Fornits
Treatment Abuse, Behavior Modification, Thought Reform => The Troubled Teen Industry => Topic started by: Anonymous on July 07, 2008, 05:40:41 PM
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http://www.encyclopediadramatica.com/Sue_Scheff (http://www.encyclopediadramatica.com/Sue_Scheff)
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page kicks ass....other than the jew stuff. no need for antisemetism.
one time i tried to do something on ED regarding len buccelato. I called him a fagot (that he is) multiple times, and never inculded any antisemetic remarks. the page got deleted becouse it was "innapropriate, homophobic and not funny".
so i take it the people who run ED are antisemetic fagots. how ironic.
lets have a fagocide. wouldnt that be fun?
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Many people pick up the same sentiment that you have, especially first time readers. It is an interesting character study that is very consistent and repeats itself over and over here. These hate sites get a lot of support here on fornits, even a few of the admins think they are funny. It seems to be acceptable on one hand to isolate and abuse an entire segment of the population by posting anti-Semitic, anti-black etc. material under the guise of parody and free speech. No one ever steps up to speak out against it here. But then when the topic turns towards themselves being abused it is a whole different outlook. All of a sudden they struggle to find any humor in it at all!! They want justice and regulation put into place but never see the double standard they themselves set into play and wonder why their voices are ineffective or why they were overlooked by groups trying to effect change in the industry like George Millers panel as an example. We cant survive effectively being a society which turns a blind eye to one type of abuse and fights for the elimination of another. We need to practice respect for everyones rights and dignity, children, adults, blacks, jews, Christians alike in order to effectively win the battle. The sooner everyone sees this the sooner change will start to take place.
Fornits just isn’t there yet in my opinion.
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I'm goin' down to South Park
Gonna have myself a time.
Friendly faces everywhere
Humble folks without temptation.
Goin' down to South Park
Gonna leave my woes behind.
Ample parking day or night
People shouting Howdy Neighbor
Heading on up to South Park.
Gonna see if I can't unwind
I like girls with big fat titties, I like girls with big vaginas (this is really what he says...know you know why you can't understand it)
Come on down to South Park and meet some friends of mine.
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Many people pick up the same sentiment that you have, especially first time readers. It is an interesting character study that is very consistent and repeats itself over and over here. These hate sites get a lot of support here on fornits, even a few of the admins think they are funny. It seems to be acceptable on one hand to isolate and abuse an entire segment of the population by posting anti-Semitic, anti-black etc. material under the guise of parody and free speech. No one ever steps up to speak out against it here. But then when the topic turns towards themselves being abused it is a whole different outlook. All of a sudden they struggle to find any humor in it at all!! They want justice and regulation put into place but never see the double standard they themselves set into play and wonder why their voices are ineffective or why they were overlooked by groups trying to effect change in the industry like George Millers panel as an example. We cant survive effectively being a society which turns a blind eye to one type of abuse and fights for the elimination of another. We need to practice respect for everyones rights and dignity, children, adults, blacks, jews, Christians alike in order to effectively win the battle. The sooner everyone sees this the sooner change will start to take place.
Fornits just isn’t there yet in my opinion.
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You are a ponderous twat, aren't you? You're like a Candiru, the parasitic South American fish that burrows it's way up the urethra and lodges itself there with bony spines. Agonizing. The only way to get rid of a Candiru is to cut the johnson off. That's what you are, who - a nasty little parasitic fish stuck in the jimmy of Fornits. Rather than cut the cock off, we'll just piss around you.
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Many people pick up the same sentiment that you have, especially first time readers. It is an interesting character study that is very consistent and repeats itself over and over here. These hate sites get a lot of support here on fornits, even a few of the admins think they are funny. It seems to be acceptable on one hand to isolate and abuse an entire segment of the population by posting anti-Semitic, anti-black etc. material under the guise of parody and free speech. No one ever steps up to speak out against it here. But then when the topic turns towards themselves being abused it is a whole different outlook. All of a sudden they struggle to find any humor in it at all!! They want justice and regulation put into place but never see the double standard they themselves set into play and wonder why their voices are ineffective or why they were overlooked by groups trying to effect change in the industry like George Millers panel as an example. We cant survive effectively being a society which turns a blind eye to one type of abuse and fights for the elimination of another. We need to practice respect for everyones rights and dignity, children, adults, blacks, jews, Christians alike in order to effectively win the battle. The sooner everyone sees this the sooner change will start to take place.
