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Treatment Abuse, Behavior Modification, Thought Reform => The Troubled Teen Industry => Topic started by: Anonymous on August 13, 2008, 08:26:52 PM
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I'm a minor living in north carolina. I've spent 9 months at three seperate facilities, all horribly abusive.
I'm out now but live with a constant threat of going back. It's done in good heart, but the people doing it (read: parents) have no clue how bad these places are.
Is there anything I can do to prevent something like this happening? I'd much rather spend time in a juvnile detention facility for anything I did wrong than one of these.. Is there nothing any law can do to prevent this?
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Troll.
Parents you hate and you'd rather be in juvie than sent back?
Obvious move is obvious.
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Unfortunately, there is no law advocating for the child in this kind of situation. Your only course of action while a minor child is to follow your parents rules, bide your time and when you reach the age of majority get as far away as possible.
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I'm a minor living in north carolina. I've spent 9 months at three seperate facilities, all horribly abusive.
I'm out now but live with a constant threat of going back. It's done in good heart, but the people doing it (read: parents) have no clue how bad these places are.
Is there anything I can do to prevent something like this happening? I'd much rather spend time in a juvnile detention facility for anything I did wrong than one of these.. Is there nothing any law can do to prevent this?
Sadly, there is nothing the law can do to protect you. As a minor, you have no more rights than a slave. What you can do, however, is educate your parents as to how these facilities operate. Do research. Check out ASTART, the GAO's report (and hearing), the FTC's warnings about programs, ISACcorp's warnings on programs (and watch list)... Register and PM me / email me / IM me, and i'll help ya out.
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Parents you hate and you'd rather be in juvie than sent back?
That actually tends to be a fairly common sentiment. I wouldn't call him a troll based on just that.
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Or follow Psy's advice, if they are reasonable enough to listen to you. That option hadn't occurred to me as my parents would NOT have been open to any discussion on the subject.
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Or follow Psy's advice, if they are reasonable enough to listen to you. That option hadn't occurred to me as my parents would NOT have been open to any discussion on the subject.
Shit. I'll even speak to your parents on your behalf if you think it might help... i'll also give you my cell number and If you get sent back to program you can give me your parents number and I can see if I can talk them out of it (or maybe see if I can get a heads up to an attorney on the matter to see if there is a way to get you some sort of legal representation (might not do much, but it would allow you to have a sort of advocate... hopefully)).
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"Hello?"
"Hello, sir", Said Psy as he clutched the phone, palms sweaty with anxiety as he attempts to gauge what type of parent is on the other end of the line.
"Who is this? Do I know you?", the parent responded, curious if this might be their recently departed son.
"This is Michael, I work for a forum called FOR-NITS", spouted Michael.
"Uh..uhmm.. okay. What do you want, Michael?" responded the annoyed and impatient parent.
"I am calling you today because your son just posted an SOS on my forum. He gave me your phone number to call in case he was sent away again. I am calling you to respectfully inform you of the bad choice you have made. In my opin.. "
"How DARE you! Who do you think you are? !" Screamed the angry parent, now foaming at the mouth.
"Well. Like I said, I am an administrator on a forum called FOR-NITS"
"FOR-WHAT?"
"For-NITS, sir. Please. This is serious business, I need you to listen to me carefully. Your son, right now-this very moment- has a finger in his anus hole. "
"WHAT!!??" screamed the frantic parent.
"I regret to inform you sir, but your son is a victim of multiple cases of UFIA" explains Michael.
"What is a You-Fi-Ah" asks the now confused parent.
Michael responds despite his embarrassment in the situation, "It stands for unsolicited finger in anus. Your son told me people like to stick their fingers in his anus. All the way up it. Sometimes entire fists even. "
"My GOD!!" screamed the now panicking parent. "What am I going to do?! I had no idea my son was in so much trouble!"
"It's okay sir, your son will be ok." Said michael attempting to calm the situation.
"How will he be ok?! He has had god-knows-how many unsolicited fingers in his anus... " The parents voice trembles with sadness and fear "I really had no idea. I am such an idiot."
Michael, realizing his goal is near attempts to close the sale. "You might be an idiot, but not all parents expect their kid to suffer from UFIA. It's really not that uncommon these days. The sad truth is, we all suffer from a little UFIA now and then. It's important not to overreact and send your child..."
"Wait a second!! How dare you call me an idiot!!" Interrupts the now fuming parent. Michael senses he has gone to far,
"But I didn't mean it in an offensive way sir, please.."
"NO!" says the parent. "I don't care if my kid has a million UFIA, he is not coming home!"
Click.
"Hello, sir?" "Hello, are you there sir"?"
Michael hangs up the phone, discouraged in his inability to convince another parent to save their kid from UFIA abuse.
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Please ignore the above asshole guest (as amusing as he might be). I've convinced parents not to place their kids in program over the phone before (but I won't say which programs since I don't want to get slapp sued for intentional interference with economic relations... again).
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No, I'm not a troll. Thanks, psy, will do if anything ever pops up.
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I won't be so cliche as to call you a troll, the term is overused on this forum and no longer has meaning. The giveaway that you are not who you claim to be is in the phrase "I am a minor". Think back to when you were (really) under the age of 18. Count how many times you told anybody "I am a minor." It never happened. Kids don't refer to themselves that way. Adults refer to kids this way, adults just like you.
Humor me, I'd like to hear more about the three abusive facilities "you" were in. "You" could write a long post about those experiences which would help keep parents from sending their kids away like "you" were.
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Uh, I'm a minor. (I'm anonhid, just registered). The reason I said that was to emphasize the fact that I don't have the control to just walk out.
Also, I've posted here in the past. I'm being careful as to say my name as of some recent things that have come up with me (internet drama etc).
