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Treatment Abuse, Behavior Modification, Thought Reform => Straight, Inc. and Derivatives => Topic started by: ajax13 on August 01, 2008, 05:18:37 PM
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Amazing that the Wiz did five years of research for his 1994 PhD, since he was working at Kids in 1989-90, then doing basement faith healing sessions, and from 1992 he was busy running AARC. He has never been involved in clinical research, and has no license to be a mental health practitioner. Total fraud.
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Amazing that the Wiz did five years of research for his 1994 PhD, since he was working at Kids in 1989-90, then doing basement faith healing sessions, and from 1992 he was busy running AARC. He has never been involved in clinical research, and has no license to be a mental health practitioner. Total fraud.
A PhD is based on research. The fact that he was working with kids proves he was busy learning and working towards his thesis. He could have never defended his dissertation if he had worked in a vacuum like you suggest he should have. You were better when you were pointing out how over weight people were. Whats the matter with you?
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A PhD is based on research. The fact that he was working with kids proves he was busy learning and working towards his thesis.
You poor thing. You are way out of your arena, aren't you?
He could have never defended his dissertation if he had worked in a vacuum like you suggest he should have.
The vacuum of an impartial panel? No, you're right. He couldn't have.
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While at least 'Slap' and The Who and some others obviously understnad what is involved in education and training.
AS I keep saying and saying and saying!!! :o Ajax, the statments above out do anything so far in demonstrating how totally incompetent you are in understanding what Vause's training was and should be.
Just to give you a bit of a head's up buddy:
you haven't a clue what Vause did in the 80's and what he had to go through to implement AARC and complete all the requirements for his PhD in ADOLESCENT ADDICTION TREATMENT - you might start getting your facts straight cause you might just have to substantiate some things
oh and btw - have you learned how to use the telephone yet?
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Please, educate us then. All you've done so far is demonstrate that you are incapable of an independent, articulate, critical thought.
Please address the questions posted to you and refrain from trying to deflect attention away from the fact that you are the definition of blissfully ignorant.
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The Union Institute did not offer a PhD in Adolescent Addiction Treatment. The Wiz has a Union PhD in Interdisciplinary Studies. I don't consider eighteen months working in a criminal enterprise such as Kids to be research.
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once again, Vincent you demonstrate your lack of university knowledge. You don't even understand what interdisciplinary studies are at universities. Someone that complets a PhD in Psychology does not have in-depth knowledge of all areas of psychology . . or do you really think so. They may have completed a PhD in the area of psychometric measurement. This would not qualify them to treat adolescents for substance abuse. It would qualify them for constructing survey instruments and analysing them among other things related. Likewise someone that has a PhD in Law - it may be corporate Law no Criminal Law. When someone completes a PhD in Interdisciplinary studies they draw on a variety of disciplines to understand and become expert on their topic of interest. In Vause's' case his area of expertise is Adolescent addiction treatment, ya moron.
But lets go back to your assetions that Vause did not play for the Swift Current Broncos - that is so so so important. HE would just crack up laughing over that whole bit of BS. So now he didn't play junior hockey for swift current, humboldt and saskatoon . . . .
your life must be soooooo devoid of anything good that you sit around and find so many ways to discredit Vasue and now you need to stretch that far . . . . .. l olololololololololololololololo
Thank you god for the life i have and that you did not give me vincent's!! ::)
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The Union Institute did not offer a PhD in Adolescent Addiction Treatment. The Wiz has a Union PhD in Interdisciplinary Studies. I don't consider eighteen months working in a criminal enterprise such as Kids to be research.
Union Institute & University is an accredited, private, international university that has, since 1964, redefined higher education by placing learners at the center of their own education. Union has administrative headquarters in Cincinnati, Ohio, and currently enrolls approximately 1,750 learners from all 50 states and more than 20 countries worldwide.
http://www.aarc.ab.ca/ (http://http://www.aarc.ab.ca/)
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That settles it then. The Union Institute is accredited in Ohio, thus the Wizard did not spend eighteen months working at Miller Newton's torture facility. Thanks for finally clearing that up.
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That settles it then. The Union Institute is accredited in Ohio, thus the Wizard did not spend eighteen months working at Miller Newton's torture facility. Thanks for finally clearing that up.
Your welcome, ajax. sometimes it is difficult finding the information you need on some of these sites. Here is a link:
http://www.tui.edu/history/index.asp (http://http://www.tui.edu/history/index.asp)
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Since the thread concerned this statement that the Wiz did five years of research, I fail to see why you are mentioning that Union is accredited in this thread. You did not mention that the psychology degree from Union is not approved by the American Psychological Association. Nor does the the accreditation of Union have anything to do with the claim by the Wiz about his research period, which is not supported by the known facts.
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Since the thread concerned this statement that the Wiz did five years of research, I fail to see why you are mentioning that Union is accredited in this thread. You did not mention that the psychology degree from Union is not approved by the American Psychological Association. Nor does the the accreditation of Union have anything to do with the claim by the Wiz about his research period, which is not supported by the known facts.
