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Treatment Abuse, Behavior Modification, Thought Reform => The Troubled Teen Industry => Topic started by: Anonymous on July 10, 2008, 11:03:21 PM
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Hi all, Im a survivor of one of the hellholes that gets talked about on here a lot. I don't know if this ever happened to anyone, but I got intimate with someone of the same sex while we were in the program together, and I've been gay ever since! I think the program may have been the main cause this shift in my sex preference. I just caN'T get it up for women anymore! Can someone here relate?
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you didnt turn gay, you were always and will forever be a fagot.
prisoners turn gay temporarily then revert back to hetereosexuality upon release. if youre not back to liking women, then i'm sorry, youre a perma-fag now.
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What Loly are trying to say in some nice words is that whyle some cannot suppress their urge for intimate relationships while being detained, a person permanent sexual orientation is not something you can create. It is in the genes.
Preventing contact between the sexes can be dangerous enough. All have properly heard about sexual abuse in prisons. Of course this can happen in a single sex school also.
In our Continuation Schools (http://http://www.secretprisonsforteens.dk/fornitswiki/index.php/Category:Continuation_schools_in_Denmark) sex is of course forbidden at the school and because the only consequense allowed is being expelled a lot of teenagers have been expelled for either a confirmed sexual intercourse, but also for being up after lights out or in a room alone with a member of the opposite sex. However, all the schools have only 1 to 5 weekends where it is mandatory to remain at the school and it is very accepted for parents to agree to have a girlfriend or boyfriend home for at weekend with their offspring so the pressure can be taken off reducing the risk of their offspring to be expelled.
I dont think that the program made you gay. I would claim that it properly increased the risk for you having prostate cancer longterm as stated by an Australian research team, if they had rules about preventing mastrubation. I would also claim that you were placed in a increased risk of being abused by other members of your sex, who had a stronger need for sex. But the program did not make you gay. You had it in you all along. There is no problem about that. Enjoy your partner.
Regards
Dr. Geil
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Dr. Geil -
Waar kom jij uit van daan?
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Dr. Geil -
Waar kom jij uit van daan?
I am born in a town called Cul de Sac on the island called Sint Maarten (located near the Island Aruba known from the Dr. Phil show)
I moved to Philipsburg and lived some year in Neatherland for education before I returned home. I worked some years in my hometown before an old friend from college called me with a job-offer here on Jamaica where I counsel youth in our "Family Bonding Program".
My main concern regarding youth and their approach in the love games is that they are not happy with themselves. I believe that we all have a unique body. We should be happy about yourselves. Sex is not dirty, but we should not be pushed across our limits.
I have seen a lot of young people, who have been pushed to far when they have their first partner. It damages their self-esteem and they begin to hate their body. Some therapists contribute to this hate by condemning sexual relationships all together.
But while leaving the "comfort zone" in some case can bring increased emontional growth it is NOT the case regarding sex. If you take a child, NO possible benefit can come from introducing this child to sex too early.
Children have sexual experiences at a very young age. Most boys loose their virginity to "Virgin Left Hand" and some girls spend the morning robbing their bodies against the bedpost. That is their world. It is not to be discussed or commented by the parents. As long as they are doing things alone, it should remain their business.
So parents please: Don't comment and let them live their lives. Discuss and accept relationships when it is time, so the kids know that they can come to you as a parent without you condemning them.
Sometime I receive people who have been molested by the opposite sex. For some they can never engage in a normal relationship. But in order to have a life close to the standard others have, they can choose either to satisfy themselves with various techniques using toys or not. They can also choose a partner of the same sex. It does not matter which choice they choose. As long as they can live happy productive lives being happy about their body and themselves, it is fine.
I hope that answers your question.
Regards
Dr. Geil
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Goed zo. Begrip je wel.
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dutch people are cool. dutch people who work at tranquility bay are most definitely NOT cool.
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This thread is gay.
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This thread is gay.
:D
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dutch people are cool. dutch people who work at tranquility bay are most definitely NOT cool.