I spent 7 months at Sorenson's Ranch in Utah, and the other two I will not mention.
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I won't be so cliche as to call you a troll, the term is overused on this forum and no longer has meaning. The giveaway that you are not who you claim to be is in the phrase "I am a minor". Think back to when you were (really) under the age of 18. Count how many times you told anybody "I am a minor." It never happened. Kids don't refer to themselves that way. Adults refer to kids this way, adults just like you.
And what if you're wrong? Thats some rather weak evidence to support your allegation. My suggestion is to STFU and let the kid (even if he isn't) have the benefit of the doubt. Given the gravity of the consequences of inaction here, you don't take risks.
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I spent 7 months at Sorenson's Ranch in Utah, and the other two I will not mention.
SRS (link) (http://http://www.secretprisonsforteens.dk/fornitswiki/index.php/Sorensen%27s_Ranch_School) is not a nice place. And the staff:
In 2002 the Ranch won a suit against the State Department of Human Services. The son of the founders had received a conviction for two felonies in California before starting to work for the facility, which normally would prevent such a person from working with children, but the Ranch appealed and won in the local court.
We are still looking for the exact location of their High Top Ranch (http://http://www.secretprisonsforteens.dk/fornitswiki/index.php/High_Top_Ranch) branch, but the pictures dont give us much to analyze.
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I spent 7 months at Sorenson's Ranch in Utah, and the other two I will not mention.
SRS (link) (http://http://www.secretprisonsforteens.dk/fornitswiki/index.php/Sorensen%27s_Ranch_School) is not a nice place. And the staff:
In 2002 the Ranch won a suit against the State Department of Human Services. The son of the founders had received a conviction for two felonies in California before starting to work for the facility, which normally would prevent such a person from working with children, but the Ranch appealed and won in the local court.
We are still looking for the exact location of their High Top Ranch (http://http://www.secretprisonsforteens.dk/fornitswiki/index.php/High_Top_Ranch) branch, but the pictures dont give us much to analyze.
It's right down the street in koosharem, Utah. We were sometimes doing work projects with them.
They also had kids doing work at a registered sex offenders house, which we found out waaay later, and the staff thought it was funny.
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A Wikimapia link (http://http://www.wikimapia.org/#lat=38.5180863&lon=-111.8777061&z=17&l=0&m=a&v=2) to Top Hat Ranch (http://http://www.secretprisonsforteens.dk/fornitswiki/index.php/High_Top_Ranch) would be nice.
As always info about contract, level system, punishments etc. are welcomed, but like they have done it with PV it could be fun to identify every building on Sorensens property with a kmz-file to Google earth.
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I was at Sorenson's Ranch (SRS) for 5 months. I was 14 then and am now 26. Every single day was filled with sexual abuse and physical abuse...Too much to mention here. We need to join together and take action to stop other childern from being forced to endure this kind of hell. You can contact me at pwac3@yahoo.com.
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I was at Sorenson's Ranch (SRS) for 5 months. I was 14 then and am now 26. Every single day was filled with sexual abuse and physical abuse...Too much to mention here. We need to join together and take action to stop other childern from being forced to endure this kind of hell. You can contact me at pwac3@yahoo.com.
Thank you for sharing this, and I'm sorry it happened.
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you know one option you may want to sit down with your parents and consider is normal boarding school. (in addition to educating them) For whatever reason it sounds like you and your parents are having trouble living together. There are many excellent normal boarding schools where you do not have to live like a prisoner and after surviving the "structure" and rules of these places you will probably find regular boarding school easy enough to deal with. Who knows they may be less strict than your actual parents.
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Is emancipation an option for this kid. We might not be able to convince these parents since the parents are often brainwashed by the programs. I know there are youth advocates who can help with the emancipation process.
http://www.youthrights.net/index.php?ti ... pation_Law (http://www.youthrights.net/index.php?title=North_Carolina_Emancipation_Law)
I hope this helps. Been there and wish I had done gone through the emancipation process. There are now transitional programs to help with schooling, housing, etc.
Hopefully this link can help.
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you know one option you may want to sit down with your parents and consider is normal boarding school. (in addition to educating them) For whatever reason it sounds like you and your parents are having trouble living together.
This sounds like an excellent idea. Sometimes, a little distance is all it takes. Way back when, people used to pawn their kids off on a sympathetic relative or what have you... The kid got a fresh start in a different (and hopefully safe) environment, sometimes a different school system even, and things kinda worked themselves out over time. Sometimes that just isn't workable, and a (regular) boarding school might be a good alternative.
Here is a time where the general tenor of the accompanying Google ads comes in handy when you visit "boarding school review" type sites. If you see a lot of military boarding school, boot camp, or residential treatment facility advertisements when you click on the review of a particular place, chances are...it is not a place you want to be at! These ads are generally more indicative of what kind of place it is than the review itself.
Is emancipation an option for this kid. We might not be able to convince these parents since the parents are often brainwashed by the programs. I know there are youth advocates who can help with the emancipation process.
http://www.youthrights.net/index.php?ti ... pation_Law (http://www.youthrights.net/index.php?title=North_Carolina_Emancipation_Law)
Emancipation also sounds like a good idea, but I am not sure how long that will take. One thing they will look for is whether the kid has a solid plan in place as to where they are going to live, go to school, etc. etc. The plan doesn't have to be perfect; they can help with ironing out the details and feasibility of it all, but they want to see some thoughts along those lines. A kid who is primarily looking forward, proactively, rather than backward, reactively (though, of course those circumstances factor in), ...stands a better chance.
All in all, I think your best bet is to work on all fronts that you can, rather than just one, given that the situation is dire and you need a solution ASAP.