements.
I think a third would be a site like fornits, but the information is so biased and painted with such a broad brush that there is no distinction between programs which provide licensed therapists and those that do not, programs with good track records vs those with poor ones.
But a site that could provide parents with some honest information would be invaluable and could help alleviate some of these issues.
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WHO,
Regardless of WHAT the kid(s) have done.....program staff must maintain their professional bearing(s) at all times. This is the reason why they are called and supposed to be "PROFESSIONALS". The sad thing is this, MR. WHO; in a great many of the "PROGRAMS" across the UNITED STATES there are some who are "COUNSELING" children that do not have degrees or any formal training, and then there are many that also do have formal training and degrees....The ones that are not formally trained more than likely are not professionals, and the ones that do have the training/degree do not always act like professionals like they are supposed to be. Integrity, know- how, personal morals, among a few other things is what makes one a professional.
P.S. Miller Newton is and was NEVER a professional, I assure you. He never was in any, way ,shape or form
-DP
I agree with you on this one,Depro
There are a couple of ways, that I can see, to deal with this. One is to educate parents to insure their child is being seen by a professional (therapist). Another is to push for more regulation which would require verification and follow-up and to standardize hiring/personnel requirements.
I think a third would be a site like fornits, but the information is so biased and painted with such a broad brush that there is no distinction between programs which provide licensed therapists and those that do not, programs with good track records vs those with poor ones.
But a site that could provide parents with some honest information would be invaluable and could help alleviate some of these issues.
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You lying dick. You were arguing with someone on another thread about program counselors with only GED's. You thought it was ok to only have a GED, ok to not even have a GED.
Get rid of this fucking guy, his marketing strategy here is more annoying than any infomercial or telemarketer.
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ADMINISTRATORS, YOU STOPPED IMAGE POSTING EVEN BECAUSE OF "OVERWHELMING DEMAND" STOP THIS SPAM!!
And I, personally, think that was a mistake. I'm a lot more inclined to restore image posting cause it's just such a barrier to creative expression to have that disabled. There have been a few times I've wanted put a little extra time into an illustrated post since then. Oh well, I'll think on it. But I'm not going to go around deleting posts only to come back and find the fora flooded with bickering over my new censorship policy. And it's still absolutely out of the question to throw any barrier against truly anonymous posting, such as those that have come out of program LANs in the past.
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If admins just deleted his posts at random, even once a day, he'd eventually see the futility in his efforts here and give up.
If programs can censor and control, so can Fornits. Don't try it with that same ol' bullshit about taking the 'high road' or whatever. That shit only goes so far in the real world. Just shut the fuck up and delete his posts. It's called guerilla warfare, you cunts. It worked in the Revolutionary War and it can fucking well work here! Every time you see one of his asinine posts and you feel like it, delete it. Simple, problem solved. Shut him down for good and let's move on to more interesting topics -- or, are you windbags here so fucking shallow and desperate for material that you need this duplicitous program schmuck to spur 'conversation' day in, day out?'
So you believe there are special cases where censorship and control over other peoples communication is warranted.
Interesting, who gets to decide?
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Doesn't anyone here notice the sudden difference in prose styling?
Isn't it odd this difference happens after the who decides to "auction off" his account?
So, you think the old who got burnt out marketing here, and this person is a stand-in? This who sounds younger, somehow...What do you guys think?
And, boo to administration for making us put up with this. I volunteer to delete this asshole's posts. Or, How bout we make a no-derailing thread with pro-program “information” rule, and any time that happens the post is deleted?
Then the "more kids die in public schools, so programs are great," "no program has been proved abusive so programs are medically valid," and the "with each kid that’s murdered more data points for improving programs are collected and since so may data points exist, you can be sure of the safety of programs” arguments can be consigned to 3 separate threads, and conversation can continue around them
Any takers?
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You lying dick. You were arguing with someone on another thread about program counselors with only GED's. You thought it was ok to only have a GED, ok to not even have a GED.
Get rid of this fucking guy, his marketing strategy here is more annoying than any infomercial or telemarketer.
Go back and read for comprehension this time. There is nothing wrong with hiring someone with/wo a GED. But you don’t want him to be your therapist Ha,Ha,Ha what the hell is the matter with you? The guy could man the phones at night maybe... there are plenty of jobs people can do without a degree.
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Doesn't anyone here notice the sudden difference in prose styling?
Isn't it odd this difference happens after the who decides to "auction off" his account?
So, you think the old who got burnt out marketing here, and this person is a stand-in? This who sounds younger, somehow...What do you guys think?
And, boo to administration for making us put up with this. I volunteer to delete this asshole's posts. Or, How bout we make a no-derailing thread with pro-program “information” rule, and any time that happens the post is deleted?
Just for balance : How about we make a no-derailing thread with anti-program “information” rule, and any time that happens the post is deleted?
Then the "more kids die in public schools, so programs are great," "no program has been proved abusive so programs are medically valid," and the "with each kid that’s murdered more data points for improving programs are collected and since so may data points exist, you can be sure of the safety of programs” arguments can be consigned to 3 separate threads, and conversation can continue around them
I can go along with that as long as it is balanced out with no talk like “programs are abusive”, “they brainwash people”, “kids get murdered in them” etc. without showing some statistics to back their claims otherwise they need to be deleted or moved to a dedicated thread for anti-program spam.
Any takers?
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If programs can censor and control, so can Fornits.
And we become the dragon that we set out to slay.
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I guess you've trolled your way out of your offer then, Whooter?
Good Lord!
I had sort of hoped for a good natured charity donation behind this, but it seems the kool-aid contingent has taken to the bullhorn strategy yet again. Whatever the topic, whether it's philosopy, legal facts or the logistics of keeping a useful resource around, here come the ass clowns to blather their own line of bullshit and shout everybody down.
Next!
How about a photoshop contest? Submit your best photoshop effort at satirizing, pillorying or praising your favorite Fornits personalities (or favorite ones to hate) for consideration. We'll do a poll for a buck a vote and the winning artist gets their art on the next Fornits Zazzle offering and half the poll tax.
Proceeds go to cover hosting service. I think we have about $50 to go to cover it for the upcoming year and they're running a special on some nifty shit that Psy would like to have.
Hell, even if nobody pays the poll tax to vote it'll still be fun and we may make something on merchandising.
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If admins just deleted his posts at random, even once a day, he'd eventually see the futility in his efforts here and give up.
If programs can censor and control, so can Fornits. Don't try it with that same ol' bullshit about taking the 'high road' or whatever. That shit only goes so far in the real world. Just shut the fuck up and delete his posts. It's called guerilla warfare, you cunts. It worked in the Revolutionary War and it can fucking well work here! Every time you see one of his asinine posts and you feel like it, delete it. Simple, problem solved. Shut him down for good and let's move on to more interesting topics -- or, are you windbags here so fucking shallow and desperate for material that you need this duplicitous program schmuck to spur 'conversation' day in, day out?'
YES, THANK YOU TO GOD. Its posts don't even make sense as responses to the last one. It sounds like a bot. It merely says the same thing over and over.
(kids are more likely to die in public schools..(this was disproved)...a program has never been proven abusive,(disproved) therefore it's effective (if something isn't proved effective its defacto ineffective, medically)
Its "arguments" have been voiced and responded to 100 times over. He just says the same thing over and over regardless of how the “discussion progresses” in an attempt to derail the thread or link to the studies which have disproved the effectiveness of programs,to confuse newcomers in the chance that no one bothers to or proved kids are more likely to die in them, or have the same argument again and again.
ADMINISTRATORS, YOU STOPPED IMAGE POSTING EVEN BECAUSE OF "OVERWHELMING DEMAND" STOP THIS SPAM!!
Ha,Ha,Ha Even I'll sign up to see those!!
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And, boo to administration for making us put up with this. I volunteer to delete this asshole's posts. Or, How bout we make a no-derailing thread with pro-program “information” rule, and any time that happens the post is deleted?
Then the "more kids die in public schools, so programs are great," "no program has been proved abusive so programs are medically valid," and the "with each kid that’s murdered more data points for improving programs are collected and since so may data points exist, you can be sure of the safety of programs” arguments can be consigned to 3 separate threads, and conversation can continue around them
Any takers?
Yes, I like these ideas.
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If programs can censor and control, so can Fornits.
And we become the dragon that we set out to slay.
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I guess you've trolled your way out of your offer then, Whooter?
Good Lord!
I had sort of hoped for a good natured charity donation behind this, but it seems the kool-aid contingent has taken to the bullhorn strategy yet again. Whatever the topic, whether it's philosopy, legal facts or the logistics of keeping a useful resource around, here come the ass clowns to blather their own line of bullshit and shout everybody down.
Next!
How about a photoshop contest? Submit your best photoshop effort of satirizing, pillorying or praising your favorite Fornits personalities (or favorite ones to hate) for consideration. We'll do a poll for a buck a vote and the winning artist gets their art on the next Fornits Zazzle offering and half the poll tax.
What do you mean.... I thought we had $90 as a last bid. My bags are packed.
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And we become the dragon that we set out to slay.
No, 'we' don't. We don't support programs that abuse kids, we just delete bullshit posts on a message board; big difference.
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And we become the dragon that we set out to slay.
No, 'we' don't. We don't support programs that abuse kids, we just delete bullshit posts on a message board; big difference.
exactly. Besides, we already can't post images..so we've already become the dragon anyway, by your definition..
Alternatively,
Can you set up a sticky which refutes the who's bullshit, so regulars don't feel obliged to rengage in the same repetitive dance again and again.
He has only 3 lines of logic so we only need 3 responses set up in this sticky and we can simply link to it, or cut and paste from it, and then continue on.
Ginger, can we do that, huh, huh, can we, can we? Also, thewho withdrew his offer to auction himself off? Wha now? IS he posting from a new Ip all of a sudden, too?
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Can you set up a sticky which refutes the who's bullshit, so regulars don't feel obliged to rengage in the same repetitive dance again and again.
He has only 3 lines of logic so we only need 3 responses set up in this sticky and we can simply link to it, or cut and paste from it, and then continue on.
Ginger, can we do that, huh, huh, can we, can we? Also, thewho withdrew his offer to auction himself off? Wha now? IS he posting from a new Ip all of a sudden, too?
Maybe we can limit conversations to those which can only be supported thru long term clinical studies. That way this mentality that “all” programs are abusive and ineffective can be neutralized.
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There are a couple of ways, that I can see, to deal with this. One is to educate parents to insure their child is being seen by a professional (therapist). Another is to push for more regulation which would require verification and follow-up and to standardize hiring/personnel requirements.
Translation......
It takes a two pronged strategy to make this go poof as we've been doing for the past 3 decades or so. First, we give the target market a new set of buzz phrases; same basic slight of mind as how the vicious, evile sounding Sheiits became more the kinder, gentler sounding Shiia when the politicos decided to use them to fuck with other people instead of using them others to fuck with them. We have to use language and attitudes to shift the dialog from one of condemning the practice of brainwashing to one of regulating it. At the same time, we must support all efforts to eviscerate said regulation of any meaningful provisions that might pose a real threat to the high holy art of brainwashing for power and profit.
It is absolutely necessary that we shift the dialog in this way away from any ideas of freedom of volition or personal autonomy. Look at how well it has worked to simply redefine terms like "personal responsibility" to mean "invoke force of law"! Remember, there is just no way to control people who are acting out of motives to preserved themselves, their families and their communities and countries of their own informed volition. Laws and regulations, though, shit! That just takes a little money and no conscience.
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Can you set up a sticky which refutes the who's bullshit, so regulars don't feel obliged to rengage in the same repetitive dance again and again.
He has only 3 lines of logic so we only need 3 responses set up in this sticky and we can simply link to it, or cut and paste from it, and then continue on.
Ginger, can we do that, huh, huh, can we, can we? Also, thewho withdrew his offer to auction himself off? Wha now? IS he posting from a new Ip all of a sudden, too?
Maybe we can limit conversations to those which can only be supported thru long term clinical studies. That way this mentality that “all” programs are abusive and ineffective can be neutralized.
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For the thousandth time, you evil shill, UNTIL a ritual or act has been PROVED effective as treatment in peer reviewed clinical trials, it is NOT medically accepted as effective. Othewise, raping Kirk Cameron would be a valid cancer cure as no one has DISPROVED specifically that raping Kirk Cameron cures cancer. Thusly, as of now, 2008, scientifically, medically speaking, NO PROGRAM IS EFFECTIVE.
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The only thing which is absurd is you, for finding the topic of child abuse funny. I have links to other child abuse and sexual abuse forums which might interest you... you know since fornits is slow these days, I don't want you to get bored.
What do you think would happen if we invited folks from over there to come over here and troll TheWho? LOL
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For the thousandth time, you evil shill, UNTIL a ritual or act has been PROVED effective as treatment in peer reviewed clinical trials, it is NOT medically accepted as effective. Othewise, raping Kirk Cameron would be a valid cancer cure as no one has DISPROVED specifically that raping Kirk Cameron cures cancer. Thusly, as of now, 2008, scientifically, medically speaking, NO PROGRAM IS EFFECTIVE.
You are letting your emotions cloud your thinking.
You are wrong, if the childs therapist feels a specific environment or TBS would be beneficial and has proven effective with others then it is acceptable.
If we based our decision on one child being raped or being successful we would be misleading ourselves and others. I typically suggest that parents speak to other parents who have been thru it and gain consent from local services.
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The only thing which is absurd is you, for finding the topic of child abuse funny. I have links to other child abuse and sexual abuse forums which might interest you... you know since fornits is slow these days, I don't want you to get bored.
What do you think would happen if we invited folks from over there to come over here and troll TheWho? LOL
Oh Please none of TSW's NAMBLA People.
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Anyone who would have a problem with survivors expressing their sorrow in hearing that Miller Newton survived his heart attack either knows nothing about the industry, or is a believer in it; it has to be one of the two.
How about a staff member who knows the true extent of what a kid did to his family and younger sister and suffering he caused, which lead to his RTC stay. Can staff express elation or find personal enjoyment over the suffering of this kid or would that be considered inhumane by some people here?
Is this a double standard? Or just two different points of view?
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The who is an annoying but incompetant shill as he inadvertantly betrays that he views that kids in programs as "bad" (they did a bad things to younger sis) and that kids in programs suffer in ways that would be considered "inhumane," suffering which inspires elation in staff (him) because the kids suffering is an act of justice .
Maybe it just revealed why he laughed at those kid's abuse and rape. It views their rape and abuse as suffering, thier dog's/sister's justice.
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You are letting your emotions cloud your thinking.
You are wrong, if the childs therapist feels a specific environment or TBS would be beneficial and has proven effective with others then it is acceptable.
If we based our decision on one child being raped or being successful we would be misleading ourselves and others. I typically suggest that parents speak to other parents who have been thru it and gain consent from local services.
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For the thousandth time, you evil shill, UNTIL a ritual or act has been PROVED effective as treatment in peer reviewed clinical trials, it is NOT medically accepted as effective. Othewise, raping Kirk Cameron would be a valid cancer cure as no one has DISPROVED specifically that raping Kirk Cameron cures cancer. Thusly, as of now, 2008, scientifically, medically speaking, NO PROGRAM IS EFFECTIVE.
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For the thousandth time, you evil shill, UNTIL a ritual or act has been PROVED effective as treatment in peer reviewed clinical trials, it is NOT medically accepted as effective. Othewise, raping Kirk Cameron would be a valid cancer cure as no one has DISPROVED specifically that raping Kirk Cameron cures cancer. Thusly, as of now, 2008, scientifically, medically speaking, NO PROGRAM IS EFFECTIVE.
You are letting your emotions cloud your thinking.
You are wrong, if the childs therapist feels a specific environment or TBS would be beneficial and has proven effective with others then it is acceptable.
If we based our decision on one child being raped or being successful we would be misleading ourselves and others. I typically suggest that parents speak to other parents who have been thru it and gain consent from local services.
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As the world's biggest (or smallest) shill, you are purposely spreading misinformation. NO, a medicine isn't effective or not effective because of what a parent "feels." It must be PROVED effective before it has any medical validity. NO PORGRAM is any more effective according to MEDICAL SCIENCE for anything except hurting people.
the end.
This describes the trials a ritual or medicine must undergo before it can be considered a scientifically valid therapy. NO PROGRAM HAS EVER BEEN PROVED ANYTHING BUT DAMAGING THROUGH THIS PROCESS.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Clinical_trial (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Clinical_trial)
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I retract my bid.
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How about a photoshop contest? Submit your best photoshop effort at satirizing, pillorying or praising your favorite Fornits personalities (or favorite ones to hate) for consideration. We'll do a poll for a buck a vote and the winning artist gets their art on the next Fornits Zazzle offering and half the poll tax.
How can you have a photoshop contest on a forum that doesn't allow image posting?
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And we become the dragon that we set out to slay.
No, 'we' don't. We don't support programs that abuse kids, we just delete bullshit posts on a message board; big difference.
No, not really. Frod, ya know I love ya dearly and respect you profoundly. But I think you're missing the bigger picture. We're all in the program now. Very literally, we are and we'd best deal with it with the benefit of hind-sight.
The absolute most basic element of the Program is to control information. The whole idea of Fornits is to see what happens if you pull that linchpin. There is no practical way to blacklist certain individuals or groups of them except to do it in reverse and allow posting only from a whitelist. That would mean that a person would have to be fairly surely identified in order to be allowed to post. That would put an end to a lot of the most vital information that has come only from Fornits and had made it the "must read" source for industry information prior to the onslaught of cyberbullying and trolling by Sue Scheff, The Whooter et al.
There have been posts by kids sneaking into computer labs or current staff just prior to resignation that have made public incredibly useful information. People with good reason to be cautions with their identities have provided facts and leads that have hurt the industry in various ways. Is it really worth it to put an end to that kind of communication?
Even when programmies think they're helping their cause, they often shoot themselves in the foot. Remember that kid who's boyfriend got dissapeared into a WWASP program? His family had it out with her and us in a way that would NEVER have transpired with an ID check at the door. It made enough noise that people contacted the court, filled them in n relavent facts and the judge ordered the kid released.
I guess you could say it's kinda like what would happen if rodeo clowns inadvertently drew a crowd from a PETA convention.
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Translation......
It takes a two pronged strategy to make this go poof as we've been doing for the past 3 decades or so. First, we give the target market a new set of buzz phrases; same basic slight of mind as how the vicious, evile sounding Sheiits became more the kinder, gentler sounding Shiia when the politicos decided to use them to fuck with other people instead of using them others to fuck with them. We have to use language and attitudes to shift the dialog from one of condemning the practice of brainwashing to one of regulating it. At the same time, we must support all efforts to eviscerate said regulation of any meaningful provisions that might pose a real threat to the high holy art of brainwashing for power and profit.
It is absolutely necessary that we shift the dialog in this way away from any ideas of freedom of volition or personal autonomy. Look at how well it has worked to simply redefine terms like "personal responsibility" to mean "invoke force of law"! Remember, there is just no way to control people who are acting out of motives to preserved themselves, their families and their communities and countries of their own informed volition. Laws and regulations, though, shit! That just takes a little money and no conscience.
Go to football, throw a brick,
Get no mercy, months in nick
Riot in the ghetto, red alert,
Guilty free, innocent hurt
We've been warned of rivers of blood
See the trickle before the flood
Pretend nothing happened, make no fuss
One law for them, One for us
One law for them, One law for them,
One law for them, and another law for us
No fun, no homes, no job, no use
what else is used as an excuse
Families fighting, familes looting
next there's death, then there's shooting
One law for them, One law for them,
One law for them, and another law for us
Riots in London, blame Old Bill
We've been lucky no ones killed
Violence on the streets, more to follow
Freedom for those freedom fighters
One law for them, One law for them,
One law for them, and another law for us
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We're all in the program now.
If that's true, then I'm way past due for a startover! :D
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How about a photoshop contest? Submit your best photoshop effort at satirizing, pillorying or praising your favorite Fornits personalities (or favorite ones to hate) for consideration. We'll do a poll for a buck a vote and the winning artist gets their art on the next Fornits Zazzle offering and half the poll tax.
How can you have a photoshop contest on a forum that doesn't allow image posting?
Good point! Nother good reason to restore image posting!
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As the world's biggest (or smallest) shill, you are purposely spreading misinformation. NO, a medicine isn't effective or not effective because of what a parent "feels." It must be PROVED effective before it has any medical validity.
Exactly, I believe it should be approved by the FDA.
NO PORGRAM is any more effective according to MEDICAL SCIENCE for anything except hurting people. the end.
I missed that study. Was that a long tern clinical study done in this century? [citation needed]
This describes the trials a ritual or medicine must undergo before it can be considered a scientifically valid therapy. NO PROGRAM HAS EVER BEEN PROVED ANYTHING BUT DAMAGING THROUGH THIS PROCESS.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Clinical_trial (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Clinical_trial)
Thanks for the link. Here check this out:
http://http://www.davemarcus.com/
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And we become the dragon that we set out to slay.
No, 'we' don't. We don't support programs that abuse kids, we just delete bullshit posts on a message board; big difference.
No, not really. Frod, ya know I love ya dearly and respect you profoundly. But I think you're missing the bigger picture. We're all in the program now. Very literally, we are and we'd best deal with it with the benefit of hind-sight.
The absolute most basic element of the Program is to control information. The whole idea of Fornits is to see what happens if you pull that linchpin. There is no practical way to blacklist certain individuals or groups of them except to do it in reverse and allow posting only from a whitelist. That would mean that a person would have to be fairly surely identified in order to be allowed to post. That would put an end to a lot of the most vital information that has come only from Fornits and had made it the "must read" source for industry information prior to the onslaught of cyberbullying and trolling by Sue Scheff, The Whooter et al.
There have been posts by kids sneaking into computer labs or current staff just prior to resignation that have made public incredibly useful information. People with good reason to be cautions with their identities have provided facts and leads that have hurt the industry in various ways. Is it really worth it to put an end to that kind of communication?
Even when programmies think they're helping their cause, they often shoot themselves in the foot. Remember that kid who's boyfriend got dissapeared into a WWASP program? His family had it out with her and us in a way that would NEVER have transpired with an ID check at the door. It made enough noise that people contacted the court, filled them in n relavent facts and the judge ordered the kid released.
I guess you could say it's kinda like what would happen if rodeo clowns inadvertently drew a crowd from a PETA convention.
how will deleting whospam stop people from posting info hurtful to rendition centers, now?
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I guess you could say it's kinda like what would happen if rodeo clowns inadvertently drew a crowd from a PETA convention.
or
a Dr. Phil LGAT episode audience comprised of fornitions.
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I guess you could say it's kinda like what would happen if rodeo clowns inadvertently drew a crowd from a PETA convention.
Ha,Ha,Ha, Great analogy! PETA figured out the key is in the marketing and they came up with the best marketing scheme. They attracted woman who like to get naked in public and dressed them up like various animals, put them in cages and get a ton of visibility and air time every time they appear.
Brilliant
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how will deleting whospam stop people from posting info hurtful to rendition centers, now?asd
Exactly, you need to confront and discuss the isssues. Dont try to silence other people. It is ineffective and wrong.
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how will deleting whospam stop people from posting info hurtful to rendition centers, now?asd
Exactly, you need to confront and discuss the isssues. Dont try to silence other people. It is ineffective and wrong.
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is this ass's posts coming from a new i.p. This is a new "who," right?
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how will deleting whospam stop people from posting info hurtful to rendition centers, now?asd
Exactly, you need to confront and discuss the isssues. Dont try to silence other people. It is ineffective and wrong.
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is this ass's posts coming from a new i.p. This is a new "who," right?
I was asked to pick up after Mike left and take the pro-program position. I am new at this so it will take me awhile to catch up.
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is this ass's posts coming from a new i.p. This is a new "who," right?
I was asked to pick up after Mike left and take the pro-program position. I am new at this so it will take me awhile to catch up.
huh?
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how will deleting whospam stop people from posting info hurtful to rendition centers, now?
There is no practical way to blacklist certain individuals or groups of them except to do it in reverse and allow posting only from a whitelist. That would mean that a person would have to be fairly surely identified in order to be allowed to post. That would put an end to a lot of the most vital information that has come only [through] Fornits and had made it the "must read" source for industry information prior to the onslaught of cyberbullying and trolling by Sue Scheff, The Whooter et al.
Some of that info has directly sprung real live individual kids from incarceration, some has helped tha jabberwocks to build cases in the legal arena and journalists to cover stories in the Vth estate.
The only way to effectively delete whospam would be to do what Lon Woodburry has done with Struggling Turkeys in order to prevent the turkeys from seeing shit he doesn't want them seeing. Otherwise, the whospam just mutates into reposting by various means and also the conversation being dominated by bitching and griping and bellyaching over the fact that some shit is being deleted and who's making the decisions and why not delete the anon shit too and so on and so on and so on.
We've been down this road before. I wish people could get it through their heads that I do not posess the power to create a forum that is both open to anonymous communication about important shit AND to selectively screen said communication for shit that we don't like. It's not that I wouldn't if I could, it's that it cannot be done.
Now grow the fuck up and deal with it, please? (that's to those among yenz with whom I've had this conversation about a million times)
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Could you at least make the dunce cap more visible
and
the corner of the room more remote?
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how will deleting whospam stop people from posting info hurtful to rendition centers, now?
There is no practical way to blacklist certain individuals or groups of them except to do it in reverse and allow posting only from a whitelist. That would mean that a person would have to be fairly surely identified in order to be allowed to post. That would put an end to a lot of the most vital information that has come only [through] Fornits and had made it the "must read" source for industry information prior to the onslaught of cyberbullying and trolling by Sue Scheff, The Whooter et al.
Some of that info has directly sprung real live individual kids from incarceration, some has helped tha jabberwocks to build cases in the legal arena and journalists to cover stories in the Vth estate.
The only way to effectively delete whospam would be to do what Lon Woodburry has done with Struggling Turkeys in order to prevent the turkeys from seeing shit he doesn't want them seeing. Otherwise, the whospam just mutates into reposting by various means and also the conversation being dominated by bitching and griping and bellyaching over the fact that some shit is being deleted and who's making the decisions and why not delete the anon shit too and so on and so on and so on.
We've been down this road before. I wish people could get it through their heads that I do not posess the power to create a forum that is both open to anonymous communication about important shit AND to selectively screen said communication for shit that we don't like. It's not that I wouldn't if I could, it's that it cannot be done.
Now grow the fuck up and deal with it, please? (that's to those among yenz with whom I've had this conversation about a million times)
So is this who a "new who"? Officially?
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he'll just register another account or start harrassing people as a guest. Don't waste your hard earned money unless there is a guarantee that he won't ever come back!
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Exactly, you need to confront and discuss the isssues. Dont try to silence other people. It is ineffective and wrong.
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Oh confont this! :moon: you fuckin pie hole!
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TheWho will just come back as Pink Floyd.
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TheWho will just come back as Pink Floyd.
:D
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Ginger you don't have to censor the guy, everyone understands the free speech issue. You do have control over who advertises on your forum. TheWho is engaging in commercial activity. You could surreptitiously track down who or what he is and determine if he's doing business here.
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We've been down this road before
A lot of talk, maybe...but no action that I can recall. In other words, yeah, the subject has come up before but did anyone ever actually try it, or are we just schmeckulating here? I guarantee TheWho would give up if his posts started disappearing at random. And hell, even if he didn't, IT WOULD SURE BE A LOT OF FUN witnessing the mayhem. ;D
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he'll just register another account or start harrassing people as a guest. Don't waste your hard earned money unless there is a guarantee that he won't ever come back!
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Yep. That's the part I don't think most people are getting. There is no way to effectively ban him and I really don't think Ginger or anyone else wants to spend their time digging through threads to delete his posts. After all these years of getting his ass handed to him it's pretty clear who and what he is to anyone who even reads just a little of what he posts. Especially recently with Ursus, Psy and a few anons that have just PWND him so completely. And succinctly. They manage to point out his absurdities without going too personal. They've been short and to the point in not getting distracted by the need to win the pissing contest.
What's that saying Ginger's so fond of? The net views censorship as [something] and routes around it.
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I retract my bid.
I will replace this bid ($90).
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Afsdf
he'll just register another account or start harrassing people as a guest. Don't waste your hard earned money unless there is a guarantee that he won't ever come back!
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Yep. That's the part I don't think most people are getting. There is no way to effectively ban him and I really don't think Ginger or anyone else wants to spend their time digging through threads to delete his posts. After all these years of getting his ass handed to him it's pretty clear who and what he is to anyone who even reads just a little of what he posts. Especially recently with Ursus, Psy and a few anons that have just PWND him so completely. And succinctly. They manage to point out his absurdities without going too personal. They've been short and to the point in not getting distracted by the need to win the pissing contest.
What's that saying Ginger's so fond of? The net views censorship as [something] and routes around it.
I am fine with deleting anon posts with absurd generalities like “ programs are great,” “yes I understand so and so program was abducting and torturing kids a year ago..but that's ancient history” and that the human beings murdered by a program are "data points" that make programs today even safer… in such grat bumber that these "points" flood this forum and make discussion impossible....
I am not sure why this forum does not allow images (am I right about that?) but will not stop something that is so much more destructive.
My 02 cents, and other clichés softening my bossiness ?
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It goes like this.
Porn disturbs parents - so it is censored.
WhoSpam disturbs survivors - so it is allowed.
Any questions?
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It goes like this.
Porn disturbs parents - so it is censored.
WhoSpam disturbs survivors - so it is allowed.
Any questions?
The porn postings got out of hand for a while. It got to where you couldn't open a thread in a public place (like work) without being bombarded by scat porn images. I"m no prude and I'm not offended by it in the least, but it made the threads a bit tedious to sort through. That was the only complaint I had. There were suggestions of Firefox's adblock. Is that viable alternative for folks?
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I agree - I have no problem with porn but for the love of god - that shit was out of control.
Firefox solution was a pain in the ass for me. I gave up on it.
Can't postings with images automatically be sent to a "to be reviewed/view at own risk thread" until a moderator green lights it for public consumption?
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I agree - I have no problem with porn but for the love of god - that shit was out of control.
Firefox solution was a pain in the ass for me. I gave up on it.
Can't postings with images automatically be sent to a "to be reviewed/view at own risk thread" until a moderator green lights it for public consumption?
Having a moderator 'green light' it defeats the purpose of it being free. Although I wouldn't mind something along the lines of what FARK has, similar to your 'view at own risk' idea. An "NSFW" (not safe for work) tag on it so the reader can opt to either click it or not. Is something like that possible?
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I agree - I have no problem with porn but for the love of god - that shit was out of control.
Firefox solution was a pain in the ass for me. I gave up on it.
Can't postings with images automatically be sent to a "to be reviewed/view at own risk thread" until a moderator green lights it for public consumption?
Having a moderator 'green light' it defeats the purpose of it being free. Although I wouldn't mind something along the lines of what FARK has, similar to your 'view at own risk' idea. An "NSFW" (not safe for work) tag on it so the reader can opt to either click it or not. Is something like that possible?
FORNITS management, this ^^^ please
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he'll just register another account or start harrassing people as a guest. Don't waste your hard earned money unless there is a guarantee that he won't ever come back!
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Yep. That's the part I don't think most people are getting. There is no way to effectively ban him and I really don't think Ginger or anyone else wants to spend their time digging through threads to delete his posts. After all these years of getting his ass handed to him it's pretty clear who and what he is to anyone who even reads just a little of what he posts. Especially recently with Ursus, Psy and a few anons that have just PWND him so completely. And succinctly. They manage to point out his absurdities without going too personal. They've been short and to the point in not getting distracted by the need to win the pissing contest.
What's that saying Ginger's so fond of? The net views censorship as [something] and routes around it.