Hopefully he doesn't work there.
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dutch people are cool. dutch people who work at tranquility bay are most definitely NOT cool.
I don't work at TB. If google my name and "Jamaica" you will learn where I work.
We use dog cages, stone circles and O.P in our family bonding program, but only with parents present as a kind of roleplay. Opposite most programs we believe that our methods, which are harsh should be of such standard that a parent can stand and watch them. No program should hide anything from the parents. The risk of ending up with child abuse is simply too high. We always supply the parent with a stop-word, so the therapy can be stopped when the parent believe that we have gone too far. General speaking there is no such thing as a trouble child. There are some children being set up to fail due to the destructive pattern in the family. Having family present in a simplified setting accelerate the process ten-fold.
Even such a populist like Dr. Phil do have to accept that the troubled child is not the problem. See this show: Can This Family Be Saved? (http://http://www.drphil.com/shows/show/1106). Same problems as Kimberlee Ramsey had - see this show: Runaway Dramas (http://http://drphil.com/shows/show/752/), but two different solutions was offered. While Kimberlee ended up in the desert at Aspen Achievement Academy clearly the mother wasn't involved enough, because once returned to the home, Kimberlee ran again. The mother of Caysha (the new show) was grilled by the doctor and she had to confess that her lifestyle did contribute to the behavior of the child. The conclusion was that there was absolutely no need for the child to be removed from the home. I suspect that the good doctor (If we do believe deep inside that he has some knowledge of his profession) did know that the best solution for Kimberlee was to fix the parents but the sponsors wanted the other solution.
We have a person posing as parent on this board known as "TheWho". I would like to have him answering these two questions:
1) Do you believe that a program can alter the sexual preferences at a person?
2) Did you as a parent change something at yourselves or your lifestyle as part of the preparation for your child returning home?
Regards
Dr. Geil
BTW. Some emailed me about me studying in Neatherland because they have a fine University on the Island. The answer is that my studies were disturbed by a vulcano. It is not a joke. They had to move our campus and use some temp. buildings. It was chaos, so I moved across the Atlantic to get on with my life. It was hard but I managed.
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PS. Don't make fun of my name. I know that the English translation of my name is fun for some, but not for me.
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"we use dog cages in the family bonding room"
wow, how reassuring.
can i ask you a question?
Are the kids you deal with americans, europeans, or jamaicans?
if you're treating americans or europeans, why dont you move to america or europe? rules about abuse too strict there?
get the fuck off this board dr gay.
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"we use dog cages in the family bonding room"
wow, how reassuring.
can i ask you a question?
Are the kids you deal with americans, europeans, or jamaicans?
if you're treating americans or europeans, why dont you move to america or europe? rules about abuse too strict there?
get the fuck off this board dr gay.
I know first hand that the program methods are somewhat unorthodox. Role playing in therapy pushes you very far. I for sure came way to close to my limits. It took me days to figure out that I was in rehab. Somehow I was and still am surprised that these methods in fact were genuine professionel treatment approaches in a lot of programs.
However, in the end they saved my life. I know that stating this is a phrase, but that's how I feel it.
I have only good things to say about Dr. Geil.
I am no author but here is a few words about my journey (http://http://www.asstr.org/~JensenDenmark/nightvisit.htm) and my meeting with Dr. Geil.
Love
Ann
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"in the end they saved my life"
sounds awfully simmilar to
"if it wasnt for Program X, i'd be deadinsaneorinjail"
Wow, it took you a few days to figure out you were in rehab? are you stupid or did you take jimson weed?
by your story, youre a bona-fide retardimaicated un-edumicated brainwashee. CONGRADULATIONS!
anyone who can claim that someone like you, with your backround, actually deserved such a treatment, is a fucking retard.
