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Treatment Abuse, Behavior Modification, Thought Reform => Straight, Inc. and Derivatives => Topic started by: ajax13 on August 07, 2008, 06:22:27 PM
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AARColyte honoured guest has determined that by criticizing the Leader and his hi-jacked Straight program, I am somehow comparable with a man who murdered a complete stranger and cut his head off on a bus. I don't know that the two acts are similar, but then I have never reached the advanced stage of enlightenment of those privileged to suck up to the Wizard. Perhaps the man who came up with this is in fact John Wayne Gacy.
http://www.thestraights.com/flowchart.htm (http://www.thestraights.com/flowchart.htm)
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yes another topic thread started by vinny/ajax to bury others where he just can't get anywhere and needs to stretch as far as snoopuing around archives in swift current sask to try and find something on Dean Vause. truly a psychotic obsessed little boy...
vinny does not like like I and others continue to challenge him, reducing him to the dullest wit a most ridiculous claims. . . but your sick little wife is happy so that is good
poor vinny
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How doe you know whether or not my wife is happy, or for that matter, sick?
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just guessing, like for other things - your wife has spoken to too many people about things that didn't happen and people who have dumped her. can't remeber where i heard it but the lies are incredible! she sure has you going with them
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How do you know to whom she has spoken?
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she has obviously spoken to YOU ::OMG::
just like you like to call out other graduates or people who defend AARC (i.e. Joshy), she is known by other graduates whether they were friends or not after AARC, stuff spreads when someone has a ridiculous grievance that others know is just that - ridiculous.
as i said the trail went cold but the usual suspects still post . how many times have you and she posted here - hundreds
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Since my spouse was assaulted in a locked bedroom by her male oldcomer, perhaps you could tell the readers of this forum who else could possibly have witnessed the event? And as the aforementioned oldcomer admitted to the act, I don't see how you came to the conclusion that her grievance is ridiculous.
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really . . . how interesting. was it when they were dating after treatment that he supposedly admitted that?
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I am here to respond to your accusations 'vinny/'s fav guest'. I have NEVER accused anyone of raping me. The situation you are refering to is actually 3 different women. You are talking about a rape in the centre, a rape in a host home and a rape by a staff member in the centre. I was assaulted by an oldcomer in a host home. The oldcomer has admitted to this and he made amends to me on step 10. You are not in a place where you should be talking about things you don't understand. You talk about AJAX sounding stupid? Listen to yourself. AJAX has spoken to these women and has actual facts to back up his opinions. You are running on rumors and lies.
So are you saying I am lying? Why would my oldcomer have apologized to me if I made the whole thing up? My issue is how staff dealt with the incident and how I was treated for reporting it. That treatment is what haunts me. I had my cheek bitten and was pushed down a flight of stairs, then put on Zero club for reporting it. One of the girls who beat me admitted to it later. So if it's all lies why would my attackers admit to it?
I am sorry for whatever you have gone through to make you so angry. If you know someone who believes they were helped by AARC then great, but that DOES NOT MAKE WHAT HAPPENED TO ME AND OTHER SURVIVORS OK.
Are you saying that abusing children is ok if some of them don't spend the rest of their lives trying to get over it? If so I am sorry for you and your child (or whoever you put through AARC) and I wish you well. We have the same enemy. You are defending AARC with the anger and drive with which I fight them, we have both been pushed to our edge and are trying to keep from falling. Please do more research before you attack me with your LIES.
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SpecialLadyFriend - that is a very interesting name for you that is for sure.
How touching and heart wrenching.
You sic Vinny on Vasue and as a result he is making all kinds of accusations through various media about AARC and Vause. His accusations and HIS lies illustrate a complete lack of knowledge of Vause and AARC and research. He has called him a sociopath and LOL even goes so far to snooping around swift current archives to try for . . whatever else because you and he both know that Vause's and AARC's reputation and expansion demonstrate thier success.
All you accuse ME of are things that Vinny can own and has demonstrated continuously. Very pathetic itself. There are hundreds of people that have benefited beyond anything you want to acknowledge and your running down Vause, calling people AARColytes etc etc is suppose to be ok. I think not.
"Are you saying that abusing children is ok if some of them don't spend the rest of their lives trying to get over it? If so I am sorry for you and your child (or whoever you put through AARC) and I wish you well. We have the same enemy. You are defending AARC with the anger and drive with which I fight them, we have both been pushed to our edge and are trying to keep from falling. Please do more research before you attack me with your LIES."
How contrite, poor little thing. Children being abused - where and by whom? Yourt lies and Vinny's so called interviews with a whole 3 people who are likely as ill as you are does not compare to all the parents and kids I have talked to who have gone through AARC that are eternally grateful and remain that way. You and Vinny like to accuse those people of being part of a church, cult, under Wiz's spell etc. is that ok??. these are kids and families that were torn apart before they arrived at AARC and that all have very good, productive lives and good relations within those families now. Certainly they are not perfect all the time but leagues away from where they were prior to AARC.
I'll be as patronizing as you and say - I am sorry you are such an angry screwed up girl and that you need to attack AARC to deal with it , plus sic Vinny on Vause so much so he has to snoop around Vauses old home town to see if he can unearth anything. Have him go to the city hall and find out the stellar job he did for them one summer working with mentally handicapped kids, treating them as 'normal' people and helping them to build city buildings rather than make straw baskets because he took more of an interest in them than anyone else would that had that job other summers. So, my self and others who challenege your sick spouse come from a place of knowing more about vause than you or he does and also have talked to MANY very grateful people about AARC.
As a consequence of that we come here to challenge your obseesed spouse who has the most vitriolic contempt for a place he has never been to, a man that he has never met (here is a quote from Vinny on Vause after he thinks he has demonstrated that he never played for the Swift Current Broncos , - "The Speedy Creek Pervert, giant of sport and lurning"). There are way too many people that are grateful to AARC and Vause and quite frankly your whiny little note is pathetic.
"do more research research before you attack [AARC and Vause ]with YOUR LIES" actually you might do SOMe research. I never did any research to hear the gratitude I have heard from people when i go to Calgary. It comes out of anyone I bump into that has had experience with taking their kid through there or if they are someone who has gone through there and has taken responsibility for their life and this actually spreads back to where I live if I ahppen to meet anyone that has experience with substance abuse and went through AARC - Vause is highly respected for his compassion and dedication to helping people. Something that you and Vinny would never get.
Please get well for everyone's sake. you might stop blaming people for things that are wrong with you.
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I don't feel the need to defend my side with the same fervor you do. "Me thinks she dost protest too much" is the only quote I can send to you. I won't quote your post because I am not here to argue the fine points. In AARC I was abused, refused contact with my family and tortured in the name of treatment. I am not here to say whether that happened to anyone else.
I have spent years trying to move on with my life. I love my husband and the understanding he has brought me about what happened to me and the love he has brought to my life.
You and I will end up in the same place in the end, I hope we arrive with the same respect and understanding for each other. I am not trying to be condescending, I really want everyone who has ever come in contact with AARC to feel peace and calm. I am sorry you don't feel that now.
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I don't feel the need to defend my side with the same fervor you do. "Me thinks she dost protest too much" is the only quote I can send to you. I won't quote your post because I am not here to argue the fine points. In AARC I was abused, refused contact with my family and tortured in the name of treatment. I am not here to say whether that happened to anyone else.
I have spent years trying to move on with my life. I love my husband and the understanding he has brought me about what happened to me and the love he has brought to my life.
You and I will end up in the same place in the end, I hope we arrive with the same respect and understanding for each other. I am not trying to be condescending, I really want everyone who has ever come in contact with AARC to feel peace and calm. I am sorry you don't feel that now.
obviously you and your husband have no peace and calm, not vinny's fav guest. otherwise your husband would not post the things he does for the many years he has. I think you should get honest instead of implying others have a problem.
No one will change your mind from stating extreme things like "In AARC I was abused, refused contact with my family and tortured in the name of treatment." You seem to need to play the victim while you have your husband throwing grenades at someone like Dean Vause and AARC. This signifies a very sick relationship built on playing victim and blame. Saying that AARC abuses kids and torture people is ludicrous, extreme and completely unbelievable but you obviously need to stay there to maintain a very sick relationship with your husband. Sad, really. I feel sorry for you both
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Or... I was abused in AARC and have found a man who can help me overcome the pain I was subjected to. I am NO victim. I live a full and beautiful life. If you think my need to confront the institution that tortured me is sick then that is your opinion. I have found a man who has helped me to heal and is helping me to fight an injustice that was visited upon me as a child. I am SOOOOOOOOOOOOOO happy to have AJAX as my man. I would not trade my life for anything. I am the person now that I always felt existed. I am alive in spite of AARC, not because of it.
I am not going to spend my time defending my life to you. I am not a victim anymore, I am a SURVIVOR!!!!
I come on this website to try and offer another story to AARC clients. I am just trying to help the children who come out and feel they have no choices. What are you doing here? Trying to bully people who have already traversed the AARC obstacle course? What sadness you wish to spread. Why would you want to hurt the people who are just looking to understand what happened to them in AARC? I don't need to defend my life to you. I am not on here trying to victimise or bully people who have already suffered enough. I am just trying to tell my story.
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nope, you play the victim, classic textbook style
who speaks like this "that was visited upon me as a child" , really . . . get a life
If you two have such a wonderful life why does your spouse rant and rave about AARC for years. you two obviously have not gotten over anything and he is obviously obsessed (or you are) in a very destructive way with Dean Vause and AARC. how can you possibly have a loving and beautiful life filled with constant attacks on Dean Vause, AARC and the staff there?
quid pro quo - One doth protest too much played perfectly - " I have found a man who has helped me to heal and is helping me to fight an injustice that was visited upon me as a child. I am SOOOOOOOOOOOOOO happy to have AJAX as my man. I would not trade my life for anything." . . plus you say you don't need to defend your life to anyone but you continue to do just that.
You also try to convince others that you and your husband's behaviour is appropriate - by childishly attacking someone who you want to believe did you such an injustice. You might benefit from reading the "the Bear's embrace by Patricia Van Tighen and then come back here and tell us all how your husband's standards of professional's 'care' for people in medical environs are so sound and if the abuse "visited upon" you was anywhere as destructive at AARC as she experienced. not likely, but you want to continue your charade and help the "poor little children" coming out of aarc. you and your husband are nothing but toxin for them and you would only help them NOT to take responsibility for their lives while staying obsessed with petty grievances from a place that actually did save your life. Only very disturbed kids having extreme effects on their family and the community end up in AARC. you were obviously there and beyond hope or your parents would not have taken you to AARC and/or you physically threatened their well being or any siblings you have. AARC grads who don't attack AARC and Dean Vause (for years) in such childish and extreme ways seem to be incredibly wonderful people once they have gotten real, recovered from addiction and grow up without leaning on another person like you do on your spouse. They can stand on their own two feet in spite of horrendous things that happened to them in their addiction and the struggle it was to get well. And they don't need to spend years purporting to having been "tortured and abused" at a place like AARC - what sort of torture - did they rip your nails out one/day and subject you to beatings every other day? that is an extremely strong word.
Please get well and leave AARC grads to continue their recovery without your trying to make them believe they just went through a torture chamber. What is the real reason you dislike Dean Vause and AARC what is the real reason your husband needs to take personal shots at him and his staff. It is obvious the nicknames Ajax uses come from you since he hasn't been there. What comes out of his mouth is from you filling him full of your toxic blame and need to attack other "children" who courageously beat addiction without attacking those around them in such a mean and nasty fashion. what do you call them - AARColytes etc. etc. not too loving, peaceful and helpful. AS I said I do feel very sorry for you, too. AARC and Dean Vause will continue to help kids and families and they will continue to give back and help others, but you two will continue your victimhood and the attacks.
Who is the bully? AJax does a that very well. The way he bullies TheWho, "Joshy" (what was the comment about whether he still has some counsellor's picture - that had to come from you, how would ajax know that stuff??) and others who post here and he displays the incredible cowardly behaviour by childishly attacking everything about Dean Vause behind his back and making fun of him like a coward. Bullies are just that - cowards. You husband is one and quite frankly you are too since you provide Ajax with a means to attack people like "Joshy"and other AARC grads and staff. So your playing the innocent victim really doesn't get far with me. it is very sad.
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Well, well, well . . . . . . i would say 'observation' about covered it!!
I would add one thing at the very end "it is very sad" and sick, little miss victim saying "I am just here trying to tell my story" - - Vinny's venom comes directly out of you, honey. it is very destructive and sick ; it is a mirror of your relationship with him.
You must be very easy to spot with the be V tattooed between your eyes. with Vinny running around with his white cape on to protect some one who thinks she was "visited upon" by "abuse and torture" What kind of abuse and torture did you put your mother through? she describes how she desparately had to find help, it is a matter of public record is it not!
