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Treatment Abuse, Behavior Modification, Thought Reform => Straight, Inc. and Derivatives => Topic started by: Anonymous on August 18, 2008, 01:42:07 PM
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Psy, If that really is AARC they have a legitimate beef. It is clear that you are not able to see both sides of the issue. Imagine if you owned a construction business you are trying to make successful and you had someone questioning your ability publically. Even though you have a degree, they questioned whether or not you ever attended class. They attacked your school saying it was unaccredited when it in fact was. Telling people that the house you built for him fell down. This person made up lies about the health of your employees and their spouses, placing this information on the internet. Tried to discredit you thru manipulating your published statistics of success and trying to discredit the people who conducted and put together the numbers.
On top of all of this, this person refused to reveal themselves choosing to cower in the shadows instead of discussing their concerns face to face.
Wouldn’t you want to talk to this person?
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And the who can go fuck himself, along with AARC. I believe I made that clear in this thread:
viewtopic.php?f=7&t=25728#p313517 (http://www.fornits.com/phpbb/viewtopic.php?f=7&t=25728#p313517)
As for Ajax, I would strongly recommend he NOT contact AARC for the reasons made clear in the above linked thread. I would also he recommend he not stop speaking the truth about the place publicly. The only thing worse than a lawsuit is the chilling effects surrounding one. Programs cannot learn that slapp suits or threats are an acceptable tactic to shut people up.
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It is clear why many of the intention of posters get miss understood here, WOW!!. I never mentioned slapp suits or lawsuits. I was curious as to why Ajax spent several weeks here on fornits asking questions when he could have just contacted AARC directly and asked them.
From a business perspective I have always found it easier to resolve issues like this directly. Someone could have explained the study to him or directed his question to someone at Hazelden. Contact the Union Institute to see if and when they were accredited etc.
Why escalate it to the point where there has to be a lawsuit or talking from the shadows. Doesnt make any sense unless the day in court is what he wants and maybe that is what I am missing. I just never have seen someone try to seek answers in this manner before..... like asking General motors questions about your Ford pick-up... why not go directly to the Ford dealership?
I think it is a little late now and I would agree that it is not in Ajaxs best interest to contact AARC. But you have to admit its a little dumb, not only is Ajax not satified with the answers he got from his questions but he has to go hide somewhere. Talk about lose lose situation. Someone needs to sit down with that boy.
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Society would be better served by euthanizing teens who lack the mental ability to grasp the simple concepts of a good program. My daughter's IQ is 130+, which enabled her to excel in assimilating the positive life skills ASR made available to her. Fornits "survivors" are angry about their intellectual shortcomings, which prevented them from succeeding in the programs their loving families placed them in. You were all too mentally inferior to grasp the simple and life saving lessons your programs offered. Kids who are smarter and more perceptive than you bitter "survivors" shouldn't be denied the exceptional opportunity to grow that a therapeutic boarding school provides. Sorry all of you failed, but let the best and brightest have their chance to grow and learn in an RTC. The experience could alter their lives and keep them from becoming like...all of you on Fornits.
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Look thewho, give it up, they are never going to give you a straight answer because they know you are right. They will rewrite your posts and try to make it look like they are answering you when in fact they are not. Any normal person would have approached AARC first, like you said, called the police, 911 etc. but you are dealing with a bunch of asses who don’t want to talk about anything or have a credible discussion. Then when the GAO passes them by they scratch their heads. They avoid direct dialog like the plague and just post to make all programs look bad, ajax’s postings over the past few weeks give you an indication that very few are interested in what others have to say. You are wasting your time, plus you should really give some thought to getting a life yourself.
tatafornow
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Look thewho, give it up, they are never going to give you a straight answer because they know you are right. They will rewrite your posts and try to make it look like they are answering you when in fact they are not. Any normal person would have approached AARC first, like you said, called the police, 911 etc. but you are dealing with a bunch of asses who don’t want to talk about anything or have a credible discussion. Then when the GAO passes them by they scratch their heads. They avoid direct dialog like the plague and just post to make all programs look bad, ajax’s postings over the past few weeks give you an indication that very few are interested in what others have to say. You are wasting your time, plus you should really give some thought to getting a life yourself.
tatafornow
^^ TheWho talking to himself ^^
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Quit trying to be manipulative, Who! :D
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Look thewho, give it up, they are never going to give you a straight answer because they know you are right. They will rewrite your posts and try to make it look like they are answering you when in fact they are not. Any normal person would have approached AARC first, like you said, called the police, 911 etc. but you are dealing with a bunch of asses who don’t want to talk about anything or have a credible discussion. Then when the GAO passes them by they scratch their heads. They avoid direct dialog like the plague and just post to make all programs look bad, ajax’s postings over the past few weeks give you an indication that very few are interested in what others have to say. You are wasting your time, plus you should really give some thought to getting a life yourself.
tatafornow
Yea, guess I got sucked in again. If you read back it does looks like Ajax was trying to get answers to his questions. It is hard to differentiate between those who are sincere and looking for answers and someone just trolling a program in an attempt to make them look bad.
