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Treatment Abuse, Behavior Modification, Thought Reform => Straight, Inc. and Derivatives => Topic started by: Anonymous on August 20, 2008, 02:40:13 PM
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YEs, my comments yesterday were harsh and quite frankly I don't like speaking to anyone like that. So, it really harms me and that is my problem.
That being said - WHAT REALLY sickens me are parents who are obviously a harm to their children and the more this woman writes in the more you see that her pet peave with AARC is the commitment required to support your kid and family.
The first thing I ever saw written by her was her long bitch about AARC and all the things the parents have to do. Then she proceeded to attack a graduate that seemed to quietly write in to say AARC changed his life for the better.
Also, by pure concidence( which I am sure none of you AARC/Vause-non-worshippers would believe) someone I know quite well was in AARC when Tami made her grand appearance and it was clear that she wanted to blame everything on her life on everyone else, thought she knew better than everyone around although she was created the most unsuccessful family envirnment.
Anne Bonney says I sicken her because I attack someone that hasn't expereinced the "gift of awareness" - when her 'unawareness' harms people to the extent is does -YA I get real pissed. I happen to invest a lot of time helping kids from disadvantaged backgrounds and it is hard not to become jaded when you witness situations where some people clearly should never have had kids. They are the vulnerable ones and pay for it for a long time if not their whole life sometimes.
T. Brown has made sure that her son is fucked and will continue to be until he can get away from her influence. She is one sick and twisted person that dares to say that everyone else is brainwashed because they happen to do the right thing for their kids, which she clearly was not willing to do. ANd SO fucking what if these same people develop strong bonds with people they go through treatment with PLUS how couldn't they. they have a tough year accepting truths about themselves that they weren't aware of, putting in considerable time effort while they struggle to rebuild family bonds that were destroyed during one or two kid's addiction. And yes, they ALL have bills to pay and a disruption in their living arrangements BUT Tami juse made her disapproavle of AARC all about how they would NOT do what she wanted because she was the smartest of all involved. Funny how her level of thinking works so well for her that she comes begging to get into AARC. Why didn't she take her kid somewhere else?? There are FAR too many kids and families from AARC that are still and are not still associated with AARC who still donate and support it just by telling others how the place saved their kid's life and their family.
So, yes T. Brown you are one sick B with an ITCH because OF THE WAY you think and it sickens me that you were not neutered young. BTW, in the early to mid 20th century people deemed mentally handicapped were sterilized in Alberta. But I guess Mommy Dearest's level of commmunity involvement doesn't even include reading newspapers! ! !
And yes, i do not know where you work or play but I bet your sense of entertainment and community is sitting in a bar trying to snag a drunk to come home and be a role model for your kids. Please prove different for your kids' sake.
yeeuck, gotta go have a shower
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This moron is obviously Josh Penner. He is borderline retarded, and is likely trying to get hired back by AARC so he can intimidate children and try to impress their parents by his great "program"
Fortunately Josh speaks loudly for the kind of place AARC is, and I bet they cringe when they read his posts. Any parent would read his posts and think whether or not their child should be exposed to this kind of "recovery" . Nice job!
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This moron is obviously Josh Penner. He is borderline retarded, and is likely trying to get hired back by AARC so he can intimidate children and try to impress their parents by his great "program"
Fortunately Josh speaks loudly for the kind of place AARC is, and I bet they cringe when they read his posts. Any parent would read his posts and think whether or not their child should be exposed to this kind of "recovery" . Nice job!
POOOORRR guess, einstein. do't have a clue who you are speaking of, don't work at AARC and would not want to cuz I am very gainfully self-employed.
Tami's healthy kid thinks we come to fish for information, interesting how they think there is anything needed from them. people in their addiction are VERY predictable. Can't wait to see how Tami and offspring reappear to blame the crap that will blow up in their lives on AARC. they are united right now (accusing AARC of BS) . . . but truth wills out in the end . . . :rasta:
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Better hope Vause doesn;'t see that you used a weed-smokin' rasta man in your post. You might get set back on a refresher. Or..............Egaaads..........started over!
Run!!
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Better hope Vause doesn;'t see that you used a weed-smokin' rasta man in your post. You might get set back on a refresher. Or..............Egaaads..........started over!
Run!!
Gotta love the assumptions, ALWAYS from the AARC bashers - that people sticking up for Vause/AARC have been through AARC and/or are a druggie. That is the capacity of untreatable walking disasters who are just a drain on other good hearted people. :wall:
uhm Vause can't send me back to any starting lineOr..............Egaaads..........started over!
is that like, "egaads" batman or someone still in highschool contributing here!
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Kids don't deserve no goddamn rights, on account 'a' they ain't no better than a bunch of fuckin' NIGGERS! If mine ever try to "assert their rights" I'm gonna drag 'em out to the woodshed and tear up their uppity little asses!!!
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Fortunately Josh speaks loudly for the kind of place AARC is, and I bet they cringe when they read his posts. Any parent would read his posts and think whether or not their child should be exposed to this kind of "recovery" . Nice job![/b]
Abso-fucking-lutely!!!
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Boy, you ain't kidding. Every time I read the crap these people spew out it confirms my suspicions about them being no different than what I experienced so many years ago. This is EXACTLY how Straight dealt with anyone questioning them too. It's amazing how nothing has changed after all these years. And very sad.
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Yeah. They send a pretty clear message: if you complain about us, we'll out you online, post confidential information, defame your charachter, and generally try to do whatever we can to shut you up. What they don't seem to realize is that their behavior, from a reasonable person's standpoint, is absolutely disgusting.
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Yeah. They send a pretty clear message: if you complain about us, we'll out you online, post confidential information, defame your charachter, and generally try to do whatever we can to shut you up. What they don't seem to realize is that their behavior, from a reasonable person's standpoint, is absolutely disgusting.
Wow! Thats pretty well sums up what happened to me here on fornits.
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Yeah. They send a pretty clear message: if you complain about us, we'll out you online, post confidential information, defame your charachter, and generally try to do whatever we can to shut you up. What they don't seem to realize is that their behavior, from a reasonable person's standpoint, is absolutely disgusting.
Wow! Thats pretty well sums up what happened to me here on fornits.
Well, then it's a good thing you have a choice as to whether or not you want to participate in this. The kids at AARC arent' that lucky.
Big difference.
Very big.
HUGE!!
Douche nozzle.