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What's sad and sick is the AARC crap in this thread. I think most of the regulars have just stepped back and let you ig yourselves a hole. I'm inclined to agree, but I gotta throw this in:
PARENTS!
THESE ARE REAL PROGRAMMIES! THESE PEOPLE REALLY WANT CONTROL OF YOUR CHILDREN!!! This is no joke, no bullshit. These people really do think this way. This really is how they WILL treat your kids. This isn't some game, or even trolling as it is commonly known. These sick fucks REALLY BELIEVE child abuse and psychological help are one and the same.
What more proof do you need?
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nope, more like toxic sick little night creatures who can not take the truth so run and hide! but first come out for a bit to try to appear wounded and benevolent.
I love the MANY people I have met that have gone through AARC who are healthy, happy, genuine individuals not the few like yourself and your buddies who don't confront anything directly. Vinny and his victim - they make outlandish allegations but never come forward and actually confront AARC and VAuse face to face. I know him well enough that he would listen with respect and try to help to resolve the situation even though most people would sooner kick people like both of them to the curb - he would be likely be willing to address anything she had to say - but nope she sent out Vinny and he writes all his invective full of baseless lies and ridiculous interpretations and allegations, mistruths and . . well comedy of information that he can't understand - the best being Vause has never played with Swift Current Broncos as a teen .
But of course several hundred health happy people are all wrong and Vinny and godzilla are the aggrieved and enlighten and she almost tried to sound evangelistic! They will continue to run down the "AARColyte" hundreds insisting they are part of some cult to suit there sick agenda.
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Look, I don’t mean harm to anyone. I am just doing what my girlfriend tells me to. I never attended AARC or had any schooling past highschool, so what personal motivation would I have to attack this place and Vause. My girlfriend calls him the “Wiz” and she says she was raped while there (although many say it was a boyfriend of sorts or relationship gone bad) and I am just trying to lash out in her defense. She has been really proud of me the way I have taken on everyone and protected her honor which makes me feel good inside, like I have a purpose in life now. I have tried to convince her to speak out against them but she refuses, I believe these things really happened to her and she rarely lies except when she gets these intense needs to draw attention to herself which doesn’t happen too often. So all of this doesn’t interfere with our relationship.
Anyway, I realize the “wiz” has a valid degree from an accredited university and the study is fairly solid but I am honor bound to keep trying to tear him and AARC down a notch. So I will be sticking around as long as it pleases, That special lady, in my life.
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Ajax, I have read some of your posts and you just act so angry and don’t want to listen to anyone. Supporting your ladyfriend is a good thing but your actions are not healthy and will not help her. You know this already based on your last post, Your anger will just grow if you continue this way. Try to do some positive things with her like go to the movies or out to dinner. You should not have to constantly please her by yelling at people on the internet or there is something wrong with your relationship. If she doesn’t want to go to the police with this information it should tell you something or is a red flag and you might want to talk to her and try to find out why she is really angry with AARC, maybe she is just angry with herself and is using you.
You both should talk and do something together that is positive, this isn’t healthy.
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ditto on last guest
both ajax and his girl friend are in a very sick relationship and need help.
this is not about dean vause and AARC or vinny's fav guest
they need help individually with themselves
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Dumbasses, that's not Ajax's post. It's someone trying to make it seem like it's Ajax, by using an upper case "I" in place of a number 1 in the "13" part of his name.
It's very telling the lengths that AARC and it's supporters will go to discredit anyone who dares to criticize AARC or Vause. Another sign of a dangerous cult.
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Awwww, you had to ruin it!
First post in this thread is about program insanity and the next four responses completely prove my point. I was hoping for more.
I'm still wondering who's winning the competition between Ajax and Zen. Ajax's troll is more vicious and imaginative, but Zen's troll is more persistent even if it does play only one tune.
This latest salvo puts Ajax a bit ahead, though.
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*First post on this PAGE.
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I'm still wondering who's winning the competition between Ajax and Zen. Ajax's troll is more vicious and imaginative, but Zen's troll is more persistent even if it does play only one tune.
They're both doing an effective job if they're getting attacked so much. Keep it up Ajax, Zen.
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sure, psy thye are doing a stand up job - not describing the "torture", playing victim and saviour and demonstrating what a pathetically sick relationship they are in - kudos to them!!
roflmao
PS - we knew ajax would never write what someone in his camp thought would be good fun to post and of course all the "AARColytes" get blamed. so convenient
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sure, psy thye are doing a stand up job - not describing the "torture", playing victim and saviour and demonstrating what a pathetically sick relationship they are in - kudos to them!!
roflmao
If all that is true, why are you here? Surely it can't be to offer help, and if it is, does your variety of "help" come in the form of cutting others down and calling them sick regardless of any lack of first hand knowledge you might have over their personal lives? If that is your concept of "help", I can see how others can see it as "abuse", or even "torture" under the right circumstances.
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another that would like me to leave. guess that is why I'll stay.
if providing the truth is a crime then charge me. i am staying to join the others that would like to see the truth posted here rather than the ludicrous stuff Vinny/ajax and co. post on AARC, Vause and his education.
re: no first hand knowledge - i think reading their post is pretty well the 1st hand knowledge .
Hilarious that you would accuse me of cutting people down - that is Vinny's mission in life . . uhm have you read what he has written about Vause , to "joshy", to the who to name a few. So, i don't think i really stand out very much in fact that seems to be the game plan here. I am so surprised you haven't picked up on that . . . . well i'll leave that alone rather than surmising why you 'missed' that.
and psy, you think some one is being 'tortured' by me . . . the lengths to which you'll go to accuse others of the very thing you guys do here . . BUT 'torture' the way you guys throw that word around is hilarious.
I would like to know exactly how people were"tortured" in AARC - but I am sure we'll never get a complete answer or the truth on that either.
Funny how there is a waiting list for people to get in to AARC and they have had to expand so people can get in there to be "tortured" explain that one paleez
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I haven't seen anyone who wants you to leave. This forum has proven to be a vital resource to demonstrate to people just how nuts you AARColytes are. You did however, say you were leaving several times, but all you've done is change your name a half dozen times. I will say that reading a few internet posts before diagnosing my wife as sick is much more comprehensive than the diagnosis used by AARC at the time of her intake. Can you read tarot cards too?
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only in your mind did i say i was leaving a couple times . . but what the heck the truth is not something you think is important.
oh no it is not just the internet posts, i think there were a couple news articles written about her - didn't her mother describe the hell she put her family through . .but that probabl doesn't coun, hey Vin . . in you world . .right.. 15 yr old girls always get convicted of armed robbery
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another that would like me to leave. guess that is why I'll stay.
Why are you here in the first place? You claim it is to provide truth but you spend ample amounts of time simply attacking others on a personal level. Why?
Hilarious that you would accuse me of cutting people down - that is Vinny's mission in life
Blame shifting? We're talking about you here, pal. Did you or did you not attack Ajax and his girl personally? I can quote you if you'd like, but I don't think it's necessary as all one need to do is scroll up.
Now why? Is it to help these two sick druggies (as you see it) to take the first step and realize how sick in the head they both are? Feel you're getting much with vinegar so far? See. Problem is it doesn't work very well outside of a confined environment, now does it? People can switch the screen off, people can take a break. The same isn't true of the inside of a program where you not only have to listen, but accept and admit to the most humiliating of trumped up confessions (of course, you see this as breaking through DENIAL (didn't even notice I am lying)). What you don't realize, is that just like torture, people will say anything to make it stop... What you don't realize is that once that same stigma becomes a badge of pride, a war scar, that same humliating fiction becomes part of one's identity. It's only natural. It's the only way to be accepted in such an enviornment. You don't "identify", you adapt to the environment and become who you must be to survive. You learn to see yourself as somehow damaged, but the only one able to help others who you see that way. Only problem is that you learn to see all others that way (despite the facts or lack of due process). You see what you want to see. You can't accept the possibility that others can choose to live differently than you and that choice is valid, or that their lives are healthy. Accepting as such goes against the very core of the beliefs you adopted as your identity and view of the world around you.
You're either with the program, or you're sick? Program is the only salvation, right?
Am I right?
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take a valium or something LOL
vinny can take care of himself. and i didn't deny i give back what is so freely given . as for the rest of your post . . .i couldn't be bothered right now.
Need to get back to writing my memoirs tonight
catch up with you kind folks later
oh VINNY, that doesn't mean i'm quitting in a tantrum. it means i have better things to be doing right now and should get back to them
bye bye
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Looking forward, as always, to observing the antics of one of the Wiz's true believers. 'Bye for now.
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i didn't deny i give back what is so freely given
You see attacking others as giving back? As long as you see it as having a good ultimate goal of showing others your "truth", right? Sometimes you have to tell a harsh reality, right? (but how do you know the reality of somebody else's life?)
as for the rest of your post . . .i couldn't be bothered right now.
Well. Think about what I wrote. Maybe you'll see thigns differently. Maybe not. I'd appreciate your input either way.
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Now why? Is it to help these two sick druggies (as you see it) to take the first step and realize how sick in the head they both are? Feel you're getting much with vinegar so far? See. Problem is it doesn't work very well outside of a confined environment, now does it? People can switch the screen off, people can take a break. The same isn't true of the inside of a program where you not only have to listen, but accept and admit to the most humiliating of trumped up confessions (of course, you see this as breaking through DENIAL (didn't even notice I am lying)). What you don't realize, is that just like torture, people will say anything to make it stop... What you don't realize is that once that same stigma becomes a badge of pride, a war scar, that same humliating fiction becomes part of one's identity. It's only natural. It's the only way to be accepted in such an enviornment. You don't "identify", you adapt to the environment and become who you must be to survive. You learn to see yourself as somehow damaged, but the only one able to help others who you see that way. Only problem is that you learn to see all others that way (despite the facts or lack of due process). You see what you want to see. You can't accept the possibility that others can choose to live differently than you and that choice is valid, or that their lives are healthy. Accepting as such goes against the very core of the beliefs you adopted as your identity and view of the world around you.
You're either with the program, or you're sick? Program is the only salvation, right?
Am I right?
Let me put it this way - nope
While reading that i could almost see you twisting around in the weeds, there psy . . plus 'torture' is an incredible word to use for that but you and vinny et.al. seem to need to take it to that level..
let me ask you this question - why are their hundreds of people that have gone through there that don't report being tortured like poor vinny's patient does? Ms special, ya know?
and PS, i don't think i have ever said i came here to help 'druggies'
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Why do you use the colloquial "ya" instead of "you" when you post? Are you incapable of conveying your point simply with the content of what you're posting, and thus feel compelled to demonstrate emphasis by phonetically spelling your corruption of that particular pronoun?
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LOL
ooohhhh ouch . . that was just like the torture your poor 'spouse' experienced at AARC ouch vinny
don't be soo mean
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I assume that since you know what my wife did and didn't experience in All About Receiving Cash, that you were involved in the crimes. Unless of course you know nothing about it, and are simply here fulfilling a compulsion to please the Leader by attacking any who would question him.
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roflmao even more . . i just about spit my coffee out laughing at that one
Noticed you started another flattering thread about Vause again. hmmmm i am sure he is out enjoying his family while you are at it again. In fact maybe I'll give them a call and see what they are up to since i am in town this weekend.
i have got to tell him about the swift current bronco accusations . . . JUST too bloody funny
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Still curious as to how you know what my spouse did or didn't experience in All About Receiving Cash. As to the Wiz's claim to former sporting glory, by all means demonstrate something that proves me wrong.
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out enjoying his family
Especially its younger members.
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By family, do you mean all former prisoners and their associated sibs and parents?
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roflmao AGAIN
nope, his happy healthy family is not something that pedobear and vinny would comprehend.
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Let me put it this way - nope
While reading that i could almost see you twisting around in the weeds, there psy
I don't get the reference. Never heard that phrase before. Is it a canuck thing?
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This lady is in trouble. I hope the Wiz rolls out in the AARC van to pick her up and get her under the immediate supervision of a fourteen-year-old oldcomer and accompanying peer counsellor.
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This lady is in trouble. I hope the Wiz rolls out in the AARC van to pick her up and get her under the immediate supervision of a fourteen-year-old oldcomer and accompanying peer counsellor.
What are you on about now, vinny? you looking for another sick woman to run your life? seems you have your hands full right now!!
I found the articles your mother-in-law wrote about her daughter's history very interesting. Seem that her criminal behaviour was clearly happening before their family ever heard about AARC . But those facts are not important to you, I know. they might be important to all the people you are trying to turn against AARC.
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What has led you to presume that you know who my wife is? My understanding is that of the female portion of the sample from All About Receiving Cash's 2005 study, 38.5% had a history of trouble with the law.
