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Treatment Abuse, Behavior Modification, Thought Reform => The Troubled Teen Industry => Topic started by: ZenAgent on July 27, 2008, 11:31:51 PM
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What About the Parents?
In this worst-case scenario, parents would lose the options now provided from the parent-choice network, and in reality, would have almost no options in the matter of residential placement when needed for their own child. In this scenario, responsibility would be taken from parents and turned back to "professionals".
Lon describes this as a "worst-case scenario"? Taking responsibility out of the hands of parents who want to "warehouse" their kids and Ed Cons motivated by profit like Sue Scheff (and Lon) sounds like a good start. I guess the parents could still hire an industry-stooge "independent professional" to accommodate their wishes.
I'm familiar with one parent who angrily told an evaluation team at a hospital he didn't care if their diagnosis didn't show the need for residential treatment, he wanted an RTC and he was going to place his kid in one regardless of professional opinion because his family had the money to make it happen.
And he got his wish, despite a diagnosis stating there was no need for an RTC. Within 1200 miles and two hours by air, his kid had gone from not requiring residential treatment following a twenty day evaluation to absolutely requiring it upon arrival at an RTC before any tests had been done. Within a day, the RTC team had cooked up the usual ODD/Borderline Personality Traits and set up a year's worth of treatment for cash payments. Easy money, and the RTC never bothered to look at the records from any previous treatment.
What About the Parents?
In general, the more options parents have to choose from, the better choices they are likely to make. This is part of what in this country we call freedom, that is, as some have stated in other issues, "Freedom is choice!"
What about the kids' right to freedom and choice? A little due process, an outsider to evaluate the parental choices being made about their lives? Woodbury believes the ability to pay gains "more options". There are many stories of parents "using" the industry for their own selfish needs, to protect themselves from criminal charges of abuse, etc., and plenty of Ed Cons profiting from offering options and enabling parents to make "choices" that benefit the parent to the detriment of the child.
"What about the parents?" is a good question. Woodbury's answer is illogical, profit motivated, typical industry spin.
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ZenAgent is a moderator at fornits which means he can see your IP address. He doesn't like program survivors and threatens them using the information he gets through his moderator powers and by lying to people. He posted the names of a program survivor and her husband. When asked why, he says he posted it because TheWho asked him for it, adding that he could have included more of her information, including arrest record.
What kind of person pays to look up an arrest record of a program survivor on a program survivor message board, and threatens to release it publicly? ZenAgent is nothing but bad news, if you ask me.
Again, notice the blanks...I could have added last name, address, phone number, arrest record... I left all that blank, too.
Once again: who asked for it, I gave it. Weasel!
This is what ZenAgent says about a program survivor who spent 4 years in programs, who posts on a program survivor board talking about their experience.
PMS girll is a vile, pitiless beast, but if she's confronted for gross bitchery, she whines about being a program survivor. I've never known the goblin girl to do anything more than spew negativity and take cheap shots.
No wonder so few survivors post here anymore, with moderators like this guy.
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No one's buying troll shit.
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ZenAgent is nothing but bad news, if you ask me.
No one did.
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ZenAgent is a moderator at fornits which means he can see your IP address. He doesn't like program survivors and threatens them using the information he gets through his moderator powers and by lying to people. He posted the names of a program survivor and her husband. When asked why, he says he posted it because TheWho asked him for it, adding that he could have included more of her information, including arrest record.
What kind of person pays to look up an arrest record of a program survivor on a program survivor message board, and threatens to release it publicly? ZenAgent is nothing but bad news, if you ask me.
Again, notice the blanks...I could have added last name, address, phone number, arrest record... I left all that blank, too.
Once again: who asked for it, I gave it. Weasel!
This is what ZenAgent says about a program survivor who spent 4 years in programs, who posts on a program survivor board talking about their experience.
PMS girll is a vile, pitiless beast, but if she's confronted for gross bitchery, she whines about being a program survivor. I've never known the goblin girl to do anything more than spew negativity and take cheap shots.
No wonder so few survivors post here anymore, with moderators like this guy.
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I saw zen post it but really its getting old cant we move on to another subject. I agree he shouldnt be a moderator because of that though..
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I saw zen post it but really its getting old cant we move on to another subject. I agree he shouldnt be a moderator because of that though..
I SMELL YOU, TROLL.