But they won't let little things like facts get in their way. Don't you understand yet Ajax that Vause and AARC are infallible? I mean, really. How dare anyone question the Great and Powerful Wiz?
Pay no attention to the man behind the curtain!!
(http://http://farm1.static.flickr.com/231/512616207_64f34241f0.jpg)
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Since the thread concerned this statement that the Wiz did five years of research, I fail to see why you are mentioning that Union is accredited in this thread. You did not mention that the psychology degree from Union is not approved by the American Psychological Association. Nor does the the accreditation of Union have anything to do with the claim by the Wiz about his research period, which is not supported by the known facts.
Ajax13, Who cares? It doesn’t matter, the man felt like going back to school and received his PhD from an accredited University. Show us some requirements that spell out what is needed for the position he holds at AARC and then we can compare that to his actual credentials.
Does he need a masters, a Bachelors degree? PhD in physics, human resources, psychology, addiction, physiology, philosophy ? Which one? And how is that determined?
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Why don't you tell me what qualifications are required to provide medical treatment to people in the province of Alberta?
Do you not understand the issue invovled here, specifically that the Wiz is not qualified to provide such treatment?
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Why don't you tell me what qualifications are required to provide medical treatment to people in the province of Alberta?
Do you not understand the issue invovled here, specifically that the Wiz is not qualified to provide such treatment?
CLEARLY, you are the one who does not understand, Vinny. But you just can't understand that!
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Right, and those qualifications would be...?
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as is continually stated - and your qualifications on university grad school, addiction reasearch etc. that makes you an expert on qualifications. . . . . . . .
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Why don't you tell me what qualifications are required to provide medical treatment to people in the province of Alberta?
Do you not understand the issue invovled here, specifically that the Wiz is not qualified to provide such treatment?
If he has a proven model then I still don’t see why he needs a PhD. Doctors prescribe medications, Pharmacies fill them and they are dispensed to you by someone with little training who is getting $15 an hour. They have a process in place and therefore it is not necessary for the doctor to give you the medicine directly.
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You have skipped over the process, Who, wherein the doctor prescribes the medicine. All About Receiving Cash is providing the diagnosis, prescribing the treatment, and providing the treatment. The prescription of pills is treatment, the dispensing of said pills is not. Doctors are licensed, pharmacies are licensed. The Wiz is not licensed, and AARC is not licensed. I am unaware that the model is proven, and I am still unaware of when and where the Wiz conducted his five years of research, which was the point of this thread.
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You have skipped over the process, Who, wherein the doctor prescribes the medicine. All About Receiving Cash is providing the diagnosis, prescribing the treatment, and providing the treatment. The prescription of pills is treatment, the dispensing of said pills is not. Doctors are licensed, pharmacies are licensed. The Wiz is not licensed, and AARC is not licensed. I am unaware that the model is proven, and I am still unaware of when and where the Wiz conducted his five years of research, which was the point of this thread.
If he is personally prescribing medication then, yes, he needs a license. As far as his research goes, you would need to contact the school he received his degree from. I believe that is all covered under the school being accredited so that all those facts do not need to be investigated by every interested party.
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You have skipped over the process, Who, wherein the doctor prescribes the medicine. All About Receiving Cash is providing the diagnosis, prescribing the treatment, and providing the treatment. The prescription of pills is treatment, the dispensing of said pills is not. Doctors are licensed, pharmacies are licensed. The Wiz is not licensed, and AARC is not licensed. I am unaware that the model is proven, and I am still unaware of when and where the Wiz conducted his five years of research, which was the point of this thread.
That is surely the most confused bunch of garble you've puked up today . Get the knives away from Vinny and certainly keep him away from the Greyhound
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What you believe is not really pertinent. The fact that the school is accredited has nothing whatsoever to do with whether the education and degreed conferred meet the standard required to provide treatment to people. Since the PhD from Union does not meet the requirements of the American Psychological Association, nor the Alberta College of Psychologists, this would seem to indicate that the credentials posessed by the Wiz do not meet this standard.
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and the "pertinent" point is that this is Vinny's opinion, which we know is not worth much because it is just that - vinny's uneducated opinion as opposed to professionals in the area that support AARC. funny they aren't running around stipulating that Vause's education and experience does not suit Vinny so AARC needs to be shut down.
As i and several others keep pointing out and who obviously understand what is involved in conducting the PhD Vause did not to mention his hands on expericence before and while doing his PhD, Vauses is by virtue of the PhD he completed MORE than qualified to run an adolescent treatment centre.
Now skip to another thread and you will find Vinny saying that he is not judgin how credible a university is EXCEPT he keeps writing here about how UNION doesn't meet Vinny's qualifications! the great Vinny with all his knowledge and education . . that can't even go through the archives in Swift current properly LOL
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What you believe is not really pertinent. The fact that the school is accredited has nothing whatsoever to do with whether the education and degreed conferred meet the standard required to provide treatment to people. Since the PhD from Union does not meet the requirements of the American Psychological Association, nor the Alberta College of Psychologists, this would seem to indicate that the credentials posessed by the Wiz do not meet this standard.