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Ajax13 disclaimer:
Warning!! He is a confirmed liar. He has no experience with AARC and is stuck taking care of his wife who has major substance abuse issues. So he comes on fornits to vent his anger towards places which rehabilitate because he wishes his wife had taken her chance more seriously but seems more inclined to blame others for his situation.
If you review the study AARC has one of the highest success rates of the top 5 programs:
85% of the grads are clean and sober after 4 years and
93% are clean and sober after their first 12 months after graduating.
Study – http://fornits.com/smf/index.php?PHPSESSID=6qtomta92gkab729sc9sv6htk0&topic=25625.0 (http://http://fornits.com/smf/index.php?PHPSESSID=6qtomta92gkab729sc9sv6htk0&topic=25625.0)
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Those 5 programs, and their rates would be? The fact that AARC used information from clients whose length of time since graduation varied widely from a matter of months to five years complicates analysis of the data. This complicated situation is made even moreso by the fact that AARC included data from a number clients in the 15% of the sample group who did not actually take part in the study.
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Ajax13 disclaimer:
Warning!! He is a confirmed liar. He has no experience with AARC and is stuck taking care of his wife who has major substance abuse issues. So he comes on fornits to vent his anger towards places which rehabilitate because he wishes his wife had taken her chance more seriously but seems more inclined to blame others for his situation.
If you review the study AARC has one of the highest success rates of the top 5 programs:
85% of the grads are clean and sober after 4 years and
93% are clean and sober after their first 12 months after graduating.
Study – http://fornits.com/smf/index.php?PHPSESSID=6qtomta92gkab729sc9sv6htk0&topic=25625.0 (http://http://fornits.com/smf/index.php?PHPSESSID=6qtomta92gkab729sc9sv6htk0&topic=25625.0)
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It must be hard to come to grips with the fact that the Leader stole his program from Miller Newton, who stole Kids from Straight. Most of the former prisoners of AARC to whom I have spoken had no idea of the institutional connection of AARC and the Wiz to Kids.
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Ajax13 disclaimer:
Warning!! He is a confirmed liar. He has no experience with AARC and is stuck taking care of his wife who has major substance abuse issues. So he comes on fornits to vent his anger towards places which rehabilitate because he wishes his wife had taken her chance more seriously but seems more inclined to blame others for his situation.
If you review the study AARC has one of the highest success rates of the top 5 programs:
85% of the grads are clean and sober after 4 years and
93% are clean and sober after their first 12 months after graduating.
Study – http://fornits.com/smf/index.php?PHPSESSID=6qtomta92gkab729sc9sv6htk0&topic=25625.0 (http://http://fornits.com/smf/index.php?PHPSESSID=6qtomta92gkab729sc9sv6htk0&topic=25625.0)
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It must be hard to come to grips with the fact that the Leader stole his program from Miller Newton, who stole Kids from Straight. Most of the former prisoners of AARC to whom I have spoken had no idea of the institutional connection of AARC and the Wiz to Kids.
your tabloid style is sooooo consistent - hyperbole and mistruths, vinny. you might get some attention but ultimately any professional whether journalist or health will realize what they are dealing with. you do not do yourself any favours or you sick wife any favours whatsoever
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Now, if you really thought I was sick, and as a consquence spewing nonsense, why would you repeatedly attempt to deny what I'm saying? You haven't offered any information that disproves what I've said, either. If it's all made up, and my wife and I are just too lone sickos, why wouldn't you just ignore it? AARC's got plenty of favorable publicity in the media, what possible purpose could you be serving by repeatedly calling me and my wife sick? This forum is reasonably obscure, so you had to make an effort to find it, and then you had to make an effort to keep posting in spite of your earlier claims that you were never coming back again. So what's going on?
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Now, if you really thought I was sick, and as a consquence spewing nonsense, why would you repeatedly attempt to deny what I'm saying? You haven't offered any information that disproves what I've said, either. If it's all made up, and my wife and I are just too lone sickos, why wouldn't you just ignore it? AARC's got plenty of favorable publicity in the media, what possible purpose could you be serving by repeatedly calling me and my wife sick? This forum is reasonably obscure, so you had to make an effort to find it, and then you had to make an effort to keep posting in spite of your earlier claims that you were never coming back again. So what's going on?
Quite frankly this is about inserting some truth to the tabloids, vinny. Obviously, what you thiink and say comes directly out of a sick mind and I would never bother discussing/arguing about the evaluation literature or the AARC evaluation because you do not have the training nor knowledge to debate on the merits of the evaluation. Therefore that is a totally useless avenue. If you did have any valid points I would acknowledge them. What I have seen is your uneducated interpretation of Patton's design and then failing that attacking Vause for your not being able to uncover the truth about his playing for the Swift Current Broncos in 1971. 'I kinda got lost on the connection between those two' but you obviously feel there is some. Actually, I'll correct that the connection is your inept capabilities when discussing anything to do with Vause or AARC.
I do thing drawing attention top the illogical comments and mistruth is a good idea. If only to annoy you and her, which I obviously have done. However, as I have said you write elsewhere and coming to fornit illustrates that by reading AJAX a.k.a. VInny's posts. You are perfectly aware that fornits is NOT the only forum you spread your mistruths and slander or is it called defamation. yes, defamation of both Vause and AARC. So basically - i don't mind annoying you or her and also pointing out you illogical, untrained/uneducated, sick thinking. i don't need to remind you with bits of BS, once I or others pointed out the truth or you illogical thining you changed the subject and attacked something else or someone else. Just serves to demonstrate how riduclous you are.
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Now, if you really thought I was sick, and as a consquence spewing nonsense, why would you repeatedly attempt to deny what I'm saying? You haven't offered any information that disproves what I've said, either. If it's all made up, and my wife and I are just too lone sickos, why wouldn't you just ignore it? AARC's got plenty of favorable publicity in the media, what possible purpose could you be serving by repeatedly calling me and my wife sick? This forum is reasonably obscure, so you had to make an effort to find it, and then you had to make an effort to keep posting in spite of your earlier claims that you were never coming back again. So what's going on?
Quite frankly this is about inserting some truth and/or sense in the tabloids, vinny. Obviously, what you think and say comes directly out of a sick mind and I would never bother discussing/arguing about various things such as the evaluation literature or the AARC evaluation because you do not have the training nor knowledge to debate on the merits of the evaluation. Therefore, that is a totally useless avenue. If you did have any valid points I would acknowledge them. What I have seen is your uneducated interpretation of Patton's design and then failing that attacking Vause for your not being able to uncover the truth about his playing for the Swift Current Broncos in 1971. 'I kinda got lost on the connection between those two' but you obviously feel there is some. Actually, I'll correct that the connection is your inept capacity to truthfully 'share' anything to do with Vause or AARC.
I do think drawing attention top the illogical comments and mistruths is a good idea. If only to annoy you and her, which I obviously have done. However, as I have said you write elsewhere and coming to fornit illustrates that by reading AJAX a.k.a. VInny's posts. You are perfectly aware that fornits is NOT the only forum you spread your mistruths and slander or is it called defamation. yes, defamation of both Vause and AARC. So basically - i don't mind annoying you or her and also pointing out your illogical, untrained/uneducated, sick thinking. i don't need to remind you of the bits of BS I or others pointed out the truth or your illogical thinking about; only to see you change the subject and attack something else or someone else. Just serves to demonstrate how riduclous you are.
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You are perfectly aware that fornits is NOT the only forum you spread your mistruths and slander or is it called defamation. yes, defamation of both Vause and AARC.
Dont' let this shit scare you, Ajax. If they sue you, it'll hurt them far more.
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They aren't going to sue anyone. First, he hasn't said anything that isn't true so they CAN'T sue him. Second, they won't because then all their dirty laundry would be aired for all the world to see. They're not going to chance that.
Ajax, you keep on keeping on. You're dead on in your assessment of AARC and Vause. It's nothing more than a continuation of Straight and the Miller Newton philosophy of humiliation and thought reform disguised as some whacked out form of "therapy".
The AARColyte can't bear to hear anything negative about his guru or the cult because that would mean that everything he's built his identity on is complete bullshit. That's a devastating thing to admit and those unfortunates who are THAT washed will take a very long time to come out of it, if they ever do. Who is just an industry shill who will constantly and continually disrupt, derail and generally trash any thread he wanders into. Go read up on him in the Aspen forum. he's a sick piece of work.
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The AARColyte can't bear to hear anything negative about his guru or the cult because that would mean that everything he's built his identity on is complete bullshit. That's a devastating thing to admit and those unfortunates who are THAT washed will take a very long time to come out of it, if they ever do. Who is just an industry shill who will constantly and continually disrupt, derail and generally trash any thread he wanders into. Go read up on him in the Aspen forum. he's a sick piece of work.
You are correct, sir!!! (or madam, as the case may be...)
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They aren't going to sue anyone. First, he hasn't said anything that isn't true so they CAN'T sue him. Second, they won't because then all their dirty laundry would be aired for all the world to see. They're not going to chance that.
No. They can try and sue even if they have no case. It's called a slapp suit (strategic litigation against public participation). In other words, a frivolous bullshit suit for the sole reason of preventing people from speaking the truth or their opinions. If they think he doens't have the resources to defend himself... who knows.
As to whether or not they'll risk it, I'd say it depends mostly on the effect he is having on the program's operation. They might take the risk in the hope Ajax will simply back down rather than fight.
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No. They can try and sue even if they have no case. It's called a slapp suit (strategic litigation against public participation). In other words, a frivolous bullshit suit for the sole reason of preventing people from speaking the truth or their opinions. If they think he doens't have the resources to defend himself... who knows.
Im very familiar with the SLAPP suits, I just dono't think they're going to chance anything like that. I kinda wish they would (don't want to see Ajax hurt and I'd be happy to donate to his defense fund, but )it would blow up in their faces.
As to whether or not they'll risk it, I'd say it depends mostly on the effect he is having on the program's operation. They might take the risk in the hope Ajax will simply back down rather than fight.
The more people that show up here that are angry about Ajax's posts, the more we know it's getting to them. "Vinny's fav guest" is a prime example. If Ajax wasn't having any impact on Vause/AARC, they wouldn't worry about some kids postings on a message board. Obviously, Ajax has indeed hit a nerve. I find that amusing.
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I just dono't think they're going to chance anything like that.
Ya. I thought the same til I got sued. I thought the best solution was to take them to court, present evidence, do the discovery thing, and show truth... til I talked to an attorney who deals with this industry. After he explained to me the costs of going to court, he told me "how much justice can you afford?". While there are ways of dealing with the situation without going to court (at least in the states) such as anti-slapp legislation, it's still a hassle.
I'm not saying stop speaking out... I'm saying anything but that. All i'm saying is to prepare yourself for anything. Ya never know what a program will do when pressed against the wall.
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I'd suggest getting a different attorney then. If they sued Ajax, there are a number of attorneys (a few that I could put him in touch with) that would take it pro bono just for the free speech issue alone. If Ajax won, the other party would be liable for Ajax's court costs and attorney fees.
There's also the Whistle Blowers rights, although that may only apply to employer/employee, I'm not sure. There are ways to deal with it if it happens, but again. I don't think they'd take the chance on all their dirty laundry coming out.
My .02
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If they sued Ajax, there are a number of attorneys (a few that I could put him in touch with) that would take it pro bono just for the free speech issue alone
Well, I grant you that. But if a lawyer is going to take the issue on free speech alone, that's what's going to be addressed, and likely only that. It really depends on the state you're in, though, and i'm not that familiar with Canada law.
In California, if you get slapp sued you can file an anti slapp special motion to strike. It does a few things: it halts the ability of a plaintiff to amend their complaint (so they can't create a moving target by amending it each time you blow their complaint apart), it halts discovery (so the plaintiff can't sue you just to find out what you know and who you talk to), and if you win the motion, the case is dismissed with prejudice and the plaintiff has to pay your attorneys fees (HEE HEE AHHAHAHAHAHHAHHH...)... The downside is that you really don't want to raise a fact dispute in the anti-slapp motion because this will make the judge think there should be a trial (if somebody says something is true, it is accepted as such for the purpose of the slapp motion. The judge is forbidden from deciding what is true and false). Other defenses (such as opinion, priveledge, etc...) should be raised instead. So if the program, for example, says that you they heard you behaved "outragiously", bla bla bla... while you might want to dispute it, it's legally more beneficial to just say "heresay, opinion, irrelevant, etc..." and get their "evidence" deemed inadmissible (showing the judge that the plaintiff, based on their initial complaint and admissable evidence, have no chance of winning their case... one of the primary things on which an anti-slapp motion is supposed to be decided).