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I saw zen post it but really its getting old cant we move on to another subject. I agree he shouldnt be a moderator because of that though..
I SMELL YOU, TROLL.
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Calling someone a troll on fornits, how original. ::) Get a life losers.
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Calling someone a troll on fornits, how original. ::) Get a life losers.
Trolling Fornits, how original.
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What About the Parents?
In this worst-case scenario, parents would lose the options now provided from the parent-choice network, and in reality, would have almost no options in the matter of residential placement when needed for their own child. In this scenario, responsibility would be taken from parents and turned back to "professionals".
Lon describes this as a "worst-case scenario"? Taking responsibility out of the hands of parents who want to "warehouse" their kids and Ed Cons motivated by profit like Sue Scheff (and Lon) sounds like a good start. I guess the parents could still hire an industry-stooge "independent professional" to accommodate their wishes.
I'm familiar with one parent who angrily told an evaluation team at a hospital he didn't care if their diagnosis didn't show the need for residential treatment, he wanted an RTC and he was going to place his kid in one regardless of professional opinion because his family had the money to make it happen.
And he got his wish, despite a diagnosis stating there was no need for an RTC. Within 1200 miles and two hours by air, his kid had gone from not requiring residential treatment following a twenty day evaluation to absolutely requiring it upon arrival at an RTC before any tests had been done. Within a day, the RTC team had cooked up the usual ODD/Borderline Personality Traits and set up a year's worth of treatment for cash payments. Easy money, and the RTC never bothered to look at the records from any previous treatment.
What About the Parents?
In general, the more options parents have to choose from, the better choices they are likely to make. This is part of what in this country we call freedom, that is, as some have stated in other issues, "Freedom is choice!"
What about the kids' right to freedom and choice? A little due process, an outsider to evaluate the parental choices being made about their lives? Woodbury believes the ability to pay gains "more options". There are many stories of parents "using" the industry for their own selfish needs, to protect themselves from criminal charges of abuse, etc., and plenty of Ed Cons profiting from offering options and enabling parents to make "choices" that benefit the parent to the detriment of the child.
"What about the parents?" is a good question. Woodbury's answer is illogical, profit motivated, typical industry spin.
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Trolling Fornits, how original.
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Kevin,
You again prove that you remain in the anal stage of psychosocial development, wanting to shit on others in your toddler-like temper tantrums. I admit the first paragraph was all I read; it was enough almost to make me vomit.
Take a good look in the mirror. You are the mirror image of infantile pro-program fanatics. And just like them, you think you're clever.
Well, keep up the mental masturbation. Your violent fantasies and flippant attacks on others clearly get you off in one sense or another. In fact even I sometimes look forward to opening up your latest screed to marvel at its astounding rottenness - in such small doses as I can tolerate. It piques that area of my mind that would be fascinated by witnessing a train wreck, or that causes me to glance aside when there is an accident along the highway, wondering if any injured or dead bodies are visible.
You've given this section of your mind free rein to permeate the rest of your thinking. So be it. At least you have a kind of courage: a boldness to allow yourself, probably against your better judgment, to be taken over by impulses that other people are socialized well enough to repress.
But it's a Faustian bargain. I can't help but imagine that behind your immature proclivity to shock others and act cool, you're miserable in all your vileness.
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*YAWN*. You got a point?
I don't see what's "pro-program" about the original post you're derailing. Every time I post something programmies don't like, your noise starts up.
Miserable? No. I'd be miserable if I had nothing better to do than brood over somebody on the internet...like you. Stay anonymous, and keep your night shift rent-a-cop gig.
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Kevin,
You again prove that you remain in the anal stage of psychosocial development, wanting to shit on others in your toddler-like temper tantrums. I admit the first paragraph was all I read; it was enough almost to make me vomit.
Take a good look in the mirror. You are the mirror image of infantile pro-program fanatics. And just like them, you think you're clever.
Well, keep up the mental masturbation. Your violent fantasies and flippant attacks on others clearly get you off in one sense or another. In fact even I sometimes look forward to opening up your latest screed to marvel at its astounding rottenness - in such small doses as I can tolerate. It piques that area of my mind that would be fascinated by witnessing a train wreck, or that causes me to glance aside when there is an accident along the highway, wondering if any injured or dead bodies are visible.