Where does it state that they do not meet those requirements?
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Why don't you go and find out whether or not a PhD from Union meets the requirements of the American Psychological Association or the Alberta College of Psychologists? I've already done so. Then, if you find that I am wrong, by all means let the readers of this forum know that you confirmed that a Union PhD does in fact meet the requirements to be licensed as a psychologist either in the United States, or Alberta, Canada. I assume that, since you asked, you don't know.
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Why don't you go and find out whether or not a PhD from Union meets the requirements of the American Psychological Association or the Alberta College of Psychologists? I've already done so. Then, if you find that I am wrong, by all means let the readers of this forum know that you confirmed that a Union PhD does in fact meet the requirements to be licensed as a psychologist either in the United States, or Alberta, Canada. I assume that, since you asked, you don't know.
So we will take that as you dont know. So sticking with what we do know is that Union meets all the requirements neccessary to be an accredited University and has been around since 1964.
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You can take it however you want. When you can disprove my statement that a PhD from Union meets neither the requirements of the American Psychological Association, nor that of the College of Psychologists in Alberta, by all means let the readers here know. As to Union's existence since 1964, I am not quite clear on how that pertains to whether or not a PhD in psychology from the school meets the requirements of the aforementioned professional governing boards.
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You can take it however you want. When you can disprove my statement that a PhD from Union meets neither the requirements of the American Psychological Association, nor that of the College of Psychologists in Alberta, by all means let the readers here know. As to Union's existence since 1964, I am not quite clear on how that pertains to whether or not a PhD in psychology from the school meets the requirements of the aforementioned professional governing boards.
The requirements need to be defined first. What are the requirements needed for Vauses position at AARC? It hasnt even been determined if he needs a PhD for his position. AARC was running fine prior to him getting a PhD so it doesnt even seem to be a requirement.
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I have no idea what you mean by running fine. I have seen no evidence that the Wiz was qualified to provide medical treatment. The topic of this thread was the claim by the Wiz that he had done five years of research for his PdE, and the fact that, in the five year period prior to his obtaining a PhD from Union, he spent a year and half working in Miller Newton's torture facility, and then ran AARC for a couple of years.
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I have no idea what you mean by running fine. I have seen no evidence that the Wiz was qualified to provide medical treatment. The topic of this thread was the claim by the Wiz that he had done five years of research for his PdE, and the fact that, in the five year period prior to his obtaining a PhD from Union, he spent a year and half working in Miller Newton's torture facility, and then ran AARC for a couple of years.
The part that you do not understand is that many people are working at their professions while attaining their advanced degrees.
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There is no evidence that the Wiz performed five years of research prior to obtaining his PhD from Union. He did however, spend eighteen months at Kids and two years running AARC in the five years immediately prior to receiving his PhD.
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There is no evidence that the Wiz performed five years of research prior to obtaining his PhD from Union. He did however, spend eighteen months at Kids and two years running AARC in the five years immediately prior to receiving his PhD.
The evidence is his "Phd Degree"
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No evidence that the Wiz did five years of research prior to obtaining his PhD from Union. We do know that in the five years preceding his receiving the paper from Union the Wiz spent a year and a half in the criminal organization Kids, and then ran AARC for two years.
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vinny, just because you can't chew gum and walk at the same time doesn't mean Vause can't work and do his research to complete his PhD. in fact many people do that and you can't understand that because:
1. you have never completed graduate level work at any university
2. you are no where as close to competent and successful in anything other that spewing BS as he is at what he does
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It's true. The Wiz has been more successful at running a cult than I have been at anything I have ever tried.
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i think there is a little girl out ther that feels he saved that just for her cause she is so "special" LOL
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Is this coming to you in some kind of supernatural vision?
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uhm . . you have used that line already
and vinny, since i have to fill in a name everytime i post something here, i was enjoying going with the them . .but i think i settled with vinny's fav guest now . . . . :)
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I still want to know what the sources are for your visions, or feelings or whatever it is that you were talking about in regard to the little girl. Are you really psychic?
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hey vin, you tell me your credentials that make you an expert on evaluation research, adolescent addiction and university education at the graduate level and i'll tell you how i tune into my psychic source :o
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No evidence that the Wiz did five years of research prior to obtaining his PhD from Union. We do know that in the five years preceding his receiving the paper from Union the Wiz spent a year and a half in the criminal organization Kids, and then ran AARC for two years.
Based on your logic then no research has ever been done by anyone or that anyone has ever attended school. If you look at your diploma (if you have it handy) or the ones on the wall in your doctors office you will see that there is no mention of number of years of research or days in the class room. Does this invalidate the diploma? What I believe you are trying to do is understand upper level degrees by comparing higher education to what you experienced in your learning experience and expect all the learning to take place in a structured environment like a class room and that each person needs to be there every day. This isnt how it works for the higher level degrees, ajax. The majority if not all the work is done off site and in a working environment or doing research...... working with kids and AARC would be an ideal environment to work towards his doctorate especially if this is going to be his future work.