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guesy
And the who can go fuck himself, along with AARC. I believe I made that clear in this thread:
http://www.fornits.com/phpbb/viewtopic. ... 28#p313517 (http://www.fornits.com/phpbb/viewtopic.php?f=7&t=25728#p313517)
As for Ajax, I would strongly recommend he NOT contact AARC for the reasons made clear in the above linked thread. I would also he recommend he not stop speaking the truth about the place publicly. The only thing worse than a lawsuit is the chilling effects surrounding one. Programs cannot learn that slapp suits or threats are an acceptable tactic to shut people up.
WAY TO GO TheWho
and what an incredible fault on the volley by 'psy'. He/she realy had no come back on that one other than . . ."go fuck themselves"!!!!!!!!!!!!! roflmao
Fact of the matter is that The Who is speaking to people who are a drain on society and have never had the ambition or capacity to run a sucessful business. Hence, they are useless to try to engage in a mature worthwile discussion. No expereince, no education and certainly nothing positive to contribute on anything to anyone. Just dead set on exhorting BS about others who legitimately help others and are recognized for their efforts via cash, awards and hundreds of grateful people WHO WOULD drop everthing to give bacd to an organization that has had such a positive affect on their lives. ::deadhorse::
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It is clear why many of the intention of posters get miss understood here, WOW!!. I never mentioned slapp suits or lawsuits. I was curious as to why Ajax spent several weeks here on fornits asking questions when he could have just contacted AARC directly and asked them.
From a business perspective I have always found it easier to resolve issues like this directly. Someone could have explained the study to him or directed his question to someone at Hazelden. Contact the Union Institute to see if and when they were accredited etc.
Why escalate it to the point where there has to be a lawsuit or talking from the shadows. Doesnt make any sense unless the day in court is what he wants and maybe that is what I am missing. I just never have seen someone try to seek answers in this manner before..... like asking General motors questions about your Ford pick-up... why not go directly to the Ford dealership?
I think it is a little late now and I would agree that it is not in Ajaxs best interest to contact AARC. But you have to admit its a little dumb, not only is Ajax not satified with the answers he got from his questions but he has to go hide somewhere. Talk about lose lose situation. Someone needs to sit down with that boy.
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Oh , I would never say it is too late. I doubt AARC or Vause would refrain from answering all his questions. I really doubt there is some kind of resentment on 'their' part. So, resolving his/her grievanes face to face is surely how they would handle it. The thing is - VINNY is not mature enough and wants his wife to remain a victim. He also does not want to admit he is wrong. He has way to much invested in the lies. If it gets ressolved his job iwth her would be done and he would be . .. obsolete!
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Look thewho, give it up, they are never going to give you a straight answer because they know you are right. They will rewrite your posts and try to make it look like they are answering you when in fact they are not. Any normal person would have approached AARC first, like you said, called the police, 911 etc. but you are dealing with a bunch of asses who don’t want to talk about anything or have a credible discussion. Then when the GAO passes them by they scratch their heads. They avoid direct dialog like the plague and just post to make all programs look bad, ajax’s postings over the past few weeks give you an indication that very few are interested in what others have to say. You are wasting your time, plus you should really give some thought to getting a life yourself.
tatafornow
YEs, they'll give vinny the truth . . but he is not intereted in that, see previous. BUt your point is . . . ? can you make yourself clear and then AARC and others might be able to help you out LOL
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Yea, guess I got sucked in again. If you read back it does look like Ajax was trying to get answers to his questions. It is hard to differentiate between those who are sincere and looking for answers and someone just trolling a program in an attempt to make them look bad.[/quote]
Oh, please you were right to start with - Vinny could make the calls and get the truth just like me and anyone else. For what ever reason he won't and is challenged in any kind of research - i.e whether Vause played on the Swift Current Broncos
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You people suggesting he call AARC for the answers to his questions CANNOT be serious!!!! You really believe they'd admit to the shit that goes on in there? ROFLMFAO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Riiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiight.