Of course you can't fucking ban him; any idiot realizes this. Jesus fucking Xist. The suggestion was not to ban him, but to implement some mawfukkin' cyber-guerilla tactics against him. Fuck. Does anyone here really listen? All I said to try if so inclined was for admins to delete one of his posts here and there (let Ginger not do it then if she doesn't feel like it); other admins can do it just for the fun of it, when they feel like it, just to show that FORNITS has no respect for his fucking LIES. If he never knows when to expect this, he may think twice before wasting his time again here. You never know until you try....
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Or maybe yous (yenz) secretly don't want him to go away because then there would be no one left to argue with. :wall: :D
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Its all a moot point anyway. Ursus just bid $90 and will probably take effect when Psy gets back. You will have to deal with other parents after that. I wont be here to hold up that end.
Never understood why everyone got so upset. There is no flooding. I pretty much respond "once" to each post that responds to me or that I have an interest in. I rarely double post and If I do I go back and delete it if I can.
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Or maybe yous (yenz) secretly don't want him to go away because then there would be no one left to argue with. :wall: :D
You keep saying that but you spend an awful lot of time here yourself.
::poke:: :D
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hence my fictional character theory.
drama = traffic
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Its all a moot point anyway. Ursus just bid $90 and will probably take effect when Psy gets back.
Couldn't go to a better choice.
There is no flooding. I pretty much respond "once" to each post that responds to me or that I have an interest in. I rarely double post and If I do I go back and delete it if I can.
And that's one more statement that proves you are indeed a big, fat liar.
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Its all a moot point anyway. Ursus just bid $90 and will probably take effect when Psy gets back. You will have to deal with other parents after that. I wont be here to hold up that end.
Never understood why everyone got so upset. There is no flooding. I pretty much respond "once" to each post that responds to me or that I have an interest in. I rarely double post and If I do I go back and delete it if I can.
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wait, so a new "parent" will be around here to post the same thing 50 times a day?
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There is no flooding. I pretty much respond "once" to each post that responds to me or that I have an interest in. I rarely double post and If I do I go back and delete it if I can.
And that's one more statement that proves you are indeed a big, fat liar.
[citation needed]
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Or maybe yous (yenz) secretly don't want him to go away because then there would be no one left to argue with. :wall: :D
You keep saying that but you spend an awful lot of time here yourself.
::poke:: :D
So...most of it ain't spent going around the ol' mulberry bush with Whooter.....what's your point?
Don't have one? Thought so. :P
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drama = traffic
Exactly. :moon:
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It goes like this.
Porn disturbs parents - so it is censored.
WhoSpam disturbs survivors - so it is allowed.
Any questions?
Nope, you're fuckin' dead on, mate.
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Of course you can't fucking ban him; any idiot realizes this. Jesus fucking Xist. The suggestion was not to ban him, but to implement some mawfukkin' cyber-guerilla tactics against him. Fuck. Does anyone here really listen? All I said to try if so inclined was for admins to delete one of his posts here and there (let Ginger not do it then if she doesn't feel like it); other admins can do it just for the fun of it, when they feel like it, just to show that FORNITS has no respect for his fucking LIES. If he never knows when to expect this, he may think twice before wasting his time again here. You never know until you try....
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So...most of it ain't spent going around the ol' mulberry bush with Whooter.....what's your point?
That's right. What you post is so much more productive.
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Why does this bother you so much?
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TheWho will just come back as Pink Floyd.
Nah, I think he would come back as "the Guess who"...LMAO! :rasta:
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drama = traffic
Exactly. :moon:
Ummm, correct me if I'm wrong here but isn't that a good thing? Haven't people been complaining of the small amount of traffic lately?
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Ummm, correct me if I'm wrong here but isn't that a good thing? Haven't people been complaining of the small amount of traffic lately?
:D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D
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It goes like this.
Porn disturbs parents - so it is censored.
WhoSpam disturbs survivors - so it is allowed.
Any questions?
Nope, you're fuckin' dead on, mate.
That is really really true. CAN WE DO SOMETHING ABOUT THIS PRETTY PLEASE?
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So...most of it ain't spent going around the ol' mulberry bush with Whooter.....what's your point?
That's right. What you post is so much more productive.
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Why does this bother you so much?
Why does what bother me so much? People arguing with Who? I don't know, it doesn't, really, not when people are good at it -- I even complimented someone on their skills in this dept recently, perhaps you missed that.
No, curious anon biznatch, what bothers me is when I say something like "Or maybe you secretly don't want him to go away because then there would be no one left to argue with" and someone (like you) gets their panties in a bunch over it to the point where they have to comment to ME that I 'spend a lot of time here myself' in reply to that. What crap; I doubt the person I complimented would have made a jerky, needling remark like that simply because I state the truth that it seems that some people just looove to get on their damn soapboxes all the damn time and argue with that schmuck....
And let me guess- you're one of the people who thinks deleting his posts is a bad idea....am I right? Eh?
Get real.
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Why is this auction being dragged on for so long? I'm beginning to sympathize with the theory that TheWho is just a web traffic ploy. ::puke::
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So...most of it ain't spent going around the ol' mulberry bush with Whooter.....what's your point?
That's right. What you post is so much more productive.
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Why does this bother you so much?
Why does what bother me so much? People arguing with Who? I don't know, it doesn't, really, not when people are good at it -- I even complimented someone on their skills in this dept recently, perhaps you missed that.
No, curious anon biznatch, what bothers me is when I say something like "Or maybe you secretly don't want him to go away because then there would be no one left to argue with" and someone (like you) gets their panties in a bunch over it to the point where they have to comment to ME that I 'spend a lot of time here myself' in reply to that. What crap; I doubt the person I complimented would have made a jerky, needling remark like that simply because I state the truth that it seems that some people just looove to get on their damn soapboxes all the damn time and argue with that schmuck....
And let me guess- you're one of the people who thinks deleting his posts is a bad idea....am I right? Eh?
Get real.
Whoa, Frod, I have never seen you write this much before. Calm down, your gonna break something.
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Whoa, Frod, I have never seen you write this much before. Calm down, your gonna break something.
:D :D :wall: :smashcomp: ::poke:: :blabla: :moon: :bs: :D :sue: :D :D :rasta: :jerry:
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Now..... imagine that is your father.
*shudder* ::puke:: ::OMG:: :cry: :'(
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Now..... imagine that is your father.
*shudder* ::puke:: ::OMG:: :cry: :'(
I personally doubt it has any kids or family. It is a pretty warped customer.
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OK. so I was away in normandy for a week. Where are we on the auction?
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I retract my bid.
I will replace this bid ($90).
Done. Going once to Ursus for 90 dollars.
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hence my fictional character theory.
drama = traffic
It's "traffic" yes, but it's very high "noise", very low "signal". I'd rather have high quality low volume discussion than pages and pages of babbling with a tireless troll, personally.
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It goes like this.
Porn disturbs parents - so it is censored.
No. Porn isn't censored. All image posting is simply not allowed. It you wish to link to a porn picture / scat porn / shock image, post a URL so people have an idea what they're going to look at.
WhoSpam disturbs survivors - so it is allowed.
And the solution is similar to the porn. Choose to put him on your "foes" list, and you won't see his posts.
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Why is this auction being dragged on for so long?
Because I was in normandy on vacation last week.
I'm beginning to sympathize with the theory that TheWho is just a web traffic ploy. ::puke::
More web traffic costs more money.
Also relevant:
posting.php?mode=quote&f=22&p=316820#pr316871 (http://www.fornits.com/phpbb/posting.php?mode=quote&f=22&p=316820#pr316871)
As to the auction. Going once to Ursus for 90 dollars.
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Psy, your input on this inane bullshit has been missed; welcome back!
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I've been gone for a week too, but I doubt my input has been missed! Anyhow, anyway, what's up? Did The Who's account get auctioned off yet? Should I be scared? What's really going on?!!!!! Will we be alerted when it's the new Who? Just curious.
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This isn't the first thread that the moderators created to stoke more endless who drama. It was the moderators who placed TheWho's identity up for auction a while ago, and nothing ever came of that accept publicly accusing the wrong guy.
TheWho was banned already for flooding or commercial spam, but then he was allowed back when the current moderators took over.
I had a feeling this auction would drag on forever and then end with TheWho still here, and more people pissed off after realizing the futility of trying to have a serious discussion on this forum.
There is a reason why this forum is so slow, pity the people in charge can't seem to figure out why.
If you think TheWho is going to leave after this auction, if it ever ends, I have a bridge to sell you. Now TheWho can have yet another big laugh at the expense of those who try to take this forum seriously, when he posts under his new name. He has been the center of attention on this forum now for a long time, and this type of stunt only exacerbates that, which is his goal.
I can already see the moderators coming in, and saying well what would you do about it other than complain. Answer: I would of left him banned the first time.
Please don't start with the "we don't censor" bullshit. Posters have been censored, threatened, banned and had their identities posted on this forum and so the high and mighty "we are better than programs for allowing free speech" argument rings hollow.
:sue:
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This isn't the first thread that the moderators created to stoke more endless who drama. It was the moderators who placed TheWho's identity up for auction a while ago, and nothing ever came of that accept publicly accusing the wrong guy.
TheWho was banned already for flooding or commercial spam, but then he was allowed back when the current moderators took over.
I had a feeling this auction would drag on forever and then end with TheWho still here, and more people pissed off after realizing the futility of trying to have a serious discussion on this forum.
There is a reason why this forum is so slow, pity the people in charge can't seem to figure out why.
If you think TheWho is going to leave after this auction, if it ever ends, I have a bridge to sell you. Now TheWho can have yet another big laugh at the expense of those who try to take this forum seriously, when he posts under his new name. He has been the center of attention on this forum now for a long time, and this type of stunt only exacerbates that, which is his goal.
I can already see the moderators coming in, and saying well what would you do about it other than complain. Answer: I would of left him banned the first time.
Please don't start with the "we don't censor" bullshit. Posters have been censored, threatened, banned and had their identities posted on this forum and so the high and mighty "we are better than programs for allowing free speech" argument rings hollow.
:sue:
What would you have this forum do differently?
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I can already see the moderators coming in, and saying well what would you do about it other than complain. Answer: I would of left him banned the first time.
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TheWho already has a substitute account.
memberlist.php?mode=viewprofile&u=4500 (http://www.fornits.com/wwf/memberlist.php?mode=viewprofile&u=4500)
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Please don't start with the "we don't censor" bullshit. Posters have been censored, threatened, banned and had their identities posted on this forum and so the high and mighty "we are better than programs for allowing free speech" argument rings hollow.
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WELL SAID!!
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A couple comments:
First off: the decision to un-ban TheWho was a unanimous one between ginger, myself, and kelly. On examination, we found that Deborah's definition of "flooding" did not fit with an accepted technical definition. There were other reasons, but that was the main one. If he were considered to be "flooding" then so would be many other posters who posted as anon most of, if not all of the time.
Secondly: a bounty was put on TheWho's identity a while ago. That means posters would pay somebody who knew who he was and outed him. This would not be an outing by the "mods"/"admins" but by somebody who personally knew him and could confirm his identity somehow (for example, a coworker, employee, or even his wife).
Thirdly: posters have never been censored (with a rare eception of once where there was a flooding of porn and the respective posts were moved to a "grand unified gay porn" thread in the open free-for-all). Now all image posting is disabled, which removes the human decision of what to censor, and thus it's not censorship, but a blanket change in functionality. Posters have been threatened and/or outed, but only by other posters, not the administration (eg: Ajax13 was "outed", presumably by AARC... Kevin's daughter's info was posted on the forum, presumably by PV). In that case, it's a difficult decision not to censor, but those respective posts still remain on the forum. We don't censor here without a court order to take something down, period. Ginger will not allow it, and the buck has always and (FSM willing) will always stop there.
Fourthly: If the forum was slow because of the Who, that would constitute flooding in the accepted technical definition and he would be banned. Sadly, that is not the case. The forum was slow because we were on shared hosting and somebody else who was using the same shared server was hogging all the resources. Now we're on a (more expensive) virtual private server with guaranteed system resources. The forum shouldn't be having any problems in the future.
Fifthly:
TheWho already has a substitute account.
http://www.fornits.com/wwf/memberlist.p ... ile&u=4500 (http://www.fornits.com/wwf/memberlist.php?mode=viewprofile&u=4500)
It's not TheWho's account, or a substitute one. it's an imitator, like ThéWho.
If TheWho keeps his word, he'll stay off the forum. That's really the best anybody can hope for. Banning him has not worked anyhow. He uses proxies, and when we banned the entire range (no doubt with collateral damage to legit posters), switched to dialup. It's futile to try and ban him on a forum where guest posting is allowed and all that is required to get around a "ban" is to switch IPs. The most anybody can hope for is if he keeps his word to stay off.
Back to the auction.....
Going once to Ursus for 90 dollars.
At the current VPS settings, that will last us for three problem free months.
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A couple comments:
First off: the decision to un-ban TheWho was a unanimous one between ginger, myself, and kelly. On examination, we found that Deborah's definition of "flooding" did not fit with an accepted technical definition.
Ginger banned the Who at a third party's request. How do you benefit from continuing to blame Deborah? What about the truth is unacceptable?
viewtopic.php?p=285191#p285191 (http://fornits.com/phpbb/viewtopic.php?p=285191#p285191)
Thirdly: We don't censor here without a court order to take something down, period.
viewtopic.php?p=316915#p316915 (http://fornits.com/phpbb/viewtopic.php?p=316915#p316915)
And you don't lie either....
Kevin's daughter's info was posted on the forum, presumably by PV.
:bs:
If TheWho keeps his word, he'll stay off the forum.
HaHaHa Right.
Back in the day, Fornits didn't have to scam people for money to keep the site running. They were happy to donate to the cause. If you need money, you should charge Who a user fee, not rip off regulars. This site revolves around Who. He ain't goin anywhere until it's completely destroyed.
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Back in the day, Fornits didn't have to scam people for money to keep the site running. They were happy to donate to the cause.
I was the one that suggested this, on my own. You don’t have to get involved if you don’t want to. No one is forcing you to bid. Like you said you can donate the way you use to. Here is a link for you:
Donate to fornits (http://http://www.dreamhost.com/donate.cgi?id=10300)
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Thirdly: We don't censor here without a court order to take something down, period.
http://fornits.com/phpbb/viewtopic.php?p=316915#p316915 (http://fornits.com/phpbb/viewtopic.php?p=316915#p316915)
I don't see any censorship there. I see a post which refers a few postings quoting TheWho. I'm not seeing any censorship there. Only strange thing is a bit of messed up formatting, but that is most likely a conversion issue. Plus: There is no "history file" as TheWho refers to (i'm not sure what he was referring to. Maybe he can elaborate). The only thing remotely like that would be the chat history. Otherwise, what you see is what you get.
If you feel this auction is somehow a "scam", simply don't participate. TheWho offered to auction off his account with the proceeds going to fornits, Ginger and myself accepted (as he pointed out above).
Going twice to Ursus for 90 dollars. Final chance to nab his account...
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A couple comments:
First off: the decision to un-ban TheWho was a unanimous one between ginger, myself, and kelly. On examination, we found that Deborah's definition of "flooding" did not fit with an accepted technical definition.
Ginger banned the Who at a third party's request. How do you benefit from continuing to blame Deborah? What about the truth is unacceptable?
viewtopic.php?p=285191#p285191 (http://fornits.com/phpbb/viewtopic.php?p=285191#p285191)
Thirdly: We don't censor here without a court order to take something down, period.
viewtopic.php?p=316915#p316915 (http://fornits.com/phpbb/viewtopic.php?p=316915#p316915)
And you don't lie either....
Kevin's daughter's info was posted on the forum, presumably by PV.
:bs:
If TheWho keeps his word, he'll stay off the forum.
HaHaHa Right.
Back in the day, Fornits didn't have to scam people for money to keep the site running. They were happy to donate to the cause. If you need money, you should charge Who a user fee, not rip off regulars. This site revolves around Who. He ain't goin anywhere until it's completely destroyed.
Not only does Psy b.s. about who posted her info, he b.S.es enough to fertilize a field of corn about Kevin's posting CCM's info-by exploiting info he had access to as mod.
So, fornits is so dedicated to free speech, you can threaten a survivor with the 5-0 cause you have her "address," humiliate her with details you got from her "arrest record," and do it cause you're a nut with a hate-crush and access to I.P.s and P.M.s, and continue to manage here!
Aint' that a peach? Hallowed be the free speech respect.
But whatevs. I was repulsed, stopped posting, started posting here intermittently here (now only through Fort Knox level protection) and with confliction.
But thats what happens when you don't run your own forum, and until you do, you have to put up with it. I will always be glad this site exists, and if it was ever in danger of folding, i'd donate my blood to keep it breathing.
Advance apologies about the hepatitis B.
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I wish this shit would just be put to rest once and for all; talk about a hackneyed topic... ::deadhorse::
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A survivors pic and info was posted by former staffer and moderator che gookin, who posted as "Wwasp survivor". Psy threatened to call the police on a shoutbox user, and that same day banned several different shoutbox guests, and then all guests from the shoutbox. Someone made an account called "psy." to satirize him, just like people impersonate TheWho, but that account was promptly deleted. So it's okay to make an account called "TheWho." to impersonate him, but you can't do it to the mods. Threats, censorship, bans and double standards - welcome to fornits.
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Ok, so maybe this is all true, but where to go from here?
Or we just keep bitching about it ad infinitum?
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Not only does Psy b.s. about who posted her info, he b.S.es enough to fertilize a field of corn about Kevin's posting CCM's info-by exploiting info he had access to as mod.
Zen never had access to any IP address information or PMs (which nobody has access to, btw, admins included), which, even if he did, would not have given him access to anything. Even if he was able to use publicly available channels to find CCM's info (such as her name, which she posted publicly previously), nobody has ever been able to present evidence (other than anonymous allegations) that he ever "outed" CCM on the forum. It's really that simple, and I'm not going to hang somebody out to dry without hard evidence, no matter who they are. It's not always what I would like to do, but that doesn't matter. In the position of an admin here on fornits, it's about what I am required to do to maintain the neutrality of the forum itself and user's confidence in their privacy, and freedom from censorship and/or tyranny of the administration.
Another practical note: If it were to become widely known that this forum wasn't a safe place for anybody to post anonymously without such concerns as detailed above, staff wouldn't post here anymore. Sure, in a way that might be good, since staff wouldn't come back to harass survivors, but in another way, it woundnt' be so good since some staff come to Fornits to leak inside information and give tips on what's going on (EG: recent staff postings from HLA and Benchmark). All in all, it's better for the forum to be as neutral as a piece of paper.
Going twice to Ursus for 90 dollars. Final chance to nab his account...
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A survivors pic and info was posted by former staffer and moderator che gookin, who posted as "Wwasp survivor". Psy threatened to call the police on a shoutbox user, and that same day banned several different shoutbox guests, and then all guests from the shoutbox. Someone made an account called "psy." to satirize him, just like people impersonate TheWho, but that account was promptly deleted. So it's okay to make an account called "TheWho." to impersonate him, but you can't do it to the mods. Threats, censorship, bans and double standards - welcome to fornits.
These postings are starting to more and more resemble political attack ads. Very little truth in them, and where it is true, it's only half the story or completely taken out of context. This stuff has been addressed before, and I don't feel like wasting my time adressing it again.
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Psy edited out this part of his post, wonder why...
"I wouldn't believe everything CCM says. Maybe you're a WWASP survivor, and thus inclined to believe her more, but there was a girl in Benchmark who claimed that she was in a F5 tornado, that her brother tried to kill her with a motorcycle, and that her father worked in the west wing (among other things, which weren't true). Would I believe a word out of her mouth? Probably not."
Some of us saw the post in question, and even if you didn't, all you have to do is read the thread and it's obvious what went down. These mods seem more interested in covering up for each other than the truth. Now he's questioning the truthfulness of survivors just like TheWho does, absolutely disgusting. The post existed as it was quoted, he did indeed out CCM girl.
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Psy edited out this part of his post, wonder why...
Because I re-read it and realized it could be taken the wrong way. It was mean of me to say, anyhow, so I apologize to CCM if she was offended.
Going twice to Ursus for 90 dollars. Final chance to nab his account...
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A survivors pic and info was posted by former staffer and moderator che gookin, who posted as "Wwasp survivor". Psy threatened to call the police on a shoutbox user, and that same day banned several different shoutbox guests, and then all guests from the shoutbox. Someone made an account called "psy." to satirize him, just like people impersonate TheWho, but that account was promptly deleted. So it's okay to make an account called "TheWho." to impersonate him, but you can't do it to the mods. Threats, censorship, bans and double standards - welcome to fornits.
Anybody else notice that these sorts of bullshit posts come up whenever a Sue Scheff related thread gets posted on the forum?
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Psy edited out this part of his post, wonder why...
Because I re-read it and realized it could be taken the wrong way. It was mean of me to say, anyhow, so I apologize to CCM if she was offended.
Imagine how it sounds to people who know for a fact, 100%, that she is telling the truth. Some of us saw the post in question, and were in the thread as it was happening, and know exactly what happened. In that context, you come off just as bad as TheWho.
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Psy edited out this part of his post, wonder why...
Because I re-read it and realized it could be taken the wrong way. It was mean of me to say, anyhow, so I apologize to CCM if she was offended.
Imagine how it sounds to people who know for a fact, 100%, that she is telling the truth. Some of us saw the post in question, and were in the thread as it was happening, and know exactly what happened. In that context, you come off just as bad as TheWho.
Well. If you were willing to "testify" to that (i.e. come forward as who you actually are), then maybe there would be some evidence that Zen did out CCM (however, I doubt you're willing to, since you could be a poster from PV, for all I know). That still doesn't prove (and could not, since it's not possible) that zen "abused" his mod privs to do it (which do not include, and never have included, access to personal information, including IP addresses and absolutely not PMs, which nobody has access to).
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Well. If you were willing to "testify" to that (i.e. come forward as who you actually are), then maybe there would be some evidence that Zen did out CCM (however, I doubt you're willing to, since you could be a poster from PV, for all I know). That still doesn't prove (and could not, since it's not possible) that zen "abused" his mod privs to do it (which do not include, and never have included, access to personal information, including IP addresses).
I never claimed he used his moderating powers to use her IP to out her. I am not the only guest posting about this, nor did I bring this subject up in this thread. I am just someone who saw the post as it happened, and the one who quoted it for everyone to see before he deleted it, I know 100% it happened. He explained how he found out her info, he used her myspace and her name to search and then pull her arrest record, he probably payed to have a background check done online. What bothers me is fornits tolerates having a moderator that posts a survivors name, husbands name, city and state, and then says he has her arrest record and is going to post all of her info if she doesn't stop posting. It was blackmail.
But what bothers me even more, is that survivors have been threatened to have cops called on them, censored and banned from speaking in the shoutbox, and yet when theWho laughs at sexual abuse victims, and mocks them for months on end the "free speech" argument comes up. So if you say kids need to do what they need to do to escape sadistic murderous staff, you get the police called on you and laughed at, but if you're theWho and you mock survivors of horrible abuse in open public you are rewarded with thread after thread of the sort of attention he wants?
Call it now, theWho won.
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Back in the day, Fornits didn't have to scam people for money to keep the site running. They were happy to donate to the cause.
"The cause" has become more expensive: everything is more expensive these days. Perhaps there haven't been enough donations? This isn't a "scam;" it was meant in good humor.
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Well. If you were willing to "testify" to that (i.e. come forward as who you actually are), then maybe there would be some evidence that Zen did out CCM (however, I doubt you're willing to, since you could be a poster from PV, for all I know). That still doesn't prove (and could not, since it's not possible) that zen "abused" his mod privs to do it (which do not include, and never have included, access to personal information, including IP addresses).
I never claimed he used his moderating powers to use her IP to out her. I am not the only guest posting about this, nor did I bring this subject up in this thread. I am just someone who saw the post as it happened, and the one who quoted it for everyone to see before he deleted it, I know 100% it happened. He explained how he found out her info, he used her myspace and her name to search and then pull her arrest record, he probably payed to have a background check done online. What bothers me is fornits tolerates having a moderator that posts a survivors name, husbands name, city and state, and then says he has her arrest record and is going to post all of her info if she doesn't stop posting. It was blackmail.
But what bothers me even more, is that survivors have been threatened to have cops called on them, censored and banned from speaking in the shoutbox, and yet when theWho laughs at sexual abuse victims, and mocks them for months on end the "free speech" argument comes up. So if you say kids need to do what they need to do to escape sadistic murderous staff, you get the police called on you and laughed at, but if you're theWho and you mock survivors of horrible abuse in open public you are rewarded with thread after thread of the sort of attention he wants?
Call it now, theWho won.
For 3 or more years now I have never seen anyone get pissed or threaten to ban people for laughing at staff or parents. Hell we had an admin who use to post pictures of kids who worked for boarding schools and make fun of them for all their families to watch. Yet no one blinked. I have seen parents laughed off the forum for trying to explain how well their family was doing. But not one person came forward and asked for that person to be kicked off the forum, why is that?
Why is it so different when a survivor gets kicked around a little?
On a harshness scale I would say I am a “4” compared to many here….. anyone who has been here for awhile know what I mean.
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TheWho does serve one purpose, a reminder that as fucked up as my own parents were, at least they are not so pathetic to troll an abuse forum, mocking the death of children initiated by their parents. If thewho really is a parent, I weep for his daughter.
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Neverfuckingmind, I don't care...
You all can continue your little shit-fest... have fun. ::unhappy::
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Posters have been threatened and/or outed, but only by other posters, not the administration (eg: Ajax13 was "outed", presumably by AARC...
Oh come on, you know that is not true. Weren't you the admin when you said this?
[Today at 04:36:00 PM] guest-6d53: kids should take out staff then free themsleves from bondage
[Today at 04:36:21 PM] guest-6d53: they should do what they need to do
[Today at 04:40:44 PM] psy: Look. If you're publicly promiting comitting violent acts, i'll have to check what my legal responsibilities are. I might have to report this to the appropriate authorities.
[Today at 04:43:14 PM] psy: oh... I'm just saying that I might have to take that IP address, poster 6d53, and give it to the authorities... I doubt they'd interpret "rise up and take them out" as anything other than what you stated it to be.
[Today at 03:52:33 PM] psy: yeah... and they can't read this since I banned em from reading and posting... so he/she is probably biting nails, wondering if the cops are comign.. lol
[Today at 03:53:13 PM] psy: Oh.. i could have actually called the cops... lol
http://fornits.com/phpbb/viewtopic.php? ... 3&p=306519 (http://fornits.com/phpbb/viewtopic.php?f=22&t=24903&p=306519)
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TheWho does serve one purpose, a reminder that as fucked up as my own parents were, at least they are not so pathetic to troll an abuse forum, mocking the death of children initiated by their parents. If thewho really is a parent, I weep for his daughter.
Oh No!!, we are all posting on an abuse forum Ha,Ha,Ha. Someone should notify the rest. Thought this was an "open forum" about the Troubled Teen Industry. We think you must be lost.
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Oh No!!, we are all posting on an abuse forum Ha,Ha,Ha. Someone should notify the rest. Thought this was an "open forum" about the Troubled Teen Industry. We think you must be lost.
^^^^ Delete this post ^^^^
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Why is it so different when a survivor gets kicked around a little?
Because they have already been "kicked around" too much already.
The distribution of power is uneven in the real world. Adolescents have basically none. Maybe that is as it should be, since they are still technically children, but society's responsibilities that go hand in hand with that power have not been duly acknowledged. And the power itself has been abused.
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TheWho does serve one purpose, a reminder that as fucked up as my own parents were, at least they are not so pathetic to troll an abuse forum, mocking the death of children initiated by their parents. If thewho really is a parent, I weep for his daughter.
Oh No!!, we are all posting on an abuse forum Ha,Ha,Ha. Someone should notify the rest. Thought this was an "open forum" about the Troubled Teen Industry. We think you must be lost.
Another thoughtful reminder of how grateful I should be that my parents, for all their faults, at least have better things to do than troll an abuse forum. I thank you God for that, because if my parents acted like this, I would have to shoot myself.
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@reality check: I thought that was Milk in the chat box.
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TheWho does serve one purpose, a reminder that as fucked up as my own parents were, at least they are not so pathetic to troll an abuse forum, mocking the death of children initiated by their parents. If thewho really is a parent, I weep for his daughter.
Oh No!!, we are all posting on an abuse forum Ha,Ha,Ha. Someone should notify the rest. Thought this was an "open forum" about the Troubled Teen Industry. We think you must be lost.
Weird. Thewho keeps saying "we" even when saying so makes no sense in the context of his sentence, even when he's trying to disguise his identity by posting anon.
I really think his involuntary "we" ing is indicative of loss of normative mental functioniing induced by long term exposure to Synanon, Lifespring/step, EST (Werner Erhard) Steve Laird, Rudy Bentz cultic manipulations.
He said he was at Academy at Swift River when Marcus was writing his book, but has thus far, refused to specify in what capacity he was present.
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I don't see any censorship there. I see a post which refers a few postings quoting TheWho. I'm not seeing any censorship there. Only strange thing is a bit of messed up formatting, but that is most likely a conversion issue.
Yeh, prolly a "conversion issue".....Not. :bs:
viewtopic.php?p=285001#p285001 (http://fornits.com/phpbb/viewtopic.php?p=285001#p285001)
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You all can continue your little shit-fest... have fun. ::unhappy::
mmm...scat
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TheWho does serve one purpose, a reminder that as fucked up as my own parents were, at least they are not so pathetic to troll an abuse forum, mocking the death of children initiated by their parents. If thewho really is a parent, I weep for his daughter.
Awwww, so your parents finally called you on all your BS and you blew off your one final chance and now they are the bad guys… BooHooHooo. “Oh, I am innocent and never did anything wrong, please you must believe me, my parents are the evil ones”
You haven’t changed much. You still cant take any personal responsibility. You may not be but your family is much better off, believe me someone benefitted from you stay.
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Well. If you were willing to "testify" to that (i.e. come forward as who you actually are), then maybe there would be some evidence that Zen did out CCM (however, I doubt you're willing to, since you could be a poster from PV, for all I know). That still doesn't prove (and could not, since it's not possible) that zen "abused" his mod privs to do it (which do not include, and never have included, access to personal information, including IP addresses).
I never claimed he used his moderating powers to use her IP to out her. I am not the only guest posting about this, nor did I bring this subject up in this thread. I am just someone who saw the post as it happened, and the one who quoted it for everyone to see before he deleted it, I know 100% it happened. He explained how he found out her info, he used her myspace and her name to search and then pull her arrest record, he probably payed to have a background check done online. What bothers me is fornits tolerates having a moderator that posts a survivors name, husbands name, city and state, and then says he has her arrest record and is going to post all of her info if she doesn't stop posting. It was blackmail.
And again, simply put: there is no evidence that any of that ever happened. This is not a program where a person is punished for rumor, heresay and/or speculation... regardless of who he or she is, what he or she has said, or what his or her opinions are.
Going twice to Ursus for 90 dollars. Final chance to nab his account...
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TheWho does serve one purpose, a reminder that as fucked up as my own parents were, at least they are not so pathetic to troll an abuse forum, mocking the death of children initiated by their parents. If thewho really is a parent, I weep for his daughter.
Awwww, so your parents finally called you on all your BS and you blew off your one final chance and now they are the bad guys… BooHooHooo. “Oh, I am innocent and never did anything wrong, please you must believe me, my parents are the evil ones”
You haven’t changed much. You still cant take any personal responsibility. You may not be but your family is much better off, believe me someone benefitted from you stay.
Sue Sceff, Steve Laird,Rudy or Jill Bentz, or that lovely Cedu enthusiast Annie Hall is in the forest
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TheWho does serve one purpose, a reminder that as fucked up as my own parents were, at least they are not so pathetic to troll an abuse forum, mocking the death of children initiated by their parents. If thewho really is a parent, I weep for his daughter.