While it means you win the case without it going to trial, it also means that you don't get to hold the program over a fire until they spit out those documents you've wanted for so long. Of course, if going to court would be extremely expensive, would require you to relocate across the country, or otherwise would be unfeasible or extremely difficult, it's easier to just win the case off the bat, without having to go to court. Of course you still get to say "I was sued by the program for defamation and I won!".
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Well, I grant you that. But if a lawyer is going to take the issue on free speech alone, that's what's going to be addressed, and likely only that. It really depends on the state you're in, though, and i'm not that familiar with Canada law.
You're misunderstanding what I'm saying. They would be willing to take it because they feel so strongly about the issue of free speech. Not that free speech would be the only issue raised.
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The lawsuit would probably focus on the areas like calling board members clinically obese and stating it was due to addiction issues. Ajax would need to present how he came about this information and present a doctor as a witness on his behalf or diagnosis. Otherwise it would be slander. Making fun of boards family members. The issue where Ajax was writing on here that Vause had an unaccredited degree. This was also proven to be a lie. Ajax would also have to produce evidence (police reports) that his wife was raped inside AARC and at what point did they approach AARC with this information and how was it documented. I don’t think the judge is going to buy the story that she waited 10 years to say anything. Ajax would also need to explain why he is trying to damage AARC and deprive them of income. If it is shown that income was lost because of his slander he would be responsible for reimbursing AARC for their loss and damages.
Another area would be credibility. This will all be weighed against how AARC stands within the community and which ones have more credibility and contribute to society. ajax and his wife or AARC.
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You are perfectly aware that fornits is NOT the only forum you spread your mistruths and slander or is it called defamation. yes, defamation of both Vause and AARC.
Dont' let this shit scare you, Ajax. If they sue you, it'll hurt them far more.
don't get your hopes up, psy. AARC wouldn't waste the time or money on someone like ajax13. he is just an obsessed husband that is taking the word of an unrecovered addict displaying classic signs of being unrecovered! hard to tell which is sicker, her or him .
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The AARColyte can't bear to hear anything negative about his guru or the cult because that would mean that everything he's built his identity on is complete bullshit. That's a devastating thing to admit and those unfortunates who are THAT washed will take a very long time to come out of it, if they ever do. Who is just an industry shill who will constantly and continually disrupt, derail and generally trash any thread he wanders into. Go read up on him in the Aspen forum. he's a sick piece of work.
I think it is not the case of negative it is more the case of spreading lies but he will wear himself out and if he doesn't ,. . . al the better. it is not healthy
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The more people that show up here that are angry about Ajax's posts, the more we know it's getting to them. "Vinny's fav guest" is a prime example. If Ajax wasn't having any impact on Vause/AARC, they wouldn't worry about some kids postings on a message board. Obviously, Ajax has indeed hit a nerve. I find that amusing.
It is obvious that vinny's fav guest is hitting a nerve more than ajax is. he drew out the "special lady friend" to defend herself not just ajax. I find that more amusing!
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I just dono't think they're going to chance anything like that.
Ya. I thought the same til I got sued. I thought the best solution was to take them to court, present evidence, do the discovery thing, and show truth... til I talked to an attorney who deals with this industry. After he explained to me the costs of going to court, he told me "how much justice can you afford?". While there are ways of dealing with the situation without going to court (at least in the states) such as anti-slapp legislation, it's still a hassle.
I'm not saying stop speaking out... I'm saying anything but that. All i'm saying is to prepare yourself for anything. Ya never know what a program will do when pressed against the wall.
Personally, I would like to see AJax drop some dough 'to stick some money where his mouth is' because the things I have seen him write are clearly material for a defamation suit and that would cost him $$ I am sure he doesn't have. If he gets funded by like-minded people, they are just out their money too, which I would find even more amusing. AARC will just carry on doing what they do. They tend to stay focused and put up with what they realize is a given in the adolescent treatment industry - very sick treatment clients who leave and then decide they really got their feelings hurt too much and they need to claim abuse to get some attention and deflect blame for their own screw-ups. i.e "oh, I would not have done that if it wasn't for how . . . . AARC, ya AARC treated me" boohoohoo please don't get mad at me, get mad at . . AARC ya AARC and AJAX has taken that to a whole new level!! LOL
That certainly has come out in the last several months
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I'd suggest getting a different attorney then. If they sued Ajax, there are a number of attorneys (a few that I could put him in touch with) that would take it pro bono just for the free speech issue alone. If Ajax won, the other party would be liable for Ajax's court costs and attorney fees.
There's also the Whistle Blowers rights, although that may only apply to employer/employee, I'm not sure. There are ways to deal with it if it happens, but again. I don't think they'd take the chance on all their dirty laundry coming out.
My .02
Slander can cost up to $25, 000 if he loses heheheheh
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They aren't going to sue anyone. First, he hasn't said anything that isn't true so they CAN'T sue him. Second, they won't because then all their dirty laundry would be aired for all the world to see. They're not going to chance that.
Ajax, you keep on keeping on. You're dead on in your assessment of AARC and Vause. It's nothing more than a continuation of Straight and the Miller Newton philosophy of humiliation and thought reform disguised as some whacked out form of "therapy".
The AARColyte can't bear to hear anything negative about his guru or the cult because that would mean that everything he's built his identity on is complete bullshit. That's a devastating thing to admit and those unfortunates who are THAT washed will take a very long time to come out of it, if they ever do. Who is just an industry shill who will constantly and continually disrupt, derail and generally trash any thread he wanders into. Go read up on him in the Aspen forum. he's a sick piece of work.
'yeah, right on' is far from that. he is more like right off
AJAX13 has said lots that is untrue, which can easily be substantiated by AARC. the rape stuff won't fly and the list of things he keeps harping on as fact is so bloody easy to prove in a court of law to be untrue and slanderous. even the ridiculous thing about whether Vause played for Swift! He was a star goalie, lived in Swift Current and was quickly scooped up from there to other teams. Because AJAX doesn't know any better and only driven by the sick obsession of his wife, he is the one that is the 'sociopath' and the liar not Vause.
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Ajax would also have to produce evidence (police reports) that his wife was raped inside AARC and at what point did they approach AARC with this information and how was it documented.
Actually, at least in the united states, the onus is on the plaintiff to prove something false. In this case, AARC would have to prove the rape didn't happen, and I would watch yourselves there, AARC, as I have heard of rape from multiple people... willing to testify too.
Ajax would also need to explain why he is trying to damage AARC and deprive them of income. If it is shown that income was lost because of his slander he would be responsible for reimbursing AARC for their loss and damages.
And good luck proving that. What? are you going to say "we heard from a parent that they were not going to enroll their son in AARC because of Ajax's statements".
Objection, Heresay!
Sustained!
And you got shit.
Good luck figuring out another way to directly link ajax to a decrease in enrollment.
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You're misunderstanding what I'm saying. They would be willing to take it because they feel so strongly about the issue of free speech. Not that free speech would be the only issue raised.
But the lawyers might feel that's the best defense (and they might be right). Get another lawyer? Beggars can't be choosers.
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I'd suggest getting a different attorney then. If they sued Ajax, there are a number of attorneys (a few that I could put him in touch with) that would take it pro bono just for the free speech issue alone. If Ajax won, the other party would be liable for Ajax's court costs and attorney fees.
There's also the Whistle Blowers rights, although that may only apply to employer/employee, I'm not sure. There are ways to deal with it if it happens, but again. I don't think they'd take the chance on all their dirty laundry coming out.
My .02
Slander can cost up to $25, 000 if he loses heheheheh
Only if what he's saying can be proven a lie. It can't. Ajax, you're fine. Read up on Ray Bradbury and the Semblers.
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You're misunderstanding what I'm saying. They would be willing to take it because they feel so strongly about the issue of free speech. Not that free speech would be the only issue raised.
But the lawyers might feel that's the best defense (and they might be right). Get another lawyer? Beggars can't be choosers.
They might and they might not. Yes, beggars can be choosers sometimes. There's more than one atty out there interested in this stuff and I'd venture to say that it would be well worth anyone's while to seek out as many possibilities as they can.
Again, MY OPINION.
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I'd suggest getting a different attorney then. If they sued Ajax, there are a number of attorneys (a few that I could put him in touch with) that would take it pro bono just for the free speech issue alone. If Ajax won, the other party would be liable for Ajax's court costs and attorney fees.
There's also the Whistle Blowers rights, although that may only apply to employer/employee, I'm not sure. There are ways to deal with it if it happens, but again. I don't think they'd take the chance on all their dirty laundry coming out.
My .02
Slander can cost up to $25, 000 if he loses heheheheh
Only if what he's saying can be proven a lie. It can't. Ajax, you're fine. Read up on Ray Bradbury and the Semblers.
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Oh contraire LOL
lots easily proved a lie!!
what's happened to AJAX, he's run off with his tail between his legs and psy keeps trying to reassure him he is ok, like he is some lawyer because he has been sued. typical aarc-detractor - specialists in any field they have been a CLIENT- . . .LOL i.e. addiction treatment, justice system ::poke::
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Whatever you gotta tell yourself dude.
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Oh contraire LOL
lots easily proved a lie!!
Define and elaborate on "lots".
Rather than accuse Ajax of being a liar. Find specific statements of his that you feel to be factually innacurate. State why they are factually innacurate providing proof of falsity. The onus is on you to prove his statements false (this means with admissible evidence).
Then, let Ajax defend those accusations. Come on now. You make a statement, now back it up.
Then once you do that... provided you can actually find a false statement, you have to prove that that specific false statement, caused actual damage to AARC (again, with admissible evidence).
There is other stuff that you would have to prove, too, but I imagine you'd have enough trouble with the above two issues, of which any fail, so does your complaint.
Sure I'm not a lawyer and this is not legal advice. But for the hell of it, why not have a mock trial anyway. I'll represent Ajax and ... well you trolls can elect your own troll attorney. As for who makes the rulings... I dunno. We'll figure something out or let the public judge.
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Actually, at least in the united states, the onus is on the plaintiff to prove something false. In this case, AARC would have to prove the rape didn't happen, and I would watch yourselves there, AARC, as I have heard of rape from multiple people... willing to testify too.
Really bad advice, psy. So I could say I was raped by 5 random rich people and it would be up to them to hire professionals and spend money to prove me wrong otherwise I would win the cases? Dont think so. First of all AARC will initiate a counter suit for libel. The judge would ask when and where the rape occurred and ask you to produce the police report or at least the day it happened so that a copy of the report could be brought in for review. If this had never been reported then the judge would want to know why you decided to have your husband paste these facts all over the internet instead of reporting it to the authorities. One of the reasons people would not file a report is because it is not true and spreading lies on the internet under an alias is a way to slander someone. The judge would be curious as to why you used an “assumed name” (i.e. Ajax) to spread this information to the public without allowing AARC to defend itself or have a way to contact you for dialog.
If you were not just trying to libel AARC then why would you post slanderous information about peoples family members having medical problems or addiction issues (calling them clinically obese or mentally ill) without having any facts to this effect if you were not out to hurt AARC.
Does not sound like you were forthcoming or honest about your intent and since AARC decided to take the initiative to defend itself againt your hurtful posts you will need to produce some evidence that some harm occured and explain why you didnot approach them first.
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Really bad advice, psy. So I could say I was raped by 5 random rich people and it would be up to them to hire professionals and spend money to prove me wrong otherwise I would win the cases?
Pretty much. The onus is on the plaintiff to prove falsity (at least in the united states). I did some research and it appears canada is different on this matter.
Unlike the United States, where the impact of the First Amendment places the onus on the plaintiff to prove that what has been written is false, in Canada the onus is on the defendant to prove that the words complained of are substantially true. Similarly, Canadian common law does not afford any special recognition to “public figures”, other than in the context of meeting a “public interest” test for the defenses discussed below.
Source (http://http://www.blakes.com/DBIC/guide/Dispute/html/defamation.html)
That being said. Whether or not there is a police report is irrelevant to whether or not somebody was raped. Lots of rapes go unreported for a myriad of reasons. It doesn't mean they didn't happen. Are you trying to tell me that if there was a rape, AARC would let a student have contact with the police to file a police report? From what i've heard, from multiple sources, that's a bunch of crap. Given that i've heard of rapes from multiple former AARC inmates, I doubt AARC would want to open this particular can of worms. Even in Canadian law, truth is an absolute defense. I guarantee that if AARC sues for that statement, it'll be signing it's death warrant... so by all means go for it.
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why would you post slanderous information about peoples family members having medical problems or addiction issues (calling them clinically obese or mentally ill) without having any facts to this effect if you were not out to hurt...
Like You do to Ajax and his wife?