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Yeah. They send a pretty clear message: if you complain about us, we'll out you online, post confidential information, defame your charachter, and generally try to do whatever we can to shut you up. What they don't seem to realize is that their behavior, from a reasonable person's standpoint, is absolutely disgusting.
Wow! Thats pretty well sums up what happened to me here on fornits.
Well, then it's a good thing you have a choice as to whether or not you want to participate in this. The kids at AARC arent' that lucky.
Big difference.
No difference at all, we all have a choice, no one is forced to post here if they dont want to.
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Perfect example of how you twist everything and why no one respects a thing you say. You know exactly what is meant in that post but you reply with such obvious attempts at distraction.
No one is forced to be here and read/listen to anyone. The kids in AARC have no such rights.
Stop being such an asshole. Better yet, go back to Aspen.
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Yeah. They send a pretty clear message: if you complain about us, we'll out you online, post confidential information, defame your charachter, and generally try to do whatever we can to shut you up. What they don't seem to realize is that their behavior, from a reasonable person's standpoint, is absolutely disgusting.
Here read the above post again. It refers to people after leaving AARC who complain here on-line. I am saying I received the same treatment here on fornits. None of us are forced to be here or forced to complain... you are the one that doesnt understand that. Nothing is being twisted.
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Say whatever you want. You know damn well what was meant by that post and you chose to be an asshole about it. Like I said...this is exactly why no one respects a thing you say. Thanks for making it so blatantly obvious to even the newest of readers. Seriously. That was such a dickhead move that you've made it completely apparent that you're not here to do anything but stir the pot and attempt to steer derail the thread.
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Say whatever you want. You know damn well what was meant by that post and you chose to be an asshole about it. Like I said...this is exactly why no one respects a thing you say. Thanks for making it so blatantly obvious to even the newest of readers. Seriously. That was such a dickhead move that you've made it completely apparent that you're not here to do anything but stir the pot and attempt to steer derail the thread.
I think what is clear is that you are narrow minded and all you can see is one side of any issue. You live by a double standard. It is okay to out someone or try to force them to leave whose views are not totally anti program. But it is a whole different story when it happens to a person with an anti-program point of view.
We both know this is what you are saying, but it is too hard for you to swallow that you would have to admit to the double standard. We both know I am not the one being an asshole. I didn’t “out” anyone or try to force them to leave…. I was on the receiving end if you remember.
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Whooter. Information revealed by patients at aarc is supposedly protected by patient confidentiality (in the states, a program violating this would be subject to serious penalties). While any information available to admins, such as Ip addresses here, is also confidential, that does not prevent anybody, including admins, from using other, non-confidential or publicly available information to guess at your identity, or even attempt to out you.
In this case, it is clear that there are people using AARC insider (privileged) information to threaten, intimidate, and out people. Big difference. No privileged/confidential information was ever used to guess at your identity (it was actually your own words... who you claimed to be).
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Say whatever you want. You know damn well what was meant by that post and you chose to be an asshole about it. Like I said...this is exactly why no one respects a thing you say. Thanks for making it so blatantly obvious to even the newest of readers. Seriously. That was such a dickhead move that you've made it completely apparent that you're not here to do anything but stir the pot and attempt to steer derail the thread.
I think what is clear is that you are narrow minded and all you can see is one side of any issue. You live by a double standard. It is okay to out someone or try to force them to leave whose views are not totally anti program. But it is a whole different story when it happens to a person with an anti-program point of view.
We both know this is what you are saying, but it is too hard for you to swallow that you would have to admit to the double standard. We both know I am not the one being an asshole. I didn’t “out” anyone or try to force them to leave…. I was on the receiving end if you remember.
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I have no doubt that's how you need to see it in order to justify these atrocities. Really, I understand. The guilt over your daughter must be overwhelming at times.
Sidestep it all you want. I know what you're referring to and it doesn't even compare. Either way the mudslinging goes......THE KIDS IN AARC CAN'T ESCAPE IT. We all can. Here. As adults. With free will and thought. Adults with the right to due process before we're incarcerated on the word of scared parents and questionable diagnosis from people with questionable credentials trying to claim unbelievable "success" rates, using confrontational methods directly derived from an known abusive cult, using the exact same principles and practices from said predecessor which have proven to be not only un-successful, but downright dangerous. Yes. We, here, have those rights. Kids in AARC do not.
Thank you again. Honestly. The more you write, the more you reveal the shill that you are.
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Yeah. They send a pretty clear message: if you complain about us, we'll out you online, post confidential information, defame your charachter, and generally try to do whatever we can to shut you up. What they don't seem to realize is that their behavior, from a reasonable person's standpoint, is absolutely disgusting.
HOW MANY TIMES DO I AND OTHERS HAVE TO TELL YOU SICK FUCKS THAT WE ARE NOT FROM AARC AND NEVER WENT THROUGH THERE BUT HAVE MET LOTS WHO HAVE AND WHO ARE ETERNALLY GRATEFUL TO AN EXCEPTIONALLY RUN CENTRE AND AN EXCEPTIONALLY GOOD MAN - DEAN VAUSE.
SO MOFOs, QUIT LOOKING TO BLAME ARRC PEOPLE FOR EVERYTHING THAT IRRITATES YOU IN YOUR SNIVELLING, PATHETIC LITTLE LIVES.
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I have no doubt that's how you need to see it in order to justify these atrocities. Really, I understand. The guilt over your daughter must be overwhelming at times.
Sidestep it all you want. I know what you're referring to and it doesn't even compare. Either way the mudslinging goes......THE KIDS IN AARC CAN'T ESCAPE IT. We all can. Here. As adults. With free will and thought. Adults with the right to due process before we're incarcerated on the word of scared parents and questionable diagnosis from people with questionable credentials trying to claim unbelievable "success" rates, using confrontational methods directly derived from an known abusive cult, using the exact same principles and practices from said predecessor which have proven to be not only un-successful, but downright dangerous. Yes. We, here, have those rights. Kids in AARC do not.
Thank you again. Honestly. The more you write, the more you reveal the shill that you are.
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You keep missing it.... The ones that you claim are being attacked and outed are not in AARC!! They are free to come and go and post just like you and I. No difference at all.
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Whooter. Information revealed by patients at aarc is supposedly protected by patient confidentiality (in the states, a program violating this would be subject to serious penalties). While any information available to admins, such as Ip addresses here, is also confidential, that does not prevent anybody, including admins, from using other, non-confidential or publicly available information to guess at your identity, or even attempt to out you.