Awwww, so your parents finally called you on all your BS and you blew off your one final chance and now they are the bad guys… BooHooHooo. “Oh, I am innocent and never did anything wrong, please you must believe me, my parents are the evil ones”
You haven’t changed much. You still cant take any personal responsibility. You may not be but your family is much better off, believe me someone benefitted from you stay.
Ha,Ha,Ha I am going to miss this place. Cant wait to hear it though "Oh, no someone disrespected a survivor" it must be Sue S. thewho or Diane Keaton. They are the only ones who would do something like that. Everyone else respects us.
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TheWho does serve one purpose, a reminder that as fucked up as my own parents were, at least they are not so pathetic to troll an abuse forum, mocking the death of children initiated by their parents. If thewho really is a parent, I weep for his daughter.
Oh No!!, we are all posting on an abuse forum Ha,Ha,Ha. Someone should notify the rest. Thought this was an "open forum" about the Troubled Teen Industry. We think you must be lost.
Another thoughtful reminder of how grateful I should be that my parents, for all their faults, at least have better things to do than troll an abuse forum. I thank you God for that, because if my parents acted like this, I would have to shoot myself.
Tragic thought that, no? A kid in those shoes--whose parent buys into the program so strongly, and invests so much energy into that--probably could never tell that parent just what program was really like...
And who knows what really happened, maybe something did; maybe Rudy Bentz just couldn't help himself from reenacting that old Bentz witchcraft, that crap he is so infamous for.
What's that kid gonna do?
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And again, simply put: there is no evidence that any of that ever happened. This is not a program where a person is punished for rumor, heresay and/or speculation... regardless of who he or she is, what he or she has said, or what his or her opinions are.
The problem with that is, people saw the post, and so every time you repeat this, you are lying. Before I wasn't so sure it's intentional, but seeing how you just fibbed about admins not threatening posters, I suspect at this point you think lying is an acceptable compromise in keeping the appearance of forum integrity intact. Like you said, if posters do not trust this forum is safe to post on anonymously, they wont, and they haven't been... for good reason.
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@reality check: I thought that was Milk in the chat box.
Nah, it was a program survivor.
:jerry:
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Tragic thought that, no? A kid in those shoes--whose parent buys into the program so strongly, and invests so much energy into that--probably could never tell that parent just what program was really like...
And who knows what really happened, maybe something did; maybe Rudy Bentz just couldn't help himself from reenacting that old Bentz witchcraft, that crap he is so infamous for.
What's that kid gonna do?
I would bet the farm if Who actually has a kid that went through a program, he keeps his fornits posting secret from them. Wouldn't want her coming on and telling everybody he is full of shit, and she was emotionally or physically molested in the program. The sad part about Who is, he knows very well the tragic and life altering abuse that occurs in programs. He reads fornits all day long, he reads the results of what happens to those who went through programs. He reads in detail about the program murders and abuse, PTSD, nightmares, and suicides. He is not your average ignorant parent who doesn't know. He knows full well, and not only promotes these tragedies to continue, but mocks the people who have lived through them. I can't not even begin to imagine the sort of shame I would feel if my parent acted in this way. At the very least my parent had the decency to say 'if I knew it was like that I wouldn't have done it', and believe me. Most pro program parents who post leave after a short time, because after they read of the extent of abuse from those who experienced it, they realize they were wrong about programs being a safe place. This guy is a saidst, someone who takes pleasure in trolling abuse victims, and makes a special point to comment in threads discussing the murder or death of a child in program. He is a sick person, who has no qualms with using the worst stories of abuse to re-hurt the people who lived through them. This goes way beyond your average program parent, reading his posts makes me sad for humanity. But it's not up to me to judge him, that will happen after he passes away, during his life review, when he will get the chance to see how his actions effect others, and feel the hurt he spreads around this universe. He eminates negative energy, and you can't just turn that off, and people can sense this on a subconcious level. If I were admin I'd rename him "TheBlackHole", because that's all that's left of the soul god gave him.
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TheWho does serve one purpose, a reminder that as fucked up as my own parents were, at least they are not so pathetic to troll an abuse forum, mocking the death of children initiated by their parents. If thewho really is a parent, I weep for his daughter.
Awwww, so your parents finally called you on all your BS and you blew off your one final chance and now they are the bad guys… BooHooHooo. “Oh, I am innocent and never did anything wrong, please you must believe me, my parents are the evil ones”
You haven’t changed much. You still cant take any personal responsibility. You may not be but your family is much better off, believe me someone benefitted from you stay.
If you sincerely mean this, I wouldn't have much of a problem with you being lynched in public. It's posts like this one that should just be deleted, as they are just bullshit at best.
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Sue Sceff, Steve Laird,Rudy or Jill Bentz, or that lovely Cedu enthusiast Annie Hall is in the forest
I'd like to see what some of these shitbags look like (aside from Sue; we already know)...a picture's worth 1000 words.
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TheWho does serve one purpose, a reminder that as fucked up as my own parents were, at least they are not so pathetic to troll an abuse forum, mocking the death of children initiated by their parents. If thewho really is a parent, I weep for his daughter.
Awwww, so your parents finally called you on all your BS and you blew off your one final chance and now they are the bad guys… BooHooHooo. “Oh, I am innocent and never did anything wrong, please you must believe me, my parents are the evil ones”
You haven’t changed much. You still cant take any personal responsibility. You may not be but your family is much better off, believe me someone benefitted from you stay.
Ha,Ha,Ha I am going to miss this place. Cant wait to hear it though "Oh, no someone disrespected a survivor" it must be Sue S. thewho or Diane Keaton. They are the only ones who would do something like that. Everyone else respects us.
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Ha, Ha, Ha!
Not everyone "respects" youth who were abducted, imprisoned and tortured by Steve Laird, Rudy & Jill Bentz, Tim Brace, Mel Wasserman, at Cedu, Boulder Creek, Academy at Swift river, Carlbrook, etc.
But, very, very few endlessly tell these youth, on a message board these youth set up to resolve their trauma, that they received "therapy" while held captive by these cultic organizations because they were "at fault," and how bad they are today because they continue to refuse to "accept that they are at fault."
Very, very few would state that even if the youth were disabled by their "therapy" Ha, ha, ‘cause their parents didn't have to deal with their bad, bad selves for the years they were held captive.
That takes a child-abusing, cult co-opted nut-case. And while those forementioned, are certainly not the only child-abusing, cult co-opted nut-cases, they are among the few that do so publicly.
The rest hide in anonymity like YOU, "parent" who claims witness to Dave Marcus observation of the Academy at Swift River, and has posted here 50xs a day for 4 years, repeating nonsense over and over, refusing to give your name, laughing at testimony of torture, mentioning "your friend’s" involvement with Werner Erhard, and that dead kids are great "data-points" that "we" use to improve programs.
(As a sock-puppet attempting to distract from their crimes, I know it irks you if I invoke names. You like their crimes remaining sub-google, that’s why you refuse to EVEN name a decent “program”—don’t like the attention that generate for said program)
Most hide in anonymity like you, "parent" who was present the entire time Dave MArcus was writing his books about the Academy at Swift River, and has posted here 50xs a day for 4 years, repeating nonsense over and over, refusing to give your name, laughing at kid's testimony of suffering, mentioning "your freind's" involvent with Werner Erhard, and how dead kids are great "data-points" that "we" use to make programs better.
That takes a nut who supports thought coersion
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And again, simply put: there is no evidence that any of that ever happened. This is not a program where a person is punished for rumor, heresay and/or speculation... regardless of who he or she is, what he or she has said, or what his or her opinions are.
The problem with that is, people saw the post, and so every time you repeat this, you are lying. Before I wasn't so sure it's intentional, but seeing how you just fibbed about admins not threatening posters, I suspect at this point you think lying is an acceptable compromise in keeping the appearance of forum integrity intact. Like you said, if posters do not trust this forum is safe to post on anonymously, they wont, and they haven't been... for good reason.
I wish TheWho would stop trusting this forum and hence stop posting.
What a fucking waste this dialogue is.
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That wasn't theWho. That was me, the person who quoted zen's post that outed CCM that started that whole drama. The person who believes with all my heart the only way kids are going to prevent themselves from becoming abuse victims is to stand up and fight their oppressors like the kids who used a frying pan to subdue the staff, and take their car to freedom. Banned, silenced, threatened with police and mocked for having this view, but that will not keep me from expressing it.
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I hear you, but those were intended as two separate statements; my bad.
But yes, otoh, I do think it is pointless to belabor that whole Zen / CCM deal further.
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I totally agree! it's been rehashed and rehashed again. It's just annoying to have an admin of a site state an outright lie, and then claim they are upholding the integrity of this website. I quoted the post, and removed the information to be respectful to CCM, hoping zen would later delete it and since i was posting as guest without the ability to edit, I didn't want to leave that information up forever, hence the XXX's in the post. As far as that drama is concerned, I know what happened, and it's old news to me. But now psy is claiming you can't believe CCM, or any other survivor because he knew a girl in becnhmark that lied? That's just plain absurd, I believe program survivors over parents any day of the week!
He is also lying about admins not threatening posters. He threatened to call the cops on me, then banned me, then laughed about it how I was shaking in my boots waiting for the cops to arrive. All for saying kids need to rise up and fight for their right to not be abused and brainwashed. Now I've seen much worse threats posted on fornits, but the cops were never called on them. I didn't even threaten anyone, I just made a very generic statement. How can people be expected to trust an admin who does things like this? He finds it funny to create fear in a poster who believes the cops are about to knock on the door, and then thinks he can claim fornits is a safe place to post anonymously and that admins never threaten anyone?
Anyone else here smoke tbpitw? Well you better not say the wrong thing to the wrong person, otherwise they will threaten to use your IP to call the cops on you, and then you can end up in an adult program for drug abuse, all thanks to fornits! ABSURD.
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I totally agree! it's been rehashed and rehashed again. It's just annoying to have an admin of a site state an outright lie, and then claim they are upholding the integrity of this website. I quoted the post, and removed the information to be respectful to CCM, hoping zen would later delete it and since i was posting as guest without the ability to edit, I didn't want to leave that information up forever, hence the XXX's in the post. As far as that drama is concerned, I know what happened, and it's old news to me. But now psy is claiming you can't believe CCM, or any other survivor because he knew a girl in becnhmark that lied? That's just plain absurd, I believe program survivors over parents any day of the week!
He is also lying about admins not threatening posters. He threatened to call the cops on me, then banned me, then laughed about it how I was shaking in my boots waiting for the cops to arrive. All for saying kids need to rise up and fight for their right to not be abused and brainwashed. Now I've seen much worse threats posted on fornits, but the cops were never called on them. I didn't even threaten anyone, I just made a very generic statement. How can people be expected to trust an admin who does things like this? He finds it funny to create fear in a poster who believes the cops are about to knock on the door, and then thinks he can claim fornits is a safe place to post anonymously and that admins never threaten anyone?
Anyone else here smoke tbpitw? Well you better not say the wrong thing to the wrong person, otherwise they will threaten to use your IP to call the cops on you, and then you can end up in an adult program for drug abuse, all thanks to fornits! ABSURD.
^^^ i'd guess that's thewho. You work against yourselves, trolls.
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Ha, Ha, Ha!
Not everyone "respects" youth who were abducted, imprisoned and tortured by Steve Laird, Rudy & Jill Bentz, Tim Brace, Mel Wasserman, at Cedu, Boulder Creek, Academy at Swift river, Carlbrook, etc.
But, very, very few endlessly tell these youth, on a message board these youth set up to resolve their trauma, that they received "therapy" while held captive by these cultic organizations because they were "at fault," and how bad they are today because they continue to refuse to "accept that they are at fault."
Very, very few would state that even if the youth were disabled by their "therapy" Ha, ha, ‘cause their parents didn't have to deal with their bad, bad selves for the years they were held captive.
That takes a child-abusing, cult co-opted nut-case. And while those forementioned, are certainly not the only child-abusing, cult co-opted nut-cases, they are among the few that do so publicly.
The rest hide in anonymity like YOU, "parent" who claims witness to Dave Marcus observation of the Academy at Swift River, and has posted here 50xs a day for 4 years, repeating nonsense over and over, refusing to give your name, laughing at testimony of torture, mentioning "your friend’s" involvement with Werner Erhard, and that dead kids are great "data-points" that "we" use to improve programs.
(As a sock-puppet attempting to distract from their crimes, I know it irks you if I invoke names. You like their crimes remaining sub-google, that’s why you refuse to EVEN name a decent “program”—don’t like the attention that generate for said program)
Most hide in anonymity like you, "parent" who was present the entire time Dave MArcus was writing his books about the Academy at Swift River, and has posted here 50xs a day for 4 years, repeating nonsense over and over, refusing to give your name, laughing at kid's testimony of suffering, mentioning "your freind's" involvent with Werner Erhard, and how dead kids are great "data-points" that "we" use to make programs better.
That takes a nut who supports thought coersion
ADS, ADA, LDS, DAS, SDL, ASD etc.I find it hard to believe you can come on to a board like fornits bitching about being placed in a program and blaming your parents after placing them and your whole family at risk. There were young kids in the house and you were carelessly exposing them to your hepB, which you contracted carelessly. You were not attending school or following any of the house rules and exposing the younger kids to your careless lifestyle. Do you think it is a requirement for your parents to keep dragging the rest of the family down to police station after policestation at 3 in the morning to bail your loser ass out of jail... 10...15....50 miles away?
How can you expect to get any sympathy or have any of us believe your parents had any other choice. You should really reconsider your belly aching and finger pointing and start getting control and taking responsibility of your own life.
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^^^ i'd guess that's thewho. You work against yourselves, trolls.
You would be wrong, but assume what you need to. Everything I've said is true and accurate, and I can live with myself knowing that.
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How can people be expected to trust an admin who does things like this? He finds it funny to create fear in a poster who believes the cops are about to knock on the door, and then thinks he can claim fornits is a safe place to post anonymously and that admins never threaten anyone?
At best, you can attribute it to his learning curve. Problem is, he doesn't learn from his mistakes. He still takes the liberty to speak for others when he doesn't know shit about shit. He still has something to prove to Programs, that he's better than them- ensuring that their comments and outings of survivors are protected under free speech, but censoring, blackmailing, threatening survivors.
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Sue Sceff, Steve Laird,Rudy or Jill Bentz, or that lovely Cedu enthusiast Annie Hall is in the forest
I'd like to see what some of these shitbags look like (aside from Sue; we already know)...a picture's worth 1000 words.
This link was posted (http://http://www.fornits.com/phpbb/viewtopic.php?f=9&t=25925&st=0&sk=t&sd=a&start=120#p316846) in the 'Why spend a year in a program when it can be done in week' thread two days ago, contains a pic. Funny, but access to this page, and any mention of him, seems to have been removed from the Rubin Educational Resources website proper. Perhaps he used to work there, but no longer does.
Rubin Educational Resources LLC
Santa Fe Office
2205 Miguel Chavez Road, Suite B
Santa Fe, NM 87505
Tel: 505/989-8910
Fax: 505/989-8906
http://www.rubinedu.com/team/bentz.html (http://www.rubinedu.com/team/bentz.html)
Rudy Bentz, Ed.D.
Director of School and Program Development,
Transition Coach
[li]Over twenty-four years experience in experiential and therapeutic education[/li]
[li]B.A. in Literature[/li]
[li]M.A. in Fine Arts in Creative Writing[/li]
[li]Ed. D. in Educational Leadership[/li]
[li]Developed performing arts program[/li]
[li]Headmaster at two therapeutic boarding schools[/li]
[li]Designed therapeutic programs and in-service trainings[/li]
[li]Developed and facilitated parenting workshops and in-service trainings[/li]
[li]Taught literature, rhetoric, and comparative religion classes[/li]
[li]Consultant for individuals, public and private schools, therapeutic boarding schools, and educational and business organizations[/li]
[li]Facilitated board retreats and mediated administrative/staff disputes for businesses, nonprofits, and schools
Services Provided:[/li]
[li]Transition Coach[/li]
[li]Development of School and Program Models[/li]
[li]Milieu Development[/li]
[li]Accreditation[/li]
[li]Student Profiles[/li]
[li]Workshops[/li]
[li]Trainings[/li]
[li]Retreats[/li]
[li]In-Service Consultations [/li][/list]
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Ha, Ha, Ha!
Not everyone "respects" youth who were abducted, imprisoned and tortured by Steve Laird, Rudy & Jill Bentz, Tim Brace, Mel Wasserman, at Cedu, Boulder Creek, Academy at Swift river, Carlbrook, etc.
But, very, very few endlessly tell these youth, on a message board these youth set up to resolve their trauma, that they received "therapy" while held captive by these cultic organizations because they were "at fault," and how bad they are today because they continue to refuse to "accept that they are at fault."
Very, very few would state that even if the youth were disabled by their "therapy" Ha, ha, ‘cause their parents didn't have to deal with their bad, bad selves for the years they were held captive.
That takes a child-abusing, cult co-opted nut-case. And while those forementioned, are certainly not the only child-abusing, cult co-opted nut-cases, they are among the few that do so publicly.
The rest hide in anonymity like YOU, "parent" who claims witness to Dave Marcus observation of the Academy at Swift River, and has posted here 50xs a day for 4 years, repeating nonsense over and over, refusing to give your name, laughing at testimony of torture, mentioning "your friend’s" involvement with Werner Erhard, and that dead kids are great "data-points" that "we" use to improve programs.
(As a sock-puppet attempting to distract from their crimes, I know it irks you if I invoke names. You like their crimes remaining sub-google, that’s why you refuse to EVEN name a decent “program”—don’t like the attention that generate for said program)
I find it hard to believe you can come on to a board like fornits bitching about being placed in a program and blaming your parents after placing them and your whole family at risk. There were young kids in the house and you were carelessly exposing them to your hepB, which you contracted carelessly. You were not attending school or following any of the house rules and exposing the younger kids to your careless lifestyle. Do you think it is a requirement for your parents to keep dragging the rest of the family down to police station after policestation at 3 in the morning to bail your loser ass out of jail... 10...15....50 miles away?
How can you expect to get any sympathy or have any of us believe your parents had any other choice. You should really reconsider your belly aching and finger pointing and start getting control and taking responsibility of your own life.
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Sigh.
So sad that helpless youth get victimized by sub-human slime like you.
You'd just be laughable if not for the possibility you parented a kid, and that YOU PERSONALLY can, and perhaps have, abducted, imprisoned, and tortured, some youth in the name of reform.
You've made some interesting presumptions
1) that two posts are by the same person
2) that I was serious about having hepatitis B. I was being facetious, you half-brained eunuch.
3) some very specific details about my personal life and their implications.
None of what you've pulled from your ass applies to me. Sadly, you, your masters Werner Erhard, Mel Wasserman, Steve Laird, Rudy Bentz, Jill Bentz, Charles Deidrich, Tim Brace abduct, imprison and brainwash youth to believe they have these randomly selected personal issues, that they're losers, and inflict upon them permanent brain damage from coercive though reform.
http://www.cbc.ca/canada/montreal/story ... t0704.html (http://www.cbc.ca/canada/montreal/story/2007/07/04/qc-brainwashingsettlement0704.html)
You pathetic nut, don't you realize when you attempt to shame me for made-up personal experiences, that you corroborate what survivors say goes on in CEDU, Carlbrook, Bouldercreek, Academy at Swift River---psychological abuse through exploiting personal experience, that often didn't even occur?
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Sue Sceff, Steve Laird,Rudy or Jill Bentz, or that lovely Cedu enthusiast Annie Hall is in the forest
I'd like to see what some of these shitbags look like (aside from Sue; we already know)...a picture's worth 1000 words.
This link was posted (http://http://www.fornits.com/phpbb/viewtopic.php?f=9&t=25925&st=0&sk=t&sd=a&start=120#p316846) in the 'Why spend a year in a program when it can be done in week' thread two days ago, contains a pic. Funny, but access to this page, and any mention of him, seems to have been removed from the Rubin Educational Resources website proper. Perhaps he used to work there, but no longer does.
Rubin Educational Resources LLC
Santa Fe Office
2205 Miguel Chavez Road, Suite B
Santa Fe, NM 87505
Tel: 505/989-8910
Fax: 505/989-8906
http://www.rubinedu.com/team/bentz.html (http://www.rubinedu.com/team/bentz.html)
Rudy Bentz, Ed.D.
Director of School and Program Development,
Transition Coach
[li]Over twenty-four years experience in experiential and therapeutic education[/li]
[li]B.A. in Literature[/li]
[li]M.A. in Fine Arts in Creative Writing[/li]
[li]Ed. D. in Educational Leadership[/li]
[li]Developed performing arts program[/li]
[li]Headmaster at two therapeutic boarding schools[/li]
[li]Designed therapeutic programs and in-service trainings[/li]
[li]Developed and facilitated parenting workshops and in-service trainings[/li]
[li]Taught literature, rhetoric, and comparative religion classes[/li]
[li]Consultant for individuals, public and private schools, therapeutic boarding schools, and educational and business organizations[/li]
[li]Facilitated board retreats and mediated administrative/staff disputes for businesses, nonprofits, and schools
Services Provided:[/li]
[li]Transition Coach[/li]
[li]Development of School and Program Models[/li]
[li]Milieu Development[/li]
[li]Accreditation[/li]
[li]Student Profiles[/li]
[li]Workshops[/li]
[li]Trainings[/li]
[li]Retreats[/li]
[li]In-Service Consultations [/li][/list]
Wow, they move fast. Guess that traffic may be slow, but people are still reading fornits.
I hop you got a screen save ursus. Remember, cults have no problem lying.
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You'd just be laughable if not for the possibility you parented a kid, and that YOU PERSONALLY can, and perhaps have, abducted, imprisoned, and tortured, some youth in the name of reform.
ADS, ADA, LDS, DAS, SDL, ASD etc. Ha,Ha,Ha Oh, yes I actually have a torture chamber in town we call it a school (I know that is foreign to you)!!! I see those yellow school buses whoops sorry, I think you refer to them as abduction mobiles, all over town.
So now that someone has actually called you on your stuff you start to back down. I know you are using me as a punching board for your own parents but it isn’t going to make you feel any better. You probably will not get any peace until you confront them and apologize for what you put them thru and your siblings. Parents can only help you so much and the rest is up to you. If you decided to piss away your chance in the program then that is something you will have to live with. You come on to fornits and play the victim so you can avoid any responsibility for your life but it doesn’t work does it? You still feel like shit don’t you and trying to blame me for your life isn’t working either. So tomorrow try something different.... look in the mirror and say to yourself “I fucked up my own life, I have no one else to blame”. You will start to feel better about yourself the same day, I guarantee it.
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I totally agree! it's been rehashed and rehashed again. It's just annoying to have an admin of a site state an outright lie, and then claim they are upholding the integrity of this website. I quoted the post, and removed the information to be respectful to CCM, hoping zen would later delete it and since i was posting as guest without the ability to edit, I didn't want to leave that information up forever, hence the XXX's in the post. As far as that drama is concerned, I know what happened, and it's old news to me. But now psy is claiming you can't believe CCM, or any other survivor because he knew a girl in becnhmark that lied? That's just plain absurd, I believe program survivors over parents any day of the week!
All i'm saying is that it is possible that she lied about this. I'm not saying that she lied about anything that went on in a program. I didn't see anything, and neither did anybody else. The only "people" who ever saw any of Zen's posts were guests who won't identify themselves. What do you want me to do? It's a situation where it's one person's word against another.
He is also lying about admins not threatening posters. He threatened to call the cops on me, then banned me, then laughed about it how I was shaking in my boots waiting for the cops to arrive. All for saying kids need to rise up and fight for their right to not be abused and brainwashed.
No, actually you (if it was you) said
[Today at 03:13:33 PM] guest-6d53: i heard a stotry from a program staff once
[Today at 03:14:20 PM] guest-6d53: and i thought it was a lie
[Today at 03:14:37 PM] guest-6d53: becase staffs lie a lot
[Today at 03:15:07 PM] guest-6d53: i told him so and he was like ohhhh and i was like shut up staff and that was it
[Today at 03:15:19 PM] guest-6d53: stupid staff
[Today at 03:18:36 PM] guest-6d53: the kids should rise up and take the staff out
And I don't think you meant to dinner. Read the full transcript here (http://http://fornits.com/phpbb/viewtopic.php?f=22&t=24903&p=306519#p306519). That's fine on the forum, where it's unmoderated by policy, and thus the administration is not responsible, but on a moderated shoutbox, there are legal liability issues (note that the shoutbox is no longer moderated). It was a warning, and mostly a joke to freak you out. I assumed you to be an agent provocateur (http://http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Agent_provocateur) trying to say something that would get the FBI/cops to come take the server away. Maybe I shouldn't have said, it (and woudn't if I thought people would take it so seriously), but I did. Harm done. Deal with it. I apologize and hope we can just drop this, as it's real, real, old.
Now I've seen much worse threats posted on fornits, but the cops were never called on them.
Again, on the forum, which is not moderated, and thus there are far fewer legal liability issues.
I didn't even threaten anyone, I just made a very generic statement.
"guest-6d53: the kids should rise up and take the staff out"
Very generic.
How can people be expected to trust an admin who does things like this? He finds it funny to create fear in a poster who believes the cops are about to knock on the door, and then thinks he can claim fornits is a safe place to post anonymously and that admins never threaten anyone?
It was more a warning than anything else. Again, I assumed you to be an agent provocateur (http://http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Agent_provocateur) trying to say something that would get the FBI/cops to come take the server away (and thus shut down fornits). Did I call the cops? No. But what if somebody else did? What if they slammed fornits, or the hosting provider with a subpoena. Then you'd be fucked, no wouldn't you, and Fornits would be without a server. So consider I did you a favor. I would never wish five-oh on anybody (save maybe a program or program staff).
Anyone else here smoke tbpitw? Well you better not say the wrong thing to the wrong person, otherwise they will threaten to use your IP to call the cops on you, and then you can end up in an adult program for drug abuse, all thanks to fornits! ABSURD.
Half the people (if not more) on this site, smoke TBPITW. Your suggestion is absurd, and the majority of the administration here takes a libertarian stance on the topic, anyway. I, for one, will never aid the drug war. I believe people have a right to put whatever they want in their own bodies (at the same time, they're responsible for what they do to others directly... Drugs don't make people do bad things. If they did we'd have to hold them innocent in a court of law, but that isn't the case. People are responsible for their actions, period, not the drugs/alcohol. To ban drugs, pre-supposing that they will cause people to commit crimes is to be prejudiced against those who can and do use them responsibly. The group should not be punished for the actions of a minority, or even a majority, were that the case.).
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You'd just be laughable if not for the possibility you parented a kid, and that YOU PERSONALLY can, and perhaps have, abducted, imprisoned, and tortured, some youth in the name of reform.
ADS, ADA, LDS, DAS, SDL, ASD etc. Ha,Ha,Ha Oh, yes I actually have a torture chamber in town we call it a school (I know that is foreign to you)!!! I see those yellow school buses whoops sorry, I think you refer to them as abduction mobiles, all over town.
So now that someone has actually called you on your stuff you start to back down. I know you are using me as a punching board for your own parents but it isn’t going to make you feel any better. You probably will not get any peace until you confront them and apologize for what you put them thru and your siblings. Parents can only help you so much and the rest is up to you. If you decided to piss away your chance in the program then that is something you will have to live with. You come on to fornits and play the victim so you can avoid any responsibility for your life but it doesn’t work does it? You still feel like shit don’t you and trying to blame me for your life isn’t working either. So tomorrow try something different.... look in the mirror and say to yourself “I fucked up my own life, I have no one else to blame”. You will start to feel better about yourself the same day, I guarantee it.
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I'm quite sure you're either closer to the program than a parent, or very thoroughly indoctrinated. The language you speak is programmiespracken 101, and so is your judgement of somebody you don't know. How do you know his/her life is fucked up, or is that just something you say to try and break people down? It's exactly this sort of shit that makes people hate you and want you off the site. Frankly, I can't wait until 5 PM tomorrow (CET) when I get to lock you out and transfer the account to Ursus.
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I'm quite sure you're either closer to the program than a parent, or very thoroughly indoctrinated. The language you speak is programmiespracken 101, and so is your judgement of somebody you don't know. How do you know his/her life is fucked up, or is that just something you say to try and break people down? It's exactly this sort of shit that makes people hate you and want you off the site.
That has been exactly my point all along (Double Standard, judgement of someone you don’t know). How does the other person know if I abused my daughter or if I have a relationship with Rudy Benz or a relationship with est... etc. Do you see your double standard? It is okay to assume many things about my life, but when I do it you see it differently, like I am abusing a survivor. Your thinking is very clouded and one sided. Maybe it is because of all the time you spend here, I don’t know. But I think you can see my point. I have tried to point thisout in the past many times. It may help you going forward.
Frankly, I can't wait until 5 PM tomorrow (CET) when I get to lock you out and transfer the account to Ursus.
Is that my official notice?
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All i'm saying is that it is possible that she lied about this. I'm not saying that she lied about anything that went on in a program. I didn't see anything, and neither did anybody else. The only "people" who ever saw any of Zen's posts were guests who won't identify themselves. What do you want me to do? It's a situation where it's one person's word against another.
You already took sides, and called CCM a liar. I'm telling you, from my point of view, how this appears being one of the persons who saw the post. Hell, I quoted it.
It was a warning, and mostly a joke to freak you out. I assumed you to be an agent provocateur (http://http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Agent_provocateur) trying to say something that would get the FBI/cops to come take the server away. Maybe I shouldn't have said, it (and woudn't if I thought people would take it so seriously), but I did. Harm done. Deal with it. I apologize and hope we can just drop this, as it's real, real, old.
That's the fucked up part about it. You did it to freak me out. I knew it didn't matter if you called the cops, being on a proxy, the IP you had was worthless. But it was received as a threat, and so it is factual to say an admin threatened a poster, me.
Again, on the forum, which is not moderated, and thus there are far fewer legal liability issues.
Yeah. Sure. Come on, half the forums on fornits are moderated. Get real.
"guest-6d53: the kids should rise up and take the staff out"
Yes, that is a very generic statement. I didn't name a specific person I was threatening. Do you stand by your reaction that of threatening to turn my IP over to the police, based on this quote, was appropriate? That way survivors know what they can't say.
It was more a warning than anything else. Again, I assumed you to be an agent provocateur (http://http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Agent_provocateur) trying to say something that would get the FBI/cops to come take the server away (and thus shut down fornits). Did I call the cops? No. But what if somebody else did? What if they slammed fornits, or the hosting provider with a subpoena. Then you'd be fucked, no wouldn't you, and Fornits would be without a server. So consider I did you a favor. I would never wish five-oh on anybody (save maybe a program or program staff).
Who? I didn't name any names, I made a very generic anti-program, anti-staff statement. There are very specific threats oriented towards individuals and programs on this forum, yet it was my very generic "threat" against all staff in america that has you concerned?
Half the people (if not more) on this site, smoke TBPITW. Your suggestion is absurd, and the majority of the administration here takes a libertarian stance on the topic, anyway. I, for one, will never aid the drug war. I believe people have a right to put whatever they want in their own bodies (at the same time, they're responsible for what they do to others directly... Drugs don't make people do bad things. If they did we'd have to hold them innocent in a court of law, but that isn't the case. People are responsible for their actions, period, not the drugs/alcohol. To ban drugs, pre-supposing that they will cause people to commit crimes is to be prejudiced against those who can and do use them responsibly. The group should not be punished for the actions of a minority, or even a majority, were that the case.).
Those who smoke can appreciate the seriousness of someone with your IP, threatening to notify authorities on you.