You've given this section of your mind free rein to permeate the rest of your thinking. So be it. At least you have a kind of courage: a boldness to allow yourself, probably against your better judgment, to be taken over by impulses that other people are socialized well enough to repress.
But it's a Faustian bargain. I can't help but imagine that behind your immature proclivity to shock others and act cool, you're miserable in all your vileness.
Apply it to yourself!!
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if you ask me.
No one did. No one cares. Get over yourself.
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I'd be miserable if I had nothing better to do than brood over somebody on the internet..
Earth to Zen, earth to Zen Agent!!! This is exactly what you are doing with this thread. You went over to Woodbury's website, read through his essays and paste your favorite excerpts over here. Why do you do this? So you can point and laugh and state the obvious with your other anti treatment buddies? Talk about preaching to the choir. It is you who have nothing better to do, than argue with someone who isn't even here!!! If you had some balls you'd call Lon up or go tell him in person, but you just an internet tough guy. You know what Zen, the internet is full of people like you. All bark and no bite!!!
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You know what Zen, the internet is full of people like you. All bark and no bite!!!
Bite me, then.
I thought you never posted anonymously. Tired of trying to be Ms. Nice?
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lol @ "treatment"
I'm thinking... PV staff.
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Wait. I recognize the writing style.
This, my friends, is not Sue Scheff, nor TheWho.
THIS is Anne Hall.
Parents, you really, really don't want to end up like her.
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You know what Zen, the internet is full of people like you. All bark and no bite!!!
Bite me, then.
I thought you never posted anonymously. Tired of trying to be Ms. Nice?
Don't even go where I think you're going!?!!!
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You know CCM, if it's not you, you can just say "That's not me, dipshit." It beats shrill squealing any day of the week.
And if it IS you, that's fucking pathetic, because you seriously sound like Anne Hall.
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My comment was directed at the anonymous poster and the anonymous poster only. They know what I mean.
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ZenAgent is a moderator at fornits which means he can see your IP address. He doesn't like program survivors and threatens them using the information he gets through his moderator powers and by lying to people. He posted the names of a program survivor and her husband. When asked why, he says he posted it because TheWho asked him for it, adding that he could have included more of her information, including arrest record.
What kind of person pays to look up an arrest record of a program survivor on a program survivor message board, and threatens to release it publicly? ZenAgent is nothing but bad news, if you ask me.
Again, notice the blanks...I could have added last name, address, phone number, arrest record... I left all that blank, too.
Once again: who asked for it, I gave it. Weasel!
This is what ZenAgent says about a program survivor who spent 4 years in programs, who posts on a program survivor board talking about their experience.
PMS girll is a vile, pitiless beast, but if she's confronted for gross bitchery, she whines about being a program survivor. I've never known the goblin girl to do anything more than spew negativity and take cheap shots.
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No wonder so few survivors post here anymore, with moderators like this guy.
*We would like to note that we did exact revenge on ZA by posting his wife's name, address and phone number. We also stalked his step-daughter on the internet in order to obtain photographs that we thought were unflattering. In a very adult fashion we anonymously posted these on Fornits repeatedly along with fore mentioned personal info.
We believe this was a fair and reasonable way to get back at ZA, and many Fornits readers agree with us.
It is important that readers who come to Fornits seeking helpful information know that we are a caring and sensitive poster whose duty is to keep a bon vivant like Zen Agent from rubbing salt into the wounds of program survivors.
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*We would like to note that we did exact revenge on ZA by posting his wife's name, address and phone number. We also stalked his step-daughter on the internet in order to obtain photographs that we thought were unflattering. In a very adult fashion we anonymously posted these on Fornits repeatedly along with fore mentioned personal info.
We believe this was a fair and reasonable way to get back at ZA, and many Fornits readers agree with us.
It is important that readers who come to Fornits seeking helpful information know that we are a caring and sensitive poster whose duty is to keep a bon vivant like Zen Agent from rubbing salt into the wounds of program survivors.
WE would like to note that you're the only one who gives a shit about this. The rest of US know that Zen is a decent guy who stood up like a man and removed his step daughter from an abusive program and now advocates to keep or get others out.
Now, get back in your mom's basement. Your WOW friends must be missing you by now.
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"Bon vivant"?
I'm an ASCETIC!
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http://www.familyrightsassociation.com/ (http://www.familyrightsassociation.com/)
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That is...something. AFRA operates on the assumption that parents are flawless, and sexual abuse by parents never happens. Are the kids becoming pathological liars, or are the parents more decadent and depraved?