In this case, it is clear that there are people using AARC insider (privileged) information to threaten, intimidate, and out people. Big difference. No privileged/confidential information was ever used to guess at your identity (it was actually your own words... who you claimed to be).
It is clear to you because that is the way you choose to see it. I haven’t seen any evidence of violations of the HIPAA laws or privacy being broken by AARC. We don’t know if privileged info was used. The same way we don’t know if the admins used my IP when trying to out me.
You are taking experiences from other programs and other people and assuming that AARC incorporates/embraces these same practices. We just don’t know that. Most of the time people leave businesses to create models that are different than the one they left. They want to make it better and more successful, use newer ideas and learn from past mistakes and known dead ends. I would be more cautious if Vause “did not” have a background from Straight because he may be doomed to learn the same mistakes Newton made and follow some of the same dead ends.
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You keep missing it.... The ones that you claim are being attacked and outed are not in AARC!! They are free to come and go and post just like you and I. No difference at all.
Nice try, but no dice.
Thanks for playing though!
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You keep missing it.... The ones that you claim are being attacked and outed are not in AARC!! They are free to come and go and post just like you and I. No difference at all.
Nice try, but no dice.
Thanks for playing though!
You are welcome! Glade you understand. I think we were getting a little off topic.
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Yeah. They send a pretty clear message: if you complain about us, we'll out you online, post confidential information, defame your charachter, and generally try to do whatever we can to shut you up. What they don't seem to realize is that their behavior, from a reasonable person's standpoint, is absolutely disgusting.
So psy, what is the confidential information - their names? LOL
they signed the McGill Daily pages and Elliot has penned other bits of BS and penned his name on NON-confidential rants to people.
Mommie Dearest can't shutup about details of her and her kid's lives, here and elsewhere. so where is confidentiality being broken. PLEASE do tell.
roflmao
Elliot left because someone posted his name, which they got from the McGill Daily site where he had puked up the same stuff he had been writing here!!! Then T. Brown comes in to fill his place reiteratiing stuff from late 90s that elliot and sick wife have obviously passed on to her PLUS all her whining about responsiblity of AARC parents while in treatment, which she found too time consuming for her bar schedule.
It is ok for those people to make slanderous statements about Vause and AARC but not ok for other peole to slam them back on their shite!!!! double standard
Let's see if Psy will provide us with some confidentiality breaks . . . . . don't bet on it.
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Thank god for your ego. You just can't help yourself. You really should stop now. You're just making an ass out of yourself.
:jerry: ;D ;D
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Thank god for your ego. You just can't help yourself. You really should stop now. You're just making an ass out of yourself.
Nothing like throwing in an arbitrary statement that means absolutely nothing !!
so, would you like to expand on it or just let it stand as is - completely irrelevant and another attempt to defer any answers to a legitimate question.
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Nothing like throwing in an arbitrary statement that means absolutely nothing !!
Only to the slow and dimwitted. Congratulations again!
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so, would you like to expand on it or just let it stand as is - completely irrelevant and another attempt to defer any answers to a legitimate question.
So, you haven't even bothered to read the thread, then. Huh?
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Perfect example of how you twist everything and why no one respects a thing you say.
might want to speak for yourself, lol
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Perfect example of how you twist everything and why no one respects a thing you say.
might want to speak for yourself, lol
Snappy comeback!! I guess you told me!
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Moron.
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So, you haven't even bothered to read the thread, then. Huh?
uhm, no i would suggest you did roflmao ::deadhorse::
and ooo,ouch that 'slow and dim-witted' statement was soooo hurtful :cry:
catch ya later, einstein
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Moron.
oooh, ouch, not again . . . roflmao
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Really? That's the best you can do?
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Really? That's the best you can do?
yep, that is what happens when you are arguing with an idiot - they take you down to their level and beat you with experience ;)
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Really? That's the best you can do?
yep, that is what happens when you are arguing with an idiot - they take you down to their level and beat you with experience ;)
"Who" logic . . .
At least "we" can all agree that you're an idiot!
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You guys do more for "our side" than you'll ever be able to comprehend.
:D :D :D :D :D :D :D
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At least "we" can all agree that you're an idiot!
duh . . . I think the point was that other person was the idiot . . and well, we can definitely consider you to be one, too! LOL :wall:
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At least "we" can all agree that you're an idiot!
duh . . . I think the point was that other person was the idiot . . and well, we can definitely consider you to be one, too! LOL :wall
You guys do more for "our side" than you'll ever be able to comprehend.
There "our side" goes again . . . whistling in the dark . . .. . . . :-*
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Yeah. They send a pretty clear message: if you complain about us, we'll out you online, post confidential information, defame your charachter, and generally try to do whatever we can to shut you up. What they don't seem to realize is that their behavior, from a reasonable person's standpoint, is absolutely disgusting.
So psy, what is the confidential information - their names? LOL
they signed the McGill Daily pages and Elliot has penned other bits of BS and penned his name on NON-confidential rants to people.
Mommie Dearest can't shutup about details of her and her kid's lives, here and elsewhere. so where is confidentiality being broken. PLEASE do tell.
Glad you asked...
Her name is the breach. You connected her story here with what you believe to be her full name (you also did the same with Ajax)... Not to mention making allegations based on their supposed experiences with AARC only an AARC insider would know. That's the breach. It's like this. If I go to a shrink, have a bad experience, tell my story and complain about it, the shrink comes out and says "that person is X..." that is a breach of confidentiality for the purpose of intimidating a person into silence.
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Statement from adolescents who are former clients/siblings of AARC:
I've been out of AARC for over 3 years I don't even know my mom anymore, she just hangs around her AARC friends doing all their AARC activities
I was beaten in every one of my host homes
My mom was told she had to kick me out, we have no relationship anymore, I've seen my brother about 3 times in the last 3 years
Parents doing what needs to be done to support their children.
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That's the breach. It's like this. If I go to a shrink, have a bad experience, tell my story and complain about it, the shrink comes out and says "that person is X..." that is a breach of confidentiality for the purpose of intimidating a person into silence.
Actually, it's like this. some one goes to the shrink and thinks they were abused so they go to a public forum, identify the 'psychiatist' and produce a long list of grievances as well as insert some slander based on heresay and then sign their name. Somebody else who has nothing to do with the psychiatrist's business reads those statement in two separate public forums and it doesn't take a mental midget to connect the dots. Anything that the said whiner says outsie of the psychiatrist's office to people unrelated to that experience are also fair game. No breach, no foul, psy.