As to my ranting about staffs lying, it is not a well kept secret that I have little love for program staff. Sometimes I rant on the chat, but this is a anti-program forum, and the only one that allows drunk anti program tirade type rants. For that I am grateful, but let's get real, when you say that admins never threatened a poster, that is factually incorrect. As to the zen matter, when you call CCM a liar, that is factually incorrect. Imagine you were the one who quotes the post in question, but me as an admin say it's a he-said-she-said, BTW- CCM is a liar, and here's an anecdote to confirm survivors are liars. Can you at least acknowledge why this might rile someone up in my position? As someone who was banned, and threatened for a generic anti-program/staff statement, can you see why a free-speech-for-all argument supporting TheWho's right to belittle, torment, question, mock, and troll survivors rings hollow with me?
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Shoutbox was moderated. From that you were banned for what most would see as a death threat ("take staff out"). Generic or not, there was a very real possibility that someobdy like SS could call the FBI and have the server taken away. Since the shoutbox is moderated... oh hell. I'm repeating myself. From the forum you weren't banned and now that the shoutbox is no longer moderated at all, you're more than free to say whatever you like there.
If I freaked you out, I am sorry. Ok. I apologize. I can appreciate how you are upset about the whole CCM situation could "rile you up" if, indeed, you did see such a post, but I didn't, and nobody else did, so what do you expect me to do? As I said previously, I can't punish a person without any evidence. Zen even offered to resign if it would make the situation go away, and I told him not to, since there was no evidence of any wrongdoing on his part. I can also appreciate how me appearing to defend TheWho can upset you, but it's my job to enforce Ginger's policies, and sometimes I enjoy it less than other times. If you have a problem with her policies (which I tend to agree with), you should consult her, but I doubt she'll budge on this issue as she wants this forum to remain a place for discussion, not a survivors exclusive club.
Please don't hold it against me personally. I'm just trying to do my job to the best of my ability. Sometimes I make mistakes, sometimes I offend people. For that, I'm sorry, but I do my best.
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I'm quite sure you're either closer to the program than a parent, or very thoroughly indoctrinated. The language you speak is programmiespracken 101, and so is your judgement of somebody you don't know. How do you know his/her life is fucked up, or is that just something you say to try and break people down? It's exactly this sort of shit that makes people hate you and want you off the site.
That has been exactly my point all along (Double Standard, judgement of someone you don’t know). How does the other person know if I abused my daughter or if I have a relationship with Rudy Benz or a relationship with est...
Stop turning things around. We're talking about you now. Just because he may or may not have (and I recall him saying "possibly") made unsubstantiated allegations against you does not mean it's right for you to do the same to him, especially in the way you did, which is much the sort of thing many of us heard inside programs (in a similar, unsubstantiated manner). Look. Without having being a kid in a program you simply won't understand just how offensive what you just said was. It's just that simple. Maybe you don't mean to go around offending everybody here, but you do, and have made very little, if any, effort to try and relate to how many of us have suffered inside programs. Maybe you're not capable of that amount of empathy or human understanding. If that's the case, I feel sorry for you.
Frankly, I can't wait until 5 PM tomorrow (CET) when I get to lock you out and transfer the account to Ursus.
Is that my official notice?
More or less, and I hope you'll keep your word to cease posting entirely. With or without realizing it, you do hurt people here. Some are more thick-skinned than others, but not all can take what you dish out.
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...So now that someone has actually called you on your stuff you start to back down. I know you are using me as a punching board for your own parents but it isn’t going to make you feel any better. You probably will not get any peace until you confront them and apologize for what you put them thru and your siblings. Parents can only help you so much and the rest is up to you. If you decided to piss away your chance in the program then that is something you will have to live with. You come on to fornits and play the victim so you can avoid any responsibility for your life but it doesn’t work does it? You still feel like shit don’t you and trying to blame me for your life isn’t working either. So tomorrow try something different.... look in the mirror and say to yourself “I fucked up my own life, I have no one else to blame”. You will start to feel better about yourself the same day, I guarantee it.
I'm quite sure you're either closer to the program than a parent, or very thoroughly indoctrinated. The language you speak is programmiespracken 101, and so is your judgement of somebody you don't know. How do you know his/her life is fucked up, or is that just something you say to try and break people down? It's exactly this sort of shit that makes people hate you and want you off the site. Frankly, I can't wait until 5 PM tomorrow (CET) when I get to lock you out and transfer the account to Ursus.
Don't forget this one. It's a biggie:
"TheWho" wrote:
So tomorrow try something different.... look in the mirror and say to yourself "I fucked up my own life, I have no one else to blame". You will start to feel better about yourself the same day, I guarantee it.[/list]
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Well. I could have just highlighted the whole thing... lol.
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As to my ranting about staffs lying, it is not a well kept secret that I have little love for program staff. Sometimes I rant on the chat, but this is a anti-program forum, and the only one that allows drunk anti program tirade type rants. For that I am grateful, but let's get real, when you say that admins never threatened a poster, that is factually incorrect. As to the zen matter, when you call CCM a liar, that is factually incorrect. Imagine you were the one who quotes the post in question, but me as an admin say it's a he-said-she-said, BTW- CCM is a liar, and here's an anecdote to confirm survivors are liars. Can you at least acknowledge why this might rile someone up in my position? As someone who was banned, and threatened for a generic anti-program/staff statement, can you see why a free-speech-for-all argument supporting TheWho's right to belittle, torment, question, mock, and troll survivors rings hollow with me?
Why is it okay to belittle, torment, question, mock, and troll program staff, parents, myself? It happens all day everyday!! Then when one of you guys are called out you scream foul like it is against some religion or something. Can someone explain this?
I have seen staff called every name in the book, mocked, trolled, belittled etc. The same for parents and myself. Why does everyone get so upset when it is done to a survivor? Are you guys just more sensitive then us or do you think there should be a double standard? It would be nice to know.
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Shoutbox was moderated. From that you were banned for what most would see as a death threat ("take staff out"). Generic or not, there was a very real possibility that someobdy like SS could call the FBI and have the server taken away. Since the shoutbox is moderated... oh hell. I'm repeating myself. From the forum you weren't banned and now that the shoutbox is no longer moderated at all, you're more than free to say whatever you like there.
A death threat against whom? What police station did you intend to call? If this sort of generic "death threat" could be considered a threat, the internets would be shut down in about two seconds. I think it was because we got into a argument, which escalated into a war of words, and emotions got a little heated and you wanted to freak me out. Am I wrong? This would be much more comforting to know, than think we have to worry about what we say on this forum, in fear of an IP being leaked to federales.
If I freaked you out, I am sorry.
Well, you didn't, because I was on proxy. What you did, was piss me off, and cause me to lose all hope in this forum at the time.
Ok. I apologize.
As do I for calling you names later that chat, I was rather angry.
I can appreciate how you are upset about the whole CCM situation could "rile you up" if, indeed, you did see such a post, but I didn't, and nobody else did, so what do you expect me to do? As I said previously, I can't punish a person without any evidence. Zen even offered to resign if it would make the situation go away, and I told him not to, since there was no evidence of any wrongdoing on his part.
A lot of people saw that post, even another guest who is posting in this thread. Really, all one has to do is read the thread, and it's obvious. Hell, zen even apologizes to CCM for posting it. But that thread matters little to me. I know 100% that post in question was real, as I quoted it, but I'm not going to waste my time trying to convince anyone of this.
I quoted you earlier in this thread when you edited out the part about CCM. You could of just denied it (there were no edit tags) and said I made it up, just like the other thread in which my guest quote is questioned, which would result in a similar stalemate. But I don't have the luxury to ignore facts I know to be true. Knowing that CCM is telling the truth, I get upset when an admin of this site (and a fellow survivor as well) chooses to disregard her word and then include anecdotal evidence that other survivors are liars. This harms all of us. It confirms what parents like TheWho want to believe about us. When it comes from the top, even more so.
I can also appreciate how me appearing to defend TheWho can upset you, but it's my job to enforce Ginger's policies, and sometimes I enjoy it less than other times. If you have a problem with her policies (which I tend to agree with), you should consult her, but I doubt she'll budge on this issue as she wants this forum to remain a place for discussion, not a survivors exclusive club.
Please don't hold it against me personally. I'm just trying to do my job to the best of my ability. Sometimes I make mistakes, sometimes I offend people. For that, I'm sorry, but I do my best.
I get that. I'm not attacking you personally. I am expressing my personal outrage at the situation, and frustration with- what from my perspective - appears to be a double standard. I was banned and threatened for saying students should rise up (take that however you want).
So..
Why not ban, and threaten to send theWho's IP address to the police, for all the crap that he spews day and night? Why not fuck with him, and freak him out in the same way? Instead he gets threads like this, or identity auction, or t-shirt, and it gives him the sort of credibility and attention he wants. I realize he can come back on proxy. I get that there is no solution to this, which is fucking sad as hell. By following the rules set out by this forum, he will win, and drive traffic (other than who flame wars) to a standstill.
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Why is it okay to belittle, torment, question, mock, and troll program staff, parents, myself? It happens all day everyday!! Then when one of you guys are called out you scream foul like it is against some religion or something. Can someone explain this?
People get what they give, and sometimes people judge groups based on the actions of individuals, or treat all parents like theirs (who they resent). it's natural human reaction. In your case, the ire is well earned, and not borne out of prejudice. Don't play innocent, you've done more than enough to offend people around here, so don't act like you haven't brought it upon yourself. Yet again, your attempting to avoid the previous topic and turn things around so you don't have to answer to what you have said. See here:
posting.php?mode=quote&f=22&p=317000#pr316996 (http://www.fornits.com/phpbb/posting.php?mode=quote&f=22&p=317000#pr316996)
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Stop turning things around. We're talking about you now. Just because he may or may not have (and I recall him saying "possibly") made unsubstantiated allegations against you does not mean it's right for you to do the same to him, especially in the way you did, which is much the sort of thing many of us heard inside programs (in a similar, unsubstantiated manner). Look......
Come on, you know what I am talking about. There have been pictures of program staff posted on here in which no one has met before and they were ridiculed for their looks and hobbies. Entire programs were mocked and the people who worked there. People assumed things about me and mock me... its easily 99/1 in balance and no one ever says anything.... yourself included.
If I were sensitive to being called “Monkey Breath” I certainly wouldn’t use that term against others. Do you see what I am saying? So using the defense that they were in a program doesn’t really hold up.
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Just as an example, When the author Dave Marcus was being called an industry shill, and paid to write his book buy the industry no one came forward to say.. “Well,I haven’t seen evidence of that” or “Can you show us a link” or “Why would a person who works for abused women and has won the Pulitzer prize jeopardize his career by taking money to slight a story”.
You and I both know if the same thing we said about a anti-program writer like Mia people would be calling foul left and right.
You and I both know that if the dialog isn’t heavily anti program it gets tossed, ignored or the poster gets ridiculed. But if a survivor is even question about their story it is an outrage.
Anyone can see this who has read here for even an hour, it is amazing that the regulars cannot.
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Shoutbox was moderated. From that you were banned for what most would see as a death threat ("take staff out"). Generic or not, there was a very real possibility that someobdy like SS could call the FBI and have the server taken away. Since the shoutbox is moderated... oh hell. I'm repeating myself. From the forum you weren't banned and now that the shoutbox is no longer moderated at all, you're more than free to say whatever you like there.
A death threat against whom? What police station did you intend to call? If this sort of generic "death threat" could be considered a threat, the internets would be shut down in about two seconds. I think it was because we got into a argument, which escalated into a war of words, and emotions got a little heated and you wanted to freak me out. Am I wrong?
No. It seems this is mostly a misunderstanding. I assumed you were an agent provocateur (and/or TheWho) and just wanted to psych you out. Maybe I got a little carried away. Had I thought you to be an actual survivor, I would have calmly explained why it is inadvisable to say that on the shoutbox (especially not with SS watching like a hawk and having the FBI on speed dial). As to what people can and can not say on the internet, I recommend you read the story of Keith Henson (scientology critic):
http://news.cnet.com/2100-1030_3-6156516.html (http://news.cnet.com/2100-1030_3-6156516.html)
Normal rules do not apply when dealing with cults.
I quoted you earlier in this thread when you edited out the part about CCM. You could of just denied it (there were no edit tags) and said I made it up
But I didn't. That should tell you something.
just like the other thread in which my guest quote is questioned, which would result in a similar stalemate. But I don't have the luxury to ignore facts I know to be true. Knowing that CCM is telling the truth, I get upset when an admin of this site (and a fellow survivor as well) chooses to disregard her word
It's not that I chose to disregard her word as much as I took it as equal to that of Zen's. The two cancel each other out.
and then include anecdotal evidence that other survivors are liars.
Well. I didn't mean it that way, which is why I deleted it. I wanted to imply that it's possible for a survivor to lie, and just because CCM is a survivor, and Zen is a parent (who'se kid was placed in program against his will) does not mean I should take her word over his in a serious decision (it wouldn't be fair). I think you can see where I'm coming from and I worded it badly when I originally wrote it. After I read it, I realized how it came out and I deleted it.
I get that. I'm not attacking you personally. I am expressing my personal outrage at the situation, and frustration with- what from my perspective - appears to be a double standard. I was banned and threatened for saying students should rise up (take that however you want).
The "rise up" part wasn't the problem, it was the "take staff out" part that I felt could be used against the forum and worried me. There was a lot of trolling going on in the shoutbox that day. I'm sorry if I misunderstood your intentions or reacted rashly.
Instead he gets threads like this, or identity auction, or t-shirt, and it gives him the sort of credibility and attention he wants. I realize he can come back on proxy. I get that there is no solution to this, which is fucking sad as hell. By following the rules set out by this forum, he will win, and drive traffic (other than who flame wars) to a standstill.
Look. I realize how frustrating it is. Imagine how it is for myself, kelly and ginger. It's a situation where saving the forum could possibly require a compromise in values, and I agree with Ginger that it's unacceptable to do that. Ginger believes that once we get our google rankings back, traffic will increase and productive dialogue will drown out those like TheWho. She says there have been lulls in posting like this before. I tend to agree, as before the site was taken offline several times by Sue Scheff's actions, TheWho was here, but wasn't as much of a hindrance. The idea of this auction is to get rid of him (as well as raise money for hosting). I'm hoping both those goals can be accomplished so that, in his absence, the forum can recover more quickly. Once it's at a more prominent, stable place, as it was once before, even TheWho returning could not bring it back down.
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But if a survivor is even question about their story it is an outrage.
Anyone can see this who has read here for even an hour, it is amazing that the regulars cannot.
Well. If the forum is biased, it's not by any act of authority, but rather by the actions of the programs themselves: creating such dissatisfied "clients". Ask yourself why the satisfied "clients" have not flocked here in groves to defend the precious salvation places that "saved their lives". You figure they would be grateful for such an act.
Going twice to Ursus for 90 dollars. Last chance to nab TheWho's account... Bidding closes at 5PM CET
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Ginger believes that once we get our google rankings back, traffic will increase and productive dialogue will drown out those like TheWho. She says there have been lulls in posting like this before. I tend to agree, as before the site was taken offline several times by Sue Scheff's actions, TheWho was here, but wasn't as much of a hindrance. The idea of this auction is to get rid of him (as well as raise money for hosting). I'm hoping both those goals can be accomplished so that, in his absence, the forum can recover more quickly. Once it's at a more prominent, stable place, as it was once before, even TheWho returning could not bring it back down.
I sincerely hope that things turn out this way.
As for the other shout box shit, I won't bring it up again (to the delight of other posters I'm sure), the topic is closed as far as I am concerned.
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If I were sensitive to being called “Monkey Breath” I certainly wouldn’t use that term against others. Do you see what I am saying? So using the defense that they were in a program doesn’t really hold up.
Well. It does when you consider personal experience. If you are a black man and offended by the phrase "nigger" and have been exploited in a way that a WASP cannot possibly understand, calling a white WASP a "cracker", while equally racist on it's face, still does not probably hurt or degrade the white man in the same way it would to the black man, where it would bring up past bad experiences and mistreatment. You get what I'm saying? You can't understand what we've been through, apparently, and god knows we've tried to explain. Either your completely thick, or insensitive to the point where... Well the black eye didn't particularly surprise me.
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Ginger believes that once we get our google rankings back, traffic will increase and productive dialogue will drown out those like TheWho. She says there have been lulls in posting like this before. I tend to agree, as before the site was taken offline several times by Sue Scheff's actions, TheWho was here, but wasn't as much of a hindrance. The idea of this auction is to get rid of him (as well as raise money for hosting). I'm hoping both those goals can be accomplished so that, in his absence, the forum can recover more quickly. Once it's at a more prominent, stable place, as it was once before, even TheWho returning could not bring it back down.
I sincerely hope that things turn out this way.
Me too, and i'm pretty sure it will. Suggestion: why not help out and pitch in on some other productive discussions. It tends to start chain reactions. Eventually, we can get the site back up to where it was.
As for the other shout box shit, I won't bring it up again (to the delight of other posters I'm sure), the topic is closed as far as I am concerned.
I appreaciate that, and once again, I apologize.
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Me too, and i'm pretty sure it will. Suggestion: why not help out and pitch in on some other productive discussions. It tends to start chain reactions. Eventually, we can get the site back up to where it was.
I've been trying. TheWho is fairly adept at recognizing these threads as they begin to emerge, and shift the discussion to a flamewar. He's the most pervasive and dedicated troll I've ever seen on this forum. It's sad for him, and sad for us- and yet it continues - why god.... why?
I appreaciate that, and once again, I apologize.
Thanks. I'm sorry about that whole thing too and what I said. I hope you don't take it personally that I get riled up and passionate when discussing this topic.. I can't help it, and sometimes undiplomatic rants spill out of me.
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Ginger believes that once we get our google rankings back, traffic will increase and productive dialogue will drown out those like TheWho. She says there have been lulls in posting like this before. I tend to agree, as before the site was taken offline several times by Sue Scheff's actions, TheWho was here, but wasn't as much of a hindrance. The idea of this auction is to get rid of him (as well as raise money for hosting). I'm hoping both those goals can be accomplished so that, in his absence, the forum can recover more quickly. Once it's at a more prominent, stable place, as it was once before, even TheWho returning could not bring it back down.
I sincerely hope that things turn out this way.
Me too, and i'm pretty sure it will. Suggestion: why not help out and pitch in on some other productive discussions. It tends to start chain reactions. Eventually, we can get the site back up to where it was.
As for the other shout box shit, I won't bring it up again (to the delight of other posters I'm sure), the topic is closed as far as I am concerned.
I appreaciate that, and once again, I apologize.
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Hate to bang a drum that might get played by thewho for a kid requiem, but re. there being no proof ZA outed CCMgirl, the only reason there is no "proof" is that he deleted the post.
Later he said no post ever existed
For months after this, you claimed that it was "proved” that no post ever existed.
Then someone posted a screensave of z.a. stating “no one but me and who saw the post” proving their WAS a post.
Why spread a lie all that time? Why not uncover the post and see what he really wrote, now?
Considering all the lies he’s told about the subject: he’s also changed stories MULTIPLE TIMES about what he posted, and how he got the info..it’s kinda clear already about who’s telling the truth about this.
You also have TAC who can tell you what she he saw, I believe, if he doesn’t mind getting dragged into this. Besides, what is any moderator/parent doing using personal info he got about a survivor through investigating her HUMILIATING her with it on this forum.
But I get the politics attached to this situation...
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Hate to bang a drum that might get played by thewho for a kid requiem, but re. there being no proof ZA outed CCMgirl, the only reason there is no "proof" is that he deleted the post.
Later he said no post ever existed
For months after this, you claimed that it was "proved” that no post ever existed.
Then someone posted a screensave of z.a. stating “no one but me and who saw the post” proving their WAS a post.
Yeah, but in that screencapture, there was never a clear indication of what post he was referring to, and honestly, i've been too busy to check recently, especially since CCM hasn't seemed to be interested in persuing it recently.
Why spread a lie all that time? Why not uncover the post and see what he really wrote, now?
Well, there is no way to un-delete a post, if there was one.
Considering all the lies he’s told about the subject: he’s also changed stories MULTIPLE TIMES about what he posted, and how he got the info..it’s kinda clear already about who’s telling the truth about this.
Well, not really, since i've known him to bluff before on multiple occasions, including one which actually got me in trouble (long story). I'd rather he not do it, but I have known him to do it, and thus, it's hard to tell what is intended as disinformation to get a desired response from his detractors and/or fish for information and what is the genuine article. He gets results, but sometimes it backfires.
You also have TAC who can tell you what she he saw, I believe, if he doesn’t mind getting dragged into this.
Well. If he did see a post, and can corroborate CCM's claims of it's contents (that it actually contained CCM's real name and address), then I'll confront Zen with it and take appropriate action. I'll let him contact me, though (rather than drag him into this), unless CCM is interested in pursuing this. Personally, i'm just dying for it to go away.
Besides, what is any moderator/parent doing using personal info he got about a survivor through investigating her HUMILIATING her with it on this forum.
But I get the politics attached to this situation...
It's not politics as much as you might think, if you're as cynical as myself. I'm just trying to be fair here. I'm not defending Zen since he's my friend. I'm doing it because there is a lack of evidence against him. I'd do it for anybody. Due process is something I believe in.
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Thanks. I'm sorry about that whole thing too and what I said. I hope you don't take it personally that I get riled up and passionate when discussing this topic.. I can't help it, and sometimes undiplomatic rants spill out of me.
I'm not one to hold a grudge. Apology accepted.
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Well. It does when you consider personal experience. If you are a black man and offended by the phrase "nigger" and have been exploited in a way that a WASP cannot possibly understand, calling a white WASP a "cracker", while equally racist on it's face, still does not probably hurt or degrade the white man in the same way it would to the black man, where it would bring up past bad experiences and mistreatment. You get what I'm saying?
Sort of, but if a black man doesn’t want to be called a nigger, I don’t think he will go around calling white people crackers. If a black person called me “cracker”, I would have no qualms calling him “Nigger” and vice versa I am sure.
You can't understand what we've been through, apparently, and god knows we've tried to explain. Either your completely thick, or insensitive to the point where... Well the black eye didn't particularly surprise me.
Some have been thru worse than others. All I am saying is there should not be a double standard. If you are overly sensitive to people spitting on your shoes, you should probably try to make a conscience effort not to spit on other peoples shoes. Otherwise people will think it is acceptable. Cant have it both ways. But survivors here on fornits always feel they are entitled somehow and I never understood that. If they want to be respected they need to try to respect others...everyone knows that, it is not exclusive to one area of society.
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Well. It does when you consider personal experience. If you are a black man and offended by the phrase "nigger" and have been exploited in a way that a WASP cannot possibly understand, calling a white WASP a "cracker", while equally racist on it's face, still does not probably hurt or degrade the white man in the same way it would to the black man, where it would bring up past bad experiences and mistreatment. You get what I'm saying?
Sort of, but if a black man doesn’t want to be called a nigger, I don’t think he will go around calling white people crackers. If a black person called me “cracker”, I would have no qualms calling him “Nigger” and vice versa I am sure.
Please do this. I recommend trying it out in Harlem.
If you are overly sensitive to people spitting on your shoes, you should probably try to make a conscience effort not to spit on other peoples shoes.
Well. When one spits on your shoes here, you tend to respond by spitting on everybody else's shoes here. I'm not you realize how your words offend more than just your immediate target. If you try the above suggested "nigger" comment in Harlem, for example, I guarantee you'll offend more than just the person you intended (and hilarity would ensue).
Going twice to Ursus for 90 dollars. Last chance to nab TheWho's account... Bidding closes at 5PM CET
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It's not politics as much as you might think, if you're as cynical as myself. I'm just trying to be fair here. I'm not defending Zen since he's my friend. I'm doing it because there is a lack of evidence against him. I'd do it for anybody. Due process is something I believe in.
ASA, In all fairness I have to say psy does what he believes is fair and is able to put aside all politics when making decisions for the forum and protecting free speech. He unbanned me when he thought I was unfairly banned against huge pressure from the forum and fellow admins. This didnt make him very popular for awhile and he knew that risk when he made the decision (he later regretted that decision but I like to think he would have done it just the same over again). For this I have a great deal of respect for him.
All of what Zen did during that argument was driven by a spat between Zen and myself. Things were said and threats were made that we both probably wish we could take back and delete. I don’t believe there was any intent to hurt or expose CCM. He was just trying to piss me off (and I him) and CCM was brought up and got in the middle. She was not the target, but yes things were said in the heat of the moment. It has long passed and should be well forgotten.
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He unbanned me when he thought I was unfairly banned against huge pressure from the forum and fellow admins.
Minor clarification: The other admins were in support of un-banning you once they looked closer into what Deborah classified as "flooding". The forum populace, however, you are accurate about.
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It's not politics as much as you might think, if you're as cynical as myself. I'm just trying to be fair here. I'm not defending Zen since he's my friend. I'm doing it because there is a lack of evidence against him. I'd do it for anybody. Due process is something I believe in.
ASA, In all fairness I have to say psy does what he believes is fair and is able to put aside all politics when making decisions for the forum and protecting free speech. He unbanned me when he thought I was unfairly banned against huge pressure from the forum and fellow admins. This didnt make him very popular for awhile and he knew that risk when he made the decision (he later regretted that decision but I like to think he would have done it just the same over again). For this I have a great deal of respect for him.
All of what Zen did during that argument was driven by a spat between Zen and myself. Things were said and threats were made that we both probably wish we could take back and delete. I don’t believe there was any intent to hurt or expose CCM. He was just trying to piss me off (and I him) and CCM was brought up and got in the middle. She was not the target, but yes things were said in the heat of the moment. It has long passed and should be well forgotten.
All of you are so pathetic
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It was more a warning than anything else. Again, I assumed you to be an agent provocateur trying to say something that would get the FBI/cops to come take the server away (and thus shut down fornits). Did I call the cops? No. But what if somebody else did? What if they slammed fornits, or the hosting provider with a subpoena. Then you'd be fucked, no wouldn't you, and Fornits would be without a server. So consider I did you a favor. I would never wish five-oh on anybody (save maybe a program or program staff).
And what exactly was the "favor" you did? How exactly would he have been fucked. That is as clear as mud to me. No IP. Did you know his name and contact info, and would you have divulged it if asked?
That comment about "taking staff out" was minor in comparison to some of the posts still in the archives here.
Death-to-EdCons Video
viewtopic.php?f=9&t=22909 (http://fornits.com/phpbb/viewtopic.php?f=9&t=22909)
The Time I Fucked Souix Chef
viewtopic.php?f=9&t=22734 (http://fornits.com/phpbb/viewtopic.php?f=9&t=22734)
Izzahell told me Sue's vagina tastes like peanut butter!!
viewtopic.php?f=9&t=22126 (http://fornits.com/phpbb/viewtopic.php?f=9&t=22126)
viewtopic.php?p=269700#p269700 (http://fornits.com/phpbb/viewtopic.php?p=269700#p269700)
Fuck that fat fucking whore! I want her DEAD!
viewtopic.php?f=9&t=22126 (http://fornits.com/phpbb/viewtopic.php?f=9&t=22126)
and this one....
viewtopic.php?p=269700#p269700 (http://fornits.com/phpbb/viewtopic.php?p=269700#p269700)
and remember the TBS Escapers Guide- keep a knife in your room and stab them in the guts
viewtopic.php?f=9&t=20248&st=0&sk=t&sd=a&hilit=escapers (http://fornits.com/phpbb/viewtopic.php?f=9&t=20248&st=0&sk=t&sd=a&hilit=escapers)
viewtopic.php?f=9&t=22840&st=0&sk=t&sd=a&hilit=escapers (http://fornits.com/phpbb/viewtopic.php?f=9&t=22840&st=0&sk=t&sd=a&hilit=escapers)
And then those advocating killing your parents with a .45. Can't find them due to the crappy search function.
Frankly, I can't wait until 5 PM tomorrow (CET) when I get to lock you out and transfer the account to Ursus.
Yes, the sweet taste of censorship. What will happen to his account? Will his posts be censored by the highest bidder? But that would be okay, you say. Of course, because Who will just show up the next day with a new account. Most of his work is done here, but he ain't goin anywhere. Do you honestly believe he is? Guess that should be directed at Ursus. What are your plans?
Well. If he did see a post, and can corroborate CCM's claims of it's contents (that it actually contained CCM's real name and address), then I'll confront Zen with it and take appropriate action. I'll let him contact me, though (rather than drag him into this), unless CCM is interested in pursuing this. Personally, i'm just dying for it to go away.
Damn! Did Ginger die and leave you in charge? I thought you were brought on to "fix technical shit". She and the forum did just fine for many, many years before you imposed your values on the forum and set about fixin things that weren't broken. You single-handedly have done more to harm Fornits than any other poster. Google ratings will restore Fornits? Guess we'll have to see about that.
It's not politics as much as you might think, if you're as cynical as myself. I'm just trying to be fair here. I'm not defending Zen since he's my friend. I'm doing it because there is a lack of evidence against him. I'd do it for anybody. Due process is something I believe in.
More :bs: Everytime there is an issue that deserves "due process", you can't find the time. You just "want it to go away".
This didnt make him very popular for awhile and he knew that risk when he made the decision (he later regretted that decision but I like to think he would have done it just the same over again). For this I have a great deal of respect for him.
Respect my ass. You laugh at how gulible he is, how easy it was to work a naieve kid, program style.
Minor clarification: The other admins were in support of un-banning you once they looked closer into what Deborah classified as "flooding". The forum populace, however, you are accurate about.
Still blaming Deborah, because you don't have time for due process. You aren't worthy of or capable of handling the responsibilities you somehow came to possess. Who are you protecting? Who is it you'd rather Who not know was responsible for his banning?
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I'm quite sure you're either closer to the program than a parent, or very thoroughly indoctrinated. The language you speak is programmiespracken 101, and so is your judgement of somebody you don't know. How do you know his/her life is fucked up, or is that just something you say to try and break people down? It's exactly this sort of shit that makes people hate you and want you off the site.
That has been exactly my point all along (Double Standard, judgement of someone you don’t know). How does the other person know if I abused my daughter or if I have a relationship with Rudy Benz or a relationship with est... etc. Do you see your double standard? It is okay to assume many things about my life, but when I do it you see it differently, like I am abusing a survivor. Your thinking is very clouded and one sided. Maybe it is because of all the time you spend here, I don’t know. But I think you can see my point. I have tried to point thisout in the past many times. It may help you going forward.
Frankly, I can't wait until 5 PM tomorrow (CET) when I get to lock you out and transfer the account to Ursus.
Is that my official notice?
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u said you were there when marcus was writing his book. In what capacity were you there?
Ursus, when u gt his account, please don't delete anything. The crazy should be preserved, in amber if need be, for cultic researchers to examine.
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u said you were there when marcus was writing his book. In what capacity were you there?
My daughter was attending during that time.
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That comment about "taking staff out" was minor in comparison to some of the posts still in the archives here.
Death-to-EdCons Video
http://fornits.com/phpbb/viewtopic.php?f=9&t=22909 (http://fornits.com/phpbb/viewtopic.php?f=9&t=22909)
The Time I Fucked Souix Chef
http://fornits.com/phpbb/viewtopic.php?f=9&t=22734 (http://fornits.com/phpbb/viewtopic.php?f=9&t=22734)
Izzahell told me Sue's vagina tastes like peanut butter!!
http://fornits.com/phpbb/viewtopic.php?f=9&t=22126 (http://fornits.com/phpbb/viewtopic.php?f=9&t=22126)
http://fornits.com/phpbb/viewtopic.php?p=269700#p269700 (http://fornits.com/phpbb/viewtopic.php?p=269700#p269700)
Fuck that fat fucking whore! I want her DEAD!
http://fornits.com/phpbb/viewtopic.php?f=9&t=22126 (http://fornits.com/phpbb/viewtopic.php?f=9&t=22126)
and this one....
http://fornits.com/phpbb/viewtopic.php?p=269700#p269700 (http://fornits.com/phpbb/viewtopic.php?p=269700#p269700)
and remember the TBS Escapers Guide- keep a knife in your room and stab them in the guts
http://fornits.com/phpbb/viewtopic.php? ... t=escapers (http://fornits.com/phpbb/viewtopic.php?f=9&t=20248&st=0&sk=t&sd=a&hilit=escapers)
http://fornits.com/phpbb/viewtopic.php? ... t=escapers (http://fornits.com/phpbb/viewtopic.php?f=9&t=22840&st=0&sk=t&sd=a&hilit=escapers)
And then those advocating killing your parents with a .45. Can't find them due to the crappy search function.