Fornits just isn’t there yet in my opinion.
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agreed. but keep in mind congressman miller's panel would not exist, nor would the people who testified had been there if it wasnt for fornits. he may not mention the site, for fear of media backlash becouse of the obvious offensive material conatained here, but i can guarentee you 100%, i know for a fact, that G. Miller reads fornits regularly, along with the investigators working for him. this is one of their uncited inside sources (like anon tipsters).
Although fornits, and other free-speech dissent groups online and off get little media attention, they are crucial for the spread of dissent. they are the larvae (the ugly caterpillar), and the government response is the butterfly. neither exists without the other. like the chicken and the egg, which came first?
i for one, would not have and could not have prevented the dozens of kids who's parents i came in contact with from sending their kids away without fornits, despite fornits. (and myspace can get an honerable mention in the process too)
fool.
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Agreed. but keep in mind congressman miller's panel would not exist, nor would the people who testified had been there if it wasnt for fornits. he may not mention the site, for fear of media backlash becouse of the obvious offensive material conatained here, but i can guarentee you 100%, i know for a fact, that G. Miller reads fornits regularly, along with the investigators working for him. this is one of their uncited inside sources (like anon tipsters).
Although fornits, and other free-speech dissent groups online and off get little media attention, they are crucial for the spread of dissent. they are the larvae (the ugly caterpillar), and the government response is the butterfly. neither exists without the other. like the chicken and the egg, which came first?
And free speech is an important part of it and yes I believe and actually know that many people read this site often to get a feel for what the buzz is. But the language diminishes the message….. any story which uses the phrases: inmates, prison, gulags, torture etc. dilutes the story and the reader translates the facts with a grain of salt. If you compare the way the parents of the victims at Millers hearing spoke compared with the language here on fornits I think you will see what I mean. If someone stated they were abused and tortured by their prison guards at ASR I think we all would envision a spoiled kid who defines abuse as being refused a broader choice of salad dressing at dinner time. Whereas if someone described their school more accurately and indicated that staff members routinely forced kids to run laps in 90+ degree heat even though written procedures forbid this activity I think we would see many kids accounts take more seriously. But most of the stories here take on the tone of “Lets get even with our parents (or staff member who we hated) and paint the most dismal picture possible of the f***ing places to get peoples attention, lets rattle the F***ing cages!!!” Most readers see right thru this and take it as a non event or just some angry teen who was forced to do their homework or held accountable for the first time in their life.
i for one, would not have and could not have prevented the dozens of kids who's parents i came in contact with from sending their kids away without fornits, despite fornits. (and myspace can get an honerable mention in the process too)
fool.
But see, sitting back under your umbrella on the porch and relishing in the fact that you prevented a child from entering a program is a hollow victory. You have done nothing to solve the problem. The family is still in turmoil and the child isn’t getting the help he/she needs.
There needs to be an effort to solve the issue and get to root cause. Granted that some kids are placed without good cause. But the majority of kids who attend the programs need help and by just putting up a road block without providing alternate solutions is more dangerous than placing a child unnecessarily.
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Thanks for the traffic!
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But see, sitting back under your umbrella on the porch and relishing in the fact that you prevented a child from entering a program is a hollow victory. You have done nothing to solve the problem. The family is still in turmoil and the child isn’t getting the help he/she needs.
There needs to be an effort to solve the issue and get to root cause. Granted that some kids are placed without good cause. But the majority of kids who attend the programs need help and by just putting up a road block without providing alternate solutions is more dangerous than placing a child unnecessarily.
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IT's not anyone's job but a therapists and the parents to straighten out the kid. It should not be up to me, sue scheff, you, etc what parents of a troubled child should do. all we can do is steer them in the right direction, or in my case, steer them away from the wrong direction.