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why would you post slanderous information about peoples family members having medical problems or addiction issues (calling them clinically obese or mentally ill) without having any facts to this effect if you were not out to hurt...
Like You do to Ajax and his wife?
Careful
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why would you post slanderous information about peoples family members having medical problems or addiction issues (calling them clinically obese or mentally ill) without having any facts to this effect if you were not out to hurt...
Like You do to Ajax and his wife?
Careful
Careful what? Are you trying to threaten me? You think that works with me? LOL!!!! You guys are a riot. You think you can just go around intimidating people into silence. LOL. Well. It might work with a certain section of the populace, but I assure you, I am not one of them. Try me. I dare you.
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Really bad advice, psy. So I could say I was raped by 5 random rich people and it would be up to them to hire professionals and spend money to prove me wrong otherwise I would win the cases? Dont think so. First of all AARC will initiate a counter suit for libel. The judge would ask when and where the rape occurred and ask you to produce the police report or at least the day it happened so that a copy of the report could be brought in for review. If this had never been reported then the judge would want to know why you decided to have your husband paste these facts all over the internet instead of reporting it to the authorities. One of the reasons people would not file a report is because it is not true and spreading lies on the internet under an alias is a way to slander someone. The judge would be curious as to why you used an “assumed name” (i.e. Ajax) to spread this information to the public without allowing AARC to defend itself or have a way to contact you for dialog.
If you were not just trying to libel AARC then why would you post slanderous information about peoples family members having medical problems or addiction issues (calling them clinically obese or mentally ill) without having any facts to this effect if you were not out to hurt AARC.
Does not sound like you were forthcoming or honest about your intent and since AARC decided to take the initiative to defend itself againt your hurtful posts you will need to produce some evidence that some harm occured and explain why you didnot approach them first.
Troll tactics of Syd:
Become incredulous and indignant. Avoid discussing key issues and instead focus on
side issues which can be used show the topic as being critical of some otherwise
sacrosanct group or theme. This is also known as the "How dare you!" gambit.
Create rumor mongers. Avoid discussing issues by describing all charges, regardless of
venue or evidence, as mere rumors and wild accusations. Other derogatory terms
mutually exclusive of truth may work as well. This method which works especially well
with a silent press, because the only way the public can learn of the facts are through such
"arguable rumors". If you can associate the material with the Internet, use this fact to
certify it a "wild rumor" which can have no basis in fact.
An easy one for Syd:
Play Dumb. No matter what evidence or logical argument is offered, avoid discussing
issues with denial they have any credibility, make any sense, provide any proof, contain
or make a point, have logic, or support a conclusion. Mix well for maximum effect.
Example: "Nothing you say makes any sense. Your logic is idiotic. Your facts
nonexistent. Better go back to the drawing board and try again."
An odd kind of "artificial" emotionalism and an unusually thick skin -- an ability to
persevere and persist even in the face of overwhelming criticism and unacceptance. This
likely stems from intelligence community training that, no matter how condemning the
evidence, deny everything, and never become emotionally involved or reactive. The net
result for a disinfo artist is that emotions can seem artificial. Most people, if responding
in anger, for instance, will express their animosity throughout their presentation. But
disinfo types usually have trouble maintaining the "image" and are hot and cold with
respect to emotions they pretend to have and the more calm or normal communications
which are not emotional. It's just a job, and they often seem unable to "act their role in
type" as well in a communications medium as they might be able in a real face-to-face
conversation/confrontation. You might have outright rage and indignation one moment,
ho-hum the next, and more anger later -- an emotional yo-yo. With respect to being thickskinned, no amount of criticism will deter them from doing their job, and they will
generally continue their old disinfo patterns without any adjustments to criticisms of how
obvious it is that they play that game -- where a more rational individual who truly cares
what others think might seek to improve their communications style, substance, and so
forth.
Trolls pretend to know intimate details of their target's life - their jobs, addresses, etc. If they do learn the target's name, they will use it constantly in an attempt to intimidate a critic who is doing them harm. If a critic is presenting damaging information, the troll shifts his attack from the critics charges to the critic himself, and anything is fair game to the damage control troll - they will threaten the critic's family, threaten the administrators of the forum, go to any length to destroy the critic. A troll like Syd here is a bottom feeder, but he IS predictable and trolling by the numbers. Remember, he fears being exposed more than anything, which is why he hides and snipes. His interest is purely business, and he considers you, your family, and anyone who supports you to be expendable. The guy is a disease.
Rock on, Syd. Bluster all you want, but you're an impotent, amateurish troll.
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Oh contraire LOL
lots easily proved a lie!!
Define and elaborate on "lots".
Rather than accuse Ajax of being a liar. Find specific statements of his that you feel to be factually innacurate. State why they are factually innacurate providing proof of falsity. The onus is on you to prove his statements false (this means with admissible evidence).
Then, let Ajax defend those accusations. Come on now. You make a statement, now back it up.
Then once you do that... provided you can actually find a false statement, you have to prove that that specific false statement, caused actual damage to AARC (again, with admissible evidence).
There is other stuff that you would have to prove, too, but I imagine you'd have enough trouble with the above two issues, of which any fail, so does your complaint.
Sure I'm not a lawyer and this is not legal advice. But for the hell of it, why not have a mock trial anyway. I'll represent Ajax and ... well you trolls can elect your own troll attorney. As for who makes the rulings... I dunno. We'll figure something out or let the public judge.
Dear Psy . .still trying to play lawyer without a clue. and what is a populace? and who is SydneyL - I kind of like this new 'identity' writing in here to challenge these wankers!! it is fun and easy, isn't it
Anyway Psy there are some very easy and basic facts that can be shown by AARC and when it comes to slander that is the start So, for a short list cause This stuff is all in previous post:
1) AARC has SW, psycholgist and psychiatrist that work with the clinical team . AARC can easily substantiate that
2) Vause education, training and experience is all on paper and easily produced . I think if any Judge had his deissertaion in front of them he would be blown away. It is not a "paper" as some idiots have written here.
3) the credibility of the faculty that served as Vause dissertation committe is also all on paper and can be easily produced.
the funniest one trying to portray Vause as a liar - did he or did he not paly for the SW Broncos at one time in his hockey career - again easily confirmed
Now, about the alleged rapes / torture and child abuse - let them bring that on - they have no case and there are very credible people and documents that can be produced. They will have ONE HELL of a time. But seriously any moron could see that since A) the treatment population has never been compromised and destroyed as would be the case if "gang" rapes etc. were happening and B) the place is EXPANDING and more interest form the addiction medicine community is happening, there is NO way AARC would be doing as well as it is.
And Psy, if Ajax has gone to run for cover - all the better. They as in his wife and himself need to get their facts straight. AARC will continuee to do what they do best and concentrate on that. Elliot should really shut his cake hole because he could get himself in trouble if someone doe decide that potential clients or grads are negatively affected. They won't have to prove that , they just need to prove he spread slancer/lies etc
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If Ajax were telling the truth he would still be here. It speaks for itself. cant sue anyone for telling the truth, although, if they were lies then he better run and thats what we are seeing.
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If Ajax were telling the truth he would still be here. It speaks for itself. cant sue anyone for telling the truth, although, if they were lies then he better run and thats what we are seeing.
Exactly!! he sure is not writing as much as he did. There are too many reasonable voices turning up in the last month or so to challenge the slander. He would not have a hope if he had to face anyone. :moon:
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Yourt lies and Vinny's so called interviews with a whole 3 people who are likely as ill as you are does not compare to all the parents and kids I have talked to who have gone through AARC that are eternally grateful and remain that way.
There are a LOT more than 3 people. You wouldn't know that, or them though, because those people don't still attend AARC meetings/gala's/dinners/charity golf events/grad raps/parent raps/running host homes/working at AARC even though their kids are long gone, or any of the other apparently never ending commitments associated with being a part of the AARC program.
What kind of "sick" person would still be affiliated with a "treatment center for YOUTH" 3 - 4 years AFTER the youth left???
I love how anyone opposed to AARC or your/their ideals are considered "sick"!!! I don't imagine it's at ALL possible for a "healthy" person to have an objective opinion on the AARC program, it's practices or the background/experience/education of it's director and staff?
I guess the general population falls into 3 categories:
a) Ignorant and don't yet know of the marvelousness of the AARC program
b) Part of and/or supportive of the AARC program
c) Sick
I can't decide.... ::puke:: or :cry: or ;D
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Yourt lies and Vinny's so called interviews with a whole 3 people who are likely as ill as you are does not compare to all the parents and kids I have talked to who have gone through AARC that are eternally grateful and remain that way.
There are a LOT more than 3 people. You wouldn't know that, or them though, because those people don't still attend AARC meetings/gala's/dinners/charity golf events/grad raps/parent raps/running host homes/working at AARC even though their kids are long gone, or any of the other apparently never ending commitments associated with being a part of the AARC program.
What kind of "sick" person would still be affiliated with a "treatment center for YOUTH" 3 - 4 years AFTER the youth left???
I love how anyone opposed to AARC or your/their ideals are considered "sick"!!! I don't imagine it's at ALL possible for a "healthy" person to have an objective opinion on the AARC program, it's practices or the background/experience/education of it's director and staff?
I guess the general population falls into 3 categories:
a) Ignorant and don't yet know of the marvelousness of the AARC program
b) Part of and/or supportive of the AARC program
c) Sick
I can't decide.... ::puke:: or :cry: or ;D
Dear Tami/"a mom": uhm unlike you , some people have lasting friendships and a life built on community and they keep in contact with others where they work or play or whatever. How does that make them 'sick'? Oh yes, in your healthy mind it does! roflmao You, unfortunatley for your kid were so self-absorbed you refused to do what it took to support your kid so it was downloaded to someone else and now you write your BS just like GElliot on websites, bitching about what other parents unreservedly did for their kids because they actually love their kid more than their time. No mother who actually cares for their kid would abandom them cause things look a little too time consuming as you keep writing about when you complain about AARC. you also like to spread the same BS as GE and attack AARC grads who say they were helped at AARC. How interesting . . another happy person just helping others out . . . ??
There truly are some people who should have been neutered in Alberta and not the ones deemed 'mentally handicapped'. You sure should have been a candidate, your poor kid . . .
AND where in the dictionary do I find "marvelousness"? I can see why you didn't quite catch on to how treatment for addiction works and that your kid is sick and needed help. It is a double wammy with you - stupid and self-absorbed!
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AND where in the dictionary do I find "marvelousness"? I can see why you didn't quite catch on to how treatment for addiction works and that your kid is sick and needed help. It is a double wammy with you - stupid and self-absorbed!
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AND where in the dictionary do I find "marvelousness"? I can see why you didn't quite catch on to how treatment for addiction works and that your kid is sick and needed help. It is a double wammy with you - stupid and self-absorbed!
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Ok, i stand corrected !
not a word most intelllectual folks would use and Tami is not among them ::puke::
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It's not very often I'm ever in a position to have to defend my character. Those who know me, unlike you, know why.
I have to say your response was a laughable one, and didn't even address what I was saying at all. Maybe you should read it again and try to come up with a more relevant response.
Considering we don't know each other, you seem to have strong opinions of me. Since you don't know me, and only limited information about me or my life was provided to AARC, I can only accredit this to assumptions and gossip learned through AARC. Read a few of my other posts. Maybe you should talk to the people directly involved in a situation, or try to find out the facts instead of blindly attacking them based on the goal oriented opinions of others.
Let's take a look at what you wrote:
Dear Tami/"a mom": uhm unlike you , some people have lasting friendships and a life built on community and they keep in contact with others where they work or play or whatever.
So because you don't know of my lasting friendships, they don't exist? Or you were told I have no lasting friendships? Or do you mean friendships with only people from AARC or who are in support of AARC? Please be more specific. You don't know where I work or play so how could you know whether I keep in contact with individuals from those places?
I was referring to the unnatural affiliation many parents/grads maintain post treatment, such as the activities referred to in my last post. This affiliation becomes stronger than the bond with their OWN children to the point that contact and a relationship with these children will be severed should the client/child or sibling/child leave AARC or AARC ideals behind. In my opinion, that is, indeed... sick.
Parents of youth in a drug treatment center (aside from AARC and others LIKE AARC) do not go on to work there. They also don't abandon their former lives, activities, family, friendships for "new" program related friendships and "new" program ways to live their life, which you would call a life built of community. As independent adults most parents are capable of making life decisions without having to consult with their child's rehab center.