Gee. I wonder who would keep a list like that.
Your other questions have been answered earlier in the thread. I don't like repeating myself.
Going twice to Ursus for 90 dollars.
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Some of my ebest fucking work there. one of these days i hope to get to work on t-shits with a five point guide to resisting programs on the back of it.
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Awwww, so your parents finally called you on all your BS and you blew off your one final chance and now they are the bad guys… BooHooHooo. “Oh, I am innocent and never did anything wrong, please you must believe me, my parents are the evil ones”
You haven’t changed much. You still cant take any personal responsibility.
". . . to use persecution as a power tool, this has also been done. To manipulate, enslave, indoctrinate, torture, these things are not new either. So when we have been so to the very nerve controlled and lied to and spoke at and forced right to "may i pick up the fork?" and been 'awared of,' there is a lot all around that is really going to get under our skin. Sure there is."
I personally don't blame my parents nearly as much as I blame the program for lying to them. You still seem washed.
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Cindy, I wonder if you're aware that under your way of thinking (and I use that term loosely with you) your pals over at NAMBLA have made their case for the benefits of sexual relationships between men and underage boys. On their (your) website they have reams of testimonals from boys who claim that their lives were saved by their adult partners and the love you shared with them.
According to you the testimony of a very small number of former inmates and their parents proves that the PTS form of confrontational and forced therapy/abuse works. This of course flys in the face of the actual medical studies, dead and abused kids, and the majority of actual professionals who know what theyre talking about, but hey according to you a couple of people said so, so thats all the proof you need.
Now I see where you got this line of thinking though, your NAMBLA membership garruntees it.
Psy, I dont know if you saw my question from when you were gone. Can we still link his guest posts after he pretends to leave by just comparing the ip address?
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@psy: Could you please update us as to where we are with this auction? A neighbor whom I have contracted out to do the drop for me needs to go run some errands, wants to know what's happening... Seems to me that 5pm CET has come and gone, but maybe I'm not translating my time zones correctly. Thanks.
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Would this constitute his having already given permission for his guest posts to be linked up?
Bullshit, 95% of my posts or better were me logged in. I got into a flame war with someone but I wasnt flooding or logging in as many identities until the last day before I was banned.
Someone was changing the header to posts I didnt write and I was responding by doing the same. I was logging in as a guest at the time.
If someone takes a snapshot of anypoint in time (except the last day or 2) I will give them $5 for every guest post. I logged in more than most and I didnt take on multiple identies as they would have you believe.
I was banned, I believe, because I exposed a flaw in the system and someone would be embarrassed if this was admitted, so was easier to silence me. I am not looking for anyone to be exposed or for myself to say. "Ah, I won" I dont give a shit.
If you want the truth it is there in the database for anyone to see, there was no flooding going on (prior to me being banned)
We can go back and forth, but the answer is in the database.
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Cindy, I wonder if you're aware that under your way of thinking (and I use that term loosely with you) your pals over at NAMBLA have made their case for the benefits of sexual relationships between men and underage boys. On their (your) website they have reams of testimonals from boys who claim that their lives were saved by their adult partners and the love you shared with them.
According to you the testimony of a very small number of former inmates and their parents proves that the PTS form of confrontational and forced therapy/abuse works. This of course flys in the face of the actual medical studies, dead and abused kids, and the majority of actual professionals who know what theyre talking about, but hey according to you a couple of people said so, so thats all the proof you need.
Now I see where you got this line of thinking though, your NAMBLA membership garruntees it.
Psy, I dont know if you saw my question from when you were gone. Can we still link his guest posts after he pretends to leave by just comparing the ip address?
Your not kidding
http://www.nambla.org/boys.htm (http://www.nambla.org/boys.htm)
""If It Wasn't for Mark I'd Probably Be Dead Today Carl, age 14 ""
Look, man-boy love saved this teens life. It looks like he applied the program in a positive way.
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Cindy, I wonder if you're aware that under your way of thinking (and I use that term loosely with you) your pals over at NAMBLA have made their case for the benefits of sexual relationships between men and underage boys. On their (your) website they have reams of testimonals from boys who claim that their lives were saved by their adult partners and the love you shared with them.
According to you the testimony of a very small number of former inmates and their parents proves that the PTS form of confrontational and forced therapy/abuse works. This of course flys in the face of the actual medical studies, dead and abused kids, and the majority of actual professionals who know what theyre talking about, but hey according to you a couple of people said so, so thats all the proof you need.
Now I see where you got this line of thinking though, your NAMBLA membership garruntees it.
Psy, I dont know if you saw my question from when you were gone. Can we still link his guest posts after he pretends to leave by just comparing the ip address?
Your not kidding
http://www.nambla.org/boys.htm (http://www.nambla.org/boys.htm)
""If It Wasn't for Mark I'd Probably Be Dead Today Carl, age 14 ""
Look, man-boy love saved this teens life. It looks like he applied the program in a positive way.
Do we know any "marks" at Academy for Swift River? Maybe Mark is a pet name for Rudy. Maybe this is one of the kids Rudy helped by molesting them.
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@psy: Could you please update us as to where we are with this auction? A neighbor whom I have contracted out to do the drop for me needs to go run some errands, wants to know what's happening... Seems to me that 5pm CET has come and gone, but maybe I'm not translating my time zones correctly. Thanks.
I think this trade off is stupid. it will give the synanite est freak a chance to deny his crazy, claiming it was forged....but whatevs
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@psy: Could you please update us as to where we are with this auction? A neighbor whom I have contracted out to do the drop for me needs to go run some errands, wants to know what's happening... Seems to me that 5pm CET has come and gone, but maybe I'm not translating my time zones correctly. Thanks.
I think this trade off is stupid. it will give the synanite est freak a chance to deny his crazy, claiming it was forged....but whatevs
ASDA, ADHD, It will give you a chance to self reflect and determine that the source of all your hatred is self loathing. With a resistence to any thought on the source you purge yourself upon others which only serves to temporarily relieve your rage. This willcontinue to build until you face the fact that you are solely responsible for your own path in life.
Learn to live with yourself.
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@psy: Could you please update us as to where we are with this auction? A neighbor whom I have contracted out to do the drop for me needs to go run some errands, wants to know what's happening... Seems to me that 5pm CET has come and gone, but maybe I'm not translating my time zones correctly. Thanks.
Oh. Right. Forgot bout that. was eating dinner.
TheWho's account is SOLD to Ursus for 90 dollars.
Any last words, whooter?
Drop the cash in the donations account and I'll hand you over the account after TheWho has his last words (i've emailed him to give him an hour).
http://www.dreamhost.com/donate.cgi?id=10300 (http://www.dreamhost.com/donate.cgi?id=10300)
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""If It Wasn't for Mark I'd Probably Be Dead Today Carl, age 14 ""
Look, man-boy love saved this teens life. It looks like he applied the program in a positive way.
LOL!
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Everyone carry-on. It has been a real challenge trying to get some of you to see the other side. I understand why many of you hold onto the belief that “all” programs are the same. If you have to admit that even one child has benefitted from their stay (out of the tens of thousands that have gone through them) it would shake your believe system to the core. Blind faith is sometimes easier to digest then having to figure out why some programs are successful and others are not and discuss the fine points, when in doubt or to keep your faith alive just quote the old Synanon, mind control texts etc.to prove your point because everything is connected somehow so you will be able to still convince many if you choose.
But someday, I hope you are able to see the fantastic change that has slowly occurred and the acceleration that will take place now that the GAO investigation will uncover the poorly run places. You will see that there are very few kids graduating from TBS’s who are not helped and that number will continue to shrink. Try to read outside of fornits too and open your mind to opposing views, facts and figures and try to incorporate them into your overall thinking.
I am literally on my way out the door so I have to run……..
I wish everyone the best in finding what makes them happy.
TheWho
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This is a post TheWho said he finds funny, and continuously brings up in order to make fun of. Call me crazy, I don't find a post describing physical, sexual and emotional abuse to be funny.
viewtopic.php?f=9&t=21209 (http://fornits.com/phpbb/viewtopic.php?f=9&t=21209)
Pardon my blunt language and longwindness:
In a world after 9/11, to whom do I talk to about this matter? My mother and step-father will not admit to the criminal and Satanic mistake they made with these Mormon-Republican devils. Oh, before you think I'm a Liberal Democrat wacko, I'm not. I'm a Catholic Republican and I would never do this to anyTHING alive. How can anybody ever be convinced a Nazi/Soviet style concentration camp is the answer for petty teen behavior? Furthermore, these parents, the Baby Boomers, who all boozed it up in Studio 54 and fucked each other silly at college orgies of the Animal House magnitude, has the hypocritical gaul to PUNISH their own FLESH AND BLOOD for the very same actions? Speaking as somebody who can't recover no matter what I've tried in life, the children today are the same children we've always been. We're children, being wild after World War II. How dare the parents think they are better than us when they acted just as us! Who the fuck do they think they are, passing judgement against us? As Americans, we're entitled to DUE PROCESS OF LAW, and are innocent till proven guilty. Judges are either appointed by politicans elected by the people, in a Right granted by God via the Declaration of Independece, Articles of Conferderation and the Constitution, or are elected directly by the people thereof, in the same manner of dictation via the Three Founding Documents. Ergo, only God Himself can send us to these places under American Law. Yet, our parents decided to send to these places for "help". What kind of help did I get? NONE! I'll explain in detail.
After being led to a trip to LA for no reason at all (and I packed movies and video games for the trip), I was tackled in the LA airport where the movie The Net has a scene of Sandra Bullock eating pizza, waiting for her plane. To this day, I can't go near LAX, nor watch that scene in The Net for occurance of a mental breakdown. Similarly, I can't watch the Disney movie Heavyweights at all, nor Girl Interrupted. Those if I got treatment like in Girl Interrupted, I doubt I would've become a confused, hateful, sex-crazed maniac. Anyways, as I said, I was led to LA for no reason some time between Fed. 29, 1996 and Mar. 14, 1996. In was the Friday following the 29th, I remember that much.
Recently beforehand, I had decided to dropout of high school. A friend of mine was in home schooling and was only 15 and in college, so I was considering it. I also applied at over 50+ places for a job earlier in January, and was eagerly awaiting word from them. Furthermore, I was an aspiring author, and my mentor, who died shortly after my return in 1998, was coaching me on becoming a professional author for writing computer articles. I was also working on home anime movie efforts with another friend of mine, who was an anime freak. No doubt we would've started a dot-com and bailed at the last minute. Lastly, I had an approved internship awaiting at Westwood Studios, the makers of Command & Conquer game series, plus numerous contacts throughout Hollywood and TV stations. Tru Hawkings of AM 720 KDWN Las Vegas and his fellow DJs were a big help for me. To this day, my mother assumed I was a "troubled" teen because I sought to jumpstart my life by leaving conventional high school and wanted to get home schooling.
Well, thanks to missing those two years of my life (16, 17), I never finished high school, I can't concentrate at college (since 1998 and counting), I can't hold a job of any kind, and due to my inability to lose weight, I can't join the Military (hey, not a pretty alternative, but better than being penniless, which I am now). Other problems I have deal with me, time stopped on March 16, 1996, when the bastards caught me. Everything since then is amnesia. I wake up screaming every night, in a cold sweat. I have nothing but nightmares of that place, and fear sleep in the night, though that's a bit strange, considering they made us "sleep" with the lights on. Anyways, it's sad that Clayton Bowman, a fellow they made me go through one of their "seminars" with, was wasted away into skeleton and now lives in a mental institution forever, since 1998. He left right after I did.
I got lucky.
When I left on January 16, 1998, my 18th birthday, I informed the director, that fucking Mormon bastard Brain Vaifanua, that my family is full of Free Masons and Mafia. He chuckled at first till I saw written proof that the the Samoan Government had learned of my existence and I was freed via that. I don't know about the Mafia part (how much power did they have after Gotti went to jail), but the Free Mason paid off. I was free. Poor Clayton didn't leave till a little bit after me. The few times I did get to see him afterwards, he was gone. Far out. I mean it. He was also scarred, as am I, with ringworms and other ailments. My mother, after my return, couldn't figure out why I couldn't work, wouldn't do my school work, smoked heavily, didn't show up to anything, refused to talk to anybody associated with WWASP programs, and went into sex and drugs like a man posessed. Because I was. You would be, too, if you went thru just one day of what I went through for 22 months. 22 long months. Sadly, all of the evidence I'm aware of my stay has been destroyed. A common pratice, I've heard. But every year that has passed since March 16, 1996, I want to die a little more. I'm called a bum by my friends, but I've not shared my experiences with them. As already stated, my parents turn away, refusing to acknowledge anything about it. My mother's given me over $50,000+ to shut up about it and not go to court. I still refused. She gave me a house in Pahrump, NV, worth $210,000, and I've still thinking of causing a stink. You see, I can't comprehend anything. Quickly, and unfortunately, I have to use those "seminar" "skills" to turn bad situations around in my favor because why I do or say I am wholly unaware of. Like I said, I don't remember ANYTHING from January 16, 1998 till a few hours ago, if that. Oh, I know 9/11 happened that that we're fighting Gulf War II in Iraq, and that I've had sex and did drugs and such, only because people and pictures exist of me doing as such. No actualy recollection exists in my head about it. None.
Example, a Japanese girl who lives in Green Valley, NV, named Yuko, claims I fathered her child, and that we were lovers in 1999. Huh? I set up an extract of money from my trust for her but I don't know her. Strange, huh?
So onward I march.
After getting kidnapped a second time from my own house on March 16, I was dragged to LA again, and watched by this bastard asshole name Atwood. They had their fucking poser son with them, too, and he followed me everywhere, the fuck! They tried to feed me food, but I resisted. They let me have full control of the TV, and even let me wear a fannel the next day. Well, I should've known that allowing me to watch all of the HBO I want would've made me stay up late, and too tired to kick the screen out of a 2nd story window in the hotel they took me to. I even mouthed "Help me," to a babe and her boyfriend. They took a concerned look but didn't do anything. I should've woken up early, and jumped the window. I would've landed on some banana trees in Inglewood, but nevertheless, it's LA, and I can disappear in 10 sec. if given the chance. Also, if I caused a noise in the yard, the cops would've come, and I'd be better off that way.
But no, I watched dirty movies on HBO and then With Honors and Miracle on 34th Street the next morning. To this day, I can't watch those movies alone. Nor can I watch Frasier, which is the sitcom I was watching that night.
You know, the first time I was in LAX I should've let the LAX PD arrest "Terry" and those fuckers for trying to kidnap me. I should've. The Devil was in me. Today? Forget it. I'll fight to the death for my FREEDOM. Yeah, I did fight back then. Strangely, in 10th grade, I had an IQ of 210 according to the tests. My IQ today? 82.
My mom tried to apologize, and something should've tipped me off when my grandparents didn't expect us in LA. They always know when we're coming over. Strange, huh?
As I sat on the plane, Samoans asked if I was playing volleyball. I told them I didn't know shit. I saw some other kids who were dressed the same. I should've organized a rebellion or something. (I almost had a revolution at the cult compound I was at in Dec. '97.) Nothing tipped me off. When we got to Hawaii, some New Zealander fucker gave me a lecture on what a New Zealander is. Whatever, asshole. Then he asked what I was in for. In for? WTF? I said I don't know, writing a novel? They all laughed. Then forced back on the plance to Samoa. Now, if I had known that if I caused a problem in Hawaii or American Samoa, that the PD would've came, I could've done as such. But those fuckers lie at every chance. EVERY CHANCE. To this day, I hope Hawaii and Samoa burns in a volcanic death.
I'm going to skip some details, but here's a list of shit that I had happened to me:
No food.
Sexual abused in everyway.
Repeat beatings.
No water.
No bathroom.
No bedding.
Little items I had were stolen, like my sweaty hat and shoes.
My Bible ripped and wrecked.
What little food I got, stolen from me.
Forced to drink cum, piss, eat shit.
Duct-taped from head to toe for no reason.
No toilet paper.
Had rocks and items thrown at me.
Locked in a hot, wooden box.
Forced to eat paper.
Forced to be naked for a week.
Thrown into the ocean during a typhoon.
Kicked down a hill and had logs thrown on me.
Had a chair slammed into my gut.
Obtained more skin diseases than a POW in Vietnam.
Forced to carry "sandbags" of rocks up and down hills.
Lived in the jungle called Le Tiera.
Screamed at and clubbed during seminars.
Had other "students" "enforce" "rules" on me for no reason.
I'm sure there's more if I went into it day by day. Which I can. In the end, a Christmas arguement broke out between the staff and me. I had the whole "beach" I was in ready to fight back. I had stored over the 22 months, bags, clubs, wood, rocks, homemade slings, homemade spears, shanks from toothbrushes, waterhoses for whips, seashells for spikes in the clubs, nails and screws I found, random kitchen and computer parts for weaponary. Toxic chemicals made from shampoo, toothpaste and sea creatures and plants, and bars of soap for use in socks. A boiling point came when they wanted us to do "choose" from dancing like a bunch of jigaboos and coons and just staying on the "beach" and doing nothing. I chose nothing. The lady in charge comes over and argues with me. She then lays "consequences" on me. Just for disagreeing? Um, hello, we're Americans, we disagree on EVERYTHING! After everybody was forced out, she said I don't get a consequence if I fuck her. Honestly, what the Hell, right? I was there for 20 months by then without pussy or a woman, and I was forced to do gross shit that nobody would do outside of a Dutch porn room, so I did it fast and went about my business. Shows you what kind of "professionals" they hire, huh? The only two good people there were Saliva the Ape and Mr. Tau. They were fired for actually rehabilitating us! Why? Because they had degrees from college and knew how to handle us! WOW! And they were fired. The rest of the fucks were just that, fucks. So anyways, after I did my male deed with a her, I just walked out of the "schoolhouse" alone. I was about to scream, "REVOLUTION!" when I noticed all of weaponary was being taken. I didn't say anything. The "staff" wanted to know who's stuff it was. Nobody talked. Loyality. We were threatened with more of that "consequences" non-sense when I saw the Samoan I just boinked talk to the "staff" in Samoan and the situation was over. She just winked at me and left. I was allowed free reign on that "beach" as long as I stayed around. Just as long as I didn't leave. I don't know if I was a good lay, or they knew that we could take 'em. Or if we failed, we'd have one Hell of a bad story for ACLU to pursue in International Court. Either way, I was free. In a strange way, my "freedom" was kept in a 1984ish way, like in the end of the book, where they let Winston do anything he wants. Only difference is I was aware of it, he wasn't. I also had to boink that fat Samoan staff lady sometimes up to five times a day. Look, physically I enjoyed it, but seriously, if I was living in the States according to my original plan, I'd never boink that!
So comes the last weeks, when I was doing whatever. One staff member tried to "consequence" me the day before I left. Finally, he let up, because the directors told him to. Why? Don't know. He got in trouble, I was "free" to go fuck off as along as I stayed on the "beach". In the end, I was playing video games on the computers they had.
When my time came to leave, I told the guys, "Look, I don't when I'll be going," and I got pulled out of the hut and forced to pack up my stuff and be "upstairs" in five minutes. Those last few weeks and dashing off felt great after 20 months of torture and no food, no freedom. Not even allowed to talk. Look, bluntly, getting ugly pussy helped just as much. It was needed. But for people like Clayton Bowman, Fred McCandles, David Takken, Matt Sunkel, Dustin Hobbs, TJ Bentley, Tommy George, Mike Renick, Chris Sutton (who's dad is Ken Kay's lawyer BTW), Nick Gallagher, Chris Landry (who's dead), Taylor Milan, and others . . . it's didn't help them. They became worse. They became worse.
I'm not against youth teen programs.
I'm against youth teen programs that are ran like a Nazi concentration camp.
Go for it on anybody who wants to sue 'em for pass laws against 'em. I'm all for it. If I could, I'd start one that only takes 20 people and have them work at a computer Internet cafe and attend Church every Sunday. That'd be effective. Not this "though love" bullshit.
TheWho posted this on Tuesday Oct 7 , just two days ago.
viewtopic.php?f=9&t=25925&p=316451#p316451 (http://fornits.com/phpbb/viewtopic.php?f=9&t=25925&p=316451#p316451)
Ha,Ha,Ha you have been here for awhile!! Remember that guy who claimed he was duct taped from head to toe and then carried down to the ocean during a monsoon and thrown in!!! Talk about trying to get attention. Looking back now I think if he toned his story down a little and told us he was forced to carry wood around or study for hours on end he would have got a few people to believe him. But I do think that is the overall classic fabricated story I have heard here.
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Posted yesterday,
http://www.fornits.com/phpbb/viewtopic. ... 35#p316543 (http://www.fornits.com/phpbb/viewtopic.php?f=22&t=25894&st=0&sk=t&sd=a&start=135#p316543)
Look , I laughed at some of the stories which I beleive not to be true.
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@psy: Could you please update us as to where we are with this auction? A neighbor whom I have contracted out to do the drop for me needs to go run some errands, wants to know what's happening... Seems to me that 5pm CET has come and gone, but maybe I'm not translating my time zones correctly. Thanks.
Oh. Right. Forgot bout that. was eating dinner.
TheWho's account is SOLD to Ursus for 90 dollars.
Any last words, whooter?
Drop the cash in the donations account and I'll hand you over the account after TheWho has his last words (i've emailed him to give him an hour).
http://www.dreamhost.com/donate.cgi?id=10300 (http://www.dreamhost.com/donate.cgi?id=10300)
Arg. Neighbor left before your reply, but will be back within three hours. Hang tight.
;D
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@psy: Could you please update us as to where we are with this auction? A neighbor whom I have contracted out to do the drop for me needs to go run some errands, wants to know what's happening... Seems to me that 5pm CET has come and gone, but maybe I'm not translating my time zones correctly. Thanks.
Oh. Right. Forgot bout that. was eating dinner.
TheWho's account is SOLD to Ursus for 90 dollars.
Any last words, whooter?
Drop the cash in the donations account and I'll hand you over the account after TheWho has his last words (i've emailed him to give him an hour).
http://www.dreamhost.com/donate.cgi?id=10300 (http://www.dreamhost.com/donate.cgi?id=10300)
Arg. Neighbor left before your reply, but will be back within three hours. Hang tight.
;D
He is now locked out of his account and the new password has been PMed to you. Congratulations!
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@psy: Could you please update us as to where we are with this auction? A neighbor whom I have contracted out to do the drop for me needs to go run some errands, wants to know what's happening... Seems to me that 5pm CET has come and gone, but maybe I'm not translating my time zones correctly. Thanks.
Oh. Right. Forgot bout that. was eating dinner.
TheWho's account is SOLD to Ursus for 90 dollars.
Any last words, whooter?
Drop the cash in the donations account and I'll hand you over the account after TheWho has his last words (i've emailed him to give him an hour).
http://www.dreamhost.com/donate.cgi?id=10300 (http://www.dreamhost.com/donate.cgi?id=10300)
Arg. Neighbor left before your reply, but will be back within three hours. Hang tight.
;D
I've just been informed that the financials transpired earlier this afternoon. Plus, the extra $$ I was trying to give my neighbor for their trouble ended up being donated to the cause as well, making it a nice round number.
So, TheWho, would you care to make good on your "possible matching donation?" Between the two of us, I figure that would cover 6-7 months. Thanks!
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The reason I haven't said much about the whole issue of Zen outing me lately, is because I couldn't prove it happened. It was my word against his. It really bothered me that I was called a liar. Also, I agree what someone said a while back in this thread about Zen having some kind of hate crush on me. It's pretty sick, and scary. That's another reason I haven't said much. I guess when you're not a 100% anti-program, people here almost wish something bad would happen to you!
For all new readers who might not know me, I have always been against abusive programs, and I've done what I can to speak out about those programs to people who can do something about it. The problem is, is that I do believe in some programs. Which is pretty amazing considering I was sent away at the age of 12, and went to 2 TBS's, a Psychiatric Ward for evaluation for a couple months, and how could I forget? My favorite! A super fun Survival Trip. I just loved starving out in the middle of a desert, and almost dying! I learned so much from that one, lol!!!! All of these things I went through lasted a total of 4 and a 1/2 years straight, and it would've lasted another year, and a half had I not run away for the 10th time, finally getting away. You'd think I would hate every single program out there, but that is not fair to do. Mentioning any good programs have been proven to be a huge mistake, because then those programs are ripped apart, and falsely accused. So, I have learned my lesson to not fall for that one. So, don't ask me to start naming good programs!!!! But, they do exist. You just need to do your homework parents.
Btw, this whole thing of auctioning off The Who's account is fucking ridiculous! No seriously, it is pretty pathetic. It makes Fornits look bad, and it reminds everyone again how unsafe it really is to post here. I never in a million years, especially it being me, someone who really did survive programs, think my personal information could be posted by a moderator, and for no action to be taken against them, and then here's the kicker.....for ME to be called the liar?!!!!!
Well, whatever. It is what it is. I guess people aren't allowed to have a different point of view on this board. That is what you are proving to everyone by doing what you are doing with the Who's account. You do realize that this is making you look incredibly weak, right?????
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You could probably throw desperate in there as well with weak.
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Btw, this whole thing of auctioning off The Who's account is fucking ridiculous! No seriously, it is pretty pathetic. It makes Fornits look bad, and it reminds everyone again how unsafe it really is to post here. I never in a million years, especially it being me, someone who really did survive programs, think my personal information could be posted by a moderator, and for no action to be taken against them, and then here's the kicker.....for ME to be called the liar?!!!!!
Well, whatever. It is what it is. I guess people aren't allowed to have a different point of view on this board. That is what you are proving to everyone by doing what you are doing with the Who's account. You do realize that this is making you look incredibly weak, right?????
wtf does thewho offering his acct up for auction have to do with your flaming about supposedly being called a liar? if everyone here complained about being called a "mean name" from time to time the hosting fees for this place would be enough to solve the energy crisis in a small third world country.
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Psy edited out this part of his post, wonder why...
Because I re-read it and realized it could be taken the wrong way. It was mean of me to say, anyhow, so I apologize to CCM if she was offended.
Imagine how it sounds to people who know for a fact, 100%, that she is telling the truth. Some of us saw the post in question, and were in the thread as it was happening, and know exactly what happened. In that context, you come off just as bad as TheWho.
Psy, you didn't re-read it, and realize it could be taken the wrong way?!!! It's pretty obvious what you meant. You don't like me, or care for my opinions, or respect me very much. You try to play like you are this person who is neutral, when you are anything but!!!! Accept your apology? Was it a sincere apology?!!!! I don't think it was? BTW, it's okay to not like me! It's not okay in my opinion to let some people here get away with massive amounts of shit though, and then to protect them.
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Ok seriously..... CCM girl I like you.. I really do.. But now you are getting on my nerves. Please redirect your questions and complaints via the PM box to the person you want to answer them.
I'm somehow sure you'll actually get more done than endlessly carrying on on the forums.
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Hate to bang a drum that might get played by thewho for a kid requiem, but re. there being no proof ZA outed CCMgirl, the only reason there is no "proof" is that he deleted the post.
Later he said no post ever existed
For months after this, you claimed that it was "proved” that no post ever existed.
Then someone posted a screensave of z.a. stating “no one but me and who saw the post” proving their WAS a post.
Yeah, but in that screencapture, there was never a clear indication of what post he was referring to, and honestly, i've been too busy to check recently, especially since CCM hasn't seemed to be interested in persuing it recently.
Well..It's unarguable that the post ZA refers to below is now MISSING—That post was the one guest quoted with ccm’s info XXXd out. That is the post you and him have been claiming was a fraud.
You notice I left a lot of blanks?
DON'T ask for what you DON'T WANT....I've got as many boundaries as you, who. Obviously.
Now, honor your end and post something other than a dead thread. You're not giving me FACTS, just re-hashes.
Share your "information".
Now I'll honor my end and delete the above.
It's also undeniable that the post he’s talking about below (this's from the screensave) is the one that he’s been claiming never existed—
Post evidence I did what you say - you can't, you never even saw the post. Only the Who and I saw it, and look at the mess your troll pal cooked up with the shit he created.
Put up the link to the original post, with what I said.
ZA’s apparently been lying 2 u, and on this forum that there is NO “missing original” post (which he deleted). You've been parroting that lie up to now, which kinda sucks.
In this post he had all of her info up originally
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fuck off che. If we can bitch about thewho abusing survivors she and anyone else can bitch about a program parent moderator of this very siteabusing survivors
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Btw, this whole thing of auctioning off The Who's account is fucking ridiculous! No seriously, it is pretty pathetic. It makes Fornits look bad, and it reminds everyone again how unsafe it really is to post here. I never in a million years, especially it being me, someone who really did survive programs, think my personal information could be posted by a moderator, and for no action to be taken against them, and then here's the kicker.....for ME to be called the liar?!!!!!
Well, whatever. It is what it is. I guess people aren't allowed to have a different point of view on this board. That is what you are proving to everyone by doing what you are doing with the Who's account. You do realize that this is making you look incredibly weak, right?????
wtf does thewho offering his acct up for auction have to do with your flaming about supposedly being called a liar? if everyone here complained about being called a "mean name" from time to time the hosting fees for this place would be enough to solve the energy crisis in a small third world country.
Aren't you then quoting the wrong part of my post? Because, that has everything to do with this thread, lol!!!!
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Ok seriously..... CCM girl I like you.. I really do.. But now you are getting on my nerves. Please redirect your questions and complaints via the PM box to the person you want to answer them.
I'm somehow sure you'll actually get more done than endlessly carrying on on the forums.
Ok seriously.....Che I don't like you.....I'm madly in love with you.
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Why spread a lie all that time? Why not uncover the post and see what he really wrote, now?
Well, there is no way to un-delete a post, if there was one.
Considering all the lies he’s told about the subject: he’s also changed stories MULTIPLE TIMES about what he posted, and how he got the info..it’s kinda clear already about who’s telling the truth about this.
Well, not really, since i've known him to bluff before on multiple occasions, including one which actually got me in trouble (long story). I'd rather he not do it, but I have known him to do it, and thus, it's hard to tell what is intended as disinformation to get a desired response from his detractors and/or fish for information and what is the genuine article. He gets results, but sometimes it backfires.
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If you’re gonna say his swearing there is no missing post isn’t "lying," just "bluffing," ok, I guess.
I guess if you say his lies, his changing stories about what he posted, the screensaves, the non-deleted posts mean nothing, and if you won’t recover the post he deleted, and the only thing you’ll accept as "proof" of wrongdoing is the deleted post, then there's nothing to be done.
But you’ve created a benchmark that can never be satisfied.
Ginger told me administrators can view PMs. I know there was a time when admin power was given to the sort who would access her PMs. I think by that means, or through her ip is how her info was tracked, but that’s just my belief. What’s factual is the guy posted her info, threatened and humiliated her by exploiting that personal info. I don’t think someone who does that should be on the mast-head. Why not put up Act Da.?
Whatever you do, please stop spreading mis truths about how ZA posted nothing, or that the post with her nameXXXd out is fake, because that’s just not true.