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Working at Kids is an ideal environment for research if your future work involves running a cult that rips off parents, charitible donors and government health agencies. You are dead on there, Who. Only one of his many supernatural abilities, time-travel allowed the Wiz to open All About Receiving Cash, and then, two years later, go back to before he opened AARC to research his future work. Praise be unto the Wiz!
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Working at Kids is an ideal environment for research if your future work involves running a cult that rips off parents, charitible donors and government health agencies. You are dead on there, Who. Only one of his many supernatural abilities, time-travel allowed the Wiz to open All About Receiving Cash, and then, two years later, go back to before he opened AARC to research his future work. Praise be unto the Wiz!
yes and oh "praise be unto" vinny but WHAT the heck are you trying to say there??? you just haven't any idea do you . . LOL oh I mean do ya!
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Ajax13 disclaimer:
Warning!! He is a confirmed liar. He has no experience with AARC and is stuck taking care of his wife who has major substance abuse issues. So he comes on fornits to vent his anger towards places which rehabilitate because he wishes his wife had taken her chance more seriously but seems more inclined to blame others for his situation.
If you review the study AARC has one of the highest success rates of the top 5 programs:
85% of the grads are clean and sober after 4 years and
93% are clean and sober after their first 12 months after graduating.
Study – http://fornits.com/smf/index.php?PHPSESSID=6qtomta92gkab729sc9sv6htk0&topic=25625.0 (http://http://fornits.com/smf/index.php?PHPSESSID=6qtomta92gkab729sc9sv6htk0&topic=25625.0)
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The top five Straight off-shoots? Still waiting for one of you AARColytes to offer up some information that is in contradiciton to that which I have pointed out. Since all of you decline to register, and change your posting names over and over, I have no idea if my Special Lady Friend or I have ever met you. If we haven't, as always I remain astonished and in awe of the telekinetic powers imbued by the Wiz unto his followers. Your uncanny ability to know what goes on between my wife and me, and your awareness of any aspect of her life is truly a miracle. Praise be unto the Wiz! It is right to give him thanks and money!
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Ajax13 disclaimer:
Warning!! He is a confirmed liar. He has no experience with AARC and is stuck taking care of his wife who has major substance abuse issues. So he comes on fornits to vent his anger towards places which rehabilitate because he wishes his wife had taken her chance more seriously but seems more inclined to blame others for his situation.
If you review the study AARC has one of the highest success rates of the top 5 programs:
85% of the grads are clean and sober after 4 years and
93% are clean and sober after their first 12 months after graduating.
Study – http://fornits.com/smf/index.php?PHPSESSID=6qtomta92gkab729sc9sv6htk0&topic=25625.0 (http://http://fornits.com/smf/index.php?PHPSESSID=6qtomta92gkab729sc9sv6htk0&topic=25625.0)
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Still waiting for that information that discredits what I've said about All About Receiving Cash.
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Ajax13 disclaimer:
Warning!! He is a confirmed liar. He has no experience with AARC and is stuck taking care of his wife who has major substance abuse issues. So he comes on fornits to vent his anger towards places which rehabilitate because he wishes his wife had taken her chance more seriously but seems more inclined to blame others for his situation.
If you review the study AARC has one of the highest success rates of the top 5 programs:
85% of the grads are clean and sober after 4 years and
93% are clean and sober after their first 12 months after graduating.
Study – http://fornits.com/smf/index.php?PHPSESSID=6qtomta92gkab729sc9sv6htk0&topic=25625.0 (http://http://fornits.com/smf/index.php?PHPSESSID=6qtomta92gkab729sc9sv6htk0&topic=25625.0)
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Ajax13 disclaimer:
Warning!! He is a confirmed liar. He has no experience with AARC and is stuck taking care of his wife who has major substance abuse issues. So he comes on fornits to vent his anger towards places which rehabilitate because he wishes his wife had taken her chance more seriously but seems more inclined to blame others for his situation.
If you review the study AARC has one of the highest success rates of the top 5 programs:
85% of the grads are clean and sober after 4 years and
93% are clean and sober after their first 12 months after graduating.
Study – http://fornits.com/smf/index.php?PHPSESSID=6qtomta92gkab729sc9sv6htk0&topic=25625.0 (http://http://fornits.com/smf/index.php?PHPSESSID=6qtomta92gkab729sc9sv6htk0&topic=25625.0)
Just stop. Really, you're making an ass out of yourself. Ajax has presented valid questions that have never been answered.
None of this has to do with Ajax. It's about Vause and his false claims and bogus "studies" that are nothing more than his yesmen nodding their heads in approval.
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Ajax13 disclaimer:
Warning!! He is a confirmed liar. He has no experience with AARC and is stuck taking care of his wife who has major substance abuse issues. So he comes on fornits to vent his anger towards places which rehabilitate because he wishes his wife had taken her chance more seriously but seems more inclined to blame others for his situation.