MY life was built from the moment I was born. This will never change, I am self-absorbed as I value freedom of thought and the freedom for me and my family to believe what we believe not what someone else tells us to believe, and to be powerful and have control over our own lives. My life was not built from the moment I entered AARC. Unlike some other people in AARC, I still have my own life. I didn't start a new life during AARC and continue with this new life after AARC. My friends were my friends before AARC, and they are still my friends now. I guess I have no friends from AARC because it doesn't work that way does it? Friendships started in AARC, were severed when I was forced to stop attending, those individuals were "not allowed to talk to me" because I was no longer in AARC. Those who did talk to me, did so in hushed tones and "off the record". Prime example of the lack of independent thought and decision making and fear that goes along with being an AARC participant.
How does that make them 'sick'? Oh yes, in your healthy mind it does!
How does my aspiration to live my own life and not one created for me by AARC make me "sick"?
I don't recall saying anything about lasting friendships, a life built on community and keeping in contact with others where you work or play as being "sick". How did you interpret that from what I said? My healthy mind sees nothing wrong with those things. However, I don't consider drug rehab "work", as in a career or employment or "play" as in a hobby or recreation. I especially don't consider drug rehab a "community".
Our purpose in attending AARC was to receive qualified help for the issues my son was dealing with at the time, not to join the ranks and add to the unification of the AARC, the AARC alumni or the AARC Society. A rehab center, in this case, initially described to me as a place to address root causes of my son's criminal activity, a place to receive mental health treatment, and a place to receive family therapy, is not and should never be considered "a community".
But we all know it is in the case of AARC, and thank you for affirming this.
roflmao You, unfortunatley for your kid were so self-absorbed you refused to do what it took to support your kid
Perhaps you don't have children? My family is my FAMILY. AARC is a place. We are a unit, always have been and always will be. I love my children (both of them, so no, I'm not going to kick the handicapped one out into the streets with NO way to look after himself, just because AARC expects it - maybe that's something you would do, and something other parents in AARC were willing to do, but not me)
I always have, always will and am currently doing whatever it takes to support my kids. My motivation comes from love, understanding and respect. And they know this.
so it was downloaded to someone else
Yes, since our rights were violated by AARC's "ever-changing-and-adaptable-to-suit-situation-if-it-helps-AARC- get-what-it-wants-follow-the-book-but-not-at-all-rules" my son was not only deprived of contact with his supportive family who loves him, he was also made to believe he had been abandoned, that he was worthless and his family didn't care if he lived or died, and that I wasn't even his legal parent anymore. He of course knows this is not true, because reality and his life history before and now after AARC just doesn't coincide with the facade that was repeatedly presented to him only during his time in AARC.
AND, my son had to have a host home SOMEWHERE to fulfill his duties, I mean treatment, didn't he?
Being a renter as opposed to a homeowner, my landlord was not keen on me putting bars on his property and locking up supposed drug addicted adolescents and adults against their will, in with other supposed drug addicted adolescents and adults. As a person with morals, personal integrity and the concern for other people's safety, not to mention my own legal liablity, I wasn't keen on this idea either. More so now, that I've heard accounts of rape, beatings, emotional abuse and sleep deprivation that has occurred in host homes. I am extremely glad that my household was not subjected to the ethical and legal accountability of such a potentially dangerous situation.
And my 17 year old's legal guardian it was a real cakewalk to not know of his whereabouts or well being for almost a whole year. But what do parental and childrens' rights have to do with this?
How is my son's oldcomer from that "Downloaded" family doing anyway, after being treated, graduated and released? The one responsible for supervising and mentoring my child without my knowledge or consent?
He's in jail isn't he? What a good role model! Yet another AARC success story/miracle!
Seriously though, I am grateful that my son was (according to him) well looked after in his host home, and the parents were very kind to him. In the forced absence of his own family he became fond of his host home parents. And I am grateful to them for taking care of my son. It is extremely generous of that family to commit yet ANOTHER year + of their lives to support the AARC cause. Again the unnatural affiliation, and people being manipulated into doing for AARC. I have talked to many parents who were resentful of the things expected of them at AARC, all the many things that were unrelated to "therapy" but completely applicable to the development of a "unified community".
I refused to be manipulated, and against outstanding odds I did in my heart what was right, and I am more convinced of that now than ever before.
Call it "sick" if you want. I will call it "strength".
I'm very happy to know that the 1 year in AARC could not destroy the 18 year relationship I have with my son. I am happy because that parent/child relationship has been destroyed in the same manner in more families than I would like to think about.
and now you write your BS just like GElliot on websites,
So he ISN'T the only one! I thought he was alone in his unjustified complaints about the AARC program? I guess there are others who were hurt by this place hey? Wow, think about it.
bitching about what other parents unreservedly did for their kids because they actually love their kid more than their time.
I honestly couldn't really care less what other people do, generally. Except for the fact that other people's participation has allowed programs like this to exist, for if they didn't my own family would have never gone through what we have gone through for the past year.
I also care about kids, and I care about siblings who are discarded when their parents choose one child over another because it was expected of them. People love their child AND their time AND their life. Parents showing their support for their kids by performing menial tasks around the center whenever someone snaps their fingers? That is supporting your kid? Painting and cleaning the center, providing housing and food for other children while paying for your own child to receive these things at the expense of yet another parent and vice versa? Giving your resources and spare time to AARC, when the kid is completely unaware of anything you've done because there is a total lack of communication? I'm afraid that is unreservedly (at least outwardly) doing for the PROGRAM, not their CHILD. Questioning these irrational things is not a sign of lack of support for a child. It is a normal and rational response to being taken advantage of!
That is not therapy, that is not support, that is succumbing to peer pressure and intimidation and allowing yourself to be controlled through fear, guilt and obligation.
I love my kids more than my time, I can't even compare that... my kids ARE my time. I've foregone sleep more often than not in my support of my kids. My once thriving business has been practically destroyed over my love and support of my kids.
But you have contradicted yourself, in the same way AARC contradicts themselves. In AARC parents are taught to disconnect emotionally from their children. To "work their own program". We were told our kids are monsters, and they are going to do horrible things, and we need to be prepared to handle it. We weren't even allowed to ask direct questions regarding our child's treatment, or their well being. No communication is allowed. How does the this comply with ANY model of family therapy? Of which the main component IS communication. I've consulted the experts, that isn't therapy.
Unlike countless AARC graduates my kids KNOW I love them, my kids don't now, and thank God never again, will have to live with the fear that if they don't comply with AARC rules, and follow the AARC lifestyle that their relationship with me will be severed and all support from me will be withdrawn. They do not and will NEVER have to live with fear and paranoia thinking that they may get "caught" associating with the wrong people, or if they don't do this thing or that thing expected of them it will cause significant problems in either their life or in their relationship with me or each other.
They know that my love is, always will be, and always has been unconditional!
No mother who actually cares for their kid would abandom them cause things look a little too time consuming as you keep writing about when you complain about AARC.
Do you honestly believe, with everything I've written that I don't actually "care about my kid"? I would also like to know where I keep writing about anything being too time consuming???
you also like to spread the same BS as GE and attack AARC grads who say they were helped at AARC.
I talk about my own experiences, my own beliefs, my own research, my own opinions and my own life. Where did I attack an AARC graduate who said they were helped by AARC?
How interesting . . another happy person just helping others out . . . ??
Do you mean me or GE? If you mean me... you're right! I am a happy person. I always have been a generally happy and optimistic person. I'm participating in a forum discussion, which is applicable to my life because of my experiences. If this helps others, great, if not, it still helps me.
There truly are some people who should have been neutered in Alberta and not the ones deemed 'mentally handicapped'. You sure should have been a candidate, your poor kid . . .
Really? You would prefer a province of "mentally handicapped" people?
I know of no people who have been "neutered" especially females.
Honestly ... Wow! What a passionate statement! I am truly interested in the level of contempt you hold for someone you don't even know. What impact do I or either of my kids have on your life personally? Seriously. Have you always been this way with people you don't even know? I feel sorry for you. This kind of attitude could only create difficulty in your life and relationships.
But, if you had your wish would "neuter" have taken place before I had ANY children, including the AARC graduate in my family? I wonder how this graduate would feel knowing you think it would have been preferable had he never been born at all? If he just failed to exist. Is his life that worthless now that he's maintaining his 18 year relationship with his own mother and brother? Is your organization that closed that you will discard one of your own so readily? Wow, you really did care about that kid hey? Or maybe your upset he's decided to live his own life and not become forever enslaved to the AARC program? Does it stink when they leave and you need to start training another one from scratch? Is that it?
Maybe I should have been "neutered" before having a mentally handicapped child, who holds high standards of excellence and responsibility for himself and the treatment of other people? I guess his principal and teachers would have never had the opportunity to give him honors with distinction and to claim time and time again that they are honoured to know him and that he is an asset to any school or organization in which he participates.
The world definitely needs LESS people like that! I am extremely proud of my two kids, and the fine people they are growing up to be. Seriously, considering you do not know me, or my family, get a grip!
AND where in the dictionary do I find "marvelousness"?
http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/marvelousness (http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/marvelousness)
I bet you have a hard time matching socks too hey?
I can see why you didn't quite catch on to how treatment for addiction works and that your kid is sick and needed help.
I actually have an extremely good grasp on how AARC's method of treatment works. I've had nothing but time for the last year figuring it out. Not knowing me, or knowing what I do and how resourceful I am, I guess you wouldn't know that though.
My kid, my family for that matter entered AARC with a misrepresented notion of what we would be receiving. Unlike most kids who are ambushed by their parents, destroying all levels of trust, MY kid knew he was going to AARC. AARC wanted me to trick him, make him think he was picking up a bike or something from the facility. I guess treatment is more effective that way. Having more than a shred of respect for my son and his right to have some decision over what happens to him in his life, I refused to trick or con him. He knew he had problems and wanted help for those problems. He is now receiving appropriate help for his issues, not issues he needed to fabricate to ever make it out of your program.
It is a double wammy with you - stupid and self-absorbed!
I don't blame you for thinking this way. It's what you've been taught. You don't know anything about me or my life to know any different. There is no point of reference to base an accurate assessment on.
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Tami Dearest. we read with interest your description of how put out you were with the time commitments and your derogatory attitude towards those parents who did what was necessary for their kids. Didn't your kid ask to stay but you weren't willing to. Had nothing to do with your other child I am sure, you make it very clear that AARC was too labout intensive and that you didn't want your child there even if he felt he was getting help that you are determined to say he wasn't getting.
Anyway, just to remind you. Take a good look at your response to Noah, how compassionate and kind a mother you must be.
This is from http://www.mcgilldaily.com/article/3174 ... need-help- (http://www.mcgilldaily.com/article/3174--does-my-teen-need-help-)
T. Brown wrote:
I am the mother of a young man currently in AARC. He's been in this facility since the summer of 2007 and has recently turned 18.
We were grossly deceived by this program, it's destroyed my family. With close to 400 families going through there, why was your 'family' the only one "grossly deceived"?T
he program claims a client's home is not safe to live in until further in treatment so the client stays with another family until the whole family has gone through therapy. The key issue with this concept is that to restore the family unit the family needs to talk to each other. This does NOT happen at AARC. "
you say you spent the last year studying about AARC - and without actually doing the program you think you understand it by "studying" it outside of the program. You are obviously a comedian - you think that sounds reasonable. You obviously do not know what is required to help a 'family unit' affected by addiction (what your kid was diasgnosed with if he was admitted to AARC). Explain to me how only one member in a family can be suffering and no one else is - the entire family is in treatment because the entire family needs help. Didn't your son's behaviour affect you and your other kid, or are you going to lie and say oh, not at all we are happy and optimistic and things are just grand - BS.
AARC claims you speak to your child, but it is a closely monitored exercise in which the client explains an experience of drug or alcohol use. The parents say "I love you" and that is all. I don't consider this conversation and I don't consider this therapy. This type of exercise would not restore the family unit. In addition to this, the "Talk" exercise is only allowed if the client has "earned the right".
hmm other parents seemed to get that each family member needs to focus on resolving their own stuff and as they all start doing this then they begin to resolve things between each. Other people get that, what is so hard for you to understand. You likely think there is nothing wrong with you, which certainly is not reflected in how you attack AARC and graduates like Noah.
My son has an autistic sibling. I was under the impression that my son and I would meet at the program twice a week for family therapy. This is not what happened. We were required to attend the program twice a week for a lecture by Dean Vause which didn't vary much from week to week. Even though the topics would change the content was the same. We are told our children are bad, they hurt us, they have an incurable disease and we need to detach from our children and work our own program to protect ourselves when our kids hurt us. Example after example of former client's "gone wrong" were given to us, those who took their own lives, took the lives of others, were in jail or for whatever reason no longer with the AARC program. The only former clients who seemed to be ok after graduation were those still directly connected to the program. THAT is your belief, does not make it true. Quite impossible there are WAY more past grads doing well than the number that are participating at AARC. However, is it ok if they have alumni events or is that to "sick"for you. They shouldn't ever get together again . .even if they found other similar things they had in common besides treatment?? would that be ok Tami? We are told some our kids will die in treatment, this is terrifying! They hold the parents hostage through fear, guilt and manipulation. If you really talked to some parents and read some accounts of what they were experiencing BEFORE ARRC, they were ALREADY living in that fear, are you going to say you were not afraid for your kids life before AARC,or was he just out past 10 pm curfew so there were no real worries. AND be honest, let's hear how he ended up in AARC, please describe the course of events. I would like to know They withhold information and gain your compliance bit by bit. Once you comply with anything they ask you are basically hooked. Do you have a thing about control?