Just like all the HRS inspections of Straight and Newton. Kids reported abuse, HRS "investigated" (asked Newton if he did anything wrong), believed whatever the good "Dr." told them and then the kids who called HRS were severely punished for their transgression of questioning the program and its leader.
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You people suggesting he call AARC for the answers to his questions CANNOT be serious!!!! You really believe they'd admit to the shit that goes on in there? ROFLMFAO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Riiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiight.
Just like all the HRS inspections of Straight and Newton. Kids reported abuse, HRS "investigated" (asked Newton if he did anything wrong), believed whatever the good "Dr." told them and then the kids who called HRS were severely punished for their transgression of questioning the program and its leader.
Well lets step back a little.......Ajax's Question about the union institute being accredited. Instead of posting for several weeks that it was not accredited and then challenging people to prove it was and when it was. He could have just called the institute and gotten the answer he needed and saved himselve weeks of inquiries. The same with the statistical questions. He could have contacted Hazelden or a local university that teaches stats to get answers to his questions instead of spreading false information. Then on top of that making medical diagnosis on people who work there? It is very bazaar behavior to say the least. Many of us tried to point him in the right direction for his answers and tried to answer them ourselves. But each time we did he made up more lies. If I was AARC I would want to know who this person is also. All of us would if it were you he was talking about.
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You people suggesting he call AARC for the answers to his questions CANNOT be serious!!!! You really believe they'd admit to the shit that goes on in there? ROFLMFAO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Riiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiight.
Just like all the HRS inspections of Straight and Newton. Kids reported abuse, HRS "investigated" (asked Newton if he did anything wrong), believed whatever the good "Dr." told them and then the kids who called HRS were severely punished for their transgression of questioning the program and its leader.
Well lets step back a little.......Ajax's Question about the union institute being accredited. Instead of posting for several weeks that it was not accredited and then challenging people to prove it was and when it was. He could have just called the institute and gotten the answer he needed and saved himselve weeks of inquiries. The same with the statistical questions. He could have contacted Hazelden or a local university that teaches stats to get answers to his questions instead of spreading false information. Then on top of that making medical diagnosis on people who work there? It is very bazaar behavior to say the least. Many of us tried to point him in the right direction for his answers and tried to answer them ourselves. But each time we did he made up more lies. If I was AARC I would want to know who this person is also. All of us would if it were you he was talking about.
It's much more effective when you engage people, pose questions and have them think and find answers on their own. It's a new concept called critical thinking. You might want to look into it.
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It's much more effective when you engage people, pose questions and have them think and find answers on their own. It's a new concept called critical thinking. You might want to look into it.
No its not it is called spreading lies, but nice try. People don’t spread lies about others, trying to be hurtful, just to challenge others on their critical thinking skills.
Think about it (no dig/pun intended)
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No its not it is called spreading lies, but nice try.
He's not lying.
People don’t spread lies about others, trying to be hurtful, just to challenge others on their critical thinking skills.
He's not lying.
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again, read back and you will see that you are wrong. It was intentional lies on Ajax's part. Its all documented here.
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again, read back and you will see that you are wrong. It was intentional lies on Ajax's part. Its all documented here.
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I'll be glad to read it as soon as you link to it.
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Well lets step back a little.......Ajax's Question about the union institute being accredited. Instead of posting for several weeks that it was not accredited and then challenging people to prove it was and when it was. He could have just called the institute and gotten the answer he needed and saved himselve weeks of inquiries. The same with the statistical questions. He could have contacted Hazelden or a local university that teaches stats to get answers to his questions instead of spreading false information. Then on top of that making medical diagnosis on people who work there? It is very bazaar behavior to say the least. Many of us tried to point him in the right direction for his answers and tried to answer them ourselves. But each time we did he made up more lies. If I was AARC I would want to know who this person is also. All of us would if it were you he was talking about.
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Well lets step back a little.......Ajax's Question about the union institute being accredited. Instead of posting for several weeks that it was not accredited and then challenging people to prove it was and when it was. He could have just called the institute and gotten the answer he needed and saved himselve weeks of inquiries. The same with the statistical questions. He could have contacted Hazelden or a local university that teaches stats to get answers to his questions instead of spreading false information. Then on top of that making medical diagnosis on people who work there? It is very bazaar behavior to say the least. Many of us tried to point him in the right direction for his answers and tried to answer them ourselves. But each time we did he made up more lies. If I was AARC I would want to know who this person is also. All of us would if it were you he was talking about.