If you review the study AARC has one of the highest success rates of the top 5 programs:
85% of the grads are clean and sober after 4 years and
93% are clean and sober after their first 12 months after graduating.
Study – http://fornits.com/smf/index.php?PHPSESSID=6qtomta92gkab729sc9sv6htk0&topic=25625.0 (http://http://fornits.com/smf/index.php?PHPSESSID=6qtomta92gkab729sc9sv6htk0&topic=25625.0)
Just stop. Really, you're making an ass out of yourself. Ajax has presented valid questions that have never been answered.
None of this has to do with Ajax. It's about Vause and his false claims and bogus "studies" that are nothing more than his yesmen nodding their heads in approval.
No he has not!! He has lied about shit, people and events without backing up any statements. He lies to make his wife feel good and it is not right. Makes up facts to suit his wifes imagination. Claims people don’t have degrees. When people answer his questions he ignores the answers.
It will continue until he begins to get honest.
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Getting honest is for you AARColytes. Still waiting for one of you to point out evidence that contradicts what I've pointed out. I know you were all upset to find out that of the 2005 study client sample, 15% did not take part, and after 2 years three months on average from graduation, 52% of the sample population had resumed alcohol or other drug use. We're all a little surprised.
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Ajax13 disclaimer:
Warning!! He is a confirmed liar. He has no experience with AARC and is stuck taking care of his wife who has major substance abuse issues. So he comes on fornits to vent his anger towards places which rehabilitate because he wishes his wife had taken her chance more seriously but seems more inclined to blame others for his situation.
If you review the study AARC has one of the highest success rates of the top 5 programs:
85% of the grads are clean and sober after 4 years and
93% are clean and sober after their first 12 months after graduating.
Study – http://fornits.com/smf/index.php?PHPSESSID=6qtomta92gkab729sc9sv6htk0&topic=25625.0 (http://http://fornits.com/smf/index.php?PHPSESSID=6qtomta92gkab729sc9sv6htk0&topic=25625.0)
Just stop. Really, you're making an ass out of yourself. Ajax has presented valid questions that have never been answered.
None of this has to do with Ajax. It's about Vause and his false claims and bogus "studies" that are nothing more than his yesmen nodding their heads in approval.
He has a point. I have engaged him myself and observed him with others, Ajax is given answers to his questions but refuses to acknowledge them. Doesn’t engage in a conversation, ignores other people and just continues to repost the same stuff. So I can see why this is getting reposted, no different then what Ajax is doing.
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Right. So no AARColyte has anything to say that contradicts what I have said. The 52% rate of relapse amongst the former prisoners from the 2005 AARC study remains unchallenged. No explanation as to why the sample group included information on former prisoners who did not in fact take part in the study.
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Ajax13 disclaimer:
Warning!! He is a confirmed liar. He has no experience with AARC and is stuck taking care of his wife who has major substance abuse issues. So he comes on fornits to vent his anger towards places which rehabilitate because he wishes his wife had taken her chance more seriously but seems more inclined to blame others for his situation.
If you review the study AARC has one of the highest success rates of the top 5 programs:
85% of the grads are clean and sober after 4 years and
93% are clean and sober after their first 12 months after graduating.
Study – http://fornits.com/smf/index.php?PHPSESSID=6qtomta92gkab729sc9sv6htk0&topic=25625.0 (http://http://fornits.com/smf/index.php?PHPSESSID=6qtomta92gkab729sc9sv6htk0&topic=25625.0)
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Still waiting to see what those 5 programs are, and whether or not they have a relapse rate that is less than 52% after 2 years three months. Still waiting to see evidence that is in contradiction to that which I have presented. You've had years, Joshy, to come up with something.
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Ajax13 disclaimer:
Warning!! He is a confirmed liar. He has no experience with AARC and is stuck taking care of his wife who has major substance abuse issues. So he comes on fornits to vent his anger towards places which rehabilitate because he wishes his wife had taken her chance more seriously but seems more inclined to blame others for his situation.
If you review the study AARC has one of the highest success rates of the top 5 programs:
85% of the grads are clean and sober after 4 years and
93% are clean and sober after their first 12 months after graduating.
Study – http://fornits.com/smf/index.php?PHPSESSID=6qtomta92gkab729sc9sv6htk0&topic=25625.0 (http://http://fornits.com/smf/index.php?PHPSESSID=6qtomta92gkab729sc9sv6htk0&topic=25625.0)
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Joshy, it must have been shocking to find out that the Leader had been working at Kids only two years before opening All About Receiving Cash. I still don't know how he based AARC on a PdE paper that he hadn't even written when he opened AARC either. It's all too weird.
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Ajax13 disclaimer:
Warning!! He is a confirmed liar. He has no experience with AARC and is stuck taking care of his wife who has major substance abuse issues. So he comes on fornits to vent his anger towards places which rehabilitate because he wishes his wife had taken her chance more seriously but seems more inclined to blame others for his situation.