You want to solve the root of the problem? create parental licenses and mandatory parenting classes. people not fit to have kids should not have kids. people who think that smoking a little pot and doing badly at school constitutes a troubled child should be re-educated. religious bias within families should likewise be abolished federally. But that's unethical and impossible.
so what's the solution?
make parents deal with their own mistakes, and prevent others from capitalizing on those mistakes. if they cant, that sucks for them. the kid will end up good or bad regardless of what you try to do. thats life. that's evolution. the strongest and fittest succed in life, while the weak fail. people have to quit trying to instill this artifical sense of self-worth in all the kids and their parents who are in fact Human trash.
alot of the kids i met at various programs are doomed to fail. they are fucked up regardless of what you try to do or help them with. those kids need to learn their lessons on their own.
Others can swing either way. how they do depends on their environment and opprotunities. they stumble around and make mistakes in their teen years, but that is no reason to get sent away. parents of these kids are over-reactive. the kind that think one joint equals a life of heroin addiction. the parents of these kids are responsible single-handedly for the success or lack of success of their kids.
Most of the kids at the programs are good kids that dont need a program. they need something called LIFE EXPERIENCE. you dont get that at programs. they give a false, highly censored experience usually modeled after the program founder's/director's view of reality.
so in the end, there is no need for programs. There still is a need for inpatient rehabs and psychiatric hospitals, along with short-term RTC's for court ordered nonviolent juvenile offenders. programs like those run by NATSAP and WWASPS along with others have no legitimate place in this society. please stop trying to make it look like these programs deserve a ligitimate spot in this society, culture, and economy. they dont.
100 years ago, did they send "bad kids" to programs? no. they didnt need to. the kids learned on their own, or they lived a short, unpleasant life, just like their parents, or they join the army where they get straightened out. there was no need for programs for millions of years, there is no need for programs now.
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make parents deal with their own mistakes, and prevent others from capitalizing on those mistakes.
and what, i know you might ask, is so bad about capitalizing on parent's mistakes? because it always[/i] unnecessarily victimizes the kid caught in the process. people have the inherent right to live free and not be victimized and harassed, regardless of age. that is a central principal upon which this country (U.S) was founded.
at least i have the decency to not call you a terrorist, thewho...........
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IT's not anyone's job but a therapists and the parents to straighten out the kid. It should not be up to me, sue scheff, you, etc what parents of a troubled child should do. all we can do is steer them in the right direction, or in my case, steer them away from the wrong direction.
Its everyones job when it comes to children. Anyone who can make a positive affect be it a teacher, uncle parent or friend.
You want to solve the root of the problem? create parental licenses and mandatory parenting classes. people not fit to have kids should not have kids. people who think that smoking a little pot and doing badly at school constitutes a troubled child should be re-educated. religious bias within families should likewise be abolished federally. But that's unethical and impossible.
Education always has a positive effect, I can agree with that.
so what's the solution?
make parents deal with their own mistakes, and prevent others from capitalizing on those mistakes. if they cant, that sucks for them. the kid will end up good or bad regardless of what you try to do. thats life. that's evolution. the strongest and fittest succed in life, while the weak fail. people have to quit trying to instill this artifical sense of self-worth in all the kids and their parents who are in fact Human trash.
I think everyone needs to be held accountable for their mistakes. If it is the parents, the child or an extended family member. The main thing is that the child gets the help he/she needs. If the child isn’t responding via local services or at home then we shouldn’t throw in the towel. The main focus should be to get the child the help they need.
alot of the kids i met at various programs are doomed to fail. they are fucked up regardless of what you try to do or help them with. those kids need to learn their lessons on their own.
I disagree. I think anyone can be reached if we just work hard enough and have enough patience.
Others can swing either way. how they do depends on their environment and opprotunities. they stumble around and make mistakes in their teen years, but that is no reason to get sent away. parents of these kids are over-reactive. the kind that think one joint equals a life of heroin addiction. the parents of these kids are responsible single-handedly for the success or lack of success of their kids.
Some kids can get thru it on their own but there are a few who need extra help. Sometimes the parents are responsible, sometimes not, but the kids need to learn to pick up the slack and the only way they can do this is with help and guidance.
Most of the kids at the programs are good kids that dont need a program. they need something called LIFE EXPERIENCE. you dont get that at programs. they give a false, highly censored experience usually modeled after the program founder's/director's view of reality.