But you'll twist it again. ::)
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Statement from adolescents who are former clients/siblings of AARC:
I've been out of AARC for over 3 years I don't even know my mom anymore, she just hangs around her AARC friends doing all their AARC activities
I was beaten in every one of my host homes
My mom was told she had to kick me out, we have no relationship anymore, I've seen my brother about 3 times in the last 3 years
Parents doing what needs to be done to support their children.
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Dear Mommy Brown:
you sure exert a lot of energy moaning and whining and trying to convince people of abuse and mistreatment, etc. I guess it is beneficial for your kid that you are obsessed with AARC and focusing on that rather than on the actual wellbeing of your kids. If you were truly concerned for your kids and not so self-serving you wouldn't be here whislting in the dark . . what did Shakespeare say "The [mommy] Doth Protest too Much" trying to take care of your big mouth and the fallout- i.e people questioning YOUR character, not Vause's or the exceptional job AARC does.
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Dear Anon-Guest,
You sure spend a lot of energy moaning and whining about my moaning and whining, while completely avoiding my point that these kids were physically abused at AARC and their parents chose their relationship with AARC over their relationship with their own children.
And don't worry about my kids getting attention, there's lots of me to go around! But thanks for your concern, it means a lot.
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Dear Anon-Guest,
You sure spend a lot of energy moaning and whining about my moaning and whining, while completely avoiding my point that these kids were physically abused at AARC and their parents chose their relationship with AARC over their relationship with their own children.
And don't worry about my kids getting attention, there's lots of me to go around! But thanks for your concern, it means a lot.
Hey Mommie Dearest:
What is the tune you whistle in the dark? LOL
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Please tell us all about that physical abuse - did they receive 'beatings daily' ? black eyes, bruises kids limping around frightened and dodging everyone around them for fear of someone smacking them in the head or something . . roflmao
What I have met in Calgary and Vancouver are parents and kids who are astounded how close they were able to become as a result of AARC after the years they were dealing with addictions in their home. You just can't make up your sick mind - TOO MUCH time has to be invested by parents to support and help kids when they bring them to AARC vs not enough time working on recovery along with rest of family /hence close relationship with AARC and kids! You cetrtainly lack any capacity to see what needs to be done while other parents acknowledge it wasn't easy but certainly what they all needed. Bottomline TB, self-examination and recovery is not what you are willing to do, while other adults have the capacity and do it for their kids and family. You thinki I believe you that tthose parents do it and also allow their kid to be phsyically abused. Don't lie and say they never reach a level in AARC where they spend enough time around their kid without counsellors and other clients and where the kid could certainly divulge abuse freely??? WAY too many happy grateful people have gone through there.
And sure - I have no problem writing in to keep saying the stuff I am about AARC just to counter your sick BS!!
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I've been out of AARC for over 3 years I don't even know my mom anymore, she just hangs around her AARC friends doing all their AARC activities
Sounds like a REAL close family to me!
There does come a point in treatment when the kids COULD tell their parents about abuse, but by that time they're convinced that everything and anything that happens to them is for their own good. Progams make sure sure no contact occurs until that time. Not only that, but the parents are convinced that anything the kid tells you that may be the SLIGHTEST bit opposed to treatment is a lie and just our "little con-artists" trying to manipulate us. Parents are actually TOLD to ignore cries or screams coming from the host home bedrooms. Geez, no red flags there hey!
Just to be perfectly clear, I don't have a problem with anyone spending any amount of time on anything they find worthwhile. My point is the fact that the programs LIE about this, and so much more at the onset aka DECEPTIVE MARKETING PRACTICES!
But please go on ... just try to stay on track and address the issues.
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Also, where are you finding all these "happy grateful" people who have gone through AARC?
Because, whenever I find people who even know of AARC, it's always something bad. And that's aside from AJAX, his SLF and others here on fornits.
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Yeah. They send a pretty clear message: if you complain about us, we'll out you online, post confidential information, defame your charachter, and generally try to do whatever we can to shut you up. What they don't seem to realize is that their behavior, from a reasonable person's standpoint, is absolutely disgusting.
HOW MANY TIMES DO I AND OTHERS HAVE TO TELL YOU SICK FUCKS THAT WE ARE NOT FROM AARC AND NEVER WENT THROUGH THERE BUT HAVE MET LOTS WHO HAVE AND WHO ARE ETERNALLY GRATEFUL TO AN EXCEPTIONALLY RUN CENTRE AND AN EXCEPTIONALLY GOOD MAN - DEAN VAUSE.
SO MOFOs, QUIT LOOKING TO BLAME ARRC PEOPLE FOR EVERYTHING THAT IRRITATES YOU IN YOUR SNIVELLING, PATHETIC LITTLE LIVES.
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wow. you sound very sane and not at all mentally impaired. you sir are a beacon for us all.
come off it. and there's no need to shout. this whole forum is about people being able to express themselves and engage in discussions, debates, fights whatever. if there are people who were truly helped by AARC then so be it. if they're allowed to express that then i don't see why opposing views and experiences should upset you this much. why don't YOU simmer down a little bit and allow people to have their own opinions without deciding that their lives are sniveling, little, and/or pathetic. or is that just you projecting? hmmmmm. that would be a shocker.
sick fucks? perhaps, but you're the one reacting like a psycho jackass. and this whole fucking thread pisses me off. i'm friends with tami, we've talked for months and she's a good person. i will not go into details because she has a right to her privacy (although the asshole who started this thread obviously didn't think so) but she had every reason to be worried sick, resentful and full of fear. so back the fuck off that woman. she's a good mother and a good friend. people who don't know what they're talking about should just shut their fucking mouths.
ps...try spell check sometime. comes in handy.
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Statement from adolescents who are former clients/siblings of AARC:
I've been out of AARC for over 3 years I don't even know my mom anymore, she just hangs around her AARC friends doing all their AARC activities
I was beaten in every one of my host homes
My mom was told she had to kick me out, we have no relationship anymore, I've seen my brother about 3 times in the last 3 years
Parents doing what needs to be done to support their children.
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Dear Mommy Brown:
you sure exert a lot of energy moaning and whining and trying to convince people of abuse and mistreatment, etc. I guess it is beneficial for your kid that you are obsessed with AARC and focusing on that rather than on the actual wellbeing of your kids. If you were truly concerned for your kids and not so self-serving you wouldn't be here whislting in the dark . . what did Shakespeare say "The [mommy] Doth Protest too Much" trying to take care of your big mouth and the fallout- i.e people questioning YOUR character, not Vause's or the exceptional job AARC does.