If you review the study AARC has one of the highest success rates of the top 5 programs:
85% of the grads are clean and sober after 4 years and
93% are clean and sober after their first 12 months after graduating.
Study – http://fornits.com/smf/index.php?PHPSESSID=6qtomta92gkab729sc9sv6htk0&topic=25625.0 (http://http://fornits.com/smf/index.php?PHPSESSID=6qtomta92gkab729sc9sv6htk0&topic=25625.0)
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So as yet, no explanation as to when this research for the Wiz's PdE paper took place, or where, other than the fact that he was at Kids for a year and a half and then running AARC for a couple of years before he acquired his Union PhD.
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Ajax13 disclaimer:
Warning!! He is a confirmed liar. He has no experience with AARC and is stuck taking care of his wife who has major substance abuse issues. So he comes on fornits to vent his anger towards places which rehabilitate because he wishes his wife had taken her chance more seriously but seems more inclined to blame others for his situation.
If you review the study AARC has one of the highest success rates of the top 5 programs:
85% of the grads are clean and sober after 4 years and
93% are clean and sober after their first 12 months after graduating.
Study – http://fornits.com/smf/index.php?PHPSESSID=6qtomta92gkab729sc9sv6htk0&topic=25625.0 (http://http://fornits.com/smf/index.php?PHPSESSID=6qtomta92gkab729sc9sv6htk0&topic=25625.0)
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Nothing so far to show the Wiz's clinical research, other than his year and half in Kids and the two years he ran AARC before writing his PdE, on which he then based AARC which had already been open for two years?
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Ajax13 disclaimer:
Warning!! He is a confirmed liar. He has no experience with AARC and is stuck taking care of his wife who has major substance abuse issues. So he comes on fornits to vent his anger towards places which rehabilitate because he wishes his wife had taken her chance more seriously but seems more inclined to blame others for his situation.
If you review the study AARC has one of the highest success rates of the top 5 programs:
85% of the grads are clean and sober after 4 years and
93% are clean and sober after their first 12 months after graduating.
Study – http://fornits.com/smf/index.php?PHPSESSID=6qtomta92gkab729sc9sv6htk0&topic=25625.0 (http://http://fornits.com/smf/index.php?PHPSESSID=6qtomta92gkab729sc9sv6htk0&topic=25625.0)
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Still waiting to see where this rearch on which to base AARC was conducted, other than Kids and in AARC itself.
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Ajax13 disclaimer:
Warning!! He is a confirmed liar. He has no experience with AARC and is stuck taking care of his wife who has major substance abuse issues. So he comes on fornits to vent his anger towards places which rehabilitate because he wishes his wife had taken her chance more seriously but seems more inclined to blame others for his situation.
If you review the study AARC has one of the highest success rates of the top 5 programs:
85% of the grads are clean and sober after 4 years and
93% are clean and sober after their first 12 months after graduating.
Study – http://fornits.com/smf/index.php?PHPSESSID=6qtomta92gkab729sc9sv6htk0&topic=25625.0 (http://http://fornits.com/smf/index.php?PHPSESSID=6qtomta92gkab729sc9sv6htk0&topic=25625.0)
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52% of the sample group from AARC's 2005 study relapsed. The study is flawed in that 15% of the sample group did not take part in the study. Information provided by other sources was included with regard to many of the individuals in this 15%. A great disparity in lengths of time since graduation amongst the individuals in the sample group is also makes the study highly problematic.
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Ajax13 disclaimer:
Warning!! Ajax13 is a confirmed liar. He has no experience with AARC and is stuck taking care of his wife who has major substance abuse issues. Just like Ajax asked why a board member of AARC was morbidly obese I would like to ask why you cannot heal your wife? Why would a woman chose prostitution for several months over an offer to complete her program? If someone truly cared for another person why would they encourage them to spend hours on the internet dumping anger that belongs to her?
Grady
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Ajax13 wrote:
The study is flawed in that 15% of the sample group did not take part in the study.
Can you explain why you stated the study is flawed since 15% did not participate?
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In spite of the fact that 15% of the sample population did not take part in the study, information obtained from third parties with regard to a substantial number of these non-particpant clients was used in compiling the study. Additionally, no mention is made in the study as to the increasing margin of error correlating to the decreased size of the sample population. This increasing margin of error is substantially greater in the sub-groups used to observe frequency of drug and alcohol use subsequent to graduation. The sample population is broken down into four groups, whose size is small enough that the technique for statistical analysis is changed from that used in analyzing larger groups. No mention of the probability variances in these smaller groups is made in the study.
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In all fairness to ajax, I believe he is asking these questions about how many years this man spent researching for his doctorate, because this has been Ajax’s exposure. For example if say a person was on a job interview and they asked about high school and the interviewee stated he did not graduate then the interviewer would ask more detailed questions like: Did you take Algebra II, History , how many years did you attend etc.. But if the person graduated then that’s all the information they would need to know.
The same with a doctorate. You will notice degrees on the wall of your doctors office. There is no information pertaining to number of years spent doing research or which classes he took, just the date of graduation and field of study and, of course, the school that awarded the doctorate degree.