While in AARC my younger autistic son was being counseled without my knowledge or consent, he was given a workbook to complete that was totally beyond his reading and comprehension level. This workbook has been evaluated by professionals and deemed to have no therapeutic value and could only be detrimental in the context of family therapy. In addition to this the leading questions only isolate the family members opposed to uniting them.
The program was highly bizarre in that as a parent you are required to provide increasingly more of your time and resources to the program. The time commitment is more than 2 days a week as originally stated. The program decides what a parent can afford to pay even though they claim they don't turn anyone away due to financial difficulties. And the program restricts what a parent can earn due to time constraints as well as not allowing anyone else to live in the household. Some people such as me rely on this help with the rent.
WOW and a time commitment of more than 2 days per week is too much for a kid you say you DO love? and you feel grossly misled and AARC wouldn't make sure that parents in your circumstance were supported - complete crap and you know it. AARC has paid the full price for some clients , tell us why they wouldn't insure that you could get the most help possiblewithout those concenrs.There have been lots of different situations in families that they have had to accommodate, I am sure because families are generally very disrupted if addiction is taking palce? DID YOU give them the complete truth, or is this the pot calling the kettle black?
Parents do not volunteer their homes as host homes. There is no choice or option here. Running a host home is a requirement of parents with the expense that goes along with it.
These "host homes" are unlicensed, if they were licensed they would violate city fire by-laws. The homes and the people in them do not undergo a child welfare check or a police record check.
Parents are told not to participate in the treatment clients receive in the host home; the newcomers are directly the oldcomer's responsibility. In your case this would be very helpful because you seem to be very resistant to there possibly being some problems with how yourfamily was doing prior to your kid being brought there bacuse he was in crisis. your concept of what is healthy is questionable
The "oldcomer" clients participate in "oldcomer training week" which prepares them for their job as an oldcomer in which they are directly responsible for "newcomer" clients. AND your problem with this is?
One week of training to look after the "worst of the worst" drug addicted kids who are, apparently, too destructive and disruptive to be treatable at any other facility. Now who is manipulating fact - one week, what about the 5-6 months recovery work prior to them becoming 'oldcomers' and likely AARC counsellors are on call at all times or are you going to try to tell us they are not
I have personally seen "oldcomers" falling asleep in their chairs at meetings due to sheer exhaustion. REALLY, did you ask them this
Once on level 3 (of 4) of the program the clients are attending the school at AARC, they are still oldcomers responsible for newcomers and they may (in the case of my son) work for another family in the AARC program. These clients are paid a very low wage compared to the labour market and they are required to open a joint bank account.
Even before my son was back in school it has been decided for him that he will travel to another country and study addictions. His only drug related charge was removed from his charges to accomplish this. And who told you that, please be honest.
I know my son lost his independent counsel and was appointed a new lawyer who is also on AARC's "legal committee". At that point I lost any say over what happened to my son who was still my dependant and still under the age of 18. Did he request to stay in AARC to a judge?
Any deviation from the program requirements will result in a termination from the program and complete alienation from your child. Or was your deviation total resistance and were you threatening the wellbeing of your kid and other kids by wanting others to adopt your idea of what neds to be done for a family - oops wasn't your family in treatment for a crisis and how could your level of thinking that was in that crisis be healthier than a treatment centre that is helping 100s of parents and kids? That is ususally the only reason people get terminated from a treatment program
Siblings who can not participate in the program are required to be removed from the household. If this can't be arranged the parents will be terminated from the program, deemed unwilling to co-operate with what is expected of them and they will lose contact with their child.
This child is then convinced they need to avoid contact with their family for their own sobriety. This is what happened in our case. Were you at all supportive of your kid's wish to get help. Why didn't you see about taking your kid somewhere else?
100% compliance is expected and if the parents for whatever reason can not comply they are considered sick, unhealthy and in denial. Program participants are told that the other parents not in attendance don't care if their child lives or dies, or else they would do what is required to be there. I know of several parents, including me who have been terminated from the program. was your deviation total resistance and were threatening the wellbeing of your kid and other kids. That is ususally the only reason people get terminated from a treatment program
Parents who place their children in this program have the option to remove them.
Children who are court ordered to this program without parental consent do not have this option. When a kid is under the order of a court it is because a parent has lost control of them long before this. So, what was it in your case?
According to the Gov't of Canada, private treatment facilities are a completely unregulated industry. It's a "Buyer Beware" industry. A parent in this situation can peition a court to send their kid to another treatment centre that is suitable, did you do thi?
This being the case and since there is no protection for youth as there would be had they been ordered to attend a regulated facility, it is my belief that the courts should not have jurisdiction to order youth to such facilities. There is no accountability. And when kids are not in control by their parents, who should take charge?
These youth in particular have no protection through Children's Services. The onus is on the parents to protect their children, and parents of these court ordered children are unable to protect them. The Child Advocate can not help them as they are not "child welfare" clients and the youth lose all rights. Why was YOUR child in that situation?
During my short time with the AARC program I witnessed and heard accounts of many serious abuses, including but not limited to: Rape, beatings in the host homes, clients being spit on, and clients cutting themselves in treatment and receiving no psychiatric or medical help. Sounds like right out of Greg Elliot and spouse's journal , Tami . . surprise, suprise I've witnessed clients being absent for several meetings, clients being "set back to step one" for frivolous reasons that have nothing to do with the 12 steps of AA. I've witnessed people's values being shredded and horrible public displays of humiliation. ALL your perceptions, heresay and you were there HOW LONG before you decided you knew better than people that have succesfully treating kids and families for 15 years? You state these things without complete knowledge of what the hell needs to happen through lack of understanding of addictions/treatment etc. et.c I really would like to know how you think you know more than people who have worked in this field for decades
This program has deceived the clients, the parents, the public, the media and the Province of Alberta. REALLY and how about all the supporters. Are you going to try to tell people here that there are not hundreds of supporters, people that have been thru AARc and not that come from all walks of life - professionals - media, health care people, legal system people etc. etc
From my own experiences with the AARC program, I agree with Greg and Tony's statements. You are paroting Greg, Tami !! LOL
I would like to mention that from reading this article it doesn't seem that the author is discrediting licensed and regulated facilities; it's the deceptive, unlicensed facilities that are of concern.
As a parent of special needs kids, I was completely blind to the fact that a facility such as this one would not have to be properly licensed and regulated by at least Alberta Health and Wellness or AADAC or even Alberta Mental Health.
Brainwashing vulnerable kids and their families (JUDGEs LAWYERS, CEO's of large corporations and DOCTORs etc.etc. that have gone through the complete program to graduation are brainwashed? tell me how that happened to them?) to join the ranks of these facilities and holding them hostage psychologically is simply unethical they need to be stopped. And what is your vocation or what is it about YOU, Tami that makes you think that you are above all these these people that they were more vulnerable and could be brainwashed.
Thank you for writing this article.
NOw, let's see how Tami responds to a young kid writing in:
May 12 at 04:02 PM
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Noah wrote:
I've been graduated from AARC for about 7 months now. I'm still sober and my life is better than ever, I was never once abused not have seen any abuse throughout my experience in AARC. Although marijuana and mushrooms were my drug of choice, (usually seen as not a problem by parents) I was high all day everyday, and selling both substances. I had dropped out of school, and my life was out of control. AARC was very hard to go through as it was the biggest change I've ever had to make. And I am forever grateful for it. 11 and a half months of hard work and repairing my life is definitely worth it in the long run. I'd rather much spend 11 and a half months straightening up my life and living a happy one at that, to an older age compared to living a life of despair and chaos for a shorter amount of time. If anyone has questions feel free to email me!
Jun 11 at 01:23 AM
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You can reach me at deux.ex.machina@hotmail.com.
Jun 11 at 01:24 AM
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T. Brown wrote:
So Noah,
You walked out the doors of AARC 7 months ago and never looked back?
Don't have to "give back"?
You AND your parents are no longer going to meetings at AARC?
Your family is no longer acting as a "host home" to other clients?
You're no longer attending holiday dinners at AARC?
You didn't leave "AARC" and join the "Alumni"?
You were never refused use of a telephone or access to your own family during any of your time at AARC?
You were at school 10 months of the year?
You were never physically restrained and could walk out the door anytime you wanted to?
The way you describe your "addiction" could easily describe many of the people I went to high school with who outgrew this behaviour and became responsible, contributing members of society. Wow, do you wonder why she was terminated from AARC
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The more you post these desperately defensive rants about AARC (which really aren't defenses....they're just attacks on this mother who dares to question the great and powerful oz), the more it convinces me that nothing has really changed since it was KIDS or Straight. This is exactly how Straight and Newton handled criticism. EXACTLY.
So much for compassion for what they believe are fellow "addicts" who just haven't accepted the "gift of awareness" yet. You people sicken me.
Some suggested reading for you.
http://www.ex-cult.org/General/totalism-group-dynamics (http://www.ex-cult.org/General/totalism-group-dynamics)
EMOTIONAL CONTROL - The control of the individuals emotional life
This manipulates a person's range of feelings. Guilt and fear are
used to keep control. Cult members cannot see the control by guilt and
like other abuse victims are conditioned to blame themselves when things
are wrong, even grateful when a leader points our their transgressions.
Fear is used to manipulate two ways. The first is to create an
outside enemy (we vs them) who is persecuting you. The second is the
fear of punishment by the leaders if you are not "good enough." Being
"good enough" is following the ideology perfectly. The most
powerful emotional control is phobia indoctrination. This can give
the person a panic reaction at the very thought of leaving the
group. It is almost impossible to conceive that there is any life
outside the group. There is no physical gun held to their heads but the
psychological gun is just as if not more powerful.
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I worked on my response to this for a while. My son told me it's a waste of time arguing with these idiots and they're just fishing for information.
It's true though, I have no need to defend myself any further. It's all just a waste of time, because those who know me and those who matter know the truth and the way things went down, exactly as I've described them. I've already explained everything they're asking in other posts anyway. So if you guys/girls want to continue wasting your own time attacking my character, feel free, but I'm sure you have better things to do.
I don't really blame them for being pissed, my son is a great kid! Would have been an awesome asset to their organization. Guess they'll have to find another "golden child" Back to step 1.
I do find it interesting though, that the AARC offense waited until my son was out of AARC and back home before attacking my character and integrity here in fornits?
All the backpedaling "AARC is SO accommodating" etc., is just proving how badly they lie and work on an element of deceit because ... it just didn't happen. IF they were accommodating, then they would have BEEN accommodating.
My kid has an excellent memory, he knows what was said to him and when. The AARC lies are piling up at an astonishing rate.
Love truly does conquer all!
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Does your kid lick your pussy now? :P
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Please disregard the last post. That person is obviously disturbed and belongs in a rubber room.
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I don't really blame them for being pissed, my son is a great kid! Would have been an awesome asset to their organization. Guess they'll have to find another "golden child" Back to step 1.
Oh please don't flatter yourself. Your kid is as hooped as you and is no apparent asset to AARC. Go bother some other treatment centre that lets you drop off and pick up later. Then you'll you be more easily able to rent your place with other renters and make as much $$ as you can and then can fuck up him up again once they come out.
I do find it interesting though, that the AARC offense waited until my son was out of AARC and back home before attacking my character and integrity here in fornits?
uhm, numnuts you were attacked once you arrived at Elliot's behest , you know after he turtled!!. . . too fucking stupid for words
All the backpedaling "AARC is SO accommodating" etc., is just proving how badly they lie and work on an element of deceit because ... it just didn't happen. IF they were accommodating, then they would have BEEN accommodating.
Backpetallng and HOW is that so? The fact is that they did accommodate your kid didn't they, inspite of your resistance to the HARD work involved.
My kid has an excellent memory, he knows what was said to him and when. The AARC lies are piling up at an astonishing rate.
YES, he took advantage of all the people trying to help him and took their stuff, graduated and thanked them all and then hmmmmmmmm once he gets around you again - he changes his mind, he is NOt addicted, they abused him and Vause/AARC are a fraud. I am sure everything he reported to you, you had a sick twist to screw him up with. Just wish he would stay away from the other kids who actually stayed well and didn't use the good graces of professionals and parents alike only to start up with the Elliot/Tami drivel.