CPS steps in, doesn't care a thing about the truth and destroys both parents so the spoiled rotten brat can destroy her life.
My advice to parents: Just let them go. They have the insane CPS and Militant Feminism on their side.
I've heard similar logic before: If life at home is so miserable that the kid invents abuse charges, the kid needs to let the parent go. Get the hell away.
You could change the wording a bit in that quote:
A program steps in, doesn't care a thing about the truth and destroys both parents so the spoiled rotten brat can destroy her life.
My advice to kids: Just get away. They have the insane troubled teen industry and paraprofessional mental health "pros" on their side.
Did you see the C.S. lewis Quote?
"Of all tyrannies a tyranny sincerely exercised for the good of its victim may be the most oppressive. It may be better to live under robber barons than under omnipotent moral busy- bodies.
The robber baron’s cruelty may sometimes sleep, his cupidity may at some point be satiated, but those who torment us for our own good will torment us without end for they do so with the approval of their own conscience." -- C. S. Lewis (1898-1963), British novelist
I guess it's all in your interpretation.
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You know CCM, if it's not you, you can just say "That's not me, dipshit." It beats shrill squealing any day of the week.
And if it IS you, that's fucking pathetic, because you seriously sound like Anne Hall.
Hi. Your story is that you never posted ccmgirl’s info as an extension of your unjustified bullying. Try to play your character consistently.
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You know CCM, if it's not you, you can just say "That's not me, dipshit." It beats shrill squealing any day of the week.
And if it IS you, that's fucking pathetic, because you seriously sound like Anne Hall.
Hi. Your story is that you never posted ccmgirl’s info as an extension of your unjustified bullying. Try to play your character consistently.
Bitch much, FAT ASS?
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You know CCM, if it's not you, you can just say "That's not me, dipshit." It beats shrill squealing any day of the week.
And if it IS you, that's fucking pathetic, because you seriously sound like Anne Hall.
Hi. Your story is that you never posted ccmgirl’s info as an extension of your unjustified bullying. Try to play your character consistently.
Bitch much, FAT ASS?
Challenging point. My “ass” is “fat.” And, lemee’ guess… I live in a trailer?...I’m a fag and whore?
I enjoy the internet, and the view it provides of people I assumed were too shamelessly stupid to actually exist. It’s like a National Geographic that focuses on the moronically evil
Keep on posting survivor’s personal info, and insulting anyone who had a problem with that.
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What About the Parents?
In this worst-case scenario, parents would lose the options now provided from the parent-choice network, and in reality, would have almost no options in the matter of residential placement when needed for their own child. In this scenario, responsibility would be taken from parents and turned back to "professionals".
Lon describes this as a "worst-case scenario"? Taking responsibility out of the hands of parents who want to "warehouse" their kids and Ed Cons motivated by profit like Sue Scheff (and Lon) sounds like a good start. I guess the parents could still hire an industry-stooge "independent professional" to accommodate their wishes.
I'm familiar with one parent who angrily told an evaluation team at a hospital he didn't care if their diagnosis didn't show the need for residential treatment, he wanted an RTC and he was going to place his kid in one regardless of professional opinion because his family had the money to make it happen.
And he got his wish, despite a diagnosis stating there was no need for an RTC. Within 1200 miles and two hours by air, his kid had gone from not requiring residential treatment following a twenty day evaluation to absolutely requiring it upon arrival at an RTC before any tests had been done. Within a day, the RTC team had cooked up the usual ODD/Borderline Personality Traits and set up a year's worth of treatment for cash payments. Easy money, and the RTC never bothered to look at the records from any previous treatment.
What About the Parents?
In general, the more options parents have to choose from, the better choices they are likely to make. This is part of what in this country we call freedom, that is, as some have stated in other issues, "Freedom is choice!"
What about the kids' right to freedom and choice? A little due process, an outsider to evaluate the parental choices being made about their lives? Woodbury believes the ability to pay gains "more options". There are many stories of parents "using" the industry for their own selfish needs, to protect themselves from criminal charges of abuse, etc., and plenty of Ed Cons profiting from offering options and enabling parents to make "choices" that benefit the parent to the detriment of the child.
"What about the parents?" is a good question. Woodbury's answer is illogical, profit motivated, typical industry spin.
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