If you really don’t know what happened, just say you don’t know. I think that’s the least that can be done.
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Ok seriously..... CCM girl I like you.. I really do.. But now you are getting on my nerves. Please redirect your questions and complaints via the PM box to the person you want to answer them.
I'm somehow sure you'll actually get more done than endlessly carrying on on the forums.
Ok seriously.....Che I don't like you.....I'm madly in love with you.
Ok baby.. If you really love me you'll take this to pm.
:moon:
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Just because Struggling 'Tards censors doesn't mean fornits shouldn't censor on occasion, too. That logic is severly flawed (I guess we should all stop shitting too since people who post on ST must have to shit now and then.) There are times when it is right to delete things. Like when someone kept posting pics of Zen's daughter, like 95% of what TheWho posts, etc. Whenever this comes up, I hear the same old argument about 'how do we decide, how would we make it fair?' Fuck that. Life isn't perfect, and neither is this site. What do you do? MAKE AN EFFORT AND BE A VERTEBRATE ONCE IN A WHILE, that's what you do! You don't have time? FINE...let an admin who ~does have time take care of it!
I know I'm probably pissing in the wind here, though...can't teach an old dog new tricks... *sigh*
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Ginger told me administrators can view PMs.
That I don't believe. It's not possible and ginger would never say it is. In fact, she has publicly stated quite the opposite. It is NOT possible. Read the phpbb3 manual if you don't believe me.
Look. The other "asd" guest already PMed me under his username letting me know you're not him, so you might as well drop this imitation chirade. I'm not going to play your game. This has already been discussed to death, and unless CCM wants to bring it up again, i'm most likely not going to address it again. There are actual, important, relevant, topics to discuss.
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Ginger told me administrators can view PMs.
That I don't believe. It's not possible and ginger would never say it is. In fact, she has publicly stated quite the opposite. It is NOT possible. Read the phpbb3 manual if you don't believe me.
You should stop making statement of certainty that turn out to be false.
Ginger told me this when I emailed her via myspace. I have been concerned about that issue for some time, before this thing with ccm happened i think, and what she said was that she doesn't think anyone who is admin. would do that, but to be very sure, i should keep my correspondences with people here to email.
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Ok baby.. If you really love me you'll take this to pm.
:moon:
I disagree Che, if I really loved you, we'd be taking this to the am.
Che??? This isn't the same Che who is most well known around these parts as being one of the biggest attention whores in all of Fornits history, is it? WAIT! Did Fornits auction off Che's account too?????? I'm really confused now!
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Ginger told me administrators can view PMs.
That I don't believe. It's not possible and ginger would never say it is. In fact, she has publicly stated quite the opposite. It is NOT possible. Read the phpbb3 manual if you don't believe me.
You should stop making statement of certainty that turn out to be false.
Ginger told me this when I emailed her via myspace.
Bullshit. It's not possible and I highly suspect you're lying about ginger saying that. Ginger knows it's not possible and has stated that multiple times on the forum. Read the phpbb3 manual if you don't believe me. Even if she did say that to you in a myspace message (which I highly, highly, doubt), she would still be wrong. It's just not possible.
Look. The other "asd" guest already PMed me under his username letting me know you're not him, so you might as well drop this imitation chirade. I'm not going to play your game. This has already been discussed to death, and unless CCM wants to bring it up again, i'm most likely not going to address it again. There are actual, important, relevant, topics to discuss.
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Who cares if ginger can read pms or not?
Only someone w/ access to the database could read someone else's PMs.
If she can access it, then she can read them. But I don't care either way.
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Ginger told me administrators can view PMs.
That I don't believe. It's not possible and ginger would never say it is. In fact, she has publicly stated quite the opposite. It is NOT possible. Read the phpbb3 manual if you don't believe me.
Look. The other "asd" guest already PMed me under his username letting me know you're not him, so you might as well drop this imitation chirade. I'm not going to play your game. This has already been discussed to death, and unless CCM wants to bring it up again, i'm most likely not going to address it again. There are actual, important, relevant, topics to discuss.
Oh my god, are you serious?
What the fuck are you talking about? Whom do you mean when you say the "other asd" are you talking about the "asd" that originally posted about hepatitis A, cause that's me.
You are so full of shit
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Whom do you mean when you say the "other asd" are you talking about the "asd" that originally posted about hepatitis A, cause that's me.
One of the perils of always posting anon...
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CCM if you arent willing to name off good programs and the merits of these alleged programs why even bring it up?
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What the fuck are you talking about? Whom do you mean when you say the "other asd" are you talking about the "asd" that originally posted about hepatitis A, cause that's me.
Uh. I believe the original said Hep B, btw. And somebody with that disease would know the difference. Bye bye now.
the PM I got.. i'll quote part of it here:
there is also another guest that is posting that is not me. im not the one continuing to bring up the zen thing, im done with this infighting.
Trying to stir up drama?
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I LOVE OREOS! I LOVE OREOS! I LOVE OREOS!
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Ginger told me administrators can view PMs.
That I don't believe. It's not possible and ginger would never say it is. In fact, she has publicly stated quite the opposite. It is NOT possible. Read the phpbb3 manual if you don't believe me.
You should stop making statement of certainty that turn out to be false.
Ginger told me this when I emailed her via myspace.
Bullshit. It's not possible and I highly suspect you're lying about ginger saying that. Ginger knows it's not possible and has stated that multiple times on the forum. Read the phpbb3 manual if you don't believe me. Even if she did say that to you in a myspace message (which I highly, highly, doubt), she would still be wrong. It's just not possible.
Look. The other "asd" guest already PMed me under his username letting me know you're not him, so you might as well drop this imitation chirade. I'm not going to play your game. This has already been discussed to death, and unless CCM wants to bring it up again, i'm most likely not going to address it again. There are actual, important, relevant, topics to discuss.
i don't "know" what's possible , i do know what ginger said, and hasn't fornits been on a variety of servers? And wouldn't she know better than you? Should I go back and send you the godamn email? Or I'll just p.m. her.
You just go back and forth with someone about not making assumptions and then presenting them as fact. Stop pulling this shit with core users?
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Well. If you want to prove you are who you say you are, PM me again. Otherwise, i'm not answering another one of your posts and am just going on to another thread.
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CCM if you arent willing to name off good programs and the merits of these alleged programs why even bring it up?
Why bid on something you cannot afford to buy?
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What the fuck are you talking about? Whom do you mean when you say the "other asd" are you talking about the "asd" that originally posted about hepatitis A, cause that's me.
Uh. I believe the original said Hep B, btw. And somebody with that disease would know the difference. Bye bye now.
the PM I got.. i'll quote part of it here:
there is also another guest that is posting that is not me. im not the one continuing to bring up the zen thing, im done with this infighting.
Trying to stir up drama?
I DON'T HAVE HEPATITIS A B OR 423! I was joking about being willing to donate blood to keep this forum up. You have the same comprehension skills as thewho.
I've no idea who PMd you. But, DUH, more than 1 anons r posting. The one going back & forth with thewho? Mostly me.
You know, It's more than a bit repulsive that I take time to post on this forum, get info out on it, and then when I say something about an organizational issue that don't want to hear, you use the same personal attacks as thewho , as well as his sort of unsupported assumptions about my identity and "secret" motivations. So it's to "stir up drama," and not because of my rage because of how i disappointed Mom? I guess that's a personal attack and groundless presumption upgrade of sorts.
But, seriously... Fuck off.
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All the Who needs to do now is start his own Pro-Program page. That would be kinda funny.
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Do you think if he did have his own website promoting programs, that a lot of people would spend their time posting over there?
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Do you think if he did have his own website promoting programs, that a lot of people would spend their time posting over there?
Well. I would, same as I did on Lon Woodbury's ST, with probably similar results. I've found that if you take the time and know what to say, many parents who are considering a placement can be talked out of it entierly. Not just to "be careful"... but to entirely be talked out of it and to find a local option. Some don't and will place no-matter-what... but you can't win em all. The way I look at it, a non-placement helps the kid and family directly, as well as hurting the programs by not providing that income.
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He prolly wouldn't allow posting; he knows better. hahahaha
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He prolly wouldn't allow posting; he knows better. hahahaha
The only way to make sure people you agree with can speak is to support the rights of people you don't agree with.
---Eleanor Holmes Norton
TheWho posted that in another thread on political quotes. I'd like to think at least some of this forum would have rubbed off on him. Who knows.
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the PM I got.. i'll quote part of it here:
there is also another guest that is posting that is not me. im not the one continuing to bring up the zen thing, im done with this infighting.
Ok this appears to be a misunderstanding. I am the poster who pm'd psy. I wasn't actually saying that I AM the other guest, I just was saying, since we were both going on about the zen thing, that it's not me who posted about it again, because I already pmed psy what I know, and arguing about it publicly causes division and all that. What I was saying earlier in this thread, and what I pmed psy was I was the one who quoted the original zen post. He posted it as I quoted it (which I changed to not make CCM's & husbands name permanent). He deleted or edited it before I quoted it, but I used my back button to quote it, thats why there was no link to the post.. just like earlier in this thread when I quoted the part of psy's post about CCM he edited out. There is no trace of that either, no edit tag or anything because it happened before I clicked quote, but all I had to do was push the back button in my browser, and copy/pasta.
Since I already stated this a bazillion times in this thread, and then pmed psy about it, I told him I was going to drop it. I was the one arguing with psy about him threatening/banning about what I said in the chatbox. We talked about it and realized that was a misunderstanding, and that's why I said "Im done with this infighting", realizing that it was a mistake and hurts all of us. I got mad in this thread when I read the part of psy's post that basically called CCM a liar(which he edited out, but I then quoted), because I know for 100% fact that the post existed as I quoted it. I thought that statement made survivors look bad and so brought some old shit up angry with psy about that and the double standard of banning me and not thewho.
But, I never said I was this guest who posts as "asd", if it came off like that in the pm, definitely not my intent. in fact I think they called me a troll a few pages ago, hehe. There have been several guests in this thread, and I just wanted you(psy) to know that you were no longer arguing with me.. thats all. Anyways, hope this clears some shit up.
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Yes it would never occur to anyone that someone could pretend to be two people and that the world is flat.
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Psy if I were you I'd simply ignore anyone outside of CCM girl in this matter. Even then I'd only pay her any mind if she private messaged me about it. The rest is a crock of farcical horse shit.
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CCM if you arent willing to name off good programs and the merits of these alleged programs why even bring it up?
Why bid on something you cannot afford to buy?
Oh, SNAP!
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All the Who needs to do now is start his own Pro-Program page. That would be kinda funny.
He wasn't banned, he'll be back sooner or later.(if he's not already posting). He can't help himself.
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fuck off che.
:jerry: ::evil:: ;D :rasta: 8) :P O0 ^-^ :hug:
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Hate to bang a drum that might get played by thewho for a kid requiem, but re. there being no proof ZA outed CCMgirl, the only reason there is no "proof" is that he deleted the post.
Later he said no post ever existed
For months after this, you claimed that it was "proved” that no post ever existed.
Then someone posted a screensave of z.a. stating “no one but me and who saw the post” proving their WAS a post.
Yeah, but in that screencapture, there was never a clear indication of what post he was referring to, and honestly, i've been too busy to check recently, especially since CCM hasn't seemed to be interested in persuing it recently.
Well..It's unarguable that the post ZA refers to below is now MISSING—That post was the one guest quoted with ccm’s info XXXd out. That is the post you and him have been claiming was a fraud.
ZA said no post with CCM's personal info existed. You XXXXd info out? So did Zen apparently. He says he left CCM's info blank.
You notice I left a lot of blanks?
DON'T ask for what you DON'T WANT....I've got as many boundaries as you, who. Obviously.
Now, honor your end and post something other than a dead thread. You're not giving me FACTS, just re-hashes.
Share your "information".
Now I'll honor my end and delete the above.
What "information" was thewho offering to share? Since ZA used blanks to cover CCM's info, thewho was not satisfied and did not share any information as thewho's posts that followed showed.
It's also undeniable that the post he’s talking about below (this's from the screensave) is the one that he’s been claiming never existed—
ZA says he deleted (edited out) "the above". Which would be whatever tease about CCM he used blanks on to protect her identity.
Post evidence I did what you say - you can't, you never even saw the post. Only the Who and I saw it, and look at the mess your troll pal cooked up with the shit he created.
Put up the link to the original post, with what I said.
What mess had a troll "cooked up with the shit he created"? ZA edited it, not deleted it. The post you claim was "deleted" was right in front of you. Probably why ZA was encouraging you to post the original you claimed was deleted. To make you look stupid.
ZA’s apparently been lying 2 u, and on this forum that there is NO “missing original” post (which he deleted). You've been parroting that lie up to now, which kinda sucks.
In this post he had all of her info up originally
Then why does it say:
You notice I left a lot of blanks?
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If you had really backpaged to get that screen shot, the post would still be numbered whether deleted or not. Psy checked and couldn't find a missing post, so you are full of shit. The deleted post your looking for is in the one you keep quoting.
Did you post ZA's address and phone number, and his daughter's pictures? You ignore that incident. If you want the links to those posts, they are still up. So much for your censorship. If admins were deleting and covering for ZA would they have left his family's info up all over the forum?
I think you have an obsession with Psy and ZA that goes beyond hate crush.
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I quoted the post, and removed the information to be respectful to CCM, hoping zen would later delete it and since i was posting as guest without the ability to edit, I didn't want to leave that information up forever, hence the XXX's in the post.
You were hoping Zen would delete it? Why didn't you save what you claim was the "original" post and send it to Psy months ago? It looks like you copied zen's post where he used XXX's to "be respectful to CCM" and then claimed he actually put more in. There's a Zen post in this thread mentioning a troll creating "shit". You've admitted to being that troll.
You waited until Zen took out the XXXX's covering CCM info, that's what you were hoping for. Then you posted yours, claiming Zen used full info. How could he deny it? He did what he said he would. Zen had edited out the info masked with blanks. That gave you free rein to invent any who style bullshit you wanted.
Weak. So very, very weak. After you've been screeching and stamping your feet like a child for nearly a year about CCM and zen, shouldn't it be obvious you can't get your way by crying and lying? Zen and Gookin got past their differences and are friends working together productively. You are some bitchy nobody who was not involved at all. Leave it to the people who were involved. You are not one of them and probably the one who posted ZA's daughter's pics and address up. Since you never mention it you must be trying to avoid it or think it was alright.
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Post evidence I did what you say - you can't, you never even saw the post. Only the Who and I saw it, and look at the mess your troll pal cooked up with the shit he created.
Put up the link to the original post, with what I said.
I'm not "sad but trudy", but I have to respond to this part since it is me being accused of "making shit up". I saw the post before it was edited, and that's why I was able to use by browser history by clicking on the back button to find it again after it was edited. When you are browsing history using your back button, and then click on a quote button in the forum, it reloads a new reply page. If the quote has been edited since you first starting viewing, it will only show the newest version of the quote on your new reply page. My only option was to copy and paste the quote, and I decided to remove CCM's and her husband's name, city and state since I was posting as guest I knew I wasn't going to be able to edit it out later.
I wanted other survivors to know what type of tactic that was used by this moderator, which was blackmail, or "extortion" as Zen referred to it in that very post. (http://http://www.fornits.com/phpbb/viewtopic.php?f=22&t=25362&st=0&sk=t&sd=a&start=150#p309739) It goes to whether you can trust this forum or not. It looks bad when moderators use a survivor's personal information to win points in a flamewar with TheWho.
Zen brings up his daughter being outed. I am equally outraged about that, which was just as damaging and messed up as the first outing in that thread. To accuse survivors of it is wrong though, since we know who posted her picture. To accuse survivors of posting his address, is obviously off base, since only people that know his personal information could reveal it, which I doubt he was handing out to anonymous fornits posters such as myself or "sad but trudy".
I'm tired of this topic, but I will have no problem stating what I know to be true, and what I saw. I'm not just going to sit by and say nothing when people call CCM a liar based on lies. Survivors posting in the future will be suspect of whether it's in their interest to reveal personal information, or any information at all on this forum. But, whatever, I just wanted to address this portion that refers to my guest post as "moderate." Hopefully this helps clear some more shit up.
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I quoted the post, and removed the information to be respectful to CCM, hoping zen would later delete it and since i was posting as guest without the ability to edit, I didn't want to leave that information up forever, hence the XXX's in the post.
You were hoping Zen would delete it? Why didn't you save what you claim was the "original" post and send it to Psy months ago? It looks like you copied zen's post where he used XXX's to "be respectful to CCM" and then claimed he actually put more in. There's a Zen post in this thread mentioning a troll creating "shit". You've admitted to being that troll.
Because I don't care about stupid dramas like this, and haven't been around fornits for a while. Now I see people accusing CCM and other survivors of being liars, on what I know to be 100% true. I quoted the post that zen edited, now he claims that it never existed as I quoted it. He's lying. CCM isn't.
You waited until Zen took out the XXXX's covering CCM info, that's what you were hoping for. Then you posted yours, claiming Zen used full info. How could he deny it? He did what he said he would. Zen had edited out the info masked with blanks. That gave you free rein to invent any who style bullshit you wanted.
It's you zen who is making up bullshit right now, why don't you just apologize to CCM and we can move on from this?
Weak. So very, very weak. After you've been screeching and stamping your feet like a child for nearly a year about CCM and zen, shouldn't it be obvious you can't get your way by crying and lying?
From what I can see, there are several guests keeping this topic alive. If you want to assume they are all the same person then go ahead and do so. I haven't talked about it since back in that carcass thread, but if psy wants to know what happened, what I saw and what I quoted, I will tell him. What's your problem with this? Don't you think psy is smart enough to figure out what happened?
Zen and Gookin got past their differences and are friends working together productively. You are some bitchy nobody who was not involved at all. Leave it to the people who were involved. You are not one of them and probably the one who posted ZA's daughter's pics and address up. Since you never mention it you must be trying to avoid it or think it was alright.
I was involved, because I quoted the post that you are now calling made up. I am responding with my version of what happened and know to be true, and that's it. You came and pulled apart my posts, that describe what I saw, and accuse me of being bitchy? lol. Everyone already knows who posted your daughter's pics. Why do you think that person posted her pics? Maybe you should ask them. How would I know your address? Did you ever send it to me? Your accusations are way of base, but you know this. You are just trying to cover up the fact you are continuing a lie. I'm over it, obviously you aren't.
I pmed psy what I know, and you can continue to try to cover up your "extortion" of a survivor on the forum, but we know what happened. CCM isn't the liar, zen is.
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It's you zen who is making up bullshit right now, why don't you just apologize to CCM and we can move on from this?
God loves us, I was the poster pointing out the holes in your story and I am not Zen, nor am I CCM, Psy, or thewho. You really need to quit accusing people of things you don't know. If you want Zen to apologize to CCM, PM him with your concerns. Look over this thread. It started off about the who's auction and turned to this? Read back over it and it's pretty obvious zen isn't responding.
Wait. Weren't you the one who was all bitched up about being identified as another poster? You really are a bullshit artist. The message Fornits and the admins sent to you and false claims should be clear after this long: it's fuck you. You've been heard and dismissed. the burden of proof is on you. Screaming "I saw it" over and over proves you're an asshole but nothing else.
Like Che said: Take it to the PM's and contact Zen. If you're too scared to do that, then shut the fuck up. You should be banned because you're engaging in spamming this for ages.
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I quoted the post, and removed the information to be respectful to CCM, hoping zen would later delete it and since i was posting as guest without the ability to edit, I didn't want to leave that information up forever, hence the XXX's in the post.
You were hoping Zen would delete it? Why didn't you save what you claim was the "original" post and send it to Psy months ago? It looks like you copied zen's post where he used XXX's to "be respectful to CCM" and then claimed he actually put more in. There's a Zen post in this thread mentioning a troll creating "shit". You've admitted to being that troll.
When I pmed psy, he asked me what happened, and since it has been so long since I made the post as moderate, and as I am not a daily follower of fornits drama, I had to re-read the thread to remember what happened.
It happens just as I said in my previous post. Zen made the post, I saw it, then he edited it, I tried to quote it but it quoted the new post, so I used had to copy/paste it instead. Yes, the post did include a few X's that blocked out some letters in her, her husband's full name, city and state. But it was easy enough to fill in the blanks, the effect was the same. To call leaving a few letters out of her information "respectful to CCM" is absurd. The post was made as exortion against TheWho as zen indicated.
Personally, I don't think TheWho cared if CCM's info was posted, and I don't understand the tactic used by Zen that would assume theWho would stop posting or whatever his demands were if he kept releasing drip by drip, CCM's information. Later in the thread Zen said CCM was lucky he didn't release her arrest record and phone numbers, indicating he had pulled a full background check on her. Not exactly the kind of safe-to-post image fornits is trying to portray, when moderators do that sort of thing, know what I mean?
You are saying I claimed that zen put in more than he did. Let's clear that up right now, then maybe Zen can come forward and agree that my quote as moderate was accurate. There were some X's in place of letters, but he posted enough letters of their full names, city and state to use it as a threat. He made it clear he had the information, and was ready to release it. That's bad enough, so let's stop quibbling over if some letters were left out of his post, ok?
So with the matter of the X's in the post cleared up, we can agree that Zen, a moderator used the personal information of a program survivor to extort TheWho during a flamewar. Isn't that enough to question the safety of posting on this forum and wonder about the reliability of the trustworthy of the moderator in question?
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God loves us, I was the poster pointing out the holes in your story and I am not Zen, nor am I CCM, Psy, or thewho.
I really could care less who you are, I am just stating what I know, to help clear up the situation. Someone quoted my post and I responded to it. I have a learning disability where sometimes I address the wrong person or topic or something,but I was responding to a quote by zen that I saw that called my post as moderate made up by a troll and that's not true. I quoted the post as a warning to other survivors that this is the sort of thing this moderator is willing to do its not that complicated.
You really need to quit accusing people of things you don't know.
I know what I know, and I explained that in my posts. I think it's clear enough, and really care about this enough to try and convince people on open forum anymore. I told the people who need to know what I saw in PM, they can do with that information what they want. All I can say is what I saw and what I know.
If you want Zen to apologize to CCM, PM him with your concerns.
I don't really care one way or another. My post was called made-up by zen agent in a quote I was responding to, and started addressing him directly because sometimes my mind wanders like that, but I think my points still come across easy enough to understand. I know what I saw, and know CCM isn't a liar.
Look over this thread. It started off about the who's auction and turned to this? Read back over it and it's pretty obvious zen isn't responding.
His quote was on the last page that said my post as moderate was made up. It wasn't and I addressed this fact. I don't know about Zen, and don't follow his posts. I do know I saw a post where he extorted a survivor using fear of releasing her personal information to get back at TheWho, and that's not something that sits well with me.
Wait. Weren't you the one who was all bitched up about being identified as another poster? You really are a bullshit artist.
You keep calling me a bitch. lol. I was trying to tell Psy that I was not that ASD poster who was also bringing up this topic. I told psy I had enough of this topic and the division it creates and was moving on, but now I'm being told I made up the quote from my imagination. That's not how it happened.
The message Fornits and the admins sent to you and false claims should be clear after this long: it's fuck you. You've been heard and dismissed. the burden of proof is on you. Screaming "I saw it" over and over proves you're an asshole but nothing else.
I didn't realize you speak for admins. Well I pmed an admin what I know, and it's up to him whether he wants to believe me or not. I am fine leaving it at that, because I know what's true and in time it will eventually be figured out. Why are you so angry about all of this?
Like Che said: Take it to the PM's and contact Zen. If you're too scared to do that, then shut the fuck up. You should be banned because you're engaging in spamming this for ages.
I don't have to shut the fuck up, that's the nice thing about fornits. And lucky for me, I was careful enough not to reveal my personal information to moderators like Zen, who would have no problem using it to extort me, to force me to "shut the fuck up."
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It's you zen who is making up bullshit right now, why don't you just apologize to CCM and we can move on from this?
I was under the impression that zen already apologized to CCM and everybody already moved on from this. Except that somebody (you?) keeps bringing it again and then CCM chimes in again and then it starts all over again.
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It's you zen who is making up bullshit right now, why don't you just apologize to CCM and we can move on from this?
I was under the impression that zen already apologized to CCM and everybody already moved on from this. Except that somebody (you?) keeps bringing it again and then CCM chimes in again and then it starts all over again.
I didn't bring it up. Go back and start on page 17-18. The first post I can find that mentions the CCM vs Kevin drama specifically is made by "asda" (http://http://www.fornits.com/phpbb/viewtopic.php?f=22&t=25894&st=0&sk=t&sd=a&start=255#p316927), who is not me. "asda" was responding to Psy's post (http://http://www.fornits.com/phpbb/viewtopic.php?f=22&t=25894&st=0&sk=t&sd=a&start=240#p316918) which mentioned Zen's address being posted when talking about threats, so if you want to accuse someone of bringing it up, send a pm to your friendly neighborhood admin. I was responding to psy's edited out portion that said CCM can't be belived in this situation. Since I know that's not true, I spoke up to let psy know what I saw in regard to that specific situation.
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It's you zen who is making up bullshit right now, why don't you just apologize to CCM and we can move on from this?
I was under the impression that zen already apologized to CCM
he did.
Postby ZenAgent on 05 Mar 2008, 03:07
viewtopic.php?f=22&t=25362&p=310275&hilit=apologize+CCM#p310275 (http://fornits.com/wwf/viewtopic.php?f=22&t=25362&p=310275&hilit=apologize+CCM#p310275)
Okay, first I'd like to apologize to CCM - I didn't use anything more than your first name and home state, (you used to sign your posts with your first name). I did add your husband's first name, too. Not enough info to threaten your privacy. You know I didn't post the pics. Again, I apologize.
God loathes us knows too:
Hell, zen even apologizes to CCM for posting it. But that thread matters little to me. I know 100% that post in question was real, as I quoted it, but I'm not going to waste my time trying to convince anyone of this.
You sound like a true programee. "God damn it, I'm right and everyone else is wrong! I don't need no proof"!
I wanted other survivors to know what type of tactic that was used by this moderator, which was blackmail, or "extortion" as Zen referred to it in that very post.
You mean this post? Who was Z accusing of extortion? Thewho!
CCM NAME REMOVED---, CCM HUSBANDS NAME REMOVED..., CITY REMOVED------, STATE REMOVED...You want me to keep going with this? I will, but I consider it extortion. You might want to check with your friend before you ask for more than she wants out there.
I'll delete this after you answer me...
Z was being pushed by the who and stopped short of giving full info. He called the who's demand extortion and encouraged who to ask CCM for permission. Zen was being extorted by thewho.
And you "eyewitnesses" disagree:
Yes, the post did include a few X's that blocked out some letters in her, her husband's full name, city and state. But it was easy enough to fill in the blanks(?), the effect was the same. To call leaving a few letters out of her information "respectful to CCM" is absurd.
I was the one who quoted the original zen post. He posted it as I quoted it (which I changed to not make CCM's & husbands name permanent)
ZA’s apparently been lying 2 u, and on this forum that there is NO “missing original” post (which he deleted). You've been parroting that lie up to now, which kinda sucks. In this post he had all of her info up originally
So much for the witnesses.
: He posted it as I quoted it (which I changed to not make CCM's & husbands name permanent
: You've been parroting that lie up to now, which kinda sucks. In this post he had all of her info up originally
: Yes, the post did include a few X's that blocked out some letters in her, her husband's full name, city and state. But it was easy enough to fill in the blanks(?)
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Besides, you come forward in October claiming to be the poster "moderate", the person who originally posted the doctored quote? You don't get on Fornits much do you? Moderate posted an explanation and an apology on 18 Aug 2008, 21:09
viewtopic.php?f=9&t=25469&start=135#p313565 (http://fornits.com/wwf/viewtopic.php?f=9&t=25469&start=135#p313565)
CCM NAME REMOVED---, CCM HUSBANDS NAME REMOVED..., CITY REMOVED------, STATE REMOVED...You want me to keep going with this? I will, but I consider it extortion. You might want to check with your friend before you ask for more than she wants out there.
I'll delete this after you answer me...
You notice I left a lot of blanks?
DON'T ask for what you DON'T WANT....I've got as many boundaries as you, who. Obviously.
Now, honor your end and post something other than a dead thread. You're not giving me FACTS, just re-hashes.
Share your "information".
Now I'll honor my end and delete the above.
I'm the poster who signed in as "moderate" I was only trying to fuck with theWho, not Zen. You trolls ran with it. Zen never posted shit about Cc
No, troll: YOU ALTERED MY POST!!!! Shit, I never expected a joke to be taken so far.
The original I made up:
http://fornits.com/smf/viewtopic.php?f= ... 50#p309739 (http://fornits.com/smf/viewtopic.php?f=22&t=25362&st=0&sk=t&sd=a&start=150#p309739)
CCM NAME REMOVED---, CCM HUSBANDS NAME REMOVED..., CITY REMOVED------, STATE REMOVED...You want me to keep going with this? I will, but I consider it extortion. You might want to check with your friend before you ask for more than she wants out there.
I'll delete this after you answer me...
See how I provided my actual link?
IDIOT TROLL! Proof once and for all you know that zen never posted shit. I know, because I posted the "name deleted", etc. bullshit.
Zen, I apologize. I only wanted to take the piss out of theWho. Never expected the PV shitheads to troll the livin' bejesus out of it or post your kid's info and your address. Think about it, who else would have your address and phone # at their fingertips?
I'm truly sorry to Siobhan and the family. I can't believe this snowballed. And PV trolls, you can burn in hell, douche bags. Don't try to make up shit to discredit people who are exposing the kid torture camp you run.
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Zen was being extorted by thewho.
Now that is funny.
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You are saying I claimed that zen put in more than he did. Let's clear that up right now, then maybe Zen can come forward and agree that my quote as moderate was accurate. There were some X's in place of letters, but he posted enough letters of their full names, city and state to use it as a threat. He made it clear he had the information, and was ready to release it. That's bad enough, so let's stop quibbling over if some letters were left out of his post, ok?
I think everybody is under the impression (based on your quoted post) that Zen posted the rest of her name (which he claims he could not have posted because he didn't know them). They didn't know what you blanked out. I assumed the "moderate" post was attempting to say that he had actually posting her full name. If what you blanked out was just a letter and periods, then isn't it possible that he was just bluffing as he claims and never actually knew her full name?
Either way, if his bluff has caused this much trouble, he shouldn't have done it.
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Just because Struggling 'Tards censors doesn't mean fornits shouldn't censor on occasion, too. That logic is severly flawed (I guess we should all stop shitting too since people who post on ST must have to shit now and then.) There are times when it is right to delete things. Like when someone kept posting pics of Zen's daughter, like 95% of what TheWho posts, etc. Whenever this comes up, I hear the same old argument about 'how do we decide, how would we make it fair?' Fuck that. Life isn't perfect, and neither is this site. What do you do? MAKE AN EFFORT AND BE A VERTEBRATE ONCE IN A WHILE, that's what you do! You don't have time? FINE...let an admin who ~does have time take care of it!
I know I'm probably pissing in the wind here, though...can't teach an old dog new tricks... *sigh*
Yep, pissin in the wind. Program had rules = all rules are bad. The social experiment continues. Chaos rules.
You've been here a while. Do you ever remember this kind of bullshit pre-Psy, Che?
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You are saying I claimed that zen put in more than he did. Let's clear that up right now, then maybe Zen can come forward and agree that my quote as moderate was accurate. There were some X's in place of letters, but he posted enough letters of their full names, city and state to use it as a threat. He made it clear he had the information, and was ready to release it. That's bad enough, so let's stop quibbling over if some letters were left out of his post, ok?
I think everybody is under the impression (based on your quoted post) that Zen posted the rest of her name (which he claims he could not have posted because he didn't know them). They didn't know what you blanked out. I assumed the "moderate" post was attempting to say that he had actually posting her full name. If what you blanked out was just a letter and periods, then isn't it possible that he was just bluffing as he claims and never actually knew her full name?