People typically ask questions which are asked of them and I think this is why ajax is asking for this information. But the rest of us know once you attain your diploma/doctorate the degree speaks for itself. I am sure someone besides myself will fill him in also.
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from "thewho...."
But if the person graduated then that’s all the information they would need to know.
The same with a doctorate.
...the rest of us know once you attain your diploma/doctorate the degree speaks for itself.
And just exactly WHERE that degree came from speaks a great deal about itself as well!
A degree from... say... Case Western Reserve, or the University of Toronto, for example, would convey certain expectations as to a minimal level of academic exploration and demonstrated acumen in the respective subject matter.
A degree from Podunk Correspondence College, with a reputation for conferring degrees on anyone and everyone, might elicit other -- perhaps less attractive -- expectations!
:D
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Apparently no one can answer those questions. Better to focus attention on the questioner. The issue of the Union school did seem to have some bearing on Phil Elberg's handling of the Corter case against Kids. Anyone not familiar with that lawsuit involving All About Receiving Cash's parent program, Kids, might be well served to read about this case. Mr. Elberg, by the way, won a multi-million dollar judgement against Kids Director and the Wiz's mentor, Miller Newton. Mr. Newton had two degrees from Union.
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from "thewho...."
But if the person graduated then that’s all the information they would need to know.
The same with a doctorate.
...the rest of us know once you attain your diploma/doctorate the degree speaks for itself.
And just exactly WHERE that degree came from speaks a great deal about itself as well!
A degree from... say... Case Western Reserve, or the University of Toronto, for example, would convey certain expectations as to a minimal level of academic exploration and demonstrated acumen in the respective subject matter.
A degree from Podunk Correspondence College, with a reputation for conferring degrees on anyone and everyone, might elicit other -- perhaps less attractive -- expectations!
:D
Exactly. So what we do know is Vause recieved a doctorate from an accredited University. The school is better than unaccredited schools and not as good some of the top Ivy League schools.
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Was it accredited at the time of his, ahem..."attendance"?
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Was it accredited at the time of his, ahem..."attendance"?
Dont know, I am not sure when he attended. They were accredited and authorized in 1997, then applied for and received reauthorization due to reorganization in 2001 and are up for review again in 2009. so if he recieved his degree rior to 1997 then someone would have to check with the school. The school was established in 1964.
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Yanno, nowadays online schools are relatively common and actually decent. When Vause and Newton, ahem..."attended" (that cracks me up) things weren't the way they are now. Union was fairly universally known to be a diploma mill. Point being, Vause tries to pass himself off as something he's not. In fact, he tries to pass himself off as MANY things that he is not. Pretty common behavior for guru-status addicts.
;D
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Yanno, nowadays online schools are relatively common and actually decent. When Vause and Newton, ahem..."attended" (that cracks me up) things weren't the way they are now. Union was fairly universally known to be a diploma mill. Point being, Vause tries to pass himself off as something he's not. In fact, he tries to pass himself off as MANY things that he is not. Pretty common behavior for guru-status addicts.
;D
“Attended” is kind of a joke when it comes to Doctorates degrees. You walk around any university and you would be hard pressed to find any PhD candidate. They pretty much don’t attend school. They live 24/7 in a hospital if they are going after a medical or living in the rain forest if they are researching Biology etc. So attendance doesn’t apply at this level.
But if he received his degree prior to ’97 then, yes, it was unaccredited but I would give the graduates a pass if it was ’96 because it takes years to get things in place for accreditation and they were probably pretty much there and going thru review in ’96.
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Union was fairly universally known to be a diploma mill. Point being, Vause tries to pass himself off as something he's not. In fact, he tries to pass himself off as MANY things that he is not. Pretty common behavior for guru-status addicts.
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Union was fairly universally known to be a diploma mill. Point being, Vause tries to pass himself off as something he's not. In fact, he tries to pass himself off as MANY things that he is not. Pretty common behavior for guru-status addicts.
First, people should start getting the word out that is is not a paper mill and hasnt been since at least 1997. His degrees are solid from what I can see. Secondly, If he is trying to pass himself off as something he is not then people should say something. Our society is very strict and with the use of the internet/information background checks are done every day, very easily, so people cannot get away with impersonations very easily.
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Solid. You seem to like that term. It doesn't really entail anything specific, thus it works great for a description of either an AARC study, or a mail-order PhD.
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Union was fairly universally known to be a diploma mill. Point being, Vause tries to pass himself off as something he's not. In fact, he tries to pass himself off as MANY things that he is not. Pretty common behavior for guru-status addicts.
First, people should start getting the word out that is is not a paper mill and hasnt been since at least 1997. His degrees are solid from what I can see. Secondly, If he is trying to pass himself off as something he is not then people should say something. Our society is very strict and with the use of the internet/information background checks are done every day, very easily, so people cannot get away with impersonations very easily.