You have been misled here.
so in the end, there is no need for programs. There still is a need for inpatient rehabs and psychiatric hospitals, along with short-term RTC's for court ordered nonviolent juvenile offenders. programs like those run by NATSAP and WWASPS along with others have no legitimate place in this society. please stop trying to make it look like these programs deserve a ligitimate spot in this society, culture, and economy. they dont.
They are already successful and working well. I am not trying to make any schools/programs look good or bad. They are what they are and the kids who graduate speak for how successful they are not me.
100 years ago, did they send "bad kids" to programs? no. they didnt need to. the kids learned on their own, or they lived a short, unpleasant life, just like their parents, or they join the army where they get straightened out. there was no need for programs for millions of years, there is no need for programs now.
100 years ago they sent kids away. They just didn’t call them programs… homes for boys or Aunt Marthas farm (wilderness)… different name different era.
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and what, i know you might ask, is so bad about capitalizing on parent's mistakes? because it always[/i] unnecessarily victimizes the kid caught in the process. people have the inherent right to live free and not be victimized and harassed, regardless of age. that is a central principal upon which this country (U.S) was founded.
at least i have the decency to not call you a terrorist, thewho...........
You have jumped to a conclusion that the children are in trouble due to a single mistake or a mistake by the parents. It is not that easy. Sometimes it is a childs mistake, and uncles, a parents… but it is not the time to point fingers, it doesn’t help. While the child is getting the help he/she needs the family can focus on what changes they can make to affect the rest of the siblings and create a better atmosphere for the child when they get home.
Parents who are seeking input from others to seek solutions are not trying to victimize or harass anyone. It would be just the opposite. If the goal was harassment or victimization the child could be just ignored or tossed into the street.
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I listened to the parent's congressional testimony and the first thing that came to my mind is this - - one kid was taken to a wilderness program under false pretexts, one went willingly and the other was taken by force. Of these three kids, one didn't even make it through the first day. The second died by suicide within a week and the third succumbed after nearly a month of torturous abuse and neglect. Yet we are supposed to believe by these parents testimony that wilderness therapy, if federally regulated, is a safe and effective treatment modality? Pffft --- more kids have died in Utah's strictly regulated WT programs than any other proving regulation, in and of itself, is not the answer. Shame on everyone involved in this travesty. The false sense of security invoked by this crap piece of legislation is already working to put more children than ever at risk and orgs like CAFETY who played a big role in facilitating this dog and pony show want us to celebrate? GMAFB.
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Hi everyone,
I just wanted to say this thread is going great. I'm glad I started it.
The O.P.
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Cut the crappola Who. You are a parent who outsourced the raising of your child to an industry that couldn't make a dime without enabling parents to blame their kid for their own lousy parenting skills. I don't care how many DX you claim your child has/had to justify institutionalizing them. Just telling your parents to fuck off is defined as a "conduct disorder" rather than normal teenage behavior that in the old days might get a kid grounded for a week, not locked up for a year or more of behavior modification. You make me ill. Go post on Cafety with the other program apologists and sell out survivors.
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Cut the crappola Who. You are a parent who outsourced the raising of your child to an industry that couldn't make a dime without enabling parents to blame their kid for their own lousy parenting skills. I don't care how many DX you claim your child has/had to justify institutionalizing them. Just telling your parents to fuck off is defined as a "conduct disorder" rather than normal teenage behavior that in the old days might get a kid grounded for a week, not locked up for a year or more of behavior modification. You make me ill. Go post on Cafety with the other program apologists and sell out survivors.
Any parent reading this, the above post is a classic response from a kid who screwed up at home and screwed up again and never finished the program he was in and will be forever in limbo blaming his parents and every school he attended for his screwed up life. It irks him to hear about the kids who graduated and are doing fine and reunited with their families.
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Its everyones job when it comes to children. Anyone who can make a positive affect be it a teacher, uncle parent or friend.
No, its not everyone's job. Its the PARENT'S job. It's be nice to have extended family and friends help, but they can't solve the problem(s). It's not the job of teachers to teach life lessons or 'character building'. It's the PARENT'S job.