Love truly does conquer all!
Yep, keep us posted. It will be the same old story you and he will start fighting again, he'll pull his same old shit and you'll come back here whining and blaming it on AARC because you and he co-signed the delusion that he really never had an addiction problem. you and your family do not deserve what the AARC people did for you. But that was about them having compassion so in the end they didn't lose by supporting your screwed up kid while you went to the bar.
Hey and what about your attack of NOAH? please explain, it would be great to hear!! Doing crack is the same as any kid in highschool, right You are SUCH a loving and healthy MOMMY ::puke::
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This moron is obviously Josh Penner. He is borderline retarded, and is likely trying to get hired back by AARC so he can intimidate children and try to impress their parents by his great "program"
Fortunately Josh speaks loudly for the kind of place AARC is, and I bet they cringe when they read his posts. Any parent would read his posts and think whether or not their child should be exposed to this kind of "recovery" . Nice job!
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Fortunately Josh speaks loudly for the kind of place AARC is, and I bet they cringe when they read his posts. Any parent would read his posts and think whether or not their child should be exposed to this kind of "recovery" . Nice job!
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THIS!
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Please disregard the last post. That person is obviously disturbed and belongs in a rubber room.
:D :D :D
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This moron is obviously Josh Penner. He is borderline retarded, and is likely trying to get hired back by AARC so he can intimidate children and try to impress their parents by his great "program"
Fortunately Josh speaks loudly for the kind of place AARC is, and I bet they cringe when they read his posts. Any parent would read his posts and think whether or not their child should be exposed to this kind of "recovery" . Nice job!
Nope, you the IDIOT, man!!! roflmao
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Hey and what about your attack of NOAH? please explain, it would be great to hear!! Doing crack is the same as any kid in highschool, right You are SUCH a loving and healthy MOMMY
Noah stated he did marijuana and mushrooms, not crack.
My "attack" was asking pointed questions, that were never answered by the way. There was nothing abusive about it.
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My "attack" was asking pointed questions, that were never answered by the way. There was nothing abusive about it.
REALLY how "laughable" Isn't that a matter of perception!!! roflmao
take a GOOD look at what that kid wrote and your response again - it sure shows why you might just be a hazard to your kid's wellbeing.
And why is it important whether Noah and/or his parents are engaged in ANY of those activities within your "pointed" questions?????
Because you have a strange idea that parents investing time in support and treatment of their kid in crisis is somehow WRONG?? :wall:
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My "attack" was asking pointed questions, that were never answered by the way. There was nothing abusive about it.
REALLY how "laughable" Isn't that a matter of perception!!! roflmao
take a GOOD look at what that kid wrote and your response again - it sure shows why you might just be a hazard to your kid's wellbeing.
And why is it important whether Noah and/or his parents are engaged in ANY of those activities within your "pointed" questions?????
Because you have a strange idea that parents investing time in support and treatment of their kid in crisis is somehow WRONG?? :wall:
So, you're still not going to answer the questions then, huh?
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So, you're still not going to answer the questions then, huh?
She didn't ask a question,she made a statement, einstein. roflmao
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The questions to Noah, or any other AARC graduate for that matter are below. Noah stated in the article that he would be happy to answer questions, so here they are, have at it:
You walked out the doors of AARC 7 months ago and never looked back?
Don't have to "give back"?
You AND your parents are no longer going to meetings at AARC?
Your family is no longer acting as a "host home" to other clients?
You're no longer attending holiday dinners at AARC?
You didn't leave "AARC" and join the "Alumni"?
You were never refused use of a telephone or access to your own family during any of your time at AARC?
You were at school 10 months of the year?
You were never physically restrained and could walk out the door anytime you wanted to?
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The questions to Noah, or any other AARC graduate for that matter are below. Noah stated in the article that he would be happy to answer questions, so here they are, have at it:
You walked out the doors of AARC 7 months ago and never looked back?
Don't have to "give back"?
You AND your parents are no longer going to meetings at AARC?
Your family is no longer acting as a "host home" to other clients?
You're no longer attending holiday dinners at AARC?
You didn't leave "AARC" and join the "Alumni"?
You were never refused use of a telephone or access to your own family during any of your time at AARC?
You were at school 10 months of the year?
You were never physically restrained and could walk out the door anytime you wanted to?
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oh mommy dearest,
her is the complete thread, just to contain the usual problem of you and your pals - puling things out of context:
" Noah wrote:
I've been graduated from AARC for about 7 months now. I'm still sober and my life is better than ever, I was never once abused not have seen any abuse throughout my experience in AARC. Although marijuana and mushrooms were my drug of choice, (usually seen as not a problem by parents) I was high all day everyday, and selling both substances. I had dropped out of school, and my life was out of control. AARC was very hard to go through as it was the biggest change I've ever had to make. And I am forever grateful for it. 11 and a half months of hard work and repairing my life is definitely worth it in the long run. I'd rather much spend 11 and a half months straightening up my life and living a happy one at that, to an older age compared to living a life of despair and chaos for a shorter amount of time. If anyone has questions feel free to email me!
Jun 11 at 01:23 AM
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You can reach me at deux.ex.machina@hotmail.com.
Jun 11 at 01:24 AM
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T. Brown wrote:
So Noah,
Sound like a nice beginning . . . of as challenge to a kid's happiness that his life has imporved , but what the heck you like your disposition
THen what you write to his report of - "I'm still sober and my life is better than ever, I was never once abused not have seen any abuse throughout my experience in AARC. " . . . ." I had dropped out of school, and my life was out of control. AARC was very hard to go through as it was the biggest change I've ever had to make. And I am forever grateful for it. 11 and a half months of hard work and repairing my life is definitely worth it in the long run. I'd rather much spend 11 and a half months straightening up my life and living a happy one at that, to an older age compared to living a life of despair and chaos for a shorter amount of time."
WHat do your questions have to do with the report he gives of what happened for him ???? He sounds pretty grateful, why the hell would he care whether he sees people he met where he spent a year working hard and people who he very likely grew to like and for whom he is grateful? So he goes for after care and companionship with people that he went through treatment with??? you think that would be a CHORE! and a sentence of some kind. you sound very much to be mocking him and challenging him on his obvious gratitude and cahnge for the POSITIVE ! how f'ing sick is that a woman that is a mother of a kid, likely the same age.
You walked out the doors of AARC 7 months ago and never looked back? and he should never look back becasue . . . . :wall:
Don't have to "give back"? do you think he might feel great about doing that, if that even JUSt involves his response on the McGeill Daily?? duh . . ::deadhorse::
You AND your parents are no longer going to meetings at AARC? JEez those poor parents having to invest so much time in their kids well-being, they could be out at the freaking bar boohoohoo
Your family is no longer acting as a "host home" to other clients? Also, uhm . . they might ENJoY providing support for other kids who need treatment, just like other parent did for them!
The rest just is more of the same - out of the mind of a very ill woman
You're no longer attending holiday dinners at AARC?
You didn't leave "AARC" and join the "Alumni"?
You were never refused use of a telephone or access to your own family during any of your time at AARC?
You were at school 10 months of the year?
You were never physically restrained and could walk out the door anytime you wanted to?
The way you describe your "addiction" could easily describe many of the people I went to high school with who outgrew this behaviour and became responsible, contributing members of society. "
that is the most telling statement of all - he admitted use at a level that far exceeds anything normal but you see that as ok - AGAIN I reiterate - you may be the biggest problem your kid faces
I strongly suggedt you get some help and maybe your kids will be safe
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I strongly suggedt you get some help and maybe your kids will be safe
Are you Noah? Then I strongly suggest you shut the fuck up about things you know nothing about.
:moon: ;D
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I would find it a lot easier to respond to some of these AARC supporter guest posts if they/he/she/it would learn to use the quote tags rather than use color tags and atrocious formatting that makes the post hard to read.
It's simple like this
[quote]this is in a quote tag. the one with the slash ends it[/quote]
this is not
[quote]when responding to a big post simply[/quote]
break it up
[quote]like this[/quote]
that translates to this:
this is in a quote tag. the one with the slash ends it
this is not
when responding to a big post simply
break it up
like this
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Don't have to "give back"? do you think he might feel great about doing that, if that even JUSt involves his response on the McGeill Daily?? duh . . ::deadhorse::
You AND your parents are no longer going to meetings at AARC? JEez those poor parents having to invest so much time in their kids well-being, they could be out at the freaking bar boohoohoo
Your family is no longer acting as a "host home" to other clients? Also, uhm . . they might ENJoY providing support for other kids who need treatment, just like other parent did for them!
It's not from Noah, but pretty much answers my questions and confirms the deceptive practices and misinformation AARC provides to parents at the onset of treatment.
The fact of the matter is that they mislead mislead parents. IF that's what it entails, why be dishonest about it?
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I strongly suggedt you get some help and maybe your kids will be safe
Are you Noah? Then I strongly suggest you shut the fuck up about things you know nothing about.
:moon: ;D
Nice try :wall:
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I would find it a lot easier to respond to some of these AARC supporter guest posts if they/he/she/it would learn to use the quote tags rather than use color tags and atrocious formatting that makes the post hard to read.
It's simple like this
[quote]this is in a quote tag. the one with the slash ends it[/quote]
this is not
[quote]when responding to a big post simply[/quote]
break it up
[quote]like this[/quote]
that translates to this:
this is in a quote tag. the one with the slash ends it
this is not
when responding to a big post simply
break it up
like this
oh well . . . acceptance is a challenge as well
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confirms the deceptive practices and misinformation AARC provides to parents at the onset of treatment.
oh-healthy-one ::deadhorse:: lol - you failed to show any deception in that little quote . . . but you are conceding that parents and kids are grateful and would want to give back through those practices. LOL What did AARC tell you - that you get to drop off and then pick up your kid ? oh ya two days /per week max - BS. And why didn't you tell them what you expected and what you knew would work before you would concede to go through? Why did you bring your kid there? why didn't you take your kid to AADAC? or somewhere else?
Also, parents who have gone through AARC before someone that they recommend the place to are not prevented from telling those same people they are recommending AARC to about what AARC treatment entails. It is not a BIG secret as you want to imply. I have recommended the place to people and have told them what I know and then recommended they go talk to different parents of kids that have been through there so they can tell them what the time commitments are and . . Lolo how many time/day kids will be put on the rack LOL, you know etc. etc. I don't know if they still pull people's finger nails out but I can ask and get back to you . . If you missed anything at the beginning then you found out later - uhm what is the BIG deal? Did you bring yourself and kid there to get help or to pick apart everything that YOU, in your infitely sick wisdom thought should or should not be so. Why are there so many families that go through, get healthy and their kids stay sober, go back to school , get on with a much healthier life etc.etc. Why, because they NEVER go away from AARC - BULLSHIT. AARC has been around too long now and there are too many that have come and gone that are still doing well. Plus there are many people from outside of Calgary and Alberta that have been through that go back to where they were living prior to AARC and do just fine.
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SERIOUSLY , you really need some help TB.
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You seem to need to play the victim while you have your husband throwing grenades at someone like Dean Vause and AARC.
by lol on 01 Dec 2001, 11:40
If your going to do something than do it but quit lobbing grenades that are complete duds without having the nuts to show your face."
http://fornits.com/wwf/viewtopic.php?f= ... a&start=15 (http://fornits.com/wwf/viewtopic.php?f=7&t=123&st=0&sk=t&sd=a&start=15)
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Its alright, he's only been graduated seven months. At seven months, even though I had run out onto the streets in an unfamiliar town and hid for 31 days.......if you had asked me if I was the victim of, or if I had witnessed any abuse, I probably would have said no. In fact it wasnt until some 14 years later that it even occurred to me that I had a right to do a google search on Straight, Inc......somewhere deep in my brain the whole confidentiality rule was steadily holding vigil without me even knowing it, and I assumed that no one would ever be speaking about the program....that was dangerous.
Until then it never occurred to me either that the broken bones or the bloody noses or the screaming and vomiting and disease and deprivation and verbal slayings were wrong. I mean, it was a DRUG REHAB......they didnt HURT people right? I ran away from my program not because I was being forced into slave labor, physically deteriorating from lack of sleep and proper nutrition, and developing a lovely case of severe anxiety disorder.....no, it was because I was just too weak, right? When I came home a month after my elopement, my mother and I didnt even speak of it, not once....not once for many many years. There was a subconcious gag placed on my psyche that no matter how much healing I encountered over the next decade, I was powerless to remove or even recognize.
This person Noah, unfortunately is not a reliable source for advocacy of AARC at this time.
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Holy crap do AARC supporters come off as crazy nut jobs.... ah well they have employed one person who had a record of sexual assaults.