Oh my little naive one. Miller Newton (Vause's mentor and inspiration for AARC) passed himself off for years as many things he had no business claiming. As a matter of fact, right now he's technically a "priest" and legally he's correct. Like Vause, he found some obscure sect (or, *cough* "university") that would ordain him, paid enough money, stroked enough egos and Waa Laa. He's a "priest"......still counseling kids (thank you GW and your faith-based bullshit). After EVERY SINGLE ONE of his programs was closed because of abuse. Now,..... the thousands of kids he's abused over the years would object to that, most especially the ones who were awarded multiple millions in judgements against Newton for the abuses he and his program inflicted on them. Hell, almost anyone can hang out a shingle as some type of 'counselor' anymore. Especially kids because they have no due process and generally have no rights.
Yes, anyone can get a title. The key factor is to look beyond and behind it. If you look at Vause's history, he virtually walked in Newton's path. AARC is virtually a carbon copy of KIDS and Straight. What is boils down to is qualified care for what's being advertised. Vause/AARC claim to be a "treatment center", claim the credentials that he does, then they can and should be held up to scrutiny. If anyone can show me how the methodology and philosophy of AARC is demonstrably or pertinently differs from KIDS and Striaght, I'd sure like to see it. Cuz everything I've seen and read, mostly from AARC's own literature or correspondence, is pretty much an exact repeat of the Newtonian origin.
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Like Vause, he found some obscure sect (or, *cough* "university")
This is why many people dont believe what is written here. You dont fully understand what a sect or cult is, you even feel schools and Universities are sects and cults. If you ever have a chance to attend a University you will see that they are just the opposite. They teach people how to think independently and work to have people think more "out of the box" creatively.
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Like Vause, he found some obscure sect (or, *cough* "university")
This is why many people dont believe what is written here. You dont fully understand what a sect or cult is, you even feel schools and Universities are sects and cults. If you ever have a chance to attend a University you will see that they are just the opposite. They teach people how to think independently and work to have people think more "out of the box" creatively.
This may help Anne Bonney. The word has lost much of its meaning. Seems everything is branded a cult now a days if people dont like it ot have a beef with the owner or staff member.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cult (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cult)
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Studies of religious, political, and other cults have identified a number of key steps in this type of coercive persuasion:[25]
"1 People are put in physically or emotionally distressing situations;"
Intake, Raps, Zero Club, Recovery Homes
"2 Their problems are reduced to one simple explanation, which is repeatedly emphasized;"
Addiction
"3 They receive unconditional love, acceptance, and attention from a charismatic leader;"
The Wiz
"4 They get a new identity based on the group;"
"Colin A 'AARC has saved my life and shown me how to live.' "
"Lindsey E ' I now work at AARC and my life is amazing.”
"Richelle H ' “AARC has given me a new way of life I never dreamed of."
http://www.aarc.ab.ca/successes.html (http://www.aarc.ab.ca/successes.html)
"5 They are subject to entrapment (isolation from friends, relatives, and the mainstream culture) and their access to information is severely controlled"
All of Level 1
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From: Encyclopedia of Sociology Volume 1, Macmillan Publishing Company, New York. Quoted portion by Richard J. Ofshe, Ph.D.
http://www.rickross.com/reference/brain ... hing8.html (http://www.rickross.com/reference/brainwashing/brainwashing8.html)
Coercive Persuasion and Attitude Change[/size]
Coercive persuasion and thought reform are alternate names for programs of social influence capable of producing substantial behavior and attitude change through the use of coercive tactics, persuasion, and/or interpersonal and group-based influence manipulations (Schein 1961; Lifton 1961). Such programs have also been labeled "brainwashing" (Hunter 1951), a term more often used in the media than in scientific literature. However identified, these programs are distinguishable from other elaborate attempts to influence behavior and attitudes, to socialize, and to accomplish social control. Their distinguishing features are their totalistic qualities (Lifton 1961), the types of influence procedures they employ, and the organization of these procedures into three distinctive subphases of the overall process (Schein 1961; Ofshe and Singer 1986). The key factors that distinguish coercive persuasion from other training and socialization schemes are:
1. The reliance on intense interpersonal and psychological attack to destabilize an individual's sense of self to promote compliance
2. The use of an organized peer group
3. Applying interpersonal pressure to promote conformity
4. The manipulation of the totality of the person's social environment to stabilize behavior once modified
Johnathan MargaretC might do well to read further in the link provided above...
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Or read "Cults in Our Midst" by Margaret Thaler Singer.
@Margaret: I don't think Anne Bonnie was referring to universities as cults. I think she was, rather, implying something about the legitimacy of Miller's credentials and any university that would accept him (or somebody like him) into, or grant him any position or degree of authority.
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Our society is very strict and with the use of the internet/information background checks are done every day, very easily, so people cannot get away with impersonations very easily.
Implying his employer (who would do the backround checking) gives a shit, of course. What about misrepresentations to the public? I'm not sure about Canada, but in the United states, just any member of the public can't run a background check on any other member of the public (even internet services require you have the person's social security number and that you be an employer).