Links to said posts please. "We" aren't going to just take your word on what Ajax did or didn't do or say. You're not exactly credible.
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I'll make it easy for you. What, specifically, did Ajax lie about? Again, please provide links for said lies, not just your interpretation or paraphrasing......his actual words.
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Parent of a recent aarc graduate here.
Never heard "get honest" in the real world, but it's coined a lot in AARC.
AARC has dealings with a REAL psychiatrist. AARC will mention this person's name if they are queried on professionals within their organization. I spoke to her. This person is not on staff and is NOT in contact with the clients. She will "consult with the clinical staff" if it's requested. This is a consultation only, based on information provided by AARC staff, the psychiatrist does NOT interview or examine the client.
Despite my son's history and previous involvement with a psychiatrist, this psychiatrist had never heard of my son, certainly never treated him and was surprised to hear of many incidents I described that, due to their nature, should have been brought to her attention, but weren't.
My client child also believed AARC, specifically Dean Vause, was his legal guardian. He was not.
He believed "Doc Vause" was a medical doctor, a psychiatrist. He is not.
He believed Peter Choate was a psychiatrist or at least a psychologist. He is not. But Choate did give him a short quiz AFTER he was already a client at AARC, which according to them, confirmed his status as an addict.
This "quiz" along with information provided by AARC and no one else constituted the "independent, outside evaluation" that was explained to me to be conducted on my son. I fail to believe that Choate is entirely independent or outside of the AARC program.
He believed the doctor he visited (Dr. Alan Stanhope) had no previous or current connection to the AARC program despite the fact that this doctor is the only doctor to examine clients (they are not permitted to see their OWN physicians), is quoted several times on the AARC website, is a former board member, not to mention being married to the provincial youth court judge who ordered my son into the program in the first place and then kept him there as a minor without parental consent which was required to get him in there in the first place.
This husband and wife doctor/judge team also attended his graduation ceremony at AARC, as AARC appointed 'guests'.
He believed his lawyer had no connection to the AARC program and was simply a referral despite the fact that the clinical staff later revealed that this lawyer is a part of the AARC's "legal committee" and in spite of the fact that this lawyer was spotted sitting with the executive director of AARC, Dean Vause, in box seats at a Calgary Hitmen/Swift Current Bronco's playoff game.
I provided a wrapped Christmas present for my son, a dress shirt, along with a stocking full of toiletries that complied with "client rules". A staff member gave him this shirt and claimed it was HIS OWN and my son could have it. The contents of the stocking were later given to him too (sans stocking) with no mention that it came from his family.
He believed I abandoned him, and didn't care if he lived or died. He knew nothing of the numerous times I tried to remain in contact with him, but was unlawfully denied access to my own child for almost an entire YEAR!
He knew nothing of the fact that his autistic brother could not participate in the AARC program. Or that lack of participation meant he had to be removed from our household for me to remain in AARC and remain in contact with him. Despite the fact that there was no where for his brother to go, including AARC's suggestion that he be placed into the custody of Child Welfare even though he is safe and well cared for with his family.
He progressively grew to hate me, knew nothing of the torment his brother and I went through over the holidays and birthdays and each and every day we knew nothing of his whereabouts or well being.
Worst of all he grew to believe he was an addict, and an alcoholic.
His real problems and mental health issues that needed professional help were never addressed and he was treated for problems he had to THEN CREATE to ever get out of the program.
Don't even talk to me about "lies"!!!!!
Anything else you'd like first hand information on?
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You people suggesting he call AARC for the answers to his questions CANNOT be serious!!!! You really believe they'd admit to the shit that goes on in there? ROFLMFAO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Riiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiight.
Just like all the HRS inspections of Straight and Newton. Kids reported abuse, HRS "investigated" (asked Newton if he did anything wrong), believed whatever the good "Dr." told them and then the kids who called HRS were severely punished for their transgression of questioning the program and its leader.
Your name should be Duhh...what - Vinny was saying that there weer no Social Workers, Psychiatrists or Psychologists working at AARC. UHM . . einstein. He could call there like any other person doing inquiries on a place and ask for names and credentials of people who work with the clients. Pretty freaking simple and WHY the Hell wouldn' AARC supply the information to him just like anyont else they would supply to when they get inquiries about their treatment centre.
What the hell does that have to do with Miller-Newton, too. You idiots are really cut from the same cloth no wonder treatment doesn't work for ya . . . . professionals can't really help someone who is technical brain dead.