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why don't you sign in and identify yourself you fucking pussy? right now i'm questioning YOUR character. so easy to be an ass when signed on as a guest. and i'll say again...you have no idea what you're talking about. keep on digging.
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Heh, I love this. Typical lame assed program intimidation. Now is the time to talk more, talk louder, and refuse to back down.
I think perhaps I'll purchase the URL for AARC as well and donate it to a few willing AARC freedom fighters like this Tami lady to expose the sick inner truth of AARC to a wider audience.
Keep at it ass clowns. You dumbshits will run out of people to out on forums before I run out of money to spend on URLS to make blogs about your lame assed facility.
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Keep at it ass clowns. You dumbshits will run out of people to out on forums before I run out of money to spend on URLS to make blogs about your lame assed facility.
roflmao . . . . no problemo! you are but a wee drip in the ocean of people who know what a fantastic facility AARC is . . . . . . . .. yes, keep doing what you need to do to feel . . . .so powerful
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why don't you sign in and identify yourself you fucking pussy? right now i'm questioning YOUR character. so easy to be an ass when signed on as a guest. and i'll say again...you have no idea what you're talking about. keep on digging.
::poke:: roflmao - uhm.. uh hmmm - when you create a forum of cowards who hide within the internet to launch unbased attacks on others . . uhm . . . you kinda create your world . . . welcome to it . . I am just participating following your lead . . . my identity would be in the open if you people were out in the open guided by truth rather than your sick BS roflmao :jerry:
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My given birth name IS seamus so yer point is? .......... ;D
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why don't you sign in and identify yourself you fucking pussy? right now i'm questioning YOUR character. so easy to be an ass when signed on as a guest. and i'll say again...you have no idea what you're talking about. keep on digging.
::poke:: roflmao - uhm.. uh hmmm - when you create a forum of cowards who hide within the internet to launch unbased attacks on others . . uhm . . . you kinda create your world . . . welcome to it . . I am just participating following your lead . . . my identity would be in the open if you people were out in the open guided by truth rather than your sick BS roflmao :jerry:
and exactly who are you to decide what is an unbased attack? i haven't seen any proof of any unbased attacks, just fools running their mouths. i am out in the open, i have no problem saying who i am, what program i went to, when i graduated...hide within the internet? give me a break. sounds exactly like what you're doing.
who exactly is "you people"? and if you don't like our "sick BS" then bail. go away. turn the fucking channel. tell your bosses you quit.
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and exactly who are you to decide what is an unbased attack? i haven't seen any proof of any unbased attacks, just fools running their mouths. i am out in the open, i have no problem saying who i am, what program i went to, when i graduated...hide within the internet? give me a break. sounds exactly like what you're doing.
who exactly is "you people"? and if you don't like our "sick BS" then bail. go away. turn the fucking channel. tell your bosses you quit.
::OMG:: roflmao . .... you sure are an angry little einstein, aren't ya
first of all - i don't think you have showed up at AARC's door to voice your 'concerns' / 'complaints' have ya? Nope you launch your lies and BS here like a coward , exactly like TB and GE.
You are so out in the open - and who are you????????????????????????????????
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My given birth name IS seamus so yer point is? .......... ;D
I am happy for you . . uh seamus what a delightful 'birth name' ???
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::OMG:: roflmao . .... you sure are an angry little einstein, aren't ya
first of all - i don't think you have showed up at AARC's door to voice your 'concerns' / 'complaints' have ya? Nope you launch your lies and BS here like a coward , exactly like TB and GE.
You are so out in the open - and who are you????????????????????????????????
i haven't lied about anything you silly little troll. you're so ridiculous. if you had an ounce of sense you'd know how stupid that notion is. of a survivor (and yes that's what we are) going back to the program that fucked them up in the first place (mentally and/or physically), knocking on their door and saying "ya, see, i have these concerns and issues with the way you went about 'educating' me, and the whole brainwashing and behavioral modification thing...well i just don't feel right about that...and you know, the 'tough love' group therapy 3 times a week, not to mention all the workshops, well all the yelling had me in a place of total and complete fear during my entire stay. so whatcha say we sit down and have some tea and really talk about all my concerns."
you're on crack if you think that would ever happen. the only beef i have with AARC is that a friend of mine had a kid in there and because she didn't want her other kid involved was shunned and cut off from contact with her son. plus it's straight all over again, simply in another country. and the only reason i'm on this thread in the first place is because someone (possibly you?) named it after my friend and started berating and accusing her of all sorts of shit...abusing her verbally. first of all, HUGE breach in confidentially, and second, what kind of monster comes on here and starts attacking a parent like that. and all in the name of damage control/marketing. you must have no soul whatsoever.
i am angry, but just not for the reasons that you think. seems you're unable to see beyond your little mission here. AND if you're here simply as a "supporter" of ALL the wonderful things AARC has done, why don't you 1. go compile a verifiable list of people who've got anything good to say, & 2. let dean vause fight his own damn battles.
thanks for comparing me to einstein, nice little compliment thrown in with the rest of the garbage you spewed. i'm not quite as smart as him but my iq is close to genius level. so thanks for noticing!
as for who i am, the people on this board who need to know, know, and the friends i have on this board know. as far as what i'll tell you...i'm 33, graduated from rma in 1993, have never tried to mislead anyone, and i've never signed on as guest. im not giving you my full name cause next thing i know there'll be a thread with my name on it and then i'd really have to hunt you down.
cheers!
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My given birth name IS seamus so yer point is? .......... ;D
I am happy for you . . uh seamus what a delightful 'birth name' ???
seamus is a fabulous name, i like it ... what's your middle name?
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Seamus makes me think of the song by Pink Floyd:
I was in the kitchen,
Seamus, that's the dog, was outside.
Well, I was in the kitchen,
Seamus, my old hound, was outside.
Well, the sun sinks slowly
But my old hound just sat right down and cried.
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first of all - i don't think you have showed up at AARC's door to voice your 'concerns' / 'complaints' have ya?
And what does a person get when they do voice concerns/complaints? Are you trying to say they are ever willing to co-operate in anything that is outside their own "rules"? To work with people's unique situations and come to an agreement that is workable for everyone involved? There is no room for negotiation or compromise! Give me a break!