Most of the kids at the programs are good kids that dont need a program. they need something called LIFE EXPERIENCE. you dont get that at programs. they give a false, highly censored experience usually modeled after the program founder's/director's view of reality.
Soooooooo, so true!!!!!!
so in the end, there is no need for programs. There still is a need for inpatient rehabs and psychiatric hospitals, along with short-term RTC's for court ordered nonviolent juvenile offenders. programs like those run by NATSAP and WWASPS along with others have no legitimate place in this society. please stop trying to make it look like these programs deserve a ligitimate spot in this society, culture, and economy. they dont.
Yes, yes and YES!
They are already successful and working well.
Ummm, care to cite any sources on that opinion of yours?
100 years ago they sent kids away. They just didn’t call them programs… homes for boys or Aunt Marthas farm (wilderness)… different name different era.
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Yep. Ever see Sleepers? They were just as dangerous psychologically, for the same reasons. You can't force or coerce 'therapy' without doing damage. First, do no harm.
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http://www.encyclopediadramatica.com/Sue_Scheff (http://www.encyclopediadramatica.com/Sue_Scheff)
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Any parent reading this, the above post is a classic response from a kid who screwed up at home and screwed up again and never finished the program he was in and will be forever in limbo blaming his parents and every school he attended for his screwed up life. It irks him to hear about the kids who graduated and are doing fine and reunited with their families.
Out of the 30 or so kids that graduated HLA with me, only a handful are doing relatively well, (as in only four, including myself). And i'm doing well not because of HLA, but despite HLA. i still smoke tons of weed, but i get great grades, and am going to law school soon. my parents grew up to the fact that they cant control my life, only support it, and that's exactly what they do, regardless of if they think I'm doing something right or wrong. I've rid my mind of HLA's brainwashing to great benefit. I can tell you actually that HLA's program creates the exact opposite of what a good lawyer should be, it instills all the bad habits. it's been alot of work trying to overcome those negative habits (like not arguing, and submitting to anything an elder says)
Most of the other kids that i know either got pregnant, became wannabe pornstars, got sent to jail, joined the armed forces, had a sex change, got into hard drugs, or got married before they even turned 20, never went to college and are now stereotypical white trash. the ones who went to college, they are (take a wild guess) BINGE DRINKING ALCOHOLICS. why? because HLA never taught them responsible drinking, they taught them how to be alcoholics. they never were alcoholics before HLA, only after. I am posting in their defense. they are tortured individuals who are torn between what they truly know is right in their guts, and what they were ingrained to think is right by HLA. if they didn't have the negative influence of HLA, they would not be where they are now, i can guarantee it without a single doubt.
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By the way, who, you make "throwing in the towel" seem like such a bad bad thing.
you missed my point:
TIME TAKES IT'S COURSE.
most of the kids dont need help. they need time to grow up.
parents often dont realize that what they thing is "wrong" is in fact very normal.
take for example, homosexuality. Plenty of programs claim to "cure" it. now, are you going to say that homosexuality is a "problem"?
smoking weed: a recent newsweek article stated that 40% of americans smoked weed in their lifetime, 6% of americans still smoke it regularly. of the 40% that ever smoked weed, something 99% percent picked it up in their teen years and dropped it in their early twenties. take that, "addiction".
hard drugs: there something called an inpatient rehab, along with preventive measures such as actually talking to your kids about the difference between hard and soft drugs, and not blanketing all drugs as bad (which is why many kids dont see the difference between coke and weed, and why many get into coke or other bad drugs)
alcoholism: maybe if the parents were not alcoholics, the kids wouldn't be either. and maybe if the parents had the kid drink some wine or beer at dinner every once in a while, it would eliminate the mystique behind the alcohol, and the kids would not find it as amusing once they have the opportunity to drink alot (hello college or high school binge drinkers turned alcoholics)
and to the kids who just throw tantrums and are "angry" all the time...thats kids being kids. it's also parents doing stuff that pisses the kid off. maybe the parents should start thinking about stopping pissing their kid off constantly, and leave them be.
as i said, proper parenting and time is all that is needed for 99.99% of the cases. you make it seem like every kid with problems in part of that .01 percent of kids that actually need to be sent away.
some kids do need to be sent away, but they are rare. anyone know patrick shin or chyna masteller? that's the two in a million cases that actually need to be sent away.