Either way, if his bluff has caused this much trouble, he shouldn't have done it.
I will respond. CCM posted her full name everywhere. I still didn't post it. You - God Freak - I caught you twice lying about the content - first you claim I put the "full info" in, and then you backtrack and say I used blanks. What did you actually see, or make up? Tell me something - after what you pigs did to my kid, if I had CCM's full info I would have posted it. My "bluff" didn't cause this trouble, Psy. I said what I wanted to CCM - the rest of you can go to hell. Make your minds up, but shut up. I read this mealymouthed whining going on for what, 23 pages? It ended up having nothing to do with the who and more to do with CCM's urge to whine and this Christer's persecution complex.
Zen brings up his daughter being outed. I am equally outraged about that, which was just as damaging and messed up as the first outing in that thread.
Really? Where were the blanks in my kid's name and address ? Did you not see the pictures? If you think that was "just as damaging" as a bunch of blanks I used to cover the name of a poster who has a posted list of people she's torched, then you really are a Christian. My step daughter didn't post here, but you and your crew knew abusing her was the best way to get at me. Bad news, though: Jesus thinks you're a grand asshole.
But still and all, you're a bunch of fucking liars - and don't get uptight, that's freedom of speech. From weak admins to people like you, Christ-a lot. All of you be damned.
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Ok seriously..... CCM girl I like you.. I really do.. But now you are getting on my nerves. Please redirect your questions and complaints via the PM box to the person you want to answer them.
I'm somehow sure you'll actually get more done than endlessly carrying on on the forums.
Careful CCM, now you're getting on Gook's nerves. You're treading on dangerous water. Best heed his warning and shut your trap on the forum. Sounds like censorship to me.
It was so much nicer before the forum was highjacked by ChePsy. Ginger would have never gone on and on and on and on about issues with people. Things got resolved and the forum moved on. You two have turned this place into a shit fest it will never recover from.
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My "bluff" didn't cause this trouble, Psy.
He doesn't know what due process is. He talks shit about shit he knows shit about. Always jumping in to speak for others. Making up lame excuses for people when they aren't necessary. Misquoting. Assuming. Defending, as if the other person can't do that for themselves. Jezus christ, why don't you shut the fuck up and let others speak for themselves. You just add to the confustion. We don't see Kelly and Ginger out here going round and round. What is your problem? What's different about you? Why such a strong need to C-O-N-T-R-O-L Fornits.
Ginger, can't you pull in the reigns on this guy. He continues to give the forum a bad name. Shut him up for god's sake. I thought he was going to have two user accounts. One to post technical bullshit, and another regular account, just another poster. Why do you continue to allow him, and to a lessor degree Che, to represent Fornits.
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College dropouts with a smattering of Spanish are being sought for office work in China. It's preferable to an unhealthy Fornits obsession.
http://www.abroadchina.org/chinese/index.htm (http://www.abroadchina.org/chinese/index.htm)
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Just because Struggling 'Tards censors doesn't mean fornits shouldn't censor on occasion, too. That logic is severly flawed (I guess we should all stop shitting too since people who post on ST must have to shit now and then.) There are times when it is right to delete things. Like when someone kept posting pics of Zen's daughter, like 95% of what TheWho posts, etc. Whenever this comes up, I hear the same old argument about 'how do we decide, how would we make it fair?' Fuck that. Life isn't perfect, and neither is this site. What do you do? MAKE AN EFFORT AND BE A VERTEBRATE ONCE IN A WHILE, that's what you do! You don't have time? FINE...let an admin who ~does have time take care of it!
I know I'm probably pissing in the wind here, though...can't teach an old dog new tricks... *sigh*
Yep, pissin in the wind. Program had rules = all rules are bad. The social experiment continues. Chaos rules.
You've been here a while. Do you ever remember this kind of bullshit pre-Psy, Che?
^^^^DaWho's back with schizo obfuscate? lol..
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Did you really think I was leaving?
You knew I was a snake before you brought me in.
HaHaHa...
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Ok seriously..... CCM girl I like you.. I really do.. But now you are getting on my nerves. Please redirect your questions and complaints via the PM box to the person you want to answer them.
I'm somehow sure you'll actually get more done than endlessly carrying on on the forums.
Careful CCM, now you're getting on Gook's nerves. You're treading on dangerous water. Best heed his warning and shut your trap on the forum. Sounds like censorship to me.
It was so much nicer before the forum was highjacked by ChePsy. Ginger would have never gone on and on and on and on about issues with people. Things got resolved and the forum moved on. You two have turned this place into a shit fest it will never recover from.
^^^^More DaWho? ugh.
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Zen has resigned as PV forum moderator. I've made act.da the moderator instead.
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Zen has resigned as PV forum moderator. I've made act.da the moderator instead.
Bullshit. I said I would resign if you were going to let people like Christ boy and CCM call the shots. You want me to post the PM? Psy, you have gone over the edge. But fuck, it's your decision to bend over for the two trolls. I did not resign, though. Control your temper, Psy. You gave me "options" to diffuse CCM and Jesus boy? Those weren't options.
Why do you do this shit, Psy? You skim my PM and don't get the meaning. If you're going to yank my mod status, I want to see the reasons why. Was I too easy on PV? Nah - the clinical staff all got their walking papers and business is suffering. My wife and I did what we could, but she and I both agree that Fornits has spun down the toilet. As a mutual friend of ours said "I'd rather see Fornits shut down then continue - it's and embarrassment and does more harm than good".
I don't believe you, Psy.
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Zen has resigned as PV forum moderator. I've made act.da the moderator instead.
Bullshit. I said I would resign if you were going to let people like Christ boy and CCM call the shots.
Actually, you said "Take me off the mod status for PV, if CCM calls the shots I want no part of this shit."
I took that as "ccm calls the shots. I resign" not "if ccm calls the shots, i'll resign". If you meant your resignation to be conditional, then so be it, and i'll add you back to the PV forum mod list. CCM does not call the shots, nor does anybody else 'cept Ginger, ultimately, but there is a concern when actual survivors (not just CCM) are concerned with the perception that you're a somehow a loose cannon who might go after them. I realize that your "bluff" attack on her was defense reaction and that she went after you first, but the fact of the situation is that there is a perception (albeit misguided) that you can't be trusted. That is why I suggested you apologize to CCM for bluffing. It's not to concede anything or give in to demands, but rather to calm the situation and the fears others might have (however unfounded).
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Zen has resigned as PV forum moderator. I've made act.da the moderator instead.
Bullshit. I said I would resign if you were going to let people like Christ boy and CCM call the shots. You want me to post the PM? Psy, you have gone over the edge. But fuck, it's your decision to bend over for the two trolls. I did not resign, though. Control your temper, Psy.
I'm still not sure what powers a moderator really has?!! But, if Zen is getting this upset.....is it unreasonable for me to think he has access to more information then lets say, me? Whatever, like I always say....it is what it is. Zen did apologize to me. But, the problem is he never admitted to posting my full information. He was always defending himself saying he did post it. But, with a bunch of blanks. I know Zen got some of my personal information from here, and whatever powers he was given as a moderator. Once he had some of my info, it was pretty easy to go around to the other sites, and identify me. I'm sure he was able to gather more information on me. Enough to run a full background check. I still think that is creepy as all hell, but hey, it is what it is. If I was your wife, I'd be like WTF is your obsession with this CCM girl?????? I don't think it's normal to run background checks on people like me that you come across on a board such as this one. It's not like I was employed by one of these places? I was someone who was stuck in these places for 4, and a 1/2 years?!!! 4, AND A 1/2 YEARS!!!!!! Do you know how long that felt to me? You can't possibly!!! And Zen, if you could, if you were able to empathize with what I went through for 4, and a 1/2 years, I don't think you would have done what you did to me. So, then I have to ask......Who the fuck are you really? Sorry, I can't help but be suspicious! I don't think someone whose step-daughter went through all this crap, as you say she did, would out someone like me.
So, who is Zen really? Some of you say he's a parent whose step-daughter was sent to one of these programs, and that he pulled her, and ever since has been speaking out against them? I don't know if that is true or not. I mean just because of how he has treated me.
Sorry about all this. If Zen had just been honest in the very beginning.......we wouldn't still be ::deadhorse:: this to death!!!!!!!!
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Zen has resigned as PV forum moderator. I've made act.da the moderator instead.
Bullshit. I said I would resign if you were going to let people like Christ boy and CCM call the shots. You want me to post the PM? Psy, you have gone over the edge. But fuck, it's your decision to bend over for the two trolls. I did not resign, though. Control your temper, Psy.
I'm still not sure what powers a moderator really has?!! But, if Zen is getting this upset.....is it unreasonable for me to think he has access to more information then lets say, me? Whatever, like I always say....it is what it is. Zen did apologize to me. But, the problem is he never admitted to posting my full information. He was always defending himself saying he did post it. But, with a bunch of blanks. I know Zen got some of my personal information from here, and whatever powers he was given as a moderator. Once he had some of my info, it was pretty easy to go around to the other sites, and identify me. I'm sure he was able to gather more information on me. Enough to run a full background check. I still think that is creepy as all hell, but hey, it is what it is. If I was your wife, I'd be like WTF is your obsession with this CCM girl?????? I don't think it's normal to run background checks on people like me that you come across on a board such as this one. It's not like I was employed by one of these places? I was someone who was stuck in these places for 4, and a 1/2 years?!!! 4, AND A 1/2 YEARS!!!!!! Do you know how long that felt to me? You can't possibly!!! And Zen, if you could, if you were able to empathize with what I went through for 4, and a 1/2 years, I don't think you would have done what you did to me. So, then I have to ask......Who the fuck are you really? Sorry, I can't help but be suspicious! I don't think someone whose step-daughter went through all this crap, as you say she did, would out someone like me.
So, who is Zen really? Some of you say he's a parent whose step-daughter was sent to one of these programs, and that he pulled her, and ever since has been speaking out against them? I don't know if that is true or not. I mean just because of how he has treated me.
Sorry about all this. If Zen had just been honest in the very beginning.......we wouldn't still be ::deadhorse:: this to death!!!!!!!!
Read above, CCM - your Jesus friend admitted I used blanks for your info. You believe what you want. And no, I do not resign my mod status on the PV forum - so cancel your party, CCM. You don't call the shots.
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Zen has resigned as PV forum moderator. I've made act.da the moderator instead.
Bullshit. I said I would resign if you were going to let people like Christ boy and CCM call the shots. You want me to post the PM? Psy, you have gone over the edge. But fuck, it's your decision to bend over for the two trolls. I did not resign, though. Control your temper, Psy.
I'm still not sure what powers a moderator really has?!! But, if Zen is getting this upset.....is it unreasonable for me to think he has access to more information then lets say, me? Whatever, like I always say....it is what it is. Zen did apologize to me. But, the problem is he never admitted to posting my full information. He was always defending himself saying he did post it. But, with a bunch of blanks.
But that's precisely what the "god" guest said (who has PMed me and I actually know him/her quite well and trust him/her). He was "moderate". He said it was posted with a bunch of blanks.
I consider it highly probably that Zen bluffed that he actually knew your full name and still doesn't. Still, it did scare a lot of people, which is why I suggested he apologize.
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Look. Will you two just put this drama behind you, shut the fuck up, and make up. PLEASE! You both look childish carrying on about this.
Zen has done more than anybody else I know against PV, and CCM... well... I'm sure she has done stuff too. So we're all on the same side here.
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I'm If I was your wife, I'd be like WTF is your obsession with this CCM girl??????
My wife is well aware of who you are - you insulted her, too. We share a mutual loathing for you.
Who the fuck are you really? Sorry, I can't help but be suspicious! I don't think someone whose step-daughter went through all this crap, as you say she did, would out someone like me.
Two months ago I spoke at the Georgetown Institute Systems of Care presentation to a group of mental health pros about the rampant abuse at Peninsula Village and the TTI in general. That included what you went through, CCM. What have you done?
So, who is Zen really? Some of you say he's a parent whose step-daughter was sent to one of these programs, and that he pulled her, and ever since has been speaking out against them? I don't know if that is true or not. I mean just because of how he has treated me]
Many of us could say the same about you, CCM - I read that long, long list of flames and insults you directed at tons of people. You're worried because I don't like you? I cite that list of your insults again.
Sorry about all this. If Zen had just been honest in the very beginning.......we wouldn't still be ::deadhorse:: this to death!!!!!!!!
I WAS honest.
Read above, CCM - your Jesus friend admitted I used blanks for your info. You believe what you want. And no, I do not resign my mod status on the PV forum - so cancel your party, CCM. You don't call the shots.
To God loves us all - you did admit I used blanks to disguise this woman's identity, and I get the feeling that still upset you. I appreciate your honesty in setting the record straight about CCM's info not being posted in full, as she and theWho claimed.. Accept my sincere apology for causing you alarm, I understand now why you viewed it as a threat. Please believe me, I would NEVER post the full info of a poster. Even after my daughter's address, phone number and pictures with mocking comments went up, I refrained from retaliation. The individuals who posted my kid's info felt no inclination to mask her info with XXXX's.
CCM, I already apologized to you. If you can't accept that I blocked out your info with blanks,, maybe you should talk with God loves us all. He actually saw the post.
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CCM if you arent willing to name off good programs and the merits of these alleged programs why even bring it up?
This sounds like a fairly reasonable question, all things considered. I'd be the last person to tell someone what they 'should' think about any experience. Listen first, then ask questions. Something like that. Perhaps CCM has already claimed that she got something from her stay at Cross Creek. If she believes that, I'd hear her out first before giving her the 3rd degree over it. Maybe there is more history here to all of this, perhaps discussions over this very thing have already taken place.
But really, CCM -- if you are going to make a statement like that on a board like this, it would probably be wise of you to back those statements up with something in the way of specifics.
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it would probably be wise of you to back those statements up with something in the way of specifics.
Or why she wouldn't. Such as because there is no way to tell a "good" program from a "bad" one.
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All the Who needs to do now is start his own Pro-Program page. That would be kinda funny.
He really should, CCM, and I would encourage him to do so; at least then he could push his agenda without all this unnecessary drama.
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Just because Struggling 'Tards censors doesn't mean fornits shouldn't censor on occasion, too. That logic is severly flawed (I guess we should all stop shitting too since people who post on ST must have to shit now and then.) There are times when it is right to delete things. Like when someone kept posting pics of Zen's daughter, like 95% of what TheWho posts, etc. Whenever this comes up, I hear the same old argument about 'how do we decide, how would we make it fair?' Fuck that. Life isn't perfect, and neither is this site. What do you do? MAKE AN EFFORT AND BE A VERTEBRATE ONCE IN A WHILE, that's what you do! You don't have time? FINE...let an admin who ~does have time take care of it!
I know I'm probably pissing in the wind here, though...can't teach an old dog new tricks... *sigh*
Yep, pissin in the wind. Program had rules = all rules are bad. The social experiment continues. Chaos rules.
You've been here a while. Do you ever remember this kind of bullshit pre-Psy, Che?
Sure. Conversation consisting of 'programs are good vs programs are bad' discussed by program survivors and staunch believers in said programs is a breeding ground for all sorts of bullshit. Couple this with admins who take an extremist stance on moderation (yes, pre-Psy & Che), as in little or NO moderation, then you have people like TheWho posting the same lies over and over again with no intervention, people posting people's personal info on the site, direct death threats, and a myriad of other troubling shit to contend with.
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Zen has resigned as PV forum moderator. I've made act.da the moderator instead.
Bullshit. I said I would resign if you were going to let people like Christ boy and CCM call the shots.
Actually, you said "Take me off the mod status for PV, if CCM calls the shots I want no part of this shit."
I took that as "ccm calls the shots. I resign" not "if ccm calls the shots, i'll resign". [/quote]
Psy goes off half-cocked again. What a crock of shit lame excuse. If it's true.... Could we get a competent judge in here?
CCM does not call the shots, nor does anybody else 'cept Ginger, ultimately, but there is a concern when actual survivors (not just CCM) are concerned with the perception that you're a somehow a loose cannon who might go after them.
It's not to concede anything or give in to demands, but rather to calm the situation and the fears others might have (however unfounded).
An apology? Is that what it takes to dispell fear? Were not in grade school here. An apology is admitting guilt. Guilt that hasn't been proven. What would stop it from happening again? An Apology? Post the facts, let them speak for themselves. If there are no Facts (do you know what that means?) then wipe the slate clean and warn the moderator that they'll be de-modded if they c/p info about someone they found on another public venue. Is that what the new "rule" is? Can we get a list of these unspoken rules? One day there are none- open free-for-all, fin-for-yourself, Next day Psy is oiling a squeeky wheels and making shit up as he goes, based on how righteous he feels that day. And why does Fornits have moderators anyway? I thought they were all banned after Che's jihad on the site. What is their role? What are they allowed to do? Why are they necessary?
And where is the harm? If the alleged post ever even existed, it is gone and only, apparently 3 people claim to have seen it. That's a hell of a lot better than what has happened to other survivors whose personal info remains posted by staff or trolls. Why does CCM get preferential treatment? Is this what you call fair? Why not take down Z's daughter's info? What's fair about that? Any less damning than CCMs info which was alleged to have been c/p from another public venue?
And Z, what evidence do you have to support the assumption that PV posted her stuff? Believe what makes you feel better, but I wouldn't buy that without concrete evidence. Watch your back and hopefully you've learned not to share any private or personal info with anyone here.
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And Z, what evidence do you have to support the assumption that PV posted her stuff? Believe what makes you feel better, but I wouldn't buy that without concrete evidence. Watch your back and hopefully you've learned not to share any private or personal info with anyone here.
Not much, Judge. Only one posting set off the air horns. Without giving too much away, there was something in a more recent attack on our daughter that only someone local could have known, which is why my girl is packin' pepper spray. As far as the rest? Trolls is trolls, they do their binnis for kicks, cash or LULZ. My family did the trial by fire thing - it sucked. They put up pictures of our daughter, her address and sick insults not out of malice toward her but to really get me, since I'm protective of her, especially post-program.
As I told Che Gookin recently, It's caustic and painful when it first happens but then your hide toughens. Trolls are part of the open forum experience. Still hate them, though.
Speaking of Che - where are you, homes? I announced our bid for the Presidency on Facebook. Our platform is the scaffold.
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Psy goes off half-cocked again. What a crock of shit lame excuse. If it's true.... Could we get a competent judge in here?
By all means. From this point on, i'm deferring all judgment on the subject to Ginger. Good luck getting the Supreme Fornits Court to hear your appeal.
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As I told Che Gookin recently, It's caustic and painful when it first happens but then your hide toughens. Trolls are part of the open forum experience. Still hate them, though.
Yeh, he prefers the hard truth and lesson that toughen the hide.
Sorry your family was attacked and your dd now must carry pepper spray with her. Living in fear doesn't toughen the hide, unfortunately.
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As I told Che Gookin recently, It's caustic and painful when it first happens but then your hide toughens. Trolls are part of the open forum experience. Still hate them, though.
Sorry your family was attacked and your dd now must carry pepper spray with her. Living in fear doesn't toughen the hide, unfortunately.
No, my step daughter and my wife suffer PTSD - My daughter has nightmares of being taken back to PV (Which seems to be a common nightmare amongst program survivors, regardless of age) and my wife becomes physically ill when there's too much discussion of PV. Still - that pepper spray has to give some security, and I'm sure she would have loved to have it at PV.
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HI. I'm the original "ASD," who said they'd give blood to this site, who Psy thought was imitating the "god" anon.
I haven't posted since the god poster set Psy straight about my identity. Thank you, god.:)Otherwise I'd have had to prove "who i am" which would defeat the point of posting anon.I post anonymously, but am not a troll. I stay anon to avoid what happened to ccm happening to me.
On that topic: Z.A. has lied all this time about there "never being a post." Psy has repeated this lie (mistakenly, I hope) at the expense of this site, up until now.
In the post that Z.A. deleted, and then denied existence of, all of CCMs info was up. I know that because I saw it. In the screensave someone put up he wrote "only the who and I saw it"...but, no...it was on this publicly viewable forum, after all.
In the same way he Z.A. lied about their "never being a post," he's lying about what he had in it. That's more than obvious, at this point.
It's retarded that this is being discussed, but it's even more retarded that a parent who abuses a survivor is moderator here.
No moderator- parent mod, no less, should sniff out a survivor's info, use it to threaten and humiliate them. How would you like knowing your personal, private details of your life were accessable here, because of a moderator, for no reason?
Make Act Da. in charge of that forum instead. People should be able to come here with an expectation of not being victimized by the people who run this site. It would make me less queasy about posting here, and sending people here, personally.
p.s. I just came out of surgery, so if I sound woozy...
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Post evidence I did what you say - you can't, you never even saw the post. Only the Who and I saw it, and look at the mess your troll pal cooked up with the shit he created.
Put up the link to the original post, with what I said.
I'm not "sad but trudy", but I have to respond to this part since it is me being accused of "making shit up". I saw the post before it was edited, and that's why I was able to use by browser history by clicking on the back button to find it again after it was edited. When you are browsing history using your back button, and then click on a quote button in the forum, it reloads a new reply page. If the quote has been edited since you first starting viewing, it will only show the newest version of the quote on your new reply page. My only option was to copy and paste the quote, and I decided to remove CCM's and her husband's name, city and state since I was posting as guest I knew I wasn't going to be able to edit it out later.
I wanted other survivors to know what type of tactic that was used by this moderator, which was blackmail, or "extortion" as Zen referred to it in that very post. (http://http://www.fornits.com/phpbb/viewtopic.php?f=22&t=25362&st=0&sk=t&sd=a&start=150#p309739) It goes to whether you can trust this forum or not. It looks bad when moderators use a survivor's personal information to win points in a flamewar with TheWho.
Zen brings up his daughter being outed. I am equally outraged about that, which was just as damaging and messed up as the first outing in that thread. To accuse survivors of it is wrong though, since we know who posted her picture. To accuse survivors of posting his address, is obviously off base, since only people that know his personal information could reveal it, which I doubt he was handing out to anonymous fornits posters such as myself or "sad but trudy".
I'm tired of this topic, but I will have no problem stating what I know to be true, and what I saw. I'm not just going to sit by and say nothing when people call CCM a liar based on lies. Survivors posting in the future will be suspect of whether it's in their interest to reveal personal information, or any information at all on this forum. But, whatever, I just wanted to address this portion that refers to my guest post as "moderate." Hopefully this helps clear some more shit up.
Thank you!!! EXACTLY!!
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I'm If I was your wife, I'd be like WTF is your obsession with this CCM girl??????
My wife is well aware of who you are - you insulted her, too. We share a mutual loathing for you.
Who the fuck are you really? Sorry, I can't help but be suspicious! I don't think someone whose step-daughter went through all this crap, as you say she did, would out someone like me.
Two months ago I spoke at the Georgetown Institute Systems of Care presentation to a group of mental health pros about the rampant abuse at Peninsula Village and the TTI in general. That included what you went through, CCM. What have you done?
I can't begin to describe how upsetting it is to witness the deluded, ugly vanity of a program parent belittling a program survivor for not equaling his program-fighting heroism
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And where is the harm? If the alleged post ever even existed, it is gone and only, apparently 3 people claim to have seen it. That's a hell of a lot better than what has happened to other survivors whose personal info remains posted by staff or trolls.
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The idea is: we don't want people who personally abuse survivors running this site! We don't know how ZA got her info, and we can't expect the truth out of him about that. And, babe, everyone has their info on the net, somewhere...Sure that your's is, too.
NO MOD OR ADMINISTRATOR has the right to link that name and the info you can get from it with a user name, for kicks, for a personal petty flame-war..it's NUTS!
The "harm" is the humiliation and fear generated by having your personal id sought, and found out by some moderator, which is then used to embarrass, threaten, control and dominate. The "harm" is in being afraid to post the most loosely identifying personal info. Would you like me finding out who you are? The harm is the invasion of privacy..I'm not sure why you think that's o.k.? End Rant.
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Who the fuck are you really? Sorry, I can't help but be suspicious! I don't think someone whose step-daughter went through all this crap, as you say she did, would out someone like me.
Two months ago I spoke at the Georgetown Institute Systems of Care presentation to a group of mental health pros about the rampant abuse at Peninsula Village and the TTI in general. That included what you went through, CCM. What have you done?
I can't begin to describe how upsetting it is to witness the deluded, ugly vanity of a program parent belittling a program survivor for not equaling his program-fighting heroism
Dude. She did ask "Who the fuck are you really? Sorry, I can't help but be suspicious!" and zen did say he talked to some group of shrinks about pv and programs and "That included what you went through, CCM.' If talkikng about ccm and other survivors to psychs about being abused is belittling I want to get belittled more. I never heard zend say anything about it before and it was like 2 mos. ago. Deosn't sound like he's honking his own horn. I would like to hear more about it though.
And this shit is getting to dumb. I thought the godguy who said zen left ccm's shit blank proved he was telling the truth about noty posting cc's information which means the people who said it was all up were lying assholes.
Zen did apologize to me. But, the problem is he never admitted to posting my full information. He was always defending himself saying he did post it. But, with a bunch of blanks.
In the post that Z.A. deleted, and then denied existence of, all of CCMs info was up. I know that because I saw it. I just came out of surgery, so if I sound woozy...
But that's precisely what the "god" guest said (who has PMed me and I actually know him/her quite well and trust him/her). He was "moderate". He said it was posted with a bunch of blanks.
But keep on fighting aobut it, my tv is broke. why is ccm saying zen didn't have a kid in a program? Dam, anyone calls her a liar or doubts her and she gets psycho. anyone who treats her bad is evil too:
So, who is Zen really? Some of you say he's a parent whose step-daughter was sent to one of these programs, and that he pulled her, and ever since has been speaking out against them? I don't know if that is true or not. I mean just because of how he has treated me]
Because zen doesnt like you you think he has to be a fake parent? you saw his kids picture and name all over the place. Still there too. And your having a shitfit about a post noone can find on the forum. zen's kid I feel sorry for and you were kind of a bitch to her ccm. She is a survivor and you didnt mind crapping on her. You jsut like to bitch for the drama ccm.
What is the right cliche? 'do unto others as you would want them to do unto you' or 'what you give is what you get'. CCm has done unto me and i don't call her a liar about being in a program. CCM has done shit onto a lot of survivors but has cattle when she gets done on.
Wow, that's a shocker coming home to all this! Once again, no sleep will be lost.
Fuck you all very much for your comments!
Sincerely,
CCM girl 1989
Thank you, CCM! I was debating whether or not to go for broke and do some prostitution while I still have the gear for it. I was worried what my friends and kids might think. But you've reminded me that it doesn't matter. I'll let ya know how it goes, k?
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You know it's so tempting Ginger to just get in the ring with you (to throw insults back and forth). But, I'm not going to. You are doing a good thing here with Fornits, and I appreciate it as well as the thousands that take the time to stop by. But, sometimes the things you say make no sense. Try to be a little more open minded, and don't try to push your views on everyone here. You're coming across as the big bad bully. Not everyone thinks like you do, and nor should they. You trying to control peoples minds by not letting them state their opinions without the wrath of Ginger makes you just as bad as "THEM". Which to me makes no sense since you despise all these people we discuss here on Fornits.
Is it possible you've turned into one of them, and don't even know it?
We hear way too much from you TSW, shhhhhhhhhh. BFD!?!!! You're such a shit starter.
Put a cork in it! Once again, you have no clue what you're talking about. Do, us all a favor......... and handcuff your hands behind your back if you can't control yourself. Please, pretty please! I'm begging you!!!!!!!!!!!
You're soooooooo whitty TSW, so quick, so cool, god you're a fucking idiot. No, really! You are pathetic. Get outta the house, get off the computer, go have some social interaction. Even a dogs hairy ass is better then nothing!?!! Huh? Remember one thing, and one thing only from tonights exchange. You're nothing, nada! N-A-D-A!!!!!
Why are you insulting gookie instead of talking about why you feel we should not say programs are bad, CCM?
Niles, I've given you plenty of attention before. I'm over you, moving on to bigger losers like TSW.
Niles, are you finally coming down my friend? Up all night doing drugs? You, and your speed freak buddies are not to be trusted. You've taken this site, and blown it into tiny little pieces. Nobody should even think about posting here from programs. No staff, no parents, nobody.
It's painfully obvious the only people who are wanted here are the cry babies, and the VICTIMS, go cry me a river! See how boring this all will get. Nothing to argue over when you are invading the system, and changing, deleting posts.
You fucked up my little bitch.
lols.. CCM girl is off her meds also.
Get a life fucker!
You were in one what?!!! Back off little girl? Hahaha I'm 33 years old. You're a real dumbass ya know, and as far as you being a parent? Big deal, there are 12 year olds out there having babies.
Niles, my darling little pumpkie.........YOU WERE NEVER IN A PROGRAM! You don't know shit about them. What part of that can you not get through that thick skull of yours?!! How can I make it any more clearer????
You were never there, you are not a parent of a child who went there. I am not sure how the hell you got involved in this whole thing, but you have no clue what you are talking about my friend!
Go join the KKK, or the Geek Squad? I don't care as long as you just take your anger somewhere else you little freak.
We all have had different experiences while in programs. I have every right to say how it went down in the places I attended. I do feel badly for some people who were sexually abused. But, I am just saying that nobody was ever raped at any of the places I attended.
Sounds like Rachael had some interesting experiences though?
A child (someone under the age of majority) cannot consent to a sexual experience, under the law.
You have no idea what happened to other people. I have 2 good friends who were raped by staff while there were 2 other staff and 5 other kids in the same house. Nobody knew anything. Including myself. I was there and I had no idea. However, after it was revealed and with the benefit of hindsight I found both of them to be completely credible and myself to have been completely clueless. As you are now.
You are one callous, cruel little bitch.
Oh really? What house, or what program were you in? Name it, and name the staff who did it. If, and when you do that, maybe I'll give you the time of day. Until then you are just another anon posting a bunch of crap.
Drama queen.
Anne,
I would agree with you that more then likely your story did bore me, and that's why I don't remember it. I didn't need you to repeat your story again, I just asked what your age was, that's all.
Niles, I just want you to know what a heartless jerk I think you are. I totally voted for us all to get together for a party on your stupid poll. I will only come though if we use you as a pinyata! I just want to take a bat, and swing at you my friend.
Zen,
I will be in your neck of the woods come Thursday! Should I come pay you a visit? You have to admit there are some of you who act totally nuts on here, and that's just stating the obvious. Sorry if you took it personally. When I come to visit you what should I look for on your forehead? What will Deb have you tattooed with?
CCM girl
Out of curiosity..... Are you a mormon??????
Not that it's any of your business, but no I am not! Hey, since you live in Boca, does that make you a jew?!! LOL!!!!!
Next time I am in Delray, I'll make sure and look you up. If Deborah has it her way you'll have JEW tattooed across your forehead in no time at all. But, how on earth will I set you apart from all the other jews out there?
Anyway, I personally could care less what religion anybody on this board, or on this earth here is. What matters most to me is what kind of person you are in your heart.
Unfortunately, a lot of you on here have proven to be total assholes who most of the time like to pretend you're smarter then everyone else.