Their "truth" is the absolute truth. It is sacred - beyond
questioning. There is a reverence demanded for the leadership. They
have ALL the answers. Only to them is given the revelation of "truth".
The ultimate moral vision becomes the ultimate science and the
person who dares to criticise it, or even think criticism, is immoral,
irreverent and "unscientific".
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you are but a wee drip in the ocean of people who know what a fantastic facility AARC is
What are we going for here? World domination?
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When it comes to oceans of people, It's safe to say there are MORE people in the world (even our part of the world) who are NOT affiliated.
I do understand your need to keep up the belief though, and your concept of superiority. You wouldn't want to end up an immoral sinner like the rest of us Non-Believers.
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you must have no soul whatsoever
"Program" will do that to people. Not their fault really. Sad tho.
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Just a reminder, "A Mom": You're not answerable to this trolling shitbird. Please don't give it any more respect than it deserves (none).
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Just a reminder, "A Mom": You're not answerable to this trolling shitbird. Please don't give it any more respect than it deserves (none).
Thank you, I know I'm not answerable, but I feel sorry for people who are so blinded they are incapable of having any empathy whatsoever for people who have been hurt by AARC and programs like AARC.
IMO - It seriously isn't their fault that they feel the way they feel and believe what they believe. Only time away from the influence amongst the rest of society will help.
I just wish they had the capacity to understand someone else's point of view, but I realize why that's not possible.
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Goodness... this thread is absolutely appalling!
I'm curious to know WHY a person's full name is even allowed to stand without being deleted? This woman had her child in AARC, he was a juvenile, and as such, should be protected, listing his mothers full name is completely out of line, and IMO, violates the privacy of this family.
You people should be absolutely ASHAMED of yourselves. ::puke::
For what it's worth, I know Tami, and I've had the pleasure of meeting her sons. Both kids are good kids, happy, well adjusted and Tami is a wonderful mom to those boys.
Why don't some of you fuckwads try getting your kids taken away from you, then have 'the powers that be' alienate you from your child, tell your child all kinds of bullshit stories as to why his mother is not allowed to see him, fill his head with all kinds of crap and then tell me how YOU would feel?
I have not gone thru it myself, thank god, but I tell you, if I did, I'd do exactly the same thing Tami did, and then some. If a child needs help, then great, help him, but don't resort to bullshit brainwashing tactics so you can pump out another 'success story' to hang on your wall of fame. :wall: :wall: :wall:
This kind of public attack on a person is completely uncalled for, especially when full names are being mentioned and all kinds of bullshit lies are being spread about a woman who simply wanted her son back.
Guess what folks.... she GOT her son back and thankfully, he's slowly getting back to the kid she knew before he got sent to that hell hole. All parents who had kids in this farce of a program should be as lucky as this family.
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seems you're unable to see beyond your little mission here. AND if you're here simply as a "supporter" of ALL the wonderful things AARC has done, why don't you 1. go compile a verifiable list of people who've got anything good to say,
Never going to happen.
But if it did, it would be interesting to know how many of these people are parents now committed to the program whose kids were never truly helped, or whose kids went on to be drug abusers, worse drug abusers, addicts, or in jail, or deceased. Or those who are now divorced and/or separated from previously close members of their family.
It would be interesting to know the numbers of kids who simply continue to play the game because their parents are such firm believers that they will have no family and no where to go if they don't. Also interesting to know the number of kids who have been disowned by their parents for "relapsing" or otherwise failing to become part of "program" society.
I'm aware of all of these happening to people, but it would be interesting to know the true numbers.
So many graduate parents when asked how their kids were doing shook their heads sadly and said, "They're not doing well, But I'M ok and that's what matters" Pffft. Their graduated kid is in jail, or no longer talking to them, or otherwise not what one would consider a huge "rehab" success story, but I guess as long as the PARENT is ok, that's what matters?
I've never seen anything that comes close to the proposed 85% success rate. Unless you count staff, maybe 85% of them are successful.
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Why don't some of you fuckwads try getting your kids taken away from you, then have 'the powers that be' alienate you from your child, tell your child all kinds of bullshit stories as to why his mother is not allowed to see him, fill his head with all kinds of crap and then tell me how YOU would feel?
I have not gone thru it myself, thank god, but I tell you, if I did, I'd do exactly the same thing Tami did, and then some. If a child needs help, then great, help him, but don't resort to bullshit brainwashing tactics so you can pump out another 'success story' to hang on your wall of fame. :wall: :wall: :wall:
This kind of public attack on a person is completely uncalled for, especially when full names are being mentioned and all kinds of bullshit lies are being spread about a woman who simply wanted her son back.
Guess what folks.... she GOT her son back and thankfully, he's slowly getting back to the kid she knew before he got sent to that hell hole.
^^^ Things they DON'T tell you when inquiring about the program.
All parents who had kids in this farce of a program should be as lucky as this family.
So true, and thank you.
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Goodness... this thread is absolutely appalling!
I'm curious to know WHY a person's full name is even allowed to stand without being deleted? This woman had her child in AARC, he was a juvenile, and as such, should be protected, listing his mothers full name is completely out of line, and IMO, violates the privacy of this family.
You people should be absolutely ASHAMED of yourselves. ::puke::
For what it's worth, I know Tami, and I've had the pleasure of meeting her sons. Both kids are good kids, happy, well adjusted and Tami is a wonderful mom to those boys.
Why don't some of you fuckwads try getting your kids taken away from you, then have 'the powers that be' alienate you from your child, tell your child all kinds of bullshit stories as to why his mother is not allowed to see him, fill his head with all kinds of crap and then tell me how YOU would feel?
I have not gone thru it myself, thank god, but I tell you, if I did, I'd do exactly the same thing Tami did, and then some. If a child needs help, then great, help him, but don't resort to bullshit brainwashing tactics so you can pump out another 'success story' to hang on your wall of fame. :wall: :wall: :wall:
This kind of public attack on a person is completely uncalled for, especially when full names are being mentioned and all kinds of bullshit lies are being spread about a woman who simply wanted her son back.