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Cut the crappola Who. You are a parent who outsourced the raising of your child to an industry that couldn't make a dime without enabling parents to blame their kid for their own lousy parenting skills. I don't care how many DX you claim your child has/had to justify institutionalizing them. Just telling your parents to fuck off is defined as a "conduct disorder" rather than normal teenage behavior that in the old days might get a kid grounded for a week, not locked up for a year or more of behavior modification. You make me ill. Go post on Cafety with the other program apologists and sell out survivors.
Any parent reading this, the above post is a classic response from a kid who screwed up at home and screwed up again and never finished the program he was in and will be forever in limbo blaming his parents and every school he attended for his screwed up life. It irks him to hear about the kids who graduated and are doing fine and reunited with their families.
Classic response from the eternally washed. You've been trained to believe that all criticism of your precious program is from those damn druggies who just couldn't accept the help. Couldn't be that people have regained the critical thinking skills that AARC tried so desperately to crush now, could it?
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Cut the crappola Who. You are a parent who outsourced the raising of your child to an industry that couldn't make a dime without enabling parents to blame their kid for their own lousy parenting skills. I don't care how many DX you claim your child has/had to justify institutionalizing them. Just telling your parents to fuck off is defined as a "conduct disorder" rather than normal teenage behavior that in the old days might get a kid grounded for a week, not locked up for a year or more of behavior modification. You make me ill. Go post on Cafety with the other program apologists and sell out survivors.
Any parent reading this, the above post is a classic response from a kid who screwed up at home and screwed up again and never finished the program he was in and will be forever in limbo blaming his parents and every school he attended for his screwed up life. It irks him to hear about the kids who graduated and are doing fine and reunited with their families.
Classic response from the eternally washed. You've been trained to believe that all criticism of your precious program is from those damn druggies who just couldn't accept the help. Couldn't be that people have regained the critical thinking skills that AARC tried so desperately to crush now, could it?
Woops. AARC/WWASP/STRAIGHT whatever. Slightly different wrapper, same poison.
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the ones who went to college, they are (take a wild guess) BINGE DRINKING ALCOHOLICS. why? because HLA never taught them responsible drinking, they taught them how to be alcoholics. they never were alcoholics before HLA, only after.
This phenomenon is not an isolated instance, by any means. Here are some stats to back what you've said up:
There is also experimental evidence that the A.A. doctrine of powerlessness leads to binge drinking. In a sophisticated controlled study of A.A.'s effectiveness (Brandsma et. al.), court-mandated offenders who had been sent to Alcoholics Anonymous for several months were engaging in FIVE TIMES as much binge drinking as another group of alcoholics who got no treatment at all, and the A.A. group was doing NINE TIMES as much binge drinking as another group of alcoholics who got rational behavior therapy.
Those results are almost unbelievable, but are easy to understand -- when you are drunk, it's easy to rationalize drinking some more by saying,
"Oh well, A.A. says that I'm powerless over alcohol. I can't control it, so there is no sense in trying. I'm doomed, because I already took a drink. I'm screwed, because I already lost all of my sober time. Might as well just relax and enjoy it. Pass that bottle over here, buddy."
It's also easy to rationalize taking the first drink with,
"I'm powerless. I can't help it. The Big Book says that I have no defense against those strange mental blank spots when I'll drink again. Bottoms up!"
[emphasis added]
source (http://http://www.orange-papers.org/orange-effectiveness.html)
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Any parent reading this, the above post is a classic response from a kid who screwed up at home and screwed up again and never finished the program he was in and will be forever in limbo blaming his parents and every school he attended for his screwed up life. It irks him to hear about the kids who graduated and are doing fine and reunited with their families.