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I think we can all be honest with each other and agree that the downside of this program is obvious. “Ann Nur P. Hantasie" had a difficult and somewhat traumatic time there. But putting all that aside it is incredible that merely by stripping away all the unnecessary fluff that is usually associated with 1 to 2 year programs this place was able to turn this child around in under 2 weeks. Another positive is that the family was involved in the initial transition into the “Jungle Therapy” program. The rest of the family could leverage this opportunity into a family vacation and all return home together thereby appearing that there was never a family problem. The cost savings must be tremendous…. This place is definitely worth a closer look.
Thanks for sharing, Ann.
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ABSOLUTE PROOF that TheWho doesn't know, or care about, the difference between truth and fiction.
Programmies generally can't tell the difference between reality and fantasy. That's why they're programmies.
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ABSOLUTE PROOF that TheWho doesn't know, or care about, the difference between truth and fiction.
Programmies generally can't tell the difference between reality and fantasy. That's why they're programmies.
Ha,Ha,Ha, Gotcha!! Inner Fantasy errr (“Ann Nur P. Hantasie").... go back and read it again!!!
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ABSOLUTE PROOF that TheWho doesn't know, or care about, the difference between truth and fiction.
Programmies generally can't tell the difference between reality and fantasy. That's why they're programmies.
Ha,Ha,Ha, Gotcha!! Inner Fantasy errr (“Ann Nur P. Hantasie").... go back and read it again!!!
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What does the german word Geil mean in English? I am on holiday and the dictionary is at home.
George.
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Horny
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ABSOLUTE PROOF that TheWho doesn't know, or care about, the difference between truth and fiction.
Programmies generally can't tell the difference between reality and fantasy. That's why they're programmies.
Blank Space, you bring up a valid point, not all the stories here are based on fact and we need to take the posts here with a grain of salt and try to sort out what is real and what is not.
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Fictive contra reality
Yes, most stories should be fiction and in fact the BDSM society should be the only place for request groups, cages, restraint jackets, heavily use of the paddle, O.P, Stone circles etc. and all the other methods we know the existence of.
No child should be robbed of the safety of their own bed.
But the world doesn't function like that and that's why the BDSM society can use this industry as inspiration. Ironicly and unethical the parents can satify themselves while reading about the same treatment they put their children through in order to "save" them. They can hire people to treat their children in a way that they would arrested for if they did it themselves. All in the name of treatment. I hope that the parents will activate their brains once they read the stories and pull their children, but my hopes is not very high.
We know that a lot of pedofiles have closed groups where they take their own children to live a friends. The TV-documentary "Who is watching the Kids" did also tell the story of how a father paid a facility to program the child to forget what he had done and hide her from the authorities. Being placed in the situation where the children is being waken by strangers in their room, what can assure these kids that they are in fact going to treatment and not to be victims of child-abuse? Nothing!
It would be easy for the industry to establish a business like the Family Bonding program (http://http://www.geocities.com/meditationinlet/mi_fbp.htm). As TheWho so perfectly stated it would reduce the risk that the family would have to explain to family, neighbors and the local shool that they had failed and had to choose residential treatment. In fact a firm offers to come to the home - In home Boot camp with Raymond Moses - 900$ for three days (http://http://www.aboutfacebootcamp.com/pricing.shtml). So if you as a parent built a high fench around your property, your kids can be "fixed" in less than a week without anyone knowing.
The original question - can being gay be programmed
I have to say no, but in fact the question is more than 200 years old.
Still referring to something Danish I have to remind you of the story made by the Danish author H.C. Andersen (http://http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/H._C._Andersen) - so beutiful and realistic played by Danny Kaye. We are talking about the story about the ugly duckling, who turns into a swan. His message is that you are what you were born as regardless of how much you are tormented through the upbringing.
But his views are challeged by another famous Danish author Henrik Pontoppidan, who wrote the story about an eagle growing up in a chickenyard. The eagle do in fact fly in the end but give up and return to the chickenyard where it is gunned down because the humans believe that it was hunting. Here the message is that you are highly influenced by the way you have lived during the upbringing.
So while H.C. Andersen in this case would claim what being gay is something that is a fact by the birth. Pontoppidan would state that it is due to the stay in the program.