Guess what folks.... she GOT her son back and thankfully, he's slowly getting back to the kid she knew before he got sent to that hell hole. All parents who had kids in this farce of a program should be as lucky as this family.
thank you for supporting her, this whole thread is, as you said, absolutely appalling...and prolly partly an attempt to get back at her and her son because once he "graduated" he wanted nothing more to do with the program. the assholes posting on this thread, and the one who started it have no verifiable documented ANYTHING backing up their claim that there's a huge lovefest surrounding AARC. they're just trying to do damage control, but definitely crossed the line when they named names, especially when signing on as a guest. disgusting. i hope any parent looking for help for their kid sees this thread and realizes the kinds of people they'd potentially be dealing with. and maybe that's why the post is still up...so that people know what kind of vultures these people are. they're digging their own grave with their posts, but ya, calling her out was completely fucking wrong.
love and support for you and your boys tami.
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and prolly partly an attempt to get back at her and her son because once he "graduated" he wanted nothing more to do with the program.
That speaks for itself though no??? One of their 'own' turned his back completely on the program once he got out. If the program was all that, then one would think that people who got out would use the 'tools' they learned in AARC and be staunch supporters. :ftard:
Guess they didn't do quite enough brainwashing. :wall:
they're just trying to do damage control, but definitely crossed the line when they named names, especially when signing on as a guest. disgusting.
Exactly. Damage control, that's all this is, it's a shame though that they have to resort to name calling and slander to make their point (if they HAVE a point??)
I still think this thread needs to be deleted or at the very least, take out personal info. To name someone while hiding behind an anonymous name is nothing but sheer cowardice. If you're going to confront someone and use their full name, then by god, have the balls to post your own fucking name. Can't have any respect for someone who wants to point fingers while hiding behind anonymity. :moon:
I've never personally dealt with AARC, but I've heard stories, both from people who have had personal dealings with them, AND from when I worked for Child Welfare, and NONE of those stories are good.... N.O.N.E.
It's nothing more then a cash cow cult IMO, that is out destroying kids and families. Thankfully this family managed to get out and are able to rebuild, which would not be possible without the love and support of Tami and those that care for her and the boys.
Other families are obviously not so lucky. :'(
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i hope any parent looking for help for their kid sees this thread and realizes the kinds of people they'd potentially be dealing with
I don't really blame the people ... I blame the system. Informed consent goes a LONG way!
The kids sure in the hell don't have a choice when they're ambushed.
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I've never personally dealt with AARC, but I've heard stories, both from people who have had personal dealings with them, AND from when I worked for Child Welfare, and NONE of those stories are good.... N.O.N.E.
Wow! I guess I'm not the only one who keeps hearing less than rave reviews!!!
Where are those "oceans" of success stories you speak of?
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I guess it all depends on what one considers "a success" though hey?
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love and support for you and your boys tami.
Thank you :hug:
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HOW MANY TIMES DO I AND OTHERS HAVE TO TELL YOU SICK FUCKS THAT WE ARE NOT FROM AARC AND NEVER WENT THROUGH THERE BUT HAVE MET LOTS WHO HAVE AND WHO ARE ETERNALLY GRATEFUL TO AN EXCEPTIONALLY RUN CENTRE AND AN EXCEPTIONALLY GOOD MAN - DEAN VAUSE.
SO MOFOs, QUIT LOOKING TO BLAME ARRC PEOPLE FOR EVERYTHING THAT IRRITATES YOU IN YOUR SNIVELLING, PATHETIC LITTLE LIVES.
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I think what scares me about this is that you actually believe people who have been brainwashed, over the thousands of people who have been abused by Vause and the programs that he was involved in. Its been proven *in court* that these people are abusive, yet you think that a a few families who are still involved in the cult (that has been listed in the FBI's cult watch list, are Synanon derivatives, specifically STRAIGHT and KIDS, and we all know AARC, while in Canada is just KIDS in Canada). If it was Scientologists or Moonies, you would probably be like "yeah right", but because its a so-called "drug rehab" that supposedly "saved lives", you're willing to listen.
I don;t get involved in these conversations much, but I think having not been involved directly in these programs, you're way out of line in even pointing fingers, or invalidating the experience of so many people. One of the reasons most of us suppose that people coming here defending the Semblers, Newtons, and Vauses of the world are from those programs is because only people brainwashed could defend those actions in any way, shape, or form.
Now I know you probably mean well in defending these people, but it makes you look as bad as the people involved. Before you start defending, I would ask them if you can watch group for a day (I bet they say no), and go and stay with some kids at a host home (guaranteed they say no). If they don't say no, and they actually allow you to do it, even if they order them to not physically abuse the kids, the evidence is incontrovertible - see if any of the kids actually talk directly to each other without asking thier "oldcomer" for permission, see if they are allowed to read things, look out windows, don't look totally exhausted because of the way things are run.... see if they're allowed to go to the bathroom without some type of supervision.
Now things may not be run at Vause's facility the way they were run at KIDS, but I doubt it - and look and listen with your own ears. If they don't allow you in - maybe they're hiding something?
I'm just asking you to understand that a lot of us on these boards are angery at what was done to us. Its hard to let go of that anger. I hope that a rational voice on our side of the fence will convince you that you *might* be on the wrong side, but I sincerely doubt it. It sounds like you made up your mind to listen to the Semblers, Vauses, and Newtons say about us - that we're druggie, bahaviour problem, sexually addicted scum, and lie and cheat and steal, and are manipulative.
I'll tell you - I am an Emmy winning technical person, who has won custody of my child (in a very conservative area), I've been written up in magazines for my contributions to the computing world, I am active in several community organizations, and well respected where I live, and the profession I work in. I am the farthest thing from a manipulative druggie - believe me when I say I was abused in every manner I could possible dream of, including sexual assault in KIDS. - and I *do* get angry when someone like you, that has no clue about what I have gone through invalidates my experiences and the experiences of people like me - but I believe that an intelligent discourse is needed instead of calling names.
Are you ready to have an intelligent discourse? or do you want to continue defending people who are clearly abusers and thieves of lives.
-SPL
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::OMG:: roflmao . .... you sure are an angry little einstein, aren't ya
first of all - i don't think you have showed up at AARC's door to voice your 'concerns' / 'complaints' have ya? Nope you launch your lies and BS here like a coward , exactly like TB and GE.
You are so out in the open - and who are you????????????????????????????????
AARC would have people arrested, is my guess, before they were allowed to actually sit down with them and voice their opinions.
Second is that its very similar to a POW going back to the camp where they were held and saying "Jolly Good, I think we should have a discussion about how you all treated me when I was in your prisoner camp" - its not good for the POW, and it probably wouldn;t do much good.
After years of AARC and its predeccessors being shut down in various places, is a discourse really needed between us and them on their methods? Would it change anything?