Obviously you are not my son and quite obviously the rumor mongers that try to create a "so called life" here electronically had nothing more to say when the facts and the truth of the Dundee Ranch Fiasco didn’t quite turn out to be what they thought or believed. No one has posted here for months and of course no one has posted the fact that I, Narvin Lichfield was innocent and acquitted of any charges like I had been saying from the start...even though this was made publicly evident more than 4 months ago in the press this is the first posting of it to my knowledge and it is sad I had to be the one to do it. You would think the people here so ready to "bravely" slander others trying to look like the latest savior of the children would have the courage to admit when they have rushed to judgment and destroyed another’s persons name. Obviously no such honor among thieves exists for the persons who post here over the last 5 years in my opinion are just that “thieves” as defined by the bard they …steals trash; ’tis something, nothing. ‘Twas mine, ’tis his, and has been slave to thousands; But he that filches from me my good name Robs me of that which not enriches him And makes me poor indeed. Iago, Othello The Moore Of Venice, Act III Scene iii. ...it is my sincere hope that others do not treat you all with the same level of hypocrisy and poison I’ve experienced here at your hands and keyboards.. that you will never have this forced upon you over false allegations made by such needy people as Amberly Knight whose story changes every time it is told (just go check her testimony in the court documents in Colorado when she was advocating the virtues of the program against what she said in the Utah sue sheff case both were under oath) or by a now convicted pedophile in the form of Bruce Harris (Bruce was convicted of having sex with an under age boy for 3 years in central America) and as a result of a defunct pseudo-child caring organization like what we saw in Casa Alilanza that he was the director of that closed weeks after his arrest.. Karma has a way of coming around so be careful and try to treat the next guy with a little more kindness you might need it yourself some day.
Narvin,
I cannot speak for everyone here, but I for one did not set out to slander your name. I am guilty of watching the news, and reading articles on your school, and then discussing it openly. Your beef my friend, is with the media, and your former employees.
Nobody here knows you personally (I don't think??? If so then speak up). I think if you tried putting yourself in someone elses shoes besides your own, someone that did suffer abuse whether it be mentally, physically, or sexually from schools or placements similiar to yours then you could understand the anger and disgust pointed in your direction. You'd be able to empathize with them.
I'm not sure if posting this newspaper article will do much to change peoples opinion of you here on Fornits, or not? But, it's pretty much a guarantee that by saying what you said in your post, and the way you said it, people here are not going to like you even more.
I'm not even really sure why you decided to post? I am assuming that you did to basically rub everyones nose in the fact that you were found "Not Guilty". Not sure that was a good idea? Basically, in doing so you've disturbed the hive.
My advice, if you're truelly innocent........and your school, and staff are innocent........just let it go. The more you bring things up, the more you give people here something to talk about.
CCM girl 1989
Oh yeah Ganja, Psy is just so level headed. What a charming young man he is. So polite, so articulate! LOL. I just would of hated to see him without Prozac. He seems to be very angry even on meds?!! Maybe he needs to switch them? Sometimes they do need to do that because the effectivness wears off?!!
I just want to take this time to thank baby Jesus for providing Psy with Prozac. That's all, thank you again baby Jesus!!!!!
Dad Trying,
Get out while you can, LOL!!! Some of the posters here are able to give helpful advice, and that's great. But, some of them come on here to just argue till the cows come home. They love it!
Take a lot of what they have to say with a grain of salt. I try to not let them get under my skin. That's what they enjoy most. Sick, I know! But, hey that's just who they are! They can't help it, they still have a bunch of issues they have not dealt with.
Just feel sorry for them. I know I do.
The only one who is making sense is The Who. Period. End of story. Throw in the towel guys, you're losing.
I'll be starting a thread on Magnolia Criminal Center down in my own forum later. I've a few people who have expressed interest at taking a closer look at the place. Sad that an intelligent young man like Kevin could have tied his name and reputation to a place that is looking much like a standard industry duckfarm.
quack quack honk honk same old shit new face on it.
That's nice, who cares. :roll:
ccm, no one needs you dishing out suggestions of any type of your brand of abuse, OK? YOU AIN'T in a program now, as an upper level bitch, who gets to dispense abuse on anybody. And anyone can say what they wish, and no one has to "put a cork in it."
Nobody HAS to put a cork in it?!! I just wish YOU would because I NEVER was some "upper level bitch"!!!! I was just quoted today by a former staff member as a total hellion when asked about me LOL!!!! You have no clue of who I was or who I am today. Remember this.......I'll dish out whatever I want, whenever I want, and how I want. So, back off bitch.
You were in one what?!!! Back off little girl? Hahaha I'm 33 years old. You're a real dumbass ya know, and as far as you being a parent? Big deal, there are 12 year olds out there having babies.
In a behavior modification facility. 33? Well, I got at least 10 years on ya.
Yes, there are 12 year olds out there having babies. Your solution is to lock them up?
Dumbass. :roll:
Have your opinions I will have mine. So what if you're 10 years older then me? By calling me a little girl I only assumed someone such as yourself who has the brain the size of a pea thought CCM girl 1989 meant that was the year I was born! BTW, if your 12 and getting knocked up.........um maybe you need to use a condom. Not only will it prevent that, but it could prevent you contacting an STD or HIV for god sakes.
You're not going to change my mind. It's not my job to go out there and find good treatment facilities. They do exist. You are a complete moron if you don't think they do. What, you want me on my own dime, to go out there and start investigation and locating these places for parents? And of course not make any money doing it!!!!! This whole subject is turning into a joke.
Listen here, if anyone can prove to me that Jeff Berryman is no better then WWASPS........then I would love to hear it. Show me proof!
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Speaking of Che - where are you, homes? I announced our bid for the Presidency on Facebook. Our platform is the scaffold.
WHAT??? JUDGE ROY IS BACK????
NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO
I think I know someone who might actually have photos of that knob.
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Who the fuck are you really? Sorry, I can't help but be suspicious! I don't think someone whose step-daughter went through all this crap, as you say she did, would out someone like me.
Two months ago I spoke at the Georgetown Institute Systems of Care presentation to a group of mental health pros about the rampant abuse at Peninsula Village and the TTI in general. That included what you went through, CCM. What have you done?
I can't begin to describe how upsetting it is to witness the deluded, ugly vanity of a program parent belittling a program survivor for not equaling his program-fighting heroism
Dude. She did ask "Who the fuck are you really? Sorry, I can't help but be suspicious!" and zen did say he talked to some group of shrinks about pv and programs and "That included what you went through, CCM.' If talkikng about ccm and other survivors to psychs about being abused is belittling I want to get belittled more. I never heard zend say anything about it before and it was like 2 mos. ago. Deosn't sound like he's honking his own horn. I would like to hear more about it though.
And this shit is getting to dumb. I thought the godguy who said zen left ccm's shit blank proved he was telling the truth about noty posting cc's information which means the people who said it was all up were lying assholes.
Zen did apologize to me. But, the problem is he never admitted to posting my full information. He was always defending himself saying he did post it. But, with a bunch of blanks.
In the post that Z.A. deleted, and then denied existence of, all of CCMs info was up. I know that because I saw it. I just came out of surgery, so if I sound woozy...
But that's precisely what the "god" guest said (who has PMed me and I actually know him/her quite well and trust him/her). He was "moderate". He said it was posted with a bunch of blanks.
But keep on fighting aobut it, my tv is broke. why is ccm saying zen didn't have a kid in a program? Dam, anyone calls her a liar or doubts her and she gets psycho. anyone who treats her bad is evil too:
So, who is Zen really? Some of you say he's a parent whose step-daughter was sent to one of these programs, and that he pulled her, and ever since has been speaking out against them? I don't know if that is true or not. I mean just because of how he has treated me]
Because zen doesnt like you you think he has to be a fake parent? you saw his kids picture and name all over the place. Still there too. And your having a shitfit about a post noone can find on the forum. zen's kid I feel sorry for and you were kind of a bitch to her ccm. She is a survivor and you didnt mind crapping on her. You jsut like to bitch for the drama ccm.
What is the right cliche? 'do unto others as you would want them to do unto you' or 'what you give is what you get'. CCm has done unto me and i don't call her a liar about being in a program. CCM has done shit onto a lot of survivors but has cattle when she gets done on.
K. I'm not gonna take the time to respond really, but, lol, the imitation of me(if that's what you're doing) is pretty lame & I just registered & can let Psy know who I am.
But U should read what god posted more carefully cause god didn't post what you think he did...Praise God.
night
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Psy goes off half-cocked again. What a crock of shit lame excuse. If it's true.... Could we get a competent judge in here?
By all means. From this point on, i'm deferring all judgment on the subject to Ginger. Good luck getting the Supreme Fornits Court to hear your appeal.
Why not consider deferring everything to her, except the technical stuff you're supposed to handle? How many times do you have to fuck things up before she gags you?
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7 more times and after that it is the ball gag.
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No moderator- parent mod, no less, should sniff out a survivor's info, use it to threaten and humiliate them. How would you like knowing your personal, private details of your life were accessable here, because of a moderator, for no reason?
Make Act Da. in charge of that forum instead. People should be able to come here with an expectation of not being victimized by the people who run this site. It would make me less queasy about posting here, and sending people here, personally.
Where the hell have you been? Survivors are outted by staff and others all the time, and it's left up under the banner of Free Speech. Why should CCM get preferential treatment? Not even sure she meets the definition of "survivor" bein's she enjoyed her institutionalization and attacks other survivors. Give too many details about yourself and staff could out you too.
Are you wanting to post in the PV forum? If not, what are you worried about? It's impossible to find an anon's personal info on other venues. Sure you're not using this as revenge for something else you're pissed at ZA about?
As for being able to "come here with an expectation of not being victimized by the people who run this site".... well, there is no guarentee there. Just depends on who you cross. Guess you could say it's human nature. Doesn't matter how long you've been here or how well respected you become, everyone is subject to being victimized.
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I can't begin to describe how upsetting it is to witness the deluded, ugly vanity of a program parent belittling a program survivor for not equaling his program-fighting heroism
Just curious, does she refer to herself as a "survivor"? If so I musta missed it.
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No moderator- parent mod, no less, should sniff out a survivor's info, use it to threaten and humiliate them. How would you like knowing your personal, private details of your life were accessable here, because of a moderator, for no reason?
Make Act Da. in charge of that forum instead. People should be able to come here with an expectation of not being victimized by the people who run this site. It would make me less queasy about posting here, and sending people here, personally.
Where the hell have you been? Survivors are outted by staff and others all the time, and it's left up under the banner of Free Speech. Why should CCM get preferential treatment? Not even sure she meets the definition of "survivor" bein's she enjoyed her institutionalization and attacks other survivors. Give too many details about yourself and staff could out you too.
Are you wanting to post in the PV forum? If not, what are you worried about? It's impossible to find an anon's personal info on other venues. Sure you're not using this as revenge for something else you're pissed at ZA about?
As for being able to "come here with an expectation of not being victimized by the people who run this site".... well, there is no guarentee there. Just depends on who you cross. Guess you could say it's human nature. Doesn't matter how long you've been here or how well respected you become, everyone is subject to being victimized.
She's not getting "preferential" treatment...not at all: people like you say she "deserved" what she got, she gets called liar and attention whore for complaining about what was done to her, her info would still be up if ZA hadn't removed it, her photos were up and her and her husband's looks were mocked more nastily and over longer a time period than anyone's..It doesn't really matter.
The point is no one who does that to a survivor (and, no, she doesn't "like" her institutionalization) should be running this site--a site FOR SURVIVORS.
know what I mean? No administrator has ever used their powers to do that to someone before this.
This site has always been completely dedicated to free speech, to the point it works against the site.
Yes, she's a survivor.
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Yet no administrator would have to use their 'powers' to find her information. A quick sweep of the other forums at the time would have given most people all the juicy details they wanted and taking it a step further with a google search and you could have her whole life at your fingertips.
I knew her name and saw her picture a long time before it ever got posted. It really wasn't that hard to find. If I recall I stumbled over her profile on the antiwwasp site one day while getting ready to troll it during the big Judge Roy Bean scream session and took note of it. Her picture is still posted on Cafety.org if I'm not mistaken, I could be wrong though.
Fact is you are right that no administrator should ever use their powers to out ANYONE on this forum, but in this case no administrator did. Zen wasn't or isn't an Administrator and even as a moderator he wouldn't have access anything useful.
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Well, it looks as if this convoluted commotion and drama may finally be coming to an end!
Could the brouhaha really be over?
Is it possible??
Can this insanity be put to rest at last???
It's almost impossible to believe...
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She's not getting "preferential" treatment...not at all: people like you say she "deserved" what she got, she gets called liar and attention whore for complaining about what was done to her, her info would still be up if ZA hadn't removed it, her photos were up and her and her husband's looks were mocked more nastily and over longer a time period than anyone's..It doesn't really matter.
I said nothing remotely close to "she deserved it".
Dear god, what was done to her? How long was the alleged post up? How many people saw it? Has she gotten any death threats like some survivors have? Calls in the middle of the night? Calls to employers? Who's shit is down and who's shit remains posted???? I'd say that's preferential.
The point is no one who does that to a survivor (and, no, she doesn't "like" her institutionalization) should be running this site--a site FOR SURVIVORS.
You don't get around Fornits much do you? This may come as a real shock, but Fornits isn't a "SURVIVOR" site. Many consider it to be, but it isn't and never was intended to be according to the owner and her admin. You will not be protected from evil staff or trolls. You want safety? Create your own website or forum.
know what I mean? No administrator has ever used their powers to do that to someone before this. This site has always been completely dedicated to free speech, to the point it works against the site. Yes, she's a survivor.
Even if the alleged post existed, ZAs moderator status would not have yielded that kind of information. This is a free-for-all. Anyone can go gather up information posted around cyberspace and copy it here. Again, happens all the time. CCMs was removed, if it ever existed. And that's a damn sight better than what others have experienced. She should consider herself lucky.
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Why dey be aucshunin' off dis nigga's account likes he fo sale on de slave block? :D An why CCM and dis 'asd' bitch squawkin about CCM's info bein put down when ccm da one who put ha' info on de net in de fust place? Dis shit's fukkin CRAZY.
Y'all niggaz kin kiss mah black ass! :moon: 8)
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She's not getting "preferential" treatment...not at all: people like you say she "deserved" what she got, she gets called liar and attention whore for complaining about what was done to her, her info would still be up if ZA hadn't removed it, her photos were up and her and her husband's looks were mocked more nastily and over longer a time period than anyone's..It doesn't really matter.
I said nothing remotely close to "she deserved it".
Dear god, what was done to her? How long was the alleged post up? How many people saw it? Has she gotten any death threats like some survivors have? Calls in the middle of the night? Calls to employers? Who's shit is down and who's shit remains posted???? I'd say that's preferential.
The point is no one who does that to a survivor (and, no, she doesn't "like" her institutionalization) should be running this site--a site FOR SURVIVORS.
You don't get around Fornits much do you? This may come as a real shock, but Fornits isn't a "SURVIVOR" site. Many consider it to be, but it isn't and never was intended to be according to the owner and her admin. You will not be protected from evil staff or trolls. You want safety? Create your own website or forum.
know what I mean? No administrator has ever used their powers to do that to someone before this. This site has always been completely dedicated to free speech, to the point it works against the site. Yes, she's a survivor.
Even if the alleged post existed, ZAs moderator status would not have yielded that kind of information. This is a free-for-all. Anyone can go gather up information posted around cyberspace and copy it here. Again, happens all the time. CCMs was removed, if it ever existed. And that's a damn sight better than what others have experienced. She should consider herself lucky.
i can't believe this shit is still going on and the babyish/foul behavior it encourages in people who don't care she was mistreated by a mod.
Again, the alleged post existed, though ZA has been lying about that, all this time. Remember his cries that the post had been proved a "fraud by pys"
He's just as believable on how he got that info. ip's can indicate a lot of personal info...And, if he got into her PMs, with someone assisting him...
I don't think you’re seeing things logically if you think a person who comes to a survivor site to deal with their pain from institutionalized torment is then targeted by a person who runs that site for further torment is “preferential.”
Basically, the idea is that any user can publish anything they want, but the people who run this site? Publishing info just to be able to humiliate, threaten a survivor they like fucking with? Um..NO
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i can't believe this shit is still going on and the babyish/foul behavior it encourages in people who don't care she was mistreated by a mod.
"Mistreated"? Anyone have a rubber room for this nutcase? ^
Again, the alleged post existed, though ZA has been lying about that, all this time. Remember his cries that the post had been proved a "fraud by pys"
No one cares about this except you, douche nozzle.
He's just as believable on how he got that info. ip's can indicate a lot of personal info...And, if he got into her PMs, with someone assisting him...
The info came from her myspace page.
I don't think you’re seeing things logically if you think a person who comes to a survivor site to deal with their pain from institutionalized torment is then targeted by a person who runs that site for further torment is “preferential.”
Get out the violins. What a whack job!!
Basically, the idea is that any user can publish anything they want, but the people who run this site? Publishing info just to be able to humiliate, threaten a survivor they like fucking with? Um..NO
If they're stupid enough to put their info out there, then they deserve what they get!!
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Oh noes. Each time I visit thefornits farm this shit’s still gettin shoveled.
Sorry about all this. If Zen had just been honest in the very beginning.......!
I WAS honest.
Read above, CCM - your Jesus friend admitted I used blanks for your info.
To God loves us all - you did admit I used blanks to disguise this woman's identity, and I get the feeling that still upset you. I appreciate your honesty in setting the record straight about CCM's info not being posted in full, as she and Who claimed..
I’ve gotta say: as I saw you out CCM, ZA, I’m offended to see you call her, a survivor, a liar.
You did post CCM & husband’s full name & address: U were squabbling w/who about something. Later, u edited out part of her info, the edit is what “God is all” quoted.
“God is all” does NOT verify that when he quoted you, you “used blanks to hide her identity.” He did NOT verify you just posted her first name, state, and “blanks,” which is what you’ve claimed. (Sometimes claimed, anyway) He verifies that in your post you effectively outed her, and that your quote that you've claimed is doctored, is factual.
“God” verifies this—
Yes, the post did include a few X's that blocked out some letters in her, her husband's full name, city and state. But it was easy enough to fill in the blanks, the effect was the same. To call leaving a few letters out of her information "respectful to CCM" is absurd.
I’m not sure why you chime in with accounts of what you did. Your accounts have been shown fraudulent to the point they are meaningless: You said “god is all’s” quote of you extorting CCM, was a “fiction” and it couldn’t be found because it “never existed.”
Maybe you're confused by the one Psy identified as another troll's fake, but that's the one CCM, Who and a bunch of people with no names kept posting as the ultimate "proof". After Psy showed it was a fiction, the witch hunt shifted to a search for some "other" phantom post. If "so many" claim to have seen this post, why ask me to find it? CCM and others swore up and down that they saw full info, [r]until Psy showed it had never existed - the post they cited as a "censored" one was a fraud.[/r]
So there was no "deleted" post, and the post that keeps coming up has been investigated by Psy and identified as the fiction of some anonymous troll.
The “witch hunt” for the “phantom post” was the search for your post that “god” quoted—which you deleted, & claimed never existed and was a fraud.
Alternatively, you claimed to have put non-privacy disturbing info up about CCM, Not true, disproved by "god," and not what u r claiming to have posted now.
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The only correct first name used was CCM's - I made one up for her husband, and her address is unknown to me.
Or, this
Okay, first I'd like to apologize to CCM - I didn't use anything more than your first name and home state, (you used to sign your posts with your first name). I did add your husband's first name, too.
I wish you'd cut de crap. And if I see you or an admin saying a survivor “lied” about any experience, which I can personally corroborate, I’ll post a corrective.Sorry. It’s funny. You can believe a survivor over a program parent about anything
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More wackjob obsessive stirring the pot.
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i can't believe this shit is still going on and the babyish/foul behavior it encourages in people who don't care she was mistreated by a mod.
It's not that people don't care. It's that we don't agree on what happened. You think she was targeted and outted. Most of us don't. It's really that simple.
Again, the alleged post existed, though ZA has been lying about that, all this time. Remember his cries that the post had been proved a "fraud by pys"
He's just as believable on how he got that info. ip's can indicate a lot of personal info...And, if he got into her PMs, with someone assisting him...
How do you not understand that SHE put her information out there?
I don't think you’re seeing things logically if you think a person who comes to a survivor site to deal with their pain from institutionalized torment is then targeted by a person who runs that site for further torment is “preferential.”
Just as I don't think YOU are seeing things logically if you think CCM was abused here.
Basically, the idea is that any user can publish anything they want, but the people who run this site? Publishing info just to be able to humiliate, threaten a survivor they like fucking with? Um..NO
That's not what happened.
Jesus FUCKING H Christ!!!!!! Move the fuck on!! Get over it. Quit beating a dead horse. Get a life. Take your meds. Whatever works, but please. For the love of FSM..........STOP THE INSANITY!!!!!
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Fuck me...
But since when has Fornits been a survivor site? I thought it was a gay porn forum. Honestly.. The great gay porn is the only reason I've stuck around this long.
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More wackjob obsessive stirring the pot.
:D :bs: :D
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'The Meaning of Life' on Fornits:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j1kftCx5-tA (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j1kftCx5-tA)
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More wackjob obsessive stirring the pot.
i can't believe this shit is still going on and the babyish/foul behavior it encourages in people who don't care she was mistreated by a mod.
It's not that people don't care. It's that we don't agree on what happened. You think she was targeted and outted. Most of us don't. It's really that simple.
Again, the alleged post existed, though ZA has been lying about that, all this time. Remember his cries that the post had been proved a "fraud by pys"
He's just as believable on how he got that info. ip's can indicate a lot of personal info...And, if he got into her PMs, with someone assisting him...
How do you not understand that SHE put her information out there?
I don't think you’re seeing things logically if you think a person who comes to a survivor site to deal with their pain from institutionalized torment is then targeted by a person who runs that site for further torment is “preferential.”
Just as I don't think YOU are seeing things logically if you think CCM was abused here.
Basically, the idea is that any user can publish anything they want, but the people who run this site? Publishing info just to be able to humiliate, threaten a survivor they like fucking with? Um..NO
That's not what happened.
Jesus FUCKING H Christ!!!!!! Move the fuck on!! Get over it. Quit beating a dead horse. Get a life. Take your meds. Whatever works, but please. For the love of FSM..........STOP THE INSANITY!!!!!
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Ha. I gotsta say, it’s pertty funny seeing 20 pages of someone yelling, ”stop posting about this!” followed by their dissertation on the subject.
Whenever I visit this fourna, I’ll be sure to say what I want, and am happy to support my fellow survivor. :)
I hope the Powers-That-Be recognize this survivor has been telling the truth about what was posted about her, being that the moderator who posted it has been shown to be lying about this issue, and do the right thing.
Oh noes. Each time I visit thefornits farm this shit’s still gettin shoveled.
Sorry about all this. If Zen had just been honest in the very beginning.......!
I WAS honest.
Read above, CCM - your Jesus friend admitted I used blanks for your info.
To God loves us all - you did admit I used blanks to disguise this woman's identity, and I get the feeling that still upset you. I appreciate your honesty in setting the record straight about CCM's info not being posted in full, as she and Who claimed..
I’ve gotta say: as I saw you out CCM, ZA, I’m offended to see you call her, a survivor, a liar.
You did post CCM & husband’s full name & address: U were squabbling w/who about something. Later, u edited out part of her info, the edit is what “God is all” quoted.
“God is all” does NOT verify that when he quoted you, you “used blanks to hide her identity.”
“God” verifies this—
Yes, the post did include a few X's that blocked out some letters in her, her husband's full name, city and state. But it was easy enough to fill in the blanks, the effect was the same. To call leaving a few letters out of her information "respectful to CCM" is absurd.
I’m not sure why you chime in with accounts of what you did. Your accounts have been shown fraudulent to the point they are meaningless: You said “god is all’s” quote of you extorting CCM, was a “fiction” and it couldn’t be found because it “never existed.”
Maybe you're confused by the one Psy identified as another troll's fake, but that's the one CCM, Who and a bunch of people with no names kept posting as the ultimate "proof". After Psy showed it was a fiction, the witch hunt shifted to a search for some "other" phantom post. If "so many" claim to have seen this post, why ask me to find it? CCM and others swore up and down that they saw full info, [r]until Psy showed it had never existed - the post they cited as a "censored" one was a fraud.[/r]
So there was no "deleted" post, and the post that keeps coming up has been investigated by Psy and identified as the fiction of some anonymous troll.
The “witch hunt” for the “phantom post” was the search for your post that “god” quoted—which you deleted, & claimed never existed and was a fraud.
Alternatively, you claimed to have put non-privacy disturbing info up about CCM, Not true.
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The only correct first name used was CCM's - I made one up for her husband, and her address is unknown to me.
I wish you'd cut de crap. And if I see you or an admin saying a survivor “lied” about any experience, which I can personally corroborate, I’ll post a corrective.Sorry. It’s funny. You can believe a survivor over a program parent about anything
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More wackjob obsessive stirring the pot.
You said it... >yawn<
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I just want to say thank you to those people that have acknowledged that I am not the lying! I felt like I was back in my programs when staff was telling me "your parents will never believe you since you have a long history of lying, and manipulating!" I mean it's not as bad since this board doesn't have a huge impact on my life, or anything.
Were people really calling peoples homes in the middle of the night, and calling people's places of employment?!! Good god! That's just plain wrong. I think we'd maybe expect the enemy to get on here to out guests, or try to mess with them. But, not people who are survivors, or parents of survivors to mess with one another like that. It seems like Zen thinks I had something to do with the whole thing concerning Zen's daughter. Like him doing what he did, because I did, makes it right? Funny thing is I didn't. But, the fact he justifies his actions with that, is weak. What a freak! As far as Zen's wife really not liking me very much? That's weird. Maybe she's jealous of all the attention, and energy her husband puts towards me? Or how I get him really angry?!!! Who knows, who the fuck cares!!!!!!!
Have a great weekend!
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Were people really calling peoples homes in the middle of the night, and calling people's places of employment?!!
I don't believe so, no.
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WHINE. WHINE. BITCH.
Let it go freak. You tortured survivors far worse. I read your quotes that were posted. There are even more than were posted from your old stuff. You even claim you don't believe some survivors stories. And you are a liar. Maybe its time for part 2 of your bitch quotes. Plus your name is in the early ones.
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WHINE. WHINE. BITCH.
Let it go freak. You tortured survivors far worse. I read your quotes that were posted. There are even more than were posted from your old stuff. You even claim you don't believe some survivors stories. And you are a liar. Maybe its time for part 2 of your bitch quotes. Plus your name is in the early ones.
If this is true, one has to wonder who was the anon who kept raising such a stink about CCM girl being "abused" and why were they so persistent? It is hard to believe that it was just some survivor concerned about the safety of posting here and all of that bullshit if they were paying attention at all over the past year or so.. What's going on?? Any thoughts?
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WHINE. WHINE. BITCH.
Let it go freak. You tortured survivors far worse. I read your quotes that were posted. There are even more than were posted from your old stuff. You even claim you don't believe some survivors stories. And you are a liar. Maybe its time for part 2 of your bitch quotes. Plus your name is in the early ones.
If this is true, one has to wonder who was the anon who kept raising such a stink about CCM girl being "abused" and why were they so persistent? It is hard to believe that it was just some survivor concerned about the safety of posting here and all of that bullshit if they were paying attention at all over the past year or so.. What's going on?? Any thoughts?
Here are my thoughts:
I am one of the guests dismayed personnel here abused and outed a survivor because of their moronic drama with a troll.
I think it’s funny you say ccm “tortures” survivors, but say “abuse” is an inappropriate word for endlessly, needlessly insulting her, sexually humiliating her (& her family), posting her and her husbands’ names and addresses, embarrassing her with info. derived by accessing her arrest record, and threatening to post it, and send the police after her.
I think it’s funny I’ve read your million posts about how her info was never up, which have segued seamlessly into your endless posts about how posting her info was good.
I think it’s funny you are verbally violent towards CCM or anyone voicing dislike of her abuse by this site to try to influence their behavior or accomplish anything besides coming across like psychotic scum-muffins.
Well, not “funny". More like "pathetic", and "gross".
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I am one of the guests dismayed personnel here abused and outed a survivor because of their moronic drama with a troll.
I think it’s funny you say ccm “tortures” survivors, but say “abuse” is an inappropriate word for endlessly, needlessly insulting her, sexually humiliating her (& her family), posting her and her husbands’ names and addresses, embarrassing her with info. derived by accessing her arrest record, and threatening to post it, and send the police after her.
I think it’s funny I’ve read your million posts about how her info was never up, which have segued seamlessly into your endless posts about how posting her info was good.
I think it’s funny you are verbally violent towards CCM or anyone voicing dislike of her abuse by this site to try to influence their behavior or accomplish anything besides coming across like psychotic scum-muffins.
Well, not “funny". More like "pathetic", and "gross".
It would be all of those things if any of this were true. ^^ Don't feed the trolls. ^^
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Heh.. I'm not sure what is the bigger insult. Someone painting CCM as a bitch and a whore or someone painting CCM as a helpless victim. Personally, I'd rather be known as a bitch and a whore before being known as some pathetic pity case.
None the less, do carry on as it appears to give your otherwise empty life some sort of meaning.
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Personally, I'd rather be known as a bitch and a whore before being known as some pathetic pity case.
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You're known as all 3! :) :)
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I just want to say thank you to those people that have acknowledged that I am not the lying! I felt like I was back in my programs when staff was telling me "your parents will never believe you since you have a long history of lying, and manipulating!" I mean it's not as bad since this board doesn't have a huge impact on my life, or anything.
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Nope, not lying. Just visited a site frequented by the evil and psycho!
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I just want to say thank you to those people that have acknowledged that I am not the lying! I felt like I was back in my programs when staff was telling me "your parents will never believe you since you have a long history of lying, and manipulating!" I mean it's not as bad since this board doesn't have a huge impact on my life, or anything.
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Nope, not lying. Just visited a site frequented by the evil and psycho!
How obvious can you get? Peninsula didn't waste any time going after the protesters today. So this is a Peninsula asshole who's been doing this? OMG. How weak.
"its ok to abuse survivors when they're whores, haven't you heard?"
Your mother opines.
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I just want to say thank you to those people that have acknowledged that I am not the lying! I felt like I was back in my programs when staff was telling me "your parents will never believe you since you have a long history of lying, and manipulating!" I mean it's not as bad since this board doesn't have a huge impact on my life, or anything.
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Nope, not lying. Just visited a site frequented by the evil and psycho!
How obvious can you get? Peninsula didn't waste any time going after the protesters today. So this is a Peninsula asshole who's been doing this? OMG. How weak.
"its ok to abuse survivors when they're whores, haven't you heard?"
Your mother opines.
No, YOU opine. You and ZA say CCM's a whore and that makes it OK to out her. Remember?
There are, like, a dozen "assholes" who've been "doing this" (objecting to a fornits manager outing a survivor). If you choose to believe they’re one person, or all from P.V. that's O.K. But it’s not true.
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I just want to say thank you to those people that have acknowledged that I am not the lying! I felt like I was back in my programs when staff was telling me "your parents will never believe you since you have a long history of lying, and manipulating!" I mean it's not as bad since this board doesn't have a huge impact on my life, or anything.
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Nope, not lying. Just visited a site frequented by the evil and psycho!
How obvious can you get? Peninsula didn't waste any time going after the protesters today. So this is a Peninsula asshole who's been doing this? OMG. How weak.
"its ok to abuse survivors when they're whores, haven't you heard?"
Your mother opines.
No, YOU opine. You and ZA say CCM's a whore and that makes it OK to out her. Remember?
There are, like, a dozen "assholes" who've been "doing this" (objecting to a fornits manager outing a survivor). If you choose to believe they’re one person, or all from P.V. that's O.K. But it’s not true.
A dozen assholes? A dozen assholes who need to get lives. You are playing the who's "we" bullshit. You are only one. Ignore Zen if you hate him and shut your cake hole. That's why it only rears up when Peninsula is pissed or you crawl out of your parents basement. Go out and do something positive instead of spending hours on a forum you hate.
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A dozen assholes doing this? Is it ANTIWWASP?
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I count about a dozen assholes in this thread, if that helps.