Hear, hear!
http://fornits.com/SIBS (http://fornits.com/SIBS)
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By the way, who, you make "throwing in the towel" seem like such a bad bad thing.
you missed my point:
TIME TAKES IT'S COURSE.
most of the kids dont need help. they need time to grow up.
parents often dont realize that what they thing is "wrong" is in fact very normal.
take for example, homosexuality. Plenty of programs claim to "cure" it. now, are you going to say that homosexuality is a "problem"?
smoking weed: a recent newsweek article stated that 40% of americans smoked weed in their lifetime, 6% of americans still smoke it regularly. of the 40% that ever smoked weed, something 99% percent picked it up in their teen years and dropped it in their early twenties. take that, "addiction".
hard drugs: there something called an inpatient rehab, along with preventive measures such as actually talking to your kids about the difference between hard and soft drugs, and not blanketing all drugs as bad (which is why many kids dont see the difference between coke and weed, and why many get into coke or other bad drugs)
alcoholism: maybe if the parents were not alcoholics, the kids wouldn't be either. and maybe if the parents had the kid drink some wine or beer at dinner every once in a while, it would eliminate the mystique behind the alcohol, and the kids would not find it as amusing once they have the opportunity to drink alot (hello college or high school binge drinkers turned alcoholics)
and to the kids who just throw tantrums and are "angry" all the time...thats kids being kids. it's also parents doing stuff that pisses the kid off. maybe the parents should start thinking about stopping pissing their kid off constantly, and leave them be.
as i said, proper parenting and time is all that is needed for 99.99% of the cases. you make it seem like every kid with problems in part of that .01 percent of kids that actually need to be sent away.
some kids do need to be sent away, but they are rare. anyone know patrick shin or chyna masteller? that's the two in a million cases that actually need to be sent away.
Great points made....
I think we agree, not all kids need to be sent away. It is the very small minority (less than 1%) who do not respond at home and need outside help. The majority of the kids just need time to grow and figure stuff out on their own. The key is to not overreact and let the kids make mistakes and work thru these tough social issues on their own…. Most will get thru it okay.
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Oh my God...... The who slithered back in..... I guess he got kicked out of wherever it is that he had been creating mahen and madness and figured he would just come back here to cause more disharmony...
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By the way, who, you make "throwing in the towel" seem like such a bad bad thing.
you missed my point:
TIME TAKES IT'S COURSE.
most of the kids dont need help. they need time to grow up.
parents often dont realize that what they thing is "wrong" is in fact very normal.
take for example, homosexuality. Plenty of programs claim to "cure" it. now, are you going to say that homosexuality is a "problem"?
smoking weed: a recent newsweek article stated that 40% of americans smoked weed in their lifetime, 6% of americans still smoke it regularly. of the 40% that ever smoked weed, something 99% percent picked it up in their teen years and dropped it in their early twenties. take that, "addiction".
hard drugs: there something called an inpatient rehab, along with preventive measures such as actually talking to your kids about the difference between hard and soft drugs, and not blanketing all drugs as bad (which is why many kids dont see the difference between coke and weed, and why many get into coke or other bad drugs)
alcoholism: maybe if the parents were not alcoholics, the kids wouldn't be either. and maybe if the parents had the kid drink some wine or beer at dinner every once in a while, it would eliminate the mystique behind the alcohol, and the kids would not find it as amusing once they have the opportunity to drink alot (hello college or high school binge drinkers turned alcoholics)
and to the kids who just throw tantrums and are "angry" all the time...thats kids being kids. it's also parents doing stuff that pisses the kid off. maybe the parents should start thinking about stopping pissing their kid off constantly, and leave them be.
as i said, proper parenting and time is all that is needed for 99.99% of the cases. you make it seem like every kid with problems in part of that .01 percent of kids that actually need to be sent away.
some kids do need to be sent away, but they are rare. anyone know patrick shin or chyna masteller? that's the two in a million cases that actually need to be sent away.
Great points made....
I think we agree, not all kids need to be sent away. It is the very small minority (less than 1%) who do not respond at home and need outside help. The majority of the kids just need time to grow and figure stuff out on their own. The key is to not overreact and let the kids make mistakes and work thru these tough social issues on their own…. Most will get thru it okay.
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The problem is these "companies" (aka faux treatment centers) are MARKETING to parents to resolve any type of behavior problem. They are even marketing to parents who are seeking help for their children who have been diagnosed with mental disorders. I have even seen them claiming to turn around asperger's (form of autism). There may be children who need and seek outside help. Abusive programs-- all those programs that use behavior modification and persuasive tactics are not the kind of "HELP" these kids need.