Now if AARC allowed some sort of oversight committee, that might be different, but I doubt that will EVER happen. People like Sembler, the Newtons, and Vause like playing God, thats why they're in the business they're in - A Cult.
And I'm sure the Cult rakes in the dough.
When in doubt, follow the money.
-SPL
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having not been involved directly in these programs, you're way out of line in even pointing fingers, or invalidating the experience of so many people
Kinda makes me think they ARE directly involved in the program.
Someone who isn't would read the testimony of all those people damaged by programs with some degree of concern for the survivors.
AARC would have people arrested
True, I received a "trespass notice" when I went to AARC.
Now, did I "abandon my kid" or was I "terminated"? So confusing... I guess it depends on who you talk to and what day it is...
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No response?
Was everyone stuck at the Tues night meeting?
Oh right, you're not in aARC
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Goodness... this thread is absolutely appalling!
I'm curious to know WHY a person's full name is even allowed to stand without being deleted? This woman had her child in AARC, he was a juvenile, and as such, should be protected, listing his mothers full name is completely out of line, and IMO, violates the privacy of this family.
You people should be absolutely ASHAMED of yourselves. ::puke::
For what it's worth, I know Tami, and I've had the pleasure of meeting her sons. Both kids are good kids, happy, well adjusted and Tami is a wonderful mom to those boys.
Why don't some of you fuckwads try getting your kids taken away from you, then have 'the powers that be' alienate you from your child, tell your child all kinds of bullshit stories as to why his mother is not allowed to see him, fill his head with all kinds of crap and then tell me how YOU would feel?
I have not gone thru it myself, thank god, but I tell you, if I did, I'd do exactly the same thing Tami did, and then some. If a child needs help, then great, help him, but don't resort to bullshit brainwashing tactics so you can pump out another 'success story' to hang on your wall of fame. :wall: :wall: :wall:
This kind of public attack on a person is completely uncalled for, especially when full names are being mentioned and all kinds of bullshit lies are being spread about a woman who simply wanted her son back.
Guess what folks.... she GOT her son back and thankfully, he's slowly getting back to the kid she knew before he got sent to that hell hole. All parents who had kids in this farce of a program should be as lucky as this family.
Really, how interesting - the kid was a perfectly well adjusted young man that ended up in front of a judge?? something doesn't compute . . . and then why did he choose to stay with AARC ????? . . uhm because his 'mother' was such a prize???
tell me, how does a good well adjusted kid end up in soooooo much trouble that they are on probation?????? WTF , what a cruel world we live in - well adjusted kids with good parents in drug/alchol treatment and sentenced to jail time. SOMEONE call the police . . AJAX13 come save the day!!!! roflmao
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Dear Anon-Guest,
You sure spend a lot of energy moaning and whining about my moaning and whining, while completely avoiding my point that these kids were physically abused at AARC and their parents chose their relationship with AARC over their relationship with their own children.
And don't worry about my kids getting attention, there's lots of me to go around! But thanks for your concern, it means a lot.
. .and you likely chose your relationship with YOURSELF over your own kid?? gag and puke, you are one sick mommy
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Also, where are you finding all these "happy grateful" people who have gone through AARC?
Because, whenever I find people who even know of AARC, it's always something bad. And that's aside from AJAX, his SLF and others here on fornits.
and your cirlce of people is 'way-wide' isn't it roflmao. what is the square footage of your local pub. . . uh is is about that wide, right??
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AARC is not a branch of the penal system. AARC claims to provide treatment to people suffering from a disease. SuperSackofShit Dean Vause sells AARC by equating a wide array of anti-social behaviours with addiction, but breaking the law doesn't make a person a drug addict. LyingFucker Dean Vause labels whatever he chooses as druggie behavior, just like his mentor Miller Newton. That allows the CreepyShitpile to take kids with all kinds of problems from run of the mill teenaged defiance to serious mental disorders and call them all addicts. As he is just a phys ed teacher and not capable of actually treating any disease, he simply takes credit if an adolescent grows out of their unruly behaviour, and blames the disease if they turn out to be murderers. Either way, he takes the dough and gets his ugly ass-kissing face in the paper.
The whole thing would be hilarious if it didn't cause so much harm to the victims.
As always, fuck you, Vause worshipping assholes.
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. . . SuperSackofShit Dean Vause . . . LyingFucker Dean Vause . . . CreepyShitpile . . . Either way, he takes the dough and gets his ugly ass-kissing face in the paper.
The whole thing would be hilarious if it didn't cause so much harm to the victims . . .As always, fuck you, Vause worshipping assholes.
Written likea true scholar - one of AJX13's proteges . . . just like 'sicktomystomach'/'a mom'
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Written likea true scholar - one of AJX13's proteges . . . just like 'sicktomystomach'/'a mom'
Written like a truly desperate and seriously limited follower of a third-rate evangelizing rip-off artist. What are you going to do once this blows open and the facts come out?
"I was a Peer Counselor at a place that charged $50 000 to force kids into AA."
"Yeah, I had no professional qualifications nor a license, but I performed the psychological manipulation of highly vulnerable adolescents."
"Host homes? Yeah, we locked the Newcomers in the rooms at night and prevented them from leaving if they chose to do so." "No, the host homes are not overseen by any regulatory body. No, we had no legal right to confine anybody in a host home or at the centre."
"The boss? Well, a lot of people seemed to think he was a psychologist or a medical doctor, but he was just a phys ed teacher and school guidance counselor. No, he had no profesional qualifications to perform psychological interventions either."
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Written likea true scholar - one of AJX13's proteges . . . just like 'sicktomystomach'/'a mom'
Written like a truly desperate and seriously limited follower of a third-rate evangelizing rip-off artist. What are you going to do once this blows open and the facts come out?
Desparate , and you would say that beee....cause that is what you are, einstein? Desparate about what, I don't have the sick GF that I follow around like a whipped puppy dog trying to make her twisted world untwist when she obviously needs to perpetuate the poor little ol'me stuff. she writes on this site and proves that everytime ya 'hear' from her - need to blame something other than herself for what a wack job she is, was and always will likely be . . .oh ya you have AARC to blame and the obession is the way to keep your relnship intact. . sorry I forgot . . .roflmao
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True desperation is permeating all of the AARColytes, as the above post bears out.
Why do you post on Fornits if the people you're confronting are "wack-jobs" and whipped puppy-dogs?
It's not my fault that you gave your money and your child to a fraud.